as a huge taylor swift fan i agree that the criticism of her is valid. its so ridiculous that there are actual things that these people could be pointing to as i guess defects in her character (carbon emissions, etc) but instead they are just gross and misogynistic and its clear that they just view her as less than because shes a woman. also yes stan no body no crime
comparing sports to theatre suddenly makes so much sense to me why i'm such a big theatre nerd and an equally big phillies fan. I always thought I was in two totally different genres of fandom (and for the most part i am given the types of people in each) but I'd argue that philly sports lately have been ESPECIALLY theatrical, what with the phillies not being in the playoffs for ten years and then making it to the world series last year. I get the same chills from bryson stott's grand slam as I do from hearing jeremy jordan belt his little heart out in the last note of santa fe. EVERYTHING IS COMPARABLE and i can't believe it took me this long to realize. thanks harry! edit: YES TO THE NO BODY NO CRIME HYPE
Please don’t take this as a backhand compliment but I really enjoyed how you rambled from topic to topic in this video. Felt just like how me and my friends talk.
Nice video. I find this obsession with her bizarre, yes I’m a fan, but this negative obsession with her is irrational. The comments about her, she has every right to be there, its not her fault the nfl lost their minds and want to benefit from her presence. But the fans. its amazing to hear. “these people don’t even know the game”, “these fans are not real fans, what’s going to happen when they break up”, “if they lose, its going to be her fault”. I mean the weight of the entire season seems to be on her shoulders. But, my question is why does it matter why these people have started watching the nfl, isn’t it a good thing? do they not understand that the nfl has tried to get female watchers for decades? Not only that, but Taylor is the biggest international superstar right now, a lot of her fans do not even know the game of football because football is a North American sport. And this has encouraged them to LEARN ABOUT A GAME THATS NOT EVEN IN THEIR COUNTRY! Do they understand that impact she has? NFL fans are criticizing it as bizarre to start watching a sport because of this parasocial relationship with her. Well, i find it to be actually normal. That’s how people learn new things, get introduced to them. When Joe Montana moved from the 49ers to KC, I started watching KC. Did it matter why? No. When Peyton Manning moved to Denver, Indianapolis fans started watching the Broncos. Did it matter why? No. when you move to a new city and find new friends who like this new kind of music, you adapt and go with it, does it matter why? You start dating someone new and they like country music and you let that into your world, does it matter why? They want to watch NFL on sundays, so that’s what you do too. Does it matter why? Does it matter if my non-serious boyfriend from college, some 35 years ago, liked the Yankees, so I root for the Yankees still today. I moved to a new place and met a bunch of English blokes that watch English soccer, so I learned the game and watched with them. Does it matter why? No? It brings a smile to my face. Remembering watching Joe MOntana reminds me of watching football with my dad and that brings a smile to my face. It does not matter what brings people to try new things, and it may last a season, a few years, but usually that fondness at least brings a smile to their face decades later. The NFL gained female viewership, like 60%. Thats amazing. Does it matter why? Does it really matter that they are watching because Taylor? To be honest. Its not entirely because they think she will be there at all. Her fans support what she supports, its unlike any other fandom. If she supports the Chiefs, they will. Watch the viewership stay up (maybe not as far up) while she leaves for tour with no chance of her being there. Watch people still tune in. Her wearing that Erin Andrews jacket to the last game, it sold out in like an hour. Her fans support what she supports. If she likes a movie, her fans will see it. If she is friends with another artist, they listen to their music too. They now watch the Kelce podcast, not because they think she will be on it, but to support Travis. NFL fans need to get on board and realize she has done nothing wrong, is bringing not only a new female fan base to the NFL, but an entire international viewership previously untapped (well, they may or may not be able to view but they are following online and in chats). Does it matter why these new fans are interested? NO. They are. and that’s a good thing. There is no need to shoot it down, insult it, be afraid of it. And some (few, but there are some) have reciprocated and decided to listen to Taylor’s music. Does it matter why they decided to do so? NO. I wish the NFL fans would understand this is really the best thing to happen to the NFL in decades, and she is not an enemy. Right now everything she touches turns to gold so I say jump on the bandwagon because she is a lucky charm.
"The NFL market is for grown men not teenage girls" i literally got into football when I was a teenage girl lol wtf these out of pocket takes on the Kelce/Swift thing is incredibly unhinged 😂 also great video, I loved what you said about sports being improv, it really is so fun to watch :)
plus, lots of in-trend things are decided from teenage girls. as much as everyone gets tired of seeing cameras cut to her, why would the nfl cut their profits by closing their market off only to grown men 😭
I love how unique this topic is. I feel like your videos always show me something fun or new but as a swiftie and not a sports fan I had no idea Taylor Swift was affecting football this much lmao.
I am a Chiefs fan and a Taylor Swift fan so this has been buckwild for me. I have been to Chiefs games. I was in the second row at the Eras Tour. I genuinely hope both of them find happiness.
I always loved football, and watched it weekly with my dad every season growing up. Then I moved out and i forgot about it. Taylor got me back into caring about and watching football and it's been so fun. I really liked this video because yeah she has her own issues but i like her and i like her music and i think she, like everyone, deserves to be happy. I think your break down was really good and i appreciated it because as someone who has been a fan of hers for a long time, sometimes I feel like i get written off because im just "obsessed" with her. So it was nice to hear these points coming from someone who is more neutral. I agree the bigger issue isn't about Taylor but she is a huge figure who is easy to use as proof of how misogyny still exists and people need to be aware and not act like the way women are talked about isn't still an issue in a lot of circles. Not only celebrities, but you would be exhausted if you had to hear how i have to justify my enjoyment of the NFL to a lot of people now that Taylor has "ruined it" or whatever they say. I liked it before but even if didn't...who cares? Why do people act like there is never enough room at the table for everyone?
I’m a lifelong swiftie with a Football Husband™️ and this slapped. Sending it to him to spread the good word. A balanced take as usual from our boy HJM. (I can hear him giggling from the other room)
i'm not a taylor swift fan, nor did i know who this football man is, but dang you made me interested in this. The fact that the first part of the video was called UNHhhh may have had a role as well..
This was such a cool video. The lighter commentary world feels stale lately (for me) yet topics you think are exhausted can still make you see things differently. I didn’t grew up rooting for a team but I’ve had the chance of watching big and small games with friend who were avid fans in the stadium and it’s an infectious feeling. (I’ve only been to European football). The part about your mom was so sweet.
If you thought it was insane watching this all go down on the internet. I want you all to know it was 1000x crazier In Kansas City itself. People were talking like they personally knew Travis Kielce personally. 😭 I couldn’t escape this shit for WEEKS
you are the most adorable and wholesome person i have ever come across on this platform and i would watch you A D all day. your mom better be proud of the young man she raised!!!!
I just wanna add that only Americans care/know about the NFL. Taylor is an international superstar, she absolutely does not need help from the NFL to increase her popularity at the height of her career. She might even be introducing American football to non-Americans. Great video btw.
All the disgusting misogyny aside, it's laughable to me that someone would suggest that she needs the NFL for fame 😅 Like, I live in Europe. No one knew who Travis Kelce, or the Kansas City Chiefs were before Taylor Swift showed up. Why? Because the NFL is limited to America. This is the internet, not America! Like if Dua Lipa started dating Marcus Rashford (a premier league football player, national treasure and all-round gem of a human being), would these same "commentators" still be saying the Dua Lipa needs FIFA? Equally, she would not be saving the English Premier League, lol. The tiktok at 04:56 absolutely sent me though 😂
the most influential/important musician of the 21st century (thus far) is probably some Berklee alum songwriter whom most people will never know the name of
The idea that Taylor is using the nfl for fame is fucking hilarious. Anyone who isn’t American can easily tell you that outside the US, Taylor swift is vastly more popular lmao. Anyway I love your point about the joy that these things bring us, I think it doesn’t really matter what you love so long as it doesn’t hurt anyone and I hope to understand American football more one day!!!
Weirdly enough idk if its still a thing but if you remember what was said in a tiktok you can just search the words that were said. Ive done it like twice and the video i was looking for showed up i thought it was so weird but really useful cuz I normally cant remember creators names but i can remember the exact words said in the video
I am so glad that you recognise how banger some of Trump's quotes are. He is a terrible human being but he has such a knack for quotable lines when it comes to his insults/comments on people. Just wish he was still a washed reality tv star instead of the ex-president!
I’ve always been a football fan, but my true love is the beautiful game. Taylor Swift dating Kelce is fine, but I won’t truly be excited until Ice Spice starts dating Roy Hodgson. I’ve always had an inkling that Ice Spice is proper Palace but we can’t know for certain till she proves it by dating Woy.
Not trying to critique but I did find it interesting that while you compare the joy the two worlds share, you also didn’t compare how they’re probably alike in the aftermath either. There is absolutely no way on this earth that multiple theaters of Swifties haven’t left hurricane levels of mess behind. That could also be a point of comparison not taken. Though I also don’t think it’s a completely fair comparison noisewise, since the whole city would practically be at bars being rowdy so noise bleed over would be normal, while the Swifties would be bleeding over in a setting where loud singing and noise is not commonly allowed and actively ruins others’ experiences for the movie they paid for.
thank you for summarising all of this. I've been vaguely curious about it for awhile but I never have time or energy to look into this shit. a show I'm playing in opened last night, I don't have time to read about switfie drama rn
What I really like about most of the Swiftie fandom is how inclusive it is. And last year I fell in love with women’s football (soccer for you Americans). And I stayed because the community is just the same - very supportive and loving and just amazing. And I really hope that everyone finds something like that - a sport you love and feel supported by.
i think it's a bit unfair comparing the swifties being passionate about taylor swift's music (which music in general is known to move people) and doesn't cause any harm to people around to bunch of grown men who get violent towards people around them especially women when their team loses. this is definitely a nuanced conversation but there are literal studies and statistics about increase in domestic abuse in households during big sports tournaments. i've experienced the way these sports enthusiasts are treating the swifties like they are wrongly infiltrating their "space" which can't be gatekept and the endless misogyny towards taylor, it's actually ugly. i feel these are two different demographics that might never mix fully.
That clip of those dudes talking about Taylor and Travis like that was genuinely disturbing 😭
genuinely disturbing yet somehow at the same time sooo unserious......sex video? Lauren Bobbit??????? I mean come on
It's disgusting. I don't believe they are in any relationships either unless there's an ugly sex tape of them doing it. 🤮
Oh my god, I just got to that part and wanted to retch. What is with these type of guys?!?
@@baby.yogurtI wonder if he was conflating Lauren Boebert with Lorenna Bobbitt, who famously detached her husbands P with her mouth....
as a huge taylor swift fan i agree that the criticism of her is valid. its so ridiculous that there are actual things that these people could be pointing to as i guess defects in her character (carbon emissions, etc) but instead they are just gross and misogynistic and its clear that they just view her as less than because shes a woman. also yes stan no body no crime
comparing sports to theatre suddenly makes so much sense to me why i'm such a big theatre nerd and an equally big phillies fan. I always thought I was in two totally different genres of fandom (and for the most part i am given the types of people in each) but I'd argue that philly sports lately have been ESPECIALLY theatrical, what with the phillies not being in the playoffs for ten years and then making it to the world series last year. I get the same chills from bryson stott's grand slam as I do from hearing jeremy jordan belt his little heart out in the last note of santa fe. EVERYTHING IS COMPARABLE and i can't believe it took me this long to realize. thanks harry!
edit: YES TO THE NO BODY NO CRIME HYPE
The quote of the day, " That collective human joy is so important, especially nowadays. " well said sir, well said.
Please don’t take this as a backhand compliment but I really enjoyed how you rambled from topic to topic in this video. Felt just like how me and my friends talk.
no body no crime IS a fking banger
Nothing like a good happy cry on a Saturday afternoon. Thank you for those memories honey and all those times we went to Dodgers and Kings games. ❤️
Aww, an appearance from Mama Miller! Greetings from the HJM fansbass
This is the best thing ever. I enjoy football with my family too. I also happy cry 😆 you must be so proud of your boy. He is hilarious and insightful!
“Dave portnoy is the patron saint of making the internet a worse place” this sentence changed my life thank you
Nice video. I find this obsession with her bizarre, yes I’m a fan, but this negative obsession with her is irrational. The comments about her, she has every right to be there, its not her fault the nfl lost their minds and want to benefit from her presence. But the fans. its amazing to hear. “these people don’t even know the game”, “these fans are not real fans, what’s going to happen when they break up”, “if they lose, its going to be her fault”. I mean the weight of the entire season seems to be on her shoulders. But, my question is why does it matter why these people have started watching the nfl, isn’t it a good thing? do they not understand that the nfl has tried to get female watchers for decades? Not only that, but Taylor is the biggest international superstar right now, a lot of her fans do not even know the game of football because football is a North American sport. And this has encouraged them to LEARN ABOUT A GAME THATS NOT EVEN IN THEIR COUNTRY! Do they understand that impact she has? NFL fans are criticizing it as bizarre to start watching a sport because of this parasocial relationship with her. Well, i find it to be actually normal. That’s how people learn new things, get introduced to them. When Joe Montana moved from the 49ers to KC, I started watching KC. Did it matter why? No. When Peyton Manning moved to Denver, Indianapolis fans started watching the Broncos. Did it matter why? No. when you move to a new city and find new friends who like this new kind of music, you adapt and go with it, does it matter why? You start dating someone new and they like country music and you let that into your world, does it matter why? They want to watch NFL on sundays, so that’s what you do too. Does it matter why? Does it matter if my non-serious boyfriend from college, some 35 years ago, liked the Yankees, so I root for the Yankees still today. I moved to a new place and met a bunch of English blokes that watch English soccer, so I learned the game and watched with them. Does it matter why? No? It brings a smile to my face. Remembering watching Joe MOntana reminds me of watching football with my dad and that brings a smile to my face. It does not matter what brings people to try new things, and it may last a season, a few years, but usually that fondness at least brings a smile to their face decades later. The NFL gained female viewership, like 60%. Thats amazing. Does it matter why? Does it really matter that they are watching because Taylor? To be honest. Its not entirely because they think she will be there at all. Her fans support what she supports, its unlike any other fandom. If she supports the Chiefs, they will. Watch the viewership stay up (maybe not as far up) while she leaves for tour with no chance of her being there. Watch people still tune in. Her wearing that Erin Andrews jacket to the last game, it sold out in like an hour. Her fans support what she supports. If she likes a movie, her fans will see it. If she is friends with another artist, they listen to their music too. They now watch the Kelce podcast, not because they think she will be on it, but to support Travis. NFL fans need to get on board and realize she has done nothing wrong, is bringing not only a new female fan base to the NFL, but an entire international viewership previously untapped (well, they may or may not be able to view but they are following online and in chats). Does it matter why these new fans are interested? NO. They are. and that’s a good thing. There is no need to shoot it down, insult it, be afraid of it. And some (few, but there are some) have reciprocated and decided to listen to Taylor’s music. Does it matter why they decided to do so? NO. I wish the NFL fans would understand this is really the best thing to happen to the NFL in decades, and she is not an enemy. Right now everything she touches turns to gold so I say jump on the bandwagon because she is a lucky charm.
"The NFL market is for grown men not teenage girls" i literally got into football when I was a teenage girl lol wtf these out of pocket takes on the Kelce/Swift thing is incredibly unhinged 😂 also great video, I loved what you said about sports being improv, it really is so fun to watch :)
plus, lots of in-trend things are decided from teenage girls. as much as everyone gets tired of seeing cameras cut to her, why would the nfl cut their profits by closing their market off only to grown men 😭
no literally lol @@achewy7700
never been a taylor swift fan but something about the communal obsessiveness within her fan base is so captivating to me
no body no crime is a banger
I love how unique this topic is. I feel like your videos always show me something fun or new but as a swiftie and not a sports fan I had no idea Taylor Swift was affecting football this much lmao.
Hank Hill would be really angry about the astro turf on football fields.
"god dang it bobby, they're not letting my cowboys play on the grass anymore"
The NFL Players Association agrees lol fuck turf
I am a Chiefs fan and a Taylor Swift fan so this has been buckwild for me. I have been to Chiefs games. I was in the second row at the Eras Tour. I genuinely hope both of them find happiness.
You are a local celebrity at this point with all this knowledge you have
I always loved football, and watched it weekly with my dad every season growing up. Then I moved out and i forgot about it. Taylor got me back into caring about and watching football and it's been so fun. I really liked this video because yeah she has her own issues but i like her and i like her music and i think she, like everyone, deserves to be happy. I think your break down was really good and i appreciated it because as someone who has been a fan of hers for a long time, sometimes I feel like i get written off because im just "obsessed" with her. So it was nice to hear these points coming from someone who is more neutral. I agree the bigger issue isn't about Taylor but she is a huge figure who is easy to use as proof of how misogyny still exists and people need to be aware and not act like the way women are talked about isn't still an issue in a lot of circles. Not only celebrities, but you would be exhausted if you had to hear how i have to justify my enjoyment of the NFL to a lot of people now that Taylor has "ruined it" or whatever they say. I liked it before but even if didn't...who cares? Why do people act like there is never enough room at the table for everyone?
I’m a lifelong swiftie with a Football Husband™️ and this slapped. Sending it to him to spread the good word. A balanced take as usual from our boy HJM.
(I can hear him giggling from the other room)
I'm not a swiftie or a sports fan but I will watch Harry talk about anything
Harry I don’t know how much longer I can go without an episode video, I’m on the edge of my seat here, the edge of madness even.
i'm not a taylor swift fan, nor did i know who this football man is, but dang you made me interested in this. The fact that the first part of the video was called UNHhhh may have had a role as well..
get you a girl who is out indefinitely! (mononucleosis)
This video is more interesting than the title indicates. Good stuff
this video is awesome as it fits my incredibly niche trio of nfl fan, swiftie & harry james miller enjoyer perfectly
This was such a cool video. The lighter commentary world feels stale lately (for me) yet topics you think are exhausted can still make you see things differently.
I didn’t grew up rooting for a team but I’ve had the chance of watching big and small games with friend who were avid fans in the stadium and it’s an infectious feeling. (I’ve only been to European football). The part about your mom was so sweet.
If you thought it was insane watching this all go down on the internet. I want you all to know it was 1000x crazier In Kansas City itself. People were talking like they personally knew Travis Kielce personally. 😭 I couldn’t escape this shit for WEEKS
you are the most adorable and wholesome person i have ever come across on this platform and i would watch you A D all day. your mom better be proud of the young man she raised!!!!
I’m very proud. Harry’s a terrific son and a smart, kind man. 😊
wow, that donald trump impression was really spot on!
UNHHHH REFERENCE!! a man of taste!!!!!
i didn’t know about any of this, so this was a ton of fun to learn about. love your videos, harry!!
taylor swift achieved something almost impossible (making ppl outside of the us give a shit about the nfl) so just for that ure right
😂😂😂😂
I just wanna add that only Americans care/know about the NFL. Taylor is an international superstar, she absolutely does not need help from the NFL to increase her popularity at the height of her career. She might even be introducing American football to non-Americans.
Great video btw.
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I really like her capital one commercial lmao. I think it's cute.
All the disgusting misogyny aside, it's laughable to me that someone would suggest that she needs the NFL for fame 😅
Like, I live in Europe. No one knew who Travis Kelce, or the Kansas City Chiefs were before Taylor Swift showed up. Why? Because the NFL is limited to America. This is the internet, not America! Like if Dua Lipa started dating Marcus Rashford (a premier league football player, national treasure and all-round gem of a human being), would these same "commentators" still be saying the Dua Lipa needs FIFA? Equally, she would not be saving the English Premier League, lol.
The tiktok at 04:56 absolutely sent me though 😂
damn i knew some people were mad about it but i didn’t know it was this bad
the most influential/important musician of the 21st century (thus far) is probably some Berklee alum songwriter whom most people will never know the name of
I love that I can relate to your love of the fumble dimension, I have to watch it more but I've watched the basketball version and loved it
The idea that Taylor is using the nfl for fame is fucking hilarious. Anyone who isn’t American can easily tell you that outside the US, Taylor swift is vastly more popular lmao. Anyway I love your point about the joy that these things bring us, I think it doesn’t really matter what you love so long as it doesn’t hurt anyone and I hope to understand American football more one day!!!
I thoroughly enjoy your sense of humor and commentary videos. Make more!
(And hangout with me because I live in New York too haha) 😅
Weirdly enough idk if its still a thing but if you remember what was said in a tiktok you can just search the words that were said. Ive done it like twice and the video i was looking for showed up i thought it was so weird but really useful cuz I normally cant remember creators names but i can remember the exact words said in the video
we need to harness the power of the swifties to get kansas city to change their name
we need to get taylor to date someone in atlanta so the braves change their name and stop doing the chop
I am so glad that you recognise how banger some of Trump's quotes are. He is a terrible human being but he has such a knack for quotable lines when it comes to his insults/comments on people. Just wish he was still a washed reality tv star instead of the ex-president!
I’ve always been a football fan, but my true love is the beautiful game. Taylor Swift dating Kelce is fine, but I won’t truly be excited until Ice Spice starts dating Roy Hodgson. I’ve always had an inkling that Ice Spice is proper Palace but we can’t know for certain till she proves it by dating Woy.
You should get into hockey. It's even more theatrical than other sports cuz fights are allowed.
Not trying to critique but I did find it interesting that while you compare the joy the two worlds share, you also didn’t compare how they’re probably alike in the aftermath either. There is absolutely no way on this earth that multiple theaters of Swifties haven’t left hurricane levels of mess behind. That could also be a point of comparison not taken. Though I also don’t think it’s a completely fair comparison noisewise, since the whole city would practically be at bars being rowdy so noise bleed over would be normal, while the Swifties would be bleeding over in a setting where loud singing and noise is not commonly allowed and actively ruins others’ experiences for the movie they paid for.
this is a really good point!
shoutout to ms james miller
The visual of a tiny crab 🦀 in the wallet 😂
It's literally just her usual boy toy to song/album pipeline like everyone needs to chill💀💀
NFL fans calling celebrity worship culture toxic is so funny to me
can you please do a review of taylor Lorenz' Extremely Online book ?
yeah I don't support ANY sort of terf
thank you for summarising all of this. I've been vaguely curious about it for awhile but I never have time or energy to look into this shit. a show I'm playing in opened last night, I don't have time to read about switfie drama rn
justice for baby spice🗣
What I really like about most of the Swiftie fandom is how inclusive it is.
And last year I fell in love with women’s football (soccer for you Americans). And I stayed because the community is just the same - very supportive and loving and just amazing.
And I really hope that everyone finds something like that - a sport you love and feel supported by.
I am actually shocked you play fantasy
omg are you a trixie and katya fan harry
yes!!!
i think it's a bit unfair comparing the swifties being passionate about taylor swift's music (which music in general is known to move people) and doesn't cause any harm to people around to bunch of grown men who get violent towards people around them especially women when their team loses. this is definitely a nuanced conversation but there are literal studies and statistics about increase in domestic abuse in households during big sports tournaments. i've experienced the way these sports enthusiasts are treating the swifties like they are wrongly infiltrating their "space" which can't be gatekept and the endless misogyny towards taylor, it's actually ugly. i feel these are two different demographics that might never mix fully.
10/10 donald trump impression
this emma bunton erasure will not stand
Why did you make Trump sound like an elderly Confederate woman?
Great Donald Trump impression tho
harry is confirmed to be anti baby spice
hate to say it but football is disgusting
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Beyonce is overrated