Hey, Hunter.. Something i have noticed after using Laser Guided Bombs in my MiG-27K for example is that the bombs have their own field of view for detecting the laser on the ground... Even if you use CCIP to aim the bombs, if they don't detect the laser designator, they are going to glide further away from the CCIP indicator... Basically, if you are flying slow, your CCIP indicator is going to be closer below your aircraft, but your bomb won't detect the laser, so the bomb is going to glide forwards and get wasted... Whenever a bomb is actually detecting the laser designator, you will see the words 'TRACK' or 'POINT' next to the bomb's name. Just make sure the laser designator is activated before you drop the bomb, so you can see if the bomb is detecting the laser or not. My recomendations to maximize the probability of impact, is try to go as fast as possible (so the bomb has more momentum) and try to dive on your targets (45 deg maximum)
Hello my friend, you let me pay attention to additional details about laser guided bombs and inspired me to make a short detailed tutorial about them, the video is done and will be uploaded in 2nd of October with your comment attached in the starting moments of the video. "POINT" word appears BEFORE the drop if the approach was relatively perfect, you are totally correct, in this video I didn't know there is a "POINT" signal and I was estimating my approach without the help of the computer. I know about "POINT" and "TRACK" for TV guided weapons, "POINT" means the TV lock on ground while "TRACK" means it captured the vehicle but that's a different story. Thanks a lot :)
Thing annoys me with the harrier is that the Targeting Pod doesent come with thermal like the Jaguars does, you have to research it on the final tier of upgrades :|
i haven't even bothered with the guided bombs and have been using the mavericks. If gaijin want to make guided bombs more realistic that is fine, but they need to add things like automatic bomb release for the paveways to make them more reliable. Anyways nice video.
They need to improve how the TV guided missiles/bombs work because they are basically unusable unless you are within 6km or less which by then it defeats the purpose of having range for safety. beyond that they lock-on to the ground and unless your target sits still for 45 seconds that means you arent going to hit anything.
I like way you explain things in the beginning and sometimes throughout. It'd be great to see more videos where you talk about why you go to where you are or how you think in certain situations.
One of the things I usually “friendly discuss” on Reddit is CAS being quite impactful in a “tank gamemode”. My man it is also not a defend from 2+ enemy jet fighters while being watched by mach 4 capable SAMs gamemode…
I don't think it's more realistic, it must be a bug. If the ccip shows the bomb would land near the vehicle then it should be accurate. The laser designator would not have to correct the trajectory too much. A hit should be achieved, not an overshoot.
Historically the Paveways had issues with energy loss while being guided in. Some pilots would wait until the bomb was close to the target before activating the laser so they could get more range from it
@@sentinelxcix2526 the issue hunter was talking about was the bomb overshooting despite the ccip reticle outer most bounds still being closer to the target than where it actually hit. Also your second statement makes little sense in the context of this video and his comment, they get closer to the target to get more range? Thats only needed if the target moves away relative to the drop point of the bomb, and in most cases when dropping bombs they do not do it at the maximum possible distance of the gbu, because of too many unknown variables they are almost never going to drop at the maximum range. So In a sense your statement is accurate, but at the same time its not accurate the way you stated it. Every gbu drop will be done closer to the target than the maximum theoretical distance, and its not done specifically for range, but to allow room for error.
It seems the main priority with the guided bomb you need to physically aim the bomb in the right direction so the seaker head and therefore the bombs fins to help guide it
Unfortunately Japan won't see any munitions like this until the F-15 and F-16 and that's if gaijin chooses to put them in with those aircraft. Germany already has F-4s with Maverick and only has to wait for the Tornado IDS for laser-guided bombs.
If only I actually had the damn patience to spade the f4e or get the a7e then I would love to do this, but with my luck I would just die immediately to enemy air
Hello Hunter, thing about CCIP is not realistic in terms of modern avionics. Nowadays you mainly use CCRP for guided bombs to guarantee a hit and it should be modelled in game correctly, not overshooting or anything. After all, irl you don't want to have pilot "estimate" the drop point from kilometers away.
Seeing you take down Su-25s was so satisfying also I admire your piloting skills to have avoided that mig-21 for so long especially at night watching the other 2 teammates get the jump on him was awesome! keep up the great videos
Theres another button u have to use to enable the bomb to follow the laser accurately for GBUs that use the laser use sight stabilization after u lock the laser youll see a second reticle appear on the target in the form of a circle, after you do that the bomb will follow the laser much more accurately, I watched Zenturion7s video on GBUs and that keybind is 100000% important for gbus without it ur pretty much dummy dropping them because they dont follow the laser lock
From my testing it seems the LGBs don’t even try to guide towards the target when dropped in level flight sometimes, I believe it might be that you need to point the bomb at the target to get a good lock before launching. This would explain why it overshoots CCIP when dropped in level flight but not in a dive.
I think the gr7 is a 4th gen aircraft But man that load out is such a great for cas I can agree the harrier gr7 is best plane for CAS in war thunder Thanks hunter for this cool video i hope your doing more of CAS videos with the GR7
One of them of course :) The more I test fly it I love it more but also I discover things that unfinished or need to be polished by Gaijin related to laser guided bombs and HUD.
Would be nice if we would get a range indicicator the bombs similiar to those on su25, helicopters etc. Would need to be more adaptable but that would do the trick
Great video, cant wait to get my hands on this harrier and play CAS :) Are you planning a video on new italian premium heli? I'm thinking about buying it but there are still not a lot of videos about it on youtube and I'd like to see you play it (:
I prepared a tutorial about laser guided bombs after I discovered some additional info about the, will be uploaded in 2nd of October .. I'm sure it will help :)
I don't mind being bombed by a jet or missiled by a heli, they are able to be countered by spaa...but these drones that spawn 5km directly above the map are getting old really fast.
Hello, I really like your videos, I have trouble with the keys and the configurations for the helicopters, can you show us your settings and keys to pilot correctly in a fluid way please. PS: Can you post them in the community space
i am not an anti-cas player, i love cas. but, i think if ground RB matches lasted longer and/or had larger maps, especially at top tier, it would help close the balance gap between cas and ground units. there isn’t a ton of incentive to take in spaa when you’re down to your last tickets and trying to clutch the game. perhaps bigger teams would help with this too. like EC but for ground RB
Yeah longer battles and big maps would be awesome, also I think Gaijin rushed making drones 750 SP the next day of the update, if they kept them 550 and adjusted the spawn location 4km back that would encourage more players to play SPAA I guess.
Better technology for sure .. Maverick D works at night and a targeting pod with thermal imaging are really something. The Mig is the faster and the better climber one of course.
The nerf as you are calling it is ahistorical as hell. It's a bug. LGBs like the paveway series are almost always dropped from straight and level with CCRP and have no issues finding the laser and guiding themselves. It's a bug, not a nerf.
It's gaijin picking and choosing which tech to implement or not on western vehicles to "balance" them. It's what they've always done and yeah it's BS. A few years later they add the "feature" and get praise for doing it as they've just done with aircraft fire extinguishers.
I meant the physics of bombs, before "Drone Age" the laser guided bombs in general were unrealistically flying in straight lines, like rockets .. currently Paveway II & III feel they have weight and they fall in a curve line. Now the whole thing needs more polishing for sure, still feels unfinished.
Dear Mr Hunter，harrier gr7 got a new bug after the latest update：the laser guided bomb cannot be locked on target at any time… I have reported this to gaijin but no one replied. Could you please test it to see if I am correct，and then report this to gaijin？ THX！❤
I just got the jaguar E bc I didn’t want to grind French aviation and for my ground 11.0 line up its a good addition but I’m really having problems to guide the bombs to the target sometimes I drop them and they just kinda disappear… any advice on optimal attitude and maybe angle of bomb dropping?
Will make a video includes all my thoughts about laser guided bombs soon, I hope it will help .. for now I recommend you drop your bombs in a dive, around -60 degrees, I don't recommend drop these bombs while level flying.
Hi, can you please test if you are able to see the cannon on ground target sight mode in cockpit? I'm unable to see it, it just isn't there. Also when I set my TPod to look on 1 place without locking a vehicle, it resets everytime I change camera view - I can't target bases with it in sim. Is that a bug?
@@thedarkartist3635 yeah sure, except you are dealing with extremely dumb ai targets and not broken cas with no gameplay as a tank as is the case in ground rb, like i get combined mode argument but this is simply not balanced at all and not fun on the receiving end
Hey, Hunter.. Something i have noticed after using Laser Guided Bombs in my MiG-27K for example is that the bombs have their own field of view for detecting the laser on the ground... Even if you use CCIP to aim the bombs, if they don't detect the laser designator, they are going to glide further away from the CCIP indicator...
Basically, if you are flying slow, your CCIP indicator is going to be closer below your aircraft, but your bomb won't detect the laser, so the bomb is going to glide forwards and get wasted...
Whenever a bomb is actually detecting the laser designator, you will see the words 'TRACK' or 'POINT' next to the bomb's name.
Just make sure the laser designator is activated before you drop the bomb, so you can see if the bomb is detecting the laser or not.
My recomendations to maximize the probability of impact, is try to go as fast as possible (so the bomb has more momentum) and try to dive on your targets (45 deg maximum)
Hello my friend, you let me pay attention to additional details about laser guided bombs and inspired me to make a short detailed tutorial about them, the video is done and will be uploaded in 2nd of October with your comment attached in the starting moments of the video.
"POINT" word appears BEFORE the drop if the approach was relatively perfect, you are totally correct, in this video I didn't know there is a "POINT" signal and I was estimating my approach without the help of the computer.
I know about "POINT" and "TRACK" for TV guided weapons, "POINT" means the TV lock on ground while "TRACK" means it captured the vehicle but that's a different story.
Thanks a lot :)
Wow thanks a lot. I knew I need to let the bomb see the laser but didn’t know about the point and track. Thanks a lot!!
@@Hunter_i86 I'm glad the information was helpful to you
@@Hunter_i86 hey you have thermals but you still only see targets if they move? how
The really big explosions really do make this game more fun to play
Thing annoys me with the harrier is that the Targeting Pod doesent come with thermal like the Jaguars does, you have to research it on the final tier of upgrades :|
Completely agree, the modification even shows it with a thermal image so you shouldn't have to research more to get it unlocked.
ItS bALaNCinG
A small price to pay for the best cas ingame
24:25 Ka-52 capturing the point xd
PS: Nice video Hunter, very relaxing, useful and funny 😄❤
I could litterally watch this for hoursss. I love the British harrier 2's
20:00 this night war is so delicous man..
i haven't even bothered with the guided bombs and have been using the mavericks.
If gaijin want to make guided bombs more realistic that is fine, but they need to add things like automatic bomb release for the paveways to make them more reliable. Anyways nice video.
I think they did this on purpose to make a bit more skillful.
I mean you don't even have that much competition in the GR.7 , aren't you?
@@majo3488 juste in my mig27 with a multi role loadouts waiting to merk him with r-60ms next time he climbs to my altitude lol
@@SMJ495 Me too but I still use 3 x FAB-250, 3 Kh-25MLs and 1 R-13M1 because I not even half way though the spading process.
They need to improve how the TV guided missiles/bombs work because they are basically unusable unless you are within 6km or less which by then it defeats the purpose of having range for safety. beyond that they lock-on to the ground and unless your target sits still for 45 seconds that means you arent going to hit anything.
I like way you explain things in the beginning and sometimes throughout. It'd be great to see more videos where you talk about why you go to where you are or how you think in certain situations.
Friend, your way of playing the game is always so oddly satisfying !
Keep on the good work !
Thanks :)
“Yeay fun getting bombed in a tank game mode…”
Sounds like a skill issue
One of the things I usually “friendly discuss” on Reddit is CAS being quite impactful in a “tank gamemode”. My man it is also not a defend from 2+ enemy jet fighters while being watched by mach 4 capable SAMs gamemode…
I don't think it's more realistic, it must be a bug. If the ccip shows the bomb would land near the vehicle then it should be accurate. The laser designator would not have to correct the trajectory too much. A hit should be achieved, not an overshoot.
Historically the Paveways had issues with energy loss while being guided in. Some pilots would wait until the bomb was close to the target before activating the laser so they could get more range from it
@@sentinelxcix2526 the issue hunter was talking about was the bomb overshooting despite the ccip reticle outer most bounds still being closer to the target than where it actually hit. Also your second statement makes little sense in the context of this video and his comment, they get closer to the target to get more range? Thats only needed if the target moves away relative to the drop point of the bomb, and in most cases when dropping bombs they do not do it at the maximum possible distance of the gbu, because of too many unknown variables they are almost never going to drop at the maximum range. So In a sense your statement is accurate, but at the same time its not accurate the way you stated it. Every gbu drop will be done closer to the target than the maximum theoretical distance, and its not done specifically for range, but to allow room for error.
Loved the captions; nice editing!
Thanks Toshio :)
Ive noticed the same with tv guided gbu's for the A-10 as well, steep drop angle at good height corrects the drop pretty well.
It seems the main priority with the guided bomb you need to physically aim the bomb in the right direction so the seaker head and therefore the bombs fins to help guide it
Correct, I shared my thoughts about them in this video th-cam.com/video/ZrFvtiwgkmE/w-d-xo.html
I wish Japan had the something like this. I don’t want to have to grind out a whole other tree just to try out guided munitions.
Same for Germany
Unfortunately Japan won't see any munitions like this until the F-15 and F-16 and that's if gaijin chooses to put them in with those aircraft. Germany already has F-4s with Maverick and only has to wait for the Tornado IDS for laser-guided bombs.
2:55 , the guy complained about getting bombed by planes in ground RB right after he himself used an Anti Aircraft vehicle
You mean *failed* at using an anti-air vehicle.
If only I actually had the damn patience to spade the f4e or get the a7e then I would love to do this, but with my luck I would just die immediately to enemy air
10:05 Boss, you killed a child!
For a British person this is just pure ASMR
2:50 guy in chat probably forgot that jets are apart of modern combat
Hello Hunter, thing about CCIP is not realistic in terms of modern avionics.
Nowadays you mainly use CCRP for guided bombs to guarantee a hit and it should be modelled in game correctly, not overshooting or anything. After all, irl you don't want to have pilot "estimate" the drop point from kilometers away.
Hello my friend, you are right .. but CCRP doesn't work with guided bombs in War Thunder.
Seeing you take down Su-25s was so satisfying also I admire your piloting skills to have avoided that mig-21 for so long especially at night watching the other 2 teammates get the jump on him was awesome! keep up the great videos
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks :)
@@Hunter_i86 what do u think is better? A10 or su25 for CAS?
@@CaghanVarli A-10 is better at guided weapons long range strikes and Su-25 is better when it comes to unguided weapons.
My accuracy before the update was really bad, I can’t imagine how much more I will miss now
Theres another button u have to use to enable the bomb to follow the laser accurately for GBUs that use the laser use sight stabilization after u lock the laser youll see a second reticle appear on the target in the form of a circle, after you do that the bomb will follow the laser much more accurately, I watched Zenturion7s video on GBUs and that keybind is 100000% important for gbus without it ur pretty much dummy dropping them because they dont follow the laser lock
Since I watched your vids on the GR.7* I've become way more potent with the bombs, such a massive payload for 0 drawback
Glad I could somehow help :)
27:21 that was close!
Cant wait for f-16’s with aim9L’s and sniper pods😩
From my testing it seems the LGBs don’t even try to guide towards the target when dropped in level flight sometimes, I believe it might be that you need to point the bomb at the target to get a good lock before launching. This would explain why it overshoots CCIP when dropped in level flight but not in a dive.
Sometimes the guided bombs are inconsistent, especially the earlier ones like the Walleye. When they do work they do a great job though.
Nice crane trick shot
I think the gr7 is a 4th gen aircraft
But man that load out is such a great for cas
I can agree the harrier gr7 is best plane for CAS in war thunder
Thanks hunter for this cool video i hope your doing more of CAS videos with the GR7
You are welcome brother, thanks for the kind comment :)
i think it would be sick to show these fights from different angles from replays
night battles would be so sexy for the eyes. please consider. hey you could even make short movies from these
Would you prefer Mavericks now? I would only use the larger bombs to potentially get multiple kills with one drop
Its a shame that only 3 nations get to do laser CAS.
I actually played against you in game for the first time today.
Cool! nice to meet you :)
Hunter would you say this is your favorite top tier cas right now
One of them of course :)
The more I test fly it I love it more but also I discover things that unfinished or need to be polished by Gaijin related to laser guided bombs and HUD.
30 minutes of warthunder pain
Would be nice if we would get a range indicicator the bombs similiar to those on su25, helicopters etc.
Would need to be more adaptable but that would do the trick
Great video, cant wait to get my hands on this harrier and play CAS :)
Are you planning a video on new italian premium heli? I'm thinking about buying it but there are still not a lot of videos about it on youtube and I'd like to see you play it (:
Thanks a lot, I still don't have the Italian\Turkish new helicopter .. maybe will get it in October.
@Hunter 12:30 18:25 are those missles lock and forget?
Sure, they are Maverick D, fire and forget TV missiles.
I can't set guided bombs to follow a target, the laser stays fixed in one place but doesn't follow the target =(
I prepared a tutorial about laser guided bombs after I discovered some additional info about the, will be uploaded in 2nd of October .. I'm sure it will help :)
I don't mind being bombed by a jet or missiled by a heli, they are able to be countered by spaa...but these drones that spawn 5km directly above the map are getting old really fast.
Yeah man, drones spawn location needs to be changed, at least shifted back 4km and let them keep the 4500m altitude.
@@Hunter_i86 I can agree to that, they are a cool new aspect to the game
Hello, I really like your videos, I have trouble with the keys and the configurations for the helicopters, can you show us your settings and keys to pilot correctly in a fluid way please.
PS: Can you post them in the community space
Hello my friend, for now just send me a DM on Discord and I will send you the controls file. Thanks a lot :)
So is this thing can hover like a heli and then shoot agm ?
Theoretically yes, at high altitude because Mavericks need all the help to reach to their targets.
i am not an anti-cas player, i love cas. but, i think if ground RB matches lasted longer and/or had larger maps, especially at top tier, it would help close the balance gap between cas and ground units. there isn’t a ton of incentive to take in spaa when you’re down to your last tickets and trying to clutch the game. perhaps bigger teams would help with this too. like EC but for ground RB
Yeah longer battles and big maps would be awesome, also I think Gaijin rushed making drones 750 SP the next day of the update, if they kept them 550 and adjusted the spawn location 4km back that would encourage more players to play SPAA I guess.
What voice mod do you use?
Armored Warfare Crew Voice mod
Watching the chat is great warthunder as much as I love it has such a toxic in game community some times lol great video tho amazing
Glad you enjoyed :)
@@Hunter_i86 do u have any tutorials for people new to these kinds of munitions ?
how do you shoot the FLR cannon, please
What is the FLR cannon, can you explain more please?
av8b when
@Hunter Is harrier better than mig 27k? In cas ofc.
Better technology for sure .. Maverick D works at night and a targeting pod with thermal imaging are really something. The Mig is the faster and the better climber one of course.
hello a question what is that sound mod you have
Hello, Armored Warfare Crew Voice mod.
Where can i find ur crew sounds
Why sad profile picture? This is the link live.warthunder.com/post/1032055/en/
Could you please do a video on your hot key setup? I'm so lost with guided bombs :(
Thank you 😊 💓
He made a community post about 3 months ago detailing all of the binds
@@kingderpington6082 I have only just joined and wouldn't know. :/
@@Hypnotic-tist Ik you didnt know thats why I let you know where to find what you wanted lol
The nerf as you are calling it is ahistorical as hell. It's a bug. LGBs like the paveway series are almost always dropped from straight and level with CCRP and have no issues finding the laser and guiding themselves. It's a bug, not a nerf.
It's gaijin picking and choosing which tech to implement or not on western vehicles to "balance" them. It's what they've always done and yeah it's BS. A few years later they add the "feature" and get praise for doing it as they've just done with aircraft fire extinguishers.
I meant the physics of bombs, before "Drone Age" the laser guided bombs in general were unrealistically flying in straight lines, like rockets .. currently Paveway II & III feel they have weight and they fall in a curve line. Now the whole thing needs more polishing for sure, still feels unfinished.
When people complain about CAS in chat I usually tell them to go play world of tanks if it bothers them so much.
What sound mod are you using?
Armored Warfare Crew Voice mod
How do you mount 25mm cannon with the targetting pod? Whenever I try to take both of them Gaijin refuses to mount them together
Attach the two guns first, then attach a laser bomb .. the targeting pod will automatically attached and will remove one gun pod only.
@@Hunter_i86 Thank you sire!
Dear Mr Hunter，harrier gr7 got a new bug after the latest update：the laser guided bomb cannot be locked on target at any time… I have reported this to gaijin but no one replied. Could you please test it to see if I am correct，and then report this to gaijin？ THX！❤
I just got the jaguar E bc I didn’t want to grind French aviation and for my ground 11.0 line up its a good addition but I’m really having problems to guide the bombs to the target sometimes I drop them and they just kinda disappear… any advice on optimal attitude and maybe angle of bomb dropping?
Will make a video includes all my thoughts about laser guided bombs soon, I hope it will help .. for now I recommend you drop your bombs in a dive, around -60 degrees, I don't recommend drop these bombs while level flying.
@@Hunter_i86 thanks, appreciate that 🤝🏼
Since we can spawn in planes on ground rb we should be able to spawn in tanks on air rb
But why?
Wow Harrier has to many flares while american jets like F14, F5E, F4E are limited to 60
Can anyone tell me how well the gbu 24 pave way iii works in war thunder
Video about studying laser guided bombs soon :)
I hope it will help
@@Hunter_i86 Ok thank you.
Hey Hunter are u sure that it was "close" air sup huh? xD
:D
Hi, can you please test if you are able to see the cannon on ground target sight mode in cockpit? I'm unable to see it, it just isn't there. Also when I set my TPod to look on 1 place without locking a vehicle, it resets everytime I change camera view - I can't target bases with it in sim. Is that a bug?
No CCIP cannon in the cockpit HUD, I reported it and I hope they will fix it.
@@Hunter_i86 aah okay, thanks. Looking forward to the gbu video
This modification to the guided bombs affect the walleye's? Did u think that can be a nerf for the A-7E? It's still a good cas option in your opinion?
I think it effects all gbu, I dont think it effects agm
I don't think Walleye is affected so much, still flying like a rocket lol.
@@kingderpington6082 the denomination of the Walleye it's AGM-62 but It Is a guided bomb, not an Air-to-Ground Missile
@@Hunter_i86 lol American Bias XD
Does this plane carry AGMs? It feels like the bomb is too slow for a kill.
Yeah four of them
I can say from experience that Mavericks are terribly unreliable compared to laser-guided bombs
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Literalmente crack welcome to war thunder
Am I the only one that noticed that the ani aliasing has gotten really bad this update?
Me when the Argentinian exchange student steals my sandwich.
Haha
Hello there :)
to much controls but i think with time I'll handle it
HuntChad we (or I) need japanese toptier bro ( iasked 5 times the da last vid's) :'(
Yeah I wouldn't mind seeing the new Japanese Type 16 prototype.
chat spamming is taking overhand.
Annoying and pointless.
the chat spamming thing is super annoying, nothing like not being able to communicate to your team because you communicated less than a minute ago
Very annoying
Hey, One_And_Lonely, go cry more its a combined arms game. Go play WoT.
Yeah he literally chose a game that prides itself on combined arms warfare. What a scrub
@@thedarkartist3635 you mean like air rb which is air only? but somehow we cant have tank only mode
@@wapniak666 I mean technically air RB is combined since you gotta deal with ground targets, not just other planes
@@thedarkartist3635 yeah sure, except you are dealing with extremely dumb ai targets and not broken cas with no gameplay as a tank as is the case in ground rb, like i get combined mode argument but this is simply not balanced at all and not fun on the receiving end
23:32 - 23:45 😯YUS Paveway III... but only 1 kill with it in this vid? 🥲