i'm a Barrow AFC supporter and last season when MK came to Barrow their fans had a flag saying FA Cup winners 1988 and something about the real Dons printed on it, i've never seen such a disgraceful flag at any football ground and i've been going to matches for over 40 years, i dread to think what Wimbledon fans would have made of it
Big up Salford stewards last season made them take it down, funny how all those who played in cup final regularly turn up at new plough lane ground, wouldn't be seen dead at mk stadium😊
Well said. I have a lot of time for Wimbledon as a Grimsby fan, and will be at your place on Saturday. We are awful by the way so you should beat us easy. MK are just a franchise and have nothing to do with the Wimbledon of old. Remember when we invaded Plough Lane with our inflatables .... ;_)
@@theprideofbellshill2224 this is so true! In other sports I watch, if the rivals of my team were in dire straits or about to go bankrupt, I would be legitimately concerned and hope they can pull through. I will be celebrating the day franchise gets relegated out of the league, hoping they decide to close up shop so I can sing “ding dong the witch is dead”
It's the curse that keeps on cursing. Stealing Wimbledon's local identity has only given them bad karma and bad luck. Meanwhile it continues to bless AFC Wimbledon. All MK are doing is raising the respect for AFC whilst damaging their own reputation. It's the gift that keeps on giving.
They should give up their spot in the league. They haven’t earned it. If they can start at the bottom and earn their spot in the league, they can call themselves whatever they want
MKFC was the real victim of Pete Winkleman’s unscrupulous behaviour. Milton Keynes had a team, and sacrificed them to the franchise rather than getting them promoted
@@Paul-eb4jp Just curious ... there are some EFL clubs that are "circling the drain", or whose owners have suffered financial problems and can no longer subsidize the club. Potential buyers are sometimes very hard to find. How would you handle those situations?
It's not just Wimbledon that were cheated. Non league clubs striving to get into the football league were denied that spot. MK Fraudsters. Horrible club.
Agreed, don't pretend that they are something they aren't, give up claiming the history of the real Dons...rename to something like MK FC, it won't make everyone happy but at least it would be a break from the past and allow the club a chance to develop its own identity.
Not quite sure it's right to call it merely a rivalry. It goes so much deeper. No surpise that the hatred comes mainly from one direction. Agree with other comments - the "Dons" should be dropped if franchise ever expect to be taken seriously
What's more controversial is the fact that fancy new stadium is being only partly used. There's a lot of much bigger clubs would LOVE to have a stadium like that.
MK's attendances are swollen by giving large allocations to away fans. This is most noticeable with larger clubs' fans sometimes outnumbering home fans. Parasite club
us luton fans are with yas. and i have west ham, newcastle and donny rovers fans in my family as well. everyone supports the real wimbledon football club. i email your lot every year to say how amazing i think they are. they always reply bless em
Their seats have so much give in them that you feel like you are sitting on a trampoline. If someone moves about in their seat 10 seats away, you feel like You're going to be catapulted out of yours.
@@TFSS do you mean it is spacious because as there were enough empty seats for each fan to have a choice of 3 seats each to choose from, seeing as that stadium is never more than a third full. ;-)
Excellent video and article thank you. Love the fact that you snuck in a Jacksonville Jaguars top too (did you think we wouldn't notice the franchise links)
It would be interesting how MK Dons fans would feel if someone, bought them and moved them to somewhere like Devon. Then changed their colours, and then changed their crest etc etc. Telling the truth and not bravado.
Before MK stole Wimbledon , they tried to steal Luton Town , MK horrible franchise supporting bunch of wannabes . Wimbledon & Luton Town proper traditional old school clubs.
Not a Wimbledon fan but sure pleased that they beat the franchise lot. If I had my way MK Dons would be kicked out of the football league and a proper club like York City, Barnet, Halifax, Gateshead or any of those locked in a fight for promotion from the Conference.
I am a Chelsea fan but my sympathies lie with AFC Wimbledon. I am 60 years old and I remember when Chelsea played Wimbledon FC at the original Plough Lane. What happened to Wimbledon FC angered not only Wimbledon fans but fans of many clubs from the top league to non league. MK Don's will always be hated and fans of other clubs will always have a soft spot for AFC Wimbledon. CFC 57 💙 💙⚽⚽💂💂🇬🇧🇬🇧🏴🏴
What doesn't make sense is that AFC Wimbledon had to start life in the Non League whilst MK started life in League One when it should have the other way round. MK are a franchise club with a stadium which is far too big and can never be filled.
@ why would I want to listen to that dribble🤣… skipped past it after you said “they are similar to a Wycombe or Northampton or Luton” but I know multiple Mk fans who think ALOT differently
And I’m speaking from personal experience so what I’ve said is entirely true. Unless you’re denying my own experiences of football which is a wild claim to be making?
It is a shame you are to young to have been to Plough Lane when Wimbledon played there. It was quite the experience to see football at that place. Their current stadium location was once a Stock Car and Greyhound racing track that my Dad would take us too, to see the cars not the dogs. Also an interesting stadium.
Most sane football supporters couldn't give a toss about MK other than the two times a year they play them. And seeing as the PL is now run as a sports franchise league with sports franchise clubs and owners with the "champions" league merely being a prelude to the ESL(FA Cup further trashed in order for CL franchise fans entertainment) and soon to be games abroad to entertain the milions of sports franchise fans over the world what does MK matter in the scheme of things?
Maybe the problem is that MK set the trend of the prementioned destruction of football! Ask dons fans whether MK matter....of course they do, they stole a club.....feck them....and hopefully they will go bust!@infrasleep
@@TurboThunda Not American, Just stating the obvious-football now is becoming a sports franchise with TV cash calling the shots. The old school fans are dying out/not going any more and the old game is dying. No point even trying to explain how huge the FA Cup used to be-it REALLY was on a par with winning the league with huge crowds for every round. Look at it now-even the 3rd and 4th tier clubs get tiny crowds and cant be bothered with it, scrapped basically because the TV sports franchise and the PL franchise clubs want more Euro games. The next step will be PL games played abroad then its a shoe in for the ESL and a closed shop PL. I dont want any of it, I want the old game back,but that's not going to happen, so franchise heaven it is. Too many have no idea of the game-think it was invented in 1992-in 1992 if I'd said what the game would be in 2024 you'd have said "You're ok with franchises Are you American"
The few idiots singing "You're not fit to wear the shirt" have quickly forgotten that the club had won three on the bounce in the league and gone from 19th to 8th in the 6 games since Scott Lindseys became manager.
Well done lad, you put the so called sports MSM to same especially The BBC. This match tells you everything you need to know abot modern football, the baggage and history between these two clubs is Franchise v Fans and REAL fans, not Ray from Plymouth life long Liverpool fan but never goes but is on 606 ASAP.
Combined Counties League is not park football. Sure previously it did have clubs like Tongham and Cranleigh on basic grounds yet sides like Badshot Lea and Raynes Park Vale have stepped up from it in more recent years. All grounds have to adhere to ground grading levels. Our club has played a few CCL clubs in the FA Vase before we got promoted to Step 4. It's a feeder to the Isthmian or Southern League a level which MK City were once at. You presented well though on this difficult subject!
No one want to comment that then chairman of Luton Town John Gurney wanted to buy Wimbledon and merge the clubs and in his words “ Buy a route in to Division one” So different options were about before the MK name change.
The biggest joke ever that this was ever allowed to happen in the first place every club has to earn their right to be a league club and just by magic milton Keynes were handed it just like that a complete injustice is putting it mildly
No one from Wimbledon want to mention that they were offered and rejected a variety of local sites including one at Beddington before a decision was made to move the club from London?
We need Milton Keynes to drop out of football League. Good win for Wimbledon fc.😮 You should go CLAPTON CFC, Perhaps for Non League day because they do pay what you want entry.😅 Go Colliers Wood fc and Raynes park vale, who have worse non league stadium in England a YT video say.
Controversial opinion : Franchise is a good idea, so long as CLUBS CAN'T MOVE LOCATION ! If the league held the clubs licence, then they could boot out unscrupulous owners and the club and their league status would be protected. This would stop many clubs from going bust ( Bury FC ) There would need to be other rules in place too to stop further mis-management though. And they would still need to be independently owned and ran properly.
How would Mk fans feel if they were abandoned, MK should have been forced to play through leagues from grass roots,non league clubs have to fight for league status,I blame the F A ,they know the price of everything and the value of nothing,it's Not Mk fault but they have no credibility,All the best to Wimbledon what they achieved is remarkable
would of been a lot better video if you did not have that no mark luke payne in it, he has been proved a liar, he is a shit stirrer and yet tries to portray himself as a mr goody two shoes, would of been an 8 out of 10 vid, but he sadly knocks it to a 5 out of ten, good to see you be truthful and an honest account of the game and the wimbledon fans vs the mk customers
I notice you take no problem with what I was saying so this appears to be a protest for the sake of protesting. Thanks for the glowing review though! ;)
it’s about time they become Milton Keynes FC and distance themselves from the whole ‘Dons’ thing, only way they have any possibility of having some kind of integrity as a club.
Not at all. The only people that should be allowed to make such a decision are the fans that followed the club from Wimbledon to MK. Removing Dons without consulting them would be far too disrespectful
@@lukepayne6664removing a football club, plopping it down somewhere else, and pretending it's the same club without consulting the fans is pretty disrespectful, don't you think?
Would love to know what you thought I said was wrong. Pretty much everything I said was backed-up with facts and I focused mostly on my own club. I even predicted the nature of the game to a tee, only getting the scoreline wrong
@@lukepayne6664 “I wouldn’t consider it too different to us playing Wycombe”. Your social media team were obsessed with us in the buildup to yesterday. Your manager called the fixture the biggest of the year asking for your fans to bring their aunties🤣. Saying the hate is one-sided is pure revisionism. Your fans give it to us just as much as we give it to you. Every time we play you at the Lane a bunch of franchise kids show up trying to give it the large like it’s still the 1980s.
MK are a disgrace to football. Shortcutters. If Milton Keynes wanted a football club they should have started at the bottom like everybody else. They should be reviled for as long as they exist.
With all due respect as it's largely a good video, please don't call it a derby. It's definitely not a derby. Even the term rivalry is controversial, but a derby has to be a game between local rivals and these 2 aren't local.
Hello Good video. Carlisle United fan here. We as football fans should indeed never forget this. It should never be allowed to happen again! EVER!! For AFC Wimbledon fans it is of course going to matter. The perception of MK with the wider football community is partly rooted in a fairly snooty attitude and perception of the town of Milton Keynes. Winkleman is and will always be more than just a ‘pantomime villain’. I think we should never forget but should move on from ‘hating’ Milton Keynes. I can’t help but be happy for Wimbledon though.
If Franchise gets relegated out of the league, then we can start moving on from “hating” them. Twenty years of Milton Keynes playing in a spot they didn’t earn is worse than 19 years of it, but better than 21 years. Heck, if they gave up their spot voluntarily and decided to start over in the combined counties league, they could name their club “True Dons 1988 FA Cup Champions” if they wanted as far as I’m concerned
MK is still playing in a spot they didn’t earn. They continue to be a disgrace to football right now, in the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty-four. If they want the animosity dropped, they can give up their spot in the league to the country’s top non-league side, drop the name Dons, and try to earn a spot in the league like everyone else did
@@aidanwotherspoon905 surely the blame lies with Wimbledon board, if they had run the club correctly it would still have been in existence as it was, can't blame mk for keeping it alive at the time, all beit 100 miles away
Any true Football fan would know, Football is built on its past. I have never been to MK, never will. If my team got them in a Final I wouldn't go. I want zero to do with MK. Lose the Dons, give the History back is a must. Drop down 6 divisions and build the way back up, OK, but still no for me. The fact they offer a Franchise Pizza in the Ground sums them up. ALWAYS a franchise, never a real football club. Not a Wimbledon fan, but always love when they stuff MK, would love to see them back in the Prem, just to help put right what was allowed to happen by the corruption of Football. Football has a proud tradition of Building from the roots, foraging a history to be proud of. Any MK fan that thinks they a football fan are just not. the Franchise, rent a crowd. Football stands United with Wimbledon FC (the A should be removed to give them their true name back)
We were told that no matter what we did, there was no chance of stopping the move of WFC to MK. I even have a letter from WFC director (or whatever his title was at the time) Charles Koppel, replying to my letter to him that the decision about the move was final and would not be changed.
We’ve always had a hardcore fanbase of a few thousand fans. Probably no different to Brentford or Bournemouth (although theirs have no doubt grown over the years). The move to Selhurst came when crowds in 🇬🇧 were at an all time low in the early 90’s. It was only after Euro 96 that things changed in that regard. Being homeless for 10+ years and playing home games in another part of London gave us little opportunity to build our fanbase and lay foundations while other clubs attendances were growing. If we hadn’t left Plough Lane when we did there’s no reason why Wimbledon couldn’t be a thriving Prem club today. Our demise in the early 2000’s no doubt helped Fulham who picked up plenty of Premier League fans. Not making the football league until 1977 and being surrounded by plenty of much bigger clubs, we were always going to be up against it in terms of competing against the Chelsea’s and other London clubs. Ultimately, we were too vulnerable as we were a championship club and had no ground or training ground, with owners who had no intention of returning the club to Wimbledon. At least our fans showed them the way.
Back in the 1970s when WFC were in the old southern league (non league, now National league level), we were getting average crowds of around 2,000 and then 9 years after entering the football league, we found ourselves in the 1st division (now premier) with a non league standard ground and a very short period in which to grow our fan base, and when you have bigger and well established traditional football clubs already on your doorstep our attendances aren't going to grow overnight, and that was one of the main problems for us back then, always playing catch up and with it being a time of hooliganism in football made it even harder to encourage new fans to come along. We climbed too high too quickly and couldn't catch up financially with top tier clubs getting richer and richer. It also didn't help that home clubs were allowed to keep the gate money instead of sharing it with the away team like they used to.
@@davidburgess189 , thank you for your well reasoned reply. I always understand these kinds of videos and why the general public hate the MK Dons, and they always will. I live in MK, we have STs, I didn't grow up an MK Dons fan (I'm too old), but my boys are and when you go there are thousands of young fans just trying to support their local team. There's a lot of backstory to the move, much of which isn't widely known and paint it in a better light, but putting it out there will never change people's minds. At some point hopefully the football community can move on. For example Arsenal never actually won promotion to the top flight, they were awarded it, but it was so long ago everyone has moved on.
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i'm a Barrow AFC supporter and last season when MK came to Barrow their fans had a flag saying FA Cup winners 1988 and something about the real Dons printed on it, i've never seen such a disgraceful flag at any football ground and i've been going to matches for over 40 years, i dread to think what Wimbledon fans would have made of it
Well, MK Dons grew out of the old Wimbledon before AFC thought of it, so I can see their point.
Egg cup is the only cup the Franchise have one ....well done the real Wimbledon AFC!!
Big up Salford stewards last season made them take it down, funny how all those who played in cup final regularly turn up at new plough lane ground, wouldn't be seen dead at mk stadium😊
@@1990-t1j MK had their own team that could have been built up. The owner just wanted a football team to play at a stadium he already owned.
@@1990-t1j”grew” is an interesting choice of verb.
As an AFC Wimbledon fan. We don't consider them as a rivalry. We never want to play them, we want them to go bust.
Well said. I have a lot of time for Wimbledon as a Grimsby fan, and will be at your place on Saturday. We are awful by the way so you should beat us easy. MK are just a franchise and have nothing to do with the Wimbledon of old. Remember when we invaded Plough Lane with our inflatables .... ;_)
@@theprideofbellshill2224 this is so true! In other sports I watch, if the rivals of my team were in dire straits or about to go bankrupt, I would be legitimately concerned and hope they can pull through.
I will be celebrating the day franchise gets relegated out of the league, hoping they decide to close up shop so I can sing “ding dong the witch is dead”
Brentford fan, soulless place. Used to stick us right in the corner. Would be great to see them go non league…..
MK need to rebrand and ditch The Dons tag! It's holding the club back, need to look forward and have their own identity!
NFFC Agreed
Think that's a great idea 👍 Might actually lessen some of the hatred?
It's the curse that keeps on cursing.
Stealing Wimbledon's local identity has only given them bad karma and bad luck.
Meanwhile it continues to bless AFC Wimbledon.
All MK are doing is raising the respect for AFC whilst damaging their own reputation.
It's the gift that keeps on giving.
They should give up their spot in the league. They haven’t earned it. If they can start at the bottom and earn their spot in the league, they can call themselves whatever they want
Get lost
The difference between the two sets of fans is so marked
A very well narrated and filmed video. Well done
Thanks!
Not potentially the most hated club but DEFINETLY the most hated club......Well done AFC Wimbledon.
Lol @ Franchise bootlickers telling players “you’re not fit to wear the shirt”. They played exactly the way that kit merits
If MK wanted a league club they should have started at grass roots level, not bought another club's place, they should also drop the Dons name.
MKFC was the real victim of Pete Winkleman’s unscrupulous behaviour. Milton Keynes had a team, and sacrificed them to the franchise rather than getting them promoted
@@Paul-eb4jp Just curious ... there are some EFL clubs that are "circling the drain", or whose owners have suffered financial problems and can no longer subsidize the club. Potential buyers are sometimes very hard to find. How would you handle those situations?
@Toxophilus If a club overspends and goes broke they go down and another club rises from the league below.
@@Paul-eb4jp Or they disappear completely and another club rises from the League below.
It's not just Wimbledon that were cheated. Non league clubs striving to get into the football league were denied that spot.
MK Fraudsters.
Horrible club.
Need new owners to Drop the Dons
Agreed, don't pretend that they are something they aren't, give up claiming the history of the real Dons...rename to something like MK FC, it won't make everyone happy but at least it would be a break from the past and allow the club a chance to develop its own identity.
Gotta love the wrestling takedown move near the end! 🤣
Say no to franchise football
Another great video. Keep em coming!
Thanks! Will do!
Great video mate, love the original style of presenting the pre match stuff and then the highlights. Impressive stuff👍🏻subbed
Thank you very much!
MK haven't worked for anything so it's easy to say that the rivalry isn't as strong from their side.
Not quite sure it's right to call it merely a rivalry. It goes so much deeper. No surpise that the hatred comes mainly from one direction. Agree with other comments - the "Dons" should be dropped if franchise ever expect to be taken seriously
Great vid mate, 1st video of yours I’ve watched and won’t be the last👍
Thank you very much!
Great video, well made and well done. 👏
Thank you very much!
What's more controversial is the fact that fancy new stadium is being only partly used.
There's a lot of much bigger clubs would LOVE to have a stadium like that.
Why is it partly used ? It actually looks beautiful and like a premier league level stadium
MK's attendances are swollen by giving large allocations to away fans. This is most noticeable with larger clubs' fans sometimes outnumbering home fans. Parasite club
Like arsenal 😂😂😂😂
I was there ! (Wimbledon obviously)
@@cattieshaw6057 Good for you! Love and respect from Carlisle United
us luton fans are with yas. and i have west ham, newcastle and donny rovers fans in my family as well.
everyone supports the real wimbledon football club.
i email your lot every year to say how amazing i think they are.
they always reply bless em
@ Luton! A fan base that were also treated in a despicable manner by the football authorities.
@@jimmycburfield5997 yep they done us two years in a row for the actions of crooked owners that weren't even still at the club!
Stadium MK is the nicest ground in the country.
Most comfortable anyway.
It is a great ground, very spacious and good food.
Their seats have so much give in them that you feel like you are sitting on a trampoline. If someone moves about in their seat 10 seats away, you feel like You're going to be catapulted out of yours.
it's just desolate in there. I'd take a full 10k old school ground over a huge 25k empty polished monument
@@JohnnyPeacock1959 It’s a lovely stadium, I can imagine one of those Southern based RU clubs taking it off their hands when they fold.
@@TFSS do you mean it is spacious because as there were enough empty seats for each fan to have a choice of 3 seats each to choose from, seeing as that stadium is never more than a third full. ;-)
MK Oilers are an embarrassment to the whole football community. Drop the Dons now
They should be called the MkDonald’s franchise. They’re closer to a fast food chain than a proper club
Well done. Well put together video. Keep it up!
Neutral here, just looking for something to watch. Very entertaining & very fair. I enjoyed it. Thank you.
Excellent video and article thank you. Love the fact that you snuck in a Jacksonville Jaguars top too (did you think we wouldn't notice the franchise links)
Thank you! Haha 😂
Excellent video, well done
Thank you!
It would be interesting how MK Dons fans would feel if someone, bought them and moved them to somewhere like Devon. Then changed their colours, and then changed their crest etc etc. Telling the truth and not bravado.
It’s a game of sport for God sake grow up children if you want to fight join the army, but I suppose that takes true balls to join the army
Well done AFC.
Before MK stole Wimbledon , they tried to steal Luton Town , MK horrible franchise supporting bunch of wannabes . Wimbledon & Luton Town proper traditional old school clubs.
Former Luton Town chairman John Gurney wanted to buy Wimbledon and merge the clubs to get into a higher division.
Not a Wimbledon fan but sure pleased that they beat the franchise lot. If I had my way MK Dons would be kicked out of the football league and a proper club like York City, Barnet, Halifax, Gateshead or any of those locked in a fight for promotion from the Conference.
this is brilliant. i loves me some stadiums, i love lower league footy and you are a likeable chap
Thanks, I’m glad!
@@TFSS ahaha ikr! you've been blessed by a rando and may you sleep sound tonight fella
Nice one. First time here. Subbed
Thanks! Much appreciated.
I am a Chelsea fan but my sympathies lie with AFC Wimbledon. I am 60 years old and I remember when Chelsea played Wimbledon FC at the original Plough Lane. What happened to Wimbledon FC angered not only Wimbledon fans but fans of many clubs from the top league to non league. MK Don's will always be hated and fans of other clubs will always have a soft spot for AFC Wimbledon. CFC 57 💙 💙⚽⚽💂💂🇬🇧🇬🇧🏴🏴
Enjoyed that mush, nice one. 16p in my local 7/11 for a bottle of water. 😂
The phrase “limbs” is so cringe now it’s embarrassing 😂🤦
What doesn't make sense is that AFC Wimbledon had to start life in the Non League whilst MK started life in League One when it should have the other way round. MK are a franchise club with a stadium which is far too big and can never be filled.
It was the old division one now the championship mk started where Wimbledon was when they were relegated from the premier League
Not a fan of either but AFC Wimbledon bypassed certain feeder leagues to take their place in The Combined Counties League and were happy to do so.
Interviewing the Luke was the worst thing you could have done…. He ain’t got a clue
I notice you don’t have anything to complain about other than the fact I was speaking. You don’t actually have any problem with what I said. 😂
@ why would I want to listen to that dribble🤣… skipped past it after you said “they are similar to a Wycombe or Northampton or Luton” but I know multiple Mk fans who think ALOT differently
And I’m speaking from personal experience so what I’ve said is entirely true. Unless you’re denying my own experiences of football which is a wild claim to be making?
Thanks for having me on mate, was good to chat to ya! 👍🏻
It is a shame you are to young to have been to Plough Lane when Wimbledon played there. It was quite the experience to see football at that place. Their current stadium location was once a Stock Car and Greyhound racing track that my Dad would take us too, to see the cars not the dogs. Also an interesting stadium.
They can try move on but the rest of the footballing world won't....they're franchise beeps and that's all they will ever be!!
Most sane football supporters couldn't give a toss about MK other than the two times a year they play them. And seeing as the PL is now run as a sports franchise league with sports franchise clubs and owners with the "champions" league merely being a prelude to the ESL(FA Cup further trashed in order for CL franchise fans entertainment) and soon to be games abroad to entertain the milions of sports franchise fans over the world what does MK matter in the scheme of things?
Maybe the problem is that MK set the trend of the prementioned destruction of football! Ask dons fans whether MK matter....of course they do, they stole a club.....feck them....and hopefully they will go bust!@infrasleep
@@infrasleep so u are ok with franchises taking over english football? are u american or something?
@@TurboThunda Not American, Just stating the obvious-football now is becoming a sports franchise with TV cash calling the shots. The old school fans are dying out/not going any more and the old game is dying. No point even trying to explain how huge the FA Cup used to be-it REALLY was on a par with winning the league with huge crowds for every round. Look at it now-even the 3rd and 4th tier clubs get tiny crowds and cant be bothered with it, scrapped basically because the TV sports franchise and the PL franchise clubs want more Euro games. The next step will be PL games played abroad then its a shoe in for the ESL and a closed shop PL. I dont want any of it, I want the old game back,but that's not going to happen, so franchise heaven it is. Too many have no idea of the game-think it was invented in 1992-in 1992 if I'd said what the game would be in 2024 you'd have said "You're ok with franchises Are you American"
You're a great presenter. Thanks
The few idiots singing "You're not fit to wear the shirt" have quickly forgotten that the club had won three on the bounce in the league and gone from 19th to 8th in the 6 games since Scott Lindseys became manager.
Great vid
Great video 😊
Thanks! 😊
@ I went game
Every time I see or hear about MK I can't help but think that their ground is too big for such a mediocre, second rate team who barely get 5,000 in
They thought that in a couple of seasons of it being built that they would be in the premier League.
Well done lad, you put the so called sports MSM to same especially The BBC. This match tells you everything you need to know abot modern football, the baggage and history between these two clubs is Franchise v Fans and REAL fans, not Ray from Plymouth life long Liverpool fan but never goes but is on 606 ASAP.
Combined Counties League is not park football. Sure previously it did have clubs like Tongham and Cranleigh on basic grounds yet sides like Badshot Lea and Raynes Park Vale have stepped up from it in more recent years.
All grounds have to adhere to ground grading levels. Our club has played a few CCL clubs in the FA Vase before we got promoted to Step 4. It's a feeder to the Isthmian or Southern League a level which MK City were once at. You presented well though on this difficult subject!
Good you saw us batter them, love the channel mate keep it up...
Ooh, a football vlog wth "limbs" in the title. How original!
come on the real dons! my head cannon says yous still have all ya trophies. so that must definitely add legitimacy
What camera do you use
It’s the iPhone 16 pro.
No one want to comment that then chairman of Luton Town John Gurney wanted to buy Wimbledon and merge the clubs and in his words “ Buy a route in to Division one” So different options were about before the MK name change.
Any seats available in the MK Dons section?
They should give the honours and history back to Wimbledon and drop the Dons from their name.
The biggest joke ever that this was ever allowed to happen in the first place every club has to earn their right to be a league club and just by magic milton Keynes were handed it just like that a complete injustice is putting it mildly
There is too much history between the clubs.It's joined at the hips, and it's in their blood DNA
We aren't joined at the hips thank you.
Why didn’t you speak to any Wimbledon fans? You know the proper Dons fans?
I had arranged to speak to 2 but both pulled out last minute. I also messaged several others who didn’t get back to me.
@@TFSSnot a dig, just thought we’d here the other sides perspective but that’s understandable
@@TFSS you could've just walked up to any AFCW fan and asked questions. Other people making vlogs did. No excuses for not doing so.
excellent t shirt sir!
Remember you're a womble 🔵🟡
I’ll always be grateful for my warm welcome when visiting in 2022 by the club!
No one from Wimbledon want to mention that they were offered and rejected a variety of local sites including one at Beddington before a decision was made to move the club from London?
A half deserted stadium?? For a big home game?? What a shocking club MK Dons are. Well done Wimbledon.
I knew the real dons would be victorious 👍
It's not a derby.
We need Milton Keynes to drop out of football League.
Good win for Wimbledon fc.😮
You should go CLAPTON CFC, Perhaps for Non League day because they do pay what you want entry.😅
Go Colliers Wood fc and Raynes park vale, who have worse non league stadium in England a YT video say.
Club will never get anywhere.
They are still only in Div 2😂
Oh it's Luke Payne himself.... Think it's time for franchise to drop the dons
Am I that well-known now? 😂
"potentially" = "definitely" MK Franchise are a blight on English football.
Appropriate result.
Good effort. Although; some errors about the history and so forth.
I can ellaborate, if the channels owner is open for constructive criticism.
Thank you, please let me know!
Pony club.
Pony directors.
Terrible owner.
Loved this result
Do you know the owner?
@mark8364 Yes he's a scoundrel and should have no place in football
Controversial opinion : Franchise is a good idea, so long as CLUBS CAN'T MOVE LOCATION ! If the league held the clubs licence, then they could boot out unscrupulous owners and the club and their league status would be protected. This would stop many clubs from going bust ( Bury FC ) There would need to be other rules in place too to stop further mis-management though. And they would still need to be independently owned and ran properly.
Luke Payne, voice of the nobody
Ah yes a generic comment objecting to my existence but can’t actually argue against anything I’ve said 😂😂
How would Mk fans feel if they were abandoned, MK should have been forced to play through leagues from grass roots,non league clubs have to fight for league status,I blame the F A ,they know the price of everything and the value of nothing,it's Not Mk fault but they have no credibility,All the best to Wimbledon what they achieved is remarkable
would of been a lot better video if you did not have that no mark luke payne in it, he has been proved a liar, he is a shit stirrer and yet tries to portray himself as a mr goody two shoes, would of been an 8 out of 10 vid, but he sadly knocks it to a 5 out of ten, good to see you be truthful and an honest account of the game and the wimbledon fans vs the mk customers
I did try to interview multiple Wimbledon fans as well but unfortunately no one replied to me!
I notice you take no problem with what I was saying so this appears to be a protest for the sake of protesting. Thanks for the glowing review though! ;)
Would have....
it’s about time they become Milton Keynes FC and distance themselves from the whole ‘Dons’ thing, only way they have any possibility of having some kind of integrity as a club.
I’d agree, I think keeping the ‘Dons’ is almost mocking Wimbledon.
Not at all. The only people that should be allowed to make such a decision are the fans that followed the club from Wimbledon to MK. Removing Dons without consulting them would be far too disrespectful
@@lukepayne6664removing a football club, plopping it down somewhere else, and pretending it's the same club without consulting the fans is pretty disrespectful, don't you think?
@@lukepayne6664the name comes from Wimbledon. The only people who should be consulted are people who live there
@@TFSS i think they are mocking themselves but just can't see it.
They should have gone to Belfast
They are not our rivals.
Luke is so delusional I feel a bit sorry for him
Would love to know what you thought I said was wrong. Pretty much everything I said was backed-up with facts and I focused mostly on my own club. I even predicted the nature of the game to a tee, only getting the scoreline wrong
@@lukepayne6664 you're an mk fan is the issue. Support a real club
I support one of my local sides, same as anyone else. There’s an entire generation that grew up supporting The Dons in MK now
@@lukepayne6664 “I wouldn’t consider it too different to us playing Wycombe”.
Your social media team were obsessed with us in the buildup to yesterday. Your manager called the fixture the biggest of the year asking for your fans to bring their aunties🤣. Saying the hate is one-sided is pure revisionism. Your fans give it to us just as much as we give it to you. Every time we play you at the Lane a bunch of franchise kids show up trying to give it the large like it’s still the 1980s.
@@lukepayne6664 doesn't matter. You're still an MK fan
Stadium is way too big for such a soulless tinpot football club.Should rebrand and start off in 7 divisions below national lg like everyone else
It's just a football team MK Dons
MK are a disgrace to football. Shortcutters. If Milton Keynes wanted a football club they should have started at the bottom like everybody else. They should be reviled for as long as they exist.
Drop the Dons name, rename them MK City !!
Lose the Dons name and Flags with FA cup winners 1988 and we can move on...simples!!!
This is a Knob typical SMALL Club 🤣🤣🤣🤣
No one cares about them, so how can they hate them
With all due respect as it's largely a good video, please don't call it a derby. It's definitely not a derby. Even the term rivalry is controversial, but a derby has to be a game between local rivals and these 2 aren't local.
Hello
Good video.
Carlisle United fan here.
We as football fans should indeed never forget this. It should never be allowed to happen again! EVER!!
For AFC Wimbledon fans it is of course going to matter.
The perception of MK with the wider football community is partly rooted in a fairly snooty attitude and perception of the town of Milton Keynes.
Winkleman is and will always be more than just a ‘pantomime villain’.
I think we should never forget but should move on from ‘hating’ Milton Keynes.
I can’t help but be happy for Wimbledon though.
If Franchise gets relegated out of the league, then we can start moving on from “hating” them. Twenty years of Milton Keynes playing in a spot they didn’t earn is worse than 19 years of it, but better than 21 years. Heck, if they gave up their spot voluntarily and decided to start over in the combined counties league, they could name their club “True Dons 1988 FA Cup Champions” if they wanted as far as I’m concerned
Sort of surprised to see the empty seats galore.
I am sort of neutral but if I lived within 30 miles I’d be there! It was going to be a proper clash!
There was 10,500 in the end, not bad for the level but still I thought there would be more neutrals.
MKFC or MK Bucks
Time to stop this animosity. Happened twenty years ago and you can’t change history.
MK is still playing in a spot they didn’t earn. They continue to be a disgrace to football right now, in the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty-four. If they want the animosity dropped, they can give up their spot in the league to the country’s top non-league side, drop the name Dons, and try to earn a spot in the league like everyone else did
they should drop the dons name otherwise no one will stop hating them
Don't be silly. This must never be allowed to happen again. Imagine this happening to your club.
@@aidanwotherspoon905 , Arsenal are playing in a spot they didn't earn. Let's relegate them at the same time I guess.
I take it you don't watch the news much then bud?
The sooner mk go out the league the better ,😅
geddon AFC! off with you MK- fake club
ur a 🔔🔚 for speaking with the luke payne he’s a 🔔🔚 himself aswell
Abuse for the sake of abuse, lovely stuff 🤦🏻♂️😂
The biggest team in the league and also the league above
Bigger than Birmingham, really 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@garymillward2890 I know. I did laugh when one of their players said it. You can't make shit like that up. 🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ffs let it go, it's been bloody years since it happened, grow up, shit happens
No chance! Everyone hates MK😂
@@diddleysquat6644 Totally agree. Not an MK supporter and I don't hate them.
20 years with a spot in the league they didn’t earn is worse than 19 years, but not as bad as 21. Franchise for relegation!
@@aidanwotherspoon905 surely the blame lies with Wimbledon board, if they had run the club correctly it would still have been in existence as it was, can't blame mk for keeping it alive at the time, all beit 100 miles away
Would you let it go if it had been your club ? Probably not.
Any true Football fan would know, Football is built on its past. I have never been to MK, never will. If my team got them in a Final I wouldn't go. I want zero to do with MK. Lose the Dons, give the History back is a must. Drop down 6 divisions and build the way back up, OK, but still no for me. The fact they offer a Franchise Pizza in the Ground sums them up. ALWAYS a franchise, never a real football club. Not a Wimbledon fan, but always love when they stuff MK, would love to see them back in the Prem, just to help put right what was allowed to happen by the corruption of Football. Football has a proud tradition of Building from the roots, foraging a history to be proud of. Any MK fan that thinks they a football fan are just not. the Franchise, rent a crowd. Football stands United with Wimbledon FC (the A should be removed to give them their true name back)
It’s a shame those Wimbledon fans didn’t go back in the day, the club might have survived.
Behave yourself you obviously don’t understand a thing
We were told that no matter what we did, there was no chance of stopping the move of WFC to MK. I even have a letter from WFC director (or whatever his title was at the time) Charles Koppel, replying to my letter to him that the decision about the move was final and would not be changed.
We’ve always had a hardcore fanbase of a few thousand fans. Probably no different to Brentford or Bournemouth (although theirs have no doubt grown over the years). The move to Selhurst came when crowds in 🇬🇧 were at an all time low in the early 90’s. It was only after Euro 96 that things changed in that regard. Being homeless for 10+ years and playing home games in another part of London gave us little opportunity to build our fanbase and lay foundations while other clubs attendances were growing. If we hadn’t left Plough Lane when we did there’s no reason why Wimbledon couldn’t be a thriving Prem club today. Our demise in the early 2000’s no doubt helped Fulham who picked up plenty of Premier League fans. Not making the football league until 1977 and being surrounded by plenty of much bigger clubs, we were always going to be up against it in terms of competing against the Chelsea’s and other London clubs.
Ultimately, we were too vulnerable as we were a championship club and had no ground or training ground, with owners who had no intention of returning the club to Wimbledon. At least our fans showed them the way.
Back in the 1970s when WFC were in the old southern league (non league, now National league level), we were getting average crowds of around 2,000 and then 9 years after entering the football league, we found ourselves in the 1st division (now premier) with a non league standard ground and a very short period in which to grow our fan base, and when you have bigger and well established traditional football clubs already on your doorstep our attendances aren't going to grow overnight, and that was one of the main problems for us back then, always playing catch up and with it being a time of hooliganism in football made it even harder to encourage new fans to come along. We climbed too high too quickly and couldn't catch up financially with top tier clubs getting richer and richer. It also didn't help that home clubs were allowed to keep the gate money instead of sharing it with the away team like they used to.
@@davidburgess189 , thank you for your well reasoned reply.
I always understand these kinds of videos and why the general public hate the MK Dons, and they always will. I live in MK, we have STs, I didn't grow up an MK Dons fan (I'm too old), but my boys are and when you go there are thousands of young fans just trying to support their local team.
There's a lot of backstory to the move, much of which isn't widely known and paint it in a better light, but putting it out there will never change people's minds. At some point hopefully the football community can move on. For example Arsenal never actually won promotion to the top flight, they were awarded it, but it was so long ago everyone has moved on.