I feel like if you turn True Peak limiting off, then it makes sense to use a safer ceiling, like at least -0.5dB. From the Pro L 2 manual: "The best way to minimize inter-sample peaks and distortion, is to use oversampling. In addition, increasing the lookahead can also help quite a lot, but may affect loudness and transparency. In most cases, choosing 4x oversampling in combination with a minimum lookahead time of 0.1 ms, keeps inter-sample peaks within a range of 0.1 dB." I've tested your settings, and see the True Peak Metering show my audio actually going as much as 0.3 dB higher than my set ceiling. I'd recommend either safer Lookahead or a safer ceiling if you're going to turn True Peak Limiting off, because the true peak can range a lot more than 0.1dB with such low lookahead. Oversampling saves but only so much.
Actually if you check the most streamed songs on Spotify (weekend, Diplo etc) many of them are peaking +1 or even +2db tp. Intersample peaks are not always audible ;)
From my very basic understanding, it can dull the track because it's making adjustments on its own based on the incoming audio, and it's adjustments might not be what you want. Some PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong.
Attack on Pro L 2 isn't "attack", it's the 1st stage of release, and release is the 2nd stage of release. The attack is still instantaneous. Audio will still be brickwalled at the ceiling. It's confusing, but it's in the Pro L 2 manual.
@LETTMusic That's interesting. It seems this is the motivation for a two-stage release settings in FL studio's Maximus. Thanks a lot for the clarification!
I find up to about 5/6 is still transparent I use a clipper if it overshoots 6.. also I find bass heavy dance music release to about 30ms works well otherwise some times a bit of crackling can occasionally be heard
@@musicforthemind3421he’s saying that the artifacts you’re hearing are due to your pc being unable to handle the level of oversampling used and will not be present in the final rendered wav. Take people’s advice and you’ll learn something, or don’t, it’s your choice.
why would you have lookahead but also a long attack instead of immediate one. that's not doing much you could've just had an almost 10ms attack and it'll be the same. Also, limiter settings won't be the same for every track and definitely not for every genre. Aside from Output -0.1 I'd say all should be so different.
it doesn't matter... one stupid thing about pro-l is it's not actually hard limiting at that level... it's only turning down the final output -.1 or -.3, I was so fucking pissed when I figured that out, the company of course explains it away.
Oversampling does practically the same thing as TruePeak Limiting. But you have more control over it, because you can decide by yourself how much Oversampling you want. So you don't have to use both. Streaky does it the right way👍
It runs the plug in at a higher sample rate. Ex: if you're running your project at 48kHz, the limiter will run at 768kHz. The higher sample rate will reduce the chance of inter-sample peaks, as opposed to true peak limiting which will directly target the inter-sample peaks (or the "true peak"). Think proactive approach ("let's prevent this from happening") vs. reactive approach ("this is happening, let's fix it").
It pevents upper distorted harmonics from folding down into the audible range so essentially reduces distortion and you can push it harder but its very cpu intensive
In Pro L 2 the “attack” function isnt standard attack like a normal compressor. The “attack” knob in Pro L2 effects how quickly the release function kicks in (if you hover over it with your mouse it will explain this)
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@@Spaceman.Osborne he is the best on TH-cam as far as mastering is concerned
I feel like if you turn True Peak limiting off, then it makes sense to use a safer ceiling, like at least -0.5dB.
From the Pro L 2 manual:
"The best way to minimize inter-sample peaks and distortion, is to use oversampling. In addition, increasing the lookahead can also help quite a lot, but may affect loudness and transparency.
In most cases, choosing 4x oversampling in combination with a minimum lookahead time of 0.1 ms, keeps inter-sample
peaks within a range of 0.1 dB."
I've tested your settings, and see the True Peak Metering show my audio actually going as much as 0.3 dB higher than my set ceiling.
I'd recommend either safer Lookahead or a safer ceiling if you're going to turn True Peak Limiting off, because the true peak can range a lot more than 0.1dB with such low lookahead. Oversampling saves but only so much.
Right should be - 1,0
Thanks
Actually if you check the most streamed songs on Spotify (weekend, Diplo etc) many of them are peaking +1 or even +2db tp. Intersample peaks are not always audible ;)
🎉thanks for sharing always dropping useful tips ❤
Cool can you tell us why you do each parameter like that ?
He has a video on his channel explaining why.
@@DavidDiaz-he6eiI’m reading a book on multiband compression
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Do you do this for all genres?
On every master, haha
At first i was sad seeing all the shorts. Turns out i was wrong every single one of these shorts is absolute GOLD
Nice one
Are those settings also usable with the limiter from SSL?
Why lookahead on zero? Isn’t it more precise to have it previewing before?
From my very basic understanding, it can dull the track because it's making adjustments on its own based on the incoming audio, and it's adjustments might not be what you want. Some PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong.
@@coleco I thought the lookahead was a device to capture the wave coming with more precision, increasing the precision and overloading the processing.
Hi Streaky, why is the limiter attack set to 10s. It feels a little too large to detect any peaks. What is the motive for this?
Attack on Pro L 2 isn't "attack", it's the 1st stage of release, and release is the 2nd stage of release. The attack is still instantaneous. Audio will still be brickwalled at the ceiling. It's confusing, but it's in the Pro L 2 manual.
@LETTMusic That's interesting. It seems this is the motivation for a two-stage release settings in FL studio's Maximus. Thanks a lot for the clarification!
If you look at the visualizer you can see it detecting peaks
How many dB of reduction should I ideally be seeing in the most energetic part of the song when I push it up with these settings?
Around 3db of reduction is ideal. Or as much as you want until it sounds bad, then pull back till it sounds good.
I find up to about 5/6 is still transparent I use a clipper if it overshoots 6.. also I find bass heavy dance music release to about 30ms works well otherwise some times a bit of crackling can occasionally be heard
Thanks guys
If i open fabfilter l2...
Automaticly my hand going to this settings always....
Thanks streaky sir❤️
It didn't work for me. The Kclip gave me a more clearer sound on x4 oversampling?
Ur computer might not be able to handle that setting. In that case stick with 4x
It'll sound clearer once the audio is rendered into WAV or MP3. Right now the high oversampling is hard on your CPU.
My computer is fine lol. I run over 200 pluggins at times. It just doesn't handle a BIG volume like the rest. I make DnB and my tunes are -3lufs
@@ZerdeshtBouncing something that sounds crap is the worst advice I've ever had mate
@@musicforthemind3421he’s saying that the artifacts you’re hearing are due to your pc being unable to handle the level of oversampling used and will not be present in the final rendered wav. Take people’s advice and you’ll learn something, or don’t, it’s your choice.
why no true peak?
Cause someone can do a shit on an analog signal flow.. thrue peak is not for him.
So you don’t master, you’ve basically made your own preset and slap it on everything
why would you have lookahead but also a long attack instead of immediate one. that's not doing much you could've just had an almost 10ms attack and it'll be the same.
Also, limiter settings won't be the same for every track and definitely not for every genre.
Aside from Output -0.1 I'd say all should be so different.
0.3 dB
it doesn't matter... one stupid thing about pro-l is it's not actually hard limiting at that level... it's only turning down the final output -.1 or -.3, I was so fucking pissed when I figured that out, the company of course explains it away.
@@YoungNino2017that all ends analog
@@Sample_Props_Official Wha???
Confused me bc that are no limiting 🤔
What does the oversampling do?
Oversampling does practically the same thing as TruePeak Limiting. But you have more control over it, because you can decide by yourself how much Oversampling you want. So you don't have to use both. Streaky does it the right way👍
It runs the plug in at a higher sample rate. Ex: if you're running your project at 48kHz, the limiter will run at 768kHz. The higher sample rate will reduce the chance of inter-sample peaks, as opposed to true peak limiting which will directly target the inter-sample peaks (or the "true peak"). Think proactive approach ("let's prevent this from happening") vs. reactive approach ("this is happening, let's fix it").
It pevents upper distorted harmonics from folding down into the audible range so essentially reduces distortion and you can push it harder but its very cpu intensive
Why true peak is off? 😳
I lose transients when pushing into it
Nooooo dont tell them the sauce i use this on everything as well
It's a clipper now :)
You are a clipper
@@Sample_Props_Official It's true :)
@@JohnMichaelFord I learn it still and still. Im sometimes done.. what I know every digital mixer with amp has +6dbu clipper. If I see this well.
10 seconds attack?!
Its Milli seconds not seconds
@@MarliqueMusique it's clearly 10 seconds
@@systematic-soundit’s milliseconds dude, why tf would it be seconds
@@steveo6408 yeah good question. But rewatch the clip, when he dials in the attack the UI says clearly 10 seconds.
In Pro L 2 the “attack” function isnt standard attack like a normal compressor. The “attack” knob in Pro L2 effects how quickly the release function kicks in (if you hover over it with your mouse it will explain this)
Pro L2 sucks as a limiter. It changes the original tone of the mix too much.
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Pls dont ever use this song
Is this your only limiter on the Master or do you use more?