Modern is Broken. Can It Be Fixed?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ธ.ค. 2024
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What's wrong with Modern and how can it be fixed? SaffronOlive checks out AspiringSpikes thoughts on the problem, and shares some of his own.
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I think the elephant in the room is: all the formats were healthier when they tuned for standard, and cards naturally graduated. The changes were slow, and self-correcting. The chase for the next hot thing has made everything feel cold.
Yeah, wishing for Modern cards was the Monkey paw curling
THIS! I fully admit I was one of the ones who thought it would be really cool if they printed directly into modern...I was dead wrong. The idea behind modern horizons was good: print some cards to power up older decks or other decks that need a boost. That's basically 90% of what MH sets are. It's the other 10% of super pushed, busted, must have cards that have ruined modern IMO.
What used to be a gradual, evolving format now feels like a constant power treadmill, I hate it.
I am of the opinion we should make a classic modern format. Where cards can only get into the format through standard and completely remove the modern horizons cards. As every time they have released a modern horizons format they have completely changed modern, and every time I have played less and less modern.
@@RagtagCoach That's what I think should happen. Sadly, I think that would have to be driven by fans, not by WotC.
Instead of just a reaction video, it would be really fun and interesting to have Spike on as a guest on the MTGGoldfish podcast. You'd be able to have a real discussion with him, which would be interesting as your viewpoints align but not totally
I’d love if they could do this
Yeah, i dont understand stealing views from a smaller content creator just to go 'ehhhh' every time he has an opinion.
@@Dikarika Is he stealing? I don't think I'd have ever heard of the guy or watched him without this.
But yes, a guest interview would be cool.
@@Dikarikaconsidering he is giving a glowing review of him and tells people to go watch him, I don’t think it’s stealing as much, but also yeah I think it’s better to do a sort of podcast
@@derrickthewhite1 @connormohs6046
Are you both going to watch the original video referenced here? No... You just watched it.
Modern? You mean horizons block constructed?
Excellent observation!
Actually its Direct to Modern block constructed. /s ;)
Pretty much. Remember how everyone didn't like extended...well Modern is now extended with a bigger card pool.
Don't be silly.
Shock lands were never printed in modern horizons.
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Yeah, rotating block constructed
*The One Ring has entered the chat*
"AspiringSpike. One of the people in the entire world" - Inspiring words from SaffronOlive.
18:05 Gavin wouldn’t be able to change it. The reason Gavin is able to manage Pauper so well is because that format is not a driver or reprint equity and set sales to anywhere near the same extent as Modern so management are happy to give him unilateral control of bannings. If Gavin was in the same position for Modern where the sales potential of problem cards is incredibly high in the case of MH3 especially, he’s going to be told what he can’t ban and any ban slate he proposes is going to be picked apart by money guys in the company
Yep. If he was in charge of modern, he probably be the first one to get kick out lol can't be banning the money maker within a month
I used to joke that if Pauper is commons only, every other format is rares/mythics only
I said this on Spike’s original video and I’ll say it here too - there’s zero chance that WotC backpedals on the BnR schedule. They’ve doubled down on their belief that the most important thing to paper players is the perception that the financial investment in their cards/decks are safe from bans for longer. And that’s not just Standard players, that’s all formats.
They stood ten toes down on that take during the pre-Nadu ban livestream, and I have no reason to believe the Modern community is going to sway their decision at this point.
I will say though, I’m with Seth on the conspiracy theory thing. If they don’t ban the Ring on Monday, then there for sure is something withholding them to do so. Maybe it’s a contractual obligation or maybe their numbers show they can’t sell LotR packs without the Ring legal. But either way, if they don’t ban it then there’s no amount of mental gymnastics they can persuade us to believe they have the health of the format first in mind.
I'm on team Crim here. Modern Horizons 1 was the first mistake, but 2 was way worse. Letting standard rotate into modern was healthy for both the format and your wallet.
Every set printing directly to modern needs to power creep in order to sell, which is unhealthy in general.
Also, printing Nadu (a card intended for commander) in a print to modern set... Just why? Don't put jet fuel in my car please.
It would be interesting if Modern Horizons sets were not designed to have game breaking chase cards, but instead focus on those value modern staple reprints like the fetch lands and focus not on giving us new tier 1 shells like boros energy, but have those new cards be the new support and sideboard cards as well as twists on those MTG classics like necrodominance that are their own thing.
Sooooo….. modern masters?
I think that was the idea behind the MH sets originally, but the bean counters likely thought it wouldn't sell enough so to push packs, let's put in 20 cards that are broken so everyone has to buy them to compete.
@@vctrsigma this is what everyone hoped for... but we all know what we got. Maybe hindsight is 20/20. Maybe greed never sees clearly.
Modern horizons 1 is when I quit paper. My favorite format went from an affordable eternal format to a rotating, curated format where I could no longer build a tier 1.5 deck that could win my fnm for $100
Join the dark side, play pauper
For me it was banning Twin and Birthing Pod, two pillars of the format, neither of which was statistically overpowered or unpleasant to play against.
@@spybreak23the issue is that at the time they were boring and strong. 2 card combos are generally uninteresting play patterns... when they're strong. They wouldn't be anymore so it's likely fine to unban them
@@spybreak23 It's funny because that's when I stopped playing modern was when they banned twin, and I never played with Twin. It was a health combo in the format that wasn't oppressive that kept people honest with interaction.
ive played modern since it was first formed and a no time has there been a tier 1.5 or tier 1 deck for only 100$. Fetches alone for most of moderns existence have been 30$-40$ a piece. 100$ was a super budget deck even back in 2012
Needing to ban the One Ring to save the format would actually be the best meta commentary on why it never should have been created in the first place, both in the LotR universe and in Magic.
Seth is the most grounded member of the MTGGoldfish crew. Thx god for his voice of reason
2:50 I actually got into modern because of your Wurm surprise video, and still go back and watch it from time to time. Definitely one of my favorite of your decks, Panglacial was always a pet card of mine.
Also AspiringSpike is awesome, definitely seen some crazy brews come out of him. He's one of the only youtubers I like that was still playing Modern :(
I miss your weird brews so much man.
Magics premier format should not be centered around the ring from Lotr period. Sad
Do you think Modern is the premiere format? Or are you talking about Commander?
"ApsiringSpike, one of the people in the entire world" so true bestie
Remember when Humans was the most played deck?
You can tell Modern was in a great place when a deck like Humans was tier 1.
People complained about Modern so much that WotC actually caved in and gave us the Direct to Modern set we collectively asked for.
@@TheEvolver311 the people who were complaining about Modern from 2017-MH1 was people who weren't playing the format.
Standard was in a much worse state than Modern at the time.
Wizards: "Modern: No changes"
Also Wizards: "Commander: The One RIng banned." /s
The entire allure of Modern over Standard was, to me, that you could invest a significant amount more money into a deck, but since it was an eternal format, you could reliably play that deck for years and expect to be somewhat competitive.
Now with Modern Horizons releases every other year bringing overpowered cards and periodic bans, Modern has now become like a rotating format. You cant expect to drop $1k on singles and feel like you can use the same deck in a couple of years. Now youll have to drop that much at least once a year to be able to compete in an FNM and then try to recoup once the key cards in your deck get banned. But Wizards makes their obscene amount of revenue, so i guess who cares if it is an expensive and unenjoyable experience for dedicated players?
How bad I feel for those who dropped paychecks on playsets of Tarmogoyfs, Snapcasters, and Dark Confidants just to see them become completely obsolete because Wizards wants to siphon more cash from an established format.
It was only ever really true of the mana base.
Like Tarmogofy was already unplayable before MH1, so was Snapcaster and dark confident
@@TheEvolver311
>One care out of boomer jund was replaced with a better card
>No one on earth would ever play boomer jund except as a meme because there are better Yugioh decks to be playing in the format released every couple of years as basically sealed decks.
These things are not the same.
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Boomer jund died in when they banned Twin/Pod. It wasn't playable beyond as a meme for years before MH1
@@TheEvolver311 All 3 of those were playable before MH1, especially Snapcaster.
@@TheEvolver311 this is just not true. you can even see this from cards like snapcasters $$ trend over last decade. It only became unplayable after MH1 release. you can even see the price drop from 50$ a piece to under 20$ in a years time from 2019 2020
The solution is the community starts running Pure Modern as a format and get it popular enough for Wizards to notice. Only standard legal sets, no straight to Modern, as it should be
I've more or less stopped playing Magic for the time being, and just occasionally watch MTG videos or podcasts. And boy, hearing about the state of both Modern and Legacy (my two favorite formats) at the moment sure is making me feel like I made the right decision. I hope they're able to figure out a way to fix these systemic issues, because as you point out, just banning a bunch of cards isn't going to prevent this from happening over and over again in the future.
It would all be fixed if WotC went bankrupt
I quit modern soon as evoke elementals came out. Then one ring just put the nail in the coffin that I made the right choice. The reason I liked modern was to brew fun decks but now it’s just a format of “play these cards or lose”
The day Phlage was spoiled I said, "Holy crap! They printed a new Uro." Everyone said I was wrong and that Phlage seems okay, but not busted. People don't think critically though. You have to take into consideration what the color/color combinations are intending to do. Simic is about growing value and overtaking the game so draw a card, gain life, maybe ramp is really strong. Boros is about aggroing your opponent out by focusing on damage output while not having to spend time and resources on defense. This is why Lightning Helix is good. If just life gain was important people would play Healing Salve because it's more efficient. If you swapped Phlage and Uro's abilities they wouldn't be very good cards.
It is getting that way with Commander too, they are deliberately printing Commander must-haves in every set now so we're going to get to the point where you may have different commanders but your decks are going to have all the same staples in the 99
They have been doing that in Commander since 2011
Same commanders, too. They keep printing “strictly correct” commanders to play for popular archetypes.
Idk if its getting that way more so its already been thay way for a while commander legends is almost 5 years ago and that had the biggest staple ever printed into a format in literally black lotus for your commander. Every set is printed with commander in mind where wotc develops cards that would be fun in commander rather than the set it was printed in.
@@TheEvolver311 nothing like how it has been the past several years though
@jrjamesson no it's always been the case. Didn't want to buy any of the 2011 EDH decks still had to get a command tower. And yes it is just as much an example of the same powercreep
I agree with Richard on the podcast. Modern is just cooked. There is no putting the cat back in the bag now.
Would TOR be more balanced if the player got the burden counters, like how experience counters work? I don’t play too much modern so idk if the counters would be easy to remove, but it might help avoid people resetting the burden with the legend rule. And it’s a flavor win too
Love me some $1k+ block constructed, nothing need fixing, at all. /s
Modern Horizons could have been awesome if the focus was on making cards that could help bolster certain decks in modern. Whether that was bringing older cards from Legacy into the format, reprinting cards that were only in commander products, or making new cards to shore up some of the weaknesses some decks had. Something like Murktide Regent for spellslinger decks made sense as the deck needed a better finisher. Adding it with other broken stuff like Ragavan just made the deck over the top and pushed out all the other cards.
I like the idea of creating new deck archtypes as long as they incorporate other cards from throughout modern. With MH3, that was no longer needed. Boros energy was never a deck until MH3 and now it dominates everything because the cards it runs are just better then all other cards in Modern other than the one ring.
WotC really missed the mark big time with all three MH sets. Each one progressively got more and more bonkers and now, the format is a complete wash. The ban list will either have to be huge in order to fix the problem or they need to change how the ban list works and make it more like vintage with a restricted list. Either way, the format is badly stagnant and not worth playing which is a massive shame. They killed the format and don't have many options to resurrect it.
Modern being broken is why I stopped playing paper magic... oh wizards, what are you doing to our beloved Magic :The Gathering card game for ages 13+
What do you think about the next Modern Masters set being focused towards the LEAST played decks in Modern. Say bottom 50 or maybe 25 of the most played decks?
I feel like it wouldn't "sell as well", so Wizards would never do it. But it certainly wouldn't make Modern WORSE, right?
You'd end up with stuff like mythic scarecrows and bears or something? Lmao
40:51 given what Seth says here about giving older players something nostalgic to play in Modern convinces me that Modern is a format where boomers want to play old combos and staples (i.e.: tarmogoyf/splinter twin) and relive the glory days. It’s a format that can never go back but everyone that’s played since before modern horizons wants it to go back to those times. I think Magic fundamentally has changed, both due to power creep and due to other factors like Commander design and Modern design philosophies both pushing cards to be stronger rather than more dynamic regarding how the opponent can interact with those cards. Cards just keep getting more and more efficient. Combos keep coming down sooner. It’s almost turning into yugioh when two ships pass in the night and whoever has the handtrap (answer) wins or whoever goes first wins.
Again it is money. Wizards will manage formats in any way necessary that keeps people purchasing product. So if everyone hates Energy and the One Ring, but keeps buying in to keep pace with the format, the ban process is working exactly as intended from Wizards POV. So Pauper is in a good place, because financially it is completely irrelevant to Wizards. It doesn't sell packs and nobody cares if a 50 cents card gets banned. So Wizards is happy to leave that format to the people. This is a good thing.
And I don't want to hate on any of the people at Wizard. They could be all great people with good intentions, and I believe that to be the case, but the profit motive introduces incentives and necessities that over time will shift any company towards optimized business practices. And optimized practices in this case means release impossible to avoid set every other year, let people play financial catchup with the format, ban something at the last possible moment, repeat that 2 or 3 times, release the next format busting set. Unfortunately there is little solution to that, other than not buying in, but "voting with your dollars" has rarely worked.
The last straw for me was the recent change to let Universes Beyond creep into competitive formats. Mine is an old school gamer opinion for sure but crossovers simply don't belong in a game's main format whether it be ccg, tabletop, boardgames, etc.
We are far beyond the point when players have a say in what their game looks like. Hasbro/WotC are entrenched in a "take it or leave it" mindset. Now Magic simply a toy that we continue to treat as a game.
If my opponent Stoneforges for Jitte over Kaldra/Batterskull on turn 2 into 3, I'm going to assume they have Kaldra and Batterskull in hand. There's just better targets in Modern right now.
That Blood Moon Telecaster tho...
MH3 was the nail in the coffin for me with paper magic ngl. Pauper is even starting to suffer from this phenomenon. The only formats I feel i can really enjoy much anymore is like. Cube and canlander.
Cube is the way
You fix Modern by switching to Pioneer.
It would be the solution if WoTC wasnt trying to kill it by removing it from the competitive ticket for at least all of 2025
Good luck with that when Universes Beyond colonizes the format next year
Lol sure switch to another format WOTC doesn't care about
@@CasualKing21 I would argue playing a format Wotc doesn't care about is a bonus at this point, because they only care about formats they're trying to overmonetize and ruin.
That throws most of my favorite cards in the garbage. No thanks.
I do agree with you overall, and I think the format would simply be better without MH1-3, LTR, and ACR.
It is worth mentioning that going forward there won’t be sets like LTR going straight to Modern, so it will at least only be one MH-level set every two years, I guess.
Richard hit the nail on the head in the MTG Goldfish podcast the other day. Answers have gotten too cheap and too wide hitting.
Get Rid of One Ring, then ditch Fatal Push, Unholy Heat, Static Prison and Leyline Binding, and Orcish Bowmasters (which is a mistake card, it should never have been allowed to hit creatures)
The funny thing is that despite mentioning great candidates for removal that is "too good", you still missed Kozilek's Command, Solitude, Prismatic Ending, and there are probably others I am forgetting, as well. It seems like ages since Path to Exile and Lightning Bolt were premium removal.
@@bigtimetimmyjim6486 Kozi Kommand and Solitude could probably go yeah, Prismatic ending at least has to scale up in cost to what it removes.
@@RyuPlaneswalker Yeah, and with Eldrazi making a comeback Prismatic Ending at least has quite a few situations where it is pretty useless, but it is still really versatile when it is effective.
I look forward to your upcoming siege rhino + birthing pod deck in modern
I love old fashioned Zoo. Seeing Ocelot Pride and Ajani, I got pumped that it might push the deck into somekind of tier 3 zone. Realizing it was just far better to play MH3 constructed and that not be a joke kinda shattered modern in my eyes and I haven’t touches it since.
We are at the point where I am enjoying the niche Pre-Modern format more than Modern.
I'm 100% ready to believe in the secret "no bans for 4 years" clause. That's exactly the sort of idiotic and short-sighted decision I expect from Hasbro management.
I just got into magic and modern three months ago and I just got my frogs last week. I kinda feel like the bag man now. Wamp wamp.
Before that I was playing Dimir Control with Shadows and Djins. At the time I couldn't generate enough power to kill anyone before they did some bull shit infinite mana combo, or cheated out an Eldrazy. If Phlage stays and Frog goes I'm definitely out.
I left Yu-Gi-Oh because I was sick watching someone play solitaire for 5 min. I thought mana was magic's way of controlling that. But if everything is just infinite combos, that are so efficient they can play through several counterspells and Duresses, it's not worth putting up with the inconsistency of drawing too few or too many lands.
We need a Gavin in Modern? Gavin was the driving force behind Modern. He wanted it to start with Invasion (his favorite block iirc).
Ive pulled back from magic in a huge way and modern horizons was probably the biggest factor. My current goals is to downsize to one modern one pioneer and one legacy deck with a handful of commander decks.
They need to be more open to emergency bans but I think having set announcements on set dates is still a good thing to have
The cycle will just repeat with every MH and UB set: First month everyone is hyped, then the format is solved / stale and we all wait for bannings.
In this sense modern cannot be fixed. It has become a rotating format that rotates faster than standard but where the cost to build competitive is ridiculously high. It's simply not sustainable (for the average middle class player).
Played Amulet titan for 8 years, through splinter twin, through summer Bloom, through Sakura tribe scout, all the way through Force of Vigor. The One Ring broke me and I have not played modern since.
I had a ton of fun drafting modern horizons 3, and that was the only way I interacted with the format. I'm hoping to see a huge ban announcement that pulls me back in but I just don't know if it'll happen
Honestly, given how quickly product releases, WotC should be monitoring the non-rotating formats and doing B&Rs monthly.
My other problem is that once the free spells were from Affinity, I hated those the free Elementals cycle. At least in Affinity you have to "work" for them free goodies. And as an Affinity player, I'm also a little bit surprised that in a world of outsized power creep cards, the artifact lands from the original Mirrodin are still banned.
Reaction content is very rare on this channel so i liked and commented to show I want more!
It feels like largely wizards takes the approach of punching you in the left arm to make you forget that the right arm hurts.
Before watching: Phlage has pooped so hard over everyone’s fun and I really don’t understand why it’s not #1 on all banlist predictions
Because TOR is oppressive.
Can modern be fixed?
Not until modern horizons 4
Will it though?
nah MH4 wont fix modern it will just make MH3 feel like standard cards. WOTC has adopted the yugioh model of TCG
Modern was such a cool idea. You get to play with all your favorite cards after the weird early broken stuff. Why print directly into a format that's supposed to be about playing with old cards? They turned it into a rotating format where you don't get to play with any of your favorite cards and archetypes.
I've been running the Prison Breach deck you played without the One Ring. Replaced it with Pilathir of Orthanc and it's an absolute menace when someone makes you mill. You can set up the top of your deck with Koz Command and if they make you mill an eldrazi you basically win if it's post Breach. Losing the one ring does nothing except guarantees that no one else can be protected from what's about to happen lol
Here's an idea they'll never go with (because realistically, I'm not smart enough to come up with unique and good ideas):
Have temporary bans. Whenever a non-basic land card is popular enough that it is in 33% or more decks that could play it in a three month peroid, it is restricted for the next three months. If after that restriction it is still in 33% of decks, it gets hit with a six month ban. Repeat and add six months to it every time after that.
The fun part of Magic, to me at least, is not that it is rock, paper, scissors. It's that it's rock, paper, scissors, lizard, Spock but on steroids. And if Spock is constantly winning, the game is broken.
As for The One Ring, it needs an errata more than being restricted. Activating it should give you an emblem like the one from Chandra, Awakened Inferno. You've used the power of the One Ring, and it'll keep eating away at you.
One random thing that I think would have been funny is if Wizards decided to fast-track a card to punish The One Ring. Like a two or three mana value answer or two that would remove the legendary rule at flash speed. Suddenly the burden counters are punishing the opponent while they get one extra redraw to try to respond.
59:51 they have not spoken the words yet
i just want to see what the current format would be like if MH sets were never a thing.
Or even better would probably be one where magically only the common and uncommons from MH sets are modern legal. Would probably be pretty fun.
I definitely miss old modern when I grinded with my grixis delver deck every friday, but I’m resigned to the fact that that’s not the format anymore. After years of not playing paper magic, I put together the jeskai energy control deck following Javier Dominguez’s PT victory and got the one rings just after they weren’t banned back in September. I’d personally be bummed if they got banned as that deck seems totally unviable if the One Ring gets banned. Luckily, it has a lot of staples that can still be used, but its still a big hit. However, the numbers don’t lie and I can see the problem.
For me I originally thought modern horizons was supposed to help deck archetypes that existed or need a little bit more help that wasn't gonna heppen in upcoming standard sets for a while (ie: merfolk, vampire, aristocrats, etc) but it seemed like all the power value would fall on one or two deck types especially in MH2 & MH3.
Then they decided off sets that would usually just be in Commander or vintage/legacy were nodern legal, to me that's the straw that broke the back cause it then solidified that modern was no longer the set anymore for nonrotational "fair" magic, that is now pioneer for me. So I hope no pioneer horizons in the future
I’ve come to think of modern as a skill level in the game or a play style. It’s usually awesome to watch and play, but it is no longer whatever it was supposed be. It’s morphed and I really enjoyed seeing how new standard sets changed it and miss when each set seemed kinda relevant.
I miss the modern meta of 2015-2017
There is basically no deck left from that time.
My conspiracy is wizards WANTS Morden to die. It forces the Morden brewers to play Pioneer or standard. Which ever one you pick, it’s going to be affected when new standard set is released. It means you have to buy the new set, increasing packs being opened by people trying to find the new chase card everyone needs. This makes even more sense as now Universes Beyond will be standard legal, boosting sales even more. That’s why I believe Morden Horizons 3 was an assassination attempt by WOTC to kill off their least profitable format. It also means they can focus more on commander 😂
Nah, why kill the format if they can forcefully rotate it every two years, forcing you to buy the new set anyways? Remember, Modern Horizons 3 is one of the BEST sets of all times in terms of sales, same with LotR which is like horizons 2.5. They already achieved what you think they want to do by killing the format without having to kill it literally. But by rotating it using only the sheer force of power creep, the format is no longer Modern. just Horizons Block Constructed.
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Turns out we should have listened to WotC and stopped demanding a direct to Modern product. Literally everything Maro said back in the day as to why they didn't want to has come true and the same people who brewed conspiracies about WotC not making a direct to Modern Product to force Modern players to by Standard sets are now claiming it was all a conspiracy to force us to buy MHx
In 3 months with Aetherdrift being released, energy is gonna be super broken. Hopefully they make cards that can counter energy like something that prevents people from getting energy or burns an opponent for gaining energy.
In legacy, I used to have a karakas control deck, where I used Leyline of Singularity to combo with Karakas to keep the board under control until Jace the Mindsculptor ulted. Then Wren and Six came out and with wasteland, my deck was unplayable. I knew since MH1, that MTG isn't for me anymore.
it just seems inevitable that a "Classic" Modern format arises with all MH cards banned that eventually surpasses the popularity of Modern.
I think the best thing to fix modern is to unban somethings and to make stronger answers that can go in any deck. You have to make it so other decks can compete. Like a solemnity leyline and colorless counter spells or removal or make force of will in modern.
Your feelings about MH are the same that I have for wizards printing cards specifically in commander. For nearly set aside from standard, cards printed directly into them or aimed at them generally has hurt those formats. Modern hurt by MH, Commander hurt by too many commander decks/cards designed for commander in standard set, standard hurt by too many cards printed aimed at other formats.
I was a modern player for almost a decade. It was the most favorite format in my city and I would say for the whole country (Czechia). But our community is stagnant for almost a year now. I switch to multiplayer instead. I love multiplayer now, but I'm also sad that the format I grew up with is essentialy dead.
I don't think you even need to start a modern restricted list with the one ring; just errata the rules text to say "a deck can only have one copy of this card." Easy fix, and has the dual upside of making sure it doesn't go on to cause more problems in other formats like legacy/vintage while literally not affecting commander at all.
13:13 ❤ I’m going to start saying shnear 😂
When Seth can't mispronounce a word, he'll change a simple word to something that he can mispronounce!
24:40 So we just run clone effects for our TOR?
Honest question, how fast do you think current modern would die if wizards announced a new format that is modern but with only sets that have been standard legal in it dating back to the original modern first sets?
They could have just printed the lower-tier cards into Standard because they were already doing FIRE design. They were pushing the power lever of everything, so they didn't need to push the power level of Modern separately.
If they're going to restrict the one ring, they should also make it subject to the original Legend rule where only 1 can exist on the battlefield. Also they should make it so you can't copy it, or people will just play 1 one ring, tutors, and 4 phyrexian metamorphs.
It's *such* a flavor fail that "the one ring" isn't the only one, and that you don't *have* to deal with the corruption of the one ring. (And while we're at it, that Mount Doom doesn't destroy the one ring if someone else controls it)
Make Pure Modern. If it didn’t go through standard, it is not legal. Simple.
I think they should go back to more frequent ban/restricted announcements to address format health issues quicker rather than letting the format languish in the interim. We are already seeing market shifts in cards that are expected to be affected by an announcement that I thought the less frequent cadence was attempting to address. Your cards are legal longer, but people check out and stop playing the format anyways when it isn't healthy.
19:18 What's truly ironic is that a monthly report where you say "we're keeping an eye on this card but nothing has changed right now" is actually MORE reassuring to the audience and creates MORE stability
No it doesn't it tells people "buy this at the risk it being banned and worthless at any time"
@TheEvolver311 And I think that's good for consumers to know. So overall good for the format
Spike: Jegantha is broken
Seth: Yeah, Companion is broken
I suggest, for future analytical videos like this, that you start looking at every decision WotC makes through the greed lens of the higher-ups at Hasbro. Seriously. It's not hard to see that many of their decisions have their bottom line as the foundation.
Standard is in a good place because it is getting the attention it needs; Pauper and Pioneer are in a good place because they don't get as much attention? As a player who only really came back a couple years back after a long hiatus, Pioneer Masters is really exciting, because it catches Arena up with Paper, and helps me catch up as well, and I hope Explorer becomes a robust format for new and returning players on Arena, because it's fun to draft and provides a lot of foundational cards, same as Foundations has. I just can't see any reason new or returning players are getting into Modern, and that's... probably the audience Wizards is after.
25:50 This happens in commander and brawl all the time and it always feels bad. Still probably better that the current state of things in modern
Ring, Guide, Raptor, Jangantha, Frog, Labrynth/Koz Command is the list I want for bans. I think they hit Ring and Guide. If they want to ban a card from Frog id expect them to hit the Eye out if some "we want to see where you take the frog" reason. I have no confidence they will kill the frog.
I'd like to second another opinion I saw here that instead of react videos, inviting the person to do a collab or podcast to discuss the topic would be way cooler and very respectful.
Before a collab video releases you could even do a community post telling people about the upcoming collab and linking to the original video so people can be up to date before the discussion if they wish.
Seeing Jitte getting unbanned means we may see a Jitte against the odds deck within the first month, with both lost and umizawa's Jittes.
Calling it 8 Jitte
>Things have gotten so bad that Seth has been forced to do reaction content.
Monday really has to be nothing sort of monumental for things to look up, huh.
Honestly my biggest gripe right now are the arena only cards and the fact they are starting to make these real cards if you wanna play hearthstone then seclude them to a format and keep them out of every other format
It's been a few years since i played modern. Trying it out recently on MTGO since a good chunk of the cats are cheaper, and it's been a struggle to want to play it. Banning a few cars for sure will help. I'd say ban a minimum of 5 and unban the listed 3, It will be fine for sure.
Restricted One Ring would be enough I think; Modern to me is the "affordable" high power format, so having a single Restricted card to make it more "Vintage-Like" doesn't bother me. Also, the same can be true for natural Tron draws and sneaking a Chalice on 1 turn 2. Sometimes the games are jank, sometimes there are win buttons in decks. That's just the game in my personal experience.
Their seeming desire for stability also clashes with their release cadence in general...
WotC takes risks printing broken cards but then won't risk banning them.
If Jegantha gets the axe that'll mean HALF of the companions are banned somewhere 😭
Magic is a husk of the game I loved in 2008.
I wanted to brew a hardened scales deck that could swap from Modern to Pioneer with a few card swaps but i just don't think it's possible for Scales to have a chance in Modern
> They should unban Splinter Twin
I agree that Splinter Twin could come off the banlist. I agree that removal is just so much better now, and prevalent, that that deck may not be too oppressive to have around. HOWEVER, I would really like to see Force of Negation banned if that's the case. With the ever-green nature of Ward now, I think something like Splinter Twin is just begging to be busted to the point that that deck doesn't also need a free protection spell to protect the combo.
on seths tombstone you will read: the london mulligan was WRONG.He will never falter on that. geeees.
I am still a believer in the restriction of the one ring
Yeah, as someone who has never touched and never will touch modern (or really magic in general for that matter. I've upgraded from an MTGA player to someone who just watches content on youtube). I feel like it would've been more appealing for me to get into it if modern horizons never existed. The format to me seems like it's something where you can just play with all your cards and maybe find some really synergistic decks or combos to build from what was once or still standard legal cards that were never standard legal together. But Modern Horizons specifically printing powercrept cards seems to defeat the spirit of that. I feel like it was better when some "accidentally" stronger cards were in the format, rather than cards that are just straight up designed to be better.
Same kind of sentiment with commander and why I kind of don't wanna get into that either.
I used to "casually" play modern, building random stuff I thought looked more fun than competitive (e.g. I built Seth's Heartless Summoning combo deck, Swans Land Burn combo, etc.) and although I think Modern Horizons 1 was *partially* okay for the format, my enjoyment lessened the more the pushed horizons cards became the majority of what I'd see across .from me.
If anyone has come up with a "True Modern" type of format that just bans these print to Modern sets, I'd be really interested on decks that mesh older cards with recent Standard print cards. Like, are there any current Modern lists that even run cards from the last 2-3 Standard sets?
Yea leyline binding and Atraxa
@@illboi42069 A 2022 card, and a 2023 card are not from the last 2-3 Standard sets.
D00mwake hosts "pure modern" tournaments where the format is modern without any direct to modern sets.
I'm thinking we should add a restricted list to Modern with changing a large portion of the banned list to restricted.