i like how some people don't know what i mean, alhaitham deal smaller damage but continuous, meanwhile kinich can deal bigger and explosive damage but it's only like one damage per 3 - 4 second
@@TKizaru a good thing to remember to is without natlan characters on his team he loses a pretty huge amount of dps, but if we're talking about right now then yea alhaithams better. if mavuika replaces xl AND bennett... the possibilities for kinich are through the roof!
@@suuedropin this case though you really can’t make a proper comparison because they are meant for two different dendro teams- Kinich is for Burning and Burgeon, while Alhaitham for Spread and Hyperbloom-
From a meta perspective Alhaitham is definitely better pull value but Kinich is still really good and Iam sure will get better as more natlan characters release especially the pyro archon and also very fun to play and really love his and Ajaw's voicelines they're so funny 😂
They both got the same pull value dum dum, one is for burning and burgeon while the other is for spread and hyperbloom and both are extremely f2p friendly too with having good f2p team comps. Also kinich will recieve more buffs since he just came out along with natlan. Great example of this is some extremely good support artifacts for his team which can't be used sadly rn since effects require future natlan characters to proc it.
Tbh I searched a comparison just because Genshin is the kind of game where even as a spender I have to be cautious what I pull on as it’s impossible to have every character. So I wanted to see who looked more appealing and if one was superior to the other etc. If genshin wasn’t so stingy I would get both haha
haitham is better for now overall but remember kinich still needs a natlan character that can suppeot him well (for example mavuika) and then he will definitely be better because mavuika could use the scroll set for 40% dmg bonus
@@sumbunniii8721try making his base em 550+ minimum with r5 sting and try to get a 60-70 cr and 135-160 CD, then just watch how to play him properly, slap in kuki with as much as em as possible and a dendro battery, if u wanna use harbinfer of dawn, get 380 em and 80-95, cr and 200+ CD
To be fair, kinich doesn't have his fully synergistic team yet. No one in his team can give him a full stack of nightsoul burst, or using new artifact yet he already on par with Alhaitham. If he get his bis team he'll be easily powercreep Alhaitham. Natlan DPS potential are no joke.
Thing is, characters like maulani are weaker outside of Natlan. And in this case, kinich and alhaitham are 2 different team synergies. They don't function The same
@bem3760 because without rhe 2nd bar [the orange one above the name] she can't stay on her shark as long. Which is a huge thing alot of people don't understand. That bar can make her last for multiple attacks and shark bites while regular nightsoul can get about 2 shark bites at most
@@nobody-xh6ii well doesn't mean she was weaker tho. She can use her surf mode longer in natlan. She still shreds spiral abyss without a ploghiston bar how is she weaker? She still doing the same damage
@@ito4510 yes, but what I mean is alhaitham didn't contribute anything to half the dmg except the dendro resonance, plus u didn't count the whole setup time alhaithams took lmao
Kinich has a lot of front loaded damage while alhaitha Takes a while to set up and does not have a lot of personal damage compared to other dps chatectord, in the end there two different play styles and both are great characters
Alhaitham needs Nahida ( Hyperbloom & Spread ) Kinich needs Emilie ( Burgeon & Burning ) Both DPS & their best Support is unique to their own ways ( Alhaitham is best for *"Hyperbloom X Spread",* but less perform on Burgeon X Burning. Kinich in the other hand is a vice versa. Which means Kinich is best for *"Burgeon X Burning",* but less perform on Hyperbloom X Spread. )
@@matheuscruz3666 her passive only gives 250 max If Sara is in instructors that is 150 or 120 I don't remember Plus double dendro gives 150 em that close to 600 Which means alhaitham must have 400 pluss em How did bro get 400 pluss em with only one em main state And a few good substats Edit: 150ish from gilded too so I guess it is possible
@@amvtunes4500no, i did the calculations its not possible, I was weirded out too, I asked and he just said… “SUPPORTS” bro come on… Nahida is 250, instructor is 120 he has 240 on Alhaitham cause I calculated his artifacts plus it says it before he enters them on top right corner and dendro resonance is + 100 u do the math and thats just 710! Edit: Forgot gilded is 100+ but still there is 280 em I don’t understand where it came from
@@zDragon-KnightZz does his sig not give him em ??? I think it does in the passive Maybe thats where the difference comes from And dendro resonance give 150 em
@@amvtunes4500 nope, I main alhaitham, and weapon doesn’t, and its not 150 on resonance! Its literally 50+ EM and when u do different reactions its 30+ and then 20+. The weapon just gives normal attack bonus per EM u have 120%! Just do a quick google search before stating if your not sure! I literally used his same team and tested it, and I even have more em than him on artifacts lol. I just wanna know what im missing!
I have both … both are fun (and strong) … I have tighnari aswell and he is fun to play aswell.. I’m convinced that dendro dps’s are the most fun characters to play
Al haitham could finish it a bit faster. After using E he didn't do plunge resulting only 2 stacks mirror. If 3 stacks mirror hit could immediately finish it. I dont know about long rotation, after using burst and E can alhaitham do the next rotation properly. At least we know kinich rotation is rather brain dead just apply another pyro and his E already up again to do another rotation
Kinich is not at even his half potential.. Bro lack natlan characters.. Proper supports and also a character for using the 4pc artifact that provides 40% elemental damage bonus
@@Alhaithammainc1 nope that's how the game works, the Crit stats depend on the base attack of every weapon. Like Arle's weapon has more Crit rate but less base atk. As a pure atk scaler Kinich really needs that base attack so it's a very good weapon tailor made for him.
@@Alhaithammainc1 thats how it has always been fixed stats for weapons if base atk goes up secondary stat goes down and visa versa also kinich basically doesnt need much crit rate due to his sig artifact
@@Alhaithammainc1 It works perfectly for him, he doesn't need crit rate, and u gotta realise signature weapons aren't versatile anymore, they are tailor made for the character only, it's been that way since 3.0. So as long as it works for the specified character why do u care about the stats?
@@TKizaru can you show your support builds? Pls or tell me what are you using on them? Cause only nahida gives em unless u using instructor set on sara, that why im confused.
How is kujo sara buffing alhaitham besides nuking the bosses health bar before he even take the field. Anyway, fake c0 showcases with whales supports. Pretty sure Klee is c2 at least and Furina c3
I have both on F2P account, I did a comparison based on realistic teams I have used on a 995k HP boss. I was surprised by Kinich performance because at the moment I have a goofy team for him and I am using 4 deepwood as a place holder set. My Alhaitham is much more better built and has a better team around him. Based on my runs: Per rotation Alhaitham's team (Al, DMC, Kuki, Koko) did around 940k. Per roation Kinich's team (Kinich, Bennet, XL, Zhongli) did around 880k However Kinich rotation is slightly faster. Overall though, I still prefer Alhaitham team a bit more because it has more pratical application. Under most circumstances he is still better. If we are talking Cons though, Kinich washes him.
Wdym? Copy keqing? How tf is he even copy his gameplay is completely different he scales on different things have different teams. Just say you found another reason for copimum, in your language your cheap copy of Xiao isn't even close to Alhaitham in meta nor gameplay. Try playing him in tight places lmao
they dont play the same at all it might LOOK THE SAME but in reality they are far far apart alhaitham is far more complex Then keqing spamming E > burst > E > CA's
Both are solid with completely different teams
That’s the best part. You can run them on both sides optimally.
alhaitam tecnically is better
@@KB__7yeah his dps is better but Kinich for most casual players might be more fun.
@@KB__7at c0 yes. But Kinich has far better vertical investment than alhaithem
@@KB__7 kinich doesnt even have his full team which is emillie and the pyro archon when she comes out now also alhaitam needs nahida
alhaitham : damage per second
kinich : damage per screenshot
But those screenshot were per 1 sec?
@@NnnKoinnN one, every like 3 seconds
@@Spacecowboy19973? It's one shot per second, do you play with your feet and with your eyes closed?
i like how some people don't know what i mean, alhaitham deal smaller damage but continuous, meanwhile kinich can deal bigger and explosive damage but it's only like one damage per 3 - 4 second
@@KewerMengakakk6262 * 4-5
Both are really good and can be used on different sides. It doesn’t have to be one or the other
Unless you only have enough to pull for one or the other
@@elnino3740 In my case, I have Kinich, Alhaitham and Tighnari all built and I love them all
No one can beat alhaitham hyperbloom team, and kinich burn team, both strong and unique.
he i think alhaitham is still better
@@TKizarulet's see when Pyro archon snaps in
@@johanliebert3609 what if shes a dps
@@Cory_is_the_best she is sun dps
@@TKizaru a good thing to remember to is without natlan characters on his team he loses a pretty huge amount of dps, but if we're talking about right now then yea alhaithams better. if mavuika replaces xl AND bennett... the possibilities for kinich are through the roof!
whenever a new character is released I just search their name vs alhaitham to see people cry about it
Edit: Proved me right
and usually alhaitham wins🙏🏻🙏🏻
@@suuedropin this case though you really can’t make a proper comparison because they are meant for two different dendro teams- Kinich is for Burning and Burgeon, while Alhaitham for Spread and Hyperbloom-
@@Alpeglow yepp youre right
At least Kinich doesn't have a recycled gameplay.
also neublyat
Genshin fandom tries to become a peaceful fandom for 1 sec:
*failed horribly*
From a meta perspective Alhaitham is definitely better pull value but Kinich is still really good and Iam sure will get better as more natlan characters release especially the pyro archon and also very fun to play and really love his and Ajaw's voicelines they're so funny 😂
They both got the same pull value dum dum, one is for burning and burgeon while the other is for spread and hyperbloom and both are extremely f2p friendly too with having good f2p team comps.
Also kinich will recieve more buffs since he just came out along with natlan.
Great example of this is some extremely good support artifacts for his team which can't be used sadly rn since effects require future natlan characters to proc it.
Why can’t people just agree that both are good
Tbh I searched a comparison just because Genshin is the kind of game where even as a spender I have to be cautious what I pull on as it’s impossible to have every character.
So I wanted to see who looked more appealing and if one was superior to the other etc.
If genshin wasn’t so stingy I would get both haha
become someone is always better or worse
Do this with a tankier boss so we can see who does more damage per rotation Kinich still had 2-3 more cannon shots he could’ve used
And Alhaitham had 15 SECONDS of unused damage...
haitham is better for now overall but remember
kinich still needs a natlan character that can suppeot him well (for example mavuika) and then he will definitely be better because mavuika could use the scroll set for 40% dmg bonus
i think alhaitam is better
Same
I have both and Kinich has given me higher damage, although at the time of the abyss, when I had them both, I got through the content faster.
Thank you now I feel lost more than ever :')
My alhaitham does NOT do that send help pls😭
My alhaithem is rotting in the basement 😭
I’ve never gotten my alhatiam to work properly idk what I’m doing wrong, that’s why I’m so interested in kinich.
@@sumbunniii8721try making his base em 550+ minimum with r5 sting and try to get a 60-70 cr and 135-160 CD, then just watch how to play him properly, slap in kuki with as much as em as possible and a dendro battery, if u wanna use harbinfer of dawn, get 380 em and 80-95, cr and 200+ CD
Kinich 🗿
Alhaitham 🗿
People who compare 🤡
I stole this comment from Instagram 😂
Bruh
😮 No doubt kinich powercreep alhaitam
@@exploreevery Both have different functions, they would only be comparable if kinich was an enabler, but it is not.
@@tearful1 enabler also an onfielder same as DPS. And Alhaitham personal damage is worth to be called hypercarry at least in spread team
Both are strong in different ways so I did what I calls a power move and get both instead of picking
bro kinich has 4k attack??
That's probably because the Bennett buff hadn't worn off yet when they opened the window.
yeah ill wait for genshin 8.0 character then. it will be cracked even kinnich haitham arlechina fan will cry
lol
To be fair, kinich doesn't have his fully synergistic team yet. No one in his team can give him a full stack of nightsoul burst, or using new artifact yet he already on par with Alhaitham. If he get his bis team he'll be easily powercreep Alhaitham. Natlan DPS potential are no joke.
Thing is, characters like maulani are weaker outside of Natlan. And in this case, kinich and alhaitham are 2 different team synergies. They don't function The same
@@nobody-xh6ii why she weaker?
@bem3760 because without rhe 2nd bar [the orange one above the name] she can't stay on her shark as long. Which is a huge thing alot of people don't understand. That bar can make her last for multiple attacks and shark bites while regular nightsoul can get about 2 shark bites at most
@@nobody-xh6ii well doesn't mean she was weaker tho. She can use her surf mode longer in natlan. She still shreds spiral abyss without a ploghiston bar how is she weaker? She still doing the same damage
@@nobody-xh6ii in abyss she bites 3 times just say you got skull issue lmao
now do multi target mobs 0/20 💀💀
Alhaitham took 2 sec while kinich took 5, + alhaitham mogs.
That Lightning girl bursted the boss to 50% before the other guy even attacked though.
@@triavangsucdeeznuts still his team completed it faster.
@ito4510 bro half of the dmg didn't even come from him quit glazing
@@ISMythix only whales will use the dps alone without a team in the abyss
@@ito4510 yes, but what I mean is alhaitham didn't contribute anything to half the dmg except the dendro resonance, plus u didn't count the whole setup time alhaithams took lmao
I have both, and I say that Kinich really cant be compared since kinich is a burning/burgeon DPS and Alhaitham is a hyb/spread dps
Kinich has a lot of front loaded damage while alhaitha
Takes a while to set up and does not have a lot of personal damage compared to other dps chatectord, in the end there two different play styles and both are great characters
i still remember the dayof the leaks and saw dendro keqing huhu
Alhaitham 💚💚💜💙
Tighnari 💚💚💜💜
Kinich 💚💚♥️♥️
we need 1 with 4 green hearts
Alhaitham needs Nahida ( Hyperbloom & Spread )
Kinich needs Emilie ( Burgeon & Burning )
Both DPS & their best Support is unique to their own ways ( Alhaitham is best for *"Hyperbloom X Spread",* but less perform on Burgeon X Burning. Kinich in the other hand is a vice versa. Which means Kinich is best for *"Burgeon X Burning",* but less perform on Hyperbloom X Spread. )
Kinich in no world requires emilie, that's just wrong
bro kinich works just fine with furina over emilie
WHY IM USING ALHAITHAM WITH EMELIE THO...
Kinich doesn't need anyone to shred abyss, only bennet and a pyro applicator
alhaitham bruning is fun i use
c0 alhaitham
c6 xiangling
c6 bennett
c0 kazuha
THIS TEAM IS SATISFYING (i die oftenly because of the grass)
HOW THE FUCK DOES alhaitham HAVE over a 1000 em
without all em pieces
Nahida passive
@@matheuscruz3666 her passive only gives 250 max
If Sara is in instructors that is 150 or 120 I don't remember
Plus double dendro gives 150 em that close to 600
Which means alhaitham must have 400 pluss em
How did bro get 400 pluss em with only one em main state
And a few good substats
Edit: 150ish from gilded too so I guess it is possible
@@amvtunes4500no, i did the calculations its not possible, I was weirded out too, I asked and he just said… “SUPPORTS” bro come on…
Nahida is 250, instructor is 120 he has 240 on Alhaitham cause I calculated his artifacts plus it says it before he enters them on top right corner and dendro resonance is + 100 u do the math and thats just 710!
Edit: Forgot gilded is 100+ but still there is 280 em I don’t understand where it came from
@@zDragon-KnightZz does his sig not give him em ???
I think it does in the passive
Maybe thats where the difference comes from
And dendro resonance give 150 em
@@amvtunes4500 nope, I main alhaitham, and weapon doesn’t, and its not 150 on resonance! Its literally 50+ EM and when u do different reactions its 30+ and then 20+.
The weapon just gives normal attack bonus per EM u have 120%! Just do a quick google search before stating if your not sure!
I literally used his same team and tested it, and I even have more em than him on artifacts lol. I just wanna know what im missing!
pero como que ya lo tenes nivel 90 hijo-
Heyyy, I just wanna say, that your discord link has probably expired or is invalid ^^
i know:(
Based on ur artifacts u have low crit rate but it went up to 89%
How?
food
Alhaitham is the best dealer💚
yes
Kinich will be good for single target enemies
so is haitham
I have both … both are fun (and strong) … I have tighnari aswell and he is fun to play aswell.. I’m convinced that dendro dps’s are the most fun characters to play
yes both are good and tinari too
Ok. But which is best?
Al haitham could finish it a bit faster. After using E he didn't do plunge resulting only 2 stacks mirror. If 3 stacks mirror hit could immediately finish it. I dont know about long rotation, after using burst and E can alhaitham do the next rotation properly. At least we know kinich rotation is rather brain dead just apply another pyro and his E already up again to do another rotation
not a haihtma main sorry
Kinich is not at even his half potential.. Bro lack natlan characters.. Proper supports and also a character for using the 4pc artifact that provides 40% elemental damage bonus
nah 11 crit rate at max level whats this weapon :skull
it gives lots of atk tho, also, his bis set gives 40 cr rate :)
@@seanb4444 Yea but lvl 90 only 11 crit rate bro thats a scam AND its a 5 star
@@Alhaithammainc1 nope that's how the game works, the Crit stats depend on the base attack of every weapon. Like Arle's weapon has more Crit rate but less base atk. As a pure atk scaler Kinich really needs that base attack so it's a very good weapon tailor made for him.
@@Alhaithammainc1 thats how it has always been fixed stats for weapons if base atk goes up secondary stat goes down and visa versa also kinich basically doesnt need much crit rate due to his sig artifact
@@Alhaithammainc1 It works perfectly for him, he doesn't need crit rate, and u gotta realise signature weapons aren't versatile anymore, they are tailor made for the character only, it's been that way since 3.0. So as long as it works for the specified character why do u care about the stats?
How does he have 1,090 EM?
supports
@@TKizaru can you show your support builds? Pls or tell me what are you using on them? Cause only nahida gives em unless u using instructor set on sara, that why im confused.
55 secs no views.. u fell off
How is kujo sara buffing alhaitham besides nuking the bosses health bar before he even take the field. Anyway, fake c0 showcases with whales supports. Pretty sure Klee is c2 at least and Furina c3
she buffs him atk and has elegy on her which buffs atk and em to and we need 1 electro trigger quicken or aggravte
just play whoever the f u want
yes but
I have both on F2P account, I did a comparison based on realistic teams I have used on a 995k HP boss.
I was surprised by Kinich performance because at the moment I have a goofy team for him and I am using 4 deepwood as a place holder set. My Alhaitham is much more better built and has a better team around him.
Based on my runs:
Per rotation Alhaitham's team (Al, DMC, Kuki, Koko) did around 940k.
Per roation Kinich's team (Kinich, Bennet, XL, Zhongli) did around 880k
However Kinich rotation is slightly faster.
Overall though, I still prefer Alhaitham team a bit more because it has more pratical application. Under most circumstances he is still better.
If we are talking Cons though, Kinich washes him.
cond ofr later characters are just cheatin
@@TKizaru for real, it just keep getting stronger. it doesnt help that alhaitham constellations arent as strong as others.
Kinich honestly better
no
@ yes
Alhaitham>>Kinichi
@ other way around bud
I think Alhitham anyway better than Kinich
Nope
Are you an indian genshin impact player, I see you everywhere in the comments lol!! @@VaishnaviSharma-s4b
@@RAHILM2002 yeah hehe😜
@@VaishnaviSharma-s4b nice to meet an Indian genshin player, I thought I was the only one watching these showcase videos, lol.
@@RAHILM2002 yeah true😭
It doesn't matter, gameplay wise Alheithem is still a cheap copy of Keqing.
Wdym? Copy keqing? How tf is he even copy his gameplay is completely different he scales on different things have different teams. Just say you found another reason for copimum, in your language your cheap copy of Xiao isn't even close to Alhaitham in meta nor gameplay. Try playing him in tight places lmao
but a strong one
@@he918 Also come back here when you can spell Alhaitham correct
they dont play the same at all
it might LOOK THE SAME
but in reality they are far far apart
alhaitham is far more complex
Then keqing spamming E > burst > E > CA's
@@DRIP-p9llmao yeah but the effects are similar
honestly I regret pulling alhaitham
♿️♿️♿️
he is one of the strongest characters, just make a normal team and dont put Amber to him
24 views in 6 mins bro actually fell off
I pulled kinich, so i can skip alhaitham
or othe other way around
I skipped Mulani so I can get neuv so I feel u
Kinich better
for dmg maybe but mm
ez win kinich can't take fall damage alhaitham is dead
yes but
Alaitham is weak thaths all there is to it.
Nothing more.
no he is not
I have both & ur absolutely wrong. Just bc u like one or don’t have one doesn’t mean u should diss the other?