What have you tried that has changed the way you propagate (if it has)? Mine was definitely when I made the switch to rooting Hoya in their permanent substrate 😁
@@soberplantguy I use Fluval Stratum in small self watering pots. It seems to take longer than yours do but I don’t have to watch them too much. I might try switching to your strategy in the fall when I chop my Obovata. I don’t have a grow tent.
@@phf3238 Love this plant! A friend gave me a cutting of the green form, and inner variegated. They're a long way from being plants, but I'm really looking forward to it!
@@soberplantguy Obovata, green form is a wonderful plant. They are hardy and mine is growing like a weed. I feed it, water it and it is outside on my porch. Oh, I PureCrop1 it every week. No bugs so far.
Rooting my Hoyas in perlite with no drainage. In clear pots! I don’t think I will ever plant in a container I can’t see through again,with or without drainage. I love terracotta, and will keep the plants that are doing well where they are in terms of substrate and container, but for my piece of mind I need to see what’s going on. I like water propagating for plants that are going into semi hydro. I feel rooting cuttings in the medium you want to permanently plant them in is probably the safest way to avoid root rot imho. Edit-I’m rambling, but clear pots is what changed things.
Thanks for taking the time to conduct this propagation experiment. It has also been my rent experience with water propagation for pothos, micans, and scindapsus. There were nice healthy roots, but they immediately declined, losing a significant amount of each plant. I was crackin' up @ 32:15...dang, that's a very big bag. I could only imagine you chuckling at the people who purchased it, knowing how surprised they would be😂
@soberplantguy Lol, hang my head .... I'm now an owner of the feed bag. I'm 5'3", and the flippin' bag comes to my stomach - that'll teach me to laugh at others🤣
I really like tree fern fibre for Hoya….. not to root cuttings in though, I put them in after rooting. Why I love tree fern is because when overwatering, the tree fern dries out faster than a soil mix but even when it is watered again too soon, it has so many air pockets that the roots don’t rot (of course there should not be a layer of water in the cover pot). Tree fern fribre changes colour when it is dry(ish), so during a heat wave it is easy to see which plants need an extra sip in between watering sessions. Most of the Hoya that I grow in the windowsill and some in the tent are in a soil mix though, and they seem fine, they grow slightly slower but that may just be the type of Hoya. What changed the way I propagate: adding perlite to moss, it prevents the moss from compacting too much. Another thing is sticking easy to root plant cuttings, especially with fine roots (like begonia), straight into soil mixes Plants that are easy to remove moss from: Alocasia Piper The moss just slides off the roots
I noticed that color shift--that would be handy! I loved using it with the Hoya. So easy to get them "planted" in the cups. I understand *why* it's so expensive, but oof 😆
@@soberplantguy hahaha yeah…. The price is insane… I see my plants only as a hobby. Theres many growing in my home and so far only the many Hoya and few Alocasia get tree fern fibre. Since I am not buying many more new plants and I am not really selling them except to downsize (selling cuttings/small plants locally in the Netherlands isn’t really worth it here with all the professional growers/importers) I don’t mind buying a bag of tree fern every now and then to upsize the pots of my plants. Its like spoiling my “children” haha, or making my care slightly easier (even if it only just by a tiny little bit). For someone who propagates manymanymany the $ will add up quickly and since other substrates work perfectly fine…. they would make way more sense 😊
@@Wubblyt I'm going to use it like you do--to baby the ones I feel like giving extra to. In my case, mixing it with my normal substrate. And yes, I can imagine it's more challenging to sell plants privately in one of the most productively planty places on earth 😆
@@soberplantguy I hope it works well for you but most importantly, that you have fun with it! I tried to respond to your Hoya Mathilde/Mathilda vid, youtube wouldn’t allow it, but over here…… small Hoya New Guinea Ghost rooted cuttings do go for under €10 I know for sure, because I did it 😂
Hi! I’ve been enjoying your TH-cam videos! I too love Hoyas more than anything else. My husband is also from Iowa. Raised in Little Sioux! Hello from Texas Sober Plant Guy! Please keep those videos coming!!
I been growing houseplants for about 3 or 4 years now and I’ve only recently been more successful with propagating. This was because I started doing what worked for me and ignoring what seemed to work for people on the internet, lol. Water propagation seems to work best for me. I had been trying to the sphagnum moss method and I just cannot do that one! My props ALWAYS rot in that! It’s either too wet or it dries out and I can’t get it wet enough again without drenching it, ugh. I have rooted some things in soil as well (Thanksgiving cactus, lipstick plant). Recently though, I was trying to propagate my entire Hoya collection to share with my mother. I just put them in water so I could see the roots and know when they were ready to pot up (I also put them in my 20 gallon plant terrarium for the humidity). I did put some of the lighter pieces into water with perlite because they kept falling out of the jar and the perlite helped them stay in it better. The only one that didn’t get any roots during the month I had them in there was one of the pieces of obovata and all of the Krimson princess. I thought it was strange because the other piece of obovata (both mid-cuts) had so many roots that I had a hard time getting them to all fit down into the pot (they were growing horizontally). When I saw your video about propagating Hoyas, I just stuck those into my normal well draining potting mix that I use (normal indoor potting soil plus equal parts perlite and orchid bark). Thanks for the video(s)! I find your channel informative as well as entertaining. Have a good day!
Thanks so much! And you are absolutely correct: it doesn't matter what works for who, and where ... except for you. Takes a lot of people forever to get that one figured out.
I've found that fluval stratum works really well, but it depends on which you use. I like to use either sand or pearls (not sure if that's what they are actually called, but it's different than the actual straight rock fluval you can get. It's softer, but still has weight to it and works better for growth, in my opinion.) I also grow my anthiriums in drainless clear pots with fluval reservoirs at the bottom they love it. 😊 But for props, I love to use fluval/perlite mix, perlite, or water. Water, you clearly have to wait longer to get it's secondary roots (except for hoya, obviously)... and water I typically mean my fish tank. Lol. So it provides a lot more natural nutrients than regular water and helps with growth too. Thank you so much for your video! I loved this one. And holy cow that bag of perlite! 😮 Where in the holy store did you get that. 😅
I suspected that mixing the stratum with perlite or something would be more effective, at least for what I was using. Thanks for that great comment! And that bag of perlite is purchased through Amazon, and shipped by the company. Works out to be very, very inexpensive ... if you have room to store it (and the need to buy bulk). As always, cheers ☺
@soberplantguy More cost-effective is the goal, at least when it comes to stratum. Because you aren't wrong! It can get expensive. Mixing it with perlite or other substrates that are like in size make it much more cost effective, but you still get the growth benefits. 😊 Have an awesome day! Can't wait till your next video!
I’m also propagating P. Brasil and Manjula pothos. I have great success putting the cuttings in water until the roots are barely 1/2 inch long and then put them in my chunky, soilless potting mix. That little starter root acts as an anchor to secure the cutting in the potting mix. I love listening to Let’s Talk Hoya with Adam, Lydia and Jessie 😊 The episode with Doug Chamberlain was great- he’s very entertaining. Thanks for all the hard work you’re putting into your channel! You’ve quickly climbed to the top and are my favorite Hoya- tuber 😄
WOW--it's only 6:30 a.m. here in Iowa and I've already been told the nicest thing I'll hear today (unless my wife *really* steps it up 🤭). Did you not crack up when Doug was laughing about chucking all those 6' tall Hoya over the riverbank??! Those were certainly different times 🤣😂🤣 Thank you for the tip, but especially for the words of encouragement!
I do 4 types of propping. Depending on the plant. Water for plants that prefer moisture , perlite for finer root plants, perlite and spag for smaller airoid and spag for bigger rooting plants ie: monstera etc.. I throw my spag props in a bowl of water and soak a few minutes. Then swish them around and it loosens the spag
@@MultiDragon1313 I haven't, but I'm not at all surprised. That's what I'm going to do with some of the fluval. I've always like pumice--but not the price. At least not where I live...!
@@soberplantguy you can get it from pond stores, pet shops and live stock stores. And it shouldn't be too expensive. I had a bunch from pond filters and it ranges from 2 in to 3/4 inch not sure of the conversion. It is helping to hold water for a little bit but the rest of the time is aeration and oxygen for the roots
Loved, loved, loved this video! Sphagnum moss - I buy from a nursery (🇨🇦) that all their plants arrive in moss and i can spend up to 30 min taking it apart when my plants arrive. I have become not a fan LOL I will keep ordering from them however. I recently moved and my plants were shuffled around a total of 3 times in a 1 month period before we could get into our home and they have all revolted. I have been struggling with them since. 7 months now. I did order plant nutrition from said nursery above - They used to have MSU but its now banned in Canada, so they have an alternative they now use and i am giving it a try. Its very discouraging. Some plants i could yeet without being sad about starting over, some would make me extremely sad. So i will keep trying and reassess next spring. Learned a lot from the results of your showdown - Thank you!
Are you referring to CSN? Yeah, de-mossing 4-5 hoyas is a afternoon project. LOL They have lovely plants, but after seeing spider mites on my very first order, I've decided to isolate for a couple of days, then wash 'em down (after de-mossing) with castille soap/rubbing alcohol/hydrogen peroxide/rosemary oil, before repotting. Only one Ilagiorum has "protested" but seems to be recovering. 🇨🇦
Oh that's awful ! I wish your plant the best. 7 months is a very long time to spend rehabbing plants, rather than enjoying them. Good on you for putting in the work.
Vermiculite! I can buy it bulk. I moisten it and put it in one of those food clamshells for humidity. Add cuttings, put the clamshell in decent light. Voila, roots!
Thank you for doing this comparison. I havent come across a youtube video totally dedicated to propagation so it's appreciated. It's a big learning curve especially hoyas. In my opinion all of these products, including leca which has a 30% water retention, they all are terrific if you can figure out what works for each type. I am trying to learn to layer the substrate and thats where the fluval is of benefit because yeah it has nutrients and it also anchors the roots seek it. Don't put much leca on the top layer put it on the bottom. Its like dealing with marbles rolling on the floor. When you get your hoya serpens you will gain a new appreciation of the spagnum. And I have gained more respect for perlite. And a shout out for vermicullite. I am enjoying challenge with the small leaf hoyas. My big leaf beefy veiny one are outside in the heat.
Sorry for the technical ... uh ... glitch. But you're right, all about figuring out what works best for us and in many cases the individual Hoya. I'm glad your Hoya are enjoying the heat. We've just finally had a break in our temps, and I'm in Heaven right now 😇
Couldn't a person not remove sphagnum from roots and just put in substrate of choice? I might have to try it myself, but not on a hoya. Also so glad to hear you thrift. I find ALL my terracotta pots in thrift stores.
I adore Fluval statum, but it is very costly. I highly recommend mixing with perlite or leca to reduce the cost. I think they also have the added benefit of improving aeration.
@@soberplantguy You definitely should. I still use and like perlite, but I'm a chronic overwater and I get paranoid about it drying out on me. I lost some cutting in my early propagation days because I was trying to resist my tendency to drown everything. It's really obvious when Fluval is dry so I don't worry as much.
Davie have always used either perlite but have switched to coco coir not peat e cause peat keeps roots to wet when transplanting. I have had better success with the coco coir even on hoyas. The thinnest leaves of my cibi blue did great they came rootless but all survived with rooting hormone and coir. I am switching my hoyas to your kind of mix. So thanks for the info and I'm sure Amazon thanks you too as was the only place to find #3 perlite lol, Thanks again love the videos and your Iowa sense of humor.
I am amazed at the difference between water propagation and substrate rooting. I never paid attention to the root health just the root length itself. I have used spagnum moss. In propagation and it works nicely but you cannot separate the root away from the moss, and I had the same problem as you. I will definitely try your methods. I have wondered how other substrates would work to propagate and you answered my questions. Do you have your prop boxes in front of a window?? Thanks Dave. Great content
Kim? You definitely shouldn't be taking advice from me--I've seen some of your collection. Sorry for this late response, btw, but I was just salivating over the plants I recently got in a trade.... ☺☺☺
@@kimmatlock2096 Forgot to answer the prop box question. I do have some seedlings off to the side of a window. But everyone has artificial lighting. As for the Hoya, top three are: 'Jennifer,' 'Sunshine,' followed by NGG. Really looking forward to making a video in the next week or two that you might want to check out ....
As a woman I have met a LOT of men who was sure I knew nothing especially about sailing. Some were trying to be helpful and some were sure they knew it all. I quickly learned to agree with everything they said and to thank them profusely.
I prefer mid cut for propagation as they have high chance of more than one growth point on some cuttings I tried and the steam of the top cut mostly dry out in my care. Im so inconsistent in watering my plants due to many reasons 😅 but my first excuse is too many smaller size plants and too little time to tale care of them. I'm doing really good on plant care since I retreated my self from fb plant groups other wise i used to buy at least 3 to 10 hoya cuttings every week due to low self control 😊.
Same here on those mid cuts, though I'm probably on the other side of watering, usually 😅 One wonders for how many weeks you bought cuttings! That could be quite a sizable collection.... Cheers from Iowa City
I said I was skeptical that it was more than basically water propagation like I do with perlite. But I gave it the chance that every other substrate had, no? Sorry that it appeared unfair to you.
I love to experiment with substrates! I’m so glad that you had some success with the Monstera at the end, it’s always such a disappointment when the roots don’t fire. One thing that I have decided is to not purchase plants rooted in moss, it’s honestly dreadful to deal with. Great experiment! 🎉
I purchased a philodendron pink princess which the grower had propagated from tissue culture in fern leaf fibre. It has been the most beautiful & healthy plant I have ever had as a seedling. It has grown into a wonderful strong healthy plant. On the other hand I purchased a Hoya Sarawak cutting that had been grown in tree fern fibre & I lost a growth shoot due to I’m sure the fibre drying out too quickly. I saved it thankfully (it’s one of my faves) by potting it in a chunky Hoya mix. My personal opinion is it does dry out too quickly yet everyone says they use it for moisture retention 😵💫😵💫 Best wishes from New Zealand, it’s great to hear our country being mentioned 🥰🇳🇿Thoroughly enjoying your channel, lots of interesting information you share 👍👍
You aren't kidding about the tree fern fiber drying out--I took those the Monstera cuttings out of the prop box, and boy howdy. It dries out fasssst. Cheers from Iowa City ☺
The first Hoya I grew was a cutting from a friend who just stuck the carnosa in dirt. I paid special attention the first 2 weeks, then normal care. The plant is now 3 feet tall and bushy. I love how Hoyas grow. My next cuttings were received by mail. They were a bit withered, so I stuck them in a cup of water. I was busy, so stuck them in their substrate 2 weeks later. I rather like this way. Just knowing the cuttings were well hydrates prior to planting. I do not like growing in moss or moss poles either. They go from damp to dry too quickly. Especially since I live in Minnesota. I thought I was doing something wrong and felt frustrated.
I agree the bummer about sphagmoss is having to remove a lot of it to pot the cutting later. If you use something like coco chip, your chosen substrate, or perlite, you don't have to remove all that before potting. Going straight to substrate is how they do it at the nursery. The issue with that is keeping it consistently damp (not too dry not too wet) which is easy in a greenhouse not as easy in an open home situation. That's why prop boxes work so well. Straight to substrate works really well in the summer when you can do it outside in small pots in a shady spot where it's hot and humid. I always try to prop as much as possible in the summer. P.S. I live in Colorado which is basically a high desert.
Agreed, prop boxes until they root, then I throw them to the wolves, as it were 😁 I was shocked at how quickly tree fern fiber dries out under normal household conditions. Whoa. Might be useful mixed in with substrate, but I'd be dry-rotting all my plants in that stuff. Cheers from the low, hot, humid, prairie
Thanks for doing this!!! I learned some things on propagating. I propped wetsticks in sphagnum moss & didn’t enjoy picking it off the roots. I’m gonna try perlite propping in prop boxes. Is that the medium or super coarse size perlite that you got? I have that brand marked to get next.
I get the super course, for sure, and forever 😁 And I think you're going to like perlite an awful lot more than spag moss. But you know my thoughts on that medium now ....
I use perlite with a little bit of sphagnum moss and let it root for two weeks. By week 3 I transfer to water to introduce the roots to its “hydro” environment then I usually pot it up in leca by 4th week. I find that by changing from the perlite to water it somehow accelerates the root growth quite a bit (maybe cause I’m using rapid start) in my water. I haven’t lost any plants this way. Before when I tried rooting straight in leca a few plants rotted
Hi! I’m an Iowa native, from the Des Moines area, with a degree from ISU. This video is speaking my language, figuring out what works best for propagating plants. I tried fluval stratum and was not impressed. I really need to get my philodendron glorious out of it, because it looks so sad. But I don’t know what to move it into.🤷♀️ For my plants, I’m currently trying out tree fern fiber. It seems to work well mixed with other media, but not on its own. Also, being an engineer by profession, I have worked with a lot of middle-aged men, and I concur with your opinion. Some men need to hear their own voices. And if a man sneezes but no one hears it, has he really sneezed? My neighbor doesn’t think so, so he sneezes loud enough for the whole complex to hear it.🙄
Hello, fellow native! I was so disappointed that the first hour (and the best part) didn't get recorded. As for that tree fern fiber--holy cats that dries out quickly outside of the prop box. I've never seen anything like it. Yikes. Thanks for the kind comments on my not-very-scientific experiment ☺
@@soberplantguy Are you sure the coco coir & coco chips you recommended in another video aren’t buffered? Unless it explicitly says “buffered”, I am assuming it is not. I’ve used a brand of coir, I didn’t buffer it. I bought coco chips, that did not say they needed to be buffered before I bought them, but then i saw the label on the chips saying they needed to be buffered. Then I couldn’t find good directions on how to buffer it. I finally found a video from an Australian guy that said to use 100 g of calcium nitrate and 6(?) liters of water per 1.5 kg of coir for 36 hours. It was a crazy boring task. Now I need to do the coir from the same brand.🙄
Great, I am really interested in substrate, since I am in the process of switching plants (8 so far) into diy pon. - ok yikes, what happened for your grower friend w/ pon?? What about interviewing her?
My experience with sphagnum is that it seems to cause scale. I quit using it at all. Not even on my anthurium. I was watching someone’s video who was showing off her hoya. She had them all in sphagnum. She suddenly realized on her video that her hoya had scale too, I agree that it’s also a hassle 💯
I was just at a friend's house and ALL of her Hoya growing in moss are failing, and FAST. This is after two years now, but it's remarkable. She's on a 24/7 rescue mission with those plants. Yikes.
I have a Hoya Callistophylla that I bought with a bad root system. It was limp and had root rot. I tried to root in LECA but the roots would fall off. Now it's in a mixture of tree fern fiber and perlite. Fingers crossed!
I left those M siltepecana in both the fluval stratum, and tree fern. Holy smokes the rooting in tree fern! I had to just repot that as a plug. I'm glad you reminded me about that--I have some extra I have been meaning to use with the "special" Hoya.
Don't like fluval s. Too expensive and only one of my hoyas liked it. Spagnum moss is ok but hard to remove off the roots. I just prop in water and water with leca and a few in perlite. Im tired of trying to find the right substrate to grow them in let alone propagation medium. I did witness some very healthy looking props using tree fern fiber on YT. I do plan to order a bag soon. Thanks for this educational video! Dee, NY
@@soberplantguy Yeah, I think I have some on my oldest plant!! But am not sure. I've got what just looks in facial pores on several plants, but not dis-coloured. I bought one of those microscopes everyone has, but I couldn't get it to work well - and the company's info said to download their Chinese software into my phone and that's just a hard No. Any info you have would be great. Thanks!
@@rebeccahenderson7761 If you want to, you can send pics to soberplantguy@gmail.com. It wouldn't be definitive, but I'd be happy to take a look. I returned my microscope. This image quality is poor, and the sync was worse. A 40x jeweler's loupe has far superior clarity (my opinion), and you'll def be able to see those little red-orange devils!
Thank you for showing that bag of perlite because I have no idea what 4 cu yards would look like. Is that the no 3 perlite and is that bigger size than the size you get at the big box stores? Tfs
Yes--this is the #3 (they call it super course), wayyy bigger than the stuff at the big box stores. There are vendors selling smaller amounts on Amazon, but I don't have any experience ... in terms of recommending them. Cheers ☺
Hi Dave, Many thanks for this great learning opportunity! I enjoyed this experimental video very much. Such a great idea for a video! There are so many factors that go in to a successful rooting experience but over time we all learn what works best for each genus of plants in the environment that we have to offer to the plant. One size fits all doesn’t apply to the plant world, does it? Besides, what would be the fun in that?! Take care and happy growing! 👌🪴🥰
Hi Dave… I’m not a hoya guy, they’ve always turned me off for feeling so stiff, plasticy, and artificial. You caught my attention with the staghorn fern video and your incredible fashion sense and wit keeps me watching and coming back for more. Three months later, I’m now seeing hoya in a different light and willing to give them a chance. I do have one hoya, a polyneura, its just one long stiff straight-as-a-board vine. I’d like to prop it with hopes of having a full pot someday. Would you recommend perlite/water or your perlite/coir/chip mix for polyneura propagation?
Well thanks so much! I’d definitely go with my normal substrate for that particular plant. Just keep her moist until you got some decent resistance against a gentle tug! Cheers from Iowa City
*OOOOOH…* *PROPAGATION🌱CORN🌽* 😍🤤😍🤤😍🤤😍🤤😍 *THANK YOU!😭🥰😭* Btw… After many prop. deaths😭, I found that Manjula cuttings🪴like fluval or pon (with a bit of fluval mixed in).
I grow my Hoyas in a potting mix like you that I make up but I also have some that I grow in Pon I can’t decide which one I like best my big plants that are in my mix I would not take out and change pon but if I took a cutting and routed it in pon probably just leave it in pon What is it about? Pon that changes peoples opinion in the long-term? I’ve not used Pon for very long.
I wonder that as well. I watched a video that the woman has all of her extensive Hoya collection in pon and they’re doing fantastic. I switched about half of mine over to see how they do. So far so good but if you buy pon it’s super expensive. I happened to get a huge bag delivered by accident that I didn’t pay for or I probably wouldn’t have done it. I’m curious to see how they do. My alocasia are all thriving since I put them in pon
Me too I have some of my houseplants in Pon too and my small Hoya the Hoya I am going to leave in the Pon as they grow bigger seam to be very happy and so does the houseplants I have grown in semi Hydro for years and it works fine
Roots dying back are the complaint, after a couple of years. But I have no experience with it. Basie Plants on TH-cam talks about it much more extensively.
I have mostly propagated in water but I have a question about putting the cuttings in a cup of perlite. Do you add water to the cup of perlite and then put it in a sealed plastic bag?
That would certainly work. Since I do sooo many props, I have multiple plastic bins. I did a little experiment this summer with seeing how the rooting would go just leaving them in a bright, warm spot, but without added humidity. Of course it worked out fine, but it was incredibly, incredibly slow in comparison. And by that, I mean, from time of propping to having roots sturdy enough to pot up.
As a newbie, I find myself wondering why propagating in perlight and water produces more substantial roots than just straight water. If I understand the perlight method, you fill the container with perlight to the top, add about half water. Is it because the perlight breaks the surface tension, or does it provide aeration in the water?
Instead of growing what (for me) have always been weak water roots, growing into something that acts as a substrate produces those soil-like roots. I gave up water props long ago, but obviously many people swear by it. When I pot up the perlite props, I almost never experience any transplant shock whatsoever. Cheers from Iowa City ..!
Do you think you'd ever sell cuttings? I've been looking for some cuttings that are more rare but here in Iowa it doesn't seem like many people have them.
I use both types of Fluval Stratum and what you're using doesn't look like it. It looks too big and too hard. Is it by chance another brand? If there is a new type I'm definitely trying it.
It looks like Shrimp Scoria which looks a lot like it and people get it mixed up all the time. I'm new here and I love your vids man. 7 years sober here and it's a journey. Thank God for plants.
@@Skincareslug It was just marked plain old Fluval Stratum, with no asterisks or anything 😆 But I can assure you that you know more about it than I do. And hell yeah on 7 years. I could not have had an inkling of how wide-open the world would break once I quit drinking. Cheers from Iowa City
So i've been growing for 9 years and I made a huge mistake felt like a rookie mistake.. Hoping people can learn from it. I can admit when Im wrong and I was so wrong. It was definitely hoyapocalypse 2024 😢 for me . I know better than this but I had so many plants I needed to be repot and everybody was going nuts over the tree fern. I did a mix with only maybe twenty percent tree fern .. I thought my other stuff was airy Enough .. I was so wrong. It just held the water and didn't seem to run through pot, I did not notice that right away. Every time I was watering, it was just holding the water. I had the worst rot i've ever experienced in my life, not just on hoya , Other plants we're rotting too.. But I had to reroot so many of my hoya. It just held the water in the pots The water was not running through. , So many of them had so much rot. It was one of the worst plant experiences of my life. In my Opinion treefern is not for hoya. It may great for those plants that dry out to fast and need a lot of . But I still recommend getting air in there with some pearlite Or something. I know Antherium, our plants that don't like to dry out.The people who really sing its praises are usually anttherium growers. I spent 3 days repoting cutting roots off cutting parts of stems. I even lost a few expensive plants. I know better if you're trying something new, you always just try one or two things you should stick with cuttings. It's one of those things that I was in the mood to repot and I had everything pulled out and I just kept going. One month later, I had to repot everything again.😢 It actually felt like a tragedy. I also had three huge plastic bins of soil.I could not use.. Ended up putting it out in my garden outside
What a nightmare for you. I was amazed by how compacted it became. I have added some, very sparingly, into certain Hoya that prefer a little moisture substrate, keeping in mind how many plants I grow in basalt or terracotta. But, no, I won't be purchasing more of this very expensive product. I'm am happy for other people that love, however.
Yes! Things are good. I spent three days Hoya shopping and working at my friend's greenhouse while my street is being torn apart *right* outside my house. I hope it's quiet enough today to get something filmed! Thanks for the concern ☺
What have you tried that has changed the way you propagate (if it has)? Mine was definitely when I made the switch to rooting Hoya in their permanent substrate 😁
Same!
@@soberplantguy I use Fluval Stratum in small self watering pots. It seems to take longer than yours do but I don’t have to watch them too much. I might try switching to your strategy in the fall when I chop my Obovata. I don’t have a grow tent.
@@phf3238 Love this plant! A friend gave me a cutting of the green form, and inner variegated. They're a long way from being plants, but I'm really looking forward to it!
@@soberplantguy Obovata, green form is a wonderful plant. They are hardy and mine is growing like a weed. I feed it, water it and it is outside on my porch. Oh, I PureCrop1 it every week. No bugs so far.
Rooting my Hoyas in perlite with no drainage. In clear pots! I don’t think I will ever plant in a container I can’t see through again,with or without drainage. I love terracotta, and will keep the plants that are doing well where they are in terms of substrate and container, but for my piece of mind I need to see what’s going on. I like water propagating for plants that are going into semi hydro. I feel rooting cuttings in the medium you want to permanently plant them in is probably the safest way to avoid root rot imho. Edit-I’m rambling, but clear pots is what changed things.
Thanks for taking the time to conduct this propagation experiment. It has also been my rent experience with water propagation for pothos, micans, and scindapsus. There were nice healthy roots, but they immediately declined, losing a significant amount of each plant. I was crackin' up @ 32:15...dang, that's a very big bag. I could only imagine you chuckling at the people who purchased it, knowing how surprised they would be😂
Hey! In my defense, I did say "imagine a giant feed bag" or something to that effect 🤣
@soberplantguy Lol, hang my head .... I'm now an owner of the feed bag. I'm 5'3", and the flippin' bag comes to my stomach - that'll teach me to laugh at others🤣
@@simplydee4522 Perhaps this isn't an appropriate response, but 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 this cracks me up (I'm a towering 5'7", so it's not much different).
I love these kind of videos. I always learn something even if the experiment was biased or inconsistent. Thank you 💚
Thank you! It's a struggle for anyone to make that perfect, amateur, experiment video (or, it could just be me 🤣😂🤣)
@@soberplantguy 😂😂you did good. It’s very time consuming to keep everything controlled. Running an experiment like this is a full time job 😂
I really like tree fern fibre for Hoya….. not to root cuttings in though, I put them in after rooting.
Why I love tree fern is because when overwatering, the tree fern dries out faster than a soil mix but even when it is watered again too soon, it has so many air pockets that the roots don’t rot (of course there should not be a layer of water in the cover pot).
Tree fern fribre changes colour when it is dry(ish), so during a heat wave it is easy to see which plants need an extra sip in between watering sessions.
Most of the Hoya that I grow in the windowsill and some in the tent are in a soil mix though, and they seem fine, they grow slightly slower but that may just be the type of Hoya.
What changed the way I propagate: adding perlite to moss, it prevents the moss from compacting too much.
Another thing is sticking easy to root plant cuttings, especially with fine roots (like begonia), straight into soil mixes
Plants that are easy to remove moss from:
Alocasia
Piper
The moss just slides off the roots
I noticed that color shift--that would be handy! I loved using it with the Hoya. So easy to get them "planted" in the cups. I understand *why* it's so expensive, but oof 😆
@@soberplantguy hahaha yeah…. The price is insane…
I see my plants only as a hobby. Theres many growing in my home and so far only the many Hoya and few Alocasia get tree fern fibre. Since I am not buying many more new plants and I am not really selling them except to downsize (selling cuttings/small plants locally in the Netherlands isn’t really worth it here with all the professional growers/importers) I don’t mind buying a bag of tree fern every now and then to upsize the pots of my plants. Its like spoiling my “children” haha, or making my care slightly easier (even if it only just by a tiny little bit).
For someone who propagates manymanymany the $ will add up quickly and since other substrates work perfectly fine…. they would make way more sense 😊
@@Wubblyt I'm going to use it like you do--to baby the ones I feel like giving extra to. In my case, mixing it with my normal substrate. And yes, I can imagine it's more challenging to sell plants privately in one of the most productively planty places on earth 😆
@@soberplantguy I hope it works well for you but most importantly, that you have fun with it!
I tried to respond to your Hoya Mathilde/Mathilda vid, youtube wouldn’t allow it, but over here…… small Hoya New Guinea Ghost rooted cuttings do go for under €10 I know for sure, because I did it 😂
Hi! I’ve been enjoying your TH-cam videos! I too love Hoyas more than anything else. My husband is also from Iowa. Raised in Little Sioux! Hello from Texas Sober Plant Guy! Please keep those videos coming!!
Thanks so much for the encouragement !
I been growing houseplants for about 3 or 4 years now and I’ve only recently been more successful with propagating. This was because I started doing what worked for me and ignoring what seemed to work for people on the internet, lol. Water propagation seems to work best for me. I had been trying to the sphagnum moss method and I just cannot do that one! My props ALWAYS rot in that! It’s either too wet or it dries out and I can’t get it wet enough again without drenching it, ugh. I have rooted some things in soil as well (Thanksgiving cactus, lipstick plant). Recently though, I was trying to propagate my entire Hoya collection to share with my mother. I just put them in water so I could see the roots and know when they were ready to pot up (I also put them in my 20 gallon plant terrarium for the humidity). I did put some of the lighter pieces into water with perlite because they kept falling out of the jar and the perlite helped them stay in it better. The only one that didn’t get any roots during the month I had them in there was one of the pieces of obovata and all of the Krimson princess. I thought it was strange because the other piece of obovata (both mid-cuts) had so many roots that I had a hard time getting them to all fit down into the pot (they were growing horizontally). When I saw your video about propagating Hoyas, I just stuck those into my normal well draining potting mix that I use (normal indoor potting soil plus equal parts perlite and orchid bark). Thanks for the video(s)! I find your channel informative as well as entertaining. Have a good day!
Thanks so much! And you are absolutely correct: it doesn't matter what works for who, and where ... except for you. Takes a lot of people forever to get that one figured out.
I've found that fluval stratum works really well, but it depends on which you use. I like to use either sand or pearls (not sure if that's what they are actually called, but it's different than the actual straight rock fluval you can get. It's softer, but still has weight to it and works better for growth, in my opinion.)
I also grow my anthiriums in drainless clear pots with fluval reservoirs at the bottom they love it. 😊
But for props, I love to use fluval/perlite mix, perlite, or water. Water, you clearly have to wait longer to get it's secondary roots (except for hoya, obviously)... and water I typically mean my fish tank. Lol. So it provides a lot more natural nutrients than regular water and helps with growth too.
Thank you so much for your video! I loved this one. And holy cow that bag of perlite! 😮 Where in the holy store did you get that. 😅
I suspected that mixing the stratum with perlite or something would be more effective, at least for what I was using. Thanks for that great comment! And that bag of perlite is purchased through Amazon, and shipped by the company. Works out to be very, very inexpensive ... if you have room to store it (and the need to buy bulk). As always, cheers ☺
@soberplantguy More cost-effective is the goal, at least when it comes to stratum. Because you aren't wrong! It can get expensive. Mixing it with perlite or other substrates that are like in size make it much more cost effective, but you still get the growth benefits. 😊 Have an awesome day! Can't wait till your next video!
Also.... Thank you for the podcast recommendation! I was able to find the channel and promptly subscribed.
Such a good podcast! If you love listening to friends chatting and also learning about Hoya. 😊
@@hanstera_deliciosaI've already listened to 1 episode and really enjoyed it!
@@soniacosgrove Can’t wait for the soberplantguy podcast ;)
@@hanstera_deliciosa Yessssss!
I’m also propagating P. Brasil and Manjula pothos. I have great success putting the cuttings in water until the roots are barely 1/2 inch long and then put them in my chunky, soilless potting mix. That little starter root acts as an anchor to secure the cutting in the potting mix.
I love listening to Let’s Talk Hoya with Adam, Lydia and Jessie 😊 The episode with Doug Chamberlain was great- he’s very entertaining.
Thanks for all the hard work you’re putting into your channel! You’ve quickly climbed to the top and are my favorite Hoya- tuber 😄
WOW--it's only 6:30 a.m. here in Iowa and I've already been told the nicest thing I'll hear today (unless my wife *really* steps it up 🤭). Did you not crack up when Doug was laughing about chucking all those 6' tall Hoya over the riverbank??! Those were certainly different times 🤣😂🤣 Thank you for the tip, but especially for the words of encouragement!
I do 4 types of propping. Depending on the plant. Water for plants that prefer moisture , perlite for finer root plants, perlite and spag for smaller airoid and spag for bigger rooting plants ie: monstera etc.. I throw my spag props in a bowl of water and soak a few minutes. Then swish them around and it loosens the spag
Argh, forgot to mention the bowl of water "trick." I think it was Plant Haven Toronto that taught me that.
@@soberplantguy I'm experimenting with lava rock in my hoya substrate and they are enjoying it. Have you ever tried it?
@@MultiDragon1313 I haven't, but I'm not at all surprised. That's what I'm going to do with some of the fluval. I've always like pumice--but not the price. At least not where I live...!
@@soberplantguy you can get it from pond stores, pet shops and live stock stores. And it shouldn't be too expensive. I had a bunch from pond filters and it ranges from 2 in to 3/4 inch not sure of the conversion. It is helping to hold water for a little bit but the rest of the time is aeration and oxygen for the roots
Loved, loved, loved this video!
Sphagnum moss - I buy from a nursery (🇨🇦) that all their plants arrive in moss and i can spend up to 30 min taking it apart when my plants arrive. I have become not a fan LOL I will keep ordering from them however.
I recently moved and my plants were shuffled around a total of 3 times in a 1 month period before we could get into our home and they have all revolted. I have been struggling with them since. 7 months now. I did order plant nutrition from said nursery above - They used to have MSU but its now banned in Canada, so they have an alternative they now use and i am giving it a try. Its very discouraging. Some plants i could yeet without being sad about starting over, some would make me extremely sad. So i will keep trying and reassess next spring.
Learned a lot from the results of your showdown - Thank you!
Are you referring to CSN? Yeah, de-mossing 4-5 hoyas is a afternoon project. LOL They have lovely plants, but after seeing spider mites on my very first order, I've decided to isolate for a couple of days, then wash 'em down (after de-mossing) with castille soap/rubbing alcohol/hydrogen peroxide/rosemary oil, before repotting. Only one Ilagiorum has "protested" but seems to be recovering. 🇨🇦
@@Kimbermoi I'm so sorry to hear about your experience! Thankfully I have not, but will now be hyper aware 🇨🇦
Oh that's awful ! I wish your plant the best. 7 months is a very long time to spend rehabbing plants, rather than enjoying them. Good on you for putting in the work.
Vermiculite! I can buy it bulk. I moisten it and put it in one of those food clamshells for humidity. Add cuttings, put the clamshell in decent light. Voila, roots!
I want to try this and have an unopened bag. Thanks for the nudge!
I'm not sure what method my friends uses, but she reports very good results, too.
You get your upper body workout with just lifting that perlite bag!!!!!
I hope you mean WHEN IT WAS COMPLETELY FULL 🤣😂🤣
@@soberplantguy Of course!!!!!!
Thank you for doing this comparison. I havent come across a youtube video totally dedicated to propagation so it's appreciated. It's a big learning curve especially hoyas.
In my opinion all of these products, including leca which has a 30% water retention, they all are terrific if you can figure out what works for each type. I am trying to learn to layer the substrate and thats where the fluval is of benefit because yeah it has nutrients and it also anchors the roots seek it. Don't put much leca on the top layer put it on the bottom. Its like dealing with marbles rolling on the floor.
When you get your hoya serpens you will gain a new appreciation of the spagnum. And I have gained more respect for perlite. And a shout out for vermicullite. I am enjoying challenge with the small leaf hoyas. My big leaf beefy veiny one are outside in the heat.
Sorry for the technical ... uh ... glitch. But you're right, all about figuring out what works best for us and in many cases the individual Hoya. I'm glad your Hoya are enjoying the heat. We've just finally had a break in our temps, and I'm in Heaven right now 😇
Couldn't a person not remove sphagnum from roots and just put in substrate of choice? I might have to try it myself, but not on a hoya.
Also so glad to hear you thrift. I find ALL my terracotta pots in thrift stores.
I had the roots rot almost immediately doing that, but as always, results vary widely. 😀
I adore Fluval statum, but it is very costly. I highly recommend mixing with perlite or leca to reduce the cost. I think they also have the added benefit of improving aeration.
I'm going to try that, since I have a bag. And mix it into my regular substrate as though it's pumice. Good shout!
@@soberplantguy You definitely should. I still use and like perlite, but I'm a chronic overwater and I get paranoid about it drying out on me. I lost some cutting in my early propagation days because I was trying to resist my tendency to drown everything. It's really obvious when Fluval is dry so I don't worry as much.
Thank you New Zealand
Cheers from Iowa!
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Davie have always used either perlite but have switched to coco coir not peat e cause peat keeps roots to wet when transplanting. I have had better success with the coco coir even on hoyas. The thinnest leaves of my cibi blue did great they came rootless but all survived with rooting hormone and coir. I am switching my hoyas to your kind of mix. So thanks for the info and I'm sure Amazon thanks you too as was the only place to find #3 perlite lol, Thanks again love the videos and your Iowa sense of humor.
Ah, thanks so much. I've been honing that Iowa sense of humor for a few years now 😁
I am amazed at the difference between water propagation and substrate rooting. I never paid attention to the root health just the root length itself. I have used spagnum moss. In propagation and it works nicely but you cannot separate the root away from the moss, and I had the same problem as you. I will definitely try your methods. I have wondered how other substrates would work to propagate and you answered my questions. Do you have your prop boxes in front of a window?? Thanks Dave. Great content
Kim? You definitely shouldn't be taking advice from me--I've seen some of your collection. Sorry for this late response, btw, but I was just salivating over the plants I recently got in a trade.... ☺☺☺
@@soberplantguy don't be hard on yourself, I have learned a lot from you. What would you consider to be your most sought after hoya or plant???
@@kimmatlock2096 Forgot to answer the prop box question. I do have some seedlings off to the side of a window. But everyone has artificial lighting. As for the Hoya, top three are: 'Jennifer,' 'Sunshine,' followed by NGG. Really looking forward to making a video in the next week or two that you might want to check out ....
@@soberplantguy looking forward to another video. You and your wife have a lovely Iowa evening.
As a woman I have met a LOT of men who was sure I knew nothing especially about sailing. Some were trying to be helpful and some were sure they knew it all. I quickly learned to agree with everything they said and to thank them profusely.
Hahaha!!! Same here. Bless their hearts😁
Oops, forgot to say that I have sailed tens of thousands of miles more than most people.
Just had to do this very thing with a friend today lol...!
I prefer mid cut for propagation as they have high chance of more than one growth point on some cuttings I tried and the steam of the top cut mostly dry out in my care. Im so inconsistent in watering my plants due to many reasons 😅 but my first excuse is too many smaller size plants and too little time to tale care of them. I'm doing really good on plant care since I retreated my self from fb plant groups other wise i used to buy at least 3 to 10 hoya cuttings every week due to low self control 😊.
Same here on those mid cuts, though I'm probably on the other side of watering, usually 😅 One wonders for how many weeks you bought cuttings! That could be quite a sizable collection.... Cheers from Iowa City
This was good for me to read. I’m lacking control right now myself
Fluval is amazing! I grow plants in it.
You decided from the very beginning you didn't want to like Stratum. So not a fair trial.
I said I was skeptical that it was more than basically water propagation like I do with perlite. But I gave it the chance that every other substrate had, no? Sorry that it appeared unfair to you.
I love to experiment with substrates! I’m so glad that you had some success with the Monstera at the end, it’s always such a disappointment when the roots don’t fire. One thing that I have decided is to not purchase plants rooted in moss, it’s honestly dreadful to deal with. Great experiment! 🎉
Dreadful is the correct word, and sentiment 😒
I purchased a philodendron pink princess which the grower had propagated from tissue culture in fern leaf fibre. It has been the most beautiful & healthy plant I have ever had as a seedling. It has grown into a wonderful strong healthy plant. On the other hand I purchased a Hoya Sarawak cutting that had been grown in tree fern fibre & I lost a growth shoot due to I’m sure the fibre drying out too quickly. I saved it thankfully (it’s one of my faves) by potting it in a chunky Hoya mix. My personal opinion is it does dry out too quickly yet everyone says they use it for moisture retention 😵💫😵💫 Best wishes from New Zealand, it’s great to hear our country being mentioned 🥰🇳🇿Thoroughly enjoying your channel, lots of interesting information you share 👍👍
You aren't kidding about the tree fern fiber drying out--I took those the Monstera cuttings out of the prop box, and boy howdy. It dries out fasssst. Cheers from Iowa City ☺
The first Hoya I grew was a cutting from a friend who just stuck the carnosa in dirt. I paid special attention the first 2 weeks, then normal care. The plant is now 3 feet tall and bushy. I love how Hoyas grow.
My next cuttings were received by mail. They were a bit withered, so I stuck them in a cup of water. I was busy, so stuck them in their substrate 2 weeks later. I rather like this way. Just knowing the cuttings were well hydrates prior to planting.
I do not like growing in moss or moss poles either. They go from damp to dry too quickly. Especially since I live in Minnesota. I thought I was doing something wrong and felt frustrated.
Right? That furnace heat really does a number on moss. I'm down to just the one. We'll see about that next year ... I know it won't be *more* 🤣
I agree the bummer about sphagmoss is having to remove a lot of it to pot the cutting later. If you use something like coco chip, your chosen substrate, or perlite, you don't have to remove all that before potting. Going straight to substrate is how they do it at the nursery. The issue with that is keeping it consistently damp (not too dry not too wet) which is easy in a greenhouse not as easy in an open home situation. That's why prop boxes work so well. Straight to substrate works really well in the summer when you can do it outside in small pots in a shady spot where it's hot and humid. I always try to prop as much as possible in the summer. P.S. I live in Colorado which is basically a high desert.
Agreed, prop boxes until they root, then I throw them to the wolves, as it were 😁 I was shocked at how quickly tree fern fiber dries out under normal household conditions. Whoa. Might be useful mixed in with substrate, but I'd be dry-rotting all my plants in that stuff. Cheers from the low, hot, humid, prairie
PS my friend farms veg quite successfully and uses vermiculite by the bale.
If what I’m rooting with works why change it. Thanks for the video.
I don’t use this but as soon as plant roots in water they have to be switched to perlite to finish.
Thanks for doing this!!! I learned some things on propagating. I propped wetsticks in sphagnum moss & didn’t enjoy picking it off the roots. I’m gonna try perlite propping in prop boxes.
Is that the medium or super coarse size perlite that you got? I have that brand marked to get next.
I get the super course, for sure, and forever 😁 And I think you're going to like perlite an awful lot more than spag moss. But you know my thoughts on that medium now ....
I use perlite with a little bit of sphagnum moss and let it root for two weeks. By week 3 I transfer to water to introduce the roots to its “hydro” environment then I usually pot it up in leca by 4th week. I find that by changing from the perlite to water it somehow accelerates the root growth quite a bit (maybe cause I’m using rapid start) in my water. I haven’t lost any plants this way. Before when I tried rooting straight in leca a few plants rotted
Sounds like a very good method!
Hi! I’m an Iowa native, from the Des Moines area, with a degree from ISU. This video is speaking my language, figuring out what works best for propagating plants. I tried fluval stratum and was not impressed. I really need to get my philodendron glorious out of it, because it looks so sad. But I don’t know what to move it into.🤷♀️
For my plants, I’m currently trying out tree fern fiber. It seems to work well mixed with other media, but not on its own.
Also, being an engineer by profession, I have worked with a lot of middle-aged men, and I concur with your opinion. Some men need to hear their own voices. And if a man sneezes but no one hears it, has he really sneezed? My neighbor doesn’t think so, so he sneezes loud enough for the whole complex to hear it.🙄
Hello, fellow native! I was so disappointed that the first hour (and the best part) didn't get recorded. As for that tree fern fiber--holy cats that dries out quickly outside of the prop box. I've never seen anything like it. Yikes. Thanks for the kind comments on my not-very-scientific experiment ☺
@@soberplantguy Are you sure the coco coir & coco chips you recommended in another video aren’t buffered? Unless it explicitly says “buffered”, I am assuming it is not. I’ve used a brand of coir, I didn’t buffer it. I bought coco chips, that did not say they needed to be buffered before I bought them, but then i saw the label on the chips saying they needed to be buffered. Then I couldn’t find good directions on how to buffer it. I finally found a video from an Australian guy that said to use 100 g of calcium nitrate and 6(?) liters of water per 1.5 kg of coir for 36 hours. It was a crazy boring task. Now I need to do the coir from the same brand.🙄
Interesting. Gresa idea.
Thanks for checking out the video!
Great, I am really interested in substrate, since I am in the process of switching plants (8 so far) into diy pon. - ok yikes, what happened for your grower friend w/ pon?? What about interviewing her?
ooh, I hope you give progress reports!
My experience with sphagnum is that it seems to cause scale. I quit using it at all. Not even on my anthurium. I was watching someone’s video who was showing off her hoya. She had them all in sphagnum. She suddenly realized on her video that her hoya had scale too, I agree that it’s also a hassle 💯
I was just at a friend's house and ALL of her Hoya growing in moss are failing, and FAST. This is after two years now, but it's remarkable. She's on a 24/7 rescue mission with those plants. Yikes.
I have a Hoya Callistophylla that I bought with a bad root system. It was limp and had root rot. I tried to root in LECA but the roots would fall off. Now it's in a mixture of tree fern fiber and perlite. Fingers crossed!
I left those M siltepecana in both the fluval stratum, and tree fern. Holy smokes the rooting in tree fern! I had to just repot that as a plug. I'm glad you reminded me about that--I have some extra I have been meaning to use with the "special" Hoya.
Don't like fluval s. Too expensive and only one of my hoyas liked it. Spagnum moss is ok but hard to remove off the roots. I just prop in water and water with leca and a few in perlite. Im tired of trying to find the right substrate to grow them in let alone propagation medium. I did witness some very healthy looking props using tree fern fiber on YT. I do plan to order a bag soon. Thanks for this educational video! Dee, NY
For those thicker-stemmed Hoya, tree fern was an absolute pleasure to work with. Be well, Dee!
i just looked up Doug Chamberlin and immediately saw a vid on flat mites. Have you done a vid on flat mites? I'd sure like to see that.
I haven't, but I did receive a plant with flat mites that I'm experimenting on--Pure Crop 1. I'll definitely report how it goes/is going.
@@soberplantguyplease do! 🤗
@@soberplantguy Yeah, I think I have some on my oldest plant!! But am not sure. I've got what just looks in facial pores on several plants, but not dis-coloured. I bought one of those microscopes everyone has, but I couldn't get it to work well - and the company's info said to download their Chinese software into my phone and that's just a hard No. Any info you have would be great. Thanks!
@@rebeccahenderson7761 If you want to, you can send pics to soberplantguy@gmail.com. It wouldn't be definitive, but I'd be happy to take a look.
I returned my microscope. This image quality is poor, and the sync was worse. A 40x jeweler's loupe has far superior clarity (my opinion), and you'll def be able to see those little red-orange devils!
@@soberplantguy yes please let us know about the ProCrop 1. Expensive for just Soybean&Corn oils,Glycerin,GuarGum,Citric Acid, vanilla soap/scent🥴
Thank you for showing that bag of perlite because I have no idea what 4 cu yards would look like. Is that the no 3 perlite and is that bigger size than the size you get at the big box stores? Tfs
Yes--this is the #3 (they call it super course), wayyy bigger than the stuff at the big box stores. There are vendors selling smaller amounts on Amazon, but I don't have any experience ... in terms of recommending them. Cheers ☺
Hi Dave, Many thanks for this great learning opportunity! I enjoyed this experimental video very much. Such a great idea for a video! There are so many factors that go in to a successful rooting experience but over time we all learn what works best for each genus of plants in the environment that we have to offer to the plant. One size fits all doesn’t apply to the plant world, does it? Besides, what would be the fun in that?! Take care and happy growing! 👌🪴🥰
@@peggymalabuyoc9150 Agreed, Peggy. One size fits all would be boring in *any* world!
Hi Dave… I’m not a hoya guy, they’ve always turned me off for feeling so stiff, plasticy, and artificial. You caught my attention with the staghorn fern video and your incredible fashion sense and wit keeps me watching and coming back for more. Three months later, I’m now seeing hoya in a different light and willing to give them a chance. I do have one hoya, a polyneura, its just one long stiff straight-as-a-board vine. I’d like to prop it with hopes of having a full pot someday. Would you recommend perlite/water or your perlite/coir/chip mix for polyneura propagation?
Well thanks so much! I’d definitely go with my normal substrate for that particular plant. Just keep her moist until you got some decent resistance against a gentle tug! Cheers from Iowa City
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After many prop. deaths😭, I found that Manjula cuttings🪴like fluval or pon (with a bit of fluval mixed in).
Sorry about my filming snafu 🙃
Poor, poor Lexi.
It's all too true............
I grow my Hoyas in a potting mix like you that I make up but I also have some that I grow in Pon I can’t decide which one I like best my big plants that are in my mix I would not take out and change pon but if I took a cutting and routed it in pon probably just leave it in pon
What is it about? Pon that changes peoples opinion in the long-term? I’ve not used Pon for very long.
I wonder that as well. I watched a video that the woman has all of her extensive Hoya collection in pon and they’re doing fantastic. I switched about half of mine over to see how they do. So far so good but if you buy pon it’s super expensive. I happened to get a huge bag delivered by accident that I didn’t pay for or I probably wouldn’t have done it. I’m curious to see how they do. My alocasia are all thriving since I put them in pon
Me too I have some of my houseplants in Pon too and my small Hoya the Hoya I am going to leave in the Pon as they grow bigger seam to be very happy and so does the houseplants I have grown in semi Hydro for years and it works fine
Roots dying back are the complaint, after a couple of years. But I have no experience with it. Basie Plants on TH-cam talks about it much more extensively.
O I watch Basie plants I will go check that video thanks
I have mostly propagated in water but I have a question about putting the cuttings in a cup of perlite. Do you add water to the cup of perlite and then put it in a sealed plastic bag?
That would certainly work. Since I do sooo many props, I have multiple plastic bins. I did a little experiment this summer with seeing how the rooting would go just leaving them in a bright, warm spot, but without added humidity. Of course it worked out fine, but it was incredibly, incredibly slow in comparison. And by that, I mean, from time of propping to having roots sturdy enough to pot up.
As a newbie, I find myself wondering why propagating in perlight and water produces more substantial roots than just straight water. If I understand the perlight method, you fill the container with perlight to the top, add about half water. Is it because the perlight breaks the surface tension, or does it provide aeration in the water?
Instead of growing what (for me) have always been weak water roots, growing into something that acts as a substrate produces those soil-like roots. I gave up water props long ago, but obviously many people swear by it. When I pot up the perlite props, I almost never experience any transplant shock whatsoever. Cheers from Iowa City ..!
@soberplantguy Ahhh... almost like the plant believes it's a true substate, so it develops soil roots. Thanks for explaining that, Dave.
Do you think you'd ever sell cuttings? I've been looking for some cuttings that are more rare but here in Iowa it doesn't seem like many people have them.
Absolutely! If you’ve seen something you’re interested in, or just want to inquire: soberplantguy@gmail.com
I use both types of Fluval Stratum and what you're using doesn't look like it. It looks too big and too hard. Is it by chance another brand?
If there is a new type I'm definitely trying it.
It looks like Shrimp Scoria which looks a lot like it and people get it mixed up all the time. I'm new here and I love your vids man. 7 years sober here and it's a journey. Thank God for plants.
@@Skincareslug It was just marked plain old Fluval Stratum, with no asterisks or anything 😆 But I can assure you that you know more about it than I do.
And hell yeah on 7 years. I could not have had an inkling of how wide-open the world would break once I quit drinking. Cheers from Iowa City
So i've been growing for 9 years and I made a huge mistake felt like a rookie mistake.. Hoping people can learn from it. I can admit when Im wrong and I was so wrong. It was definitely hoyapocalypse 2024 😢 for me . I know better than this but I had so many plants I needed to be repot and everybody was going nuts over the tree fern. I did a mix with only maybe twenty percent tree fern .. I thought my other stuff was airy Enough .. I was so wrong. It just held the water and didn't seem to run through pot, I did not notice that right away. Every time I was watering, it was just holding the water. I had the worst rot i've ever experienced in my life, not just on hoya , Other plants we're rotting too.. But I had to reroot so many of my hoya. It just held the water in the pots The water was not running through. , So many of them had so much rot. It was one of the worst plant experiences of my life. In my Opinion treefern is not for hoya. It may great for those plants that dry out to fast and need a lot of . But I still recommend getting air in there with some pearlite Or something. I know Antherium, our plants that don't like to dry out.The people who really sing its praises are usually anttherium growers. I spent 3 days repoting cutting roots off cutting parts of stems. I even lost a few expensive plants. I know better if you're trying something new, you always just try one or two things you should stick with cuttings. It's one of those things that I was in the mood to repot and I had everything pulled out and I just kept going. One month later, I had to repot everything again.😢 It actually felt like a tragedy. I also had three huge plastic bins of soil.I could not use.. Ended up putting it out in my garden outside
What a nightmare for you. I was amazed by how compacted it became. I have added some, very sparingly, into certain Hoya that prefer a little moisture substrate, keeping in mind how many plants I grow in basalt or terracotta. But, no, I won't be purchasing more of this very expensive product. I'm am happy for other people that love, however.
Is everything okay? I wait for your video and am getting worried!
Yes! Things are good. I spent three days Hoya shopping and working at my friend's greenhouse while my street is being torn apart *right* outside my house. I hope it's quiet enough today to get something filmed! Thanks for the concern ☺
You should be selling perlite! 😂
That'll be side, side hustle 😆
@@soberplantguy I mean along with the plants. 99% of us can’t use that much perlite.
@@phf3238 Listen. My whole life used to be all about there's no such thing as "too much" (whatever that means) 🤣😂🤣