Great video! Perfectly executed cliff hanger. What's that mystery goo? Guess we're going to have to tune in next video to find out : ) My guess - an anti seize of sorts
Thank you very much Z! Actually we were planning on waiting to see if it works or not before revealing what it is! (If it just falls off I would rather that happen only to us rather than a whole bunch of other people who try the same experiment...) As you are a member of our Patreon Crew, we will send you a message there and reveal the secret substance! Fair winds, Chris, Rossella & Emma 😊
As I said in an earlier post, divide repairs into categories relative to their criticality in maintaining fundamental sea keeping functionality. The structural integrity of your rudder is definitely an "A" level issue. No shortcuts or guessing on "A" level repairs! Glad you learned that lesson in the yard and not during a Force 8 night with family aboard. Love your attitude and sense of humor. Be well all!
Yes the anchor looks very much like a Delta. Nice one. In regards to the rudder repair. Here are my 2 cents. Your attempted epoxy repair did sound good in theory, but there was just no way to verify that the repair did in fact work. And luckily you found out while on the hard that there was an "issue", shall we say. I have also done many many repairs on boats and sometimes I need to trust my gut on those. If I don't feel confident about any repairs, I have to go back to square one. On a boat-no shortcuts-no unverifiable repairs-no cheaping out- . Thats what I have learned and sometimes the hard way. Thanks for sharing your valuable experience.
Well done! Better to admit defeat gracefully and go one victoriously. The proverb says pride goes before the fall! I’ve been there too many times. Good to see your cheerful attitude back.
Little Emma seams always happy. Good to see you raising her with so much love and 2 languages (big advantage). I found your channel a little while ago and have been enjoying the videos. Thanks! Trying to help: It would be great for the audience if you could manage to show more of each step you have to make. I know that creates challenges w/ schedule and infrastructure for the video but perhaps you can consider your options. All the best to you and the family.
Hello, we are truly blessed with Emma, she is such a happy soul! Love is one thing she is definitely not short of. Both in the UK & Italy our family absolutely dote on her. 😊Whilst refitting the boat we were making some specific 'boat work' videos, showing the work we were doing in great detail. I'm editing one of those right now about the saildrive diaphragm seal replacement... These will cover things in very fine detail and help others carry out their own boat work. Cheers! Chris 👍
Great video. Good to see your supporting local small business, good on you. 100 mtrs Chain you wont need to worry about side loads, in anything more than 30 mtrs. Its a popular misconception that the anchor takes all the load when actually 70% of holding is down to the chain. Great to see the little one is getting a boat life upbringing. It will not be long before she is helping with the antifoul! thanks for sharing. Sail Safe. Ant & Cid xx
Ah well, live and learn. It was worth a shot and your experience will helps many other people. I just hope you get the bush sorted so you can get the family on the water ASAP. Thanks for all the great vids. They're much appreciated.
Your repair effort was very admirable, sorry that in the end it didn’t take. Get some rest! Thanks for the lesson! Having to engineer the replacement parts was just as interesting and educational! Thanks for the second lesson! Good luck!
yay for new bushes , I have two peaces of that stuff for my rudder tube ....your chain locker ...in mine I'm fitting sections of conveyor belt rubber to help protect the inside of the locker and make it quieter inside the whole boat..... cheers
Thats much better a hull anode and bonding to the rudder and all . Living on the hook you dont need it but that prop was a sign of damage that must go no further. Surprised you didnt go mantus or rockna the rollover bar is cool🐋Vinecero!
I'm a repair mechanic by trade, large construction equipment stuff. I'm also a welder fabricator. I've heard of the West system repair for rudders but I always hold true to the old car engine stop leak treatments, head gasket repair especially. Always repair it right technically and engineering wise, no short cuts it's a 50/50 shot it will work! A car you just call a tow truck in the ocean wellllll! Repair it right
bellissimo video ragazzi! sometime the most difficult things is to avoid to be put down from the adversities; it occurs very often that one job asks for another one, that is normal, and you seem to deal with that in the best possible way, with optimism. that is great!! no dispair, the splash is very close! By contrast, we are still very far from that moment with our boat, but we will hold out! In the meanwhile we watch your videos. A presto e buon lavoro. Best. Alberto & family.
Good to see progress, even if the bushing fix didn't quite work. If that's egg white, I've often wondered why it might work but have never tried. I have seen people paint it on once without whisking and hope for the best and have it fail. So I did some learning. :) Overbeat it. Apparently this forms covalent disulphide bonds that exclude water. I think you want these disulphide bonds, so it's probably also important to make sure the egg white dries completely between each coat, and apply as many coats as time permits. Apparently most cell membrane proteins exist in an oxidized redox state as disulfide bonds. The redox state may be what reduces growth as it may cost more energy for microbes to break it down than the benefit they get in doing so. Prop material may also be important, glutathione disulfide-glutathione couple has a reduction potential of -240 mV (similar to admiralty brass/silicon bronze) during cell proliferation, and -170 mV (similar to lead and nickel-aluminium bronze) during cell apoptosis (death). I know Chefs use copper bowls to impart copper nanoparticles and prevent these covalent bonds forming so as to keep the egg white soft and fluffy, however I don't think that's what you want. Good luck.
When there is no land or help within a thousand miles in either direction you will be damned glad you replaced those bushings. Nice job on sail drive. Beautiful family. How much did the machinist charge you out of curiosity?
I'm sure you need more advice :-) It's normal to put a few links of chain between the anchor and the swivel. Then you won't need to use a shackle or worry about side loads...
Hi there, we knew about that (and even bought the three links of 10 mm chain...) but in order to connect these links of chain to the anchor I have to use extra shackles in the system and the strongest shackles I can find that fit are only rated to 860 kg. This swivel is rated at 5000 kg on a straight pull, or 2000 kg on a sideways pull so there is no need to reduce the strength of our anchoring system by adding shackles. (The shackle I added never comes under load, it just alters the geometry of the anchor attachment point - eliminating any possibility of 'dog legging' of the anchor swivel on the anchor...) Fair winds, Chris
The only people not making mistakes, are the people doing nothing; however, they are usually the first to though stones!! That being said, only hard earned knowledge will help you change course when thing start to go to Sh7t. Well done!!
Good work, Chris. Its hard to step back and decide to redo part of a project. Well done to bite the bullet, take the hit, and redo the bushings. How did you connect the end of the chain to the boat. Missed that part of the chain installation.
Hello from Denmark, I love your very nice introduction based on your professional knowledge. So I use Christmas to look at TH-cam boat fix good Christmas from Chopenhagen..
Well the important thing is you admitted it was t right before heading off and finding you had to lift out again. No right or wrong here just first solution didn't work. Anyway, good progress with Saildrive, chain and now rudder nearly there. As for prop concoction, maybe egg white or another home brew prop run the Rival FB page and someone in Greece uses egg white and says it works great. Another tried beeswax and that failed miserably. Another polishes his prop, to 800 wet and dry and found that worked well and another swears by baby oil and zinc... Prop treatment from chandlers is very pricey so worth trying something new. God I hope this weather perks up soon, dreadful. Happy days. Andy UK SY Corrival Rival 32
Hi Chris, thanks for the great vids - very inspirational! For the past 3 years I've been thinking/wishing to take up sailing and eventually getting my own boat. The only thing that prevented me from taking a leap into owning a boat is the maintenance cost. But my dream is being revived after watching your videos. I used to be a car machanic and I'm very handy type of guy. I live in London southeast and would like get more info on which marina(s) you used that allows to DIY on your own boat? Many thanks Chris
Hi Phil, buying and looking after the boat can be cheap but the cost of storing one can make or break the deal. Your best bet by far is a sailing club. We visited many clubs and Britaly was just a little bit big for many of the lifts, but this can be a very cheap way of owning a boat. You can do whatever DIY work you want and everyone at the club chips in to run the place. You will learn loads from your fellow members too, I highly recommend you look into it. Cheers, Chris 👍
Thank You. It’s a small world. I had a Bavaria 34 ‘Dreamcatcher ‘ which was on the hard at MYC just over a year ago, in the exact position your yacht is in. I also found the conveniently placed wooden platform useful. Keeping plugged into the mains was a pain. The Bosun and other club members kept unplugging me😡
Lol. Good for you Sir. It takes a man to admit he is wrong. Respect to you. Enjoyable vid. I can't help you, but I bet if you asked for help a fair few people would come and help you. Good luck with rudder. Do you have a hole in the rudder top to take the weight of it when you are hove too ? Check out Maryland Sailing School, on youtube, for managing a storm - life saving stuff Bruv, and you have got access now to the rudder. All the best.
Anchor swivels should not be connected like that. They are only strong when taking a linear load. They will snap if side loaded so a shackle should be attached between the swivel and anchor. Research it!
Cleo Torris Hi Cleo, I agree and disagree with you: I understand perfectly about the reduced strength of the anchor swivel when subjected to a side load. I purchased three links of anchor chain intending to fit them between the anchor swivel and the anchor but then when I went to buy shackles the biggest ones I could buy which would fit the chain were only rated to 860 kg. The Kong anchor swivel we bought is rated to 5000 kg on a straight pull and 2000 kg on a sideways pull, so I refuse to reduce the breaking strength of the system by introducing shackles which are rated far lower than that. Fair winds, Chris
Well that absolutely makes sense. Keep in mind I am only relaying what I have read\heard as a warning regarding swivels. The design may have improved. I am new to sailing but not to boating so also consider the source. I only sound the warning so research can be done to confirm the best setup. It is bad enough having an anchor drag, but having one break free would be horror story. Love the channel and all the tips!
Great video! Perfectly executed cliff hanger. What's that mystery goo? Guess we're going to have to tune in next video to find out : )
My guess - an anti seize of sorts
Thank you very much Z! Actually we were planning on waiting to see if it works or not before revealing what it is! (If it just falls off I would rather that happen only to us rather than a whole bunch of other people who try the same experiment...) As you are a member of our Patreon Crew, we will send you a message there and reveal the secret substance! Fair winds, Chris, Rossella & Emma 😊
As I said in an earlier post, divide repairs into categories relative to their criticality in maintaining fundamental sea keeping functionality. The structural integrity of your rudder is definitely an "A" level issue. No shortcuts or guessing on "A" level repairs! Glad you learned that lesson in the yard and not during a Force 8 night with family aboard. Love your attitude and sense of humor. Be well all!
Ten out of ten for your honesty and determination 👍
Hi there, thank you very much. We set ourselves up for a fall but hey, that's real life! Fair winds, Chris, Rossella & Emma 👍
Takes a real man to admit being wrong, honesty is a great trait to have Chris 👍🏼
bellissima bambina 👨👩👧
What great character you have.
Yes the anchor looks very much like a Delta. Nice one. In regards to the rudder repair. Here are my 2 cents. Your attempted epoxy repair did sound good in theory, but there was just no way to verify that the repair did in fact work. And luckily you found out while on the hard that there was an "issue", shall we say. I have also done many many repairs on boats and sometimes I need to trust my gut on those. If I don't feel confident about any repairs, I have to go back to square one. On a boat-no shortcuts-no unverifiable repairs-no cheaping out- . Thats what I have learned and sometimes the hard way. Thanks for sharing your valuable experience.
Just had to say: Emma is the most beautiful little baby! What a blessing. God bless your family! I love your videos. Thanks for making them.
Hi Patrick, thank you very much! God bless you and your family too and thank you for watching! Fair winds, Chris, Rossella & Emma 😊
Well done! Better to admit defeat gracefully and go one victoriously. The proverb says pride goes before the fall!
I’ve been there too many times. Good to see your cheerful attitude back.
I like the way you take responsibility and the way you work. Well done.
Thank you Michael 👍
Good job Chris. Thorough as usual. The right and wrong of it does not matter; only safety matters with that great family of yours. Keep going!
Little Emma seams always happy. Good to see you raising her with so much love and 2 languages (big advantage). I found your channel a little while ago and have been enjoying the videos. Thanks! Trying to help: It would be great for the audience if you could manage to show more of each step you have to make. I know that creates challenges w/ schedule and infrastructure for the video but perhaps you can consider your options. All the best to you and the family.
Hello, we are truly blessed with Emma, she is such a happy soul! Love is one thing she is definitely not short of. Both in the UK & Italy our family absolutely dote on her. 😊Whilst refitting the boat we were making some specific 'boat work' videos, showing the work we were doing in great detail. I'm editing one of those right now about the saildrive diaphragm seal replacement... These will cover things in very fine detail and help others carry out their own boat work. Cheers! Chris 👍
It's good that after all the work you can still laugh about it. But you did do one thing right, Emma is a beautiful baby!
Great video. Good to see your supporting local small business, good on you. 100 mtrs Chain you wont need to worry about side loads, in anything more than 30 mtrs. Its a popular misconception that the anchor takes all the load when actually 70% of holding is down to the chain. Great to see the little one is getting a boat life upbringing. It will not be long before she is helping with the antifoul! thanks for sharing. Sail Safe. Ant & Cid xx
Very magnanimous Chris! The buck stops and all that. Another day at school! You have a beautiful family! Another great video thanks.
Ah well, live and learn. It was worth a shot and your experience will helps many other people. I just hope you get the bush sorted so you can get the family on the water ASAP. Thanks for all the great vids. They're much appreciated.
Your repair effort was very admirable, sorry that in the end it didn’t take. Get some rest! Thanks for the lesson! Having to engineer the replacement parts was just as interesting and educational! Thanks for the second lesson! Good luck!
yay for new bushes , I have two peaces of that stuff for my rudder tube ....your chain locker ...in mine I'm fitting sections of conveyor belt rubber to help protect the inside of the locker and make it quieter inside the whole boat..... cheers
Geez, I wouldn't say it was a mistake. It was worth a try and it just didn't work out. Hopefully your second lower bush will fit nicely.
There are no mistakes, just happy accidents!
Forza Chris .."chi la dura la vince" ! ...fair winds and perfect gears
Thats much better a hull anode and bonding to the rudder and all . Living on the hook you dont need it but that prop was a sign of damage that must go no further. Surprised you didnt go mantus or rockna the rollover bar is cool🐋Vinecero!
kakaka jjajjj! two little bambino having fun!
I'm a repair mechanic by trade, large construction equipment stuff. I'm also a welder fabricator. I've heard of the West system repair for rudders but I always hold true to the old car engine stop leak treatments, head gasket repair especially. Always repair it right technically and engineering wise, no short cuts it's a 50/50 shot it will work! A car you just call a tow truck in the ocean wellllll! Repair it right
Buen trabajo. Muchas gracias por compartirlo. Saludos desde Argentina!
bellissimo video ragazzi! sometime the most difficult things is to avoid to be put down from the adversities; it occurs very often that one job asks for another one, that is normal, and you seem to deal with that in the best possible way, with optimism. that is great!! no dispair, the splash is very close! By contrast, we are still very far from that moment with our boat, but we will hold out! In the meanwhile we watch your videos. A presto e buon lavoro. Best. Alberto & family.
Good to see progress, even if the bushing fix didn't quite work.
If that's egg white, I've often wondered why it might work but have never tried. I have seen people paint it on once without whisking and hope for the best and have it fail. So I did some learning. :) Overbeat it. Apparently this forms covalent disulphide bonds that exclude water. I think you want these disulphide bonds, so it's probably also important to make sure the egg white dries completely between each coat, and apply as many coats as time permits.
Apparently most cell membrane proteins exist in an oxidized redox state as disulfide bonds. The redox state may be what reduces growth as it may cost more energy for microbes to break it down than the benefit they get in doing so. Prop material may also be important, glutathione disulfide-glutathione couple has a reduction potential of -240 mV (similar to admiralty brass/silicon bronze) during cell proliferation, and -170 mV (similar to lead and nickel-aluminium bronze) during cell apoptosis (death).
I know Chefs use copper bowls to impart copper nanoparticles and prevent these covalent bonds forming so as to keep the egg white soft and fluffy, however I don't think that's what you want. Good luck.
When there is no land or help within a thousand miles in either direction you will be damned glad you replaced those bushings. Nice job on sail drive. Beautiful family. How much did the machinist charge you out of curiosity?
I'm sure you need more advice :-) It's normal to put a few links of chain between the anchor and the swivel. Then you won't need to use a shackle or worry about side loads...
Hi there, we knew about that (and even bought the three links of 10 mm chain...) but in order to connect these links of chain to the anchor I have to use extra shackles in the system and the strongest shackles I can find that fit are only rated to 860 kg. This swivel is rated at 5000 kg on a straight pull, or 2000 kg on a sideways pull so there is no need to reduce the strength of our anchoring system by adding shackles. (The shackle I added never comes under load, it just alters the geometry of the anchor attachment point - eliminating any possibility of 'dog legging' of the anchor swivel on the anchor...) Fair winds, Chris
Fair enough.
Nice one it takes a big balls captain to say I was wrong I'm more worried that your turning in to shaggy off Scooby Doo
I was wrong once too, I thought I made a mistake 😂😃😄😅😂😁
The only people not making mistakes, are the people doing nothing; however, they are usually the first to though stones!! That being said, only hard earned knowledge will help you change course when thing start to go to Sh7t. Well done!!
Funny .... i do recognise your story as it were mine as i also needed 2 new bushes before success.... keep on the good work....
That little bambino of yours makes me laugh every single time
Good Vid! Fair Winds Stay Safe
Good work, Chris. Its hard to step back and decide to redo part of a project. Well done to bite the bullet, take the hit, and redo the bushings. How did you connect the end of the chain to the boat. Missed that part of the chain installation.
Nice hat.
Hello from Denmark, I love your very nice introduction based on your professional knowledge. So I use Christmas to look at TH-cam boat fix good Christmas from Chopenhagen..
Thank you Jan, fair winds! :-)
Try using Vesconite in future.Lasts longer .
This can't be?!?! Now, I must watch the video. :)
Hello Britaly, I hope you can help us…What material is the rudder bearing made of?
Good job!
I am relieved you went the replacement route... 👏 🍾🍾🥇🥇 Great videos as always! Any launch day count-down?
Well the important thing is you admitted it was t right before heading off and finding you had to lift out again. No right or wrong here just first solution didn't work. Anyway, good progress with Saildrive, chain and now rudder nearly there. As for prop concoction, maybe egg white or another home brew prop run the Rival FB page and someone in Greece uses egg white and says it works great. Another tried beeswax and that failed miserably. Another polishes his prop, to 800 wet and dry and found that worked well and another swears by baby oil and zinc... Prop treatment from chandlers is very pricey so worth trying something new. God I hope this weather perks up soon, dreadful. Happy days. Andy UK SY Corrival Rival 32
Can you provide a link for the rubber chain markers? They look like the best solution I ever seen for marking chain. Thanks and fair winds.
Hi Chris, thanks for the great vids - very inspirational! For the past 3 years I've been thinking/wishing to take up sailing and eventually getting my own boat. The only thing that prevented me from taking a leap into owning a boat is the maintenance cost. But my dream is being revived after watching your videos. I used to be a car machanic and I'm very handy type of guy. I live in London southeast and would like get more info on which marina(s) you used that allows to DIY on your own boat? Many thanks Chris
Hi Phil, buying and looking after the boat can be cheap but the cost of storing one can make or break the deal. Your best bet by far is a sailing club. We visited many clubs and Britaly was just a little bit big for many of the lifts, but this can be a very cheap way of owning a boat. You can do whatever DIY work you want and everyone at the club chips in to run the place. You will learn loads from your fellow members too, I highly recommend you look into it. Cheers, Chris 👍
Maybe adding wax to the original west repair epoxy would have negated the sticky surface residue on the cured product?
Great Video!
good job
Being a bit of a lay person in respect of multi meters. What settings did you use?
Thank You. It’s a small world. I had a Bavaria 34 ‘Dreamcatcher ‘ which was on the hard at MYC just over a year ago, in the exact position your yacht is in. I also found the conveniently placed wooden platform useful. Keeping plugged into the mains was a pain. The Bosun and other club members kept unplugging me😡
This is my first hearing of a failed epoxy rudder bearing fix. Does this mean no more pots of flaming sandpaper?
Respect
I watch Sail Life over in Denmark he done same thing great vlog crack on
When in doubt make it stout.
OMG.... did your wife say "Ha det bra"??? That's norwegian, my language :)
Do babies get seasick?
We haven’t seen a video from you in some time. Are you okay?
its 2 days latter ......what happened ...?
Lol. Good for you Sir. It takes a man to admit he is wrong. Respect to you. Enjoyable vid. I can't help you, but I bet if you asked for help a fair few people would come and help you. Good luck with rudder. Do you have a hole in the rudder top to take the weight of it when you are hove too ? Check out Maryland Sailing School, on youtube, for managing a storm - life saving stuff Bruv, and you have got access now to the rudder. All the best.
What a lovely baby and has dads eyes
Takes guts to admit a mistake .
Bugga take it on the chin and move on its only time and money
Hi Alan, exactly. A valuable lesson (or two) learned and we take that forward with us for the future! Fair winds, Chris and Rossella 👍 (& Emma 😊)
Anchor swivels should not be connected like that. They are only strong when taking a linear load. They will snap if side loaded so a shackle should be attached between the swivel and anchor. Research it!
Cleo Torris Hi Cleo, I agree and disagree with you: I understand perfectly about the reduced strength of the anchor swivel when subjected to a side load. I purchased three links of anchor chain intending to fit them between the anchor swivel and the anchor but then when I went to buy shackles the biggest ones I could buy which would fit the chain were only rated to 860 kg. The Kong anchor swivel we bought is rated to 5000 kg on a straight pull and 2000 kg on a sideways pull, so I refuse to reduce the breaking strength of the system by introducing shackles which are rated far lower than that. Fair winds, Chris
Well that absolutely makes sense. Keep in mind I am only relaying what I have read\heard as a warning regarding swivels. The design may have improved. I am new to sailing but not to boating so also consider the source. I only sound the warning so research can be done to confirm the best setup. It is bad enough having an anchor drag, but having one break free would be horror story. Love the channel and all the tips!
kakaka jjajjj! two little bambino having fun!