Thanks for watching as always! And the comments. I should add With the Pentacon Six the mirror is only down when the camera is in advanced position. If it is not advanced the mirror stays up and the curtain is exposed behind the lens. When I left the camera on top of my bag and not advanced the lens (with no cap on) was pointing up to the sun which burned the pinhole into the curtain. (Like a magnifying glass on paper). It's common on Leica and Fed cameras. If you have a Pentacon Six just be wary of this. Maybe a good practice is to advance the camera after each exposure so the mirror comes down and protects the curtain. Something I will be doing from now on. I hope my error has helped others. ❤
Вот так недоразумение. Но после каждого снятого кадра взводить затвор не очень хорошо, механизм и его пружина будут всегда во взведённом состоянии. А если не понравится сцена, то механизм останется взведённым на долгое время. Остаётся не забывать про эту особенность, ну и пользоваться крышкой объектива🤷♂️
I have a Cycle Poco camera built around 1900. I was intrigued by the "Cycle" in the name, so I did a little research. It turns out that cycling and photography became popular at about the same time. Many early portable cameras were marketed with "Cycle" in the name, intended to be used exactly the way you did in this video. So, looks like cycling and photography have been a "thing" for over 130 years. Love the videos!
The farm implement at 11:13 is a field cultivator. The front teeth are "sweeps" and the springs are a safety mechanism. If the sweeps hook something in the ground, like a rock or root, they fold up and back and the springs reset them. The sweeps come in many different shapes and sizes depending on your soil. The discs behind them basically just even out the furrows they leave. The two things in the back are "rolling basket" cultivators. (You folks across the pond probably have other names for all of this.) This is used for final preparation so that the soil will be ready for planting. There you have it - more useless farming trivia than you probably needed, or even wanted.
I did that with my flash in Africa (equatorial sun in Kenya). I was using a Fresnel lens on the flash unit (Better Beamer) and had the flash lying on the floor of the Land Rover facing upward. It melted the face of my flash unit, though it still works fine. The plastic sleeve that you keep the Fresnel lens in says all over it not to point it at the sun!
I haven't watched the whole video yet or read any other comments, but I'm guessing you burned a hole in the shutter curtain from the sunlight. These cameras don't have quick return mirrors so there is nothing protecting the shutter curtain from sunlight if the lens cap is off.
Great video Roger! I’ve heard of holes getting burned in cloth shutters but have never actually seen it. I will be more careful with my cloth shutter cameras. I’m glad you were able to easily fix it. P.S. I always get a smile from your videos.
Thanks Tom! Appreciate the kind words. With that camera the mirror stays up if it's not advanced. Not everyone will know that. Hopefully the video will stop more burning out.
You’ll have a super strong thumb after a day of using the Pentacon 6, Rog, as there’s a lot of resistance to get over, to pull the film winder fully over to the next frame. That camera is built like a beast and an absolute beast to shoot!
On those cameras like the Kiev 60, pointing the lens towards the sun without having the mirror down is a sure way to burn a nice hole in the cloth shutter. Now, the camera is sure to be due for a full service!
It was the last thing on my mind when thinking how as I usually have the cap on. But the only reason I could logically think of. Then I saw the curtain.
A common problem with all curtain shutter cameras. That's why a SLR camera should always be cocked immediately after shooting in order to let the mirror protect the curtain.
If you can't get the shutter curtain replaced, you can use some liquid rubber to patch it. You will have to redo it eventually. I have s Zorki with the same issue 😀
@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss It can look messy indeed. But if you apply the rubber carefully with no excess using a fine brush and leave it to dry ( or maybe cure?) before moving the shutter curtains, you will be fine. Also take note of the way the curtains are wound up on the mechanism. To reduce the possible stresses on the rest of the cloth (and maybe changing the speed of the shutter) the patch should be parallel to the roller they wind around. I had some experience with my Fed 2 camera a couple of years ago. It still works as "new" with no signs of further deterioration. edit: I should have finished the video before comenting🙃
Range finders are prone to this problem, many of my purchases had pinprick holes, for those I find a fabric felt pen can be used to fill them in and return the camera to useable again. I note that your shutter had a hole larger than the fix I mentioned above would most likely not been sufficient.
Try an e-bike and some padded cycling shorts also you may be able to recharge your GoPro from it. It takes about 4 weeks to get your bottom broken in for cycling. I use an e-bike and a motorbike you can stop anywhere on them. keep up the great work. The funny thing is the only time I was in the Isle of Wight was when I cycled there from Hull when I was 14 years old by myself I then went on to Lands End.
Cloth shutter curtains and direct sunlight shining through the lens is a no no. All those guys with Leica M film cameras also take note. If the hole is not huge, it may be possible to repair it.
Yeah it was a bummer lensman! I've patched it up and so far so good! I'll just keep my eye on it each time I shoot make sure it's not a loose patch. It shouldn't come loose but I don't fancy that getting into the rollers.
The cloth shutters on those cameras are really thin and fragile. I tried fixing mine with some liquid rubber paint, and it sort if worked, but now two of the shutter speeds are gone😆 Tricky cameras!
Wow..Glad to see the Pentagon 6 is still alive and well. I had one about 50 years ago with the 180 f2.8. Fantastic lens and shot local soccer and rugby on it. Always an great option in the day. Did you know one of the cheap tricks with 35mm gear in those days was to get great Pentax lenses (standard 42mm thread ) and put them on a Praktica L body. A super little camera with a metal vertical plane shutter which also gave a flash sinc. of 125 iirc. Really enjoyed your video..many thanks for the walk down my memory lane.
Anyone with a barnack Leica knows you don't leave your camera pointed at the sun without a lens cap on or you will burn a hole in your shutter curtain.
yep 4:25 you did not transport the flim and the mirror stayed up so your lens projected the sun in the shutter and burned it ...... Bay the way I'am Dutch and almost born on a fiets (bike) So I made a photography dadicated city bike and use it for allmost 30 years . Not the same bike of coarse last year I have a new bike with a low frame . I'am now allmost 68 and still love my bike .
Exactly that reason! A lesson learned here. Advance the camera after each shot so the mirror comes down to protect the curtain! Nice to hear you are active on your bike I can imagine you have some wonderful photographs 👍
Your copy of the lens is an older version (it is also the one with torium in it) I have got the black finish one and it’s pin sharp at f2.8, I don’t see any edge softness.
You can buy silk curtain cloth (for cameras) online, or... you could buy an old wrecked cloth curtain camera and cut the cloth out. And a bit of fabric glue. Others use liquid rubber to paint over the holes.
Don't you just love it when people see you off your bike and think they need to dial 999 just incase you think your gonna die or something? BTW, is the Pentagon 6 the camera used in the Sister Boniface Mysteries? It kind of looks the same. Great video!
@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss I Googled it and it turned out too be a Miranda something or other. It sorta looked like the one in A. Hitchcock's film Rear Window. Yes, those were the good old days, I can't even ride my bike around my house anymore for fear of being run over or shot at! I know what your thinking, yes it's that bad. :(
@@maltemalone5444 Thanks! I forgot about that🤦♂, makes total sense now, and could happen to anyone. When shooting film I find that discipline is very important
I did notice a non photography mistake,you were pedalling with the arch of your foot when you should be using the ball of your foot.I'm guessing that your saddle is lower than it should be.Prop your self agaist a wall whilst sat on the bike,rotate the pedals so that one is at the bottom of its travel.If youv'e got the saddle height right,there should be a slight bend in the leg.It will probably feel like the saddle is too high at first,but this is the optimal height for maximum efficiency while riding.The really dodgy thing is when the saddle is too low it will put an awful lot of strain on the knee joints.I haven't ridden my bike for a long time and I feel your puffed pain. The doc reminded me recently after I strained a calf muscle walking too far and too fast,"you can't go from zero to hero at your age (77)" build it up gradually." All the best and take it easy........................................
You have hit the nail right on the head there Russell. Only yesterday my right knee started to hurt really bad! So bad now I can't put pressure on it getting up from a seated position! I shall let it rest but it did make me research seat position. So thank you for your observation. Appreciate it.
I think most know that burning a hold in the shutter curtain is a thing with Leica rangefinders, as there is no mirror to protect the shutter curtain. But with your Pentacon, isn't that an SLR? And shouldn't the mirror protect the shutter curtain? And even if the mirror was in the up position. wouldn't the sun burn a hold dead center of the shutter curtain? It seems that the hole is off-center. Nice video though. I enjoy all of yours. Steve (New York).
Yes very common on Leica. It is an SLR Steve. But the mirror on that camera is UP until you advance the camera. And I guess it depends on the angle of the lens in relation to the sun.
The hole will be burned in the location on the shutter where the sun would appear on the negative (its position in the field of view). The lens is basically focusing an image on the shutter curtain instead of on the film. The position of the sun in the frame is the spot where a hole will be burned.
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Thanks for watching as always! And the comments. I should add With the Pentacon Six the mirror is only down when the camera is in advanced position. If it is not advanced the mirror stays up and the curtain is exposed behind the lens. When I left the camera on top of my bag and not advanced the lens (with no cap on) was pointing up to the sun which burned the pinhole into the curtain. (Like a magnifying glass on paper). It's common on Leica and Fed cameras. If you have a Pentacon Six just be wary of this. Maybe a good practice is to advance the camera after each exposure so the mirror comes down and protects the curtain. Something I will be doing from now on. I hope my error has helped others. ❤
Вот так недоразумение. Но после каждого снятого кадра взводить затвор не очень хорошо, механизм и его пружина будут всегда во взведённом состоянии. А если не понравится сцена, то механизм останется взведённым на долгое время. Остаётся не забывать про эту особенность, ну и пользоваться крышкой объектива🤷♂️
Yes. This camera says in the manual you can cock the shutter before or after advance.
I'll either put a lens cap on or face the camera lens down so that won't happen. I have a Leica iiic and a iiif.
I have a Cycle Poco camera built around 1900. I was intrigued by the "Cycle" in the name, so I did a little research. It turns out that cycling and photography became popular at about the same time. Many early portable cameras were marketed with "Cycle" in the name, intended to be used exactly the way you did in this video. So, looks like cycling and photography have been a "thing" for over 130 years. Love the videos!
As an old Leica shooter I immediately thought, cloth shutter!
The farm implement at 11:13 is a field cultivator. The front teeth are "sweeps" and the springs are a safety mechanism. If the sweeps hook something in the ground, like a rock or root, they fold up and back and the springs reset them. The sweeps come in many different shapes and sizes depending on your soil.
The discs behind them basically just even out the furrows they leave.
The two things in the back are "rolling basket" cultivators.
(You folks across the pond probably have other names for all of this.)
This is used for final preparation so that the soil will be ready for planting.
There you have it - more useless farming trivia than you probably needed, or even wanted.
Not useless. Thanks for the education!
I did that with my flash in Africa (equatorial sun in Kenya). I was using a Fresnel lens on the flash unit (Better Beamer) and had the flash lying on the floor of the Land Rover facing upward. It melted the face of my flash unit, though it still works fine. The plastic sleeve that you keep the Fresnel lens in says all over it not to point it at the sun!
WOW! Never heard of that but makes perfect sense!
I haven't watched the whole video yet or read any other comments, but I'm guessing you burned a hole in the shutter curtain from the sunlight. These cameras don't have quick return mirrors so there is nothing protecting the shutter curtain from sunlight if the lens cap is off.
Yup!
Sun burned through the shutter! I had that happen on my iiif. A bit of liquid rubber cleared it up and made it light tight again.
Some people might look at our shots and say...'what's he photographing that for?'.. but I say photographers see beauty in everything. ❤
Very true! Cheers Thomas.
I wholeheartedly agree about pictures and biking. Been doing this since 2009 or something.
Great video Roger! I’ve heard of holes getting burned in cloth shutters but have never actually seen it. I will be more careful with my cloth shutter cameras. I’m glad you were able to easily fix it. P.S. I always get a smile from your videos.
Thanks Tom! Appreciate the kind words. With that camera the mirror stays up if it's not advanced. Not everyone will know that. Hopefully the video will stop more burning out.
@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Ah, that explains the exposure to sunlight. I guess that situation wouldn’t come up with my cloth shutter cameras.
Roger, you often inspire me to go out and take pictures... I never thought you'd be convincing me to go out on my bike too!
Enjoy!
I enjoy your sharing of using Pentacon Six TL.
You’ll have a super strong thumb after a day of using the Pentacon 6, Rog, as there’s a lot of resistance to get over, to pull the film winder fully over to the next frame. That camera is built like a beast and an absolute beast to shoot!
Loose thread? use nail varnish to hold it firmly (or Thead lockliquid.. AND use sparingly.. Both allow for removal if required....
I love your videos. Always an adventure.
I've been riding my bike and shooting with a Nikon F2, I'm excited to see what adventures you get into! Ride hard!
Cheers. Hope you're having fun and great results. :)
On those cameras like the Kiev 60, pointing the lens towards the sun without having the mirror down is a sure way to burn a nice hole in the cloth shutter. Now, the camera is sure to be due for a full service!
14:46 i love the graph : D
I knew just as You showed the frame. Killed the curtain on my zorki 4 same way.
It was the last thing on my mind when thinking how as I usually have the cap on. But the only reason I could logically think of. Then I saw the curtain.
Thanks got that, I have a Zorki 4 and had no idea there was this risk!
Well that was a happy horse rider, very much enjoyed the tips on film photography
Ha Ha, the horse needed a rest!
Oh wow, you learn something every day, never seen that issue with the hole in the curtain, makes sense though. Unlucky!
A common problem with all curtain shutter cameras. That's why a SLR camera should always be cocked immediately after shooting in order to let the mirror protect the curtain.
Cloth shutter burn holes - something that you hear about, but I've never actually seen before. Surprised by the size of the hole too.
I have figured out the problem. You weren't wearing lycra!🤣
Naa, that's why he was puffed out 😂
Thats a step too far! I'd look like a penguin!
If you can't get the shutter curtain replaced, you can use some liquid rubber to patch it. You will have to redo it eventually. I have s Zorki with the same issue 😀
I've seen that stuff it looks messy. Hopefully my patch will work. Thanks for the tip though.
@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss It can look messy indeed. But if you apply the rubber carefully with no excess using a fine brush and leave it to dry ( or maybe cure?) before moving the shutter curtains, you will be fine. Also take note of the way the curtains are wound up on the mechanism. To reduce the possible stresses on the rest of the cloth (and maybe changing the speed of the shutter) the patch should be parallel to the roller they wind around. I had some experience with my Fed 2 camera a couple of years ago. It still works as "new" with no signs of further deterioration.
edit: I should have finished the video before comenting🙃
Thanks 👍
Love watching your stuff. I am a great fan of B&W film and have been using it for over 50 years!
Wow, thanks. Plenty of experience then and through the good times too!
Maybe you get your hands on a Flektogon 50/4. It's the same lens as on Hasselblads. 50, 80 and 180 is my setup as well.
look out isle of Wight Roger's got himself a bike thats what i like about your videos lots of fun in them.
I had a similar problem with my FED.
Yeah it is common on Feds and Leica.
Fantastic video Roger… thank you.. pls if you can, shoot an infrared roll. Cheers 🍻
I never have! Something I intend to do.
Range finders are prone to this problem, many of my purchases had pinprick holes, for those I find a fabric felt pen can be used to fill them in and return the camera to useable again. I note that your shutter had a hole larger than the fix I mentioned above would most likely not been sufficient.
Yes Leicas are prone! The hole was huge!
I love your vids just for the comedy value....
Try an e-bike and some padded cycling shorts also you may be able to recharge your GoPro from it. It takes about 4 weeks to get your bottom broken in for cycling. I use an e-bike and a motorbike you can stop anywhere on them. keep up the great work. The funny thing is the only time I was in the Isle of Wight was when I cycled there from Hull when I was 14 years old by myself I then went on to Lands End.
The island probably hasn't changed except a bit busier now. I looked at the electric bikes. Wow, they cost a fortune ha ha. I'll get used to it.
I really love this one 10:23
Back luck with the shutter curtain. BTW, your Wheat field was a field of Barley.
HA HA HA. Looked like wheat to me! But I take your word. What you learn! Thanks.
My heart nearly stopped when the winder fell off lol.😊
Mine too! 🫣
Awesome Shots Roger! Wheat always reminds me of The Movie Days Of Heaven. I Highly recommend watching, Amazing Cinematography.
Thanks mate. Yes wheat is a nice subject. With the right sky too!
Cloth shutter curtains and direct sunlight shining through the lens is a no no. All those guys with Leica M film cameras also take note. If the hole is not huge, it may be possible to repair it.
Yeah it was a bummer lensman! I've patched it up and so far so good! I'll just keep my eye on it each time I shoot make sure it's not a loose patch. It shouldn't come loose but I don't fancy that getting into the rollers.
The cloth shutters on those cameras are really thin and fragile. I tried fixing mine with some liquid rubber paint, and it sort if worked, but now two of the shutter speeds are gone😆 Tricky cameras!
Wow..Glad to see the Pentagon 6 is still alive and well. I had one about 50 years ago with the 180 f2.8. Fantastic lens and shot local soccer and rugby on it. Always an great option in the day. Did you know one of the cheap tricks with 35mm gear in those days was to get great Pentax lenses (standard 42mm thread ) and put them on a Praktica L body. A super little camera with a metal vertical plane shutter which also gave a flash sinc. of 125 iirc. Really enjoyed your video..many thanks for the walk down my memory lane.
I'm pleased you enjoyed it. Thanks for the tip!
Uploaded on World Bicycle Day! When I go out riding on my bicycle I always take my film camera with me.
There seems to be a day for everything ha ha.
Where there's stinging nettles there's usually Dock leaves to relieve it 😊
Ha Ha yes you're right. Natures little cure!
Anyone with a barnack Leica knows you don't leave your camera pointed at the sun without a lens cap on or you will burn a hole in your shutter curtain.
Absolutely. My iiig has the cap on a lanyard, it comes of for the exposure and goes straight back on.
Yup!
yep 4:25 you did not transport the flim and the mirror stayed up so your lens projected the sun in the shutter and burned it ...... Bay the way I'am Dutch and almost born on a fiets (bike) So I made a photography dadicated city bike and use it for allmost 30 years . Not the same bike of coarse last year I have a new bike with a low frame . I'am now allmost 68 and still love my bike .
Exactly that reason! A lesson learned here. Advance the camera after each shot so the mirror comes down to protect the curtain! Nice to hear you are active on your bike I can imagine you have some wonderful photographs 👍
Your copy of the lens is an older version (it is also the one with torium in it) I have got the black finish one and it’s pin sharp at f2.8, I don’t see any edge softness.
What did you use to fix the light leak? I have an old minolta with a similar problem (smaller holes along the edge of the cloth shutter) Thanks!
You can buy silk curtain cloth (for cameras) online, or... you could buy an old wrecked cloth curtain camera and cut the cloth out. And a bit of fabric glue. Others use liquid rubber to paint over the holes.
Would the pin Hole camera work looking up in the corn?
Exactly what is on my mind Neil. And with a breeze there will be a nice bit of motion blur possibly.
Did you find Treeza May in the fields of wheat?
She was banned from terrorising that field Dane 🤭 Naughty women!
Loved the vlog, have you used ADOX Adofix P Powder Fixer, if so any tips ?
Yes I have. Long time go. It worked Steve. But no tips for it.
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
Looks like you have a scratch on your lens?
Guessing at 4:30 - burned hole in curtain, non-SLR or mirror left un up position.
Don't you just love it when people see you off your bike and think they need to dial 999 just incase you think your gonna die or something? BTW, is the Pentagon 6 the camera used in the Sister Boniface Mysteries? It kind of looks the same. Great video!
I've never watched that program. Yes it is kind that people care. I saw guy with a puncture walking and offered help. Works both ways eh. :)
@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss I Googled it and it turned out too be a Miranda something or other. It sorta looked like the one in A. Hitchcock's film Rear Window. Yes, those were the good old days, I can't even ride my bike around my house anymore for fear of being run over or shot at! I know what your thinking, yes it's that bad. :(
Sorry to hear that mate😢. But how could the curtain be damaged if the mirror was down?🤔
until you wind, the mirror stays up in the pentacon six as well as it's sister camera, the kiev 60. so winding also resets the mirror
@@maltemalone5444 Thanks! I forgot about that🤦♂, makes total sense now, and could happen to anyone. When shooting film I find that discipline is very important
If you don't advance it stays up.
@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Thanks! I forgot about this "feature"
Oh dear, Roger 😂
I did notice a non photography mistake,you were pedalling with the arch of your foot when you should be using the ball of your foot.I'm guessing that your saddle is lower than it should be.Prop your self agaist a wall whilst sat on the bike,rotate the pedals so that one is at the bottom of its travel.If youv'e got the saddle height right,there should be a slight bend in the leg.It will probably feel like the saddle is too high at first,but this is the optimal height for maximum efficiency while riding.The really dodgy thing is when the saddle is too low it will put an awful lot of strain on the knee joints.I haven't ridden my bike for a long time and I feel your puffed pain.
The doc reminded me recently after I strained a calf muscle walking too far and too fast,"you can't go from zero to hero at your age (77)" build it up gradually."
All the best and take it easy........................................
You have hit the nail right on the head there Russell. Only yesterday my right knee started to hurt really bad! So bad now I can't put pressure on it getting up from a seated position! I shall let it rest but it did make me research seat position. So thank you for your observation. Appreciate it.
UPDATE. I changes my seat position and cycled on the balls of the feet. Much better!
I think most know that burning a hold in the shutter curtain is a thing with Leica rangefinders, as there is no mirror to protect the shutter curtain. But with your Pentacon, isn't that an SLR? And shouldn't the mirror protect the shutter curtain? And even if the mirror was in the up position. wouldn't the sun burn a hold dead center of the shutter curtain? It seems that the hole is off-center. Nice video though. I enjoy all of yours. Steve (New York).
Yes very common on Leica. It is an SLR Steve. But the mirror on that camera is UP until you advance the camera. And I guess it depends on the angle of the lens in relation to the sun.
The hole will be burned in the location on the shutter where the sun would appear on the negative (its position in the field of view). The lens is basically focusing an image on the shutter curtain instead of on the film. The position of the sun in the frame is the spot where a hole will be burned.
I had the same experience with my Leica M7. 😢
Yes Leicas are prone to it. Sorry to hear that.
Bummer with the curtain! I ride a bike, maybe I'll use mine a bit more with the camera!
You should Ian. Mind you, that gear weighed a lot on my back! A nice light camera is ideal.
Note that if you are on a shoot, if you cock the shutter, the mirror will come down and prevent accidents like this. Just saying...
The lens burned through the shutter I guess?
Ihr habt’s ja sogar beim Fahrradfahren Linksverkehr??!!😜
Ich glaube nicht, dass es irgendjemand weiß. Sie kommen aus allen Richtungen 😧
Stinging nettle is a natural anti allergy and anti inflammation.
I told you so : )
2023 September 22 . Mirror is not rapid return : (
I know Peter. Notice the cap is on a lot of the time in the video! Just that moment I started vlogging 😬
I’m guessing light leak due lens pointing directly at the sun.
lol, continue watching. I burned a hole in the curtain :(
Oops😬
Oh no... You burnt up the rubberized layer in the cloth shutter..
Yes I did 🫣
Get the 50 and 180 in MC version. The old 180 is no good. Nice greetings from Germany
I love the one I have. But I will Look at the MC Cheers.
I confirm, the MC is fantastic and yours is radioactive as well.
Have you thought of investing in a small electric bicycle so you won't be so knackered? Just an idea....
I looked at them! Soooo expensive.
Thanks!
Thank you very much ! :)
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