When Captain Logan asked if it was "important" to give the fans what they "want," I was immediately reminded of what Morgan Freeman, a.k.a. "God," said in Bruce Almighty, and it was, "People, don't really know, what they want, do they?"
I don't get why Spider-Man and Harry Osborn don't just mix their blood in a petri dish and watch the results under a microscope. That way Spider-Man gives a conclusive, scientific reason for why his blood won't help Harry.
Great review, I agree with every point and opinions. I'd say "Alien: Covenant" also suffered from trying to please everyone and changing to satisfy the internet (I remember how once they didn't plan to show any xenomorphs in the sequel which upset people so they changed it) and it ended up being a problematic hot mess pizza with things and characters that are interesting but then are used poorly.
On that point about the final shot of the film being spoiled in the trailer, the thing that winds me up about it is that, to me, a trailer's primary purpose is to entice you to see the film, so that you can see how the actions all connect together and, more appropriately in this case, to see what happens next. So when a trailer says to me "Oh, you like that shot? Well come see our film to see the awesome set piece we have after that!", but then the film goes "Actually, this is literally where the movie ends - you'll need to see the next one to see what happens", then I start to feel a little cheated. It might just be me though!
I actually don't hate this movie, in fact I rather like it, not perfect, but I think it's decent and kind of a shame we didn't get to see a third installment, although I love Homecoming and it is my favorite spidey flick
I honestly didn't care for Homecoming and it's for a number of reasons. 1: Peter's motivation is selfish. His motive isn't 'with great power comes great responsibility, or i have a duty to help people. It's entirely about himself and getting Tony to recognize him and treat him like an adult. 2: Peter has no problems in his life. No money problems, no family problems, no friend problems, no girl problems, no reputation problems. His biggest problems are Flash teasing him (not even physically bullying him) and Tony treating him like a kid. That is nothing compared to the problems faced by every other Spider-man ever. 3: a lot of potentially great moments are used as throw away jokes. Aunt May discovers Peter is Spiderman, and a moment that should be huge, is used as a joke. 4: Peter never web-slings or cracks jokes. I don't know how many people caught this but for the entire movie Peter never once swings through the city, and only cracks a joke i think once or twice while fighting crocks.
But the ending of TASM1 was setting it up for this movie though. Besides, where else was there for Peter and Gwen to go. They killed Captain Stacy off in the first film and they wrote themselves in a corner because they didn't want to make Gwen look bad with her hating Spider-Man and not knowing Peter's identity.
His Superhero Rewinds of Spider-Man 2 and The Dark Knight is what made me appreciate those two films and why they are my two Favorite CBMs of all time.
12:16 The Dark Knight is 2 hours and 30 minutes. The running time that's onscreen is the one for Dark Knight Rises. Just thought that I'd point that out.
I didn't like when you said you wanted Peter and MJ boiled alive in the original Spider-Man trilogy. Sure, I know you have your opinion about the romance, but I think that phrasing is a bit too harsh.
Did anyone else think Harry and Electro's five minute team-up was weird and kind of hilarious? They have very little in common but they kinda act like they're buddies now and have been buddies for a long time, but only for five minutes. After that, they each return to whatever their original motivation was. At least, that's how I remember it.
I have to respectfully disagree with you on the Peter-Uncle Ben sequence in Spiderman 2 as being "outlandish", especially compared to the Dennis Leary hallucinations in this one. The sequence from Spiderman 2 was clearly a cinematic visualization of Peter's internal dialogue, a way for the audience to literally get inside his head and clearly understand his dilemma. Maybe not the most realistic, but its wonderful storytelling, and the scene itself is given the time and care it needs to effectively communicate itself to the audience. The Dennis Leary stuff here is, in my opinion, a cheap, easy trick to show Peter's struggle. Not to mention the fact that Peter is supposedly really seeing Dennis Leary scolding him, which for this "grounded" universe is just laughable if we're supposed to take it seriously as dramatic conflict.
Gabriel Theis I agree. In the heightened comic book world of the Raimi trilogy where Goblin bombs reduce you to cartoony skeletons and MJ is kidnapped every other day the Uncle Ben car sequence is not too outlandish and seems like it could work for a comic book. Like you said, Peter literally seeing Captain Stacy everywhere is a little cheap and uninspired, and doesn’t work with the more grounded take it’s going for
In Sony’s defense, they had the right idea to try and tweak things with the sequel to make it more appealing to fans and a general audience. The first Amazing Spider-Man got fairly mixed reviews, and considering it was a rights-grab reboot, directed by a former indie director and suffered from some boneheaded editing post-production that cut out several scenes that would have made the film feel more complete and at least a little more interesting, it’s not surprising that a lot of people (myself included) weren’t won over by it. By all accounts, it needed improving. But considering Sony (as far as I understand it), were no longer in a mad rush to hold on to the rights, they could have given Mark Webb more time to think over the script or hired some other experienced filmmaker to help him out, but no. Sony has to be Sony. They have to micromanage everything and they are more superficial, impulsive and reactionary than a teen who didn’t care to do their homework until the eleventh hour. And they have to have their own cinematic universe, yesterday. They should have frontloaded Electro as the main villain and developed him more, as Raimi’s trilogy gave us plenty of Osborn and Green Goblin content for a while, they should have put Harry more in the background and just planted the seeds for his character arc in the next film. The death of Gwen Stacy also felt like a stupid and shortsighted decision. Yes, her death was a big deal in the comics……in 1973. Back then, it was shocking and nuanced, and it paved the way for comics to take bigger risks and have the heroes fail to save their loved ones. But that’s the thing, it’s the original example, or at least the one that popularized the trope. By 2014, it meant nothing, it had become a tired cliché. They either should have kept Gwen alive or at least held off killing her off until the third movie, and worked in her death more naturally into the story there, instead of making it just another checkbox of Spider-man tropes mandates by the studio to placate the fans.
I think most people are forgiving of Spider Man 3 compared to ASM2 because it's the kind of watchable mess that you don't forget because Raimi just has that style and finesse to his directing while ASM2 is just a bland and all over the place mess because too many people had too many ideas that never found their way past the polishing stage.
I think the reason I think of this as a better film than Spider-Man 3 is that I can at least see a decent film buried in the mess. There's a fair few elements that would need to be hacked out and others that would need rearranging but the pieces that work are pieces that I find immensely enjoyable.That makes it frustrating, but I can't call it the 'absence of good' that makes a film genuinely bad, at least in my eyes.
As for the coincidence of the spider bite, I don't necessarily think this makes it worse, per say, since it's the fact that Peter is Richard Parker's son that led Peter to his work place. It is still a coincidence that Norman's assistant was there, but not that only Peter and Uncle Ben could've gotten powers. If some other completely random scientist (let's say Smythe) had been working on the spider formula, and just so happened to use Richard's blood, then I think it would be a coincidence, since the connection would be unlikely, but it really doesn't feel any more unlikely than it was in TASM 1.
From what I’ve read online, in the original script, Peter WAS gonna give Harry his blood to cure him, and honestly… they really should’ve done that. I know at first it seems even MORE reckless than the final film but hear me out: 1. If we had spend more time with Peter and Harry bonding as friends, and made them a platonic equivalent to Peter and Gwen, you would immediately understand why Peter would be desperate to save his best friend. Especially when it seems like he and Gwen were on the verge of ending for good, you would get his desperation of not wanting to lose his best friend AND his girlfriend at the same time. 2. I love the idea of the ironic twist that Peter ends up losing both of them anyway in the EXACT OPPOSITE WAYS he expects to, by having GWEN be the one who dies and Peter ending on bad terms with Harry. 3. This part is me rewriting the movie but… instead of Peter’s dad betraying Osborn, why not have it be the EXACT SAME scenario like Peter and Harry’s where both feel obligated and also are pressured into curing their friend, thinking they’re doing the right thing, but end up making things worse? What if Richard DID try to invent a cure for Norman and it instead made his condition worse with the “goblin like” side effects, and THAT’S WHY he puts a hit out on Richard and why he and his wife go on the run?
Correction Cap: The Dark Knight Rises clocks in at 2 hours 45 minutes. The Dark Knight clocks in at 2:32, about 10 minutes longer than Amazing Spider-Man 2. Your point remains the same, I only bring this up in an effort to win a no-prize.
Conner Nielsen Yeah I dunno what happened there. I thought it was about 1:30:00, looked it up to be exact, and I must have been looking at Rises run time
Agreed that Amazing Spider-Man 2 was not so amazing. I wish they could figure out a solitary focus for this movie without dragging along 3 villains for no practical reason besides fulfilling their weaponized serialization agenda for the mceu. @12:23 the dark knight only had a run time of 2hr 32min.
I personally really like the first Amazing Spider-Man movie and I love Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man. Say what you want about his looks but for me performance is far more important and I would go as far as saying he's better than Tobey Maguire. I hesitate to say that the overall movie is necessarily better than the Raimi movies with the obviously exception of the third one but I think it's pretty solid. Peter's love story/relationship with Gwen is fantastic and handled way better than Peter's relationship with Mary Jane in the original trilogy. The most problematic thing about the movie is definitely the villain. But overall as a Spider-Man fan I really liked that movie. As hard as they tried though, I don't think they necessarily justified retelling the origin. If they gave us a story without the origin I think this would've been a much better film and people would look back on it more fondly. But as far as this sequel goes, I pretty much agree with you. I don't hate this movie. There's a lot I like. Andrew Garfield is still fantastic as Spider-Man. I love the new costume and it's still my favorite Spider-Man suit that we've had a screen. The web-swinging is handled beautifully and is the best it's ever been. I don't hate this movie. It's not good but there's a lot I like.,
As for the Goblin knowing Peter's Spider Man, he doesn't say any of that, he *does* just look menacingly at Gwen and captures her. And while I'm on the subject, I actually do like how Gwen's death is changed from falling off of a bridge to falling through a clock tower. All of Peter's desperate attempts to stop the Goblin from killing her involve him having to stop different gears and moving parts from the clock, as if Peter has to stop time in order to save Gwen, metaphorically of course, but can't because Gwen's death is as inevitable as time moving forward, like clockwork.
ASM2 is such a mess, but at the same time I am fascinated by it. It is still really fun in places and clearly had some great ideas or at least ideas that the people working on it were passionate about. It then gets bogged down by corporate bull and least common denominator stuff. I do not hate ASM2 cause I see Webb's passion under the trash. That does not fix the issues but it does make me both more saddened and more interested in it than before.
28:00 Cap, the difference between stalking and romantic is if the girl likes you. If she likes you it's romantic. If she doesn't it's stalking. Seriously. I don't know much about women, but I do know that.
Wait, you said that at the end it would have been much better if Harry discovers who Spidey is by looking at Gwen and Spidey alone at the same time after defeating Electro, rather than because of the hero speech. But... It's exactly how he discovers it, doesn't it? I've rewatched it maybe two months or so and it's exactly what I recall! But whatever, great in-depth analysis as usual, I have the same problems as you with the movie, but for me Spider-Man is a character that's half-defined by his love stories, so I like this movie a lot, despite having some lackluster moments.
Oh for real? I thought they were included as deleted scenes on the DVD (haven't watched it since the theater) I knew I heard a bunch of content was tacked on as extras but I didn't know what. My bad
I watched the ending only and thought that Capt was wrong. Watching the whole thing I think he was right. Maybe a bit understated actually. This film really is a mess between the Electro, Richard/Mary Parker and Green Goblin storylines. If it was edited better probably not.
I don't know if you watched the movie while writing this, but that's exactly how Harry figures out Peter is Spider-Man. He looks at Gwen and Spider-Man a few times and puts it together.
I didn't particularly care for the first TASM movie and the trailers for this movie were waving all the possible red flags, so I didn't go see this in theater and all the bad reviews made sure that I had no interest to catch it up later on DVD. But because I wanted to watch all the previous Spider-Man movies before Homecoming, I went to a flea market and bought the cheapest copy that I could find (1 euro, if you are curious) and finally sat down to watch it. I hate to admit it, but I didn't completely hate it. Sure, it is by no means a good movie and my expectations being at the rock-bottom probably helped a lot (if I ever rewatch this movie, I doubt I would be as lenient on it), but it was much more pleasant viewing experience than the first TASM movie. What elements did I like exactly? Well, the best part of the previous movie, I.E. Peter/Gwen romance, was even better here. Now they are interacting like an actual mature couple rather than two romantic comedy stereotypes. They love always feels genuine and the chemistry between Garfield and Stone is perfect. I also found Garfield's Peter Parker much more likeable this time around. Sure, he still can't act like actual outcast nerd to save his life, but he isn't being selfish dick anymore and seems to actually care about aunt May. The more cheerful and comedic tone also helps to make some of the goofier moments feel less out of place, and the film simply is more pleasing to the eyes since, unlike the previous movie, it remembers that colors exist. On top of that, I genuily loved the 5-10 minutes long montage depicting Peter Parker's everyday life, because it was just such a classic Spider-Man moment. Sadly those elements are not enough to salvage the movie. The biggest problem is that the story has no focus. It is just clorified teaser for Spider-Man Cinematic Universe (mainly the Sinister Six movie), which never got off the ground. Even Spider-Man 3 was trying to be about revenge and how our choices shape us as people. TASM2 is just little side-segment in Peter Parker's life, which leads to almost none of scenes feeling like they have any importance, since they are not advantaging anything. The subplot about Peter's parents continues and it is even worse. They even start the movie with it, which is probably the most unengaging way you could have opened a Spider-Man movie. Not to mention how little sense things are starting to make. If Peter's parents were trying to disappear, why would they try to flee from the country in a private jet that was most likely provided for them by the very company they were trying to hide from? And if OsCorp has no problem with orchestrating their deaths, why was Gwen still alive after she snooped around and almost got caught (is not like they don't know that it was her)? Things even go to downright incompetant storytelling, when we have to suffer through Peter thinking that his parents were traitors and criminals, when we already know that isn't the case. Mysteries are only fun when the main character and the audience are on the same page in terms of what clues are available. The villains are better than The Lizard, but still rather weak. Electro from the comics is pretty much a blank slate in terms of personality and there isn't even one big definitive Electro story that you could use as your cornerstone, so the filmmakers and the actor can have as much freedom as they want with him and reinvent him however they want. In other words, I have no problem with them turning Max Dillon into a deranged weirdo (even though I can understand why so many people see him as a mean-spirited jab at comic book fans). What I do have problem with is that his story-arc doesn't make much sense. Throughout the whole movie, he is bullied by people working for OsCorp, OsCorp stole his invention and OsCorp's mad scientist tortures him, which leads to... him teaming-up with the son of OsCorp's founder to kill Spider-Man. Wouldn't the most logical step for him be going after the people who actually made his life miserable? This particular interpretation of Electro was actually done right in (criminally underrated) Spider-Man: The New Animated Series, where Max Dillon was Peter's schoolmate, who was bullied and tormented by his peers, and he actually goes after and tries to kill his tormentors once he gets his powers. That both makes sense and is easier to follow. Oh, and the fact that he got his powers from electric eels, but is still vulnerable to water makes no sense. Harry Osborn, on the other hand, has little to no redeeming qualities as a villain. Dane DeHaan is not terrible actor, but he pretty much plays Harry as two-dimensional snivelling loser who sneers a lot. He and Garfield don't have believable chemistry as former childhood friends, which might have been the point, but there's no tragedy in his turn to the dark-side, if he and Peter have barely any emotional connection. Harry's transformation and last minute fight with Spider-Man is also so rushed that it makes Venom in Spider-Man 3 look good in comparison. And, to be frank, his Goblin-design SUCKS! Seriously, after this Wicked Witch of the West - reject, no one is allowed to complain about Dafoe's Goblin mask. Oh, and the fact that Norman lived to somewhere around his 60s (if we use Chris Cooper's age as an indication of the character's age), but Harry acts like the goblin-disease will kill him in few days makes no sense. But what leaves the most sour taste in my mouth is the ending. Dear God, the ending sucks. They rushed the death of Gwen Stacy, not because they had cool or interesting take on it, but because of some perverse feeling of obligation, since people were expecting it to happen eventually. This means that Gwen's death has none of the emotional impact it had in the comics and the fact that Goblin killed her doesn't matter, since he and Spidey don't have the rivalry that has been escalating for years like in the comics. We don't even get any character development out of Peter from this, since most of his mourning happens off-screen and the movie ends with him being his usual jokey-self. There are other problems like the random Denis Leary-Ghost, out of place humorous moments (Rhino is killing God knows how many people and Spidey is just cracking jokes), Felicia Hardy in-name-only, OsCorp apparently creating all of the classic Spider-Man villains, sudden mood whiplashs and the most irresponsible mother of all-time (who brings their kid to watch a gunfight?), but those were the things that killed the movie most for me. So, I guess that leaves us with the million-dollar question: Which is worse, this or Spider-Man 3? Honestly, it kinda comes down to your personal taste, since they are bad in their own unique ways, while also sharing some common flaws. I think that I personally slightly prefer Spider-Man 3, since it is connected to two movies that I love, while TASM2 is connected to a movie that I despise. I will probably rewatch Spider-Man 3 again, but don't currently have any desire to revisit TASM2.
GameStation3 Haven't watched it, but I have read about it. Seems to me that it fixes some small flaws, but does nothing with elements that are the true detriment of the movie.
It still has the same problems as the Theatrical Version but them removing the Butler scene and the symbiote not being made out to be a joke like it was in the Theatrical Version automatically makes it the definitive version of Spider-Man 3. The restored music also gave it a different feeling from the first two movies since they took Elfman's score completely out.
This movie has all kinds of problems. But I think the biggest one was too many plot threads going at once. You could trim this movie down and sure maybe some performances wouldn't be enjoyed, but I think it'd be a really solid movie. Dump things like Peter's parents which didn't need to be here. And lean away from too many Sinister Six hints. It has good elements to it. I still like Garfield as Spider-Man. And the relationship with Peter and Gwen is strong. But it does have a lot going on and they needed to keep it simplified.
I personally think a movie where Peter and Harry work together to try and work out a potential cure has potential. Peter’s insistence on taking it slow because of what happened with Lizard frustrates Harry and this eventually causes him to take matters into his own hands.
I don't entirely hate this, but I can't say its good. I like the Peter real-life stuff, but the superhero shit keeps getting in the way, despite Electro & Green Goblin being unintentionally "great". BTW Spider-Man just leaving Electro after there fight is totally out of character for him, and made me furious as a fan.
Something that's bugged me since this film came out: the Roosevelt subway station car. Who built that? I mean, I assume it was Oscorp because of all the equipment inside, but if that's the case, shouldn't Oscorp have known about it? I'm guessing Richard Parker didn't build that facility, so if it was Oscorp, did they just forget about it all this time? Because if not, they would've known about Richard's message. Also, Cap, great to see that you'll be hard at work on that Riddler movie for the next Rewind. Looking forward to it.
To think out there in the Infinite multiverse theres one where Sony never gave up Spiderman and the world had to watch as Spiderman was stuck in sequels to these souless, messy, corporate PowerPoint presentations disguised as a movie... So happy I'm not in it...
I would love to see a Kick-Ass 2 superhero rewind, that's also a movie sequel that's a complete step in the wrong direction like I felt The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is
There is just so much wrong with this movie and I am so happy you went over it rather than just zeroing in on Gwen Stacy and how "great" she is or her chemistry with Garfield. All In all, This review was definitely a pleasant surprise.
As a guy who really liked the first Amazing movie, but acknowledge it had flaws, I don't hate this movie, don't give me wrong, I totally understand why so many people hate this movie, and I'm not going to say those people are wrong, but I do think this movie was alright, not nearly as good as the last movie, but just fine for me, I had fun with the action scenes and how they showed Spiderman's abilities, like stopping a police car, and saving those three people when Electro goes crazy, I thought Harry was okay, though I totally agree with you on the him going crazy way to early, the romance between Peter and Gwen was a big highlight and I love there chemistry. I'm not saying everyone should like this movie, though I still see Spiderman 3 as the worst, I completely understand why alot of people hated this, but I just think, for me, the good out weighed the bad, just a little bit.
I watched a lot of this movie for the first time today. That ending with the kid I thought was powerful and made me think of the kids at St. Jude. The only way that ending could've been better is if it were in a better movie.
As for the suit, Harry watches a video just before the head of Oscorp's board (can't remember his name) walks in and has him fired, and if I remember right, it said the suit has "healing capabilities", and when he gets into the suit, it starts healing him, since he's in a lot of pain during that scene. That's why he chooses the suit, as for it having a 7, I think that's stupid. You're trying to do a trilogy setting up the Sinister Six, and by the end of your second film, we only get one member, and he barely has any development.
What are the limits of that suit’s healing capabilities? It saved Harry from dying, so could it in theory also have helped his father? That’s something I’ve always wondered since i first saw the movie.
@@solarking952 idk. My best guess is that it’s not capable of curing retroviral hypoplasia, and that was just a side effect of the venom (remember, Harry is treating the mere possibility of death in 43 years as if he will die tomorrow, and Richard made the venom unusable for non-Parker’s).
@@claytonharbaugh308 To me it always seemed like the venom accelerated the disease, because Harry starts looking like his father did before he died for some reason. Does the movie ever clarify if that suit was recently made? Because holy moly, why would you not make more shit like that that can save a person when their literally at death’s door?
Actually, Harry finds out about the Goblin suit pretty early in the movie. It’s not long after Norman dies and he’s watching a video file on his dad and Peter’s.
A lot of issues with this one and reasons I hate it, but a big one to me this movie was the first example I saw of a movie visibly tearing itself apart to set up other movies, at least after an origin movie, like the issue would never stop because the movies would keep bending over backwards to set up another story rather than tell a good one at all.
Franchise movies should not be divisive. Period. They should either be perfect, good with possible room for improvement or terrible. Otherwise the creative team will not know where to go next and if they even should continue.
It's interesting to me that people still have beef with Spider Man 3 when that film does things that most superhero films do today that are seen as must haves and yet 3 is still seen as trash when really in so many ways it was ahead of its time.
Good job gr!,the cast did a good job but they tried to cram too much into this movie!,to me this movie is example that fan service doesn't make a good movie!
Harry didn't figure out that Peter was Spider-Man because he said Spider-Man gives people hope. He figured it out because Gwen was there. He sees Gwen, puts two and two together, then says "Peter. When you said Spider-Man said no, you meant you said no." He only talks about hope later on when he talks about taking away Peter's hope [Gwen] because Spider-Man took away his hope.
Nathan Snyder I agree. None of that stuff makes sense. I'm just pointing out Cap's inaccuracy when it came to the reason Harry figured out Peter's identity. He makes it seem like Peter's hope line is what tipped Harry off, when it was simply Gwen being near Spider-Man.
Nathan Snyder There was a scene where Harry reads up on his dad's files and the suit does pop up. I guess we're supposed to assume that's where he found out about the suit's healing capabilities. I want to know why he didn't immediately try the suit when he needed to find a cure. He seemed to know of its healing capabilities then why not see if that could have cured his disease. This stuff is hilarious!
Nathan Snyder Or in Transformers 5 where Cade all of a sudden summons a sword and is able to block a blow from a Transformer. A human being stopping a hit from a giant robot. Just wow. And he never uses that sword or his apparent super strength ever again, and it comes so late in the movie that despite its very weak setup it may as well have been a Deus Ex Machina.
Nathan Snyder I think the Martha moment plays much better than the Bumblebee voice moment. At least Martha has some narrative context. Bumblebee speaking and jogging Optimus Prime out of his evil, when the story only had him evil for 15 minutes is just silly.
I think the problem with Spider-Man is always Harry, his father becoming nuts is always hinted at but every time Harry does it his motivations are always from nowhere or not enough to us to care about, it always burns the franchise every time he pops up evil and then his motivations spread because if we buy his then everyone else gets a pass doing something similar, just food for thought
@@nifralo2752 Well, Norman’s last words were literally don’t tell Harry, implying that he doesn’t want his son to be hurt by all the things he did. Also, there was a scene where Norman apologizes to Harry for not always being there for him, which would make his death hit harder for Harry.
@@nifralo2752 You’re not wrong. What I’m getting at is Norman’s feelings towards Harry were complicated. Even though Harry wasn’t exactly what he was hoping for he still seems to love him deep down.
@@solarking952 maybe if Harry resented the attention Norman gave to Peter thus making it darkly ironic that Harry now seeks his fathers approval after he's dead so can't. Plus if Harry knows Peter is spiderman why dose he still chase after MJ? Shouldn't he hate her as well by proxy.
Don't what to review next? Well, Thor dark world and Justice league war for November, but you still need to do guardians of the galaxy and maybe some of the other DC animated films
You know, besides comparing The Amazing Spider-Man Duology to The Michael Bay produced Ninja Turtles Duology and The Dark Knight, Captain Logan...I think another good comparison is comparing them to All Five Seasons of Fox Kids' Spider-Man or even better comparing them to the Two Timothy Dalton James Bond films.
To put it lightly, I did not like this movie. Aside from the opening chase scene with Spider-man, this movie was a chore to sit through. From a romance story that went nowhere, to some of the clumsiest franchise building I've seen at that point. And the stuff I read about the plans for AMS3 from reviving the Stacys to a headless Norman Osborn sounded like the biggest clusterf*** I've ever heard. If nothing else (more than even Kevin Feige now having the access to the character) that is why I'm glad this version is... NO MORE.
This is a really good sequel. I like that they chose to explore more of the mystery of Peter's parents, and their ties to Oscorp. It's interesting that thanks to his father's work on the project that could potentially save many people, including Norman Osborn, and giving his DNA to it and the corporation's spiders, Peter's DNA is therefore given the ability to be altered and enhanced, with seemingly no drawbacks . This explains, and is unlike what happens with this series' new villains; Max Dillon and Harry Osborn, as well as the previous movie's Dr. Conors, who all definitely become more unhinged when they each have their body's mixed with the various specimen. Speaking of them, Electro feels like a fresh new pick for a villain in these live action movies. He's definitely enjoyable to watch, before and after the accident, as well as with Harry. Peter's friendship and chemistry with him was surprisingly very good and felt genuine. I definitely bought them being old pals who slowly become good friends again, as they were before Norman shipped Harry away. I'm also really glad we got more of the Peter-Gwen relationship, and saw Peter struggle with his promise to Captain Stacy, since Peter knew he endangered Gwen by having her close, but of course loves her too. I loved the idea Peter finally decided he wanted to be with Gwen forever, and go with her to London, which made it so much more upsetting when she died. Especially because he really tried hard to keep her out of harm's way and desperately save her. That whole scene was fantastically done and acted by Andrew Garfield, and that artistic touch of making the web look like his hand really gave that little emotional push for me. This film did most things really well, but also feels like an extended cut. This simply crams in a bit too much and would benefit more, if say Harry was still introduced here, but his battle with Peter and the death of Gwen were done in a sequel. I give this a 9/10! Actually, I also really feel they should've cut that Airplane subplot where it almost crashes with another, as it doesn't add at all to the story. Sidenotes, I wonder what Blackcat would've been like in this film series if Felicia did eventually become that. It's unfortunate this series had to end here because it was very enjoyable. Also, what is it with the number 63 popping up in this in one way or another; the floor Gwen was heading to when she met Max Dillon, Norman Osborn's age when he died, 63 appearing multiple times when Gwen was escaping Oscorp, which I know was also floor number 63 but I mean it's literally on the wall multiple times. And although actually 36, Peter's new home with his Aunt and Uncle. My guess is, it's the idea as a metaphor, of Richard Parker trying to leave his son away from the dangers of Oscorp.
I also thought Norman wasn't dead and that he actually faked his death cause why would you ever kill off The original Green Goblin in the lamest way possible with the disease the almost killed Alfred in Batman and Robin.
@@thomasjohnson1885 I'm the same way, although overall, I definitely prefer them to the Sam Raimi trilogy. I honestly feel like, similarly to the Tim Burton Batman movies, if it weren't for the fact that they were kinda the first theatrical films for their respective superheroes and one of each was pretty good, they'd honestly be panned far more heavily in comparison to other versions.
Sorry, Spider-Man 3 is easily better. That's not a sentence I say much. TASM2 is boring and a burden to watch. At least I can have fun with SM3. The action scenes are still great, Sandman, as flawed as he is, had a believable motivation, and the soundtrack was still remarkable even without Danny Elfman composing.
I just can't go with that. I can watch TASM2 and find some fun bits in it. Spider-Man 3 just annoys the hell out of me. That was one movie when I left the theater that I was glad to know it had killed that incarnation of Spider-Man. I didn't want to see another Spider-Man movie with any of the staff or actors involved. Unless I was rewatching the first two movies
You know what? To this day, I'll forever say both ASM movies are better movies than Homecoming, for one simple reason: Even amongst all the executive meddling, it still had a good idea of what Spider-Man is supposed to be, Homecoming on the other hand, has that same, harmful idea of who the character is, that has been shoved into the public with things like Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon, or heck, pretty much anything Marvel has done since OMD. Homecoming's Spider-Man is inept, an idiot, & instead of laughing with him, the movie wants us to laugh at him, he learns nothing from his mistakes, most he gets is a slap on the wrist & then he goes on to impress his senpai Tony Stark, escentially making it a Robin movie, which goes against the very idea behind the character's inception. I know it's weird talking about one movie when the subject here is another one, but I'm just trying to figure out why two adaptations that made a relatively decent job in at least grasping some of the ideas behind the original material are branded as "The worst thing ever" while a movie that actively seems to spit on the face of all which made the source what it was, is branded as "The Ultimate representation of Spider-Man ever".
"Travesty"? I'm sorry, but what is it exactly so bad about them to be considered "travesties"? Besides, "Not perfect"? Yeah, I think getting 99% of the character wrong is more than just "not perfect"... Just saying...
What's so bad about them? How about mischaracterization of Peter Parker, Awful portrayal of the villains, neglecting Uncle Ben to focus on Peter's dead boring parent's, getting the origin story wrong, bastardizing the Green Goblin/Osborn storyline, the focus on setting up a cashcow franchise above telling a story. The list quite frankly goes on. Homecoming has a better handle on the character of Spider-Man than both movies ever did
I'm sorry, "mischaracterization of Peter Parker" & "Homecoming has a better handle on the character of Spider-Man than both movies ever did"? Uh, hello!? The movie that turned Peter into an incompetent brat who had more in common with Miles & who's biggest motivation was to get the attention of his sempa Tony was BETTER!? & yeah! The movie that completely ignored Uncle Ben & replaced Peter's father figure with Iron Man was BETTER than the one that, you know, actually had him! Oh, & I'm sure there was NOTHING cashcow-esque about rebooting the character literally 2 years later, shoehorning him into CW where he does nothing, & making a non-origin story (because you know, people REALLY wanted to see an incompetent hero for a whole movie instead of one who kicks ass). & you know what's worse than bastardizing the Green Goblin? How about bastardizing the other 2 most important characters (Aunt May & Mary Jane, also wasting 2 good actresses). But I'll give you this, Keaton was good... Stuff like the "derp, I thought that was the anti-gravity gun" aside, him & his gang of criminals were the best part of the movie.
Have you ever read any Stan Lee/Steve Ditko Spider-Man? In those, Peter Parker was often incompetant and constantly made mistakes. Homecoming's Peter Parker was perfectly in-character. TASM movies, on the other hand, made him brooding pretty boy and douchebag.
I enjoyed Spider-Man 3 more then this peace of trash. At least it had some fun scenes in it. This movie is just stupid and it promises something to the fans and fails to deliver. People say Tobey didn't have any humor in his Spider-Man. He did have humor a lot in the first movie as well as the second when he was fighting OCK.
When Captain Logan asked if it was "important" to give the fans what they "want," I was immediately reminded of what Morgan Freeman, a.k.a. "God," said in Bruce Almighty, and it was, "People, don't really know, what they want, do they?"
12:24 The Dark Knight clocks in at 2 hours and 32 minutes, not 2 hours and 45 minutes. You're thinking of Dark Knight Rises.
I don't get why Spider-Man and Harry Osborn don't just mix their blood in a petri dish and watch the results under a microscope. That way Spider-Man gives a conclusive, scientific reason for why his blood won't help Harry.
Spencer Nielsen yeah why does Spiderman just refuse outright to at least test to see if his blood would work.
He actually did test it by himself.
The answer is that it is a shitty film with a horribly written script.
Great review, I agree with every point and opinions.
I'd say "Alien: Covenant" also suffered from trying to please everyone and changing to satisfy the internet (I remember how once they didn't plan to show any xenomorphs in the sequel which upset people so they changed it) and it ended up being a problematic hot mess pizza with things and characters that are interesting but then are used poorly.
On that point about the final shot of the film being spoiled in the trailer, the thing that winds me up about it is that, to me, a trailer's primary purpose is to entice you to see the film, so that you can see how the actions all connect together and, more appropriately in this case, to see what happens next.
So when a trailer says to me "Oh, you like that shot? Well come see our film to see the awesome set piece we have after that!", but then the film goes "Actually, this is literally where the movie ends - you'll need to see the next one to see what happens", then I start to feel a little cheated. It might just be me though!
I actually don't hate this movie, in fact I rather like it, not perfect, but I think it's decent and kind of a shame we didn't get to see a third installment, although I love Homecoming and it is my favorite spidey flick
I honestly didn't care for Homecoming and it's for a number of reasons.
1: Peter's motivation is selfish. His motive isn't 'with great power comes great responsibility, or i have a duty to help people. It's entirely about himself and getting Tony to recognize him and treat him like an adult.
2: Peter has no problems in his life. No money problems, no family problems, no friend problems, no girl problems, no reputation problems. His biggest problems are Flash teasing him (not even physically bullying him) and Tony treating him like a kid. That is nothing compared to the problems faced by every other Spider-man ever.
3: a lot of potentially great moments are used as throw away jokes. Aunt May discovers Peter is Spiderman, and a moment that should be huge, is used as a joke.
4: Peter never web-slings or cracks jokes. I don't know how many people caught this but for the entire movie Peter never once swings through the city, and only cracks a joke i think once or twice while fighting crocks.
Peter actually does web swing, cracks a couple of jokes, and has problems fitting in.
@@shadowspider9 him forcing the girl he likes to move isn't a struggle? Also, yeah he does still swing through the city.
I think The Death Of Gwen Stacy should have happen in The Amazing Spider-Man 3
But the ending of TASM1 was setting it up for this movie though. Besides, where else was there for Peter and Gwen to go. They killed Captain Stacy off in the first film and they wrote themselves in a corner because they didn't want to make Gwen look bad with her hating Spider-Man and not knowing Peter's identity.
I live for Captain Logan's food analogies.
Great job as always Captain. You make see Comic book movies in a different way than I had before.
His Superhero Rewinds of Spider-Man 2 and The Dark Knight is what made me appreciate those two films and why they are my two Favorite CBMs of all time.
Finally took forever to get it out! Another excellent review from Logan!
Hell yeah! Been watching you for years, Cap. Always a big deal to get a Superhero Rewind. ☺
12:16 The Dark Knight is 2 hours and 30 minutes. The running time that's onscreen is the one for Dark Knight Rises. Just thought that I'd point that out.
At the 8:50 mark, Spider-man DOES kill Electro in this. In Spider-man 3, he is under a bad influence and does luckily not kill anyone.
Matthew Smith Yeah, I shoulda said outta malice.
Geekvolution I know. Sorry for being a stickler. Good video, Cap!
I didn't like when you said you wanted Peter and MJ boiled alive in the original Spider-Man trilogy. Sure, I know you have your opinion about the romance, but I think that phrasing is a bit too harsh.
You're Proabably one of the only people I know that interpreted the the spidey blood thing as peter not saying no outright
Did anyone else think Harry and Electro's five minute team-up was weird and kind of hilarious? They have very little in common but they kinda act like they're buddies now and have been buddies for a long time, but only for five minutes. After that, they each return to whatever their original motivation was. At least, that's how I remember it.
I have to respectfully disagree with you on the Peter-Uncle Ben sequence in Spiderman 2 as being "outlandish", especially compared to the Dennis Leary hallucinations in this one. The sequence from Spiderman 2 was clearly a cinematic visualization of Peter's internal dialogue, a way for the audience to literally get inside his head and clearly understand his dilemma. Maybe not the most realistic, but its wonderful storytelling, and the scene itself is given the time and care it needs to effectively communicate itself to the audience. The Dennis Leary stuff here is, in my opinion, a cheap, easy trick to show Peter's struggle. Not to mention the fact that Peter is supposedly really seeing Dennis Leary scolding him, which for this "grounded" universe is just laughable if we're supposed to take it seriously as dramatic conflict.
I bet Dennis Leary beg to come back for the pay check so the writers said "fine have him Learying around!"
Gabriel Theis
I agree. In the heightened comic book world of the Raimi trilogy where Goblin bombs reduce you to cartoony skeletons and MJ is kidnapped every other day the Uncle Ben car sequence is not too outlandish and seems like it could work for a comic book.
Like you said, Peter literally seeing Captain Stacy everywhere is a little cheap and uninspired, and doesn’t work with the more grounded take it’s going for
He's questioning how Peter's even having this conversation with Ben.
In Sony’s defense, they had the right idea to try and tweak things with the sequel to make it more appealing to fans and a general audience. The first Amazing Spider-Man got fairly mixed reviews, and considering it was a rights-grab reboot, directed by a former indie director and suffered from some boneheaded editing post-production that cut out several scenes that would have made the film feel more complete and at least a little more interesting, it’s not surprising that a lot of people (myself included) weren’t won over by it. By all accounts, it needed improving. But considering Sony (as far as I understand it), were no longer in a mad rush to hold on to the rights, they could have given Mark Webb more time to think over the script or hired some other experienced filmmaker to help him out, but no. Sony has to be Sony. They have to micromanage everything and they are more superficial, impulsive and reactionary than a teen who didn’t care to do their homework until the eleventh hour. And they have to have their own cinematic universe, yesterday.
They should have frontloaded Electro as the main villain and developed him more, as Raimi’s trilogy gave us plenty of Osborn and Green Goblin content for a while, they should have put Harry more in the background and just planted the seeds for his character arc in the next film. The death of Gwen Stacy also felt like a stupid and shortsighted decision. Yes, her death was a big deal in the comics……in 1973. Back then, it was shocking and nuanced, and it paved the way for comics to take bigger risks and have the heroes fail to save their loved ones. But that’s the thing, it’s the original example, or at least the one that popularized the trope. By 2014, it meant nothing, it had become a tired cliché. They either should have kept Gwen alive or at least held off killing her off until the third movie, and worked in her death more naturally into the story there, instead of making it just another checkbox of Spider-man tropes mandates by the studio to placate the fans.
I've waited oh so long for this. Great as always!
Cap the Dark Knight was 2:32:00. The Dark Knight Rises was 2:45:00. Not to be nitpicky but you switched up the times.
I miss these Rewinds ...good to see them back!
I think most people are forgiving of Spider Man 3 compared to ASM2 because it's the kind of watchable mess that you don't forget because Raimi just has that style and finesse to his directing while ASM2 is just a bland and all over the place mess because too many people had too many ideas that never found their way past the polishing stage.
I'd rather watch this tbh.
True and 3 followed a really good movie while ASM 2 followed an ok one. And ASM2 is pretty much a remake of 3 which is odd
No it is not.
I think the reason I think of this as a better film than Spider-Man 3 is that I can at least see a decent film buried in the mess. There's a fair few elements that would need to be hacked out and others that would need rearranging but the pieces that work are pieces that I find immensely enjoyable.That makes it frustrating, but I can't call it the 'absence of good' that makes a film genuinely bad, at least in my eyes.
As for the coincidence of the spider bite, I don't necessarily think this makes it worse, per say, since it's the fact that Peter is Richard Parker's son that led Peter to his work place. It is still a coincidence that Norman's assistant was there, but not that only Peter and Uncle Ben could've gotten powers. If some other completely random scientist (let's say Smythe) had been working on the spider formula, and just so happened to use Richard's blood, then I think it would be a coincidence, since the connection would be unlikely, but it really doesn't feel any more unlikely than it was in TASM 1.
Since Cap's next novel is supposed to be food-related, I now fully expect there to be a "foreshadowing cake" somewhere in there.
From what I’ve read online, in the original script, Peter WAS gonna give Harry his blood to cure him, and honestly… they really should’ve done that. I know at first it seems even MORE reckless than the final film but hear me out:
1. If we had spend more time with Peter and Harry bonding as friends, and made them a platonic equivalent to Peter and Gwen, you would immediately understand why Peter would be desperate to save his best friend. Especially when it seems like he and Gwen were on the verge of ending for good, you would get his desperation of not wanting to lose his best friend AND his girlfriend at the same time.
2. I love the idea of the ironic twist that Peter ends up losing both of them anyway in the EXACT OPPOSITE WAYS he expects to, by having GWEN be the one who dies and Peter ending on bad terms with Harry.
3. This part is me rewriting the movie but… instead of Peter’s dad betraying Osborn, why not have it be the EXACT SAME scenario like Peter and Harry’s where both feel obligated and also are pressured into curing their friend, thinking they’re doing the right thing, but end up making things worse? What if Richard DID try to invent a cure for Norman and it instead made his condition worse with the “goblin like” side effects, and THAT’S WHY he puts a hit out on Richard and why he and his wife go on the run?
Correction Cap: The Dark Knight Rises clocks in at 2 hours 45 minutes. The Dark Knight clocks in at 2:32, about 10 minutes longer than Amazing Spider-Man 2. Your point remains the same, I only bring this up in an effort to win a no-prize.
Conner Nielsen Yeah I dunno what happened there. I thought it was about 1:30:00, looked it up to be exact, and I must have been looking at Rises run time
Agreed that Amazing Spider-Man 2 was not so amazing. I wish they could figure out a solitary focus for this movie without dragging along 3 villains for no practical reason besides fulfilling their weaponized serialization agenda for the mceu.
@12:23 the dark knight only had a run time of 2hr 32min.
I personally really like the first Amazing Spider-Man movie and I love Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man. Say what you want about his looks but for me performance is far more important and I would go as far as saying he's better than Tobey Maguire. I hesitate to say that the overall movie is necessarily better than the Raimi movies with the obviously exception of the third one but I think it's pretty solid. Peter's love story/relationship with Gwen is fantastic and handled way better than Peter's relationship with Mary Jane in the original trilogy. The most problematic thing about the movie is definitely the villain.
But overall as a Spider-Man fan I really liked that movie. As hard as they tried though, I don't think they necessarily justified retelling the origin. If they gave us a story without the origin I think this would've been a much better film and people would look back on it more fondly. But as far as this sequel goes, I pretty much agree with you. I don't hate this movie. There's a lot I like. Andrew Garfield is still fantastic as Spider-Man. I love the new costume and it's still my favorite Spider-Man suit that we've had a screen. The web-swinging is handled beautifully and is the best it's ever been. I don't hate this movie. It's not good but there's a lot I like.,
I'm also super into this Spider-Man film, glad that the hate on it is lessening even in the wake of a new one.
Scott Mccall This.
As for the Goblin knowing Peter's Spider Man, he doesn't say any of that, he *does* just look menacingly at Gwen and captures her. And while I'm on the subject, I actually do like how Gwen's death is changed from falling off of a bridge to falling through a clock tower. All of Peter's desperate attempts to stop the Goblin from killing her involve him having to stop different gears and moving parts from the clock, as if Peter has to stop time in order to save Gwen, metaphorically of course, but can't because Gwen's death is as inevitable as time moving forward, like clockwork.
ASM2 is such a mess, but at the same time I am fascinated by it. It is still really fun in places and clearly had some great ideas or at least ideas that the people working on it were passionate about. It then gets bogged down by corporate bull and least common denominator stuff. I do not hate ASM2 cause I see Webb's passion under the trash. That does not fix the issues but it does make me both more saddened and more interested in it than before.
Idk I feel the actors have a lot of enjoyment with their roles
28:00 Cap, the difference between stalking and romantic is if the girl likes you. If she likes you it's romantic. If she doesn't it's stalking. Seriously. I don't know much about women, but I do know that.
This film is a mess...and yet, I find myself actually enjoying it anyway.
Wait, you said that at the end it would have been much better if Harry discovers who Spidey is by looking at Gwen and Spidey alone at the same time after defeating Electro, rather than because of the hero speech. But... It's exactly how he discovers it, doesn't it? I've rewatched it maybe two months or so and it's exactly what I recall!
But whatever, great in-depth analysis as usual, I have the same problems as you with the movie, but for me Spider-Man is a character that's half-defined by his love stories, so I like this movie a lot, despite having some lackluster moments.
Alexandre Gouveia lol Yeah it is-- the point I was making is that scene should have done away with the "I put it together at the river" line.
Spider-man's life is a never ending train is sadness, misery and death!
Always love your food analogies Cap!
Hey Cap, are you going to do any Rewinds for Logan, Homecoming, etc?? Just wanted to say that we love your analysis of these films
Hey thanks! I'll get to those eventually. I always wait at least two years after a film comes out before I give it the Rewind treatment.
Geekvolution great looking forward to it!
Geekvolution - I think you are a little too hard on Peter and MJ's relationship in the Sam Raimi Trilogy.
No mention about any of the deleted MJ scenes?
Kinda hard to say anything about them if Sony hasn't released them.
Oh for real? I thought they were included as deleted scenes on the DVD (haven't watched it since the theater) I knew I heard a bunch of content was tacked on as extras but I didn't know what. My bad
I watched the ending only and thought that Capt was wrong. Watching the whole thing I think he was right. Maybe a bit understated actually. This film really is a mess between the Electro, Richard/Mary Parker and Green Goblin storylines. If it was edited better probably not.
Next time on superhero rewind: Riddler The Movie
I don't know if you watched the movie while writing this, but that's exactly how Harry figures out Peter is Spider-Man. He looks at Gwen and Spider-Man a few times and puts it together.
He mentions that in the video.
I didn't particularly care for the first TASM movie and the trailers for this movie were waving all the possible red flags, so I didn't go see this in theater and all the bad reviews made sure that I had no interest to catch it up later on DVD. But because I wanted to watch all the previous Spider-Man movies before Homecoming, I went to a flea market and bought the cheapest copy that I could find (1 euro, if you are curious) and finally sat down to watch it. I hate to admit it, but I didn't completely hate it. Sure, it is by no means a good movie and my expectations being at the rock-bottom probably helped a lot (if I ever rewatch this movie, I doubt I would be as lenient on it), but it was much more pleasant viewing experience than the first TASM movie.
What elements did I like exactly? Well, the best part of the previous movie, I.E. Peter/Gwen romance, was even better here. Now they are interacting like an actual mature couple rather than two romantic comedy stereotypes. They love always feels genuine and the chemistry between Garfield and Stone is perfect. I also found Garfield's Peter Parker much more likeable this time around. Sure, he still can't act like actual outcast nerd to save his life, but he isn't being selfish dick anymore and seems to actually care about aunt May. The more cheerful and comedic tone also helps to make some of the goofier moments feel less out of place, and the film simply is more pleasing to the eyes since, unlike the previous movie, it remembers that colors exist. On top of that, I genuily loved the 5-10 minutes long montage depicting Peter Parker's everyday life, because it was just such a classic Spider-Man moment.
Sadly those elements are not enough to salvage the movie.
The biggest problem is that the story has no focus. It is just clorified teaser for Spider-Man Cinematic Universe (mainly the Sinister Six movie), which never got off the ground. Even Spider-Man 3 was trying to be about revenge and how our choices shape us as people. TASM2 is just little side-segment in Peter Parker's life, which leads to almost none of scenes feeling like they have any importance, since they are not advantaging anything.
The subplot about Peter's parents continues and it is even worse. They even start the movie with it, which is probably the most unengaging way you could have opened a Spider-Man movie. Not to mention how little sense things are starting to make. If Peter's parents were trying to disappear, why would they try to flee from the country in a private jet that was most likely provided for them by the very company they were trying to hide from? And if OsCorp has no problem with orchestrating their deaths, why was Gwen still alive after she snooped around and almost got caught (is not like they don't know that it was her)? Things even go to downright incompetant storytelling, when we have to suffer through Peter thinking that his parents were traitors and criminals, when we already know that isn't the case. Mysteries are only fun when the main character and the audience are on the same page in terms of what clues are available.
The villains are better than The Lizard, but still rather weak.
Electro from the comics is pretty much a blank slate in terms of personality and there isn't even one big definitive Electro story that you could use as your cornerstone, so the filmmakers and the actor can have as much freedom as they want with him and reinvent him however they want. In other words, I have no problem with them turning Max Dillon into a deranged weirdo (even though I can understand why so many people see him as a mean-spirited jab at comic book fans). What I do have problem with is that his story-arc doesn't make much sense. Throughout the whole movie, he is bullied by people working for OsCorp, OsCorp stole his invention and OsCorp's mad scientist tortures him, which leads to... him teaming-up with the son of OsCorp's founder to kill Spider-Man. Wouldn't the most logical step for him be going after the people who actually made his life miserable? This particular interpretation of Electro was actually done right in (criminally underrated) Spider-Man: The New Animated Series, where Max Dillon was Peter's schoolmate, who was bullied and tormented by his peers, and he actually goes after and tries to kill his tormentors once he gets his powers. That both makes sense and is easier to follow. Oh, and the fact that he got his powers from electric eels, but is still vulnerable to water makes no sense.
Harry Osborn, on the other hand, has little to no redeeming qualities as a villain. Dane DeHaan is not terrible actor, but he pretty much plays Harry as two-dimensional snivelling loser who sneers a lot. He and Garfield don't have believable chemistry as former childhood friends, which might have been the point, but there's no tragedy in his turn to the dark-side, if he and Peter have barely any emotional connection. Harry's transformation and last minute fight with Spider-Man is also so rushed that it makes Venom in Spider-Man 3 look good in comparison. And, to be frank, his Goblin-design SUCKS! Seriously, after this Wicked Witch of the West - reject, no one is allowed to complain about Dafoe's Goblin mask. Oh, and the fact that Norman lived to somewhere around his 60s (if we use Chris Cooper's age as an indication of the character's age), but Harry acts like the goblin-disease will kill him in few days makes no sense.
But what leaves the most sour taste in my mouth is the ending. Dear God, the ending sucks. They rushed the death of Gwen Stacy, not because they had cool or interesting take on it, but because of some perverse feeling of obligation, since people were expecting it to happen eventually. This means that Gwen's death has none of the emotional impact it had in the comics and the fact that Goblin killed her doesn't matter, since he and Spidey don't have the rivalry that has been escalating for years like in the comics. We don't even get any character development out of Peter from this, since most of his mourning happens off-screen and the movie ends with him being his usual jokey-self.
There are other problems like the random Denis Leary-Ghost, out of place humorous moments (Rhino is killing God knows how many people and Spidey is just cracking jokes), Felicia Hardy in-name-only, OsCorp apparently creating all of the classic Spider-Man villains, sudden mood whiplashs and the most irresponsible mother of all-time (who brings their kid to watch a gunfight?), but those were the things that killed the movie most for me. So, I guess that leaves us with the million-dollar question: Which is worse, this or Spider-Man 3? Honestly, it kinda comes down to your personal taste, since they are bad in their own unique ways, while also sharing some common flaws. I think that I personally slightly prefer Spider-Man 3, since it is connected to two movies that I love, while TASM2 is connected to a movie that I despise. I will probably rewatch Spider-Man 3 again, but don't currently have any desire to revisit TASM2.
TheWolverine1987 - Ever watched the Spider-Man 3 Editor's Cut?
GameStation3 Haven't watched it, but I have read about it. Seems to me that it fixes some small flaws, but does nothing with elements that are the true detriment of the movie.
Even so, it's still a better movie.
Better =/= Good
I recommend people watch the Spider-Man 3 Editor's Cut. Is it a better movie than the theatrical cut.
GameStation3 It might not seem like much, but I do think it improves upon the theatrical somewhat. The restored music is a big plus as well.
It still has the same problems as the Theatrical Version but them removing the Butler scene and the symbiote not being made out to be a joke like it was in the Theatrical Version automatically makes it the definitive version of Spider-Man 3. The restored music also gave it a different feeling from the first two movies since they took Elfman's score completely out.
GameStation3 I would definitely watch it... if it was actually available in the UK
This collection is region free: www.amazon.com/Spider-Man-Trilogy-Limited-Collection-Blu-ray/dp/B06XZ588HB
Yeah, but then I'd have to watch Spider-Man 3 again....Someone would have to have a gun on me to make me go there.
I actually like how u actually analyze asm instead of making a rant about how Sony was ruining Spiderman
Although that Sony was is a fair point, lol, but it deserves more analysis of why than ranting the statement.
SONY should have told a good story instead of setting up 10 different sequels and spin-offs.
Indeed. They're at it again in that new 'Mummy' film.
That's Universal.
I meant the writers.
Roberto Orci didn't work on The Mummy.
But Kurtzman did. And it suffered from much of same suckitude as TASM2 from what I've heard.
48:24 Is that really why? I remember it being because he saw him with Gwen.
Edit: oh you do talk about that later
This movie has all kinds of problems. But I think the biggest one was too many plot threads going at once. You could trim this movie down and sure maybe some performances wouldn't be enjoyed, but I think it'd be a really solid movie. Dump things like Peter's parents which didn't need to be here. And lean away from too many Sinister Six hints.
It has good elements to it. I still like Garfield as Spider-Man. And the relationship with Peter and Gwen is strong. But it does have a lot going on and they needed to keep it simplified.
I personally think a movie where Peter and Harry work together to try and work out a potential cure has potential. Peter’s insistence on taking it slow because of what happened with Lizard frustrates Harry and this eventually causes him to take matters into his own hands.
I don't entirely hate this, but I can't say its good. I like the Peter real-life stuff, but the superhero shit keeps getting in the way, despite Electro & Green Goblin being unintentionally "great".
BTW Spider-Man just leaving Electro after there fight is totally out of character for him, and made me furious as a fan.
How so? He dealt with the threat and left him to be taken in by the cops... Sounds like Spider-man to me
43:17 - Harry DID ask Peter for his side of the story. A few times, in fact.
I come to superhero rewind for the food analogies.
Something that's bugged me since this film came out: the Roosevelt subway station car. Who built that? I mean, I assume it was Oscorp because of all the equipment inside, but if that's the case, shouldn't Oscorp have known about it? I'm guessing Richard Parker didn't build that facility, so if it was Oscorp, did they just forget about it all this time? Because if not, they would've known about Richard's message.
Also, Cap, great to see that you'll be hard at work on that Riddler movie for the next Rewind. Looking forward to it.
To think out there in the Infinite multiverse theres one where Sony never gave up Spiderman and the world had to watch as Spiderman was stuck in sequels to these souless, messy, corporate PowerPoint presentations disguised as a movie... So happy I'm not in it...
41:43 oh god maybe they were planning a crossover. I don’t remember who had those rights.
“The Amazing Spider-Man 3: Shell Shocked”
I'd be very interested to see your thoughts on the Amazing Spider-Man games' stories.
Love your new logo!!!
I would love to see a Kick-Ass 2 superhero rewind, that's also a movie sequel that's a complete step in the wrong direction like I felt The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is
Why does the audio after the intro sound like it was recorded through a dsl skype convo?
the dark knight was 2 : 32. the dark knight rises was 2 : 45. got that a bit mixed up, mate. 12:16 in the vid
nick cattelan Whoops!
I never bothered to see this in theaters,It's the only Spider-Man film I skipped in theaters.
Atleast you can sum up the plot of Spiderman 3. I left not knowing what the plot of this even was. I still don't know lmao.
We need a superhero rewind for iron man 3 thor 2 tmnt 2014 and Guardians of the galaxy
31:12 Spectacular...Amazing...Superior
Did you do that on purpose?
Nashking20 lol Yes indeedy
There is just so much wrong with this movie and I am so happy you went over it rather than just zeroing in on Gwen Stacy and how "great" she is or her chemistry with Garfield.
All In all, This review was definitely a pleasant surprise.
The Dark Knight clocks in at two hours and 32 minutes cap! Including credits
Next Superhero Rewind coming next year.
As a guy who really liked the first Amazing movie, but acknowledge it had flaws, I don't hate this movie, don't give me wrong, I totally understand why so many people hate this movie, and I'm not going to say those people are wrong, but I do think this movie was alright, not nearly as good as the last movie, but just fine for me, I had fun with the action scenes and how they showed Spiderman's abilities, like stopping a police car, and saving those three people when Electro goes crazy, I thought Harry was okay, though I totally agree with you on the him going crazy way to early, the romance between Peter and Gwen was a big highlight and I love there chemistry. I'm not saying everyone should like this movie, though I still see Spiderman 3 as the worst, I completely understand why alot of people hated this, but I just think, for me, the good out weighed the bad, just a little bit.
Great review
Sandman is actually an overlooked performance and best in Spiderman three
The Sandman/Flint Marko in Spiderman 3. just seemed like a combo of Ernest P. Worrell and Jean Valjean to me.
Angelus - There's absolutely nothing about Sandman that reminded me of Ernest. What are you talking about?
GameStation Mostly his face and awkward talk.
That's just how Thomas Haden Church normally looks!
Could you possibly review V for Vendetta in the near future and revisit/redo your 2 Hellboy reviews sometime by next year for the upcoming reboot?
I watched a lot of this movie for the first time today. That ending with the kid I thought was powerful and made me think of the kids at St. Jude. The only way that ending could've been better is if it were in a better movie.
As for the suit, Harry watches a video just before the head of Oscorp's board (can't remember his name) walks in and has him fired, and if I remember right, it said the suit has "healing capabilities", and when he gets into the suit, it starts healing him, since he's in a lot of pain during that scene. That's why he chooses the suit, as for it having a 7, I think that's stupid. You're trying to do a trilogy setting up the Sinister Six, and by the end of your second film, we only get one member, and he barely has any development.
What are the limits of that suit’s healing capabilities? It saved Harry from dying, so could it in theory also have helped his father? That’s something I’ve always wondered since i first saw the movie.
@@solarking952 idk. My best guess is that it’s not capable of curing retroviral hypoplasia, and that was just a side effect of the venom (remember, Harry is treating the mere possibility of death in 43 years as if he will die tomorrow, and Richard made the venom unusable for non-Parker’s).
@@claytonharbaugh308 To me it always seemed like the venom accelerated the disease, because Harry starts looking like his father did before he died for some reason. Does the movie ever clarify if that suit was recently made? Because holy moly, why would you not make more shit like that that can save a person when their literally at death’s door?
Actually, Harry finds out about the Goblin suit pretty early in the movie. It’s not long after Norman dies and he’s watching a video file on his dad and Peter’s.
A lot of issues with this one and reasons I hate it, but a big one to me this movie was the first example I saw of a movie visibly tearing itself apart to set up other movies, at least after an origin movie, like the issue would never stop because the movies would keep bending over backwards to set up another story rather than tell a good one at all.
Franchise movies should not be divisive. Period. They should either be perfect, good with possible room for improvement or terrible. Otherwise the creative team will not know where to go next and if they even should continue.
the singer of the superhero rewind theme sounds like manos singing
Kevin Fucking Spacey my opinion.
It's interesting to me that people still have beef with Spider Man 3 when that film does things that most superhero films do today that are seen as must haves and yet 3 is still seen as trash when really in so many ways it was ahead of its time.
I still like this movie, warts an all. Also still the best Spidey suit, if only it had the moving white eyes and it would be perfect.
Good job gr!,the cast did a good job but they tried to cram too much into this movie!,to me this movie is example that fan service doesn't make a good movie!
Harry didn't figure out that Peter was Spider-Man because he said Spider-Man gives people hope. He figured it out because Gwen was there. He sees Gwen, puts two and two together, then says "Peter. When you said Spider-Man said no, you meant you said no." He only talks about hope later on when he talks about taking away Peter's hope [Gwen] because Spider-Man took away his hope.
Nathan Snyder
I agree. None of that stuff makes sense. I'm just pointing out Cap's inaccuracy when it came to the reason Harry figured out Peter's identity. He makes it seem like Peter's hope line is what tipped Harry off, when it was simply Gwen being near Spider-Man.
Nathan Snyder
There was a scene where Harry reads up on his dad's files and the suit does pop up. I guess we're supposed to assume that's where he found out about the suit's healing capabilities. I want to know why he didn't immediately try the suit when he needed to find a cure. He seemed to know of its healing capabilities then why not see if that could have cured his disease. This stuff is hilarious!
Nathan Snyder
Or in Transformers 5 where Cade all of a sudden summons a sword and is able to block a blow from a Transformer. A human being stopping a hit from a giant robot. Just wow.
And he never uses that sword or his apparent super strength ever again, and it comes so late in the movie that despite its very weak setup it may as well have been a Deus Ex Machina.
Nathan Snyder
You know something is awful when you want to apologize to BvS.
Nathan Snyder
I think the Martha moment plays much better than the Bumblebee voice moment. At least Martha has some narrative context. Bumblebee speaking and jogging Optimus Prime out of his evil, when the story only had him evil for 15 minutes is just silly.
I think the problem with Spider-Man is always Harry, his father becoming nuts is always hinted at but every time Harry does it his motivations are always from nowhere or not enough to us to care about, it always burns the franchise every time he pops up evil and then his motivations spread because if we buy his then everyone else gets a pass doing something similar, just food for thought
DreBone1986 true even in Ramis Spiderman it's weak because yes he thinks Peter killed his dad but Norman openly admitted he dosent care about him.
@@nifralo2752 Well, Norman’s last words were literally don’t tell Harry, implying that he doesn’t want his son to be hurt by all the things he did. Also, there was a scene where Norman apologizes to Harry for not always being there for him, which would make his death hit harder for Harry.
@@solarking952 yeah but that dosent change the fact that Norman clearly perfers Peter to Harry.
@@nifralo2752 You’re not wrong. What I’m getting at is Norman’s feelings towards Harry were complicated. Even though Harry wasn’t exactly what he was hoping for he still seems to love him deep down.
@@solarking952 maybe if Harry resented the attention Norman gave to Peter thus making it darkly ironic that Harry now seeks his fathers approval after he's dead so can't.
Plus if Harry knows Peter is spiderman why dose he still chase after MJ? Shouldn't he hate her as well by proxy.
As a Spidey fan it is true. We Webheads will go to see any Spidey film out of interest
Don't what to review next? Well, Thor dark world and Justice league war for November, but you still need to do guardians of the galaxy and maybe some of the other DC animated films
You know, besides comparing The Amazing Spider-Man Duology to The Michael Bay produced Ninja Turtles Duology and The Dark Knight, Captain Logan...I think another good comparison is comparing them to All Five Seasons of Fox Kids' Spider-Man or even better comparing them to the Two Timothy Dalton James Bond films.
To put it lightly, I did not like this movie. Aside from the opening chase scene with Spider-man, this movie was a chore to sit through. From a romance story that went nowhere, to some of the clumsiest franchise building I've seen at that point. And the stuff I read about the plans for AMS3 from reviving the Stacys to a headless Norman Osborn sounded like the biggest clusterf*** I've ever heard.
If nothing else (more than even Kevin Feige now having the access to the character) that is why I'm glad this version is... NO MORE.
This is a really good sequel. I like that they chose to explore more of the mystery of Peter's parents, and their ties to Oscorp. It's interesting that thanks to his father's work on the project that could potentially save many people, including Norman Osborn, and giving his DNA to it and the corporation's spiders, Peter's DNA is therefore given the ability to be altered and enhanced, with seemingly no drawbacks . This explains, and is unlike what happens with this series' new villains; Max Dillon and Harry Osborn, as well as the previous movie's Dr. Conors, who all definitely become more unhinged when they each have their body's mixed with the various specimen. Speaking of them, Electro feels like a fresh new pick for a villain in these live action movies. He's definitely enjoyable to watch, before and after the accident, as well as with Harry. Peter's friendship and chemistry with him was surprisingly very good and felt genuine. I definitely bought them being old pals who slowly become good friends again, as they were before Norman shipped Harry away. I'm also really glad we got more of the Peter-Gwen relationship, and saw Peter struggle with his promise to Captain Stacy, since Peter knew he endangered Gwen by having her close, but of course loves her too. I loved the idea Peter finally decided he wanted to be with Gwen forever, and go with her to London, which made it so much more upsetting when she died. Especially because he really tried hard to keep her out of harm's way and desperately save her. That whole scene was fantastically done and acted by Andrew Garfield, and that artistic touch of making the web look like his hand really gave that little emotional push for me. This film did most things really well, but also feels like an extended cut. This simply crams in a bit too much and would benefit more, if say Harry was still introduced here, but his battle with Peter and the death of Gwen were done in a sequel. I give this a 9/10! Actually, I also really feel they should've cut that Airplane subplot where it almost crashes with another, as it doesn't add at all to the story. Sidenotes, I wonder what Blackcat would've been like in this film series if Felicia did eventually become that. It's unfortunate this series had to end here because it was very enjoyable. Also, what is it with the number 63 popping up in this in one way or another; the floor Gwen was heading to when she met Max Dillon, Norman Osborn's age when he died, 63 appearing multiple times when Gwen was escaping Oscorp, which I know was also floor number 63 but I mean it's literally on the wall multiple times. And although actually 36, Peter's new home with his Aunt and Uncle. My guess is, it's the idea as a metaphor, of Richard Parker trying to leave his son away from the dangers of Oscorp.
but IS steak tastier than pizza??
Sony just being Sony, not getting how logic works. Emoji Movie is Sony execs: the movie, this is what happens when idiots make a movie.
realar emoji movie is the best thing next to the birth of Jesus
You CANNOT be serious. That film is the EPITOME of garbage. Worse, it's mainstream and not even fun bad.
Nathan Snyder I am autistic, I can't read sarcasm unless specified as such.
I'll likely never understand the hatred for this one.
I also thought Norman wasn't dead and that he actually faked his death cause why would you ever kill off The original Green Goblin in the lamest way possible with the disease the almost killed Alfred in Batman and Robin.
I personally love the Amazing Spider-man films, but to each their own.
First one yes the sequel no, but your opinion I respect
@@thomasjohnson1885 I'm the same way, although overall, I definitely prefer them to the Sam Raimi trilogy. I honestly feel like, similarly to the Tim Burton Batman movies, if it weren't for the fact that they were kinda the first theatrical films for their respective superheroes and one of each was pretty good, they'd honestly be panned far more heavily in comparison to other versions.
Now please do The Legend of Zorro!
Sorry, Spider-Man 3 is easily better. That's not a sentence I say much. TASM2 is boring and a burden to watch. At least I can have fun with SM3. The action scenes are still great, Sandman, as flawed as he is, had a believable motivation, and the soundtrack was still remarkable even without Danny Elfman composing.
Sorry but spiderman 3 was way worse!
Yeah, even though it's a bad movie, it's still a lot of fun. But the Amazing Spider-Mans are just plain bad. There's 0 enjoyment to he had
I don't know why, but I absolutely adore the emo Peter scenes in Spider-Man 3, lol
I just can't go with that. I can watch TASM2 and find some fun bits in it. Spider-Man 3 just annoys the hell out of me. That was one movie when I left the theater that I was glad to know it had killed that incarnation of Spider-Man. I didn't want to see another Spider-Man movie with any of the staff or actors involved. Unless I was rewatching the first two movies
Nathan Snyder And honestly the most the symbiote does will do is give him a bunch of confidence. It's not actually gonna make him cool.
Can you do a "Suicide Squad" Superhero rewind sometime soon.
You know what? To this day, I'll forever say both ASM movies are better movies than Homecoming, for one simple reason: Even amongst all the executive meddling, it still had a good idea of what Spider-Man is supposed to be, Homecoming on the other hand, has that same, harmful idea of who the character is, that has been shoved into the public with things like Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon, or heck, pretty much anything Marvel has done since OMD.
Homecoming's Spider-Man is inept, an idiot, & instead of laughing with him, the movie wants us to laugh at him, he learns nothing from his mistakes, most he gets is a slap on the wrist & then he goes on to impress his senpai Tony Stark, escentially making it a Robin movie, which goes against the very idea behind the character's inception.
I know it's weird talking about one movie when the subject here is another one, but I'm just trying to figure out why two adaptations that made a relatively decent job in at least grasping some of the ideas behind the original material are branded as "The worst thing ever" while a movie that actively seems to spit on the face of all which made the source what it was, is branded as "The Ultimate representation of Spider-Man ever".
Spider-Man Homecoming may not be perfect but it's easily superior to both of those travesties.
"Travesty"?
I'm sorry, but what is it exactly so bad about them to be considered "travesties"?
Besides, "Not perfect"? Yeah, I think getting 99% of the character wrong is more than just "not perfect"... Just saying...
What's so bad about them? How about mischaracterization of Peter Parker, Awful portrayal of the villains, neglecting Uncle Ben to focus on Peter's dead boring parent's, getting the origin story wrong, bastardizing the Green Goblin/Osborn storyline, the focus on setting up a cashcow franchise above telling a story. The list quite frankly goes on.
Homecoming has a better handle on the character of Spider-Man than both movies ever did
I'm sorry, "mischaracterization of Peter Parker" & "Homecoming has a better handle on the character of Spider-Man than both movies ever did"?
Uh, hello!? The movie that turned Peter into an incompetent brat who had more in common with Miles & who's biggest motivation was to get the attention of his sempa Tony was BETTER!?
& yeah! The movie that completely ignored Uncle Ben & replaced Peter's father figure with Iron Man was BETTER than the one that, you know, actually had him!
Oh, & I'm sure there was NOTHING cashcow-esque about rebooting the character literally 2 years later, shoehorning him into CW where he does nothing, & making a non-origin story (because you know, people REALLY wanted to see an incompetent hero for a whole movie instead of one who kicks ass).
& you know what's worse than bastardizing the Green Goblin? How about bastardizing the other 2 most important characters (Aunt May & Mary Jane, also wasting 2 good actresses).
But I'll give you this, Keaton was good... Stuff like the "derp, I thought that was the anti-gravity gun" aside, him & his gang of criminals were the best part of the movie.
Have you ever read any Stan Lee/Steve Ditko Spider-Man? In those, Peter Parker was often incompetant and constantly made mistakes. Homecoming's Peter Parker was perfectly in-character. TASM movies, on the other hand, made him brooding pretty boy and douchebag.
I saw this movie once. Just once.
Superhero rewind, more like Romantic Comedy rewind
Ghostbusters actually got decent reviews. 75% on RT isn't poor
Christian Ogden It's still Sony being Sony, but with a feminazi agenda.
4:30 No instead they had a Green Arrow.
I enjoyed Spider-Man 3 more then this peace of trash. At least it had some fun scenes in it. This movie is just stupid and it promises something to the fans and fails to deliver. People say Tobey didn't have any humor in his Spider-Man. He did have humor a lot in the first movie as well as the second when he was fighting OCK.
Pretty much agreed with everything except the elevator thing.
Are you gonna do one for Civil War, Captain Logan? :D
Oh yeah. I totally forgot lol how spoiled of me things like this require hard work
He reviews every superhero movie at least 2 years after it comes out. Civil war will most likely be reviewed before Avengers 3 or 4
Next year probably.
When Infinity War comes out, likely.
Captain Logan civil war!