EFAP TV: Reacting to The Acolyte S01E03 - Destiny - The Famously Bad Episode
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ต.ค. 2024
- This episode is historic, in that it looks like Disney wants to deal yet another apocalyptic blow to a franchise long dead...
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Mauler - Start to 33:50
Fringy - 33:50 to 46:18
Das - 46:18 to End - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
If the force impregnated the witch, doesn't that make the force male? How the tables have turned
The Force is mtf trans, clearly.
@@UncleDwalin If it doesn't help raise the kid, we can begin speculating on the Force's race.
@@hoonterofhoonters6588The kids certainly aren't green.
Bold of you to assume binary bigot, go to rainbow X ED children's gulag.
Bold of you to assume binary. Go to toddler X ed reeducation gulag.
“Are you all with the cult?”
“We’re not a cult. We’re a coven of sapphic witches who create childre-“
“Yep this is the cult.”
Remember, Hollywood is in no way run by a cult of Satan-worshipping sexual deviants…
I need to rewatch KOTH.
Not to mention all the culty reinforcement:
-them or us
-you only want to leave because you're young
-you're not safe unless you're with us
@@liliesaregoodfortheliver2954 also heavy satanic and communistic leanings in messaging and ideology, while in practice enriching cult leaders at the expense of members.
@@liliesaregoodfortheliver2954 Typical of cult behavior... And religious behavior, craaaaaaazy~! (sarcasm)
Writing this bad should be considered an *OSHA* violation...
🥁
Well, the writing *does* sound like it came from someone who fell head-first off a ladder
OSHA certainly not up to standard with that flammable material they used to build the ‘temple’
*OSHA* should investigate, because they *Mae* end this crap.
Ayeeee
KEKW
‘Those stupid jedi think the force is a power they wield’ 10 seconds later ‘Together we can wield the power of the force!’
(you mean the lesbian witch thread) 😂
5 minutes later she uses the force to put a Jedi into a coma. But it’s not a weapon? Lady, you’re a psycho!
"it's okay when we do it"
Yeah exactly but they stupidly call it the "thread", absolutely retarded. 🙄
10 minutes later: A Jedi cannot be killed by steel or laser
The writers are retarded
That’s some major cult shit when the girl said she didn’t want to be a witch.
“You only want to leave because you’re young. Don’t you know you wouldn’t be accepted by anyone but us?”
Well they appear to be a cult
I guess at least the cult leader wasn't trying to force Osha into staying, at least for now in this episode. They'd rather kill dissenters before listening to them.
If it quacks like a duck...
Even if they later reveal that the Jedi actually killed all of the witches and destroyed their base. It still won’t redeem Mae for trying to burn her sister alive.
Even if jedi killed them , are we suppose to feel bad for dark side cult being destroy?
Yes there is no dark side only how you view the force so they're all good girls @@dangi6516
@@dangi6516 At the very least they want the audience to feel like she’s justified in her actions
@dangi6516 the evil cult of evil got destroyed? Oh noooouuugghhhh
Yeah, Mae attempting to commit murder is completely unrelated and affected by what the jedi did or didn't do. She still a bad person.
The moral code is completely broken. Sure, the jedi aren't saints in this episode, but this bunch of cultists
-Immediately responded in hostility against the Jedi
-Threatened to kill them
-TORTURED one of them, even choosing the youngest one too
-Pretty much manipulate their children
We are supposed to feel bad for them.
One of the actors had said in their interview ''Well Anakin [Fcking hell] killed the whole Death Star''. They might intentionally believe that the lesbian cultists and Mae aren't doing anything wrong.
These people are psychopaths
Modern writing. The Don, the Widow Avalanche, The Bells of King's Landing. There are no bad tactics, only bad targets.
There’s a way to write an ambiguous moral situation where both sides can have strong points and arguments. I’ve seen it, and a narrative structure that is sympathetic in two directions without choosing a side.
This show can’t do that. It clearly has an ideology and a belief about who’s right and who’s wrong, but nobody is allowed to present their ideology. There’s no argument being presented, there’s no clash of ideas. So it seems to be standing on some moral high ground but it can’t make an argument.
It’s an entire story of “You’ve gotta do better, Senator!”
@@TheNoonish The writers have seen / heard of good writing, they just can't do it themselves. The cast were talking about the jedi and witches lying to each other and everyone knowing it and how lame it was. It's the same thing. I have seen scenes where both sides are lying to each other, and both sides know it, but the tension makes the scene gripping. This show ain't that.
@@TheNoonish Oh definitely, it's possible and it can be really good, but here it does not work at all because it follows an ideology as you mentioned.
Well ackshually if you think about it Anakin did destroy the Death Star because he was incompetent at managing it.
"It's not a power that you wield."
A few scenes later:
"This is about power, and who is allowed to use it."
Did the Ahsoka writers work on this?
No.
No because there wasn't five different 10 second long pauses between those two scenes.
More like the Kenobi way. That "have you come to destroy me"one is still funny as fuck.
No, these writers are worse... Atleast Ahsoka is just ignorant. Pretty sure this Coven is malicious.
Honestly? You may be onto something. They certainly have the same trends.
Well, except for one. Thrawn never actually succeeded in his plans. Mae has “failed upwards” and killed two master Jedi…
I wonder how they are going to kill Master Sol, and what goofiness that will entail. He’s on the list, he has to die!
"Your enemy will not warn you when they attack"
later, "attack me with all your strength!"
And then right before their little kindergarten Fight Club, she said the "Thread" is not a *power*
@@MarStoryTime Yeah it just like Microsoft, android or Apple features that are similar but called differently xD
Exactly. *Her* enemy will not warn her.
Mae is honestly kind of a shitty assassin.
I was kinda hoping after Mae said that, the camera would 180 to Trinity opening her trenchcoat to show about 100 guns. Would have been very cool...
@@edwoodsr Master Indara *pulls two dozen blasters out of her robes* : "Now I will show you the secret technique that my Master taught me, Homura Akemi."
"There is no good or bad. There is only power.." -The Voldemort trying to get Harry to join him.
The Voldemort lol
@@alexmaverick6647 The Voldemort is technically a group noun.
"There is only weight and those to weak to lift it" swoledimort
@@zachrohler1047 I would reread/rewatch the whole series if it was written like that. Maybe AI can help me out here... I want to see all the Death Eaters doing bodybuilder poses as they cast spells at weak and scrawny mudbloods.
@@Tundra. Somebody did render AI images of every Harry Potter character if they were professional body builders
I beleive it all started with Somebody joking about "the Boy who lifted" and it just spun out from there.
Shoutout Fringy, MauLer, and Das for pumping out the Acolyte edits so quickly!
In the description, Mauler Fringy and Das
Yes! This is the only way I'm ever gonna watch this shite.
Gold Sludge is the best.
"Whatever is in your heart, say the opposite" Are we supposed to believe this coven of witches truly care for these kids?
Same thing lois told Peter in family guy lmao
This in isolation? I can easily justify
Jedi: what's your favorite color?
Mae: what's the opposite of red?
[Jedi confer]
Jedi: green
Mae: my favorite color is green
Jedi: are you just saying the opposite of what's in your heart?
Mae: what's the opposite of yes?
Jedi: the force may be strong in this one, but she's so stupid she probably doesn't know rocks are flammable
Tbf it did seem the head witch was ok with letting her go despite her bs she said. That's a rare thing given how covens (or more likely cults) operate.
@@thanatosdriver1938do you actually believe you are going to change a single opinion here with your relentless shilling of this show? Save us all the 5 seconds per comment and let us worry about what we think is grossly unjustifiable crap and what isn’t. Thanks but we don’t care.
Wait, if there's no genetic material from the black woman, how did the alien carry two black human girl twins??
Alientrification
The force got that BBC
Sith magicks is my guess. But I doubt Disney wouldnt have the hostile lesbian poc cult using dark magic
Hey, watch the heckin bigotry.
The power of oppression Olympics.
The children automatically took on the characteristics of the most victimed class.
"The Jedi are bad!" "The Jedi are good!" is actual dialogue in the episode, how do you even make fun of that
"I am GOOD." - notgandalf
"From my point of view, the Jedi are good!"
"Then you are lost!"
"I won't let you leave!"
"What are you going to do?"
"I'll kill you!"
"Um...won't that achieve the same result as me leaving? I won't be around either way."
"First you want to leave, and then you use _logic!_ YOU MUST DIE!"
She's disagreeing with The Message, thus she's no longer human.
In Phantom Menace Qui Gon literally finds the most powerful force user in the galaxy who was born of the force itself and he does not even consider just killing the boy's SLAVER and just taking him. The republic i believe was anti slavery, but the laws of this planet allow slavery, so Qui Gon could not legally take Anakin regardless of what he or his slave mother said. Qui Gon had to use legal means to release Anakin from slavery, and on top of that Shmi insisted Anakin go with them as she knew this was no place for a child to be raised.
The Jedi do not just snatch children, they do not break the law, at least not unless it's VERY necessary.
Even in this very show, Osha goes off to train to be a Jedi, she learns she's not really fit to be one, and she LEAVES. She gets a job and just lives on her own.
So if these space lesbians had just let Osha go try out being a Jedi, she'd have flunked out and probably just come back home a few years later. They just ASSUME the Jedi are evil and will never allow Osha to leave their prison. Like there's NO reason if she did end up becoming a Jedi she could never see them again either, the Jedi thing about attachments is you need to be able to separate yourself from them, because of.... Well, look at what happened when Shmi died, and Anakin couldn't accept her death and move on. That's what it means, no Jedi in any of these movies has ever said Jedi can never ever see their families ever forever.
The Jedi's shortcomings were not because they were evil, they were in the details of how they're a bit too stuck in their ways and overly by the book. They were basically like the annoying lawful good paladin that suffers not even a white lie. Ok not quite that bad, but in that vein. Disney is just trying to recontextualize them as just another form of evil.
It is strange that she decides not to be a Jedi though. Especially because it’s a mystery box.. “for another time”
It’s something that is a bit contrived, and possibly more than a little bit entertained by the bad writing that we never really get any idea why she would leave. It’s a fairly core part that the writers chose to mystery box that conflict, or there’s other reasons she prefers to keep private. If she is held back by her unresolved emotions for her family, okay.
The PTSD about fire seems to be the most likely explanation.
Though, space fire that can burn stone, I would also be frightened.
That’s some serious voodoo going on if she can summon fire. Idk. A real osha violation.
We’ve gone from:
“They fly now”
“They fly now”
“They fly now”
to
“What have you done”
“What have you done”
“What have you done”
See, it’s like poetry…
Suddenly that Within Temptation song is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
It rhymes.
It's like very bad poetry written by the Goth brat about how their soul is so dark they only eat 90% plus dark chocolate.
If we repeat it enough, it rhymes
The quote “Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.” Is the best quote to describe modern western entertainment. Nothing even comes close to that saying to describe these people. Such a brilliant quote.
Spice-cream huh? So the kids want spice which as established in Book of Boba Fett is drugs.
Excellent writing decision!
It fits in with how they’re a messed up cult, though.
@@TheNoonishthat's an excellent point. Most cults love to drug their pateons
"Sounds like Ice Cream, it's fine!"
Sure... Want to light that candle with a FIREARM?!
I am pretty sure it was already established way back in TCW that Spice is a drug.
At least if we're talking about animated shows.
Hondo Onaka demanded a 2 million credits in spice in exchange for Count Dooku.
@@TheNoonish If they are a messed up cult, in a story written by an intelligent person, yes. But the writers give the cult sympathy as if they AREN'T A cult, but instead a family who are being persecuted wrongly.
Like a certain group who share a trait with the witches -_-
The jedi master took the poison because he knew what was coming, it makes sense now.
I wouldn't want to stay in this show either.
The parents literally let the dark side twin do twisted stuff and attack her sister, then they acted shocked when they find out she hates her life and wants to leave. They are doing a hilariously bad job at bluring the line between good and bad.
@@Rickmagnus911 they're literally abuse enablers.
Evil sister’s flash back is gonna be that a space bee spooked the jedi into starting a second fire
Mr. President another Fire has hit the Towers
"That gooberfruit was _destined_ to float into my hand."
That's where we're at. That's what the writing leads to.
"the purpose of propaganda is not to convince but to humiliate"
That better be the official name for it.
But I can pull the Thread and change its destiny... instead of just pulling the fruit...
That, actually sounds like better writing than anything we got in this show.
This is so much better than watching the Acolyte alone. That would send me to a dark place.
It’s hard to believe this is actually Star Wars. This is what Disney did with the most valuable IP they could ever have gotten their hands on.
This channel has been the only way I can observe Disney star wars content without getting violently ill 🤢
It is nice to know that something entertaining and worthwhile can still be created from all that Lucasfilm sludge.
To a dark place this show can lead us. Great care we must take.
@@abalalalalal It's approaching the 13th Doctor BiGeneration Limit, where the show/franchise has been so bastardized that it's unrecognizably awful.
"There is no good or bad, only power"
Villain line if Ive ever heard one
i think a scary snake man once said that
It's like, thing #1 I'd expect any decent Sith to say. And in perfect fitting with Sith philosophy, the very code is entirely about how power is the only thing that matters and is the key to solving all problems. Good or bad, they'd use it. It just so happens that the dark side gives power faster.
Literally Voldemort.
If anyone needs more proof the writers didn’t even try to be original, there we go.
The final episode you realize there are no twins. It’s just a snow globe of an autistic child.
That would make this so much better ...
Normally I'd say don't bring St. Elsewhere into this but I wager watching The Acolyte makes one wish there was a hospital nearby.
Strong. Coming in strong with a st elsewhere reference. I never hated any final movie or tv episode more than st elsewhere. First time I saw Denzel was that show. Great actors on that show. A fucking snow globe.
Camera pans back and it's just Headland in a straitjacket in a padded room.
@@S4ns They're saving that for the behind the scenes documentary.
When I heard give the children spice I’m like tf that is a hard core drug that is banned across the galaxy cause it’s so dangerous
Totally a cult thing to do.
It’s like how Coca-cola had cocaine
Nah it probably wasn't banned yet 😂
These people have no idea regarding lore of SW. They are only interested in exploring their sexuality and preaching their religion to others
Hey man, theres spice, and then there's *spice*. It's like how there's weeds, and then there's *weed*.
They literally took everything that made Anakin Skywalker. His sacrifice didn’t mean a thing Palpatine survived. His bloodline is gone. Now he ain’t even the 1st one to be born from the force itself smh.
But now he got the title of Deathstar-Destroyer - that's something.
gonna throw in the idear here.
he was born fromt he force, these tow were created by a witch cult. very different origins, just the tools are similar.
Anakin grew up to become Space Hitler. Let's not make him out to be Space Jesus.
@@TonyMidyett Palpatine would be Space-Hitler, the one in charge who let other people do the killing.
And George Lucas brought up the whole Space-Jesus-thing. Which i'm still mad about after all these years, because the whole prophecy- and created by the force-story was totally pointless.
Luke wasn't special aside from being force-sensitive, he was just Obi-Wans and Yodas last hope - aside from Leia in reserve - because there was nobody else left (they knew of, not counting all the Jedi still running around in the EU and also the Disney-continuity).
And Anakin also didn't need to be more than a normal, yet pretty powerful Padawan, who's arrogance and hunger for power had him Fall for the Dark Side.
Sorry, but every time the whole Chosen One-story is mentioned i can't hold back my rage ... i know, possible Sith-candidate.
@@TonyMidyett To be fair, he’s both
Did the prophecy made looooooooong ago by the Longman finally become reality?
Is the Force, in fact, the Big Ghey?
Praise the spiders!
The spiders always know
They're the big straight if anything. That's how it got Dem witches preggers.
The ghey force spiders foretold of this moment, and look! It passes!
Actual line: "The Jedi are bad."
Actual response: "The Jedi are good."
F*ckin Shakespeare
Shakespeare has been quiet since this came out
@@nont18411 i think that was him dying twice
Shivers.
It’s like they wrote the bones of what they wanted the interaction to be, and never went back and changed it.
Girl raised by lesbian mothers immediately emotionally bonds to the first father figure to appear, the most realistic part of this show.
Brilliant haha
Because he shows her his lightsaber...
@@Сайтамен this is the way
I feel like, ironically, Koral (THE BIRTH MOTHER) was trying to be a father figure. She's aggressive towards outsiders she feels are a threat to her children, and she is trying to raise them with a firm hand and some discipline. However because the idea of fatherhood is toxic to the freaks writing this dreck, they deliberately wrote that her attempts were impotent and that she had previously ceded all parenting responsibility to the more feminine (however loosely) of the two of them. Hence the spoiled upbringing and Osha's desire for a proper father figure.
20:46
"I carried them."
"I created them."
The feminist idiots writing this dogshit just implied that people involved in creating children should have a say about what happens to those children even though they weren't in that person's body.
Whatever happened to "my body, my choice," or does it not apply here for some reason?
I thought I was apathetic, I was not near apathetic enough
"Man who thought he'd lost all hope loses additional bit of hope he didn't know he had." -Onion headline
Many people are finding out how truly resilient they are because Disney won't stop creating crap. I feel like apathy would be a relief for many fans but it's surprisingly far off.
Torbin felt so guilty for [watches episode 3] going along with other Jedi in a mission to recruit a youngling into the Jedi Order and got briefly frozen by a witch's power during that trip.
He had a flashback to the cringe and then noped right out of the series...
@@jonsimpson6240he's seen things we people couldn't believe and wants for all those moments to be lost like tears in rain.
@@MediumRareOpinions they haven't seen what he has seen. THERE'S A TEMPEST IN HIM.
Yeah, he'll probably be the one to kill all the witches with poison, but because he got manipulated by horny Zabrak witch. So, really, it's a self-own.
I forgot what it was the erked me and that was it, you fuckin got it. WHAT happened here that was so bad he spent like 10 years in a funny bubble and immedately killed himself. Unless it was the jedi who butchered everyone there, not the fire or smilo ren he has no reason to want to die.
the modern force is when you say vague philosophical sentences and close your eyes.
And just insert your own metaphor and pretend it’s different than the old metaphor.
Seriously, I feel like modern Star Wars doesn't understand that the force in not just a tool, it's not pressing a button in your head to make shit happen, it requires you to take on a mindset in order to tap into it's power. If your only philosophical foundation is hollow or shaky, you ain't gonna be doing much with the force. Which is why Torbin being such a powerhouse despite suffering from such crippling guilt and doubt that he was ready to kill himself at Mae's suggestion makes no sense.
@@nobody2996 this. Why tf was he so strong yet felt so guilty? According to them, Obi wan lost his way after "killing" Anakin.
Sounds like modern Star trek
Crossing arms is also highly recommended
I used to think Star Wars was a tragedy I now realize… it’s a comedy
Comedy = Tragedy + Time
I realized that when i saw TRoS - it was the best comedy-movie of 2019!
A tragedy is tragic because terrible things happen to people who don’t deserve it.
So yes, Star Wars is a comedy, because they most definitely all deserve it.
Why is gatekeeping important? This. This is why. Keep them out of anything you enjoy because this is what always happens when they worm their way in.
And when they get in, they will turn it around and tell you, that you aren't welcomed.
@@Mattyman1987 they already did that when mindlessly accepting them.
💯
Women ☕️
@@sirpepeofhousekek6741 my dude, female star wars fans absolutely hate what the woke mob did to SW too
The Shlurpolite, Episode 3
In a flashback episode, we get the origins of Good Shlurpo and Bad Shlurpo on the planet Shlurpo. Their mother was actually Black Anne Boleyn, who one day fell in love with Yaddle.
"Scissor me timbers, you must" said Yaddle...
And so, enough friction was generated that the Force was created that same day and, miraculously, Good and Bad Shlurpo came into existence. Many years passed, and the Shlurpo's wanted to initiate the twins into their totally not a cult. They were about to do this when Ho Lee Fuk, Darth Porkins, Dr Phil and whoever else is a Jedi Master, I don't know, brought in child protective services. Good Shlurpo wanted to become a Jedi, Bad Shlurpo did not. A massive fire broke out, apparently killing Bad Shlurpo and all the other members of the Church of Latter Day Shlurpo's, but Good Shlurpo survived, and there we are back in the present.
Oh and there was an interpretive dance number in there at some point.
I just wanted to go to sleep, now I'm sitting here wide awake laughing
Amazing comment
"The power of one Schlurpo,
The power of two Schlurpo,
THE POWER OF *MANY SCHLURPOS!!"*
This comment needs more like and pinned!
@@silverscorpio24"I am all the schlurpos!"
"And I... I'm all the FBI!"
Somehow this show turned into a commentary on homeschooling versus public education in the strangest way possible.
Wouldn't the jedi be private school?
@@johnsmack2537 They seem to be the people who officially teach people how to use the Force in the Republic, and nobody else is supposed to teach children to use the force. It seems like it graphs onto the allegory of the public school system. This story feels like Child Protective Services showing up, concerned that the kids aren't getting a proper education.
Pretty sure it's unintended but that's how it comes off.
@@TheNoonish Yeah, I was getting Waco vibes from how the episode plays out. I guess we'll see how accurate an analogy that is when we see the 'reverse flashback' episode that explains this one.
If this turned out to be true and the showrunners ran with it, I'd find it very unsettling if I heard Harvey Weinstein's assistant tell me homeschooling is bad.
@@MisterLindsay They'll probably retcon it even harder than Glass Onion does with Jedi mind tricks on Osha. As if Mae wouldn't gaslight her.
14:06 “Everything I need is here.”
*Have you ever met a child who just… wasn’t curious at all?*
It's actually a mark of a child raised in a cult.
A brainwashed cult child who’s been taught not to question her elders, yes.
@@DUKEzorsimagine that… the brainwashing children witch cult are the good guys… in a Disney property…
Yup it’s a mark of developmental disability or stagnation, not some sign of maturity or intelligence.
@@DUKEzors A cult or some other kind of abusive environment, usually because they've either been taught to distrust everything outside of the cult, or they're abused for being curious.
This show is so much of a confession by the writers/staff, or they're showing how tone deaf they are to what they're actually writing.
I don't know why, but the name of the planet feels like the creators just took a name of their friend, Brenda, and changed the ending of it to sound more space like, turning it into Brendok. Brilliant writing. Well done.
ngl as someone horrible at creatively naming something, I randomly generate a name and then add gibberish into it :( I'm sorry
@@sigy4everBut when that's what it comes off as from "professional" Hollywood writers, it just looks really f*cking dumb.
@@sigy4ever Tip for naming anything, search up names or words meaning something related to what you're naming from a certain language or culture and if you need to tweak them slightly by changing a letter or two than it at least sounds better. Better than random generation as at least it means something. So if you are naming a warrior, find a name that means brave, fearless, warrior, fighter or so on. If you're naming a planet that is bright red, find a word meaning red, fire, hot or warm and so on.
Yeah we have really bad writers making names like Mordor and Gondor Rivendell and Hobbiton
Brendok… what a terrible name am I right? /s
It really sounds more like a village from Lord of the Rings.
Gandalf: "And these are the ruins of thr village Brandok. It's women turned to Sauron for power and he twisted and manipulated them, causing them to destroy their own homes."
The amount of time that passes for Torbin to go from Padawan to Master doesn't add up to me.
There are sixteen years between this episode and his death, but he spent 10 of those year meditating. Apparently he went from padawan to master in 6 years.
@BiggieTrismegistus Yeah, that's the issue. To become a master you must become a knight and successfully train a Padawan of your own. He couldn't do that in 6 years, but this is The Acolyte, so it's all just garbage in the end
The "whadya bring me" at the end of every EFAP TV is the only thing that brings joy in my life.
Jedi don't just take kids for training by force. Did we forget the plot of the Phantom Menace? Qui-Gon had to find a way to release Anakin, and discussed it with his mother.
What a fucking trainwreck
Also aint Osha too old for training anyway, or are we forgetting that plot point of Phantom Menace as well?
Yeah, the parents have to agree to it. It's been a Republic law regarding the Jedi for, jeez I don't know, at least a thousand years, since the Jedi Sith Wars and after that 13th battle they had.
"It's not a force to be used, its a thead you pull. You know, pulling, which is applying force."
May the Tension be with you
Way too much physics, they couldn't even understand force if it hit them.
The “No attachment” thing was always dumb and I assumed it was Lucas criticizing the Jedi for causing Anakin to go to the dark side. Luke clearly had an attachment to his father and his friends. Luke’s “faith in his friends” was how they won in Return of the Jedi
And luke attachment nearly caused him to mow Vader down in rage. He only hulled back last second.
@@7632ios Vaders attachment to Luke guilt tripped him into overthrowing(literally) the emperor. Anakin brought balance to the force not Luke.
@@kylevernon He let go of his attachment/fears and acted selflessly for the first time in like 20 years.
@@7632ios He acted selflessly because of his love for his son. If it wasnt for Luke's screams and all his faith in Vader to make the right choice then he never wouldve killed the Emperor.
@@7632iosAre you intentionally LARPing as a drooling 'tard, or is this not an act?
Every single scene had the potential to go farther than 1 inch deep with the dialogue and explain what the fuck is going on with the motives and ambitions behind each character and EVERY SINGLE TIME it boils down to "I want to do this" "You shouldn't do that" "This thing is what is good and right" "We dont like x and y"
It's pathetic.
This was in development for 4 years. How did they not come up with anything to say?
Moral complexity and depth are beyond these creatures.
The writers of this show can’t write.
is the coven supposed to be so entirely vague that anyone who feels persecuted against can insert themselves and feel validated?
Only if you’re not white and/or not male.
I'm pretty sure it's just meant to appeal to the LGBTLMNOP community as an allegory for homophobia. As you said, though, the vagueness is probably there because last minute they thought that they couldn't exclude anyone, so they dialed up the vagueness.
I think it's more that the writer's didn't think about the culture past surface elvel aesthetics.
@@bertimusprime7900 haha gay people hahaha
The Force isn't completely inconsistent and constantly being retconned, it's just female.
It’s the Force’s time of the month.
What's the difference?
If the Force provides the sperm and not the egg (the witches provide the egg), is the Force actually female though?
@@aquapendulumin 2024, the Force can have a penis and call itself female
@@aquapendulum The Force is shemale.
This show is supposed to be "Kill Bill" meets "Frozen" according to Leslye Headland. I would love to hear what Quentin Tarantino thinks of this show.
“Why are they wearing shoes?” - Quenbo Tarantaggins
The frozen part makes sense. In that movie one sister is evil and causes a massive disaster that had to have killed dozens if not hundreds of people, let alone all the animals killed by her winter wonderland, and yet the movie wants you to think her liberation from self control is a good thing. The show is gonna end with Mae did nothing wrong, the people trying to keep the cultists at bay are the bad ones.
i'm so glad they created the High Republic era instead of trying to cram this nonsense into an existing era
The Old Republic was a bit too cerebral for them
As you guys elaborated on, Star Wars is NOT a difficult galaxy to write for. With some fleeting brainstorming between you, the bare bones of a far more interesting story was born and you didn't need hundreds of millions to put it together. It's sad that's where we're at with the franchise but that's the reality. Kennedyfilm's creatives are complete and utter brainlets.
"Right now you want to be a Jedi, but as you grow, what you want, it changes, it shifts."
This is the PERFECT anti-grooming argument, yet is in a Disney production. Headland should be very worried...
I thought the same thing lol
yeah and also incredibly hypocritical coming from the child-grooming witch den mother
They are not self-aware enough to realize this.
Simple explanation, they think “their” way of being is the correct way and they think others will come to see things the way they want them to, so it’s not an issue.
Ironically they're grooming her too, forcefully turning her into a witch.when she doesn't want to.
Oh my god, I know what Disney is doing. It's Jacen and Jaina, twins, one sith and one jedi. Fuck me
I don't think the people who made this show are even aware those characters exist.
@@SolarDragon007 I think someone who knew had to pitch the idea, and the only thing that survived was "Good twin, bad twin".
This isn't restricted to Jacen and Jaina. A lot of brothers and sisters in SW alone ended up splitting with one turning evil and the other good.
@@corruptangel6793 Ulic Qel-Droma and his brother come to mind.
@@SolarDragon007Fioni does know and he is the creative director of star wars now. Wouldn't shock me if he is ripping more EU themes off like he did with Thrawn.
All of the dialogue this episode felt like everyone was failing speech checks but there was no consequence for failing the checks.
DM trying to railroad the plot along because he didn't have any backup plans for the parties terrible rolls
God this is going to be the same thing as Batwoman where the heroine keeps giving her psycho sister the benefit of the doubt despite her sister having no redeemable qualities
YES! Ryan and Theo are still here 😊 They better be here the whole ride
Pretty sure they will.
Ryan is our professional Star Wars therapist
Theo is chained to his chair lol
Theo complaining about bad content is one of the most cathartic and entertaining things on Efap
Sorry theo, but i love seeing you suffer, but thankfully we're getting arcane season 2 this year
👹: "They better be here the whole ride"
Cruel man, cruel.
Boba Fett, the crime lord, is like “We need to crack down on the spice trade.”
Lesbian cultists are like “C’mn, give the children some Spice candy!” Are we supposed to be making values judgments on their use of drugs?
Evil sister is 100% responsible, but the writers will tell us that it's the Jedi's fault. This is how it always goes. These people can't help but to write villain's as the hero because they don't understand good & evil.
The Jedi and their relationship with kids has gone from “well, maybe the kid has talent but he has to prove he really wants it” to being the circle of mages from Dragon Age.
The idea of a failed padawan and the jedi who taught them being thrown together again by a shared tragedy and the scars of the past is actually a pretty good pitch. Which is what makes this show all the more disappointing.
You could have the father/daughter bond they have be the emotional through line and the reason things didnt work out in the past. She wanted a dad after losing her family and he was unwilling and to devoted to the cause to be that for her. She Failed her trials and once the inciting incident that frames her for something she didnt do occurs he goes rogue because he believes her. The plot being them trying to clear her name, and the emotional barriers they had between each other being knocked down.
You just wrote a better show in this one TH-cam comment than this entire team of “writers” that are responsible for this fucking abortion.
Soooooo if anakin went full rouge when ashoka was framed in the clone wars?
@@zachrohler1047 sure, but that relationship is more of a sibling one then what I'm purposing. Found family is common through line in star wars. So it seems natural that since we've already done sibling like relationships, someone learning to be a father and redeeming himself for failing in the past would be a nice rarrangement of that dynamic.
Also fathers are a big motif in star wars anyway.
The force has impregnated more women than God at this point.
The force is Zeus :)
The Force Is Horny
I just hope the force pays child support
At least Jesus actually accomplished something.
Reminds me of plinkett line about palpatine spreading his force sperm or whatever so Rey can exist
Witch fire melts steel beams.
Planet Brendok was an inside job
But a lightsaber can't cut through livers efficiently anymore.
“Guys I think we need to fuck up the force some more”
When the Wookie turned around and paused after the little girl got his attention, I swear to god I was ready for him to just start speaking English. Fuck it. They've ruined everything else, why not this?
Imagine that lol, just a proper posh British accent
@@kylegray1060 I *hate* how guaranteed this is to happen eventually. Those expectations aren't gonna subvert themselves.
Like the oddly normal voices the Mon Calamari had in Mando? With that retcon are we to believe Akbar just had a speech impediment?
Young Osha: "Hi."
Wookiee (turns) : "Oh shit. There goes the planet."
Wasn't there a Wookie who could speak Basic? From the Thrawn Trilogy.
He was an imperial slave, iirc.
Funny thing is, you know that the angle they're going to go for is that the Jedi wiped out the witches and that's why Mae is secretly a good, misunderstood character.
But, Mae literally tried to kill Osha here. Regardless of what the Jedi would later do, the fact is not changed that MAE LITERALLY TRIED TO MURDER OSHA. The Jedi's actions have no bearing on that.
I can answer the question about the rocks burning. It's the same material they were mining in the quarry in Kenobi. You know, the pile of rocks that set on fire to mildly irritate Obi Wan as he lay in them but then facilitated his escape when they set on fire again.
"you want to be a jedi now, but you're young"
Is that episode a parallel to our times? Is it teaching us that children are not grown to make lifetime decisions they could later regret - like... I don't know... gender transition? I totally agree.
Im not sure woke LGBT leftist writers intended such message, but I totally agree.
🎶🎶The power of one, the power of two, the power of looooooonggghh 🎶🎶
The writers for this show want us to empathize with the Coven of Space Witches, but wrote them like the Jamestown cult... Why are they so stupid?
* Rants about how their entire group needs secluded from larger society because larger society hates them: *Check*
* Blames all issues on the fact larger society is so hostile: *Check*
* Claims larger society is violent, which makes them bad, while they use that same violence: *Check*
* Claims their culture is just misunderstood and oppressed, while they reject the idea anyone could choose to live any other way: *Check*
* Forbids and restricts people from leaving, including responding violently: *Check*
* Responds to any outsiders with aggression, even when those outsiders just want to (seemingly) establish diplomatic relations: *Check*
* Will kill and torture outsiders, even the young, to set an example: *Check*
20:46
"I carried them."
"I created them."
The feminist idiots writing this dogshit just implied that people involved in creating children should have a say about what happens to those children even though they weren't in that person's body.
Whatever happened to "my body, my choice," or does it not apply here for some reason?
God, hearing their stupid shit about destiny makes me long for Jolee Bindo.
"Everyone sees someone with great potential and suddenly they say Destiny! But sometimes swirling force is just swirling force"
How wise. They jettisoned it from canon, of course. Shows how foolish they are.
Jolee Bindo is too good for this universe now.
Jolee was based. God both KOTOR games had some great characters.
I remember the random “Pulling a Bindo” line you can say from nowhere in KOTOR 2, which despite making ZERO sense for The Outcast to say, was still amusing.
@@MattR8605 And the second did some oi the things this corpse of a story is trying to convey well with darth Kreia.
RIP Lesbian Witch Jonestown.
“Old-man Youngman” I cried laughing to death💀.
Did I miss something? Why does Mae want revenge? She's the one who killed everyone! #theJedididnothingwrong
The kid's clearly a deranged psychopath, a pyromaniac who tried to burn her own sister alive cause she wanted to join the scholarship they were offered. Now she goes around telling the teachers that she wants them to hurt her like some sort of masochist. I wouldn't think too much about her reasoning, like how I wouldn't think too much about Jeffrey Dahmer's reasoning.
They made her do it. Now, feel sorry for her.
But she had a big sad tho
The idea is this episode isn't actually what happened. Just her fragmented memory of it. That's probably just fans coping over terrible writing... but how else do you explain stone bursting into flames
I like that the kids are played by two clearly different actresses and yet one grows up to look exactly like the other.
Lesbomancy is path way to many abilities.
Yeeeeep. The marketing (and the shills) love emphasizing that the actresses are ‘twins’ as if there isn’t a pretty big difference between identical and fraternal.
I dont get why they just didnt have a single child actor play both roles and use camera trickery
@@Ericshadowblade Laziness. That would take time energy and talent.
23:45 The hardest I’ve laughed at Star Wars since that dragon spewed up an entire child.
Even the edit felt like it was in on how dumb that was. EVEN THE CHILD ACTOR! 😂
If you had told me three years ago that a lesbian Star Wars writer would create a Star Wars scene where a bunch of women do a vague hippie Force dance while they celebrate being witches, it would have felt too on the nose. But here it is.
@@TheNoonish Unfortunately, I wasn’t laughing at that scene. My mouth was just agape and I was deeply cringing and confused, like walking in on your grandparents having sex.
I didn’t even know what I was watching or how it could’ve been done.
Alright Rags and Ryan should definitely write a Star Wars story. Mauler and Fringy as script doctors.
Even in space black fathers leave their kids, this show confirms it.😂
Imagine during a ritual, one of the witches fucks up and instead of giving the leader power, she force pushes her into the bottomless pit
"It's like every single set that they have is just, like, a city with a bazaar where people are sellin' stuff."
--FRINGO STARR
good gravy, it's perfect. that's _exactly_ right. Fringy has nailed it - the Disney Star War. that clean, corporate, boring feeling these projects have. the sameness of it all. and it's absolutely that bazaar atmosphere.
I'm sure it would be too cynical to be true that Walt Disney World Resorts and Hotels, (Book Tickets Now Special Offer Link Here) all offered such clean, bizarre Star Wars bazaars at each of their parks. correct?
You might even say… it’s *bizarre!*
Haha, I’ll be here all series.
Just noting that the "good" and "moral" witch almost Qyburned the twins for no reason at all.
Qyburn needs to be used as a verb more often.
Don't you know that goodness and morality are relative and subjective. So they don't really exist. There are brainlets that believe that a show like this accurately describes the philosophies of moral relativism. It does seem like Leslie is trying to preach that good doesn't really exist, I wonder why?
That's funny you guys talk as though they haven't been making the Jedi the bad guys instead of just a flawed order literally every one of their shows and movies, (and probably games) just like the New Republic are always barely there, barely established, incompetent or just flat out evil, you talk about reliable narrator well when your narrators are psychopaths, completely obsessed with themselves and their yada yada identities then of course they'll decide that what is generally depicted as good and is supposed to be the good guys (because you know there is good and evil, everything isn't gray like they want to paint it in every media today!) Then of course you're going to end up with the bad guys being misunderstood and the good guys absolutely sucking, isn't that right Kenobi? Luke? Han? They are talentless and creatively bankrupt and as much as people try and Salvage these dumb stories they come up with most of them are unsalvageable and completely soulless, they have no purpose or reason or passion behind them, so they always fail as a pale imitation that doesn't even slightly fit with the thing that it's attempting to latch and leech itself onto, it's just a parasite with the host that it's connected to being a lot more healthy and whole without it there.
What does that mean?
@@aredjayc2858 Watch "MauLer and Wolf's live reaction to the death of Qyburn" and you'll get it. That's what instantly popped into my head at this scene.
"I don't want you to go become a Jedi because we'll be seperated for a long time, so instead I'm going to kill you which definitely won't ensure that I never see you again and in a manner that is sure to kill everybody else I love as well."
This is an insult to the intelligence of children her age. Absolutely flawless antagonist.
And they're trying to sell us that she's morally grey and seeking revenge for the right reason while in reality she's a possesive psycho.
It's pretty much how a possessive, manipulative abuser thinks, though. Perfectly projected onto a child. Meant to represent Lesbian Headlamp's desire to get her estranged sister back. Interesting, huh?
"If I can't keep you for myself, nobody can" is actually some unmistakable villainous mentality. Bet this show is gonna turn her into a Reva though. Redemption arc coming up!
So Mae was a Yandere all along. As if her being a Naruto knock-off wasn't bad enough.
@@AnnaMarianneWeinstein surely did something to her mental health too.
I really hope they address the fact that Torbin was already an old looking master when he went into his coma thing ten years prior, yet six years before that he was a young padawan lmao
"There are no children here" ... WE CAN SEE THEM!!!!
Your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them.
Why do you think they had to screech how gay they were when they wrote the show... there wasn't a chance anyone would fund this dogshit otherwise.
"Where's momma?"
"Momma's dead."
"Which one? The black one or the horned one?"
The force is required to give birth inside a womb, so the force is actually male?
But if the horned ones carried the kids how come they don't have any horns at all?
same reason why Hera son Jake (I think too lazy to look it up) doesn't have tentacles on his head, to save money on makeup
I guess human genes are superior?
This episode is great study material for inconsistency in writing.
"This is your fate - you can choose."
> "Hey, Republic Law!"
"We will have to test your children - with your permission."
< "I'm hostile to you and we aren't under Republic law and you said you need our permission. Oh sure, why not?"
And by god, the amount of characters talking past each other or not addressing the core subject.
oooo- I just noticed Rags animated discord icon, I love the 8bit lipsync style!
Watching modern Star Wars is like attending a closed casket funeral.
And the murderer gives the eulogy.
Don't you mean open casket? We can see the disfigured remains
And the deceased was shot in the face 50 times point blank with a shotgun.
I just saw the worst thing ever. An article claiming that "what we see in the Acolyte about the Jedi Order proves that Luke Skywalker was right in The Last Jedi when he said the Jedi needed to end."
Fucking kill me.
They’re just moving the goal post with wreckless abandon
Seriously this is akin to disqualifying a winning basketball team by going back and rewriting the rules of fouls and traveling, after the game that is
They obviously want to justify bringing palpy back despite the Chosen One Prophecy. They’re solution is clearly to claim that Anakin was indeed not a birth from the Force itself to counter the Sith, no! He’s now a more artificial immaculate conception like these two
This will be the last analogy but it’s akin to running over a kids dog and trying to assure that kid that they never had a dog
I call dibs on the kidneys.
19% Audience rating: Power of Manyyyyyyyyyyyyy
😂😂😂😂😂
34:46 “You’ll never feel like this again.”
Okay, Jedi as intended suppress and attempt to control their emotions. Because everyone feels them. Of course they do.
Who translated that notion into “Jedi just don’t feel emotion”? Is the Jedi Order exclusively made of psychopaths?
Actually, that explains so much from Disney Star Wars. Carry on.
These are people who vilify stoicism and celebrate public tantrums- this is their rot.
Same thing happens with Vulcans in trek.
They misunderstand control over base emotions for lacking them.
I feel like the idea of a completely emotionless jedi, that perhaps even unintentionally falls to the dark side by becoming super dogmatic to jedi tenets is a neat concept.
But it's a concept that would've been explored in the old republic, or even in this new jedi order that Disney wants Rey to create. In fact, go the full mile. Have Rey create a corrupt jedi order, that's basically a shadow government. You want evil jedi? There it is.
Frozen and it’s consequences have been a disaster for storytelling.
Dang, what did Frozen do? I say that as someone who hates it passionately.
Huh?
@@spencergilchrist1457 I’m kind of kidding since the show runner cited it as an inspiration, but it was a pioneer of “subverted expectations”, turning old and meaningful storytelling conventions upside down without understanding why these stories had endured for so many generations in the same essential form.
It’s also just not very good, yet made a ton of money and has become culturally significant in the realm of stories about sisters. Lastly, it of course portrays all men as either antagonistic or useless.
Lastly-lastly also bad lesbian allegory.
Also, celebrating a complete lack of self control with their most popular song. Elsa getting away from the consequences of her winterpocalypse that would've killed dozens of not hundreds of humans, let alone animals, plus the following starvation from interrupting the crop yield for the year. No consequences, twisted morality.
Well, I got my answers and reawakened decades-old trauma gained from watching and rewatching this movie with sisters who treated it like a holy text. Can't say that was on my bingo card for things that would happen while viewing a reaction video for Disney Star Wars.
The idea of the Jedi going to 'recruit' a child and the child and parents and community refusing is something that has NEVER been really addressed, and really, really needs to be. How do the Jedi deal with that? My guess is they'd keep an eye on them and warn the community they'll be back if there are signs they go bad. This is one of about ten different compelling ideas this story is completely missing and squandering.
Gotta say, really loving this coverage more than your usual stuff. No hate, just saying you guys are kinda on fire for this one. Bringing Ryan and Theo was really wise, and listening to you all tear into the show but also dive deep on why the show isn't working from both a writing perspective and a "Star Wars" perspective has been great so far. Got Ryan with his 12 pack of haterade and his deep knowledge of the mythos, and you got Theo's razor wit and his PTSD from Clone Wars. Great panel.
Both moms come across as parents trying to get their sons to transition into girls, and the Jedi came across as CPS trying to see what the kids really wanted.
Right around the 51:00 someone starts saying "the jedi should have been there from the start." Totally right of course, and it's another common problem among Hollywood writers: they write the episode in the wrong order.
If the Jedi had their "they're here" talk first then establish the antagonistic relationship, you give Osha an alternative to being a witch you save the ceremony for later after actually exploring all the motives and perspectives after testing and after the weave talk. Or something like that. Its like they don't watch the finished product, or don't do storyboards or something. It's baffling.
32:00 _"Mae started a fire . . ."_
Totally agree that that's misdirection. We'll find out around episode 6-7 that the Jedi started the fire because . . . patriarchy or something. And the writers will think it's the most amazing reveal ever.
Guaranteed they're going to show the jedi be the aggressors while the witches are going to be all peaceful in a later flashback. Even though these witches were doing crazy shit like spawning life using the force and indoctrinating these children they're going to try really hard to make the witches look like the victims. So tired of disney constantly shitting on the jedi 🤬
Cult leader lady said "Weapons down. No violence." just before the Jedi arrived and she psychically paralysed one of them without provocation or warning. Every spare moment reeks of first-draft syndrome.
Also I'm glad that our stalwart team of reactors picked up on the missing half of the flashback story. A lot of commentators out there right now are making definitive statements about this when we don't have all the references yet. Guaranteed it'll be cancer but there's no reason to be inaccurate just to keep up with the zeitgeist. Patience. It'll get worse.
They dealt with the will of the force so much better with Kreia in KOTOR 2. Not perfect, but so much better.
Weird how you can have morally complex and interesting female characters as long as they aren't written by Disney.
with kreia, we know she's flawed. it's intentional.
Chris avellone wrote kreia to be his mouthpiece critiquing the light/dark dichotomy of the force.
but as he continued working on KOTOR 2, he ended up gaining an appreciation of the force, and this is reflected in kreia. she says contradictory statement's, and her logic is flawed.
But she still remains a brilliant character, and possibly the best representation of force nihilism.