Composer Reacts to Haken - Carousel (REACTION & ANALYSIS)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ค. 2024
- Bryan reacts to and talks about his thoughts on Carousel
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0:00 Intro
0:42 Reaction
11:10 Analysis
44:15 Outro
"i walked away from this song thinking...it was a varied song and so much happening that it was disjointed but.....everything was different but the same."
Alright everyone. Pack it up and head on home, we did it. Bryan understands prog metal now!
Sometimes I just have a way with words 😄
Hmm.. I think I would, as his final exam, see how he takes Haken - Vision (L-1VE)... ;D
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Great reaction! I've been a fan of Haken for a long time, and this song does pack a lot of what they're about all at once. The time sigs are definitely all over the place, but if you listen you can keep a constant eighth note pulse going throughout the whole song (think like the song is just a bunch of measures of 1/8). Transitions in prog to me sound less harsh when the subdivision and tempo stays the same. You mentioned the internal metronome, and that's exactly what a lot of modern prog implies in their arrangements. Carousel is an interesting track, I go back and forth between really being into it or not being into it at all. If you're gonna try more Haken, I'd suggest 1985 for a more creative and digestible prog arrangement, or Pareidolia for a long track that's a bit smoother and has a lot of dynamics. Thanks for checking them out again! Always love to see them on the channel!
I found Virus to be a good album, but missed the dynamics you mention. I loved all the call backs to their older stuff and the writing is obviously fantastic. Curious to see what they do next! They’ll always be a fav for me.
The last section of the song (from 7:48 in this video) always reminds me of a storm coming, first with light drops slowly building to a full on tempest by the end. Love it.
Really good analysis! They do tend to have abrupt time changes but I really enjoy how they are all over the place. I think the over all sound of their riffs and creativeness got me hooked on them.
your videos always cheer me up. haken are kings. react to endless knot from them its so groovy
I've come to this channel for reactions for quite a while now, and I always appreciate the consistency in regards to smoother transitions between opposing sections. The lyrics throughout this album were strange, as there are multiple songs (including this one) that focus heavily on common idioms and sayings. Not just using them, but inverting and subverting them. Thought it was an interesting choice, but generally makes any sort of sense throughout the album hard to follow.
Love the videos, keep it up :) Thanks, Byran
Thanks for the words of encouragement!
Reacting to Prog is a bit of a minefield because in all honesty most Prog music, whether it's good or great, takes a few listens to really sink into properly. There's so much going on with bands like Haken or DT that it can definitely feel disjointed, chaotic, or overwhelming. And that's only compounded by songs like this from a concept album where you've got motifs and call-backs to other bits off the album. Like, it's deliberate that it's full of "smash cuts" because that's part of the overall story and feel that the album is giving you.
Honestly, I'm super biased because I bloody love Haken. But I think given the long list of things you liked about the song it would definitely be worth spending a bit more time with the song, and ideally, the album. Either way, great reaction as always Bryan.
I agree, every Haken song by itself is great, but listening to a Haken album front to back is a masterpiece every time
@@ryanmcgill5048 after I discovered them I went album to album and each time was thinking "this one can't be as good as the last one" and was always wrong lol
@@Jaymzmiller dude I was the same way. First heard cockroach king and 1984 and was intrigued. Then started with Aquarius and went through the discog and they became one of my top 5 fav bands
Yup. And I hope people understand that when they listen to my thoughts. The longer and more dense a song is the less depth I'll pick up on a first listen. That doesn't always translate to a weaker analysis section but it does give me less concrete ideas to explore, providing only a surface level read of the song. But I hope that, even in that shallow look, I still find some stuff or can explain it in musical terms that gives both newcomers and fans of the track/band something to think about.
@@CriticalReactions dude, you're one of my favorite reactors. I wouldn't have it any other way with your "critical" analysis of the song
Also, I want to say I love the fact that you let us know if you did or did not enjoy a song. So many of these "reaction" videos channels are never critical of anything. It's so obvious they just enjoy the views from metalheads. They ALWAYS praise the music to keep the viewers coming back to watch more, and hear exactly what they want to hear. I enjoy the fact that you have some god damn integrity.
Thanks man! I've probably lost some potential subscribers due to speaking my mind but I stand by it for the exact reasons you talk about. Not everyone has to enjoy everything they hear and the narrative pushed otherwise isn't healthy for the artists or the fans.
If you enjoy Haken, you should definitely check out Novena! It features Haken's lead singer as well as members of slice the cake. My go to tracks would be "The Tyrant" (there's a nice live at home performance if that song) and "a stopped clock".
I see Slice the Cake so I'm interested!
@@CriticalReactions I knew I'd get you with that ;) Still highly anticipating the Odyssey to the west reaction series!
Love your videos... I would like to request you to react to Satyr - Picayune. I'm sure you will love the progression.
Shame you didn't go for the Messiah Complex suite. This whole record's great though so I'm not complaining :D
That suite blows my mind sometimes.
how is that a shame? this is the best song from the same album
He goes for whatever drops in as a Special Selection 😁
@@progperljungman8218 Hey ProgPer! Long time no see! 🤗
@@progperljungman8218 oh, I'm aware😅
This is the song that made me a Haken fan. It’s also the first song I ever learned on my 7 string guitar (though they use 8 string guitars in a few places in this song). These guys are brilliant musicians and songwriters.
...just doesn't come together...
That pretty much summarizes my personal feelings towards the newer records. Still in love with Visions and Mountain, though. To me, they're timeless.
God damn Haken is amazing, so was this review. I wish I had more musical knowledge to understand everything you were saying though.
This is my favourite from the virus album as well
Haken has been issuing deluxe versions of their last several records that has all of the tracks in instrumental form as well as the normal versions. I don't mind the singer, but I do find myself listening to the instrumental versions more often.
Fun thing I've done when curiosity strikes, is to phase invert the instrumental over the original and mainline Ross' vocal layerings. Some neat stuff hidden in there!
The weird note they keep going back to really takes this to the top for me. The masters of the 8+ minute songs
Please listen to the place where he inserted the blade or basketball shoes by Black Country new road
Thanks, Noah
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This is my fav of their newest album! Great song 👌🏽
For my ear everything comes together, I can follow how the ideas are flowing into eachother. It think the transitions are a lot better than Dream Theater, though I also really like Dream Theater. Maybe it's just something I'm used to, placebo, or could be taste.
Not my favorite from them--in general I prefer the material from their first three albums to their last three--but it's still really good modern prog. I think my issue with their last three albums is that they went from being a rather original prog rock band drawing influences from many of the more obscure classic prog bands (like Gentle Giant) to being a more generic prog metal band... and I only say "generic" in comparison with their earlier work that sounded more original to my ears. Still by no means a bad track, but I do agree about it not cohering really well.
I’d agree. I find myself gravitating to The Mountain, Affinity, Restoration and Visions.
Like you said, their music is great but it doesn’t have the same eclectic nature as their older music did. They sound like a modern dream theater with modern “djent” effects. I miss the varied dynamics in instrumental tones.
Definitely excited to hear what they put out next!
I agree somewhat but Affinity is a masterpiece. It and Vector-Virus are completely separate eras.
Every single second of affinity was exciting and thrilling for me. Mindblowing, phenomenal album. This just isn’t. It’s like they’ve put different time signatures in just to be clever and not because it feels good or it serves the song. Hardly played Vector and only just listening to Virus. Hoping it will grow…..
Fauna’s amazing though!
please do a reaction and analysis to their new single Nightingale 🙏
They have album called Vector highly recomended to check the full album, One of greatest progressive albums ever made in history perfection
Ur talking about Affinty right?, not Vector?
I backed out of the video when he said the wolf cries boy lol
A lot of us Haken fans felt similar about their latest album, Virus, that while the music, while very good, is disjointed, and awkward and thus doesn’t stick quite like a lot of Haken does. Its too eclectic to the point where it really doesn’t have a cohesive nature, which is really what I search for. Their album Affinity mostly incredibly nailed a grand cohesive piece by songs and as by the whole album.
Maybe the next Haken song I check out should come from Affinity then.
Haken so interesting
You need to listen to Haken -Cockroach King. It's an epic masterpiece, you will be blown away by the time signature changes in the middle section, and the jazz bass and piano solo are amazing. Just make sure you listen to the full version and not the single version
I think I've heard Cockroach King but it was probably the single version. I'll check it out again and make sure I've heard the full version now.
Oh great@@CriticalReactions
HOW DOES IT NOT COME TOGETHER FOR YOU...
jk, music is personal preference :b have a nice day everyone : D
Haken got started as a Dream Theater cover band. I completely agree, this track doesn’t come together for me. This whole album was a little off putting, too angular and jerky for me. I much prefer the earlier Haken albums.
this song is more coherent , than you may think . i hear distinct ,one motive throughout the song . how you imagine prog being played... like Beatles? you better clean your ears , cause you are a poor musician/writer.This song evolves ,bringing slight changes .If you havent notice that
This is probably the worst song on the album. I don't think it's terrible but it's kinda meh. Messiah Complex though, that's the shit.
Funny thing for me is Messiah Complex just doesn’t do it for me and this is one of my favs on the album. To me the 1st song to this song are the best. Could have made it an EP
Terrible. Have you never heard progressive metal before? Are time signature changes a new thing for you dude? I was interested to know what you think of the SONG not an analysis of the time signature changes 🙄
Agreed, it's so frustrating when some of these channels (especially Doug Helvering) just hyperfixate on counting the time signatures, and totally seem to miss more interesting aspects of the songs due to it.