Friends are the ones that visit you in prison, and tell you you was an asshole,, but still look forward to their friends release. Take at look at all the TH-cam friends,, that was not friends at all. You are really supposed to help your friends in the right direction,, they was there to offer him a knife in his back, with a twist,,,insted.
I'm not a fan of Emma, but there is something seriously annoying and unsettling about this guy. He looks like the kind of guy that will spread nasty rumors about you at the office while acting like your best friend.
His real problem, is that instead of friends to help him in the right direction. He had these TH-cam friends, that was so fast to distances them self, and just throw him under the bus. Yes it's a really bad choice to ask fans for nudes,, and being under 16 in the UK it is apparently also illegal. (Here in Denmark it's 15,, and you can have all the X you want) His TH-cam "friends" has pissed all over him, for something that might have been rated like a couple of parking tickets.
@@MyPlayHouse I think a lot of people are missing a few things here. This does not fall under any sort of age of consent law. He was asking for nudes, so it falls under the Protection of Children act, which deals with child pornography. Any "indecent" image of a person below the age of 18 therefore is considered child pornography. Did the 15 y/o seem like 18 to him? Maybe. Did he know for sure? He did not. Even if it came to consent laws, he would have to "reasonably believe" (quoting the law text here) that she was at least 16. "Reasonably believe" in this context means that he had "reason to believe" she was at least 16 or, in this case, 18. So only if she would have told him that she was 18 or if her profile said such a thing (neither was the case to my knowledge), would this have been excusable in front of a judge. Not asking for her age and just going "Oh well, I'm gonna assume she is of age" still makes you guilty of the offense, in the eyes of the law and from an ethical perspective as well. ESPECIALLY given the whole power dynamic considering that she was a fan. Given the latter, this would even add a layer of coercion. So, he can go "I didn't know, I was young and stupid" all he wants: he is still in the wrong and, if my aforementioned points hold true, guilty. THAT is his real problem.
My PlayHouse no, no. This is not even close to “a couple of parking tickets”. This is an abuse of power, knowing she was a fan, and asking a child for under age pictures, saying he didn’t know, is not an excuse. We will never actually know whether he knew or not. Edwin says he wants to hold people accountable for their actions. He’s not holding Karim accountable for his.
@@yknowthatgirl have you seen Karim's videos? I really hope she was attracted to his good looks and not the 20-ish rathere pour videos he had made. He had the power of good looks and someone you wanted to be more than friendly with,,, just not that fast.. (15 years is the legal age here,, so here it would be perfectly fine) But ready to stone a man for some poor choices we are.
I remember watching her before her "In Persuit of a Dream" series. About a year after that ordeal happened, she made a video about her breakdown and she realigned her channel and I started watching her again but she's gone right back into her shitty videos and I unsubbed again. I checked her channel recently but she has deleted a lot of her videos that seemed like her best videos Sorry for the paragraph, I just miss how she used to be before she got so caught up in herself and her music
Yarh do not become friends, with any TH-camrs,, they WILL throw you under the Bus, first chance they get to bring a bit of drama to there channel. (Friends are the ones that are there through the good and the bad) Everyone makes some bad choices,, this is not helping any one, it's just polishing own halo.
@@MyPlayHouse Nah man. Yeah, friend help each other out in good and bad, not in disgusting and unacceptable. If my friend told me he had done something like this I would have asked him to accept the responsibility of his actions, but honestly? I would want to get away from him too. This is not about the power of friendship, just about being honest and standing by your own sense of morality.
@@Spaguettification My best estimate is that if you have more than just 2 friends,, you will in fact know that one or more of your friends has done far worse stuff than this. You know it,,, if that thing came out,, he could go to prison. You know this person..
Regardless of age or mental status at the time, asking any fan for sexual pictures is not acceptable, abusing your position of power to ask for nudes from anyone, yet alone a 15 year old cannot be supported. I understand that he could have been going through some tough things, and would have supported him through depression, but using your power to ask for sexual favours or revealing photos is a form of manipulation. Also to the defense that "he didn't know that she was 15" - she said she was in school. A normal person would have thought to ask.
While I agree with some of the points made in this video, you did kind of drag Emma through the dirt yet claiming she did the same thing; which is very obviously hypocritical since you seem to, throughout this video, want to condemn that type of behavior. (Just stating my opinion) ALSO, I do have to say that adding those irrelevant points such as a slump in her TH-cam views and such is honestly just petty.
@@smji5269 ngl I found his channel from the zheani stuff and I think it was around video 3 that I started to feel like he was just milking a situation for views. I still don’t know how to feel about Edwin (but I’m not watcher so ig it dm haha)
If you want to talk about accountability so badly, how about we talk about why you delete critic/negative comments. You could at least address it and hold yourself accountable for it... O wait is my comment still here???
@@christyfielding7498 This video came out over 3 months ago... But the only negative comments still existing are from 1 month or less ago... When loads of people have stated in the comment section that they had made negative comments and they're gone... People would know if TH-cam was removing them... So, yeah... That would mean he's deleting them...
You do realise Emma is allowed her own opinions? And she's allowed to make whatever choices she wants to in her life? And you don't need to shade her for every single tiny thing she says and does? If she feels like she needs to distance herself or disassociate herself from someone then let her fucking do it, she clearly will have her own reasons behind it or she wouldn't do it in the first place.
Emma is funny and makes great music,, she does not hold any abilities as a peace negotiator ;-/ she is really good at esculateing,,, Emma lost 2K subscribers with her video yesterday and is losing hundreds of subs every day. If she wanted to distances herself from this, after a two month long thinking brake,,, she had that choice,, and did clearly not use it.
you know, the actual fucked up thing is you giving people like this karim guy who, with proof, mind you, asked underaged fans for nudes, a platform to "speak his side of things". Whether he knew they were underage or not, that doesn't erase the fact that he used his influence over fans (there's a power struggle and it makes it wrong no matter the age of the other person) to ask for nudes. It's wrong, he doesn't deserve to explain his sides of things because there's nothing to explain to justify his actions.
Sorry,, everyone has the right to defend their friends or them self. You should also stand up for your friends. Tell them when they have messed up,, but stay around. Lot's of people does REALLY bad things to them self, when they get this sort of backlash for a couple of inappropriate tweets.
>twenty-something asks 15 year old for nudes >suffers backlash for it >"BuT i WaS dEpReSsEd" mental state has no bearing on the fact that a non-minor used his position of power to pressure a minor into sending nudes. none. at all. emma shouldn't have remorse for saying "fuck this guy," but you should have remorse for trying to drum up support FIVE YEARS AFTER EVERYONE THOUGHT HE HAD FADED INTO OBSCURITY. jesus h macy y'all, enough is *enough*
mental state having no bearing on someone's ridiculous actions can easily be disproven by basically everything i do in life because if i'm not suddenly mentally crazy for something i realise is damaging me but deny as damaging then i actually make a decision acknowledging the nuances of my own actions, and when i am, i basically do the most idiotic things to the point where i wonder why i even did them myself
Is it really mob mentality when the person involved was your friend? If my friend came to me saying someone acted inappropriately towards them I'm obviously going to believe them and support them
frogradar you’re seriously saying if a close friend told you they’d been harassed you’d be reserved and hold out on supporting them because hey, I don’t want to have mob mentality
DAVID BOWIE SAYING MEME SCHOOL Well if your friend said she was harassed by someone you considered to be your guys’ friend, wouldn’t you at least talk to them privately first before attacking them?
Braedyn Cox I would be more likely to believe her, since statistically speaking, accusers are far less likely to be lying than they are to be telling the truth
I always find these channels weird, the ones who are quick to call out someone being “problematic” but literally profit from videos about causing drama and controversy, and 3:57 where you act as if you’re some kind of peace maker and smug, come back to earth.
I haven’t seen Karim be proven innocent. I see a woman believing an assault victim over a perpetrator. Feel free to take all credit for everyone standing up for him though, as if you’re the hero in the story 🙄
Responsibility? Really? Grow up. There's no point to this video other than to make views. If you want to make sure to tackle the real issues of social media, then you'd go about it a very different way. This video is in essence the same thing (shaming & blaming for views and creating hype for own benefits/content) as to what he's complaining about. I challenge Edwin to make a real video about the effects of social media, and he'll too have to admit that making a video like this isn't helping the case. I don't take sides here, but this video doesn't do anything to help bring justice, nor does it do anyhting to inspire people to be nicer and think before they tweet. Please think about that.
What I don't get is Dodie, the person directly involved, has shown a willingness to acknowledge that she didn't go about things in the best way. Yet Evan and Emma continue to dig their heels in. I like Emma's channel but I don't think I can continue to follow her when she does things like this.
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I liked Emma, but she acts without thinking and makes many mistakes. She gets very aggressive and then asks for forgiveness. At her "fifteenth" video saying that she had changed and a new Emma was coming I got bored and unsubscribed. If you are really going to change and act different do it for real. She is way to problematic. It's a shame because her sketches videos were really funny and clever.
She has borderline personality disorder (she said she'd been diagnosed in her q and A video). But she also said she's ashamed of it and won't often talk about it publically. I think it's a real shame as it's obviously clearly affecting her. A lot of the things she does seem like classic borderline sysmptons. She has such a big platform to bring awareness to this disorder. I really wish she'd be open about it and go and seek help. There's another youtuber called Brittany Simon who has bpd. She's made videos that are very informative.
@@sarahjane9354 BPD may offer some explanation as to why she acts the way she does, but it's definitely not an excuse, and in no way does it lessen her shitty actions. Having this mental illness doesn't mean we can't tell right from wrong, or that we don't realise that we're hurting people with our actions. And she's been dealing with the disorder for so long now that she should absolutely know better. It seems as though she isn't doing much to lessen her problem behaviours, which becomes a big issue when she has such a huge platform and does so much damage.
@@RumerPriestly I definitely don't think it's an excuse and I'm sorry if my comment made it seem like that. It is an explanation but that doesn't make it ok. I wish she would hold herself accountable for her actions. We obviously have no idea if she is receiving help, but currently it doesn't seem like she is.
@@RumerPriestly I think instead of acknowledging she even has bpd she kind of ignores it which is why she acts this way. She really obviously doesn't like that she was diagnosed with it in the first place, she seemed uncomfy talking about it. It really sucks that her bpd is now brought up every time she does something problematic, doesn't really give a good rep does it? It's hard to know better when you see nothing wrong with how you're acting btw. Unless a close friend or family member tells her like "hey, you're fucking up", I doubt she'd listen and learn.
Listen I'm not saying Evan and Emma are right, but the way you talk about Karin makes him seem like an angel who has never done anything wrong, when we know he was a huge creep to underage fans. I know you said he acted like a creep in your previous videos, but in this one it sounds like you think he's 100% innocent. Being a creep to underage fans is a very serious thing and it shouldn't be treated like it was just a small mistake.
What part came off like me making him sound 100% innocent? This video wasn’t about his actions since I already covered that extensively so I’m not sure what I said in this that makes him seem like an angel to you. And idk how you think it was at all treated as a “small mistake” either. What more do you think he should have to go through for his actions?
There is obviously a bias, because they’re friends, is what I think anyway. But yeah it shouldn’t be dismissed in the way it was so the argument could be fair. That being said the arguments against Emma were fair.
Damn I related on you explaining it to “the kids in the back” and I went through something at work that was a lie and even though it was months ago I’m so unhappy and mentally it really is hard to go back, you weren’t wrong in that statement
Yarh,, and you came right from Emma's video,, where she was washing her hands in Karim's blood and dating a married man. Even the worst soap operas did not come up with this storyline.
I honestly think it's because they both act out on their mental illnesses in the same typa way. (def not trying to excuse their behaviour) But I think they are both very insecure and have the "I'll get you before you get me so you can't hurt me" mentality, and tend to act out on their anger.
Honestly same, I used to like Emma and Gabbie but overtime they both have become annoying with I'll change and stuff and sometime later have another drama.
This is a super biased video and you just skipped over the fact that the girl was 15 and tried to get him sympathy about depression This is a really bad video dude oof
I really didn't. I actually mentioned in the beginning of the video how I've already covered it and it is linked in the description. Feel free to watch
@@edwinsgeneration i can see you are on the defense with this, but i really do hope you self reflect and reconsider your position. People will respect you a lot more if you can admit to having made a mistake and try to fix it.
@@Ruby-xk8kn very respectful response, but Edwin sees it as vicious hatred if you look at his recent tweets 😂 it's only convenient when his fans attack people for no reason, but calling Edwin out on his bs is senseless violence. (Martyr complex).
Twitter is designed, by nature, to only amplify specific soundbites. You can only tweet 280, once 240, characters, and that format is not the best for explaining yourself in. Within the last few years, they introduced "Twitter Moments" to try and explain the context of trending tweets and topics, but the problem is, this is a platform that's 13 years old, and its users have become accustomed to jumping onto the first flaming scream train they see & adding their own logs to the fire.
Geo Globe it's basically become a tool for mob mentality in my eyes. I have a twitter because I was told as a TH-camr I needed one... however I barely use it and tbh I get most my viewers find me from instagram first.
Yes, I noticed that too and wasn’t liking myself because of it. I deleted mine and then made a new one because it’s the only contact I had with a few classmates. I don’t use it like I used to. Also, it’s like the shadow side of everyone comes out.
So, you show people a new objective point of view, correct? Let's look at this from a logical point of view. You have no evidence to prove his innocence besides his own testimony. That doesn't hold up whenever there is actual evidence of messages he sent to an under age girl. There's only one side of evidence here, your case doesn't hold up in any way shape or form. Before you start pleading for someone's innocence you best be able to prove they're innocent. P.S. You can't use your backwards #MeToo movement as evidence. He's in the same boat as other predators such as Sam Pepper because there's only evidence against him, not for him. If you're going to defend someone, have a defense planned.
The problem is that you don't know the full side of the story. Hell, Emma might have not back then but it's clear that you don't now due to the fact that you only talked about the parts that supported your friend and dissed Emma. I'm not trying to be bitchy about this, but I'm just saying that instead of just going off what you know and what one person has said then jumping to a conclusion, try getting all sides of the issue and what everyone was thinking and feeling at the time of their actions. You obviously don't have all, if any, parts of the story from Emma's POV as well as yours and your friend, etc. If you don't want to esculate this even more than before (which you have) and you don't want to cause more drama and catastrophe, then just get all of the facts from everyone involved, ok? Be educated instead of biased and irrational.
he didn't know her age? she literally mentioned school multiple times and he didn't ask? just kept the pressure on for nudes. Say he does apologise and promises he wont do it again, you really think that makes it ok to put him in a position over vulnerable teen girls again? he didnt stop because he thought it was wrong he stopped cos he was caught. Some things are forgivable and some just arn't worth the risk
I honestly feel that you misrepresent Dodie. Just because she said she would do things different today, doesnt mean nothing happen or everything is forgiven. I think that if you accuse Evan and Emma for behaving without nuance, you yourself should try to do less black/white thinking.
I think that the problem with call out culture is that is so all or nothing. I am happy you gave Karim a platform. I think what you do is interesting. And I am a fan honestly. So I hope that you dont see it as a hate comment. It was a honest feeling I got in the video. I dont feel Karim deserved this treatement especially from Evan. So thank you for listening to him (and for reading my comment)
No problem! First - your English is great. 👍 I do slightly disagree, but I can see where you’re coming from. While it could be argued that I went “easy” on Dodie, when I spoke to her during our FaceTime calls, I saw and heard a more mature person. I don’t want to ruin people or hold things against them as long as I can see this. Some accountability is better than none and I am quite empathetic which could be seen as a flaw but for this situation, I strongly believe she has grown. Same with Luke.
EDIT: I'm aware UPDATE: Emma responded via reddit calling me one-sided in regards to the Karim drama, but please understand that I have spoken to all of the parties directly involved in this story and made 3 videos prior to this going deep into detail. I made a reddit account for the sole purpose of commenting on her own post to say I would speak to her if she desired because the whole blocking, deactivating, then making a post about me is odd when I'm readily open to communicating. I strongly disagree with her doxxing Karim's full name and this is something I expressed in my livestream the other day (I don't leave these up on my channel, but post on my patreon). I also have to point out how silly it is to call me "potentially bias" straight after using Evan Edinger as her source of evidence when I literally made an entire video debunking him and showing how bias HE is as he purposely mislabeled karim. Furthermore, as mentioned in the Evan video, I find it gross that he took it upon himself to speak for victims that didn't ask him to and don't want him to. The example of the girl who he got screenshots from facebook saying I "intentionally excluded it from my video" is ridiculous because I didn't yet have the time to be in touch with the woman in question when I made the video featuring Dodie and Karim. When I finally spoke to her, she told me that she wasn't aware her conversation with Evan was even on his tumblr page and that she'd prefer to deal with it privately so I offered to deal with it as such since she never spoke about Karim in public/by choice. That private matter should have stayed private - not publicized for Evan's gain against me. Hope that makes sense. The sassy (but playful!) Edwin came out to play. I hope this video can bring insight on the mission behind my videos as well as why I find accountability so important. While I do call out Emma and Evan, I did want to also use this opportunity to give props to Dodie and Luke Cutforth.
@@FiannaaCyanide i start at six at colori g so no competitivo i grew in a cult bad childhood now i m a demonologist i have green Eyes i m taller then a men Black can write my book and help People tattooes of a life past are enough
Damn. Not gonna lie, this was very conflicting for me, as I'm a huge fan of Emma. I even paid to meet her last year. In the past few years it seemed she had really gotten better, she had left the groupthink mentality, was making amends for her past actions and was doing better to make content that she loved even if it affected her view count. It really just seems to me like she reverted back into her old mindset for a while because of how strongly she may have felt back there. (Not that I can really speak for her, just the impression I'm getting) I can't say that I support her decision, or that I was really surprised, but damn this was hard to watch.
Not the entire album. The song placement was purely intentional and was written over a long period of time. It starts with songs like Dirt (cancel culture etc) and ends with songs like Villains Pt. 2 where she reflects on her past actions and decides to stay away from toxic people while realising that she, too, wasn't completely in the right. (She said this herself, not just assumptions) Of course, she's not completely better and I don't support the way she handled this at all in case that was the impression I made, I just meant that I thought she had improved.
Aww, thank you!!! i didn't even realize until my last video that i subconsciously was using yellow text each time so now i'm consciously embracing the pattern my brain wanted. Hope ya enjoy the vid!
I got fired years ago because literally the words out of my own boss's mouth that a co-worker Damon didn't want to work with me anymore so he had to let me go! It's still bothers me that there was no justice for me but I DEFINITELY 100% understand getting ish straight for people's!!!
you say you're against cancel culture but you make a video basically shitting on Emma. Fair enough you can have your opinions on a situation but you're not directly involved so surely this video would have been better if it were Karim fighting his own corner and giving his opinions. If you are in fact against cancel culture, what on earth is the point in this video apart from using a bad situation with popular names in a desperate attempt to try and grow your channel and get views?
@@darkvoid9329 I understand that he wants to clear his friend's name, but this happened so long. Everyone has formed their own opinions and moved on from the situation so this video is very unlikely to change people's view on Karim. If he's trying to establish what really happened, then surely he needs to look at both sides fairly rather than coming across heavily biased towards his friend. In regards to Emma and a lot of other youtubers that tweeted, if practically everyone is saying a person did something, even without solid proof, you're more than likely to believe it, or at least question it. That's how false news works. The fact that this was all based off of something that actually happened makes it all the more easy to believe
I'm new to this channel and have been binging your videos, and let me just say that it''s refreshing to see these well-organized and thoughtful videos. So far, they've challenged my perspective on a lot of things that I normally wouldn't think twice about, and I appreciate that. This is awesome stuff that you're doing, Edwin!
God we've got the King of waffle right here. Maybe like 5% of this video is even about Emma and at least 90% is filler. It's not even that I'm disagreeing with you it's just you waffled on so much I barely know what your point even is. Edit: God I just went to the video with Karim and read Dodies comment on it (having watched her video) and she never said her accusations were false, just that she wished her video was done differently. I'd watch your video but I have no interest in those who value the voices of perpetrators over the voices of their victims and I have no interest in adding to the views of someone who puts a youtubers face and name in the thumbnail and mentions like what? Three tweets of hers? And compares the language she used in one clearly tweeted on impulse to one from four years ago?? This video is not about Emma. This video is about you making Karim out to be a saint who's the victim of false allegations, which, let's face it, just isn't true, even if things did get blown intensely out of proportion, and it's about you acting like everyone who disagrees with you about this (obviously highly emotional and intense) topic is an evil piece of shit who shows no remorse. Emma isn't perfect. I do have several problems with Emma. I think she's quick to snap at people and does make impulsive decisions and I hope, for her sake completely, not mine, that she improves on this. We all need to improve on ourselves. However these flaws (no greater than mr drama youtuber over here has, btw) do not make a person lacking in remorse. They do not make someone a bad person. They most definitely do not mean someone deserves to be insulted and called a bad person and lacking in remorse in the title and thumbnail of a video that is NOT EVEN ABOUT THEM. Shame on you. Get some perspective. Your opinions are not fact and just because you befriended one side of the story doesn't make that the only side worth hearing.
I used to be a fan of Emma but when she did this kind of stuff it bothered me and i had to stop watching. She would ALWAYS get involved in tons of drama and then just delete it and pretend like she could start fresh. She never takes accountability, she just makes a clump apology saying “she’s changed” and stuff like she’s gonna focus on her new passion project... like what??
I cannot count on two hands the number of times I've seen Emma come out, apologise for "past behaviour" in vague terms, insist that she's changed, and go on to be the exact same person doing and saying the exact same things. She's also so incredibly defensive and sensitive for a person who's super quick to insult and demean other people and call them out for saying ANYTHING she doesn't like. She's bitched me out before for mentioning that she said something that could be offensive to gay men in one of her videos, went on this tirade of how she COULDN'T be homophobic because SHE'S LGBT!! (despite the fact that she's straight? 🤔) and then started calling me an idiot. Sweet girl! 😂
Sh is a sh*tty person. The girl never changed and was never working on herself. She made an entire album on blackmail and revenge for crying out loud. Also, it appears she is dating a married man (yes she knows he is married) and that takes a really nasty type of person. To not only sleep, but be in a relationship with a married man is disgusting. The poor wife is distraught and so upset too. You can find receipts on various sites.
She’s said she is LGBT but straight? I don’t see an “S” in there so I hope she misspoke and meant she’s an ally. Otherwise it sounds like she an odd attempt at attracting an LGBT audience? I’ve seen many people comment on how she has a history of this behavior despite starting over - some people even defended her with this which is ...interesting. When people say they’re working on something and continue to display the behavior they denounce, that shows no actual growth which is one of the points I was trying to drive. Also ...I hope that tea about her being with a married man isn’t true because if it is... this video should be the last of her worries.
Edwins Generation Yh I saw the video and being lgbt myself I just left not bothering for a fight just cause she’s being a “special snowflake” I think she said she was and wasn’t in the space of one video (correct my if I’m wrong please!)
@@edwinsgeneration I wish I could go back and screencap the comment, but it was on one of the many channels she deleted when she decided she was gonna, like, take on the music industry, get mega serious, and try to remove her music as far as possible away from "being a youtuber". She told me I was an idiot and obviously I had no idea what I was talking about if I could ever accuse her of saying something that's insensitive to gay men because she's part of the LGBT community ffs, and recently put out a video (I think it was the honest Q + A from a few months back) saying she'd claimed to be bi for years but that she was, in fact, straight. But, like, that isn't even in the top 25 shittiest, shadiest things Emma Blackery has done 😂
No proof to the allegations? There are screenshots of the chat between him and the 15 year old. Honestly, other than the waster comment, Emma said nothing that wasn't valid
So I dont know much about this situation but I think its very hypocritical of Emma to call someone a waster without knowing their full struggles and story, because Emma herself has chronic fatigue syndrome and has been accused of being lazy/not hardworking for most of her life. And she articulated how frustrating it can be to be judged from the outside, as "lazy" etc, with no concern as to why the situation is how it is i.e. her chronic fatigue. Sounds pretty ironic to me.
Her reaction was baffling. Just a little ball of confused, angry words. I don't know who this chick is or what she's about but like... She ok, dude? My heart goes out to Karim for many reasons, but big ouch at him having to hear that. He's been through a lot but for someone to have that much venom towards you after all this time when they haven't even tried hearing you out has to sting. Also, the DBZ references make my lil nerd heart go pittapat.🧡💙💛
@@cleoetama5889 K? All I said regarding her was that her response was baffling and then asked if she's ok. 🤷 Me saying her words in that context didn't make a whole lot of sense does not equal a judgement call on her as a person.
You really love drama and sticking up to predators do you? I thought you only befriended onision out of spite of Shiloh, didn't know you used to do this even two years ago with other predators.
You should change your TH-cam channel name to “Edwin The Voice of Reason” because dude no one and I mean NO ONE has had the balls to call this bullshit out the way you have. Karim is lucky to have such a great friend that possesses the ability to view things objectively. Respect man.
i think u should employ some empathy to understand that people’s immediate reactions are emotional - if karim often hung out around emma and her friends, quite clear she’d hold him her friend too and feel betrayed. as time passes, people think back to those moments spent with people that betrayed them. i’m speaking from my own experience. thus emma pointing out that he isn’t her friend may be a result of that reflection. lastly, if u want this series to be based on fact, u should ONLY rely on facts. if u want to show the emotional side of karim, u can’t shame emma and her friends for their emotions either.
@@Ada-tv7zl I support Edwin, for stand by his friend, when everyone is shitting all over him, for clearly making a bad choice. That is how you know your friends,, when the shit hits the fan,, the ones are left to tell you that you was a shithead, but still around for you,, that is friends.
My PlayHouse I’m sorry, but you get what you deserve. He asked an underage kid for nudes? As an influencer you should be aware of the power you have over your fans and be responsible. He was the adult in the situation, he might have apologized but that doesn’t excuse what he has done.
@@MyPlayHouse just no. of course you support a friend in times of need but not if he is a creep trying to get nude pictures from underage girls. there is a line for supporting a friend and it's right there.
@@Ada-tv7zl I will 100% disagree. If a friend has actively hurt/killed people,, I would consider if maybe it was a lost cause. But in this case no one was hurt. It was not smart at all,, but to be completely honest,, I think speeding or drunk driving is worse. It might be because the same age is 15 years here in Denmark,, and when I was at that age,, and it was allowed,, well so we did,, and it was cool as hell,, still is. So here the involved people, could have gone and got a room,, and had as much fun as they wanted. A good friend, is the friend that will visit you in prison, and tell you what an idiot you were,, but help you get back on your feet. And celebrate you when you get back out. Bad friends,, they are queuing up at the sink, at the first sign of trouble.
I get what you're trying to do here, like trying to bring peace to past situations and get justice for certain people. However, Emma is entitled to her own opinion and none of us truly know what went on years ago behind the scenes, all we know is what we see online. If Emma dislikes him, she has every right to and to stand by her opinions from years ago. I can see both sides, I understand you getting involved and trying to help but I can also see people wanting you to not get involved in their business lol.
It wasn't private. Or behind the scenes. She made it everyone's business by blasting out tweets calling Karim a fucking cunt to her millions of followers. If something is a private matter, keep it off social media. You fuck us publicly though, you gotta hold yourself accountable publicly.
I agree, and like Edwin is just a person like the rest of us. He also has a bias and I’m not sure why he thinks that him reaching out to her means that the only mature way to handle it is to engage and discuss the topic with him, as if he’s entitled to hear more...
I say well done Emma, unlike you defending the undefendable, I mean wtf he asked for nudes from a 15 year old, you say false accusation when there is proof of it! Screenshots... and no wonder she blocked you! I would of too...
cancel culture is literally so toxic. ANY little mistake and suddenly your career could be over. some people deserve it 100% (Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, etc etc), some people don’t. twitter as a whole has been so toxic lately. people are so sensitive and canceling everyone for the dumbest reasons.
crackheadkellyy I agree. Cancel culture is such a toxic thing. However, not in this case. When it comes to children, you should get cancelled. Being cancelled over little things is stupid, but this is serious.
Would you consider pestering underage girls for naked pictures a mistake that shouldn't ruin a career??? Na. People like that have no business being a public figure with young viewers
Enzo Martino Yes of course! I meant in general, some people don’t deserve to be cancelled. When it comes down to seriously negative things, people deserve to be cancelled.
Honestly, so over Emma. She used to be interesting, she says that it wasn't how she really is, so I guess really she's just dull... But it still feels like she's trying to hard to put on this fake mature persona, so she'll be taken seriously in the music industry. But her attitude has always been shitty towards anyone with different opinions
Preach... she acts all serious about her music yet when she had one of the biggest chances ever to promote her stuff (apple announcement stuff) she didn't do anything about it! crazy
this isn't even anything new either... She literally hasn't changed since she started youtube. i think people are only realising how shitty of a person she is, is because we have actually matured while she is still 16.
@@frogradar it's called being true to yourself. And she's not a shitty person for not wanting to protect sexual predators. You guys are so misguided, is crazy.
Even if he didn’t realize, Karim still inappropriately texted young fans and it’s gross. He shouldn’t have had a platform until he learned to use it responsibly. I don’t blame people still being mad at him.
I literally can't take your channel seriously if you're really just defending people accused of predatory behavior. I read this quote once that said something like "to defend a rapist is to see something of yourself in him." And, before anyone comes for me, yes, he was never accused of rape but the quote still stands. Dodie had that bad experience with him. As did many other people including underage fans. If you don't stand with survivors you stand against them. Your actions are very suspicious. Get a clue and actually care about accountability like you claim to.
watchcloudspassmeby I’m so glad you said this. Everyone seems to be thinking that just because an accused assaulter gets this nice video about him, it means he’s off the hook.
Dude he asked for photos from an underage girl...... It doesnt matter what you say thats fucked up, he shouldnt be forgiven for that nor should he be allowed to go back to work, just like in real life if you are discovered to be doing some illegal (Soliciting photos from a child) then good luck returning to work regardless of whether you regret it or whether you in fact made a mistake..... Its called accountability. Predatory Actions should not be "forgiven" nor should someone be given a platform that they have in fact abused before....
He was accused of texting underage girls. So I wouldn’t be surprised if his career went out the window that not just Emma doing. Any accusation should be taken seriously and be investigated properly. Period. Everyone does have a side to a story but you didn’t get an explanation for Emma actions back then? Instead you dragged her, which seems you’ve done purposely because you’ve noticed she not as popular in her video count, which you care to mention despite it not being relevant to the main subject of the video. I’d recommend finding content that not 4 years old. Also I’m not the biggest fan of Emma content since she changed it. However this video is fully bias. Get every side of the story, also if your able to let an accuser of being inappropriate towards underage woman be forgiven surely she can for doing a few tweets in an emotional state.
aran carr-brown I understand your opinion and this situation not being fully investigated despite the concerning allegation put forth. However what I mostly disagree with is the “exaggerated “ part, i don’t think you can over exaggerate the fact a youtuber used his power from his platform to message underage girls, I don’t think a few tweets from other big youtuber tarnished his career, I think his allegations did. Also I would hate to think a victim of his behaviour sees this video as an exaggeration. But I digress I don’t know the full scenario however I do feel having overall opinion with all the people involved would of been fairer argument.
I have spoken and worked with the "victims" of his behavior. This has already been resolved so it's strange of you to act as if some atrocious act has occurred. He was a creep no doubt and thank god he didn't commit any illegal acts (he was not aware that the single underage girl he asked for nudes was underage - you could argue that it's still illegal, sure but then it wasn't knowingly). I don't really know what people expect as a repercussion for this act. He isn't trying to make a "comeback." He isn't trying to find new fans or hasn't done anything creepy since then. If this video was me "dragging" Emma then the dragging was tame compared to how she damaged him and spoke of him. It's fun to see people call me bias when I've literally gotten the accused and the accuser's sides of the story. Anyways, have a nice week!
Edwins Generation Edwins Generation I just can’t quite understand why you never thought to contact Emma personally to ask why she reacted the way she did, Wouldn’t that given her more of an opportunity to explain herself? Especially because at the time the allegations was fresh so anyone would react in a negative way (even through social media). I will have a good week, thanks 👍🏻
Because she blocked me? All I did was shame her publicly. If I wanted to shame her privately, that wasn't an option anyway unless I what - searched for her business email on her channel or...? Anyways, too bad you still stay thinking all of your close minded thoughts despite me refuting them all individually. Hope you can open your mind. I don't wish Emma any harm. If she was easily accessible, I have no problem speaking with her directly. I even commented on her reddit expressing this. I don't get why you and others insist that I'm the one doing the bad moves but okay. Enjoy your good week.
@@edwinsgeneration 'all I did was shame her publicly' and you are surprised she blocked you? Dude 😂 you also did bring up her personal info that is irrelevant to the topic. How is it an acceptable behaviour from your part? I can not believe you are so far up your ass you see nothing wrong with your actions. The more I read into your replies to people, the more I see a dishonest person, with a martyr syndrome that spreads gossip to ruin people he dislikes, because he has no balls to say it to their faces. Notice that Emma said nothing about your past, your character or your mental health status, she never attacked you, like you attacked her, and I only draw these conclusions from your own words and actions. And you still think you have some kind of moral high ground? It's crazy you were able to get away with this for so long!
He talks about accountability but is literally complicit to disgusting behavior, I think this is much worse than the group mentality he thinks is so dangerous
I think you need to consider the effects of these videos on the recipients' mental health. I like your videos, I think they're usually well made. However, 'dragging' a person that you do not know personally at all, about a situation that does not directly concern you is not good etiquette and can not 1) strengthen your credibility or 2) positively benefit anyone in the situation. Sometimes it can be difficult to realise that there is someone on the other side so a screen. This seems like something that someone with such a large platform should be aware of. You speak against cancel culture but spend several minutes of this video just making petty remarks, and attempting to end this woman's career. You treat this topic as something relatively lighthearted whilst defending a predator who's only defence is that he said he 'didn't do it'.
I've actually met Emma. One of my close friends was a hired musician on one of her EPs and another friend I don't know as well has helped her produce and write some songs in the past as well as tour with her as part of her live act. There were no cameras or other TH-camrs in the environment I met her and she was not filming anything. She was really sweet, really funny and super respectful to everyone who wanted to come chat. When she's away from the internet she is a completely different person. I guess you have to remember that she came up through the 'system' as it were at a time where everything was much less established and there was no real precedent on how to behave online as an internet role model, especially one who is fairly open about how much she struggles with certain aspects of the human condition. If she had started now she would never have got into this mess with Karim and Jason and indeed I don't think even Karim and Jason would have done what they did too that was not brilliant. We need to have a serious conversation about how bad the TH-camr culture and indeed the entertainment industry has been in general in regards to making it so easy for influencers to take advantage of their fans, whether it's sexually, emotionally or something like using their fanbase to doxx people.
I know this may sound overly emotional or whatever, but hearing Karim talk about why he was acting “lazy” , why he had been so close to his family before he lost touch and how having his friends turn on him has helped him read people better made me cry a little bit. I know I probably shouldn’t feel bad for him, but I relate to him too much not to, and I hope whatever he has gone through has already passed or will soon.
I relate to Emma. I'm not a fan, I barely watch her videos, but as someone who also has BPD, I can relate. And trust me, it's hard to live with. It's hard trying to keep my emotions in check, trying not to go through the valuation and devaluation of people, trying not to group everyone into one of two categories: "good" and "bad". I am obviously aware that the world is not black and white, but during certain situations of high stress (for example) I can find it really hard to bare these things in mind. To understand that there are two sides to a story, that there are shades of grey. This is something I'm working on and will continue to work on for probably the rest of my life. It doesnt excuse toxic behaviour, but being aware of peoples mental health can be very useful in getting some insight into why they act the way they do. What she said and did was wrong, and her most recent deleted tweet regarding the situation was just childish. But I understand why she says and does these things, why she says them and then deletes them. It's a lack of filter, a moment of extreme emotion which usually causes an extreme emotional reaction - in this case, her tweet was that reaction and it's clear to see how emotional her tweet was. She was angry, she probably felt targeted, and so she reacted. Of course, I can only speak from my perspective and experience, but I know I can find it really hard to control my filter and to take a step back and look at a situation logically. Logic sometimes flies straight out the window. I'm not trying to excuse her behaviour. I want to make that crysta clear. Toxic behaviour is toxic no matter the perpetrator. But it does give some insight into why she may react a certain way. It can be very hard to shift the ideals created in the brain of someone with BPD, so no she doesnt deserve a free pass... but I do think she deserves some understanding.
see, im biased, because i love emma. but this video doesnt mention at all what karim did, and part of accountability isnt trying to hide your past. i feel like for someone like me, who had no idea about any of this, even when it first happened, nobody here is right. i dont see defense for karim. did he apologise? does he know what he did was wrong? has he done anything to help with sexual misconduct? i dont know... all im seeing is emmas angry and isnt a perfect person and didnt deal with things in a great way. i dont think either people in this situation are right and because of how messy it is, its not really a good example for a lesson to learn from. i dont think youre wrong, but i dont think youre right. i understand your point. emma just needs to learn that with great power comes great responsibility. but nobody can force her to do anything, and shes not the one who did anything illegal. or creepy. or morally questionable. shes just someone who reacted in a less than positive way. she doesnt have to apologise for anything. but karim does. atleast i hope he already did.
kat I agree with you. All I see in this video is defending someone who was soliciting nudes from an underage fan. Emma did act wrong, but that’s nothing compared to what Karim did.
I'm so glad you're talking about accountability and listening to all sides of things before posting about it. I'm also glad someone's starting to call Emma out on her own stuff. She's gotten away with stuff for years and I think that highlights a double standard, like if she was a guy she'd long be canceled by now.
We gotta be honest though, I do believe Emma has BPD. While this is no excuse, it’s a nice thing to acknowledge and understand her lack of remorse. (From what I know she’s explicitly said either BPD or DID)
k nrm true. But it does explain a lack of understanding of feelings and consequences. Check the DSM-5. either way, she did was shitty and mental illness is not an excuse.
Hannah Vautour she probably is. But it’s more than getting help. There are bad days. I’m not excusing her behavior. Just possibly giving her the benefit of the doubt. I’m not a fan of hers, just thought I’d state that.
Not really though. She's chosen a life in the public eye despite her problems, she has to take responsibility. If you want to be an adult and a celeb, it's your job to keep your shit in check. And that's coming from someone with several mental illnesses. I'd be more upset if anyone went "well, I know she's got this and this but she did this shitty thing", especially if it related to me destroying someone's career over fake allegations.
Emma has BPD, and an unstable sense of self is something that many people with BPD struggle with, so she may be trying out different things to find one that she likes and 'fits', but as a viewer i understand that this can be frustrating as if you like one type of her content, then she moves on, you won't be interested in her channel anymore
@@shanana6815 I know how BPD works, trust me, I know. But Emma is... unusual. I've seen friends with BPD change a lot and very quickly but with Emma it seems like she's not changing because of this, she's changing all the time for what feels like... trying to revive her dying channel. She's never stuck to what she's said in the past is her "true content" like what she wants to make, She adapt to whats popular in the community at the moment from when her channel started going downhill. The only thing I've seen her be consistent with is her music and even that seems... I don't know... it seems like again she adapts it to what she thinks her audience want to see, not what she wants. The reason I stopped watching her overall was because I felt like I was watching someone constantly adapting to popularity and not a person just making something they themselves enjoy and building their viewership from that again. I get creators adapt their content and things will change, but how Emma's content has changed hasn't been done well or felt like a natural progression/change, it feels forced. She's also had countless failed channels over the years from grabbing onto trends. This is probably one of the biggest contributors to her channel failing. Barely any of her viewers stay in the long run because she never sticks to anything, its always changing so no one has consistent content to watch and stay interested in. Idk, this is just my view on it...
@@CJ-kx7yy BPD (and any illness) has different symptoms in everyone, so it's very valid in the sense of not having a clear sense of self. But everyone has to be careful in not using it as an excuse for any behaviour. But I generally really like Emma tbh.
It’s not shocking at all lol Emma responds rudely to comments that say they preferred her old hair because they thought it was cuter than what she has now. Literally, she responds as if they were leaving a hate comment. Then she goes off and acts like she’s being bombarded by so much hate that she has to go off social media when she’s the one who starts a lot of the drama by putting attention and responding to hate. Idk, I still wish the best for her and hope she finds some solace through it all, but the way she was acting on social media before she went AWOL made it seem like she was searching for drama. Hopefully her time away will make her understand that the world isn’t out to get her and to just focus on the people who support her
@@jamespagous3954 oh wow, hello! I do definitely agree with you on this one, she has definitely grown and seems to be very very much happier now and I’m so happy to see that!!
This isn't even a valid excuse. And making videos aimed at people like this it just condones witch hunting get a life in the real world 🤘 (I'm on Emmas side obviously)
emma struggles with BPD so maybe cut her a little slack? Yes she has no filter and is unpredictable but I think that's something that should be taken into account.
edwin,, mate i appreciate that ur trying to find the truth but this is just overstepping. you're pointing fingers at people who probably haven't thought about this situation in a long time. you know damn well you tagged them in that tweet to get some sort of reply. emma had the right to defend herself. she shouldn't have lashed out, but man. you were asking for it. hope u get the views ur so desperately trying to garner by using her name in the title and tags x
I tagged her to publicly shame her - just as she did to Karim. Is it only okay for her to speak out against someone and not me when the someone is a friend whom I witnessed his hurt? Yes, I hoped for replies but the entitlement of lashing out in a manner that fails to understand the point and shows no growth. This one wasn’t about the truth, mate. It was me standing up for a friend. Big fan of the “doing it for views” attack. Never gets old. Especially when it’s on videos covering subjects that aren’t relevant/trending or an actively popular TH-camr. Anyways thanks for watching and have a nice week, icky
@@katiesmith7443 indeed... There's no point to this video other than to make views. If you want to make sure to tackle the real issues of social media, then you'd go about it a very different way. This video is in essence the same thing (shaming & blaming for views and creating hype for own benefits/content) as to what he's complaining about. I challenge Edwin to make a real video about the effects of social media, and he'll too have to admit that making a video like this isn't helping the case.
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accountability? why aren't you holding someone accountable for asking a teenager for NUDES then
Friends are the ones that visit you in prison, and tell you you was an asshole,, but still look forward to their friends release. Take at look at all the TH-cam friends,, that was not friends at all. You are really supposed to help your friends in the right direction,, they was there to offer him a knife in his back, with a twist,,,insted.
@@MyPlayHouse and Emma never claimed she was his friend, idk why are you keep saying this
My PlayHouse so if your friend kills your entire family, will you be ok with that? Will you help guide them in the right direction?
@@rodricksteal1729 she literally did in the tweet she did about him and Jason back in the day?
Clorox Bleach it is NOT natural for men to be attracted to UNDERAGED girls
I see literally no one supporting Emma (despite her being in the right) which suggests those comments are being deleted .-.
I'm not a fan of Emma, but there is something seriously annoying and unsettling about this guy. He looks like the kind of guy that will spread nasty rumors about you at the office while acting like your best friend.
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@@BillClinton228 he legit is.
Well I support Emma on this!
@@BillClinton228 i'm not a fan too, but i still support emma on this story
Sorry, but when there is children involved there should be no excuses.
Brittany Hudson also it’s fucked up to ask fans for nudes whether they’re underage or not. It’s still an abuse of power
His real problem, is that instead of friends to help him in the right direction. He had these TH-cam friends, that was so fast to distances them self, and just throw him under the bus. Yes it's a really bad choice to ask fans for nudes,, and being under 16 in the UK it is apparently also illegal. (Here in Denmark it's 15,, and you can have all the X you want)
His TH-cam "friends" has pissed all over him, for something that might have been rated like a couple of parking tickets.
@@MyPlayHouse I think a lot of people are missing a few things here. This does not fall under any sort of age of consent law. He was asking for nudes, so it falls under the Protection of Children act, which deals with child pornography. Any "indecent" image of a person below the age of 18 therefore is considered child pornography. Did the 15 y/o seem like 18 to him? Maybe. Did he know for sure? He did not. Even if it came to consent laws, he would have to "reasonably believe" (quoting the law text here) that she was at least 16. "Reasonably believe" in this context means that he had "reason to believe" she was at least 16 or, in this case, 18. So only if she would have told him that she was 18 or if her profile said such a thing (neither was the case to my knowledge), would this have been excusable in front of a judge. Not asking for her age and just going "Oh well, I'm gonna assume she is of age" still makes you guilty of the offense, in the eyes of the law and from an ethical perspective as well. ESPECIALLY given the whole power dynamic considering that she was a fan. Given the latter, this would even add a layer of coercion.
So, he can go "I didn't know, I was young and stupid" all he wants: he is still in the wrong and, if my aforementioned points hold true, guilty. THAT is his real problem.
My PlayHouse no, no. This is not even close to “a couple of parking tickets”.
This is an abuse of power, knowing she was a fan, and asking a child for under age pictures, saying he didn’t know, is not an excuse. We will never actually know whether he knew or not.
Edwin says he wants to hold people accountable for their actions. He’s not holding Karim accountable for his.
@@yknowthatgirl have you seen Karim's videos? I really hope she was attracted to his good looks and not the 20-ish rathere pour videos he had made.
He had the power of good looks and someone you wanted to be more than friendly with,,, just not that fast.. (15 years is the legal age here,, so here it would be perfectly fine) But ready to stone a man for some poor choices we are.
oh my she has fallen. i remember watching her when she had 30k subs. I loved her videos. What a shame
Love your videos, also like that your from WA state too
Same! I used to watch her avidly but the multiple accounts & deleting then resurrecting became exhausting & she just....changed.
i remember her q&a used to be so good rip
I remember watching her before her "In Persuit of a Dream" series. About a year after that ordeal happened, she made a video about her breakdown and she realigned her channel and I started watching her again but she's gone right back into her shitty videos and I unsubbed again. I checked her channel recently but she has deleted a lot of her videos that seemed like her best videos
Sorry for the paragraph, I just miss how she used to be before she got so caught up in herself and her music
I mean, just take a look at your own channel.
Emma Blackery didn’t damage his reputation, he did it all on his own. Get it straight.
Yarh do not become friends, with any TH-camrs,, they WILL throw you under the Bus, first chance they get to bring a bit of drama to there channel. (Friends are the ones that are there through the good and the bad) Everyone makes some bad choices,, this is not helping any one, it's just polishing own halo.
@@MyPlayHouse Nah man. Yeah, friend help each other out in good and bad, not in disgusting and unacceptable. If my friend told me he had done something like this I would have asked him to accept the responsibility of his actions, but honestly? I would want to get away from him too. This is not about the power of friendship, just about being honest and standing by your own sense of morality.
@@Spaguettification My best estimate is that if you have more than just 2 friends,, you will in fact know that one or more of your friends has done far worse stuff than this. You know it,,, if that thing came out,, he could go to prison. You know this person..
@@MyPlayHouse y'all are fucked in States 😅 you can befriend all of our sexual predators, please take them away, we don't want them.
My PlayHouse Nope. I’m not friends with predators. Freak.
I’m so disappointed in Edwin...sucks cause I used to love watching Edwin and Mina.
Regardless of age or mental status at the time, asking any fan for sexual pictures is not acceptable, abusing your position of power to ask for nudes from anyone, yet alone a 15 year old cannot be supported.
I understand that he could have been going through some tough things, and would have supported him through depression, but using your power to ask for sexual favours or revealing photos is a form of manipulation. Also to the defense that "he didn't know that she was 15" - she said she was in school. A normal person would have thought to ask.
While I agree with some of the points made in this video, you did kind of drag Emma through the dirt yet claiming she did the same thing; which is very obviously hypocritical since you seem to, throughout this video, want to condemn that type of behavior. (Just stating my opinion) ALSO, I do have to say that adding those irrelevant points such as a slump in her TH-cam views and such is honestly just petty.
true!
It's Edwin after all, the toxic drama chaser who pretends to be the gatekeeper of positivity.
@@smji5269 ngl I found his channel from the zheani stuff and I think it was around video 3 that I started to feel like he was just milking a situation for views. I still don’t know how to feel about Edwin (but I’m not watcher so ig it dm haha)
@@420orcagang agreed. I don’t know what to think about him either. Ngl. He seems wishy-washy and hypocritical.
If you want to talk about accountability so badly, how about we talk about why you delete critic/negative comments. You could at least address it and hold yourself accountable for it... O wait is my comment still here???
Joery Jackson try and watch him delete all of these new comments calling him out haha
I see a lot of negative comments so where do you get he's deleting them? And what have I missed what are people so mad?
@@christyfielding7498 This video came out over 3 months ago... But the only negative comments still existing are from 1 month or less ago...
When loads of people have stated in the comment section that they had made negative comments and they're gone...
People would know if TH-cam was removing them...
So, yeah... That would mean he's deleting them...
You do realise Emma is allowed her own opinions? And she's allowed to make whatever choices she wants to in her life? And you don't need to shade her for every single tiny thing she says and does? If she feels like she needs to distance herself or disassociate herself from someone then let her fucking do it, she clearly will have her own reasons behind it or she wouldn't do it in the first place.
Emma is funny and makes great music,, she does not hold any abilities as a peace negotiator ;-/ she is really good at esculateing,,, Emma lost 2K subscribers with her video yesterday and is losing hundreds of subs every day. If she wanted to distances herself from this, after a two month long thinking brake,,, she had that choice,, and did clearly not use it.
@@MyPlayHouse I'll subscribe to her then 😅 I didn't know about her before and she seems like an awesome person
you know, the actual fucked up thing is you giving people like this karim guy who, with proof, mind you, asked underaged fans for nudes, a platform to "speak his side of things". Whether he knew they were underage or not, that doesn't erase the fact that he used his influence over fans (there's a power struggle and it makes it wrong no matter the age of the other person) to ask for nudes. It's wrong, he doesn't deserve to explain his sides of things because there's nothing to explain to justify his actions.
Sorry,, everyone has the right to defend their friends or them self. You should also stand up for your friends. Tell them when they have messed up,, but stay around. Lot's of people does REALLY bad things to them self, when they get this sort of backlash for a couple of inappropriate tweets.
>twenty-something asks 15 year old for nudes
>suffers backlash for it
>"BuT i WaS dEpReSsEd"
mental state has no bearing on the fact that a non-minor used his position of power to pressure a minor into sending nudes. none. at all. emma shouldn't have remorse for saying "fuck this guy," but you should have remorse for trying to drum up support FIVE YEARS AFTER EVERYONE THOUGHT HE HAD FADED INTO OBSCURITY. jesus h macy y'all, enough is *enough*
Ahh "In the UK, you must be 16 to consent to any sexual activity." here the age is 15 years,, could not see what the fuss was about.
mental state having no bearing on someone's ridiculous actions can easily be disproven by basically everything i do in life
because if i'm not suddenly mentally crazy for something i realise is damaging me but deny as damaging then i actually make a decision acknowledging the nuances of my own actions, and when i am, i basically do the most idiotic things to the point where i wonder why i even did them myself
Is it really mob mentality when the person involved was your friend? If my friend came to me saying someone acted inappropriately towards them I'm obviously going to believe them and support them
well that just makes you the problem...
frogradar you’re seriously saying if a close friend told you they’d been harassed you’d be reserved and hold out on supporting them because hey, I don’t want to have mob mentality
DAVID BOWIE SAYING MEME SCHOOL Well if your friend said she was harassed by someone you considered to be your guys’ friend, wouldn’t you at least talk to them privately first before attacking them?
Braedyn Cox I would be more likely to believe her, since statistically speaking, accusers are far less likely to be lying than they are to be telling the truth
Good on you! Thank God I found this, old comments on this are so messed up, I almost lost hope in humanity again.
Why is this dude protecting someone who asked for nudes from an underage girl?? Thats disgusting
I always find these channels weird, the ones who are quick to call out someone being “problematic” but literally profit from videos about causing drama and controversy, and 3:57 where you act as if you’re some kind of peace maker and smug, come back to earth.
They thrive of “drama”
I haven’t seen Karim be proven innocent. I see a woman believing an assault victim over a perpetrator. Feel free to take all credit for everyone standing up for him though, as if you’re the hero in the story 🙄
RESPONSIBILITY VIDEOS. IM HERE FOR IT. U KILL IT. ALSO LOVE UR GF.
Responsibility? Really? Grow up. There's no point to this video other than to make views. If you want to make sure to tackle the real issues of social media, then you'd go about it a very different way. This video is in essence the same thing (shaming & blaming for views and creating hype for own benefits/content) as to what he's complaining about. I challenge Edwin to make a real video about the effects of social media, and he'll too have to admit that making a video like this isn't helping the case.
I don't take sides here, but this video doesn't do anything to help bring justice, nor does it do anyhting to inspire people to be nicer and think before they tweet. Please think about that.
What I don't get is Dodie, the person directly involved, has shown a willingness to acknowledge that she didn't go about things in the best way. Yet Evan and Emma continue to dig their heels in. I like Emma's channel but I don't think I can continue to follow her when she does things like this.
MJ H Hi MJH. Your response is thoughtful and kind. I truly hope you followed through and unsubscribed. That is the only language “mean” and “financially driven” people understand. Wishing you a terrific day!
@@RTJames-gq9xg I genuinely cannot work out if you are being sincere or sarcastic.
Some people don't like being proven wrong and would rather dig their heels in.
MJ H I think it’s sincerity?
@@takkariarmstrong8736 I think so too on balance but TH-cam comments make tone really difficult to detect haha.
I liked Emma, but she acts without thinking and makes many mistakes. She gets very aggressive and then asks for forgiveness. At her "fifteenth" video saying that she had changed and a new Emma was coming I got bored and unsubscribed. If you are really going to change and act different do it for real. She is way to problematic. It's a shame because her sketches videos were really funny and clever.
I used to love her sketch videos: she's fucking hilarious! Unfortunately, she doesn't want to do funny videos anymore, only fashion stuff.
She has borderline personality disorder (she said she'd been diagnosed in her q and A video). But she also said she's ashamed of it and won't often talk about it publically. I think it's a real shame as it's obviously clearly affecting her. A lot of the things she does seem like classic borderline sysmptons. She has such a big platform to bring awareness to this disorder. I really wish she'd be open about it and go and seek help.
There's another youtuber called Brittany Simon who has bpd. She's made videos that are very informative.
@@sarahjane9354 BPD may offer some explanation as to why she acts the way she does, but it's definitely not an excuse, and in no way does it lessen her shitty actions.
Having this mental illness doesn't mean we can't tell right from wrong, or that we don't realise that we're hurting people with our actions. And she's been dealing with the disorder for so long now that she should absolutely know better.
It seems as though she isn't doing much to lessen her problem behaviours, which becomes a big issue when she has such a huge platform and does so much damage.
@@RumerPriestly I definitely don't think it's an excuse and I'm sorry if my comment made it seem like that. It is an explanation but that doesn't make it ok. I wish she would hold herself accountable for her actions. We obviously have no idea if she is receiving help, but currently it doesn't seem like she is.
@@RumerPriestly I think instead of acknowledging she even has bpd she kind of ignores it which is why she acts this way. She really obviously doesn't like that she was diagnosed with it in the first place, she seemed uncomfy talking about it. It really sucks that her bpd is now brought up every time she does something problematic, doesn't really give a good rep does it? It's hard to know better when you see nothing wrong with how you're acting btw. Unless a close friend or family member tells her like "hey, you're fucking up", I doubt she'd listen and learn.
Listen I'm not saying Evan and Emma are right, but the way you talk about Karin makes him seem like an angel who has never done anything wrong, when we know he was a huge creep to underage fans. I know you said he acted like a creep in your previous videos, but in this one it sounds like you think he's 100% innocent. Being a creep to underage fans is a very serious thing and it shouldn't be treated like it was just a small mistake.
What part came off like me making him sound 100% innocent? This video wasn’t about his actions since I already covered that extensively so I’m not sure what I said in this that makes him seem like an angel to you. And idk how you think it was at all treated as a “small mistake” either. What more do you think he should have to go through for his actions?
There is obviously a bias, because they’re friends, is what I think anyway. But yeah it shouldn’t be dismissed in the way it was so the argument could be fair.
That being said the arguments against Emma were fair.
What part of this video made him look innocent? *_LITERALLY THE WHOLE VID_*
@Jacob - can you actually cite a sentence or do you feel powerful with your BOLD ITALIC WORDS?
*_U MAD BRO ?😂_*
I've never liked Emma, she always had this mean judgy side to her that I could feel.
BicheRobot I used to really like her n her songs/casual funny vlogs. Does that make me a bad person cus i didn't sense it?
@@sommerblume9671 No not really you just liked her content
@@sommerblume9671 I don't think they are implying that to anyone who has/does like her content at all, wat.
shes fake and her music is shit. shes always been boring and now the 12 year olds grew up her careers in the toilet
me too! man I ALWAYS felt something was off
Damn I related on you explaining it to “the kids in the back” and I went through something at work that was a lie and even though it was months ago I’m so unhappy and mentally it really is hard to go back, you weren’t wrong in that statement
sorry to hear that smh. I wish all the best for you moving forward. < 3 you'll have a greater comeback :)
Am I the only one bothered by him putting Me Too in air quotes
That fact that your defending someone who asked an underage girl for naked photos, is disgusting
Emma was right to be angry
Is this what we're calling content this days? YIKES
Yarh,, and you came right from Emma's video,, where she was washing her hands in Karim's blood and dating a married man. Even the worst soap operas did not come up with this storyline.
@@MyPlayHouse at least Emma is not an abuser LOL
@@MyPlayHouse she might be in a relationship with a married man but that's normal like they're split so how is it not like any other relationship?
Emma gives me Gabbie Hanna vibes in a bad way
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Ya, they’re both lame.
I like Gabbie. I think she is beautiful and funny
I honestly think it's because they both act out on their mental illnesses in the same typa way. (def not trying to excuse their behaviour) But I think they are both very insecure and have the "I'll get you before you get me so you can't hurt me" mentality, and tend to act out on their anger.
obi_the_president she’s is pretty and funny, but she’s also extremely mean and hypocritical a lot too. Those things aren’t mutually exclusive.
Honestly same, I used to like Emma and Gabbie but overtime they both have become annoying with I'll change and stuff and sometime later have another drama.
This is a super biased video and you just skipped over the fact that the girl was 15 and tried to get him sympathy about depression
This is a really bad video dude oof
I really didn't. I actually mentioned in the beginning of the video how I've already covered it and it is linked in the description. Feel free to watch
Edwins Generation the depression is not na excuse for asking 15 year old for nude photos! So how about accountability for that?!?
@@edwinsgeneration i can see you are on the defense with this, but i really do hope you self reflect and reconsider your position. People will respect you a lot more if you can admit to having made a mistake and try to fix it.
@@Ruby-xk8kn and what mistakes has he made?????
@@Ruby-xk8kn very respectful response, but Edwin sees it as vicious hatred if you look at his recent tweets 😂 it's only convenient when his fans attack people for no reason, but calling Edwin out on his bs is senseless violence. (Martyr complex).
Emma Blackery did nothing wrong.
Karim did an Oopsy,, for sure,,, but seeing his TH-cam "friends" line up to stick a knife in has back,, that was terrible.
@@MyPlayHouse but justified if he's a sexual preditor
Agree.
Ppl need to adopt some Edwin logic 😂your points are always WELL BACKED UP!! damn son good research we see chu!!
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Universal Hobo you changed your channel name.
This video just gives me a cringe “I’m better and different than others” lmao “accountability” sure, good on you buddy
Seems like you can’t apply your own principles to yourself
This is a massive yikes chief
Does twitter just make everyone petty?
Twitter is designed, by nature, to only amplify specific soundbites. You can only tweet 280, once 240, characters, and that format is not the best for explaining yourself in. Within the last few years, they introduced "Twitter Moments" to try and explain the context of trending tweets and topics, but the problem is, this is a platform that's 13 years old, and its users have become accustomed to jumping onto the first flaming scream train they see & adding their own logs to the fire.
Geo Globe it's basically become a tool for mob mentality in my eyes. I have a twitter because I was told as a TH-camr I needed one... however I barely use it and tbh I get most my viewers find me from instagram first.
Twitter is the devil!!!!
Yes, I noticed that too and wasn’t liking myself because of it. I deleted mine and then made a new one because it’s the only contact I had with a few classmates. I don’t use it like I used to. Also, it’s like the shadow side of everyone comes out.
Yes.
*rolls eyes out the window*
So, you show people a new objective point of view, correct? Let's look at this from a logical point of view. You have no evidence to prove his innocence besides his own testimony. That doesn't hold up whenever there is actual evidence of messages he sent to an under age girl. There's only one side of evidence here, your case doesn't hold up in any way shape or form. Before you start pleading for someone's innocence you best be able to prove they're innocent. P.S. You can't use your backwards #MeToo movement as evidence. He's in the same boat as other predators such as Sam Pepper because there's only evidence against him, not for him. If you're going to defend someone, have a defense planned.
My my. Alot of information has been omitted here but I totally understand the incredibly biased desire to protect your friend. Good luck with that
*quietly steeps tea* 👀
Yeah, haha... I feel like if I give any opinion on this I'll probably get set on fire
LukeCutforth's message to Karim was heart-warming
The problem is that you don't know the full side of the story. Hell, Emma might have not back then but it's clear that you don't now due to the fact that you only talked about the parts that supported your friend and dissed Emma. I'm not trying to be bitchy about this, but I'm just saying that instead of just going off what you know and what one person has said then jumping to a conclusion, try getting all sides of the issue and what everyone was thinking and feeling at the time of their actions. You obviously don't have all, if any, parts of the story from Emma's POV as well as yours and your friend, etc. If you don't want to esculate this even more than before (which you have) and you don't want to cause more drama and catastrophe, then just get all of the facts from everyone involved, ok? Be educated instead of biased and irrational.
he didn't know her age? she literally mentioned school multiple times and he didn't ask? just kept the pressure on for nudes. Say he does apologise and promises he wont do it again, you really think that makes it ok to put him in a position over vulnerable teen girls again? he didnt stop because he thought it was wrong he stopped cos he was caught. Some things are forgivable and some just arn't worth the risk
I honestly feel that you misrepresent Dodie. Just because she said she would
do things different today, doesnt mean nothing happen or everything is forgiven. I think that if you accuse Evan and Emma for behaving without nuance, you yourself should try to do less black/white thinking.
Ok
I think that the problem with call out culture is that is so all or nothing. I am happy you gave Karim a platform. I think what you do is interesting. And I am a fan honestly. So I hope that you dont see it as a hate comment. It was a honest feeling I got in the video. I dont feel Karim deserved this treatement especially from Evan. So thank you for listening to him (and for reading my comment)
(also sorry for my English)
No problem! First - your English is great. 👍 I do slightly disagree, but I can see where you’re coming from. While it could be argued that I went “easy” on Dodie, when I spoke to her during our FaceTime calls, I saw and heard a more mature person. I don’t want to ruin people or hold things against them as long as I can see this. Some accountability is better than none and I am quite empathetic which could be seen as a flaw but for this situation, I strongly believe she has grown. Same with Luke.
@@edwinsgeneration but you haven't grown at all. How can you live with yourself being so condescending?
EDIT: I'm aware UPDATE: Emma responded via reddit calling me one-sided in regards to the Karim drama, but please understand that I have spoken to all of the parties directly involved in this story and made 3 videos prior to this going deep into detail. I made a reddit account for the sole purpose of commenting on her own post to say I would speak to her if she desired because the whole blocking, deactivating, then making a post about me is odd when I'm readily open to communicating. I strongly disagree with her doxxing Karim's full name and this is something I expressed in my livestream the other day (I don't leave these up on my channel, but post on my patreon). I also have to point out how silly it is to call me "potentially bias" straight after using Evan Edinger as her source of evidence when I literally made an entire video debunking him and showing how bias HE is as he purposely mislabeled karim. Furthermore, as mentioned in the Evan video, I find it gross that he took it upon himself to speak for victims that didn't ask him to and don't want him to. The example of the girl who he got screenshots from facebook saying I "intentionally excluded it from my video" is ridiculous because I didn't yet have the time to be in touch with the woman in question when I made the video featuring Dodie and Karim. When I finally spoke to her, she told me that she wasn't aware her conversation with Evan was even on his tumblr page and that she'd prefer to deal with it privately so I offered to deal with it as such since she never spoke about Karim in public/by choice. That private matter should have stayed private - not publicized for Evan's gain against me. Hope that makes sense.
The sassy (but playful!) Edwin came out to play. I hope this video can bring insight on the mission behind my videos as well as why I find accountability so important. While I do call out Emma and Evan, I did want to also use this opportunity to give props to Dodie and Luke Cutforth.
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Edwins Generation you should tone your hair dude so it looks nice and white or that cloud strife colour repzilla has.
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I don't think that Bry will comment back because he's been very unwell mentally, he had to postpone his tour. But he's been getting better
This aged badly
Damn. Not gonna lie, this was very conflicting for me, as I'm a huge fan of Emma. I even paid to meet her last year. In the past few years it seemed she had really gotten better, she had left the groupthink mentality, was making amends for her past actions and was doing better to make content that she loved even if it affected her view count. It really just seems to me like she reverted back into her old mindset for a while because of how strongly she may have felt back there. (Not that I can really speak for her, just the impression I'm getting) I can't say that I support her decision, or that I was really surprised, but damn this was hard to watch.
Doesn't the song "I've Got Dirt On You" imply she still believes in Cancel Culture etc.?
How was she better? Her entire newer album is literally about seeking revenge on people and blackmail.....
Not the entire album. The song placement was purely intentional and was written over a long period of time. It starts with songs like Dirt (cancel culture etc) and ends with songs like Villains Pt. 2 where she reflects on her past actions and decides to stay away from toxic people while realising that she, too, wasn't completely in the right. (She said this herself, not just assumptions) Of course, she's not completely better and I don't support the way she handled this at all in case that was the impression I made, I just meant that I thought she had improved.
I stopped liking her when she tried to start shit about my favorite TH-camr 'cause she was friends with his ex
Aubrey Elliott who??? spill the tea
this video is so funny because I don't even like Emma but if an adult asks a minor for naked pictures there's no "other side of the story" to hear
They were biologically an adult.
Been loving your new content, editing and thumbnails recently. Been watching every vid you post with post notifications on, keep it up!
Aww, thank you!!! i didn't even realize until my last video that i subconsciously was using yellow text each time so now i'm consciously embracing the pattern my brain wanted. Hope ya enjoy the vid!
I remember the youtube version of “me too”, there were so many accusations and it was hard to keep track of what was true.
I got fired years ago because literally the words out of my own boss's mouth that a co-worker Damon didn't want to work with me anymore so he had to let me go! It's still bothers me that there was no justice for me but I DEFINITELY 100% understand getting ish straight for people's!!!
you say you're against cancel culture but you make a video basically shitting on Emma. Fair enough you can have your opinions on a situation but you're not directly involved so surely this video would have been better if it were Karim fighting his own corner and giving his opinions. If you are in fact against cancel culture, what on earth is the point in this video apart from using a bad situation with popular names in a desperate attempt to try and grow your channel and get views?
@@darkvoid9329 I understand that he wants to clear his friend's name, but this happened so long. Everyone has formed their own opinions and moved on from the situation so this video is very unlikely to change people's view on Karim. If he's trying to establish what really happened, then surely he needs to look at both sides fairly rather than coming across heavily biased towards his friend. In regards to Emma and a lot of other youtubers that tweeted, if practically everyone is saying a person did something, even without solid proof, you're more than likely to believe it, or at least question it. That's how false news works. The fact that this was all based off of something that actually happened makes it all the more easy to believe
Karim did an Oopsy,, for sure,,, but seeing his TH-cam "friends" line up to stick a knife in has back,, that was terrible.
I'm new to this channel and have been binging your videos, and let me just say that it''s refreshing to see these well-organized and thoughtful videos. So far, they've challenged my perspective on a lot of things that I normally wouldn't think twice about, and I appreciate that. This is awesome stuff that you're doing, Edwin!
God we've got the King of waffle right here. Maybe like 5% of this video is even about Emma and at least 90% is filler. It's not even that I'm disagreeing with you it's just you waffled on so much I barely know what your point even is.
Edit: God I just went to the video with Karim and read Dodies comment on it (having watched her video) and she never said her accusations were false, just that she wished her video was done differently. I'd watch your video but I have no interest in those who value the voices of perpetrators over the voices of their victims and I have no interest in adding to the views of someone who puts a youtubers face and name in the thumbnail and mentions like what? Three tweets of hers? And compares the language she used in one clearly tweeted on impulse to one from four years ago?? This video is not about Emma. This video is about you making Karim out to be a saint who's the victim of false allegations, which, let's face it, just isn't true, even if things did get blown intensely out of proportion, and it's about you acting like everyone who disagrees with you about this (obviously highly emotional and intense) topic is an evil piece of shit who shows no remorse. Emma isn't perfect. I do have several problems with Emma. I think she's quick to snap at people and does make impulsive decisions and I hope, for her sake completely, not mine, that she improves on this. We all need to improve on ourselves. However these flaws (no greater than mr drama youtuber over here has, btw) do not make a person lacking in remorse. They do not make someone a bad person. They most definitely do not mean someone deserves to be insulted and called a bad person and lacking in remorse in the title and thumbnail of a video that is NOT EVEN ABOUT THEM. Shame on you. Get some perspective. Your opinions are not fact and just because you befriended one side of the story doesn't make that the only side worth hearing.
I used to be a fan of Emma but when she did this kind of stuff it bothered me and i had to stop watching. She would ALWAYS get involved in tons of drama and then just delete it and pretend like she could start fresh. She never takes accountability, she just makes a clump apology saying “she’s changed” and stuff like she’s gonna focus on her new passion project... like what??
I cannot count on two hands the number of times I've seen Emma come out, apologise for "past behaviour" in vague terms, insist that she's changed, and go on to be the exact same person doing and saying the exact same things.
She's also so incredibly defensive and sensitive for a person who's super quick to insult and demean other people and call them out for saying ANYTHING she doesn't like. She's bitched me out before for mentioning that she said something that could be offensive to gay men in one of her videos, went on this tirade of how she COULDN'T be homophobic because SHE'S LGBT!! (despite the fact that she's straight? 🤔) and then started calling me an idiot.
Sweet girl! 😂
Sh is a sh*tty person. The girl never changed and was never working on herself. She made an entire album on blackmail and revenge for crying out loud. Also, it appears she is dating a married man (yes she knows he is married) and that takes a really nasty type of person. To not only sleep, but be in a relationship with a married man is disgusting. The poor wife is distraught and so upset too. You can find receipts on various sites.
She’s said she is LGBT but straight? I don’t see an “S” in there so I hope she misspoke and meant she’s an ally. Otherwise it sounds like she an odd attempt at attracting an LGBT audience?
I’ve seen many people comment on how she has a history of this behavior despite starting over - some people even defended her with this which is ...interesting. When people say they’re working on something and continue to display the behavior they denounce, that shows no actual growth which is one of the points I was trying to drive.
Also ...I hope that tea about her being with a married man isn’t true because if it is... this video should be the last of her worries.
Edwins Generation Yh I saw the video and being lgbt myself I just left not bothering for a fight just cause she’s being a “special snowflake” I think she said she was and wasn’t in the space of one video (correct my if I’m wrong please!)
@@edwinsgeneration I wish I could go back and screencap the comment, but it was on one of the many channels she deleted when she decided she was gonna, like, take on the music industry, get mega serious, and try to remove her music as far as possible away from "being a youtuber".
She told me I was an idiot and obviously I had no idea what I was talking about if I could ever accuse her of saying something that's insensitive to gay men because she's part of the LGBT community ffs, and recently put out a video (I think it was the honest Q + A from a few months back) saying she'd claimed to be bi for years but that she was, in fact, straight. But, like, that isn't even in the top 25 shittiest, shadiest things Emma Blackery has done 😂
No proof to the allegations? There are screenshots of the chat between him and the 15 year old. Honestly, other than the waster comment, Emma said nothing that wasn't valid
So I dont know much about this situation but I think its very hypocritical of Emma to call someone a waster without knowing their full struggles and story, because Emma herself has chronic fatigue syndrome and has been accused of being lazy/not hardworking for most of her life. And she articulated how frustrating it can be to be judged from the outside, as "lazy" etc, with no concern as to why the situation is how it is i.e. her chronic fatigue. Sounds pretty ironic to me.
Her reaction was baffling. Just a little ball of confused, angry words. I don't know who this chick is or what she's about but like... She ok, dude? My heart goes out to Karim for many reasons, but big ouch at him having to hear that. He's been through a lot but for someone to have that much venom towards you after all this time when they haven't even tried hearing you out has to sting.
Also, the DBZ references make my lil nerd heart go pittapat.🧡💙💛
If you don't know Emma then you can't make a judgement about her on the small amount of "evidence" from years ago
@@cleoetama5889 K? All I said regarding her was that her response was baffling and then asked if she's ok. 🤷 Me saying her words in that context didn't make a whole lot of sense does not equal a judgement call on her as a person.
**ACCOUNTABILITY**
I'M SCREAMING
Said a guy, ignoring the fact that Karim has actually fucked up and actually DID something
You really love drama and sticking up to predators do you? I thought you only befriended onision out of spite of Shiloh, didn't know you used to do this even two years ago with other predators.
You should change your TH-cam channel name to “Edwin The Voice of Reason” because dude no one and I mean NO ONE has had the balls to call this bullshit out the way you have.
Karim is lucky to have such a great friend that possesses the ability to view things objectively. Respect man.
Joaquin Hernandez this!!!!
Joaquin Hernandez I called out Emma on Twitter about a year ago and then she started tweeting about me 😂
Edwin The Voice Of Sexual Predators
are you kidding me, this is one of the most biased and hypocritical video i’ve seen in a long time
i think u should employ some empathy to understand that people’s immediate reactions are emotional - if karim often hung out around emma and her friends, quite clear she’d hold him her friend too and feel betrayed.
as time passes, people think back to those moments spent with people that betrayed them. i’m speaking from my own experience. thus emma pointing out that he isn’t her friend may be a result of that reflection.
lastly, if u want this series to be based on fact, u should ONLY rely on facts. if u want to show the emotional side of karim, u can’t shame emma and her friends for their emotions either.
Emma Blackery was in the right and I don't care how she dealt with it, it's better than not dealing with it and letting him groom a child.
this ain't it
I completely understand what he said about not having friends and then after getting close to people just to lose them. So sad. I feel so bad for him.
Edwin making people feel sorry for sexual predators is interesting.
@@rodricksteal1729 No, that's not what I meant at all.
Emma did nothing wrong. Leave her alone.
True! I stand with Emma. Edwin is supporting a creep and predator and that isn't ok at all!
@@Ada-tv7zl I support Edwin, for stand by his friend, when everyone is shitting all over him, for clearly making a bad choice.
That is how you know your friends,, when the shit hits the fan,, the ones are left to tell you that you was a shithead, but still around for you,, that is friends.
My PlayHouse I’m sorry, but you get what you deserve. He asked an underage kid for nudes? As an influencer you should be aware of the power you have over your fans and be responsible. He was the adult in the situation, he might have apologized but that doesn’t excuse what he has done.
@@MyPlayHouse just no. of course you support a friend in times of need but not if he is a creep trying to get nude pictures from underage girls. there is a line for supporting a friend and it's right there.
@@Ada-tv7zl I will 100% disagree. If a friend has actively hurt/killed people,, I would consider if maybe it was a lost cause. But in this case no one was hurt. It was not smart at all,, but to be completely honest,, I think speeding or drunk driving is worse. It might be because the same age is 15 years here in Denmark,, and when I was at that age,, and it was allowed,, well so we did,, and it was cool as hell,, still is. So here the involved people, could have gone and got a room,, and had as much fun as they wanted.
A good friend, is the friend that will visit you in prison, and tell you what an idiot you were,, but help you get back on your feet. And celebrate you when you get back out.
Bad friends,, they are queuing up at the sink, at the first sign of trouble.
I get what you're trying to do here, like trying to bring peace to past situations and get justice for certain people. However, Emma is entitled to her own opinion and none of us truly know what went on years ago behind the scenes, all we know is what we see online. If Emma dislikes him, she has every right to and to stand by her opinions from years ago. I can see both sides, I understand you getting involved and trying to help but I can also see people wanting you to not get involved in their business lol.
It wasn't private. Or behind the scenes. She made it everyone's business by blasting out tweets calling Karim a fucking cunt to her millions of followers. If something is a private matter, keep it off social media. You fuck us publicly though, you gotta hold yourself accountable publicly.
I honestly agree with you here.
@@gwenk903 Thank you for understanding my view on things!
I agree, and like Edwin is just a person like the rest of us. He also has a bias and I’m not sure why he thinks that him reaching out to her means that the only mature way to handle it is to engage and discuss the topic with him, as if he’s entitled to hear more...
I say well done Emma, unlike you defending the undefendable, I mean wtf he asked for nudes from a 15 year old, you say false accusation when there is proof of it! Screenshots... and no wonder she blocked you! I would of too...
And she shouldn't have any remorse. Emma did nothing wrong.
cancel culture is literally so toxic. ANY little mistake and suddenly your career could be over. some people deserve it 100% (Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, etc etc), some people don’t. twitter as a whole has been so toxic lately. people are so sensitive and canceling everyone for the dumbest reasons.
crackheadkellyy I agree. Cancel culture is such a toxic thing. However, not in this case. When it comes to children, you should get cancelled. Being cancelled over little things is stupid, but this is serious.
Would you consider pestering underage girls for naked pictures a mistake that shouldn't ruin a career??? Na. People like that have no business being a public figure with young viewers
Heloise Tudor I agree they should be cancelled for this I meant in general
Enzo Martino Yes of course! I meant in general, some people don’t deserve to be cancelled. When it comes down to seriously negative things, people deserve to be cancelled.
Yikes. Emma Blackery FTW.
stop the meaningless drama
Honestly, so over Emma.
She used to be interesting, she says that it wasn't how she really is, so I guess really she's just dull...
But it still feels like she's trying to hard to put on this fake mature persona, so she'll be taken seriously in the music industry. But her attitude has always been shitty towards anyone with different opinions
Preach... she acts all serious about her music yet when she had one of the biggest chances ever to promote her stuff (apple announcement stuff) she didn't do anything about it! crazy
this isn't even anything new either... She literally hasn't changed since she started youtube. i think people are only realising how shitty of a person she is, is because we have actually matured while she is still 16.
Having an opinion is dull to you 🤔 you are such a sheeple
@@frogradar it's called being true to yourself. And she's not a shitty person for not wanting to protect sexual predators. You guys are so misguided, is crazy.
Even if he didn’t realize, Karim still inappropriately texted young fans and it’s gross. He shouldn’t have had a platform until he learned to use it responsibly. I don’t blame people still being mad at him.
Can’t agree. Emma did nothing wrong ☺️
oh come on, Emma always liked to involve herself in drama because that's the only way she can stay relevant, didn't work out in the end though.
I literally can't take your channel seriously if you're really just defending people accused of predatory behavior. I read this quote once that said something like "to defend a rapist is to see something of yourself in him." And, before anyone comes for me, yes, he was never accused of rape but the quote still stands. Dodie had that bad experience with him. As did many other people including underage fans. If you don't stand with survivors you stand against them. Your actions are very suspicious. Get a clue and actually care about accountability like you claim to.
watchcloudspassmeby I’m so glad you said this. Everyone seems to be thinking that just because an accused assaulter gets this nice video about him, it means he’s off the hook.
Emma did nothing wrong
Dude he asked for photos from an underage girl...... It doesnt matter what you say thats fucked up, he shouldnt be forgiven for that nor should he be allowed to go back to work, just like in real life if you are discovered to be doing some illegal (Soliciting photos from a child) then good luck returning to work regardless of whether you regret it or whether you in fact made a mistake..... Its called accountability.
Predatory Actions should not be "forgiven" nor should someone be given a platform that they have in fact abused before....
*Don’t be like Emma*
Quote of the year
Markiya my name is Emma :(
Derpy Derpstein that Emma, babe.
You’re fine ❤️
@@mmaantj same 😭
don’t be like Markiya sounds better
Megan E sure, why not?
He was accused of texting underage girls. So I wouldn’t be surprised if his career went out the window that not just Emma doing. Any accusation should be taken seriously and be investigated properly. Period. Everyone does have a side to a story but you didn’t get an explanation for Emma actions back then? Instead you dragged her, which seems you’ve done purposely because you’ve noticed she not as popular in her video count, which you care to mention despite it not being relevant to the main subject of the video. I’d recommend finding content that not 4 years old. Also I’m not the biggest fan of Emma content since she changed it. However this video is fully bias. Get every side of the story, also if your able to let an accuser of being inappropriate towards underage woman be forgiven surely she can for doing a few tweets in an emotional state.
aran carr-brown I understand your opinion and this situation not being fully investigated despite the concerning allegation put forth. However what I mostly disagree with is the “exaggerated “ part, i don’t think you can over exaggerate the fact a youtuber used his power from his platform to message underage girls, I don’t think a few tweets from other big youtuber tarnished his career, I think his allegations did. Also I would hate to think a victim of his behaviour sees this video as an exaggeration. But I digress I don’t know the full scenario however I do feel having overall opinion with all the people involved would of been fairer argument.
I have spoken and worked with the "victims" of his behavior. This has already been resolved so it's strange of you to act as if some atrocious act has occurred. He was a creep no doubt and thank god he didn't commit any illegal acts (he was not aware that the single underage girl he asked for nudes was underage - you could argue that it's still illegal, sure but then it wasn't knowingly). I don't really know what people expect as a repercussion for this act. He isn't trying to make a "comeback." He isn't trying to find new fans or hasn't done anything creepy since then. If this video was me "dragging" Emma then the dragging was tame compared to how she damaged him and spoke of him. It's fun to see people call me bias when I've literally gotten the accused and the accuser's sides of the story. Anyways, have a nice week!
Edwins Generation Edwins Generation I just can’t quite understand why you never thought to contact Emma personally to ask why she reacted the way she did, Wouldn’t that given her more of an opportunity to explain herself? Especially because at the time the allegations was fresh so anyone would react in a negative way (even through social media). I will have a good week, thanks 👍🏻
Because she blocked me? All I did was shame her publicly. If I wanted to shame her privately, that wasn't an option anyway unless I what - searched for her business email on her channel or...? Anyways, too bad you still stay thinking all of your close minded thoughts despite me refuting them all individually. Hope you can open your mind. I don't wish Emma any harm. If she was easily accessible, I have no problem speaking with her directly. I even commented on her reddit expressing this. I don't get why you and others insist that I'm the one doing the bad moves but okay. Enjoy your good week.
@@edwinsgeneration 'all I did was shame her publicly' and you are surprised she blocked you? Dude 😂 you also did bring up her personal info that is irrelevant to the topic. How is it an acceptable behaviour from your part? I can not believe you are so far up your ass you see nothing wrong with your actions. The more I read into your replies to people, the more I see a dishonest person, with a martyr syndrome that spreads gossip to ruin people he dislikes, because he has no balls to say it to their faces. Notice that Emma said nothing about your past, your character or your mental health status, she never attacked you, like you attacked her, and I only draw these conclusions from your own words and actions. And you still think you have some kind of moral high ground? It's crazy you were able to get away with this for so long!
Asking anyone for nudes (unless they're in a relationship) is just wrong, he ruined his own career
No excuse for asking a CHILD for nudes.... end of story.
He talks about accountability but is literally complicit to disgusting behavior, I think this is much worse than the group mentality he thinks is so dangerous
I think you need to consider the effects of these videos on the recipients' mental health. I like your videos, I think they're usually well made. However, 'dragging' a person that you do not know personally at all, about a situation that does not directly concern you is not good etiquette and can not 1) strengthen your credibility or 2) positively benefit anyone in the situation. Sometimes it can be difficult to realise that there is someone on the other side so a screen. This seems like something that someone with such a large platform should be aware of. You speak against cancel culture but spend several minutes of this video just making petty remarks, and attempting to end this woman's career. You treat this topic as something relatively lighthearted whilst defending a predator who's only defence is that he said he 'didn't do it'.
internet users don't assert positive moral grounds for anything without appearing insufferably pretentious challenge
I've actually met Emma. One of my close friends was a hired musician on one of her EPs and another friend I don't know as well has helped her produce and write some songs in the past as well as tour with her as part of her live act. There were no cameras or other TH-camrs in the environment I met her and she was not filming anything. She was really sweet, really funny and super respectful to everyone who wanted to come chat. When she's away from the internet she is a completely different person.
I guess you have to remember that she came up through the 'system' as it were at a time where everything was much less established and there was no real precedent on how to behave online as an internet role model, especially one who is fairly open about how much she struggles with certain aspects of the human condition. If she had started now she would never have got into this mess with Karim and Jason and indeed I don't think even Karim and Jason would have done what they did too that was not brilliant. We need to have a serious conversation about how bad the TH-camr culture and indeed the entertainment industry has been in general in regards to making it so easy for influencers to take advantage of their fans, whether it's sexually, emotionally or something like using their fanbase to doxx people.
I know this may sound overly emotional or whatever, but hearing Karim talk about why he was acting “lazy” , why he had been so close to his family before he lost touch and how having his friends turn on him has helped him read people better made me cry a little bit. I know I probably shouldn’t feel bad for him, but I relate to him too much not to, and I hope whatever he has gone through has already passed or will soon.
Edwin made you feel bad for a sexual abuser and he's proud isn't he 💀
I relate to Emma. I'm not a fan, I barely watch her videos, but as someone who also has BPD, I can relate. And trust me, it's hard to live with. It's hard trying to keep my emotions in check, trying not to go through the valuation and devaluation of people, trying not to group everyone into one of two categories: "good" and "bad".
I am obviously aware that the world is not black and white, but during certain situations of high stress (for example) I can find it really hard to bare these things in mind. To understand that there are two sides to a story, that there are shades of grey. This is something I'm working on and will continue to work on for probably the rest of my life. It doesnt excuse toxic behaviour, but being aware of peoples mental health can be very useful in getting some insight into why they act the way they do.
What she said and did was wrong, and her most recent deleted tweet regarding the situation was just childish. But I understand why she says and does these things, why she says them and then deletes them. It's a lack of filter, a moment of extreme emotion which usually causes an extreme emotional reaction - in this case, her tweet was that reaction and it's clear to see how emotional her tweet was. She was angry, she probably felt targeted, and so she reacted. Of course, I can only speak from my perspective and experience, but I know I can find it really hard to control my filter and to take a step back and look at a situation logically. Logic sometimes flies straight out the window.
I'm not trying to excuse her behaviour. I want to make that crysta clear. Toxic behaviour is toxic no matter the perpetrator. But it does give some insight into why she may react a certain way. It can be very hard to shift the ideals created in the brain of someone with BPD, so no she doesnt deserve a free pass... but I do think she deserves some understanding.
see, im biased, because i love emma. but this video doesnt mention at all what karim did, and part of accountability isnt trying to hide your past. i feel like for someone like me, who had no idea about any of this, even when it first happened, nobody here is right. i dont see defense for karim. did he apologise? does he know what he did was wrong? has he done anything to help with sexual misconduct? i dont know... all im seeing is emmas angry and isnt a perfect person and didnt deal with things in a great way. i dont think either people in this situation are right and because of how messy it is, its not really a good example for a lesson to learn from.
i dont think youre wrong, but i dont think youre right. i understand your point. emma just needs to learn that with great power comes great responsibility. but nobody can force her to do anything, and shes not the one who did anything illegal. or creepy. or morally questionable. shes just someone who reacted in a less than positive way. she doesnt have to apologise for anything. but karim does. atleast i hope he already did.
kat I agree with you. All I see in this video is defending someone who was soliciting nudes from an underage fan. Emma did act wrong, but that’s nothing compared to what Karim did.
I'm so glad you're talking about accountability and listening to all sides of things before posting about it. I'm also glad someone's starting to call Emma out on her own stuff. She's gotten away with stuff for years and I think that highlights a double standard, like if she was a guy she'd long be canceled by now.
Yeah nah mate...
Everyone here on his side which means either blackery fans are being deleted or they know the truth on this story and the truth is this guy is lying
We gotta be honest though, I do believe Emma has BPD. While this is no excuse, it’s a nice thing to acknowledge and understand her lack of remorse.
(From what I know she’s explicitly said either BPD or DID)
Yeah, she has BPD. Not an excuse, but could definitley be a reason for her reaction.
k nrm true. But it does explain a lack of understanding of feelings and consequences. Check the DSM-5. either way, she did was shitty and mental illness is not an excuse.
Hannah Vautour she probably is. But it’s more than getting help. There are bad days. I’m not excusing her behavior. Just possibly giving her the benefit of the doubt. I’m not a fan of hers, just thought I’d state that.
Not really though. She's chosen a life in the public eye despite her problems, she has to take responsibility. If you want to be an adult and a celeb, it's your job to keep your shit in check. And that's coming from someone with several mental illnesses. I'd be more upset if anyone went "well, I know she's got this and this but she did this shitty thing", especially if it related to me destroying someone's career over fake allegations.
Her mental illness doesn’t justify her actions but it does explain why she reacts in certain ways.
Emma seems to have a new personality and theme to herself like every year... she's never consistent
The only thing that’s stuck is her shitty music
Emma has BPD, and an unstable sense of self is something that many people with BPD struggle with, so she may be trying out different things to find one that she likes and 'fits', but as a viewer i understand that this can be frustrating as if you like one type of her content, then she moves on, you won't be interested in her channel anymore
@@shanana6815 I know how BPD works, trust me, I know. But Emma is... unusual. I've seen friends with BPD change a lot and very quickly but with Emma it seems like she's not changing because of this, she's changing all the time for what feels like... trying to revive her dying channel. She's never stuck to what she's said in the past is her "true content" like what she wants to make, She adapt to whats popular in the community at the moment from when her channel started going downhill. The only thing I've seen her be consistent with is her music and even that seems... I don't know... it seems like again she adapts it to what she thinks her audience want to see, not what she wants. The reason I stopped watching her overall was because I felt like I was watching someone constantly adapting to popularity and not a person just making something they themselves enjoy and building their viewership from that again. I get creators adapt their content and things will change, but how Emma's content has changed hasn't been done well or felt like a natural progression/change, it feels forced.
She's also had countless failed channels over the years from grabbing onto trends.
This is probably one of the biggest contributors to her channel failing. Barely any of her viewers stay in the long run because she never sticks to anything, its always changing so no one has consistent content to watch and stay interested in.
Idk, this is just my view on it...
@@CJ-kx7yy BPD (and any illness) has different symptoms in everyone, so it's very valid in the sense of not having a clear sense of self. But everyone has to be careful in not using it as an excuse for any behaviour.
But I generally really like Emma tbh.
It’s not shocking at all lol Emma responds rudely to comments that say they preferred her old hair because they thought it was cuter than what she has now. Literally, she responds as if they were leaving a hate comment. Then she goes off and acts like she’s being bombarded by so much hate that she has to go off social media when she’s the one who starts a lot of the drama by putting attention and responding to hate. Idk, I still wish the best for her and hope she finds some solace through it all, but the way she was acting on social media before she went AWOL made it seem like she was searching for drama. Hopefully her time away will make her understand that the world isn’t out to get her and to just focus on the people who support her
Lol considering this comment was from two years ago I think she’s definitely changed. In many ways she just seems much more mature
@@jamespagous3954 oh wow, hello! I do definitely agree with you on this one, she has definitely grown and seems to be very very much happier now and I’m so happy to see that!!
This isn't even a valid excuse. And making videos aimed at people like this it just condones witch hunting get a life in the real world 🤘
(I'm on Emmas side obviously)
Oh wow my comment was in a video!!
Time for the unsubscribe train! (I've been meaning to unsubscribe to Emma for a while but this is just the icing on a cake).
Sheep
insane to see this still coming up five years later. I remember Dodie and Evan's videos.
emma struggles with BPD so maybe cut her a little slack? Yes she has no filter and is unpredictable but I think that's something that should be taken into account.
Emma has posted something involving this situation on her community tab. Please check it out.
edwin,, mate i appreciate that ur trying to find the truth but this is just overstepping. you're pointing fingers at people who probably haven't thought about this situation in a long time. you know damn well you tagged them in that tweet to get some sort of reply. emma had the right to defend herself.
she shouldn't have lashed out, but man. you were asking for it. hope u get the views ur so desperately trying to garner by using her name in the title and tags x
I tagged her to publicly shame her - just as she did to Karim. Is it only okay for her to speak out against someone and not me when the someone is a friend whom I witnessed his hurt? Yes, I hoped for replies but the entitlement of lashing out in a manner that fails to understand the point and shows no growth. This one wasn’t about the truth, mate. It was me standing up for a friend. Big fan of the “doing it for views” attack. Never gets old. Especially when it’s on videos covering subjects that aren’t relevant/trending or an actively popular TH-camr. Anyways thanks for watching and have a nice week, icky
@@edwinsgeneration Why do you think it's okay to publicly shame her while the whole video is about NOT publicly shaming people.... grow up mate.
@@katiesmith7443 indeed... There's no point to this video other than to make views. If you want to make sure to tackle the real issues of social media, then you'd go about it a very different way. This video is in essence the same thing (shaming & blaming for views and creating hype for own benefits/content) as to what he's complaining about. I challenge Edwin to make a real video about the effects of social media, and he'll too have to admit that making a video like this isn't helping the case.
All this time I was watching your videos thinking I was subscribed in which I wasn’t.. but I can help but binge watch your videos, since you have such an intellectual mind.