8 years ago I bought one crucial ssd internal and one samsung ssd also internal. The Crucial lasted only 4 months. Samsung is still in use and I bought second one and are working great. I will never buy Crucial ssd again
My suggestion is buy a good, fast SSD and USB4 enclosure separately It'll be cheaper than the Sandisk or Oyen ready-made external drives, and easily on par or cheaper than say the Samsung T7 If either component fails, you can replace just that A 5 to 7000 MB/s SSD will be fast now, and be even fast in a TB5 / USB 4.2 enclosure when they become affordable
I know what you mean but say you get the satechi for $120 and the 990 pro 4tb for 300. So you are at 420 and then the oyen 4tb is $430 with better warranty and performance guarantees. The pro g40 is on sale for $375 right now or goes all the way up to $430 sometimes. I may be making up the nvme worries but something about enclosures always scares me
@@adamtalkstech If you buy say WD SN770/850 or Samsung Pro SSDs, you get even better warranty (5 years) ;-) I had Samsung T5/T7 s but they got too hot for my liking, especially for being only 500 and 1000 MB/s And more expensive than a replaceable SSD + metal enclosure giving the same speed The G40 in 4TB is a whopping 640€ here in Belgium, very much a dealbreaker, but it's IP68 so dust/waterproof if one needs that - I don't The Satechi and other USB4 / PCIe 4 enclosures are faster (well above 3000 MB/s) than the G40 and Oyen drives
For about 2 years, I've had a Kingston XS2000, among some of the other listed SSD models; the XS2000 2TB is my fave, for compactness, its protective rubber sleeve (also add grip), and its limited 5-year warranty. I also have Kingston SSD flash drives. BTW, its made in Taiwan; Kingston is not outsourced Chinese manufacturing.
Hi, I bought a 2015 iMac and want to boot the OS from an external SSD using one of its USB 3.0 ports. Naturally, I'd like the fastest option but wonder if there'd be any real difference between SATA or NVME drives? Will the USB 3.0 port be the bottleneck in whatever drive I buy? Thanks.
Yup the USB 3 will be the bottleneck. SATA rates higher than USB 3. But I doubt the iMac has a user replaceable internal HD. :) Go for SATA as NVME speed will give you no advantage due to the port. Still it pays to go with a reliable SSD, good quality enclosure and cable. :)
Hey Adam, an issue I encounter with external drives (mostly with SSDs -- an Oyen, and a Samsung), is my MacBook Pro doesn't want to eject them. I get a message saying the drive is in use, even when I know there are no applications accessing content on the drive. Usually logging out of my user account and logging back in enables me to eject the drive. I've seen some discussions about this on Apple's support site, as well as on Reddit, so I know it isn't just me. One suggestion was to exclude the drive from Spotlight, and I have done that and still run into this problem. It isn't every single time, but it's enough to be annoying. Have you encountered this, or do you have any thoughts about remedies?
What kind of workloads benefit from above 950MB/s? - I mean even working with multi cam 4k streams and dealing terabytes of data, I've not felt limited by my Samsung T7. Unless you're doing multi-cam 8k raw or something, doesn't seem that necessary? - things like latency for random access/write are similar even on cheaper drives.
Namely ingesting footage and transfer from one drive to another, also just eliminates the slower drive as a bottleneck. With the lower speed ones I also notice they throttle faster on me when I do those large transfers. I don’t have any quantitative data on it though but just my observations from using different speed class drives when editing.
@@adamtalkstech That makes sense, for SD cards, you're unlikely to have any advantage, for CF Express cards, you could half your transfer time, that's true :) For throttling, my T7 seems ok, but my T5 can throttle after multi-hour editing sessions, but it's not bad. In my experience the small NVME M.2 enclosures throttle super quick due to heat and become much slower than the cheap drives (ironically). Separately, I have a little pouch on the back of my Macbook M3 Max which is great to make this a portable setup, but the thunderbolt drives are noticeable bulkier/heavier, which is why I'm still leaning towards the smaller ones.
@@DigiDriftZone I'm updating using Terminal since I migrated to M1 and an external boot drive from an INtel MBP OTOH the internal 256GB drive has only had 350 GB written to it in over a year Never gonna wear out at this rate ;-)
@adamtalkstech keep in mind I seed all the time, that is reading operations 24/7, will it work good enough? My internet connection is much less than 1GB.
Respectfully, this wasn't as fast as some other videos on TH-cam, especially where accents add to difficulties. So, I've occasionally taken advantage of the playback speed option in the video settings (cogwheel at bottom). That's been useful for my listening needs occasionally. HTH
I am sorry if my sentences run on I will try to work on that I just have a lot of information to cover in a short amount of time and I need to get it all in.
I'm definitely one of the sheep, but did you even watch the video? Apple computers specifically don't support USB 3.2x2 speeds so when you are buying a drive, you can think you're going to hit 2000Mbps but then you just top out at 900Mbps.
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8 years ago I bought one crucial ssd internal and one samsung ssd also internal. The Crucial lasted only 4 months. Samsung is still in use and I bought second one and are working great. I will never buy Crucial ssd again
Sorry to hear that, for what its worth I get comments like this about every single brand that is out there.
My suggestion is buy a good, fast SSD and USB4 enclosure separately
It'll be cheaper than the Sandisk or Oyen ready-made external drives, and easily on par or cheaper than say the Samsung T7
If either component fails, you can replace just that
A 5 to 7000 MB/s SSD will be fast now, and be even fast in a TB5 / USB 4.2 enclosure when they become affordable
I know what you mean but say you get the satechi for $120 and the 990 pro 4tb for 300. So you are at 420 and then the oyen 4tb is $430 with better warranty and performance guarantees. The pro g40 is on sale for $375 right now or goes all the way up to $430 sometimes.
I may be making up the nvme worries but something about enclosures always scares me
@@adamtalkstech If you buy say WD SN770/850 or Samsung Pro SSDs, you get even better warranty (5 years) ;-)
I had Samsung T5/T7 s but they got too hot for my liking, especially for being only 500 and 1000 MB/s
And more expensive than a replaceable SSD + metal enclosure giving the same speed
The G40 in 4TB is a whopping 640€ here in Belgium, very much a dealbreaker, but it's IP68 so dust/waterproof if one needs that - I don't
The Satechi and other USB4 / PCIe 4 enclosures are faster (well above 3000 MB/s) than the G40 and Oyen drives
For anyone running the Satechi USB4 Pro enclosure: remove the clear cover, it makes the drive run hotter
I agree but they think it’s cooler to the touch.
There is kingston xs1000 and 2000 , so tiny and read very good comments about it. Should i prefer?
I haven't owned any Kingston products in a long time, so I would just check the reviews.
For about 2 years, I've had a Kingston XS2000, among some of the other listed SSD models; the XS2000 2TB is my fave, for compactness, its protective rubber sleeve (also add grip), and its limited 5-year warranty. I also have Kingston SSD flash drives. BTW, its made in Taiwan; Kingston is not outsourced Chinese manufacturing.
Hi, I bought a 2015 iMac and want to boot the OS from an external SSD using one of its USB 3.0 ports. Naturally, I'd like the fastest option but wonder if there'd be any real difference between SATA or NVME drives? Will the USB 3.0 port be the bottleneck in whatever drive I buy? Thanks.
Yup the USB 3 will be the bottleneck. SATA rates higher than USB 3. But I doubt the iMac has a user replaceable internal HD. :) Go for SATA as NVME speed will give you no advantage due to the port. Still it pays to go with a reliable SSD, good quality enclosure and cable. :)
@@ongjanette Thanks for your reply.
Going with the cheaper ones do you run the risk of losing files?
Any drive can fail, even the most expensive ones
Make sure you have a backup
Hey Adam, an issue I encounter with external drives (mostly with SSDs -- an Oyen, and a Samsung), is my MacBook Pro doesn't want to eject them. I get a message saying the drive is in use, even when I know there are no applications accessing content on the drive. Usually logging out of my user account and logging back in enables me to eject the drive. I've seen some discussions about this on Apple's support site, as well as on Reddit, so I know it isn't just me. One suggestion was to exclude the drive from Spotlight, and I have done that and still run into this problem. It isn't every single time, but it's enough to be annoying. Have you encountered this, or do you have any thoughts about remedies?
I have had this happen from time to time, I typically just power the computer down if it's still being stubborn.
What kind of workloads benefit from above 950MB/s? - I mean even working with multi cam 4k streams and dealing terabytes of data, I've not felt limited by my Samsung T7. Unless you're doing multi-cam 8k raw or something, doesn't seem that necessary? - things like latency for random access/write are similar even on cheaper drives.
Namely ingesting footage and transfer from one drive to another, also just eliminates the slower drive as a bottleneck. With the lower speed ones I also notice they throttle faster on me when I do those large transfers. I don’t have any quantitative data on it though but just my observations from using different speed class drives when editing.
@@adamtalkstech That makes sense, for SD cards, you're unlikely to have any advantage, for CF Express cards, you could half your transfer time, that's true :)
For throttling, my T7 seems ok, but my T5 can throttle after multi-hour editing sessions, but it's not bad. In my experience the small NVME M.2 enclosures throttle super quick due to heat and become much slower than the cheap drives (ironically).
Separately, I have a little pouch on the back of my Macbook M3 Max which is great to make this a portable setup, but the thunderbolt drives are noticeable bulkier/heavier, which is why I'm still leaning towards the smaller ones.
Boot drive on a Mac with little built in storage ...
@ I tried, too many drawbacks to boot from external unfortunately and updates break the OS or refuse to update often
@@DigiDriftZone I'm updating using Terminal since I migrated to M1 and an external boot drive from an INtel MBP
OTOH the internal 256GB drive has only had 350 GB written to it in over a year
Never gonna wear out at this rate ;-)
Does this change with the new MacBook Pro?
Only if you get the M4 Pro or better versions with TB5 - they'll do up to 120 Gbps but only with the right (expensive, rare) enclosure
@ gotcha so i did get the m4 pro. Which external hard drive would u recommend
Do these work with older power books? MB pro 2012 High Sierra
Yes, you can use the cheaper Samsung. I have used a generic external SSD on my MacBook Air running Catalina OS as the startup.
@ongjanette Thank you!
I'm pressed for space. Are their any small USB flash druves that are this fast? 512GB is more then i need. I have n and it says it has thunderbolt 4
Yes there is one Oyen Digital makes that I am going to review at some point soon.
@adamtalkstech does it have more read/write cycles like an SSD?
I’m not sure
can you do a video about seagate ssd for macs?
Is the crucial x9 good enough to torrent on and watch videos from it?
Yes.
@adamtalkstech keep in mind I seed all the time, that is reading operations 24/7, will it work good enough?
My internet connection is much less than 1GB.
@@AnonYmous-yu6hv They are still 950MB/s drives, even your typical 3.5" hard disk drive is more than good enough for this and those get maybe 100MB/s.
doing so well until you failed to recommend the enclosure drives....
oops fail.
I really like the WD Black series and the Samsung 990 pro.
Interesting but links are missing.
Thanks for watching and letting me know! Just updated description :)
Would be nice if you could talk a little bit slower and you have a lot of run-on sentences. Other that, great video!😁
Respectfully, this wasn't as fast as some other videos on TH-cam, especially where accents add to difficulties. So, I've occasionally taken advantage of the playback speed option in the video settings (cogwheel at bottom). That's been useful for my listening needs occasionally. HTH
I am sorry if my sentences run on I will try to work on that I just have a lot of information to cover in a short amount of time and I need to get it all in.
lol I listened to half of this on 2x and it was great
I'm glad it's fast
SSD's are not made specifically for "macs" or PCs, so this tittle is pure bullshit of an apple sheep.
I'm definitely one of the sheep, but did you even watch the video? Apple computers specifically don't support USB 3.2x2 speeds so when you are buying a drive, you can think you're going to hit 2000Mbps but then you just top out at 900Mbps.
You clearly have no clue what you’re talking about or the point of the video.