@Zwagmo pretty much LMAO, been watching a lot of junglers recently cuz I'm trying to learn the role, and it seems very easy to tilt because there's so many factors that can ruin a game.
@@Zwagmo Nah, every League Streamer in every role complain. Overall it just you expect Jungle to be peaceful farming simulator early game which its absolutely not the case. Also you get more easily tilted because with Jungle role you witness firsthand the Skill Level of other laner and since you smurfing with lower rank randos for video of course you will tilted because of how lower rank they are compare to you ( nothing against you play with Noobs for video just stating the truth)
plz keep up the jungle climb, i know it’s frustrating, but as a jungle main and an avid zwag enjoyer it’s good to know that you are facing the same problems as me in my jungle games. It is also very helpful to see your pathing, builds and ganks. I am really enjoying this series so keep it up zwag
I actually like jungle, but I've been playing it long enough that I know all the theory: on clears, 3 hits and move, kite it towards your next camp track the enemy jungler at all times, ping your lanes (on their heads) when they're clearing that side if the enemy jungler shows on the same side of the map, counter them after your current camp, if they show on the opposite side you've got a window to steal their camps, take an objective, or gank the other side only gank lanes if you're totally sure you'll get something out of it if the enemy is on an objective and you're sure they beat you in a fight, trade objectives or take their opposite side jungle help laners push after you gank so they can get a reset window asap makes it a lot more fun, it's the most strategic role in the game
tell that ur botlane who goes 0-5 in the first 6 minutes and then blames u for not helping them.^^ or the 0/7 toplaner who always starts to fight aggresively and then blames the "jungle diff" xD i played jungle because i like the strategic and dynamic aspect. but the amount of absolute stupid, delusional people who will blame u as soon as they start feeding is absolutely baffling. i went back to top to be isolated and its so peacefull.
Jungle has been a frustrating role to learn for sure. I’ve discovered 3 things that help me the most: (1. Watch replays (2. Mute chat & pings permanently (3. Stick to 2 or 3 champions for 2 months before attempting to play others. This is my way of learning the fundamentals of being a jungler as quickly and painlessly as possible.
I can totally relate to zwag saying jungle is a "no fun allowed" role. Everybody expects you to iron out their mistakes in lane and at the same time very few people in low elo pay attention to jungle timings (like crabs, kruggs etc.) or god beware roam if they see an invade. It just feels bad to forfeit 2-3 objectives early if your champ needs to scale and your team wont roam. I played mostly engage/supportive junglers like Zac, mumu, Rammus and while you can absolutely carry a game with them, more often than not the first 10-15min are cursed. Thats why i turned to either play mid instead or brawler jungles in soloq. You need a champ that is self reliant and can 2v1 if needed. imho Olaf and Jax are great for that. With hydra/blade and hexplate you can duel pretty much every jungler and still be of use in teamfights. Also if your team sucks ass you can just go splitpush.
"You need a champ that is self reliant..." Pretty much why I stopped playing League in general. In every role (including Support), you cannot rely on your team, in this team-based game. Everyone else is too important, and even more self-focused than Draven.
thanks for posting these videos and showing the frustration gives people something to relate to and a real expectation of things that will happen if they decide to climb as jungle. Nothing is a better demonstration than a real example of how it really is.
I loved playing jungler back in like 2012-14. Almost always picked Amumu, if not then Nautilus. I loved champs with multiple CCs. I did start playing some Jarvan around the time I quit playing. But, back then I did find my place to be in the jungle. Never played enough ranked games to see where I'd be.
I've been playing jgl for years and I agree getting invaded is the most un-fun thing for a jungler. If you don't have laners that get prio early, counter-picking in the jungle becomes so important ! Unfortunetly, if you play ranked jgl, you cant pick to have fun or you get run over from emerald and above (in my experience)
You should try being the one to invade. Might make things more fun. I just want this series to continue since jungle is my main role and you're my favorite youtuber.
Zwag, one thing just to know. After backing don't go that far from the central part of fountain for buying stuffs in the shop. You're loosing you homeguard's speedup by means of that oftenly
Jungle is definitely the most fun role in the game. It's not just farming the same minions against one opponent in the same lane all game until its time to rotate or teamfight. You can be everywhere, make calls on objectives, invade your opponent, fight with numerical advantages in ganks, or track your opponent and counter his ganks. If you "lose lane" against the enemy jungler its also not just game over for you like it is in top, where you can just no longer play the game. If your team mates start flaming you (which they most likely will for any reason or none whatsoever), then just mute them. Bot lane is in my opinion the most boring.
The only reason I enjoy jungling is how much fun a lot of the champs are in that role. Zac top can be fun but Zac jungle appearing from the fog of war and glooping onto a group of three then ccing all three and ambling away from their corpses is a joy unmatched on other roles.
Welcome to my jungle hell. As main jungle this is how most games go. Not only do I get invaded non stop and my lanes loose, I get flamed for not getting objectives when they constantly have laners that help them and not me. Lol
If it was me in that game, I would have said something along the lines of: "Dude, what is your problem? Is getting your own jungle just too hard? Cuz you seem to love going only after me and literally no one else."
Jungler suggestion: Warwick. Maybe.... Max AS Warwick who builds a hull breaker and BotRK and focuses on objectives. If you don't want to get invaded then play a champ that can duel. Unfortunately, the trade off is that you then can't be as impactful in team fights and need to be aggressive in the early game to get your mid-to-late game laners ahead. In theory.
You should do a WW jungle game, would maybe help with getting invaded, assuming enemy jungler gets low enough, blood trail would always rell you where hes at, and if not, just W and find him anyways.
So excited for this one, Amumu jungle is my main, i love absolutely wrecking people who think hes just a tank. Assassin Amumu is so underrated! Taking ignite is a game changer too.
While complaining isn't my favorite, it definitely isn't ruining the videos by any stretch. Other jungle streamers complain a lot. I think peope are just used to you not complaining normally so it seems slightly off when you do. Don't force yourself if it isn't fun, but we still love the zwungle climb no matter what you say in the videos! As for invading... It's like the bronze top equivalent of coin flip the lane with an all in at level one. For some reason it just happens a lot. If you want to avoid it or counter it, try a stat checker like warwick or trundle, or maybe do invades yourself with them or Elise or Nidallee. Or clear top to bottom for first clear to avoid seeing them early and scale. Whatever you end up playing, it's always fun to watch.
I really don't mind the complaining, like, i also do that all the time playing jingle, as long as he doesn't rage or mental boom i'm okay with it. That's why i love watching zwag, he always keeps his cool, even if he is frustated.
Hey Zwag, hope the jungle climb isn't too draining. If you're not having fun getting perma invaded, maybe you could give them a taste of their own medicine and perma invade them instead? Might turn out more enjoyable
@@a.k.8719 complaining is not losing his cool, he is clearly frustrated, but he's still calm, he didn't rage or mental boom, just taking some frustration out on his words.
As a newer player, I agree... even when I get autofilled jungle and i let me team know i got autofilled, not a single person will offer taking the slot, and if i make 1 mistake I get absolutely sh*t on by my entire team for the rest of the match even if i pull off a few miracle plays.. its a no win situation. a 10-0 jungle is crap because hes not being a team player and a 0-10 jungler is crap because hes not getting objectives lol.
Just gotta play early game stuff to not get invaded. voli / xin / ww etc and then you do the invading if your lanes are all pushed up Jg is no fun this season, you're more of a support than the support role. Just a perma-down-two-levels smite bot some games
as annoying as it is to play against, I like the invades since it makes the games quite interesting to watch and very satisfying when zwag ultimately wins at the end.
This is why Fiddle jungle saddens me. Pre 6 all he has is a bit of lame poke so you will get invaded but nobody will rotate to help you. All you can do is Q the enemy away and watch them take all your camps. Wish fiddle early game was a little stronger.
I love the other 2 channels videos, but i dont know why Zwagmo have a special place in my heart. Lee, Xin, Briar are strong duelist, i think they ill be less inclined to invade if you pick some of these JG
The complaints are the best bro makes everyone feel a bit better knowing you’re top tier and still complain about random stuff that happens during your games. Love all the vids keep up the great content
I feel like the teams that invade always lose. Idk what it is but every time they invade my jungler or steal camps they never win. Almost like it’s not worth it…
Hey Zwag if it is so anoying to get invaded all the time then why don't you just become the invader? Could also be a fun video, though i don't know if it will be good for the climb.
I’m a real fan of Kha’ Zix…. He’s really burstie. Of course that may not solve your invade problem. Jungle is more about pacing rather than spacing. It sucks because everything is your fault… keep it up, enjoying the content.
I’m glad you pointed out the weakness of being a jungler. You are damned if you do and damned if you don’t 75% of the time.
"always the junglers fault" not like most good junglers can call out enemys postions and whereabouts without needing vision
@@Siikesz I call it the blame lane for a reason. Any mistake made by anyone comes back to you as the jungler.
coming from chill zwag mid velkoz video to summoning zwag's inner demons in the jungle
Eyo can you up the mic volume by 15% in the videos? I love the silent voice and calming gameplay, but I can lower it myself if needed
sure
HE RESPONDED LETS GOOOOO
Yes agreed! When the ads come, they're mixed jarringly higher volume than the vid haha
@@Zwagmo thank you
@@Zwagmoyou are awesome 😎
Completely disagree with your take on not being able to complain. The only way to get through the ranks as a jungler is by complaining.
exactly you watch any jungle streamer and they are complaining the whole game.
@Zwagmo pretty much LMAO, been watching a lot of junglers recently cuz I'm trying to learn the role, and it seems very easy to tilt because there's so many factors that can ruin a game.
@@Zwagmo Nah, every League Streamer in every role complain. Overall it just you expect Jungle to be peaceful farming simulator early game which its absolutely not the case. Also you get more easily tilted because with Jungle role you witness firsthand the Skill Level of other laner and since you smurfing with lower rank randos for video of course you will tilted because of how lower rank they are compare to you ( nothing against you play with Noobs for video just stating the truth)
Goated
plz keep up the jungle climb, i know it’s frustrating, but as a jungle main and an avid zwag enjoyer it’s good to know that you are facing the same problems as me in my jungle games. It is also very helpful to see your pathing, builds and ganks. I am really enjoying this series so keep it up zwag
I second this
I actually like jungle, but I've been playing it long enough that I know all the theory:
on clears, 3 hits and move, kite it towards your next camp
track the enemy jungler at all times, ping your lanes (on their heads) when they're clearing that side
if the enemy jungler shows on the same side of the map, counter them after your current camp, if they show on the opposite side you've got a window to steal their camps, take an objective, or gank the other side
only gank lanes if you're totally sure you'll get something out of it
if the enemy is on an objective and you're sure they beat you in a fight, trade objectives or take their opposite side jungle
help laners push after you gank so they can get a reset window asap
makes it a lot more fun, it's the most strategic role in the game
tell that ur botlane who goes 0-5 in the first 6 minutes and then blames u for not helping them.^^
or the 0/7 toplaner who always starts to fight aggresively and then blames the "jungle diff" xD
i played jungle because i like the strategic and dynamic aspect.
but the amount of absolute stupid, delusional people who will blame u as soon as they start feeding is absolutely baffling.
i went back to top to be isolated and its so peacefull.
@@Evil-La-Poopa mute all
Jungle has been a frustrating role to learn for sure. I’ve discovered 3 things that help me the most:
(1. Watch replays
(2. Mute chat & pings permanently
(3. Stick to 2 or 3 champions for 2 months before attempting to play others.
This is my way of learning the fundamentals of being a jungler as quickly and painlessly as possible.
today's grenade amumu vs thievery udyr was excellent, too
Thievery udyr lol😂😂😅
I can totally relate to zwag saying jungle is a "no fun allowed" role. Everybody expects you to iron out their mistakes in lane and at the same time very few people in low elo pay attention to jungle timings (like crabs, kruggs etc.) or god beware roam if they see an invade.
It just feels bad to forfeit 2-3 objectives early if your champ needs to scale and your team wont roam. I played mostly engage/supportive junglers like Zac, mumu, Rammus and while you can absolutely carry a game with them, more often than not the first 10-15min are cursed.
Thats why i turned to either play mid instead or brawler jungles in soloq.
You need a champ that is self reliant and can 2v1 if needed. imho Olaf and Jax are great for that. With hydra/blade and hexplate you can duel pretty much every jungler and still be of use in teamfights. Also if your team sucks ass you can just go splitpush.
Just play VI
@@MatthewRamsey-f6h acc i do. but vi is reliant on her team following her up. with jax and olaf you can just stomp over people.
"You need a champ that is self reliant..."
Pretty much why I stopped playing League in general. In every role (including Support), you cannot rely on your team, in this team-based game. Everyone else is too important, and even more self-focused than Draven.
Secret Wuju art- R right-click periodically Q..
thanks for posting these videos and showing the frustration gives people something to relate to and a real expectation of things that will happen if they decide to climb as jungle. Nothing is a better demonstration than a real example of how it really is.
today's miniature is excellent. clear, understandable at first glance, no elements are "wtf", aesthetically pleasing.
You’re the only one I watch that makes me wanna play league again. I’m so bad though idk how to get out of iron haha
I loved playing jungler back in like 2012-14. Almost always picked Amumu, if not then Nautilus. I loved champs with multiple CCs. I did start playing some Jarvan around the time I quit playing. But, back then I did find my place to be in the jungle. Never played enough ranked games to see where I'd be.
Jungle Nautilus viable these days?
@@Minimeister317 I don't know. I don't play and all my current knowledge is from watching Zwag.
I made Silver 3 in 2013. I have no complaints about your playstyle, nor your complaints.
But I'll forever be Wood 4.
hehehe "wood 4" wood THEN Iron good idea.
finallyyyyyy thank youuuu the amumu game!! it had been so long :)
I've been playing jgl for years and I agree getting invaded is the most un-fun thing for a jungler. If you don't have laners that get prio early, counter-picking in the jungle becomes so important ! Unfortunetly, if you play ranked jgl, you cant pick to have fun or you get run over from emerald and above (in my experience)
18:25 felt personal 😂😂
it was definitely personal 😂😂
Pretty cringe to be flaming the other jungler tryna win while this dude smurfs for content.
@@porphyliticism I believe he's tryna climb on this jungle account but go off king ❤
@@porphyliticism it’s just a game man
@@durianboi4565 For sure, any excuse to not play against people of his own skill level that's so cool.
The Zelda music and chill gameplay is so good for getting to sleep.
You should try being the one to invade. Might make things more fun. I just want this series to continue since jungle is my main role and you're my favorite youtuber.
a scanner and zombie wards would go a long way to helping you with the invasion problem. love the vids bud.
amumu's attacks sound so... wet? and floppy? cursed lil guy
I mean....he is crying
Zwag, one thing just to know. After backing don't go that far from the central part of fountain for buying stuffs in the shop. You're loosing you homeguard's speedup by means of that oftenly
Jungle is definitely the most fun role in the game. It's not just farming the same minions against one opponent in the same lane all game until its time to rotate or teamfight. You can be everywhere, make calls on objectives, invade your opponent, fight with numerical advantages in ganks, or track your opponent and counter his ganks. If you "lose lane" against the enemy jungler its also not just game over for you like it is in top, where you can just no longer play the game. If your team mates start flaming you (which they most likely will for any reason or none whatsoever), then just mute them.
Bot lane is in my opinion the most boring.
Zwag I’m a huge fan and I hope you finished this series quick. Definitely can you it’s messing up your mental. I too hate jungle, best of luck
Eyyy, just found this channel.. congrats to your new
The only reason I enjoy jungling is how much fun a lot of the champs are in that role. Zac top can be fun but Zac jungle appearing from the fog of war and glooping onto a group of three then ccing all three and ambling away from their corpses is a joy unmatched on other roles.
I love watching zwag's lol contents even tho i dont play lol or any plan on playing it.
The best jungler content is them freaking out and popping off. Truly a role for the mentally ill.
Welcome to my jungle hell. As main jungle this is how most games go. Not only do I get invaded non stop and my lanes loose, I get flamed for not getting objectives when they constantly have laners that help them and not me. Lol
18:25 that one felt personal ❤
Why no maligma?
If it was me in that game, I would have said something along the lines of: "Dude, what is your problem? Is getting your own jungle just too hard? Cuz you seem to love going only after me and literally no one else."
Jungler suggestion: Warwick. Maybe.... Max AS Warwick who builds a hull breaker and BotRK and focuses on objectives.
If you don't want to get invaded then play a champ that can duel. Unfortunately, the trade off is that you then can't be as impactful in team fights and need to be aggressive in the early game to get your mid-to-late game laners ahead. In theory.
Back in early seasons, this was called Holy Hand Granade Amumu.
This was a really fun build to watch you pop off!
You should do a WW jungle game, would maybe help with getting invaded, assuming enemy jungler gets low enough, blood trail would always rell you where hes at, and if not, just W and find him anyways.
Bro giving the best callouts and predictions and his teamates are blind and deaf
Would Elise be good to not get invaded on? or if you do just turn and kill them
So excited for this one, Amumu jungle is my main, i love absolutely wrecking people who think hes just a tank. Assassin Amumu is so underrated! Taking ignite is a game changer too.
While complaining isn't my favorite, it definitely isn't ruining the videos by any stretch. Other jungle streamers complain a lot. I think peope are just used to you not complaining normally so it seems slightly off when you do. Don't force yourself if it isn't fun, but we still love the zwungle climb no matter what you say in the videos!
As for invading... It's like the bronze top equivalent of coin flip the lane with an all in at level one. For some reason it just happens a lot. If you want to avoid it or counter it, try a stat checker like warwick or trundle, or maybe do invades yourself with them or Elise or Nidallee. Or clear top to bottom for first clear to avoid seeing them early and scale. Whatever you end up playing, it's always fun to watch.
I really don't mind the complaining, like, i also do that all the time playing jingle, as long as he doesn't rage or mental boom i'm okay with it. That's why i love watching zwag, he always keeps his cool, even if he is frustated.
Zwag even though I'm only subscribed to you could I please request full ap Gwen jungle☺️🥺
As a udyr ad jg main. Did you look at the replay. Why tf did he flash that camp early??
Ty for the amumu gameplay king hes my fav champ
Why was there a -3 lp penalty
Hey Zwag, hope the jungle climb isn't too draining. If you're not having fun getting perma invaded, maybe you could give them a taste of their own medicine and perma invade them instead? Might turn out more enjoyable
feel you on the perma invade tho, but you play jun so well, keeping your cool, it's inspiring. thanks for the great content as usual
Keep your cool? Are we watching the same guy? He's perma complaining
@@a.k.8719 complaining is not losing his cool, he is clearly frustrated, but he's still calm, he didn't rage or mental boom, just taking some frustration out on his words.
As a newer player, I agree... even when I get autofilled jungle and i let me team know i got autofilled, not a single person will offer taking the slot, and if i make 1 mistake I get absolutely sh*t on by my entire team for the rest of the match even if i pull off a few miracle plays.. its a no win situation. a 10-0 jungle is crap because hes not being a team player and a 0-10 jungler is crap because hes not getting objectives lol.
I get invaded less as Warwick because he wins pretty hard early with his sustain but he falls off pretty hard late
Same
If you have your support ward the enemy wolves or raptors then its easier to avoid invades
trundle and warwick best champs to play if you don't want to get invaded. You can stat check almost anybody at lvl 3. Just ban kindred.
I think it's time for your next video to get some retribution. Time for you to perma-invade
Well if your team wasn't allergic to warding, especially around objectives while they are up, that would be nice. Hopefully a cure is found soon.
Can we get a singed jng game?
the thing is people invade because a lot of junglers tilt after being invaded
Is briar a safe jungler? who can invade her?
What if you made the perfect jungle invade build fort a video and just tortured the enemy jungler?
I believe kindred will appear someday 😂
I like the vids where you have fun playing something... Jungle does not seem to do that for you all the time 😅
Hey zwag pls try Yorick attack speed with lethal tempo its really good
i think after all that you should make a video where you hunt enemy jungle and make him suffer
Can I ask how you have 3ms?
Just gotta play early game stuff to not get invaded. voli / xin / ww etc and then you do the invading if your lanes are all pushed up
Jg is no fun this season, you're more of a support than the support role. Just a perma-down-two-levels smite bot some games
SO GOOD wp love the amumu
I swear jungle is the hardest and most sad role
Yo, you should try out Viego, then you can play all the champs 😄
Also with PTA you have good early 1v1s if they try to invade
te amo zwag
I can't wait to int my silver lobbies trying this out! Let's gooooo!
9:44 did he just heal to full at lvl 7?
How about a yi jungle?
Try Evelynn!! Shes super weak early but she one-shots late game
Would rylais work in this build? If so when would you build it?
like never?
Can you play Karthus?
Udyr is perma invade just to make zwungle life miserable 😅 poor dude.
as annoying as it is to play against, I like the invades since it makes the games quite interesting to watch and very satisfying when zwag ultimately wins at the end.
This is why Fiddle jungle saddens me. Pre 6 all he has is a bit of lame poke so you will get invaded but nobody will rotate to help you. All you can do is Q the enemy away and watch them take all your camps. Wish fiddle early game was a little stronger.
13:40 classic miss everything then blame the rumble. 100% him, of course
I love the other 2 channels videos, but i dont know why Zwagmo have a special place in my heart.
Lee, Xin, Briar are strong duelist, i think they ill be less inclined to invade if you pick some of these JG
Usually getting human supports is what makes jg less awful, unfortunately thats a big ask.
Zwag, u need to know, as a Jungler, u must complain about your team or the enemy team every game 😂😂
finally love this series!
Play Shaco, you cant get invaded if you're the one invading
tbf, bitching about getting countered when playing a champion like amumu is kinda weird :P
nah you just have no idea how annoying it is to be constantly invaded and get ZERO help from teammates
The complaints are the best bro makes everyone feel a bit better knowing you’re top tier and still complain about random stuff that happens during your games. Love all the vids keep up the great content
Maybe put some wards in your own jungle. You, and the support if they are on board.
Doesnt matter what the bronzies comment🤙🏽 pushes the algo anyway😏❤
I thought this is a Teemo only Channel.
Were you purposely roleplaying as Amumu this game? 😂
I feel like the teams that invade always lose. Idk what it is but every time they invade my jungler or steal camps they never win. Almost like it’s not worth it…
Hey Zwag if it is so anoying to get invaded all the time then why don't you just become the invader? Could also be a fun video, though i don't know if it will be good for the climb.
strong early game are the way to go scaling jg are aids to play right now
AP Amumu jungle to challenger? Pretty please!
Darius jungle should be hard to invade
You should do support climb your brain will melt but it's content
WAIT HE DIDNT GET INVADED FOR FIRST BUFFS 🎉🎉🎉
It's often discussed on r/jungle_mains about the sorry state of jungle these days.
Zwag just play warwick jungle you win most 1vs1 early even at low health
Support climb next play fun supports and roam!
Morg jungle next pls.
i love swag bu GOD DUDE CLEAN THE WARDS OR AT LEAST PLACE THEM u would die less if you warded instead of face checking
I’m a real fan of Kha’ Zix…. He’s really burstie. Of course that may not solve your invade problem. Jungle is more about pacing rather than spacing. It sucks because everything is your fault… keep it up, enjoying the content.