How to with a HARD integral with a DOUBLE integral!

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  • I know we haven't done a hard integral for a while now, so let's integrate ((1-e^(-t))/t)^2 from 0 to infinity. I didn't use Feynman's technique of integration for this since the denominator is t^2, but I used a double integral to solve this one! Surprised? Watch the video to find out my solution!
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  • @blackpenredpen
    @blackpenredpen  4 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    Using Feynman's technique TWICE! (the integral of sin^3(x)/x^3 from 0 to inf)
    th-cam.com/video/weZLETAIDEk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=rns_1h9G4MbG5oDS

  • @yuri117_br
    @yuri117_br 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +129

    BPRP please never stop posting you are the GOAT

  • @aniruddhaghosh1303
    @aniruddhaghosh1303 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +78

    I do see all of your videos from India. I'm 63 year old. Whenever I see your video I always feel sorry for that I didn't get a teacher like you in my yearly life.
    You are such rare class of teacher who can make the learning fun and enjoyable.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  4 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

      Thank you so much for you nice comment! I am very happy to hear this!

    • @aniruddhaghosh1303
      @aniruddhaghosh1303 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Will you please make a video to find the coordinates of the points of intersection of two intersecting circles.

    • @leonardobarrera2816
      @leonardobarrera2816 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@aniruddhaghosh1303 thar is a nice tho
      Mmmm, well, a clue that I can give you is that, don't think on a function world accepted by school
      Just, plug the same varibles and use the quadratic formula for find out y [f(x)]
      That is something that works out

    • @junkgum
      @junkgum 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Distance formula at certain coordinates?

    • @leonardobarrera2816
      @leonardobarrera2816 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@junkgum mmm
      Sqrt[(y2-y1)^2+(x2-x1)^2]
      If I am not bad

  • @cdkw2
    @cdkw2 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

    Hey bprp I am hosting a Integration Bee in my school and I included many integrals from your 100 integrals, so glad that you provide such good resources!

  • @paya4030
    @paya4030 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    This channel has mostly everything one could need for calculus I to III

  • @allmight801
    @allmight801 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Finally my guy does hard stuff again. Would love to see some complex integration stuff via Residue Theorem.

    • @domedebali632
      @domedebali632 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Dr PK Math does it much

  • @klerulo
    @klerulo 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Bprp: This integral is hard. To solve it, I'm going to make it WAY more intimidating first.

  • @Happy_Abe
    @Happy_Abe 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

    In general we can’t always use Fubini so some justification in that step is required

    • @alphazero339
      @alphazero339 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      What exactly would I have to prove here to be able to use it

    • @Happy_Abe
      @Happy_Abe 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@alphazero339you’d have to prove(or already know) that the function f(x,y) is integrable in the product measure space. Meaning that when you integrate |f(x,y)| over XxY with respect to the product measure on XxY(these things have to be properly defined using measure theory), then this gives a finite value. Then we can take the integral of f(x,y) (without absolute values) over the product measure space and evaluate it as a double integral and exchange the order in which we integrate.
      In practice, we can more easily use Tonelli’s theorem here: If f(x,y) is non-negative and measurable then we always have this equality, but the integrals may not be finite. In the video’s case, the exponential function is always non-negative and is measurable so this works and no need to even verify Fubini!

    • @almightysapling
      @almightysapling วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      People often say "Fubini" to mean "Fubini-Tonelli" so no justification is needed IMO.

    • @Happy_Abe
      @Happy_Abe 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@almightysapling if so then fair, but still something worth thinking about. And even Tonelli needs the basic justification that the functions are positive and measurable which they are

  • @umylten4142
    @umylten4142 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Feynman's technique works fine. I set up I(x) = the same integral where the integrand is multiplied by exp(-xt). Take the second derivative which is easy to find (just a bunch of exponentials to integrate), and then using that I''(x), I'(x) and I(x) approach 0 when x goes to infinity, you can find I(x) by integrating twice. If I didn't mess up, you get:
    I(x) = x•ln[x(x+2)/(x+1)²] + 2ln[(x+2)/(x+1)]
    which leads to the expected result I(0) = 2ln(2) = ln(4) (technically that final calculation is a limit calculation because of the first term, but it works fine).

    • @MichaelMaths_
      @MichaelMaths_ 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I though of the same possible parameterization too. Nice work!

  • @Intu_369
    @Intu_369 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Wow I've suffered to solve this question but you really did it with the simplest way. Great 👍❤

  • @alex_ramjiawan
    @alex_ramjiawan 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I just watched Pk's response to this using complex analysis and Big O notation. Its pretty cool too.

  • @redrosin99
    @redrosin99 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So nice to recall my undergraduate calculus classes.
    I studied at the Technion, Israel and you are certainly on the level to teach there.
    Thank you so much for your wonderful explanations!

  • @richardhole8429
    @richardhole8429 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As ancient is my Calculus, I can still follow your work andvunderstand it. And watch woth excitement!

  • @ДанилоФилонов
    @ДанилоФилонов 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love math, especially when such beautiful puzzles and solutions came out, that's just gorgeous, so beautiful and awesome, Please never stop seeking for such brilliants of math, that is indeed joyful thing)

  • @IoT_
    @IoT_ 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I think, first time I saw "reverse Feynman/Leibniz's rule" on the channel of Michael Penn.
    That's a very nice approach 👍🏽

  • @rockstarayan1959
    @rockstarayan1959 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    You are the best mathematician 🎉

  • @tambuwalmathsclass
    @tambuwalmathsclass 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Incredibly incredible ❤❤

  • @dudl2945
    @dudl2945 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The kind of smile I had watching this video probably can't be achieved by any other entertainment thing in this world. What a nice way to solve it

  • @walidability
    @walidability 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Actually this is a beautiful solve, I really enjoyed its simplicity.

  • @Szynkaa
    @Szynkaa 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    lovely tricks

  • @actualRocketScientist
    @actualRocketScientist 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I used to think I was smart but don't think I would have ever thought of that solution method. It was originally thinking of utilizing hyperbolic cosine and sine

  • @nuclearrambo3167
    @nuclearrambo3167 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I think properies of laplace transform or residue theorem can be used

  • @Mario_Altare
    @Mario_Altare 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    IBP twice and then Gamma function is your uncle (and your friend):
    I = -2 ∫_0^∞ [2e^(-2t)-e^(-t)] ln⁡ t dt = 2γ - 2 ln 2 ∫_0^ e^(-v)⁡ = 2 ln 2 = ln 4

    • @tommyliu7020
      @tommyliu7020 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Are you differentiating the numerator and integrating the denominator?

    • @Mario_Altare
      @Mario_Altare 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@tommyliu7020 Yes, I did a first IBP letting dv = 1/t^2 and u = [1-e^(-t)]^2; then I've repeated this procedure with the resulting integral, obtaining
      -2 ∫_0^∞ [2e^(-2t)-e^(-t)] ln⁡ t dt

  • @RoyalYoutube_PRO
    @RoyalYoutube_PRO 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Can't you just use Gamma Integral after opening the bracket and splitting the numerator??

  • @neriya-bd
    @neriya-bd 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    lovely solution

  • @6612770
    @6612770 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Mind Blown

  • @user-mf7li2eb1o
    @user-mf7li2eb1o 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Im not even gonna try😂😂
    Taking calc 1 rn

  • @benjoshuayip2520
    @benjoshuayip2520 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Integrate by parts (differentiate the top, integrate the bottom) to get I = ∫ (-2e^-2t + 2e^-t)/t dt. Let x = e^-t to get I = 2 ∫[0,1] (x-1)/(lnx) dx, which can be solved by Feynman's.

  • @TechnoBeats1251
    @TechnoBeats1251 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Funny part is that Chat-GBT says that the solution is Pi^2/6 , i'm never asking him about integrals again.

  • @mathnerd5647
    @mathnerd5647 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I subbed to both bprp and Dr. PK Math, and watch both videos where they are using different methods, which are great

  • @MatrixMultiplication
    @MatrixMultiplication 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

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  • @aniruddhaghosh1303
    @aniruddhaghosh1303 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Will you please make a video on how to get the coordinates of points of intersections of two intersecting circles.
    Thank you.

  • @stevemonkey6666
    @stevemonkey6666 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    3 integral signs in a row😁👍

  • @UnTipoSinNombre
    @UnTipoSinNombre 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    VERY NICE

  • @عَمرُبنوليدالمسلم
    @عَمرُبنوليدالمسلم 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    To use Feynman's technique you first need to Differentiate the numerator and Integrate the denominator using IBP, then use the technique on the resulting integral.

  • @fdileo
    @fdileo 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Can you use the Fubini Tonelli's Theorem at 6:04?

    • @kristopherwilson506
      @kristopherwilson506 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yes, as the function is nonnegative and measurable, and the exponential function is nonnegative

    • @almightysapling
      @almightysapling วันที่ผ่านมา

      He literally says that's what he's doing 4 seconds before that.

  • @yurfwendforju
    @yurfwendforju 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    10nth grader from germany here.
    First intuition is to do DI w/ (1-e^-t) , 1/t^2

    • @alphazero339
      @alphazero339 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Why are you telling your grade

  • @namangoyal1297
    @namangoyal1297 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Cant we write this in the form of Exponential integral and the Gamma function?

  • @davidbrisbane7206
    @davidbrisbane7206 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    The answer is nearly always ln(4) 😂

    • @bjornfeuerbacher5514
      @bjornfeuerbacher5514 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Only in the cases when it's not pi²/6 or the Euler Mascheroni constant. ;)

    • @davidbrisbane7206
      @davidbrisbane7206 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@bjornfeuerbacher5514
      Indeed.

  • @HiddenKey_210
    @HiddenKey_210 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Triple integration is the bestest!

  • @AlokPatil-sz7er
    @AlokPatil-sz7er วันที่ผ่านมา

    Bro is not pregnant but he never fails to delivery

  • @Patapom3
    @Patapom3 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Amazing!

  • @sadi_supercell2132
    @sadi_supercell2132 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Integration by parts , integrate 1 over t^2 differentiate numerator , after that feynman trick works

  • @sovietwizard1620
    @sovietwizard1620 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I solved the indefinite integral normally by expanding it out and got the 3 normal integrals by itself and they were actually quite easy to solve. You get a slightly complicated expression involving Ei function. I did it this way to simplify it, but when I took the limit from zero to infinity, the infinity part became 0 and the other zero part was quite tricky as I had to solve for lim as t->0 of 2Ei(-t)-2Ei(-2t), I had absolutely o idea how to do this as this was in the form infinity - infinity indeterminate. I used wolfram alpha and apparently it was -ln4, but I'm still pretty confused lol.

  • @cdkw2
    @cdkw2 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    OMG new bprp pfp and video? Lets go!

  • @holyshit922
    @holyshit922 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I would start with integration by parts
    Then maybe Laplace transform

    • @holyshit922
      @holyshit922 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Integration by parts gives me
      2\int_{0}^{\infty}\frac{(1-exp(-t))exp(-t)}{t}dt
      Integrand and interval of integration hints me to use Laplace transform
      so i calculate Laplace transform
      L((1-exp(-t))/t) plug in s = 1 and double the result
      To calculate L((1-exp(-t))/t) it is enough to calculate L(1-exp(-t)) and integrate the result

  • @danielntoko2117
    @danielntoko2117 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very easy to solve!

  • @Nain115
    @Nain115 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I just did it in ChatGPT, and it says that the answer is (pi²)/6
    I told it that in bprp's video the answer was ln4, but GPT said that ln4 is the answer for the initial integral but without the square in the exponent

  • @AlokPatil-sz7er
    @AlokPatil-sz7er วันที่ผ่านมา

    Love you

  • @gabest4
    @gabest4 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Exactly the same value as the integral of 1/t between 1 and 4! Can we get to that from ((1-e^-t)/t)^2 somehow?

  • @OpPhilo03
    @OpPhilo03 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Which marker you use?! Please tell me us sir

  • @aashishkumar9658
    @aashishkumar9658 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    That's a brilliant approach 😳

  • @rauladrianbringasjimenez8656
    @rauladrianbringasjimenez8656 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    5:15 I didn’t understand, what theorem I’m missing?

  • @nornsoriya1257
    @nornsoriya1257 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hello teacher could you help me ? Limited X to infinity
    2x/(1+x^2 )×tan[(πx+4)/( 2x+3)

  • @weishanlei8682
    @weishanlei8682 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I am sure that this easy question can be solved bey o1 within 30 seconds.

  • @scottleung9587
    @scottleung9587 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Cool!

  • @perost1227
    @perost1227 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Are x and y greater than 0?

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yes bc those integrals go from 0 to 1

    • @perost1227
      @perost1227 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@blackpenredpen ahaaaa tyyy

  • @Silvar55x
    @Silvar55x 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    There's been some crackling on the mic in all the latest videos.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Could you please provide me the time stamps? Thanks.

    • @Silvar55x
      @Silvar55x 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@blackpenredpen It's pretty common occurance. Just in this video:
      0:00 - 0:05 about 7 times
      0:14 single one
      0:33 single one
      0:48 - 0:50 a couple
      And so on.
      It sometimes seems to correspond to movements of the mic, like the slight upward hand movement at 0:05. Could be a faulty connection or frayed wire.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thank you so much for pointing those out! I will see what I can do to fix it!

  • @toeknee3900
    @toeknee3900 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    New pfp!

  • @namangoyal1297
    @namangoyal1297 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Pls make a video on the Product integral and The Riemann Zeta function

  • @matei_woold_wewu
    @matei_woold_wewu 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Rip old pfp of bprp

  • @ValidatingUsername
    @ValidatingUsername 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Let t = x for mental simplicity sake and dt = dx.

  • @kift.
    @kift. 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    eZ.

  • @kyriakoskourkoulis1159
    @kyriakoskourkoulis1159 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Bro hellped me get through high school, next stop: college⚡💪

  • @ikerluqup5661
    @ikerluqup5661 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Lol😊

  • @stonecrane167
    @stonecrane167 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is too easy

  • @rehanalam3900
    @rehanalam3900 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    First viewer

  • @keymind117
    @keymind117 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    lobter 🦞

  • @newname5205
    @newname5205 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    You are literally the only math youtuber that i will watch for fun

  • @kaidenpink1771
    @kaidenpink1771 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Feynman's trick works really well if you parameterize the integrand as ((1-e^(-tx))/x)^2 Its derivative ends up being a constant function after an integral substitution, but you need to use feynman's trick a second time to find the constant

  • @nmaedu.100
    @nmaedu.100 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    great content