Robert's anecdotes about the behind the scenes for the behind the scenes of Lord of The Rings, for me, puts this livestream firmly as canon for when I watch the movies and appendices. When I do, this livestream will follow. And my level of respect for RMB, gosh, what a cool experiance. Thank you guys so much for remembering the anniversary for the greatest trilogy of all time!
Er, SECOND greatest…unless you're talking bout the books, which you aren't. You know fine well which trilogy has been the greatest for more than double LotR's tenure. I would also like to point out that if it wasn't for the technology this trilogy (and its creator) pushed, then LotR wouldn't even exist as movies
The things Robert had experienced with lotr aren't measurable in gold. Many would have given everything just to speak with Sir Christopher Lee, absolute legend.
Many people would love to get the chance to sit down with the man himself (Tolkien) and thank him for such a great read. I would like to know his thoughts on the extended films. Speaking as outsider looking in, who hasn't read the books I am for the latter. I think Jackson and the rest of the team did a fantastic job getting an outsider's attention and retaining it for three movies.
what's really striking to me about the production of Lord of the Rings is that when you hear the behind the scenes stuff, about the attention to detail they went to on the costumes and the props and everything, is how most people assume that'll never be done again because of how expensive it must have been Then you think about the obscene special effects budget of something like the disney star wars trilogy or what they pissed away on 'The Eternals'... And i'm always left wondering which one was money better spent, and will hollywood ever learn that lesson...
CGI costs more but takes much less time in pre production. The logistics of CGI is way easier to manage too since it's just data as opposed to having to manufacture, transport and store everything involved in doing it practically. You also can't fast track the process as easily as you can with CGI when it becomes crunch time. It's not budget that's the issue, but time. If memory serves me right then the official pre production on Lord of the Rings started in early 1997, filming started in 1999 and the first film came out late 2001. Granted a lot of the work being done in that time would transfer over to the subsequent releases in 2002 and 2003 but studios have come to the conclusion that they can't adequately predict what the audience wants 4 years into the future when deciding on which projects to green light.
@@RandomCarrot2806 i'm still not sure any of that is a good reason when the end product is so demonstrably worse. Especially when the end product of studios thinking they can predict the future has given us nothing but a steady stream of forgettable crap. Disney's stuck rolling out a steady stream of movies made to cash in on 2019 twitter trends that nobody is going to remember ten years from now, let alone 20.
@@petriew2018 It's what happens when the business majors get control, everything gets streamlined because efficiency becomes the priority instead of quality. Hollywood studios handed over the keys to the accountants when the accountants should be in a supportive role to the artists.
@@RandomCarrot2806 and when movie fans get sick of the nonsense and we just say fukk off and embrace older movies only...or 99% older movies well that'll change things up for the studios.... I'm already there....though I'm not giving the industry my money anymore....I'm a pirate to the day I die! I'm not pirating indie I have standards but I don't care to go to theaters and haven't for a long time and I;'m tired of doing the right thing and still getting fukked over....when the industry barely counts physical as a sale or part of their profits who the hell cares then?? that's how muddy the industry is.... Dredd had shit marketing and made more on DVD/BRD sales yet the studio didn't count physical into the profits so anyone who bought the home release had zero effect on a sequel....so why should anyone even support such an industry?? face it people we're looking at the death of Hollywood and the studios dug their own graves....I say let's hasten their death so that a new smarter industry can rise up?? I'm not for the death of all movies, that's not my aim, I want the current system to die so a better business model can emerge and flourish again and if that's the cycle every so often the industry dies and rebirths fine....so be it lol
One scene in Return of the King that I've come to appreciate more and more over the years is towards the end when the hobbits are in the Green Dragon and they just look at eachother, and its a very brief moment, but there was just so much unsaid in those looks, and its subtle, but its a really strong moment for me in the movie.
I love that scene. What it reminds me of are military veterans or brothers in arms who have seen some shit that the average person hasn’t seen or will never experience. The Hobbits that didn’t leave the Shire can’t relate to the experiences of Frodo, Sam, Pippen and Merry who had seen evil and the carnage of battle. The Hobbits in that scene didn’t understand that everything they hold dear was really close to being taken from them. The looks they give each other is an unspoken experience they all share where words aren’t necessary to convey how they feel. Edit: That’s my take anyway.
@@toothgrinder2760 it's inspired to Pete by his dad and Kiwi returned soldiers from both world wars plus others. We have RSAs here and old cobbers met, a lot was said through silence. War is a big part of our culture so Pete understood what JRR would've felt after WW1 and deeply respect it.
The video where he breaks down the woman talking about seeing trans representation in Tolkein's works is one of the most frightening and clear examples I've seen of what the goal of the woke mob really is.
@@MrTkillian I am a bit late so not sure you will see this, but I was not aware of just some guy before watching this. If I wanted to watch his videos what are some that I should go back and check out.
What really breaks my heart is that the best content we have these days are regular people discussing 20 year old movies. Tolkien's fear of industrialization is the exact same thing ruining the art of film making. Hollywood has become an assembly line controlled by a small number of individuals. A few bright spots have slipped through the cracks in the form of comic book movies, but that is already showing the signs of the conversion over to an assembly line style of movie making. Mass production has been a blessing and curse.
This stream made me all nostalgic and I started watching LotR again and man, they really don't/can't/won't make movies like they used to. Try as they might, they can't take this from us, either.
In relation to justsomeguy's "applicability" comment: I am a tall lesbian. There are zero characters in LotR that I can directly relate to. And yet, it's still one of the only film series that I feel like I relate to. All of the characters have their strengths and weaknesses, but the Fellowship still does their absolute best to consistently do the right thing. They're flawed, diverse people, whom just want to do the right thing. That says everything about what's wrong with modern storytelling: modern characters are insufferable and self-serving, yet perfectly skilled somehow I don't think that modern Hollywood has an understanding of "character" beyond the colour of one's skin, their sex, or their sexuality…
RMB brought it, as always. After finishing this stream for the second time I spent an hour listening to Christopher Lee interviews. The fact that so many hours of raw interview footage is allowed to rot away unseen and unappreciated in a vault RIGHT NOW is an unspeakable crime against humanity.
Watching this after Rings of Power came out it's incredible how accurate the predictions from the guys were: "I'll bet Sauron will be an incel" fuckin slayed me
I made my Japanese who had never heard of LOTR watch the trilogy and she was absolutely astounded and moved to tears. Incredible how it could cross cultural barriers like that
Tall ships and tall kings Three times three What brought they from the foundered land Over the flowing sea? Seven stars and seven stones And one white tree. Cheers.
@@Markunator he's been on some shows on other channels where I personally found him rather grating, annoying, and a little antagonistic. It was more personality related, but definitely got to see him in a different light and appreciated what he had to say.
@@Slo-Mode I totally get what you mean. I'm more pro-JustSomeGuy than anti-, but I liked his contributions in this stream. Usually he seems more out to make jokes than get into in-depth analysis. which is fine, jokes are fun. But it was interesting see him talk almost reverently about LOTR. Much more restrained and insightful, less quippy and silly.
You couldn't make something like LOTR in Hollyweird today. The studios would force them to inject some PC or woke garbage, or you'd get a Rey character that gets forced into it.
@@iratepirate648 A) Star Wars is way older so the example isn't even relevant to my statement, and, B) LotR is better in every way so Star Wars is sure as hell surpassed now lol
I used to be able to do a kick ass impression of Christopher Lee when I was a pack-a-day smoker. Had to give that up, and my vocal chords tightened back up.
Haven’t seen these in years stopped this podcast about halfway through and just watched all 3 back to back Thanks guys they really are the greatest trilogy ever created.
This video was great to revisit. For some reason, I like to watch, and read, LOTR around this time of year, and my fantasy geekiness comes out. Everyone on this panel really knows quality film, and their insight is excellent. RMB's presence was invaluable to this panel, as a creator, and JustSomeGuy's experience with Fellowship of the Ring in the cinema effectively destroys the argument for token representation in films.
Wow, that was awesome. Five hours of folks talking about my favorite thing ever. This really made my day. The only thing that coulda possibly made it better was if Az had been able to make it.
If I had to choose, I’d choose Fellowship as my favorite. For my money, it most captured the tone and feel of the books, which were largely about going to strange new places, meeting wonderful and fantastic people, seeing and enjoying the goodness in the world that is threatened by this evil menace.
They aren't making movies like this anymore because the overarching goal of Hollywood, Silicon Valley, etc. is to reduce people into categories reverting them to tribes. It's easier to control and sell to a population where Identity is based on tangible aspects you can gather just by looking at someone and it's easy to pit them against each other when they're obsessed with their race, gender, or whatever other things they didn't choose or can't control. Movies like Lord of the Rings are masterworks because their core struggle involves characters rising ABOVE any and all of their physical traits and characteristics. That doesn't gel at all with what the "higher ups" want your average person to see in themselves.
It's kind of funny to think that Star Wars, Wheel of Time, Doctor Who, and soon Lord of the Rings, were all ruined just so Hollywood could sell more action figures. These people really don't have a clue, do they?
Rewatched the trilogy last week. Always nice to revisit it, especially during the holidays. The themes resonate even in this day & age which shows how timeless it is.
Loved this video. Great insights and love for my favorite trilogy. Grow up loving Star Wars but once LOTR come out. I was blown away and want all in into the books. Still read the books and watched the movies more then I can count. Some notes. 1. Thank God the movies were made when they were. I would hate to see what they be like if they were made now. 2. Robert and Just some Guy nailed their points. Also enjoyed Roberts stories and insights. 3. Any though the movies changed several things. I think most of them work. A few things still bother me about the movies but its a amazing feet they achieved what they achieved. 4. Would've be interested to hear what characters they wish were added or what characters they wish were done better. My vote is Faramir. Book version is great. movie version really doesn't get much.
Love the movies, but Denethor is an embarrassingly bad adaptation; the Shakespearean interchanges between him and Gandalf reduced to hamfisted overacting and cartoon villain delivery.
I liked the discussion a lot. One thing I want to add to the whole role of Elves thing is that when reading all the other material of the Legendarium, it becomes quite apparent that Elves and Men are not so different at all. Both are corruptible, with some of the evilest things ever being done by elves in the first age. It was not uncommon for Elves to kill Elves out of selfish reasons. Sometimes in big numbers. Eol or Feanor are good examples of that kind of stuff. Elves just had the luck of (mostly) being under the protection of the godly spirits of Middle Earth and sheltered in the Undying Lands, making them wise and knowledgable (mostly). Men on the other hand were kinda fucked from day one, with nobody taking care of them. It is no wonder it is them who sometimes end up allied with the evil powers. For one, those evil powers hate Elves anyway, so those are out by default, and two, they are the ultimate opportunists. They will ally with anyone if they think it will give them more security or a better chance of survival. This might be the only real difference between Elves and Men. Morgoth's rumour (which makes Feanor abandon the Undying Lands and come to Middle Earth in a quest of conquest and jumpstart the entire Silmarillion Story) that the Valar (the godly spirits) keep the Elves in the Undying Lands because ruling over Middle Earth using "weak-minded Men" is easy is directly called out and demonstrated later as a lie. Elves mostly stay loyal to their lords and oaths unless their minds are broken by torture and threats, but throughout the Legendarium, Sauron, Morgoth and even the Elves have a hard time making Men do what they are told. Also, the only reason why only the good and wise Elves show up in Lord of the Rings is that everyone else has been killed. So go figure.
I'm so glad I lived through this event, this was indeed my star wars, for 3 years my life was LOTR, I remember feeling a overwhelming depression when I walked out of the theater after watching the last film, as it was over.
the original got 42k views, this has 8k views, 50 thousand people stopped by to remember their favorite story get loved on by some of their favorite tubers. This is the Fellowship, this is Fandom.
The movies themselves are masterpieces and everyone involved did a fantastic job immersing us in the world of Middle Earth. I don't think we'll ever get movies like this again. The entertainment industry needs to rise like a Phoenix from the creatively dead husk of Hollywood and get back to the escapism that took us away from politics and 'the message', not shove our faces in it.
Guys! My sister and I went and saw Peter Jackson in the state theatre in Sydney where he was interviewed for over 2 hours by David Stratton, in a setting with two large lounge chairs. It was one of the most sensational things I have ever done in my life, it was fantastic. Jackson divulged a massive amount of information re the films. Saturday 12th of March, 2005, “Powerhouse Museum presents An Evening with Peter Jackson”. State theatre, Sydney, NSW, Australia. Look it up, it was truely one of the most moving evening of my life.
About a year or so after the release the longer versions had a limited run in London’s west end and I recall spending a VERY long Saturday watching at the the Odeon Leicester Square,,,barely anyone there but so worth it to see the extended version on the big screen !
RMB learning that his segment on digital color grading actually inspired some people is the peak wholesome moment of the stream. I can't imagine how elated Robert must have felt. To hear something like that on the 20th anniversary of such an amazing project.
Merry and Pippin with the Ents...it's amazing that the different bands of three seem to make up such special yet different relationship bonds, and then a whole new set in the fours. It's an unequaled achievement. Sam/Gollum/ FRODO. Aragorn/Legolas/ Gimli Bormir/ Gandalf/ Aragorn
Incredible stream, Gary! I'm indifferent to LotR and I just wanted some geek video on in the background while I was working on something else. But when RMB's started with his Chris Lee anectodes, I stopped what I was doing and listened to this stream with all of my attention. A fantastic way to spend 5 hours!
I started dabbling in 3d modeling and rendering around the time these films came out. All you ever saw were blond, nordic elf themed 3d renders. The elf hair, ears, costumes and Middle Earth influenced sets were all the rage. It certainly influenced fantasy art for a while in the early 2000s.
LotR is the greatest trilogy ever made. I was always into fantasy as a kid, but had no knowledge of Middle Earth (outside of The Hobbit) before seeing them. I was 14 when FotR released, and have been a Tolkien fan since. Side note; who else would love remasters/remakes of the TT and RotK ps2 games?
I have to say that was one of the most enjoyable conversation on this channel - I see real passion for this excellent film! But, yes I'm in shock that Fellowship is already 20th years old... I was already 18 years old when it come out, so for me LOTR films - especially" Fellowship" will always be synonymous with transition into adulthood. I have great nostalgia for this film but I also - first time in my life - feel kind of old...not like Garry old, but still. I hope that you have similar conversation about other LOTR movies. And I wish you all Merry Christmas!!!
Speaking of the props, i was lucky enough to catch the travelling show displaying many of the costumes and props and weapons at the Casa Loma castle in Toronto…was truly amazing 😀👍👍
I live in Wellington, and for a while I used to drive past Helms Deep every morning on my way to work because you could see part of it from the motorway 🤣🤣🤣
Sure they wokified the prequel series that came out a few years ago. Elevated the female Gelflings (who can fly) and trod on the “mud grubbing males” (who can't) within the first 5mins of ep 1. Turned that sh*t off tout de suite, I can tell you.
A big part of the feels when Gandalf "shows the full city" (Dwarrowdelf, Moria) is Shore's soundtrack swelling at that moment. It's simply magnificent!
My most enduring memory of Fellowship is of feeling disappointment and mild outrage in the cinema when the movie suddenly ended and I thought: "NO! They can't end it there! Now I've got to wait a whole YEAR before I can see what happens next!"
On the look and feel of the film, there were 3 influences, which Peter Jackson embraced - Tolkien's original artwork ( and the influences of the languages he created) plus Alan Lee and Jon Howe - both of whom had long ago bought the story to life over many years. IMO it is what made the film so immersive.
You are all amazing - this stream is freaking astonishing. Real analysis from real fans is priceless. And like so many others, I need to go binge watch the extended editions and re-read the books again. Thanks so much for this!
LOL that Cinematic Venom superchat was Mauler lore. Cinematic Venom hates both movies and books, and EFAP crew tore him a new asshole on one of episodes.
EFAP #95. I watched the whole damn thing, took 3 days to recover from the headache, and then started watching it with my wife. Damn thing broke her brain too.
That thumbnail is awesome! Looks like the drinkers getting bummed 😆 if I was one of you I would put that on my wall. Just watched the extended version, never gets old. Also so much better after reading the Silmarillion.
Rewatching the extended editions AND, even more essentially, ALL the appendices is a yearly ritual for me. And it never gets old! So, thank you for that Mr. Burnett!
I know I'm late to the party with this video but just wanted to say I love these films, i haven't seen anything like them since they came out. I also loved this video, very interesting chat and it's also good to hear other fans talk about things your a fan of. Thank you.
Only just saw this stream. My God this is full of superb insight..as good as anything you could imagine coming from the actual cast and crew. I'm blown away by you all. I'm disgusted this anniversary has passed without reverence for this industry defining collection of films. I noticed nothing. In fact the Harry Potter 20th anniversary got more media attention than TFOTR.
Fellowship Extended Edition has a worse introduction to Hobbiton, Bilbo looking for his ring introduces the darkness of the ring too early. In the Theater version it's only Frodo meeting Gandalf and we don't see Bilbo until Gandalf knocks on the door. "One of the Halflings carry something of great value. Bring them to me alive, and unspoiled. Kill the others! " The two best villains in the trilogy having a conversation.
Went to the first showing, 11am on a Thursday morning. Cinema was packed. For 3 hours, no one moved, went to the toilet, used their phone, talked, or chomped food. Everybody sat absolutely entranced from beginning to end. Best ever cinema experience.
Very interesting discussion and loved all the guests. The only thing I would like to push back on would be when justsomeguy said HP Lovecraft was bad that even the Nazis would have told him to tone it down. I think the Nazis wanted him to "tone it down" after Lovecraft married a jew and called the Nazis "dumb bookburners"
You want to push back against a joke? Mokay, if you want... As for Lovecraft, he was an ambivalent and fascinating man. His antisemitism was well known. And yet he married a jew. He was obviously attracted to the intelligence of his wife. But he still demanded odd things to her like to not invite too much jews if they made a party. Also, this marriage only lasted two years. So I don't even know if you could call a quasi sexless marriage of two years a real marriage. I think Lovecraft truly hated humanity and at the same time admired and loved people as individuals. He was also friend with other jews, he was friend with an homosexual man... some people think that Lovecraft was a repressed homosexual, but I think he just didn't realy like sex, wich fits his views on humanity. Oh, and of course, his views on africans. So yeah. He indeed married a jew, for two years. He was still antisemit. People can be like that sometimes. Complex.
Thank you! Many things I didn't know. Makes me appreciate the trilogy even more than I did before. The stories about the cast were especially touching. Big laugh earned the PJ "stalker" in the kitchen story. Did not feel like 5h.
Great stream! It is the greatest trilogy, which reminds me to watch the whole +9h trilogy on the holidays back to back. You did more for the Lord of The Rings and the movies than actual marketing departments of these studios. Reminds me you all aspiring film makers, take your influences from couple of things Darksouls/Bloodborne and 40k , but dont make fanfic make your own but "gritty&dark" sells and if you guys are really seriously Unreal engine can do great stuff and its not that hard to learn.
With a book, you have much more space to put forth different concepts for the reader to identify and think about. With a movie, everything you show needs to be directly purposeful to the story and theme.
Bit on a late Notice Gary. On this very day you aired this Podcast a local Cinema in my Area did actually feature the LotR Extended Trilogy for the 20th Anniversary. Sadly due to work commitments i couldn't go. I did however watch the Trilogy when I got back. Fun Times. Thank you for this Podcast.
Robert's anecdotes about the behind the scenes for the behind the scenes of Lord of The Rings, for me, puts this livestream firmly as canon for when I watch the movies and appendices. When I do, this livestream will follow.
And my level of respect for RMB, gosh, what a cool experiance.
Thank you guys so much for remembering the anniversary for the greatest trilogy of all time!
Er, SECOND greatest…unless you're talking bout the books, which you aren't. You know fine well which trilogy has been the greatest for more than double LotR's tenure. I would also like to point out that if it wasn't for the technology this trilogy (and its creator) pushed, then LotR wouldn't even exist as movies
@@iratepirate648 you mean Star Battles? That's pretty good too ;)
@@lore_shards Is that the one with the Shark T*ts Eulogise?
Well said brother we will always have this trilogy and tht is a comforting thought.
The things Robert had experienced with lotr aren't measurable in gold. Many would have given everything just to speak with Sir Christopher Lee, absolute legend.
When he talked about how he got that autograph from him i kind of teared up.
@@alex9x9 It is just so much joy listening to Robert, just nice having some positivity during the day.
Many people would love to get the chance to sit down with the man himself (Tolkien) and thank him for such a great read. I would like to know his thoughts on the extended films. Speaking as outsider looking in, who hasn't read the books I am for the latter. I think Jackson and the rest of the team did a fantastic job getting an outsider's attention and retaining it for three movies.
I love this stream. I’ve watched it several times because it is the epitome of fandom. They LOVE this movie and it shows.
what's really striking to me about the production of Lord of the Rings is that when you hear the behind the scenes stuff, about the attention to detail they went to on the costumes and the props and everything, is how most people assume that'll never be done again because of how expensive it must have been
Then you think about the obscene special effects budget of something like the disney star wars trilogy or what they pissed away on 'The Eternals'...
And i'm always left wondering which one was money better spent, and will hollywood ever learn that lesson...
@Elias Lionheart LMFAO!!!!
[leaves room and laughing can still be heard well outside the building]
CGI costs more but takes much less time in pre production. The logistics of CGI is way easier to manage too since it's just data as opposed to having to manufacture, transport and store everything involved in doing it practically. You also can't fast track the process as easily as you can with CGI when it becomes crunch time.
It's not budget that's the issue, but time. If memory serves me right then the official pre production on Lord of the Rings started in early 1997, filming started in 1999 and the first film came out late 2001. Granted a lot of the work being done in that time would transfer over to the subsequent releases in 2002 and 2003 but studios have come to the conclusion that they can't adequately predict what the audience wants 4 years into the future when deciding on which projects to green light.
@@RandomCarrot2806 i'm still not sure any of that is a good reason when the end product is so demonstrably worse. Especially when the end product of studios thinking they can predict the future has given us nothing but a steady stream of forgettable crap. Disney's stuck rolling out a steady stream of movies made to cash in on 2019 twitter trends that nobody is going to remember ten years from now, let alone 20.
@@petriew2018 It's what happens when the business majors get control, everything gets streamlined because efficiency becomes the priority instead of quality.
Hollywood studios handed over the keys to the accountants when the accountants should be in a supportive role to the artists.
@@RandomCarrot2806 and when movie fans get sick of the nonsense and we just say fukk off and embrace older movies only...or 99% older movies well that'll change things up for the studios....
I'm already there....though I'm not giving the industry my money anymore....I'm a pirate to the day I die! I'm not pirating indie I have standards but I don't care to go to theaters and haven't for a long time and I;'m tired of doing the right thing and still getting fukked over....when the industry barely counts physical as a sale or part of their profits who the hell cares then?? that's how muddy the industry is....
Dredd had shit marketing and made more on DVD/BRD sales yet the studio didn't count physical into the profits so anyone who bought the home release had zero effect on a sequel....so why should anyone even support such an industry??
face it people we're looking at the death of Hollywood and the studios dug their own graves....I say let's hasten their death so that a new smarter industry can rise up??
I'm not for the death of all movies, that's not my aim, I want the current system to die so a better business model can emerge and flourish again and if that's the cycle every so often the industry dies and rebirths fine....so be it lol
One scene in Return of the King that I've come to appreciate more and more over the years is towards the end when the hobbits are in the Green Dragon and they just look at eachother, and its a very brief moment, but there was just so much unsaid in those looks, and its subtle, but its a really strong moment for me in the movie.
I love that scene. What it reminds me of are military veterans or brothers in arms who have seen some shit that the average person hasn’t seen or will never experience. The Hobbits that didn’t leave the Shire can’t relate to the experiences of Frodo, Sam, Pippen and Merry who had seen evil and the carnage of battle.
The Hobbits in that scene didn’t understand that everything they hold dear was really close to being taken from them. The looks they give each other is an unspoken experience they all share where words aren’t necessary to convey how they feel.
Edit: That’s my take anyway.
@@toothgrinder2760 it's inspired to Pete by his dad and Kiwi returned soldiers from both world wars plus others.
We have RSAs here and old cobbers met, a lot was said through silence.
War is a big part of our culture so Pete understood what JRR would've felt after WW1 and deeply respect it.
They can never go back. They are forever changed. Much like the soldiers returning from the horrors of war in our world.
@@toothgrinder2760 I want that scene as a painting, as a veteran, it means so much.
“Frodo Blackins” 😂🤣
JustSomeGuy is brilliant!
Wish I had more time to watch his vids because his humor is great.
The video where he breaks down the woman talking about seeing trans representation in Tolkein's works is one of the most frightening and clear examples I've seen of what the goal of the woke mob really is.
@@MrTkillian I am a bit late so not sure you will see this, but I was not aware of just some guy before watching this. If I wanted to watch his videos what are some that I should go back and check out.
Was before or after Nick rip him a new one?
@@dean_l33 Before. I’ve lost all respect for JustSomeCuck after his most recent takes. I’ve unsubbed and totally forgot I posted this comment! 😂
LOTR is hands down the greatest cinematic masterpiece in history
It is a *masterclass* in entertainment
As a trilogy, I'd agree.. For individual films, Citizen Kane is still Citizen Kane
@@a.r.t93 yeah, I mean all three as a single entity ❤
@@dr.juerdotitsgo5119 LOL... .. . I WATCHED A LOT OF THAT STUFF, EVEN THOUGH IT'S PRETTY GOOD, SAYING IT BLOWS LOTR OUT OF THE WATER LOL... .. .
@@dr.juerdotitsgo5119 I was raised on those films. Not even close. It's not even fair. Whole different kettle of fish.
@@dr.juerdotitsgo5119 you're partially right non of them will "easily blows LOTR out of the water" coz LOTR is right there with them!
What really breaks my heart is that the best content we have these days are regular people discussing 20 year old movies.
Tolkien's fear of industrialization is the exact same thing ruining the art of film making. Hollywood has become an assembly line controlled by a small number of individuals. A few bright spots have slipped through the cracks in the form of comic book movies, but that is already showing the signs of the conversion over to an assembly line style of movie making.
Mass production has been a blessing and curse.
No kidding. My family watches these movies every year. There is nothing else made in recent years that I would consider for a yearly watch.
This stream made me all nostalgic and I started watching LotR again and man, they really don't/can't/won't make movies like they used to.
Try as they might, they can't take this from us, either.
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In relation to justsomeguy's "applicability" comment: I am a tall lesbian. There are zero characters in LotR that I can directly relate to. And yet, it's still one of the only film series that I feel like I relate to. All of the characters have their strengths and weaknesses, but the Fellowship still does their absolute best to consistently do the right thing. They're flawed, diverse people, whom just want to do the right thing. That says everything about what's wrong with modern storytelling: modern characters are insufferable and self-serving, yet perfectly skilled somehow
I don't think that modern Hollywood has an understanding of "character" beyond the colour of one's skin, their sex, or their sexuality…
RMB brought it, as always. After finishing this stream for the second time I spent an hour listening to Christopher Lee interviews. The fact that so many hours of raw interview footage is allowed to rot away unseen and unappreciated in a vault RIGHT NOW is an unspeakable crime against humanity.
Gary, this episode was an absolute treasure, I have already recommended this to my LOTR fan friends. Well done to you and the guys for putting it on
Fellowship is amazing. My brothers and I used to put it on and fall asleep to it for years after it came out. Great memories.
If this isn't one of Nerdrotic's greatest streams ever, then I'm not a Dwarf in a Hobbit's body!
A fellow bag 👋
Watching this after Rings of Power came out it's incredible how accurate the predictions from the guys were: "I'll bet Sauron will be an incel" fuckin slayed me
Thank you for this stream Gary. It was awesome! Great tumbnail too :-)
I made my Japanese who had never heard of LOTR watch the trilogy and she was absolutely astounded and moved to tears. Incredible how it could cross cultural barriers like that
Human condition is universal.
Tall ships and tall kings
Three times three
What brought they from the foundered land
Over the flowing sea?
Seven stars and seven stones
And one white tree.
Cheers.
I'm really not a JustSomeGuy fan but he was super on point and added a lot to this discussion so thank you for bringing him on
The opening song on his videos is a banger too. Highly recommend!
Why not? He’s not any different from any of these guys.
@@Markunator he's been on some shows on other channels where I personally found him rather grating, annoying, and a little antagonistic. It was more personality related, but definitely got to see him in a different light and appreciated what he had to say.
@@Slo-Mode I totally get what you mean. I'm more pro-JustSomeGuy than anti-, but I liked his contributions in this stream. Usually he seems more out to make jokes than get into in-depth analysis. which is fine, jokes are fun. But it was interesting see him talk almost reverently about LOTR. Much more restrained and insightful, less quippy and silly.
@@DrewTheDuke it definitely was refreshing to see this other side of him. Makes me want to give his other stuff a try too
An all star cast discussing an all time great. Crazy to me that LotR is still unsurpassed after twenty bloody years. Long live the Fellowship!
Hail to that.
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What exactly do you mean by “unsurpassed” because the Star Wars OT is unsurpassed after 45+ years.
You couldn't make something like LOTR in Hollyweird today. The studios would force them to inject some PC or woke garbage, or you'd get a Rey character that gets forced into it.
@@iratepirate648 A) Star Wars is way older so the example isn't even relevant to my statement, and, B) LotR is better in every way so Star Wars is sure as hell surpassed now lol
Well said sir… that says it all
Man, I saw all the three movies in a row earlier this year with a friend. The extended editions too. Such an amazing day!
This is a fantastic panel.
Just Some Guy is a treasure in this! So great to have him on!
The point about HP Lovecraft is one that Stephen Fry made long ago (paraphrasing): Wagner was an asshole, but his music is great.
This group of creators is really making some fantastic content, really glad I found them.
Thank you Robert! Glad someone else remembers JRD was Pushkin in Living Daylights. He’s part of 3 major franchises. Indy, Bond and Rings
Christopher Lee has a voice that I can only describe as creamy. It is like the sweetest nectar to my ears
You sure you don't mean gilbert gottfried
I used to be able to do a kick ass impression of Christopher Lee when I was a pack-a-day smoker. Had to give that up, and my vocal chords tightened back up.
That's because it's the voice of Saruman you fool, cover your ears!
Haven’t seen these in years stopped this podcast about halfway through and just watched all 3 back to back
Thanks guys they really are the greatest trilogy ever created.
This video was great to revisit. For some reason, I like to watch, and read, LOTR around this time of year, and my fantasy geekiness comes out. Everyone on this panel really knows quality film, and their insight is excellent. RMB's presence was invaluable to this panel, as a creator, and JustSomeGuy's experience with Fellowship of the Ring in the cinema effectively destroys the argument for token representation in films.
One chat to rule them all- a magnificent discussion on the greatest age story telling
Wow, that was awesome. Five hours of folks talking about my favorite thing ever. This really made my day.
The only thing that coulda possibly made it better was if Az had been able to make it.
If I had to choose, I’d choose Fellowship as my favorite. For my money, it most captured the tone and feel of the books, which were largely about going to strange new places, meeting wonderful and fantastic people, seeing and enjoying the goodness in the world that is threatened by this evil menace.
...and Elijah Wood did a fantastic job as Frodo, haunting blue smurf-anus-eyes and all
“If you want him! Come and claim him!” -Arwen was badass and alittle bit of Romance helped create a true well rounded emotional experience
That scene with the black riders closing in on her in the scrub, before they break out onto the plain still gets the blood up.
Amazing stream, I could listen all day to RMBs anecdotes
They aren't making movies like this anymore because the overarching goal of Hollywood, Silicon Valley, etc. is to reduce people into categories reverting them to tribes. It's easier to control and sell to a population where Identity is based on tangible aspects you can gather just by looking at someone and it's easy to pit them against each other when they're obsessed with their race, gender, or whatever other things they didn't choose or can't control. Movies like Lord of the Rings are masterworks because their core struggle involves characters rising ABOVE any and all of their physical traits and characteristics. That doesn't gel at all with what the "higher ups" want your average person to see in themselves.
It's kind of funny to think that Star Wars, Wheel of Time, Doctor Who, and soon Lord of the Rings, were all ruined just so Hollywood could sell more action figures. These people really don't have a clue, do they?
Rewatched the trilogy last week. Always nice to revisit it, especially during the holidays. The themes resonate even in this day & age which shows how timeless it is.
Loved this video. Great insights and love for my favorite trilogy. Grow up loving Star Wars but once LOTR come out. I was blown away and want all in into the books. Still read the books and watched the movies more then I can count.
Some notes.
1. Thank God the movies were made when they were. I would hate to see what they be like if they were made now.
2. Robert and Just some Guy nailed their points. Also enjoyed Roberts stories and insights.
3. Any though the movies changed several things. I think most of them work. A few things still bother me about the movies but its a amazing feet they achieved what they achieved.
4. Would've be interested to hear what characters they wish were added or what characters they wish were done better. My vote is Faramir. Book version is great. movie version really doesn't get much.
Love the movies, but Denethor is an embarrassingly bad adaptation; the Shakespearean interchanges between him and Gandalf reduced to hamfisted overacting and cartoon villain delivery.
Finally finished this, absolutely loved it. Can't wait for the Two Towers discussion.
I liked the discussion a lot. One thing I want to add to the whole role of Elves thing is that when reading all the other material of the Legendarium, it becomes quite apparent that Elves and Men are not so different at all. Both are corruptible, with some of the evilest things ever being done by elves in the first age. It was not uncommon for Elves to kill Elves out of selfish reasons. Sometimes in big numbers. Eol or Feanor are good examples of that kind of stuff. Elves just had the luck of (mostly) being under the protection of the godly spirits of Middle Earth and sheltered in the Undying Lands, making them wise and knowledgable (mostly).
Men on the other hand were kinda fucked from day one, with nobody taking care of them. It is no wonder it is them who sometimes end up allied with the evil powers. For one, those evil powers hate Elves anyway, so those are out by default, and two, they are the ultimate opportunists. They will ally with anyone if they think it will give them more security or a better chance of survival. This might be the only real difference between Elves and Men.
Morgoth's rumour (which makes Feanor abandon the Undying Lands and come to Middle Earth in a quest of conquest and jumpstart the entire Silmarillion Story) that the Valar (the godly spirits) keep the Elves in the Undying Lands because ruling over Middle Earth using "weak-minded Men" is easy is directly called out and demonstrated later as a lie. Elves mostly stay loyal to their lords and oaths unless their minds are broken by torture and threats, but throughout the Legendarium, Sauron, Morgoth and even the Elves have a hard time making Men do what they are told.
Also, the only reason why only the good and wise Elves show up in Lord of the Rings is that everyone else has been killed. So go figure.
I'm so glad I lived through this event, this was indeed my star wars, for 3 years my life was LOTR, I remember feeling a overwhelming depression when I walked out of the theater after watching the last film, as it was over.
I will definitely be having a LotR day over Christmas! Set the sound system for that moment in Helm's Deep, grab snacks and just enjoy over a day!
Drinker looks extra pretty as Frodo. Stunning AND brave!!
This was one of the greatest streams the channel has ever seen.
All hail to the fucking FELLOWSHIP!
On the 19. of april I'll be watching The Fellowship of the Ring in concert live to film. Stoked af.
the original got 42k views, this has 8k views, 50 thousand people stopped by to remember their favorite story get loved on by some of their favorite tubers. This is the Fellowship, this is Fandom.
The movies themselves are masterpieces and everyone involved did a fantastic job immersing us in the world of Middle Earth.
I don't think we'll ever get movies like this again. The entertainment industry needs to rise like a Phoenix from the creatively dead husk of Hollywood and get back to the escapism that took us away from politics and 'the message', not shove our faces in it.
ok moron
This was fantastic!!! I enjoyed every minute! Maybe we should start csmpaigning for a 25th Anniversary screeing & celebration.🎉
Guys! My sister and I went and saw Peter Jackson in the state theatre in Sydney where he was interviewed for over 2 hours by David Stratton, in a setting with two large lounge chairs. It was one of the most sensational things I have ever done in my life, it was fantastic. Jackson divulged a massive amount of information re the films. Saturday 12th of March, 2005, “Powerhouse Museum presents An Evening with Peter Jackson”. State theatre, Sydney, NSW, Australia. Look it up, it was truely one of the most moving evening of my life.
FYI, Christopher Lee mentions this whole story about Bob Shaye in one of his interview segments. FotR special features, I think.
oh shit lol the drinker is in a BONE CHILLING CELESTIAL MOOD OF EPIC PROPORTIONS :D
About a year or so after the release the longer versions had a limited run in London’s west end and I recall spending a VERY long Saturday watching at the the Odeon Leicester Square,,,barely anyone there but so worth it to see the extended version on the big screen !
RMB learning that his segment on digital color grading actually inspired some people is the peak wholesome moment of the stream. I can't imagine how elated Robert must have felt. To hear something like that on the 20th anniversary of such an amazing project.
The 10 years MCU spent and concluded with Endgames can’t come close to LOTR trilogy.
Because we didn't need movies to tell us Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli and Boromir's backstory.
An amazing round table discussion for an amazing trilogy! Thank you everyone!
Merry and Pippin with the Ents...it's amazing that the different bands of three seem to make up such special yet different relationship bonds, and then a whole new set in the fours. It's an unequaled achievement. Sam/Gollum/ FRODO.
Aragorn/Legolas/ Gimli
Bormir/ Gandalf/ Aragorn
Love this! Sorry i missed it live. This conversation could have went one for twice the amount of time and i would still love every minute.
Incredible stream, Gary! I'm indifferent to LotR and I just wanted some geek video on in the background while I was working on something else. But when RMB's started with his Chris Lee anectodes, I stopped what I was doing and listened to this stream with all of my attention. A fantastic way to spend 5 hours!
Amazing stream gentlemen! You all got me excited for LotR again. Gonna listen to the BBC adaption and watch the movies again around Christmas!
RMB I watched those appendices about 200 times, so much amazing information
I’m watching Fellowship again and only just noticed( after quite a few viewings )Gandalf keeps his pipe in the end of his staff!!!!! 👀👀👀
This stream was an absolute joy, it made me fall in love with the films all over again! Thank you all for doing this!
I started dabbling in 3d modeling and rendering around the time these films came out. All you ever saw were blond, nordic elf themed 3d renders. The elf hair, ears, costumes and Middle Earth influenced sets were all the rage. It certainly influenced fantasy art for a while in the early 2000s.
LotR is the greatest trilogy ever made. I was always into fantasy as a kid, but had no knowledge of Middle Earth (outside of The Hobbit) before seeing them. I was 14 when FotR released, and have been a Tolkien fan since.
Side note; who else would love remasters/remakes of the TT and RotK ps2 games?
I have to say that was one of the most enjoyable conversation on this channel - I see real passion for this excellent film! But, yes I'm in shock that Fellowship is already 20th years old... I was already 18 years old when it come out, so for me LOTR films - especially" Fellowship" will always be synonymous with transition into adulthood. I have great nostalgia for this film but I also - first time in my life - feel kind of old...not like Garry old, but still. I hope that you have similar conversation about other LOTR movies.
And I wish you all Merry Christmas!!!
After this movie every god damn counter strike nerd called themselves LEGOLASSIE. "What do your wallhack eyes see?"
Just finished the whole video, what a great conversation!
Thank You for such a deep meeting of the minds discussing these ideas!
Speaking of the props, i was lucky enough to catch the travelling show displaying many of the costumes and props and weapons at the Casa Loma castle in Toronto…was truly amazing 😀👍👍
I live in Wellington, and for a while I used to drive past Helms Deep every morning on my way to work because you could see part of it from the motorway 🤣🤣🤣
It's great to see Robert with you guys more. I always felt he was more like us fans than those who shill.
Great stream, please do more of these where you cover books or series of books. Very entertaining and appreciate your take.
Dark Crystal is a movie with no humans, The sjws will still find a way to call it racist.
Sure they wokified the prequel series that came out a few years ago. Elevated the female Gelflings (who can fly) and trod on the “mud grubbing males” (who can't) within the first 5mins of ep 1. Turned that sh*t off tout de suite, I can tell you.
They would want black and asian Gelflings.
The only thing better than watching lord of the rings is talking to people who love lord of the rings. Thanks guys.
They love the movies, not the books
What a fantastic conversation. Uniquely in depth and interesting. Everything that the mainstream is lacking
A big part of the feels when Gandalf "shows the full city" (Dwarrowdelf, Moria) is Shore's soundtrack swelling at that moment. It's simply magnificent!
Nice of you to help out the little guy Gary.. I’m glad drunkler got to be on with you guys!
Critical Drunkard!
My most enduring memory of Fellowship is of feeling disappointment and mild outrage in the cinema when the movie suddenly ended and I thought: "NO! They can't end it there! Now I've got to wait a whole YEAR before I can see what happens next!"
On the look and feel of the film, there were 3 influences, which Peter Jackson embraced - Tolkien's original artwork ( and the influences of the languages he created) plus Alan Lee and Jon Howe - both of whom had long ago bought the story to life over many years. IMO it is what made the film so immersive.
one of the best convos i've heard. so much insight!
Fellowship of the Ring is in my top 3 films
Gladiator, Fellowship & last of the mohicans in no particular order
You are all amazing - this stream is freaking astonishing. Real analysis from real fans is priceless. And like so many others, I need to go binge watch the extended editions and re-read the books again. Thanks so much for this!
LOL that Cinematic Venom superchat was Mauler lore. Cinematic Venom hates both movies and books, and EFAP crew tore him a new asshole on one of episodes.
EFAP #95. I watched the whole damn thing, took 3 days to recover from the headache, and then started watching it with my wife. Damn thing broke her brain too.
@@Keegan_Kael it sounds to me that Frodo is gay
@@TheUltimateBastich FOR NO REASON!!!!
"NO ONE TOSSES A DWARF!!!!.." 😂👍
Me: "How is this 5 hours plus?"
Gary: "Hi Mauler"
Me: "Ahhh"
Can't believe it was 20 years ago already .
Thank you Nerdrotic for what you said about Polanski. Some things you can’t look past.
That thumbnail is awesome! Looks like the drinkers getting bummed 😆 if I was one of you I would put that on my wall. Just watched the extended version, never gets old. Also so much better after reading the Silmarillion.
Rewatching the extended editions AND, even more essentially, ALL the appendices is a yearly ritual for me. And it never gets old!
So, thank you for that Mr. Burnett!
10 months later this stream just warms my heart as i am watching a LOTR marathon , thank you peeps!
I know I'm late to the party with this video but just wanted to say I love these films, i haven't seen anything like them since they came out. I also loved this video, very interesting chat and it's also good to hear other fans talk about things your a fan of. Thank you.
Only just saw this stream. My God this is full of superb insight..as good as anything you could imagine coming from the actual cast and crew. I'm blown away by you all. I'm disgusted this anniversary has passed without reverence for this industry defining collection of films. I noticed nothing. In fact the Harry Potter 20th anniversary got more media attention than TFOTR.
Fellowship Extended Edition has a worse introduction to Hobbiton, Bilbo looking for his ring introduces the darkness of the ring too early.
In the Theater version it's only Frodo meeting Gandalf and we don't see Bilbo until Gandalf knocks on the door.
"One of the Halflings carry something of great value. Bring them to me alive, and unspoiled. Kill the others! "
The two best villains in the trilogy having a conversation.
What a panel, bravo!
Went to the first showing, 11am on a Thursday morning. Cinema was packed. For 3 hours, no one moved, went to the toilet, used their phone, talked, or chomped food. Everybody sat absolutely entranced from beginning to end. Best ever cinema experience.
I make it a point to watch all the extended editions, all the appendices, and Shores complete recordings once a year. Never, ever get tired of it.
41:35 minutes in and "Xray Girl" hasn't had an introduction and I don't think I've heard her say a word.
Very interesting discussion and loved all the guests. The only thing I would like to push back on would be when justsomeguy said HP Lovecraft was bad that even the Nazis would have told him to tone it down. I think the Nazis wanted him to "tone it down" after Lovecraft married a jew and called the Nazis "dumb bookburners"
You want to push back against a joke?
Mokay, if you want...
As for Lovecraft, he was an ambivalent and fascinating man. His antisemitism was well known.
And yet he married a jew. He was obviously attracted to the intelligence of his wife. But he still demanded odd things to her like to not invite too much jews if they made a party. Also, this marriage only lasted two years. So I don't even know if you could call a quasi sexless marriage of two years a real marriage.
I think Lovecraft truly hated humanity and at the same time admired and loved people as individuals. He was also friend with other jews, he was friend with an homosexual man... some people think that Lovecraft was a repressed homosexual, but I think he just didn't realy like sex, wich fits his views on humanity.
Oh, and of course, his views on africans.
So yeah. He indeed married a jew, for two years. He was still antisemit. People can be like that sometimes. Complex.
When I came after 3 yrs in the infantry saw the fellowship then thought wow we were uruks
Came home from oversea
Thank you! Many things I didn't know. Makes me appreciate the trilogy even more than I did before. The stories about the cast were especially touching.
Big laugh earned the PJ "stalker" in the kitchen story.
Did not feel like 5h.
Great stream! It is the greatest trilogy, which reminds me to watch the whole +9h trilogy on the holidays back to back. You did more for the Lord of The Rings and the movies than actual
marketing departments of these studios.
Reminds me you all aspiring film makers, take your influences from couple of things Darksouls/Bloodborne and 40k , but dont make fanfic make your own but "gritty&dark" sells and if you
guys are really seriously Unreal engine can do great stuff and its not that hard to learn.
The most comfy stream this year
With a book, you have much more space to put forth different concepts for the reader to identify and think about. With a movie, everything you show needs to be directly purposeful to the story and theme.
Bit on a late Notice Gary.
On this very day you aired this Podcast a local Cinema in my Area did actually feature the LotR Extended Trilogy for the 20th Anniversary. Sadly due to work commitments i couldn't go. I did however watch the Trilogy when I got back. Fun Times. Thank you for this Podcast.