JOHNNIE GUILBERT: Bryan Stars, depression, the emo revival & more | The Punk Rock MBA Podcast

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  • @FinnMckentyPRMBA
    @FinnMckentyPRMBA  ปีที่แล้ว +26

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  • @NuggetsXInfinite
    @NuggetsXInfinite ปีที่แล้ว +219

    I grew up watching Bryan Stars interview scene bands. That guy’s legacy is a fever dream now

    • @OneFlewCuckoo
      @OneFlewCuckoo ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Not wrong

    • @Just_niaxx
      @Just_niaxx 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nah fr it’s so crazy

  • @theangelbelow88
    @theangelbelow88 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    "did you get an autographed fart jar?"
    Finn out here asking the real questions 😂
    Also Johnnie seems like a super chill down to earth guy

    • @kittxkarnage
      @kittxkarnage ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I mean it's no Belle Delphine Bath Water..... 😅😅

  • @keyofallworlds7549
    @keyofallworlds7549 ปีที่แล้ว +180

    Johnnie and the rest of the emo youtubers really made it seem like emo was going strong still when they first started. Now it feels like emo never left anytime you look at their content. I am def jealous of Johnnie’s looks and the fact that he’s surrounded by other emo/alt people, but I also know he’s a good person and deserves the best🖤

  • @keyofallworlds7549
    @keyofallworlds7549 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    He’s the same age as me, I completely get him and finding emo/scene stuff too late but finally rolling into it as an adult

  • @vosoryan
    @vosoryan ปีที่แล้ว +69

    Never thought I'd see these 2 come together lol

    • @caitlingill
      @caitlingill ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Johnnie has talked about on Twitch how he like's watching Finn's videos lol

  • @LisaD478
    @LisaD478 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    30 seconds in and Johnnie is already being hit on xD

  • @blacktide888
    @blacktide888 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    Johnnie is a legend for real.

  • @MrWadewynn
    @MrWadewynn ปีที่แล้ว +74

    He started with AFI and they helped kick off the mallcore era, so he is as legit as the scene would allow

    • @haileydruley8932
      @haileydruley8932 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ⁠@@JohnnieGuilbert🖤🥺🥺🖤

  • @justified_edc
    @justified_edc ปีที่แล้ว +50

    What a positive guy, I hadn't checked in on what he was doing since the MDE era so its nice to see him doing well.

  • @enuxs
    @enuxs ปีที่แล้ว +46

    About ten years ago I met an emo guy. He seemed some kind of depressed. We became friends and he showed me so much cool music. We have been on countless concerts. As he organized concerts and I am a hobby guitarist, we spent a lot of time in the music scene. I am much older than him, I have a very well payed job - so we were different, but matched so well. After some time, the scene people called us "Andi & Andi".And over time - even if I tried to avoid it - I was falling in love with him. I had the greatest time in my life and it seemed he too. In my youth, I could not be like I was - gay. I felt lost, not worth to be here. And with Andi it was like, wow - here it is, the life I never thougt, I could have. Andi, the emo was the most wonderful human being, I ever met in my life. But some day, he told me, he wants to live with a girl and have a family. I never felt a pain like this, but - of course - I had to accept it and at the end, I wanted him to have the best possible life. He has his family and I wish them so much all the best. I am alone again. Thinking of him and looking at all these pictures on where we are together still brings me to tears. Why am I writing all this? Maybe because I learned to love the "emo style". Maybe, because the music often is exactly what I feel. I am a huge muscular gay, but I feel weak without "my" cookie monster. Keep the "emo thing" rolling - I love it so much. Sorry for my bad english - I am a german.

    • @natl5692
      @natl5692 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      this was sweet. Sad but sweet. thanks for sharing

    • @enuxs
      @enuxs 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@natl5692 Thanks!

    • @AnnaJuliaOliveirasilva-yf9tp
      @AnnaJuliaOliveirasilva-yf9tp 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      For a moment I thought that was Bryan from a anonymous account

  • @keyofallworlds7549
    @keyofallworlds7549 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Also maybe I caught Johnnie on a good day, but he was super sweet to me when I said hi when I saw him at So What Fest last year🖤

    • @keyofallworlds7549
      @keyofallworlds7549 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@JohnnieGuilbert Aha Thanks dude, you probably don’t remember but it’s me Largo. ^-^ Hope you are doing well. Remember to be nice to yourself🫶🖤

  • @prod5head
    @prod5head ปีที่แล้ว +12

    We need an entire PRMBA podcast playlist where each episode is Finn interviewing each member of MDE, and they talk exclusively about bryan stars for an hour

  • @JohnnyMontilla
    @JohnnyMontilla ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Love Johnnie! What a great guy!

  • @daviddr115111
    @daviddr115111 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    I'm glad I was in my late teens and early 20s and experience the scene/emo days. I heard Atreyu back in 2003 and that got me into the metalcore and the post hardcore metal like haste the day and from autumn to ashes. So many fun times and interesting ppl.

  • @SecretTreeFortMusic
    @SecretTreeFortMusic ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The Emo king and the King of all Rock commentary. 🤠

  • @tylerhackner9731
    @tylerhackner9731 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    Love the emo revival

    • @PM-vv3uc
      @PM-vv3uc ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Is there really a revival? Are there some cool new bands out there? Would be great to find some new bands

    • @nickschiller1080
      @nickschiller1080 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @PM-vv3uc TX2 is trying to bring it back. He's got some catchy tunes but he's cool with this kid.

  • @angelaaltman864
    @angelaaltman864 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Love this kid! Watching the video now 🤘
    P.S. I'm 53 y/o, so I can call him a kid 😏

    • @gloomiy
      @gloomiy ปีที่แล้ว +5

      hahaha aint even a bad thing dudes young tbf

  • @theyfukenwmesubliminally
    @theyfukenwmesubliminally ปีที่แล้ว +9

    My digital escape was big when i was in highschool i remember watching those videos after school
    Crazy its been that long

    • @vvvnokk8309
      @vvvnokk8309 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same. I was in hs from 2013-2017

  • @rebekahcarter8120
    @rebekahcarter8120 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I'd never heard of Johnnie before but this is a great chat. I'll definitely be following him now.

  • @lilyderooij
    @lilyderooij ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Johnnie raised a good point- what matters more today for music? Having fans or having a hit that people will forget in months?

  • @neurospicypisces
    @neurospicypisces 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    A TH-camr ive followed for a longer than I can remember & trust & appreciate interviewing a youtuber that YT has been throwing at me lately that i know nothing about. Perfect. Thank you Finn for bringing him on cuz I was feeling like I was a bit too old to be laughing at his and his buddies antics 😂 but they remind me of me and my friends when we were younger (and can especially relate to the emoness, tho we didnt dress scene.. emo skate punks of the 2000s lol we are unseen lol)

  • @tealeaf3210
    @tealeaf3210 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Was not really part of it but love seeing people like him keeping emo alive.

  • @vvvnokk8309
    @vvvnokk8309 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Dude yes! I wasn’t expecting this interview!

  • @mattdowling955
    @mattdowling955 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I don't know who this guy is but I like him. I'm well out of his target audience but I'm still gonna check him out. Enjoyable interview Finn

  • @hishamhilal8332
    @hishamhilal8332 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I find it relatable that he is relatively young to have experienced the scene first hand but is really into it

  • @testingmyaudioaddiction3452
    @testingmyaudioaddiction3452 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Finn, you have a great way of diffusing awkward situations.

  • @KB-xx2sn
    @KB-xx2sn ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i absolutely love johnnie, i've been watching him since i was kid. Super chill dude 🖤

  • @adamhernandez3001
    @adamhernandez3001 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    My favorite Ronnie Radke beef was with Sebastian from palaye royale for filming their music videos in the same mansion😂

  • @jlwmp3
    @jlwmp3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This is so cool to watch, I watched MDE all through high school and I was a fan of Johnnie especially so thanks a bunch Finn!

  • @indigolash4650
    @indigolash4650 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is the cross over I’ve NEEDED back in middle school I was obsessed with johnnie a MDE and in highschool I found Finn and the punk rock mba and was obsessed I just started been watching Johnnie again and been wonding what Finns been up to and meaning to watch his stuff again this was a great surprise on my homepage

  • @rileyknox6147
    @rileyknox6147 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    He seems like he's got a good head on his shoulders. That world always seemed really bizarre, I think especially since they were involved in really niche yet visible popularity it did a number on a bunch of them, but he seems to be coming out well. Hope he takes the mental health/medication stuff a little more seriously though I guess we all have our journeys with that. Great interview

  • @CheCheCheree
    @CheCheCheree ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Me and Johnny are the same age and I always envied how he actually had “alt” people around him 🤣 I was in the scene from 2009 but eventually got over it in 2011 cause I felt like an outcast here in Seattle lol. Still will always love the music though

    • @caitlingill
      @caitlingill 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I thought there’s a ton of emo people in Seattle

    • @CheCheCheree
      @CheCheCheree 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@caitlingill you would think but there actually isn’t! Atleast not back in the day

  • @rodneypardue7077
    @rodneypardue7077 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Been watching Johnnie since like 2015 and I’m really enjoying his perspective on his experiences since then. Really hope he’s doing well.

    • @Just_niaxx
      @Just_niaxx 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same here and tbh I think he’s more healthy and happy

  • @WickedRed1WR
    @WickedRed1WR ปีที่แล้ว +5

    definitely not a phase for me. I had to change myself for awhile for working at a school in the IT department and hated myself. Working in a really relaxed environment now where I'm mostly from home. I still wear band shirts to work when I am in the office and paint my nails black. I'm also covered in tattoos.

  • @BurnYourFriends
    @BurnYourFriends ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I found bryanstars at 21 and then found johnnie with his a new chapter video in 2019, and been following him since then.

  • @mcondor
    @mcondor ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That was a fantastic interview. I was happy to see how lucid Johnnie was.

  • @ryanrowe1975
    @ryanrowe1975 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Johnnie Guillbert interview and looks like a young boy that is inspiring and talented to played the best band in emo genre! I am just subscribed to your second channel 💯👍🔔

  • @pattywackftw
    @pattywackftw ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Good dudes, good vibes, hope the best for you guys

  • @Messiahbolicalx
    @Messiahbolicalx ปีที่แล้ว +25

    He's not THAT much younger to have not experienced the emo/scene boom. I'm 30 and I was a hardcore emo kid in that era.

    • @Zafire94
      @Zafire94 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      yeah my sister and my friend's sisters are the same age and they all grew up with the emo bands that we did as teens as it was still going strong in the late 00's-early 10's

    • @Messiahbolicalx
      @Messiahbolicalx ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Bilal Zafar I honestly love seeing younger people still going strong with the emo phase. I look fairly different than I did as a teen, but I still paint my nails and have piercings and huge gauges and you can tell wich part of the 2000's I embraced 🤣

    • @saviorofs0ng
      @saviorofs0ng ปีที่แล้ว +8

      wasnt it an early 00s thing? hes like 5 years younger than you lol if you didnt have someone older show you that stuff or unless you were lucky enough to know how to browse the internet at that time then its highly likely you missed out (like me 😭)

    • @benamisai-kham5892
      @benamisai-kham5892 ปีที่แล้ว

      He's a year younger than me, and I got into my emo phase about 2010; it was still super alive and strong. I was huge into the early 00s emo material, but enjoyed the crunkcore emo stuff towards 2012-2013ish before I got into EDM.
      I get the idea of feeling like he missed the big wave of emo but it was still in a good spot until about 2014.

  • @wasd2413
    @wasd2413 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Even I felt like wearing a paper bag over my head just from watching this

  • @Aleenamartinez308
    @Aleenamartinez308 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love this duo

  • @pinkxex
    @pinkxex ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is a really cool collab! Johnnie you inspired me a lot when I was younger to really be myself and it’s awesome to see you still being yourself!

  • @MearaKat96
    @MearaKat96 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Super excited about this I love both of y’all!

  • @hishamhilal8332
    @hishamhilal8332 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The comeback of this is awesome

  • @uppercut613
    @uppercut613 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love how you mentioned Stephen Jerzak. He’s super underrated/forgotten these days

    • @uppercut613
      @uppercut613 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JohnnieGuilbert facts

  • @TexasVexes
    @TexasVexes ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In 07 I saw Metro station, Anberlin, and Motion City Soundtrack headlined in San Diego. Next Door Fallout Boy sold out a huge arena. Heard them playing Sugar We’re goin down as our concert let out. I was probably 13. Awesome memory. Just a bunch of little scene middle schoolers.

  • @mutavhello6654
    @mutavhello6654 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like Finn again now...great interview, I grew up in that era.

  • @RikkiReeseCup24
    @RikkiReeseCup24 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow, I’d almost forgotten about You Now! I remember watching Johnnie and DeeFizzy there, they were my favorites. I met them and Bryan Stars at the APMAs in 2015. What a time, man.

  • @Emzime83
    @Emzime83 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love Johnnie. so clever & beautiful! great interview! ❤

  • @hotchocolatekiss4078
    @hotchocolatekiss4078 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Crazy bc I looked up his biography and we have the same exact birthday year and everything! I definitely had a myspace and was too young to be on there but I had older siblings that influenced me a lot 😂

    • @benamisai-kham5892
      @benamisai-kham5892 ปีที่แล้ว

      I got one in like 2009, right before it was dying and i was 12...way too young 😂

  • @DemonBunnyQueen
    @DemonBunnyQueen ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a sweetheart! Great interview, I subbed 😊

  • @datcajunlady
    @datcajunlady ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Brian Stars is just, eugh. We try not to talk about him for reasons. 🤢
    Glad Johnnie is doing good

  • @AlienWarehouse
    @AlienWarehouse ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is amazing!

  • @xtheyan
    @xtheyan ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Just saw "Emo Revival" and I clicked 💔🖤🥀

  • @AbbieOneill1
    @AbbieOneill1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    At this upload is when my parents stopped watching this podcast and I started.

  • @sleightenchurchwell6178
    @sleightenchurchwell6178 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Im just now seeing this but im glad i found it i love johnnie💕

  • @JamesWiseMagic
    @JamesWiseMagic 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Johnny seems like such a cool dude. I remember watching AFI perform Miss Murder at the MTV music video awards in 2005 or 2006 and that was really my introduction into the alt scene.

  • @suiciiiddee
    @suiciiiddee ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro god johnnie saying he missed out on MySpace literally just changed my entire perspective on him like how I’m 27 and I was on MySpace for yearrrs before it ended like I was in like 5th - 6th grade listening too fallout boy and panic CD on my CD player and like never shout never was like so big on MySpace every girl had them on theiy myp play lists like I did even like wow bind blowing I never knew that about him

  • @evilovexvx
    @evilovexvx ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hey!! Amazing Interview! Johnnie is always so truthful and humble! You are beyond your years! Always with #afireinside ❤️‍🔥🤘🥀#Twitch #EviLivexvx #evilove

  • @JohnSmith-gf3vz
    @JohnSmith-gf3vz ปีที่แล้ว +4

    He got into it too late and likes AFI, he like me fr fr

  • @diarrheapool
    @diarrheapool ปีที่แล้ว +2

    he really is beautiful isnt he. so is finn

  • @thomasgross4134
    @thomasgross4134 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I usally feel bad when someone’s life falls apart. We’re all human. We are all met to make mistakes. Everyone’s got this idea we’re not suppose to fuck up or be perfect. If we showed more forgiveness & compassion people would be having a lot less mental issues. Or not bury shit deep down. People are miserable tho. Talking down on someone makes them feel better about their lives

  • @vin_fm2354
    @vin_fm2354 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I remember when he followed me on twitter way back in the early days

  • @sandomonium9849
    @sandomonium9849 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Autographed Fart Jar sounds like a Weird Al fronted punk band

  • @JiltedValkyrie
    @JiltedValkyrie 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Don't worry Johnnie, it still holds up at 40. I know from personal experience.

  • @afb.0708
    @afb.0708 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    JOHNNIE how are you

  • @ilovetoomanypeople
    @ilovetoomanypeople ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the interview - but like the Bernie cutout in the back. 😭💓

  • @xxjuztgetzworsexx
    @xxjuztgetzworsexx ปีที่แล้ว +6

    First
    hi Finn hi johnnie

  • @fomofreddy7306
    @fomofreddy7306 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    😂 Finn, you hilarious

  • @neurospicypisces
    @neurospicypisces 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Awww, I'm coming to realize that Johnnie is a sweet little baby and I don't feel so creepy for being a mid aged chick laughing at his and Jake's content 😂 We need to get him some acting gigs and protect this lil Zennial.

  • @kokeispanks
    @kokeispanks ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Stephen Jerzak, Chase Coy, Nevershoutnever! Listen to those GODS

    • @PaulRK77
      @PaulRK77 ปีที่แล้ว

      Chase Coy is a deep cut

    • @Heksensang
      @Heksensang ปีที่แล้ว

      If The Moon Fell Down is a certified hood classic, real trap shit!
      Also RIP Cadie Groves 💖

  • @superdupersnowflake
    @superdupersnowflake ปีที่แล้ว

    🖤🖤🖤

  • @SykeThrone
    @SykeThrone ปีที่แล้ว

    i never heard of J music?! but ive always seen him commenting and being around somehow KEEP IT UP MAN!! i think more people notice? we just dont say none? so i felt like being more thana view today c:! also finn about the diaper comment.. true shittt

  • @FlatoniaMJLProductions
    @FlatoniaMJLProductions ปีที่แล้ว

    good interview.. :)

  • @michaelsutherland18
    @michaelsutherland18 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Holy shit I forgot about Stephen jerzak, time to to down the rabbit hole

  • @antoniobarrera1983
    @antoniobarrera1983 ปีที่แล้ว

    Same I got into afi too late also their a great band

  • @gothicwoman
    @gothicwoman ปีที่แล้ว

    I love you Handsome Johnny ❤!

  • @amandamacabre
    @amandamacabre ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I feel like the alternative music scene had a unique set of circumstances that made it seem extraordinarily predatory.
    It was popular with teen girls (ripe for manipulation), rock as a genre has always had groupies, and I'm sure there were also girls lying about their age for the clout of getting with the band.
    But for the ones that were honest victims, it was a weird time where social media was budding and people felt closer to bands but you were able to call them out very publicly, which I don't think many other genres at the time or in the past were able to do. Like if you were SA'd by a musician in the 80s, what did you do, y'know? But in the 00s/10s, you posted online and found others that had been through the same and then suddenly we all knew what a creep so-and-so was.

  • @mattgallagher3185
    @mattgallagher3185 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    wow this guy is kinda awesome

  • @oryanbegay7856
    @oryanbegay7856 ปีที่แล้ว

    You got to interview Chad Gray (Mudvayne/HELLYEAH)

  • @phonyletters99
    @phonyletters99 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey you should do an interview of Ian thornley. I think he’s brilliant.

  • @SP-mf9sh
    @SP-mf9sh 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    He should change his name to ghoulbert. You both seem like nice people 👍

  • @johnlemon435
    @johnlemon435 ปีที่แล้ว

    Post malone xxxtentation and Taylor Bennett also huge inspiration is christofer drew back then until now

  • @3Torts
    @3Torts ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Imagine having Bernie in your home.

  • @xdollchelsea
    @xdollchelsea 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Interesting video i actually never about this guy

  • @MiracleTurtle
    @MiracleTurtle ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Katy perry was at warped tour the year I kissed a girl came our. Longest warped tour line I’ve seen…

  • @antonhaq3503
    @antonhaq3503 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just do not understand how the music of Blood On The Dancefloor could have got them on Warp Tour and the scene.

  • @anthonywidow3034
    @anthonywidow3034 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's not that Emo is a phase, it's the fact that bands, mostly Punk Rock hate being labeled terms they don't associate themselves with. So, it's kinda bullshit on a terminology level of music.

  • @PigglyWigglyDeluxe
    @PigglyWigglyDeluxe ปีที่แล้ว

    2:43 I’m still not entirely sure who we are talking about?

    • @rebekahcarter8120
      @rebekahcarter8120 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same!

    • @realb84ua
      @realb84ua ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I believe christofer drew from nevershoutnever

  • @emilykalatzis
    @emilykalatzis 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What’s the deal with the Never Shout Never singer?? I know his ig is all vegan food items? Green tea? What’s going on? Ed? Drgs??

  • @johnlemon435
    @johnlemon435 ปีที่แล้ว

    ChrisTofer drew MySpace king

  • @GretchenBester
    @GretchenBester 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Johnnie is so cute

  • @dqvoltheweak6689
    @dqvoltheweak6689 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm sad to announce that it was a phase. Phase 1, to be exact.

  • @TheSuperdodo7
    @TheSuperdodo7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Johnnie guilbert is amazing

  • @UriBlack
    @UriBlack ปีที่แล้ว

    Sooooo many memes with the title 🤣🤣😂🧐

  • @dougbongqueque
    @dougbongqueque 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lmao nevershoutnever slapped for a few of those old songs

  • @madhatyr
    @madhatyr ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nikki six is like 100 doesn’t he still have that hair?

  • @Gimmie_my_legoz
    @Gimmie_my_legoz ปีที่แล้ว +4

    JOHNNIE AHH

  • @asqa1337
    @asqa1337 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    you are pretty comfortable using the f-slur

    • @RidinMyGrandmasCadillac
      @RidinMyGrandmasCadillac ปีที่แล้ว

      Based

    • @katastrophicfailure99
      @katastrophicfailure99 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think you missed the point of that literally being what a guy would be called if he was alternative in any way from the 70's to the mid 2010's. Because, what could be worse than being called the f-slur? Long hair=f-slur. Earring(s)=f-slur. Eyeliner=absolute f-slur. Skinny pants=f-slur. That was literally the point he was making. In the 80's, Dire Straits used the f-slur in a song that played on the radio and on MTV, with no bleeping. That was said in the same vein as this, but now it would be bleeped out as being considered totally unacceptable finally. Fin doesn't bleeo, and I'm pretty sure that he doesn't use that word except to show how bullied alt kids, especially boys, were/are, to make a specific point. Being called the f-slur or p*ssy are the absolute worst, cuz not manly is the absolute worst. Really toxic masculinity is the worst.