Public transportation is a complete failure. People need the freedom to go where they want and when they want without being dependent on some broken down government run transit system. Public transportation also relies on government subsidies obtained by taxes and fees charged on private autos. Transit agencies should raise fares to cover 100% of the cost of operation and quit sapping cars owners to pay for this failed socio-economic experiment.
did you know the car is the most subsidized vehicle in america? probably not. the government HUGELY subsidizes massive wasteful highways that just breed traffic and decay, and the money comes from YOUR TAX DOLLARS(scary, i know). i dare you to leave your city for once, visit japan and europe, experience their wonderfully efficient and fast metros and rail systems, then come back and complain about public transit.
Most people can NOT use slow, crowded, and raunchy mass transit and they need to use a car to get around in a timely and comfortable manner. With that in mind, building more mass transit isn't going to get people out of their cars either and what we really need is more freeways. Let CalTrans plan building a new 6 lane freeway right through San Francisco and people will think twice about building more housing and office buildings.
Yesterday I got to see and go inside the new electric trains and they look so more beautiful and modernized. I'm so glad to see this will become an actual reality soon
I do have a question or two about this modernization plan. I'm totally in favor of it, but with the electrification and new signalling, will there also be the installation and extension of four-track sections to accommodate HSR sometime after 2020? Also I feel that there are just too many stations that follow each other in quick succession, and some could be closed to reduce dwell times on double-track sections. Stations such as Broadway, Burlingame, Hayward Park, and countless others towards San Jose. Are there any plans for the closure of stations on sections which cannot be quadruple tracked or upgraded to otherwise accommodate a service line speed of 125mph?
They abandoned the four track options - for stations at least and most corridors - after communities responded negatively to them, hence the shared railways with HSR. It could work but when HSR takes off, it'll be only a few years before we desperately need four rails to accommodate the increase in traffic.
As a regular Caltrain rider I fully endorse the electrification from an environmental standpoint, 90% reduction of emissions is fantastic! Other necessary improvements: faster trains and more variety in bullet routes (add Santa Clara and Lawrence to a bullet schedule). Finally, a smart bike car design. As a layman, I guarantee you I could have designed a more efficient bike car than the current one
That's a Californian opinion for you..Diesel-electric locomotives are highly efficient as they are now. They have safe emissions and are "good on gas". It's only a California overly overkill eco thought process that makes electrification a bigger more important deal than it really is.
***** It's not only about the environment. Diesel hauled service is naturally slower (and less efficient) than electrified systems, especially if the train is locomotive-hauled. Distributed power EMUs ensures faster acceleration and deceleration and short dwell times (if Caltrain implements level boarding). Diesel services can only get you so far, when demand starts to push for increased efficiency, diesel electric won't cut it. Electrifying as well eliminates the need for diesel fuel on a majority of the main-line, which saves cash-strapped Caltrain A LOT OF MONEY. Buying electricity from a grid is much cheaper than buying fuel.
+John Morrow That 90% figure is total bs since the power comes from the grid, of which over half is from coal/nat gas. Are emissions being reduced? on an operating basis, slightly. Add in the emissions from the construction of electrification infrastructure and that changes the equation a ton.
kansasthunderman1 bike SHOULD stay on transit. Thy solve the first mile last mile issue associated with transit. It's much better for the environment then getting in a car. Please don't be ignorant and know what you are talking about.
I'm on the train right now. I support the reasoning behind these new trains but aesthetically speaking they are no match compared to the old trains. You feel like you're on a bus. I loved the vintage look and feel of the diesel trains. The upper part was great, now all gone. The seats are narrower. I loved the feel of the old seats. The diesel trains were Raymond Chandler and Dashiell Hammett cool. I know these new trains are more practical but miss the old ones.
I was planning on it at first, but she left the agency that I won't reveal the name of to you online. I was on this vehicle with my friend who's born in the '60s like Rick Astley and Helena Bonham Carter. We had fun together and enjoyed going down to Burlingame, CA. The future is yet to come.
I know this sounds a little crazy but when they extend cal train and HSR to the transbay terminal they should extend HSR to Sac so you can have a one seat ride from city to city and then tunnel the Caltrain line north and connect it with SMART and then electrify SMART. To connect the Northbay and Southbay with one line would be amazing.
@@leontransit1652 The Fukushima I meltdown only happened because the facility was already 40 years old plus the earthquake that caused its demise is not an ordinary one. It's basically the 5th strongest of its kind in recorded history. Fukushima II and all the other plants were successfully shut down by 2012 to compare before radioactive material spreads out of the plants and causing another disaster. Also, renewables aren't exactly the solution either. You can have the case of Germany vs. France for example. Germany decided to start decommissioning its nuclear plants in exchange of renewable energy. France meanwhile kept its nuclear plants. France is paying less on electric power compared to Germany, by estimates of Germany paying up to 3 times to that of France, and France also has less carbon emissions despite not using as much renewable energy assets as Germany does. Since it's pretty much expected for CalTrain to use renewable energy to power CalMod, both the construction and operational costs are expected to be higher.
Caltrain needs to keep a small fleet of diesels and bi level cars to be run when a EMU set goes into service or breaks down mid-run. Also I think it's a good idea to use American style knuckle couplers on the EMU units so that they can be compatible with other equipment.
Here in Maryland there's an electric commuter line that still uses diesels often. In fact several electric engines were just replaced with diesels with about the same speed and low emissions.
@@kellcash6800 They aren't electrifying the entire line, although most of it is being electrified. Hence, they need to keep some of the bi-level cars, and diesel locomotives. Caltrain doesn't own their entire corridor, part of it is owned by Union Pacific, and they have no control over anything union pacific does to that section of the route.
JoeyLovesTrains I bet the liberal progressives aren’t to happy about that. At least some diesel power will remain. I’m tired of this “global warming will be the end of us” crap.
@@kellcash6800 I mean, they exaggerate, but they still have a point. Our gas emissions level is at a bad rate. If we don't do anything about it, then it will be a major problem. (I'm not a Liberal; I'm a centrist.)
I think it's Bombardier: These trains look like EMU (Electric Multiple Unit trainset) versions of Bombardier's doppelstockwagens used here in Europe. So far only electric locomotive-pulled cars of this type exist.
Type ''Bombardier Doppelstockwagen'' and you see that they'll exactly look the same :) But since all this is still a concept, maybe they'll switch to Siemens or Alstom, might even buy those Coradia stuff from the latter.
They should take advantage of the infrastructure Amtrak has upgraded already. The commuter lines in Maryland and New Jersey tap into the wires of the Northeast Corridor already.
actually caltrain had strung some wire and erected poles s and the santa clara drill track in santa clara is gonna be use for testing maybe the aem-7's which is complete?
1. First electric trainset is being tested in Pueblo, CO 2. Around 75% of poles and foundations are up 3. Around 25% if wiring is complete 4. Alot of infrastructure improvements have been going on in places like Hillsdale and South San Francisco 5. PTCS systems have been installed in trains for safer operations around stations and grade crossings It is still on schedule to be complete in 2022, so very impressive for a US transit project lol
This is going to be a great improvement for the area! Trains will be faster, more reliable, quieter, more frequent, and less polluting. Crazy that there was ever opposition to such a fundamental improvement. Glad that nonsense is behind us and the project is moving forward rapidly!
We'd love to. Grade Separations are very expensive and require coordination with cities, counties and even state governments. It's not just a Caltrain thing.
People can't you see the benefits of this project? I don't mind paying a bit more taxes if it's going to make the lives of Bay Area citizens better and create a more environmentally friendly Caltrain. Also if you watch the video closely it clearly states that most of the cost would be covered by Caltrain's own revenue. Regardless people need to stop being so selfish when it comes to taxes. I'm sure one day we'll all benefit from this project.
Yeah right - let's keep raising taxes and fees through the roof until the middle class is broke and living in tents on the street. Oh wait - it's already happening!!!
These expensive mass transit projects are 80% federally funded, but there are no federal taxes (like gas taxes) to pay back the cost. So they wind up expanding the $15 Trillion federal debt.
Here in San Francisco, private transit is already happening and people are willing to pay more for a better quality service. However, the city government run transit agency is becoming just an expensive social service.
TrainSF sealing realistically... they won’t get rid of all of them, but times are changing. Most likely... they won’t get replace the entire fleet. They Will probably just replace most locomotives with electrics and keeps the gallery and Bombardier cars.
Most the fleet will be replaced with European Cars like the one in the animation. A few of the current fleet will be kept for services to Gilroy/ possible future Dumbarton rail link.
Why though? Seriously hamper objective improvements purely so you can have your open air museum? They should donate a couple units to some actual rail museum sure but to hold back a crowded service purely because of nostalgia is insane
@TrainSF I watch your videos and they are good :D they make up your content. I am sad that these will retire because the gallery cars are "roomy" with one seat at the second level so no random person sits next to you
but diesel loco's are using fossil fuels or diesel so maybe pray for caltrain ordering highliners because the higlhiner ll uses the standard american knuckle coupler. they can couple some gallery cars to lengthen the trainsets.
they also have f40s that are 35 years old so that is beyond the maximum life expectancy which beyond 30 years in america is quite old for a piece of equipment
How will union pacific run on the tracks if there electric or will the tracks still be the same only with wires and still compatible with normal trains also how will desel in the south bay work will there be two different kinds of trains at san jose and will they reqire different tracks also since in san jose it shares tracks with amtrack and ace will they need different tracks or can non electric trains still run on tracks with wires and wnen and if they go through with the dumbarton extension will those tracks have wires if so how will amtrack and up run sorry about this run on sentence and extreamly bad spelling im just really curiouse.
Look up the Pennsylvania SEPTA system as well as trains in Europe and China where diesel locomotives share the same tracks as electric locomotives and EMU trains. They share the 4feet 8.5 inch rail gauge and the wires are more that high enough to allow diesel locos to pass under the wires. The differences is that the diesels simply don't utilize the wires.
I don't know why but I feel like Caltrain is more developed than metro link , most videos i see of Caltrain they run on double track while metro link has to share track with freight trains on one line track or maybe its just me and both are equal idk
I actually just thought of something. No need for new cars. Keep the current cars you have. Just keep building the electrical systems along the line. Just add new electric locomotives
and that means keeping the Gallery cars which are 30 years old and at this point you and a bunch of people will be made fun of and roasted by EuroFoamers, and the gallery cars are inaccessible and the design just sucks. or just order series IX cab cars that GOT and Sounder have.
The vast majority of Gallery Cars aren't ADA accessible, and they intend to at least keep all their Bombardier Series VIs and possibly the accessible Gallery Cars
It's confusing to me why there wasn't an attempt to triple/quad track the corridor to allow for express trains (and of course caltrain is supposed to use this corridor somehow)
What caltrain is doing is so amazing and i truly comend all of those involved for giving such a project a go ahead,the new trains are out of this world and perfect looking in all their ways,way to go Caltrain.
Either they will be sold to other commuter rail services or they will be scrapped. If the latter occurs, it's possible one or more will be preserved at a museum.
People need to get off their asses and walk more and this situation will help in that endeavor. Less stress and road rage. If some one acts up, just throw them off the train. Been to Japan many times and the connections by different modes of transportation is phenomenal and seamless. All the stations should have solar panels and every opportunity to provide shade with these panels should be a requirement.
I like the idea, but I don't think we should be getting rid of diesel. I love diesel locomotives and I think that we should keep them. I love the sound and smell of the deisel engine.
Joseph Sanchez you want to hold back on objective improvements that help with what the systems primary purpose, purely because you like the smell of diesel?
UPDATE: CHEERS TO THE HSR PROJECT COMING TO LA & SF BETWEEN FY 2023-2026, AND ALSO ELECTRIFIED CALTRAIN COMING TO SF IN SUMMER FY 2020(AS OF THIS WRITING ANYWAY-MAS O MENOS). BOTH PROJECTS ARE CRUCIAL TO THE BAY AREA ECONOMY OF THE FUTURE. STAY TUNED TO THE LATEST NEWS ON BOTH PROJECTS. -MR. GARCIA IN SF, CA.
+SMCTD Caltrain you guys should use ALP-45DP Locomotives when your electrification plan goes through so you can have a hassle free power change between the electrified and non-electrified track
@Darlene Kenny Hayes, you will need a a lot of money which you will have to be going to a good college and have a great education. but good luck to you
They're probably going to keep a few of them on standby in case of electrical power failure. So they shouldn't all be going away, but more of a just in case method.
@@Lorsterthe34st which caltrain f40ph do you prefer, EMD built ones(f40ph-2/f40ph-2cat) or MPI built ones. #920-#922(f40ph-2c/some call them f40ph-3c?)
Electrified Caltrains will enter into service in 2022 and CHSR (California High-Speed Rail) Will use the Caltrains Corridor in 2031 But CVS (Central Valley Segment) Will be open by 2029 for High-Speed Trains.
A suggestion - - In future equipment purchases, keep some locomotiive hauled cars and purchase dual-powered locomotives. These locomotives can go back and forth between electric power and diesel in about 90 seconds. These allow direct service between your electrified and non-electrified territory giving a no-transfer ride to people in diesel territory;and allowing expansion into new and low ridership territory without the huge financial commitment to immediate electrification. It also allows you keep your present locomotive hauled fleet and borrow/lend-out cars with other west coast systems. In New Jersey these locomotives have allowed direct service into New York City that have never before had it. A large fleet of electric only MU's is still a good idea, as these are more flexible in eveything from train length to braking, acceleration, and operating costs. They seem to allow more off-peak and late-night service as well.
well stupid humans/NIMBY's have zero sense but they better use the P2 as a emergency horn instead of a electric one. main horn: electric horn emergency horn: P2. but already the EMU's were design there may not be enough space for the P2.
@@takashiPR incorrect, they will use lrt digital horns that you possible can't hear which is just more F**ked up. also grade separations need money also they can't interuppt certain parts where they grade separate.
If only this project could be done with Metra, the commuter rail system in Chicago with trains that look very similar to Caltrain in physical appearance AND even busier than Caltrain. Metra already has one electric line, so why not make the rest of the system electric as well?
@@AVeryRandomPerson no there not Just look at those lights Compare then on google or something you see the difference There are double deck but different construction method
+Caltrain, please think about making 4 tracks so you can run express services, without bunching up. Or is there a re-alignment for the High Speed Railway?
While I have nothing against electrification, I absolutely oppose the decision to use EMUs. Rather, I'd like to see locomotives like the ones Amtrak just got (the ACS-64). Or, Amtrak could sell some of their lame-duck AEM-7s and HHP-8s to Caltrain, and refurbish the gallery cars and BiLevels. EMUs are boring. I prefer locomotive-hauled trains. California High-Speed Rail can use their EMUs as they like since nothing else would work. Caltrain should stick with locomotive-hauled trains, but use electric locomotives for the SF-Tamien trains, and the MP36s south of Tamien.
Caltrain service is to simplistic to required locomotive hauled equipment. It's also safer too. Push-pull config (which is a locomotive based system) has some faults that undermine safety (See 2005 Metrolink Glendale Crash). EMUs are also more economical. Motive power distribution will save Caltrain time and money which is greatly needed for the service. Locomotive hauled trains carry dead weight that takes more energy and time to stop. However, Caltrain will probably still by some electric locos for maintenance of way and backups. It's not about being boring, it's about being efficient, which a commuter rail system has to be.
If this is such a revenue generator, why does it take so long to build, the Chinese built 1000 miles in 3yr, why can't we perform like a first world country we claim to be?
What the hell i like Caltrain for the way it is and I been going on Caltrain since 2005 please don't change it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!¡!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he is probably talking about caltrain should get dual mode locomotives like a alp45-dp although a major downside is they are quite heavier than most normal diesel locomoitves.
As another comment said here, not all of Caltrain's routes are owned by them. Some parts are owned by freight railroads. Also, Caltrain will also have all the legal bother for land acquisition if they're building a new line. Just look at HSR.
@AMTransitFan, facebook is planning the dumbarton rail corridor and it is possible that they won't electrify it so they might use the mp36's, bombardier bi levels, and gallery cars at least but too bad the f40ph's will retire
This has aged incredibly well!!
Electric service just started!!!!!
It’s here!
About damn time it’s here
This Train Sim World DLC looks awesome
I was looking for that and found this
It's definitely worth the $30
@@laaeeh lol for once
Just to say hi to y'all I'm from TSW as well
@@alvinyim7837 sup
This is now a reality.
Watching this in 2024 and electrified service is almost a reality!
Don’t tell me good transit can’t be done in the US
So proud of my home region!!!
Only one month left guys!!!!
Toby would be so proud
8 years later this is starting to become a reality actually
They made it fr 🥲
I like this train
Americans are so negative about most anything relating to public transportation, particularly rail. Can't understand their mentality in this regard.
Public transportation is a complete failure. People need the freedom to go where they want and when they want without being dependent on some broken down government run transit system. Public transportation also relies on government subsidies obtained by taxes and fees charged on private autos. Transit agencies should raise fares to cover 100% of the cost of operation and quit sapping cars owners to pay for this failed socio-economic experiment.
did you know the car is the most subsidized vehicle in america? probably not. the government HUGELY subsidizes massive wasteful highways that just breed traffic and decay, and the money comes from YOUR TAX DOLLARS(scary, i know). i dare you to leave your city for once, visit japan and europe, experience their wonderfully efficient and fast metros and rail systems, then come back and complain about public transit.
As an American, I don't get it. Rail is the safest and most efficient method of moving goods and people over land. Oil is also massively subsidized.
Most people can NOT use slow, crowded, and raunchy mass transit and they need to use a car to get around in a timely and comfortable manner. With that in mind, building more mass transit isn't going to get people out of their cars either and what we really need is more freeways.
Let CalTrans plan building a new 6 lane freeway right through San Francisco and people will think twice about building more housing and office buildings.
Too fucking lazy to walk anywhere.
Yesterday I got to see and go inside the new electric trains and they look so more beautiful and modernized. I'm so glad to see this will become an actual reality soon
1:23 very similar to the Amtrak viewliner
I like the f40s
These totally look like regio trains in Germany
Miles Campbell same thing I thought
I think they are actually going to be based on a European train
@@itstrain7248 Yep. It's the Stadler KISS EMU that's used in Europe.
Ikr
Yeah I thought so
1:23 When did Caltrain get Viewliners?
It’s just a visual rendering - those cars aren’t real
I do have a question or two about this modernization plan. I'm totally in favor of it, but with the electrification and new signalling, will there also be the installation and extension of four-track sections to accommodate HSR sometime after 2020? Also I feel that there are just too many stations that follow each other in quick succession, and some could be closed to reduce dwell times on double-track sections. Stations such as Broadway, Burlingame, Hayward Park, and countless others towards San Jose. Are there any plans for the closure of stations on sections which cannot be quadruple tracked or upgraded to otherwise accommodate a service line speed of 125mph?
They abandoned the four track options - for stations at least and most corridors - after communities responded negatively to them, hence the shared railways with HSR. It could work but when HSR takes off, it'll be only a few years before we desperately need four rails to accommodate the increase in traffic.
As a regular Caltrain rider I fully endorse the electrification from an environmental standpoint, 90% reduction of emissions is fantastic! Other necessary improvements: faster trains and more variety in bullet routes (add Santa Clara and Lawrence to a bullet schedule). Finally, a smart bike car design. As a layman, I guarantee you I could have designed a more efficient bike car than the current one
That's a Californian opinion for you..Diesel-electric locomotives are highly efficient as they are now. They have safe emissions and are "good on gas". It's only a California overly overkill eco thought process that makes electrification a bigger more important deal than it really is.
***** It's not only about the environment. Diesel hauled service is naturally slower (and less efficient) than electrified systems, especially if the train is locomotive-hauled. Distributed power EMUs ensures faster acceleration and deceleration and short dwell times (if Caltrain implements level boarding). Diesel services can only get you so far, when demand starts to push for increased efficiency, diesel electric won't cut it. Electrifying as well eliminates the need for diesel fuel on a majority of the main-line, which saves cash-strapped Caltrain A LOT OF MONEY. Buying electricity from a grid is much cheaper than buying fuel.
+John Morrow That 90% figure is total bs since the power comes from the grid, of which over half is from coal/nat gas. Are emissions being reduced? on an operating basis, slightly. Add in the emissions from the construction of electrification infrastructure and that changes the equation a ton.
Get bikes off transit altogether. Bikes take up the space of 3 passengers, but they don't pay 3 time the fare.
kansasthunderman1 bike SHOULD stay on transit. Thy solve the first mile last mile issue associated with transit. It's much better for the environment then getting in a car. Please don't be ignorant and know what you are talking about.
Can’t wait to see it. Should be quieter
Greeting in 2020
I hope they will still use the mp36ph3c then
well the mp36's are pretty new so they will keep it I guess
@@trevorderper5050 No they won't.
@@AVeryRandomPerson well good at least no k5Cocaine Addicted-Little Sh*tholes that is what i call k5ca-ls horns
How interesting that those new trains look like Stadler KISS units, that recently started running on my branch line, in Russia.
Those are KISS trains...
Several commuter train companies in the USA should think about that!
well great and coming to a world standard!
I'm on the train right now. I support the reasoning behind these new trains but aesthetically speaking they are no match compared to the old trains. You feel like you're on a bus. I loved the vintage look and feel of the diesel trains. The upper part was great, now all gone. The seats are narrower. I loved the feel of the old seats. The diesel trains were Raymond Chandler and Dashiell Hammett cool. I know these new trains are more practical but miss the old ones.
The electrification won't start until at least 2022.
I was planning on it at first, but she left the agency that I won't reveal the name of to you online. I was on this vehicle with my friend who's born in the '60s like Rick Astley and Helena Bonham Carter. We had fun together and enjoyed going down to Burlingame, CA. The future is yet to come.
Isn’t Jackie Speier The owner of the Caltrain Baby Bullet??
Yay, let's do this Bay Area.
Wish they could have service take you from Chico and Yuba Sutter to Sacramento..
I know this sounds a little crazy but when they extend cal train and HSR to the transbay terminal they should extend HSR to Sac so you can have a one seat ride from city to city and then tunnel the Caltrain line north and connect it with SMART and then electrify SMART. To connect the Northbay and Southbay with one line would be amazing.
Gonna miss the F40PH2CATs tho
Good luck.
Well, its about time. Japan made this transition DECADES ago.
Eric Young no is a european
Japan uses mostly nuclear power and their trains are powered from nuclear.
kansasthunderman1 you never knew about the Fukushima incident didn’t you?
@@leontransit1652 The Fukushima I meltdown only happened because the facility was already 40 years old plus the earthquake that caused its demise is not an ordinary one. It's basically the 5th strongest of its kind in recorded history. Fukushima II and all the other plants were successfully shut down by 2012 to compare before radioactive material spreads out of the plants and causing another disaster.
Also, renewables aren't exactly the solution either. You can have the case of Germany vs. France for example. Germany decided to start decommissioning its nuclear plants in exchange of renewable energy. France meanwhile kept its nuclear plants. France is paying less on electric power compared to Germany, by estimates of Germany paying up to 3 times to that of France, and France also has less carbon emissions despite not using as much renewable energy assets as Germany does.
Since it's pretty much expected for CalTrain to use renewable energy to power CalMod, both the construction and operational costs are expected to be higher.
Eric Young Melbourne has had electrified trains since 1919 🤣
Can’t wait for the AEM7s that may come in
I cant wait to see this! I'm hyped!
Seems exciting!
Caltrain needs to keep a small fleet of diesels and bi level cars to be run when a EMU set goes into service or breaks down mid-run. Also I think it's a good idea to use American style knuckle couplers on the EMU units so that they can be compatible with other equipment.
That's a good point
The EMU’s better be carrying the Nathan P2 or I’m taking all of my Caltrain artwork down
Wait, I'm not the only one that likes P2 horns?!
Brandon Hu indeed.
Here in Maryland there's an electric commuter line that still uses diesels often. In fact several electric engines were just replaced with diesels with about the same speed and low emissions.
Would be nice if it get you there sooner
I think you should keep your bi-level cars but make your locomotives electric.
Jason Learakos2005 yes they should. I think it would be cheaper to replace locomotives other than an entire fleet that is perfectly functioning.
@@kellcash6800 They aren't electrifying the entire line, although most of it is being electrified. Hence, they need to keep some of the bi-level cars, and diesel locomotives.
Caltrain doesn't own their entire corridor, part of it is owned by Union Pacific, and they have no control over anything union pacific does to that section of the route.
JoeyLovesTrains I bet the liberal progressives aren’t to happy about that. At least some diesel power will remain. I’m tired of this “global warming will be the end of us” crap.
@@kellcash6800 I mean, they exaggerate, but they still have a point. Our gas emissions level is at a bad rate. If we don't do anything about it, then it will be a major problem. (I'm not a Liberal; I'm a centrist.)
@@JoeyLovesTrains Think Metra and the other rail systems could get these old locomotives and cars?
That is a great improvement on rail transportation. It would be just right for California.
Is Siemens building or constructing the new electric locomotives and passenger cars?
I think it's Bombardier: These trains look like EMU (Electric Multiple Unit trainset) versions of Bombardier's doppelstockwagens used here in Europe. So far only electric locomotive-pulled cars of this type exist.
Vyash Tuijnman No exact word yet. But my bet is also on Bombardier.
Type ''Bombardier Doppelstockwagen'' and you see that they'll exactly look the same :) But since all this is still a concept, maybe they'll switch to Siemens or Alstom, might even buy those Coradia stuff from the latter.
Nope, Stadler.
I lost my bet, contract went to Stadler. The Stadler ones do look nice though.
MBTA should follow this plan!
LOL
Unfortunately that may not happen anytime soon. Even if they do, they'll likely get Siemens ACS-64's.
They should take advantage of the infrastructure Amtrak has upgraded already. The commuter lines in Maryland and New Jersey tap into the wires of the Northeast Corridor already.
@@stampycatfan01lol What's wrong with ACS-64s? Those are advanced electric locomotives Amtrak is using that really do work!
@Algeria The Great huh :/ absolutely not on what
So this was 7 years ago,
And what has happened since then?
This came up in our recommended section and I can only assume California wasted the metro budget on Gender Studies and bureaucracy.
actually caltrain had strung some wire and erected poles s and the santa clara drill track in santa clara is gonna be use for testing maybe the aem-7's which is complete?
1. First electric trainset is being tested in Pueblo, CO
2. Around 75% of poles and foundations are up
3. Around 25% if wiring is complete
4. Alot of infrastructure improvements have been going on in places like Hillsdale and South San Francisco
5. PTCS systems have been installed in trains for safer operations around stations and grade crossings
It is still on schedule to be complete in 2022, so very impressive for a US transit project lol
@@businessmanderek5739 Now it's been delayed until 2024
This is going to be a great improvement for the area! Trains will be faster, more reliable, quieter, more frequent, and less polluting. Crazy that there was ever opposition to such a fundamental improvement. Glad that nonsense is behind us and the project is moving forward rapidly!
Can’t wait to see these new trains. It will probably be quieter too
how about just remove all at grade crossings...
We'd love to. Grade Separations are very expensive and require coordination with cities, counties and even state governments. It's not just a Caltrain thing.
well the 25th avenue grade crossing is practically complete but there are more areas with grade crossings
In Texas, the total cost for a grade separation is around $20,000,000.00. God knows what it is in California...
People can't you see the benefits of this project? I don't mind paying a bit more taxes if it's going to make the lives of Bay Area citizens better and create a more environmentally friendly Caltrain. Also if you watch the video closely it clearly states that most of the cost would be covered by Caltrain's own revenue. Regardless people need to stop being so selfish when it comes to taxes. I'm sure one day we'll all benefit from this project.
Yeah right - let's keep raising taxes and fees through the roof until the middle class is broke and living in tents on the street. Oh wait - it's already happening!!!
These expensive mass transit projects are 80% federally funded, but there are no federal taxes (like gas taxes) to pay back the cost. So they wind up expanding the $15 Trillion federal debt.
Here in San Francisco, private transit is already happening and people are willing to pay more for a better quality service. However, the city government run transit agency is becoming just an expensive social service.
They could just invest in EMD F125's or Siemens SC-44's.
Does Anyone think that all the old locomotives and cars could go to Metra and other rail services?
Can you PLEASE PLEASE STOP THIS OPERATION AND KEEP THE GALLERY CARS AND BOMBARDIER CARS, and the F40PH-2CATS, and the MP36-3C’s PLEASE!!!!
TrainSF sealing realistically... they won’t get rid of all of them, but times are changing. Most likely... they won’t get replace the entire fleet. They Will probably just replace most locomotives with electrics and keeps the gallery and Bombardier cars.
Most the fleet will be replaced with European Cars like the one in the animation. A few of the current fleet will be kept for services to Gilroy/ possible future Dumbarton rail link.
Why though? Seriously hamper objective improvements purely so you can have your open air museum? They should donate a couple units to some actual rail museum sure but to hold back a crowded service purely because of nostalgia is insane
@TrainSF I watch your videos and they are good :D they make up your content. I am sad that these will retire because the gallery cars are "roomy" with one seat at the second level so no random person sits next to you
but diesel loco's are using fossil fuels or diesel so maybe pray for caltrain ordering highliners because the higlhiner ll uses the standard american knuckle coupler. they can couple some gallery cars to lengthen the trainsets.
I'm gonna miss the diesel train 😭
Don t worry you know the Amtrak aem 7 Caltrain order 2 of them so yay
@@Peppagetsadinosaur Those are also not diesel
Don’t worry they will fail at this
Da Boi Darwin129 metra is diesel and Nippon Shayro
@@BJH. I was talking about Caltrain not metra :/
is it bad if I'm JUST new discovering Caltrain? I mean, then again, I'm from Boston MA
boston is where acelas and nec trains terminate at so at least you know something about electric corridors
Wouldn't this be needed to expand service into the new transbay center in downtown san francisco?
I believe so, yes.
they also have f40s that are 35 years old so that is beyond the maximum life expectancy which beyond 30 years in america is quite old for a piece of equipment
Am I the only one praying that at least one caltrain F40PH and MP36 gets preserved?
All locomotives 920 and up and all Gen 6 Bombardier Cars will stay
How will union pacific run on the tracks if there electric or will the tracks still be the same only with wires and still compatible with normal trains also how will desel in the south bay work will there be two different kinds of trains at san jose and will they reqire different tracks also since in san jose it shares tracks with amtrack and ace will they need different tracks or can non electric trains still run on tracks with wires and wnen and if they go through with the dumbarton extension will those tracks have wires if so how will amtrack and up run sorry about this run on sentence and extreamly bad spelling im just really curiouse.
wow thanks for replying Sorry about my spelling and run on sentance that clears it up
Look up the Pennsylvania SEPTA system as well as trains in Europe and China where diesel locomotives share the same tracks as electric locomotives and EMU trains. They share the 4feet 8.5 inch rail gauge and the wires are more
that high enough to allow diesel locos to pass under the wires. The differences is that the diesels simply don't utilize the wires.
Oh I thaught it was a diffrent track ok
Does that mean a transfer will be required for through passengers?
Caltrain may end up buying ALP-45DPs like the ones New Jersey Transit uses on some of their partially electrified lines.
I don't know why but I feel like Caltrain is more developed than metro link , most videos i see of Caltrain they run on double track while metro link has to share track with freight trains on one line track or maybe its just me and both are equal idk
I actually just thought of something. No need for new cars. Keep the current cars you have. Just keep building the electrical systems along the line. Just add new electric locomotives
and that means keeping the Gallery cars which are 30 years old and at this point you and a bunch of people will be made fun of and roasted by EuroFoamers, and the gallery cars are inaccessible and the design just sucks. or just order series IX cab cars that GOT and Sounder have.
The vast majority of Gallery Cars aren't ADA accessible, and they intend to at least keep all their Bombardier Series VIs and possibly the accessible Gallery Cars
It's confusing to me why there wasn't an attempt to triple/quad track the corridor to allow for express trains (and of course caltrain is supposed to use this corridor somehow)
There already are Baby Bullets, using 2 quad tracked sections
when will this be in Train Sim World?
What caltrain is doing is so amazing and i truly comend all of those involved for giving such a project a go ahead,the new trains are out of this world and perfect looking in all their ways,way to go Caltrain.
does anyone say yes on measure rr to save caltrain
It's already been 3 years and I haven't seen a single change.
well finally they added the poles and some wires in some parts of the corridor
Will the old locomotives be retired and scrapped?
Probably, they're like from the 60s.
Either they will be sold to other commuter rail services or they will be scrapped. If the latter occurs, it's possible one or more will be preserved at a museum.
A few will be kept for services to Gilroy.
the f40s will probably be scrapped
wait no they may survive because caltrain is not a huge idiot so they may send to mueseums
1:22 they’re literal Amtrak viewliners XD
People need to get off their asses and walk more and this situation will help in that endeavor. Less stress and road rage. If some one acts up, just throw them off the train. Been to Japan many times and the connections by different modes of transportation is phenomenal and seamless.
All the stations should have solar panels and every opportunity to provide shade with these panels should be a requirement.
I like the idea, but I don't think we should be getting rid of diesel. I love diesel locomotives and I think that we should keep them. I love the sound and smell of the deisel engine.
Joseph Sanchez you want to hold back on objective improvements that help with what the systems primary purpose, purely because you like the smell of diesel?
the smell is not nice it is dangerous for your lungs like inhaling cigarettes. also some people say the engine noise is sometimes loud
diesel engines have some stuff like copium which is unhealthy for your lungs.
UPDATE: CHEERS TO THE HSR PROJECT COMING TO LA & SF BETWEEN FY 2023-2026, AND ALSO ELECTRIFIED CALTRAIN COMING TO SF IN SUMMER FY 2020(AS OF THIS WRITING ANYWAY-MAS O MENOS). BOTH PROJECTS ARE CRUCIAL TO THE BAY AREA ECONOMY OF THE FUTURE. STAY TUNED TO THE LATEST NEWS ON BOTH PROJECTS. -MR. GARCIA IN SF, CA.
Incredibly wrong.
will you still use desl eletric locomotives?
or give them away?
if you give them away i wish i was old enof to build a railway and have them.
+SMCTD Caltrain you guys should use ALP-45DP Locomotives when your electrification plan goes through so you can have a hassle free power change between the electrified and non-electrified track
@Darlene Kenny Hayes, you will need a a lot of money which you will have to be going to a good college and have a great education. but good luck to you
PLEASE DON'T SCRAP THE DIESELS!!!!! THEY LOOK AWESOME!! AT LEAST PRESEVE A HANDFUL OF THEM!!!
EGG BALLO they are only going about 75% electric trains for now
SAME BRO, CALTRAIN WAS MY LIFE
The Gilroy branch probably will temain longer.
They're probably going to keep a few of them on standby in case of electrical power failure. So they shouldn't all be going away, but more of a just in case method.
@@Lorsterthe34st which caltrain f40ph do you prefer, EMD built ones(f40ph-2/f40ph-2cat) or MPI built ones. #920-#922(f40ph-2c/some call them f40ph-3c?)
I can't frickin' wait for this and the High Speed Rail to be finished!!!!!!!!!!!
we will probably all be dead by then
kb6eyc not with that attitude.
Maybe we’ll die happily before it opens
They still are going to have to do 79
@@JoeyLovesTrains they have about 2-4 years to complete if possible or it will open in 2030???
Electrified Caltrains will enter into service in 2022 and CHSR (California High-Speed Rail) Will use the Caltrains Corridor in 2031 But CVS (Central Valley Segment) Will be open by 2029 for High-Speed Trains.
A suggestion - - In future equipment purchases, keep some locomotiive hauled cars and purchase dual-powered locomotives. These locomotives can go back and forth between electric power and diesel in about 90 seconds. These allow direct service between your electrified and non-electrified territory giving a no-transfer ride to people in diesel territory;and allowing expansion into new and low ridership territory without the huge financial commitment to immediate electrification. It also allows you keep your present locomotive hauled fleet and borrow/lend-out cars with other west coast systems. In New Jersey these locomotives have allowed direct service into New York City that have never before had it. A large fleet of electric only MU's is still a good idea, as these are more flexible in eveything from train length to braking, acceleration, and operating costs. They seem to allow more off-peak and late-night service as well.
or they could just buy some bi-mode EMU/DMUs. Or to be even more sensible, electrify the rest of the line.
They better keep their horns if not 99.9% of rail fans are gonna be pissed off.
well they are doing grade separations so less horns. also they will use the europeans horns which people usually hate in america
well stupid humans/NIMBY's have zero sense but they better use the P2 as a emergency horn instead of a electric one. main horn: electric horn emergency horn: P2. but already the EMU's were design there may not be enough space for the P2.
@@takashiPR incorrect, they will use lrt digital horns that you possible can't hear which is just more F**ked up. also grade separations need money also they can't interuppt certain parts where they grade separate.
Hey CalTrain have both diesel and electric locos if this doesn’t fail
Caltrain you might not like this but, i think amtrak might get electric trains to run in California too lol
cool actually we can have an acela on the west coast :D
I like the future trains but I dont want the "current" ones to go
Is it just me or do the Electrified Locos look like the German Dostos?
I haven’t drunken water in over 24 hours and now I am starting to see things what do?
theyve all ready ordered bunch of stadler kiss trainset
I rode on that train before.
If only this project could be done with Metra, the commuter rail system in Chicago with trains that look very similar to Caltrain in physical appearance AND even busier than Caltrain. Metra already has one electric line, so why not make the rest of the system electric as well?
Your electric trains look like the virm trains
Rip Diesels
Just don't srap your f40ph
Yes
Prepare to build a bart corridor next to it before it’s too late
bart is a different gauge than caltrain so you should've been asking for a corridor similar to e bart
MTA: hold my beer
Aww I never got to see the F40PHs or the MP36-3Cs...
1:32 that’s original the German 766.2 DBpdzfa wow America wow
Those are Stradler KISS sets
@@AVeryRandomPerson no there not
Just look at those lights
Compare then on google or something you see the difference
There are double deck but different construction method
@@nanotechniker Caltrain has ordered Stradler KISS sets, but if you're referring to the bad CGI, it turned Gallery Cars into Viewliners without cabs.
Hopefully at least you keep the horn (Nathan P2) the same on the electric locomotives! #CalTrain
don't use the K2 horns also the bell will be different than the graham e bell
but austin metro rail uses the emd steel bell PROBABLY so just hope caltrain uses it on their kiss units
@@trevorderper5050 No, E-Bells are cheaper and will be used.
@@AVeryRandomPerson oh sadly they may also use weird sounding bells used on texrail or Ebart or on most stadler trains in the US
Aaahh it is 2020
And not until at least 2022
@@AVeryRandomPerson nice it’s sad that Amtrak is about to retire the p42’s we should make a petition
@@hamtrak_p42dcamtrak67 they will keep probably the p42's on corridor services
Congratulations it's finally happening in may 2017!!!! More than 3 freak'in years later.
Thank you! We're so excited and ready to get to work.
+Caltrain, please think about making 4 tracks so you can run express services, without bunching up. Or is there a re-alignment for the High Speed Railway?
Blame all the freeking environmental reviews.
@@grad201187 Not enough space on the ROW in parts, and incredibly expensive in the rest.
Caltrain Should keep a small handful of F40s and Baby bullets / no level can cars
It's about time...!!!
In Japan, Germany, France, UK they've had FAST EFFICIENT ELECTRIC TRAINS FOR DECADES...
Well, the UK does not have that many electric lines either from a European perspective, but at least way more than the US.
While I have nothing against electrification, I absolutely oppose the decision to use EMUs. Rather, I'd like to see locomotives like the ones Amtrak just got (the ACS-64). Or, Amtrak could sell some of their lame-duck AEM-7s and HHP-8s to Caltrain, and refurbish the gallery cars and BiLevels. EMUs are boring. I prefer locomotive-hauled trains. California High-Speed Rail can use their EMUs as they like since nothing else would work. Caltrain should stick with locomotive-hauled trains, but use electric locomotives for the SF-Tamien trains, and the MP36s south of Tamien.
WHY YOU! NEVER CALL ME A FOAMER! THAT'S NOTHING BUT A DEROGATORY TERM TOWARDS RAILFANS AND YOU KNOW IT!!!
Caltrain service is to simplistic to required locomotive hauled equipment. It's also safer too. Push-pull config (which is a locomotive based system) has some faults that undermine safety (See 2005 Metrolink Glendale Crash). EMUs are also more economical. Motive power distribution will save Caltrain time and money which is greatly needed for the service. Locomotive hauled trains carry dead weight that takes more energy and time to stop.
However, Caltrain will probably still by some electric locos for maintenance of way and backups.
It's not about being boring, it's about being efficient, which a commuter rail system has to be.
How about locomotives like the "krokodil"?
but those loco's are using HEP which if they have a mechanical breakdown and even if the acs-64 locomotive and a failure there will be delays
@@TheDankEngineer that will take time
If this is such a revenue generator, why does it take so long to build, the Chinese built 1000 miles in 3yr, why can't we perform like a first world country we claim to be?
Because we decided to focus on cars instead of public transportation after WW2...
You already know the answers to that question, and if you don't you're an idiot.
Finally they go electric
What the hell i like Caltrain for the way it is and I been going on Caltrain since 2005 please don't change it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!¡!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No Caltrain Make Your Locomotives Diesel Electric Instead.
Metro Photo Negative Mickey Fan how is that going to make things much better?
They already are
he is probably talking about caltrain should get dual mode locomotives like a alp45-dp although a major downside is they are quite heavier than most normal diesel locomoitves.
@Caltrain, why don’t you guys build a new line for DESIEL services, and build the Electrification on the main line?
As another comment said here, not all of Caltrain's routes are owned by them. Some parts are owned by freight railroads. Also, Caltrain will also have all the legal bother for land acquisition if they're building a new line. Just look at HSR.
@AMTransitFan, facebook is planning the dumbarton rail corridor and it is possible that they won't electrify it so they might use the mp36's, bombardier bi levels, and gallery cars at least but too bad the f40ph's will retire
@@takashiPR dumbarton rail corridor will use new trains or something else like that
50,000?! Feels like theres 50k on my train every morning!
It's around 90K ridership a day back in February.
Omg european looking trains
Uhmm remember Amtrak and ACE runs through the lines so diesel will still run through.
Shooter Simulations Amtrak can run electric trains here and maybe move the old acelas here when the Avelias come or the acelas go on the keystone
@@alek488 but that means electrifying the amtrak corridor here