finally someone did it the way I expected it would work best.Its like the poet said " But iron,cold iron,is master of them all." And heat,hot heat is the way to master iron.Thanks for sharing.
Wow, I have been a sheetmetal mechanic since 1983 and raised around machinists, and this is my first time ever hearing the word "Swarf". I had to look it up, you are correct.
Like you said before. "the Old Way" is another way of saying "I cant afford the new tools." I tell people I have a proper, old school blacksmith shop, since it's all hammer and anvil. If I could afford a power hammer and or press, screw "the old way."
Another great video Trent! Concise, direct and, most of important, WHY! 😁 Perfect timing also, since I'm needing to make some nice rivets! Time to dig thru my stock and make one. Thanks again!
I've said it on some previous videos and I'll say it again. I'm really, really enjoying this new series - it's like having a fresh channel to watch. It's inspiring me to make some new things, and think about some others in new ways. I've been far more productive and have been getting more varied experience lately because of this series as opposed to the same old "go out to forge, don't know what to do, make variations on the same old 1/4" hook/drive hook/s-hook" rut that I've been in for a while.
If you want to maintain perfect alignment basically forever with such tools, drill two holes, with one nearer the end of the stock. Open the tacks and use a round file to bevel the ends of the extra hole top and bottom only one one piece. Put the two back together using a piece of slightly over long round stock in the extra hole as an indexer. With the pieces clamped back together, weld into the grooves created by the bevels to permanently secure the round stock. Cut it flush top and bottom then finish the piece. With the groove and round the two sides can always index true when clamped in the vice. Also if you are producing lots of rivets you may want to add several of the same sized holes to build several rivets per clamping in the vice. It goes a lot faster. Another step I use when making a lot of rivets of one length is to add a shelf piece across the bottom as a stop so the length is always exactly the same. So I can make say, 5 rivets 1/4 by 5/8 long each time I close the vice and they all match and work to attach the stock I use all the time leaving the exact length of metal to munge on the other side. Now those specific size rivets are used to attach two layers of sheet steel for armor but you can size for anything you use the same rivets on a lot and really crank them out this way.
I am a new blacksmith and I love finding better ways of doing things...that said suppose you weld the round bar joiner along the side length wise to do both jobs...hold the two hlaves and support it in the vise instead of using the 1x1/4 for the support wings.
That was great. I have the old vs. new debate myself. Just bought a new anvil, not an old beat up romantic one. Any tips for getting the hot rivet into the material being joined? I’m having a hell of a time. Thanks
Question, What was the purpose of putting the notch on the sheet steel in the middle? Just to keep the drill centered? You had mentioned the chatter until the drill made contact with the sheet steel. Thanks.
Additional comment - any chance of a list of most common stock sizes that would be useful to have in stock? It's a lot cheaper if I put an order together to avoid carriage charges. Cheers
Good video I missed the size of the drill you used, how much smaller should it be for the stock your using for a rivet, I use 8mm round for rivets. 5/16 or an inch I think?
I like the idea of the Alogarithm more than the Al Gore Rhythm, cause it gives more of a sense of exponential growth (for this channel). It's unfortunate that not everyone that *NEEDS* to see this will see this, with better exposure, at least some of the teachable ones will see it. The others (the Consciously Ignorant) who see it will be: "Even though I have zero experience, I think I can do as well as this guy who has done it for decades.".
You see in a lot of videos people make comments about not “using the old ways” I find those comments to be silly because the smiths of old were using the most modern technology,they could afford,of the day. I believe even a high tech TIG welder is a legitimate tool in a modern blacksmith shop
@@_aullik Yes. you just do it by yourself rather than with two strikers reducing that lump of steel 6"x12'X4" that just arrived on the stagecoach over a period of days... maybe go dig the ore out and build a foundry.?.. sheesh I'll stick with the head start stock gives me. I can batter a 1" square bar into all shapes but would I want to try and make a 1/2" poker out of it?...
I imagine that most of the hobbiest types are somewhat like me, in that I have a bit of background in making things i.e. I'm not a kid anymore and have some metalworking experience. That said, small hobby or homeowner level wire feed welders aren't much more than a hundred bucks and they are capable of helping to make better tools for your hobby.
I just bought a 30 - 250amp mini dc stick welder from china. It cost less than 60 quid. its smaller than a loaf of bread can't wait to try it out on this job.
Been telling the same to my students for ages. If you are spending more time making the tool that the time that tool is going to save you, you are doing it wrong
You got to be good to do it the "old way." Maybe when I'm good I will. For now I'll just concentrate on effective. After all, efficiency is just effective laziness.
The old way works, as in it is a lot more work. It is a means to an end, until you can budget the tools to do it smarter, faster, or easier with newer or more modern tools or methods. A real blacksmith always looked/looks for "the better, more productive, way". Work smarter, not harder. A six-pack of beer to put a sledge hammer in an assistant's hands is cheaper than a power hammer, for a while, but eventually you can save up for that power hammer before that drink friend smacks you in the head...
Right tool for the job is a blessing.
You should do a rivet setter next for the opposite side of the rivet.
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Yeah, that'd be a good one!
finally someone did it the way I expected it would work best.Its like the poet said " But iron,cold iron,is master of them all." And heat,hot heat is the way to master iron.Thanks for sharing.
Wow, I have been a sheetmetal mechanic since 1983 and raised around machinists, and this is my first time ever hearing the word "Swarf". I had to look it up, you are correct.
100 percent agree, the old style is great for fun but the welded tool is a money maker. Time is money.
Like you said before. "the Old Way" is another way of saying "I cant afford the new tools." I tell people I have a proper, old school blacksmith shop, since it's all hammer and anvil. If I could afford a power hammer and or press, screw "the old way."
I like this method much better than "the old way" Thanks for sharing!
Excellent video, and explanation of why to use more modern methods! I am going to make one of these this weekend.
Old way as exercise....lol...loved that. Fire made it good, new tools make it better.
Another great video Trent! Concise, direct and, most of important, WHY! 😁 Perfect timing also, since I'm needing to make some nice rivets! Time to dig thru my stock and make one. Thanks again!
Good advice Trent, lots of my tooling is welded!
Let's hear it for the a logarithm, and may it lead to exponential growth of the channel!
Well done on the rationale for the new way, love the channel!
Thanks for the video mate, hope you can continue
This is a good rivet header video. Very informative. Picture quality is very nice.
Thank you , its was good advice.
I am only srarting blacksmithing now.
I've said it on some previous videos and I'll say it again. I'm really, really enjoying this new series - it's like having a fresh channel to watch. It's inspiring me to make some new things, and think about some others in new ways. I've been far more productive and have been getting more varied experience lately because of this series as opposed to the same old "go out to forge, don't know what to do, make variations on the same old 1/4" hook/drive hook/s-hook" rut that I've been in for a while.
Need to make one of these for sure.
Really liking this series of videos ...
Enjoyed both versions of achieving the same goal. Having options is never a bad idea, thanks.
I enjoy this series of videos, and it does cause me to stop and think. Now I've got to get an aspirin from thinking.
Thanks
It just gets better and better 👍
Good vid, Trenton - - - and goood practical advice (as always)! Much obliged. 🤠
Thanks that is exactly what I was looking for.
Great Video hand !!
I will definitely be making a rivet tool!! 👍🏻
Hey, nice idea verry funtionable tool. Greatings from Germany. Jens
I'm no fool i like the new tool, great video Trenton
This is a cool idea. There is so much information to take in when you are getting started.
If you want to maintain perfect alignment basically forever with such tools, drill two holes, with one nearer the end of the stock. Open the tacks and use a round file to bevel the ends of the extra hole top and bottom only one one piece. Put the two back together using a piece of slightly over long round stock in the extra hole as an indexer. With the pieces clamped back together, weld into the grooves created by the bevels to permanently secure the round stock. Cut it flush top and bottom then finish the piece. With the groove and round the two sides can always index true when clamped in the vice. Also if you are producing lots of rivets you may want to add several of the same sized holes to build several rivets per clamping in the vice. It goes a lot faster. Another step I use when making a lot of rivets of one length is to add a shelf piece across the bottom as a stop so the length is always exactly the same. So I can make say, 5 rivets 1/4 by 5/8 long each time I close the vice and they all match and work to attach the stock I use all the time leaving the exact length of metal to munge on the other side. Now those specific size rivets are used to attach two layers of sheet steel for armor but you can size for anything you use the same rivets on a lot and really crank them out this way.
The right tool for the job definitely makes life a whole lot easier!
Looking forward to the tongs videos!
Loving your new content Trenton! Been a fan of your since S1 of FiF.
Thank you so much for all of your videos and I’m really enjoying your book, came in yesterday
As soon as I am done restoring my drill press I will making that .. that was cool thanks
Your helping a lot, thanks..
I like the second way of skinning of that cat. Acurate and fast. It's the way of the Future Blacksmith Dammit! ✌
Thank you, enjoy your videos
Great video. Thank you!
Thanks
For the algorithm demands it!
Thank's for the video.
I am a new blacksmith and I love finding better ways of doing things...that said suppose you weld the round bar joiner along the side length wise to do both jobs...hold the two hlaves and support it in the vise instead of using the 1x1/4 for the support wings.
Obligatory algorithm plug. Great video as always. 🙂
Quick and dirty does the trick
Great vid!
That was great.
I have the old vs. new debate myself. Just bought a new anvil, not an old beat up romantic one.
Any tips for getting the hot rivet into the material being joined?
I’m having a hell of a time.
Thanks
Great stuff
Question, What was the purpose of putting the notch on the sheet steel in the middle? Just to keep the drill centered? You had mentioned the chatter until the drill made contact with the sheet steel. Thanks.
This message is for the logarithm.
Additional comment - any chance of a list of most common stock sizes that would be useful to have in stock? It's a lot cheaper if I put an order together to avoid carriage charges. Cheers
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What's the best way to set the length of the rivet
Good video I missed the size of the drill you used, how much smaller should it be for the stock your using for a rivet, I use 8mm round for rivets. 5/16 or an inch I think?
Good stuff
Very cool
Good job! What is your vise jaw for? I haven't seen one like it.
Like it I'm a simple person that's is simple enough for me. Thank you
For most things is a 1/4 inch rivet plenty big enough?
What are the best drill bits for drilling steel you have found?
Nothing from harbor freight. Find a local industrial supply, even lowes and home depot are not great but they work in a pinch
Yes. and its kinda like the sliding door thing too. right? people can do nearly anything, but do we really want to?
could one use tool steel? if so what choices ? by the way another great video !
Excellent question. Added to video list.
Gday mr Tye, what thickness spacer would you use on a half inch rivet jig done in this fashion?
Same size spacer for any rivet size. You just need a little space for the vise to be able to bite the rivet, no matter the diameter
Hi what kind of steel are you using is mild metal ok? Thanks Nancy
Mild steel will do just fine for this!
Great video! Here’s a comment for the algorithm.
Or should I say “alagarithm”
I like the idea of the Alogarithm more than the Al Gore Rhythm, cause it gives more of a sense of exponential growth (for this channel). It's unfortunate that not everyone that *NEEDS* to see this will see this, with better exposure, at least some of the teachable ones will see it. The others (the Consciously Ignorant) who see it will be: "Even though I have zero experience, I think I can do as well as this guy who has done it for decades.".
This way is just so much easier.
You see in a lot of videos people make comments about not “using the old ways” I find those comments to be silly because the smiths of old were using the most modern technology,they could afford,of the day. I believe even a high tech TIG welder is a legitimate tool in a modern blacksmith shop
There are differences tho (speaking from watching YT videos experience). Is it still blacksmithing if all you are doing is reducing stock?
@@_aullik Yes. you just do it by yourself rather than with two strikers reducing that lump of steel 6"x12'X4" that just arrived on the stagecoach over a period of days... maybe go dig the ore out and build a foundry.?.. sheesh I'll stick with the head start stock gives me. I can batter a 1" square bar into all shapes but would I want to try and make a 1/2" poker out of it?...
I imagine that most of the hobbiest types are somewhat like me, in that I have a bit of background in making things i.e. I'm not a kid anymore and have some metalworking experience. That said, small hobby or homeowner level wire feed welders aren't much more than a hundred bucks and they are capable of helping to make better tools for your hobby.
I just bought a 30 - 250amp mini dc stick welder from china. It cost less than 60 quid. its smaller than a loaf of bread can't wait to try it out on this job.
Looking through the bent-backed tulips,
To see how the other half live.
I definitely prefer the new way rivet header.
What about the people who do not have an oxy set. There must be a way to do rivets using the forge etc.
Work hard, or work hard AND smart.
But what if the algorithm tells me to sin? And here rests the case for the defence...
The algorithm isn't my supervisor
cool
Been telling the same to my students for ages. If you are spending more time making the tool that the time that tool is going to save you, you are doing it wrong
You got to be good to do it the "old way." Maybe when I'm good I will. For now I'll just concentrate on effective. After all, efficiency is just effective laziness.
New way, old way. It doesn't matter if you use what you got to get the job done as good and fast as possible
I'm all for the easy life ;>)
That makes sense and after you make dollars. I came I watched I commented.
Love this tool
here's a ^x for the ol logarithm
Comments for the Al Gore Rhythm
Riveting content. I'll go sit in the corner quietly now.
dead tree beats
The old way works, as in it is a lot more work. It is a means to an end, until you can budget the tools to do it smarter, faster, or easier with newer or more modern tools or methods.
A real blacksmith always looked/looks for "the better, more productive, way". Work smarter, not harder. A six-pack of beer to put a sledge hammer in an assistant's hands is cheaper than a power hammer, for a while, but eventually you can save up for that power hammer before that drink friend smacks you in the head...
Frogs say "Ribet"....
How close is the drilled hole in the rivit header to the rivit stock size