I think with so many people disagreeing with ur takes is a good thing. I've heard a lot of diff teir list and ppl talk about the roster. The options are diff everytime. Leading me think outside top 500, just get good with who u want and u will do great regardless. It's actually fairly balanced. If u buffed the bottom 3 heros and nerfed the top 3 the rest kinda even out.
One tip i have for Cap. If youre a Destiny 2 fan, play him like youre on titan's sentinel shield. I felt he was clunky at first but as soon as i heard someone say treat him like Void titan, it just clicked
@TheDirtRacerYT I like to approach with at least one other ally while guarding. Let them shoot the shield for a bit and as soon as they stop, immediately start attacking. Through in some jumps while you approach to play some mind games. If you really want to copy D2, do 2 neutral attacks, lunge then throw a shield
When you have a second vanguard and you are both working together, all of the vanguards are fantastic. I play all of them when I’m with my friend who also plays vanguard and we do really well coordinating together.
THIS. Man I really wish I had made this point because this is such a true statement about the dynamic between two vanguard that are just clicking. Great comment!
Saying magneto is the worst tank is wild considering hulk is right there lmao. Either you dont fw his kit or just cant play him thats fine but you failed to realize his strength is his staying power. The one thing you got right though is that melee characters are a threat to him. In the scenario that a melee character gets close you should right click with full stacks to push them back from you, disengaging them unless they want to keep pushing into your whole team. Hope this helps a vit when you have to prove to randos online that you know what youre doing on magneto lol
I said he's one of the worst vanguard in the game. You're absolutely right, Hulk is right there with him, but there in lies exactly what we're talking about. They're both considered weaker if you compare the entire vanguard lineup. To be clear, no hero is outright bad in the right hands...probably should have lead with that
some tips for groot is that he can cast two of the small walls at once if ya hold down the shift key and then aim where ya want them his melle attack also does a small knock up on the 3 hit of the combo as well also kinda surprised groot cant regen health in any way as he quite litterally nearly killed him self to protect the guardians of the galaxy in their movie yet he was able to regenerate him self that and his a walking plant, and plants can regrow them selves etc
I didn't say he was bad. I said he's one of the worst vanguard in the game. Comparatively that's true, he's on the weaker end of the spectrum. You can disagree, that's fine
Okay, some people are saying your takes where bad when you reached Magneto, but it truly clicked for me when you talked about Thor. I *just* watched a top 500 Thor player explaining the character properly and it's pretty much nothing like you described Thor. His thor force recharges on melee hit after his RMB and his shift ability, so he *can* be mobile as hell, and using his 3-charges ability actually leaves you way more vulnerable precisely because you limit your own mobility and versatility in exchange for extended range.
You have to understand that most players are never going to reach a top 500 status. We're not bringing that level of analysis to this type of video. That being said I'm confident we have a firm grasp of these characters and definitely stand by my Thor take as it's one of the vanguard play the most. It might not be a top 500 level of detail or nuance, but it's going to serve most casual players well.
Taking into consideration what you're saying by each vanguard by themselves alone then i mostly agree with your assessments and you're definitely right on about the kits. I think where everyone is having such a negative response is putting them into a competent team setting (which was stated) then that is where the "he's OP or weakest" kind of goes off rails for some. All in all this video definitely validated much of what i was feeling and now I know what i was doing wrong with Thor. Keep em coming.
@LegacyGamingUS no he doesn't, you are wrong and need to re evaluate. And don't insult my intelligence, I think you're smart enough to figure out that any issue you have with magneto is a skill issue on your part, he has been top tier since the first play test and although he has been nerfed, he remains phenomenal
@@CornbreadEarllHe didn’t insult your intelligence. Don’t be insecure over a disagreement Great you think magneto good, others are allowed to think otherwise
@@CornbreadEarll Are you ok? Do you need a hug? It's ok that people have opinions that don't line up with yours. It's ok that you like magneto and that he doesn't like him as much. It's ok.
Personally love the Hulk Very good at distracting people as he jumps around the battle field punching people. The distraction itself is enough to keep the team safe long enough for them to cause damage.
WARNING: Way too long comment. Well personally I think you just didn't give Magneto enough credit. Surprise, I know, but let me at least give my opinion unlike other's. His shield is phenomenal in my eyes. 3 seconds of indestructible shield when fully charged. Takes like 10 seconds to charge fully, so you are getting a 3 second shield like every 12 seconds. Add a 300hp bubble in that same time-frame, he can get to where he wants to be if you really feel inclined to. Just like with Strange, you can walk through chokes with your shield. It's on a 3 second cool-down so you can even play somewhat reactionary. Block a strong single burst ability/ult, you only need 1 second of indestructible shield to do that. The bubbles are amazing for supporting flankers, like that's just gonna always be a boon IMHO. When pressured he can bubble himself and the knock-back is nice to kite melee attackers with. He isn't a complete sitting duck when dove. He has less pressure that isn't really wrong. He likes his natural cover. But I wouldn't say he's the worst Vanguard because he is of the poke variety. He's a variety of Dr. Strange in my eyes and that's not a bad thing to be. He's just not the most exciting Vanguard to play, Dr. Strange has the better ult and fun with portals. Solid Vanguard all around and I feel there are Vanguards with way bigger niches that make it weird to me to call him the worst of the bunch.
So I have to call it out here. Living legend is not a save your self move. The ult buffs you and any one in your radius. It is a move you should be using during Tema fights when your team is closish to you. 😊
Saying Venom is op and then saying you need a competent Strat is kind counterintuitive don’t ya think? OP is meant for characters that don’t need any help for most occasions.
He can be an overpowered character in the wrong hands though. That's what I'm getting at. I've seen plenty of bad Venom players just dive bomb and not know what to do. That doesn't make the character itself less op, just not being played correctly
Peni is my favorite. I once went 64 and 6 and that never happens for me. You can get healing from using the stun web on the ground and standing in it too.
If you line up the vanguards Magneto is one of the weaker ones. You can disagree, that's fine, but you won't find most people taking him over some of the other options. No hero is a bad in a vacuum, maybe I should have made that more clear.
Hey man like your content but magneto and thor bad dude mobility for tanks is not that big of a deal maybe you like playing dive and that is fine but thor has the best mobility out of all of them his dash is the biggest part of his tool kit knocking people out of positions and bringing the tank to your team. As for magneto I think you are just dead wrong not your character and that is fine. His damage is great and him and thor put together I think is the best vanguard combo. Again dude like your content and respect for putting your opinion out there personally I don't want to come across as rood or snarky. Also I will say that the two worst vanguards in my opinion are hulk and Captain America.
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Groot
Venom. You got to do these videos for all the dps characters. I must know how some characters work
I think with so many people disagreeing with ur takes is a good thing. I've heard a lot of diff teir list and ppl talk about the roster. The options are diff everytime. Leading me think outside top 500, just get good with who u want and u will do great regardless. It's actually fairly balanced. If u buffed the bottom 3 heros and nerfed the top 3 the rest kinda even out.
One tip i have for Cap. If youre a Destiny 2 fan, play him like youre on titan's sentinel shield. I felt he was clunky at first but as soon as i heard someone say treat him like Void titan, it just clicked
can we get a translation for non destiny players
@TheDirtRacerYT I like to approach with at least one other ally while guarding. Let them shoot the shield for a bit and as soon as they stop, immediately start attacking. Through in some jumps while you approach to play some mind games. If you really want to copy D2, do 2 neutral attacks, lunge then throw a shield
@@TheDirtRacerYTthen this comment isn’t for you sorry bub
@TheDirtRacerYT I guess a more mobile Rein? Idk. I played Destiny so the initial comment makes sense to me
When you have a second vanguard and you are both working together, all of the vanguards are fantastic. I play all of them when I’m with my friend who also plays vanguard and we do really well coordinating together.
THIS. Man I really wish I had made this point because this is such a true statement about the dynamic between two vanguard that are just clicking. Great comment!
Saying magneto is the worst tank is wild considering hulk is right there lmao. Either you dont fw his kit or just cant play him thats fine but you failed to realize his strength is his staying power.
The one thing you got right though is that melee characters are a threat to him. In the scenario that a melee character gets close you should right click with full stacks to push them back from you, disengaging them unless they want to keep pushing into your whole team. Hope this helps a vit when you have to prove to randos online that you know what youre doing on magneto lol
I said he's one of the worst vanguard in the game. You're absolutely right, Hulk is right there with him, but there in lies exactly what we're talking about. They're both considered weaker if you compare the entire vanguard lineup. To be clear, no hero is outright bad in the right hands...probably should have lead with that
Except everyone else considers mag one of the best tanks
some tips for groot is that he can cast two of the small walls at once if ya hold down the shift key and then aim where ya want them
his melle attack also does a small knock up on the 3 hit of the combo as well
also kinda surprised groot cant regen health in any way as he quite litterally nearly killed him self to protect the guardians of the galaxy in their movie yet he was able to regenerate him self
that and his a walking plant, and plants can regrow them selves etc
“Magneto is bad”
LMAAAAOOOOO
I didn't say he was bad. I said he's one of the worst vanguard in the game. Comparatively that's true, he's on the weaker end of the spectrum. You can disagree, that's fine
@@LegacyGamingUS
He’s very easily AT LEAST the third best tank in the game, just after Strange and possibly even tied with Groot for second.
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Also, calling Venom OP is just funny.
@@LFanimes333lol exactly
@@LFanimes333 he doesn’t play pvp so it’s all good
Okay, some people are saying your takes where bad when you reached Magneto, but it truly clicked for me when you talked about Thor. I *just* watched a top 500 Thor player explaining the character properly and it's pretty much nothing like you described Thor. His thor force recharges on melee hit after his RMB and his shift ability, so he *can* be mobile as hell, and using his 3-charges ability actually leaves you way more vulnerable precisely because you limit your own mobility and versatility in exchange for extended range.
You have to understand that most players are never going to reach a top 500 status. We're not bringing that level of analysis to this type of video. That being said I'm confident we have a firm grasp of these characters and definitely stand by my Thor take as it's one of the vanguard play the most. It might not be a top 500 level of detail or nuance, but it's going to serve most casual players well.
Pro tip for hulk you can hold the jump button and it will charge up in the background as you use your abilities
There’s also a setting to where you can change it to a press to charge for those who don’t want to constantly hold jump
Tank main here. Captain America is my boy but I like to play a few different ones. We be cooking and disrupting over here.
Taking into consideration what you're saying by each vanguard by themselves alone then i mostly agree with your assessments and you're definitely right on about the kits. I think where everyone is having such a negative response is putting them into a competent team setting (which was stated) then that is where the "he's OP or weakest" kind of goes off rails for some. All in all this video definitely validated much of what i was feeling and now I know what i was doing wrong with Thor. Keep em coming.
Absolutely awful take saying Magneto is bad.
No hero is bad in a vacuum. I think you're smart enough to figure that out, but when you compare Magneto to the other vanguard he falls behind.
@LegacyGamingUS no he doesn't, you are wrong and need to re evaluate. And don't insult my intelligence, I think you're smart enough to figure out that any issue you have with magneto is a skill issue on your part, he has been top tier since the first play test and although he has been nerfed, he remains phenomenal
@@CornbreadEarllHe didn’t insult your intelligence. Don’t be insecure over a disagreement
Great you think magneto good, others are allowed to think otherwise
@KingAkintoba saying "I think your smart enough" is a underhanded insult. Mind your business he is a grown man and can defend himself.
@@CornbreadEarll Are you ok? Do you need a hug?
It's ok that people have opinions that don't line up with yours.
It's ok that you like magneto and that he doesn't like him as much.
It's ok.
Personally love the Hulk
Very good at distracting people as he jumps around the battle field punching people. The distraction itself is enough to keep the team safe long enough for them to cause damage.
I hate him on my team . 9 times out of 10 my hulks just dive into instant death lol
@@erickmalm9458 I'm with you man. That's why I rather be the hulk.
Hulk isn’t even just the worst tank. He’s easily the worst character in the entire game and by far.
The trick is to charge the jump while attacking so you can get out of the enemy team swarm super quick
@@LFanimes333 I would not mind a buff. Maybe extend the life of his barrier and a DPS buff.
Excellent tips and tricks! Thanks for sharing this, mate. Venom is my favourite character, so it pretty much aligns with what you said
I beg the differ. My main in overwatch, was a tank (sigma).. 90% of the time I’m mvp. Sooooo. 😁.. highest kill, hero damage etc..
Sounds like you're well above the average player ;) How do I get you on my team!
@ let’s goo!!.. I’m down. I haven’t played in a minute,. But that’s not an issue for me!. If you’re serious, I’ll come out of retirement 😎..
Thank you kodiac
I AM GROOT!
WARNING: Way too long comment.
Well personally I think you just didn't give Magneto enough credit.
Surprise, I know, but let me at least give my opinion unlike other's.
His shield is phenomenal in my eyes. 3 seconds of indestructible shield when fully charged.
Takes like 10 seconds to charge fully, so you are getting a 3 second shield like every 12 seconds.
Add a 300hp bubble in that same time-frame, he can get to where he wants to be if you really feel inclined to.
Just like with Strange, you can walk through chokes with your shield.
It's on a 3 second cool-down so you can even play somewhat reactionary.
Block a strong single burst ability/ult, you only need 1 second of indestructible shield to do that.
The bubbles are amazing for supporting flankers, like that's just gonna always be a boon IMHO.
When pressured he can bubble himself and the knock-back is nice to kite melee attackers with.
He isn't a complete sitting duck when dove.
He has less pressure that isn't really wrong. He likes his natural cover.
But I wouldn't say he's the worst Vanguard because he is of the poke variety.
He's a variety of Dr. Strange in my eyes and that's not a bad thing to be.
He's just not the most exciting Vanguard to play, Dr. Strange has the better ult and fun with portals.
Solid Vanguard all around and I feel there are Vanguards with way bigger niches that make it weird to me to call him the worst of the bunch.
Walnut, genuinely appreciate you providing a genuinely interesting comment. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts!
Magneto
So I have to call it out here. Living legend is not a save your self move. The ult buffs you and any one in your radius. It is a move you should be using during Tema fights when your team is closish to you. 😊
Living Legend is just your shield move. Cap's ulti is Freedom Charge
I get mvp all the time playing tank 💀
That's awesome man. Thanks should get it more!
Saying Venom is op and then saying you need a competent Strat is kind counterintuitive don’t ya think?
OP is meant for characters that don’t need any help for most occasions.
He can be an overpowered character in the wrong hands though. That's what I'm getting at. I've seen plenty of bad Venom players just dive bomb and not know what to do. That doesn't make the character itself less op, just not being played correctly
Venom gets absolutely shut down by a good Luna / Mantis
@@TheButcherGorr and hooked by Winter Soldier. Like there’s a good amount of crowd control
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Peni is my favorite. I once went 64 and 6 and that never happens for me. You can get healing from using the stun web on the ground and standing in it too.
Peni is op
Peni is the absolute GOAT. I'm also a huge Peni fan
Yikes I was enjoying the video until we got to Magneto. Lol….
If you line up the vanguards Magneto is one of the weaker ones. You can disagree, that's fine, but you won't find most people taking him over some of the other options. No hero is a bad in a vacuum, maybe I should have made that more clear.
Magneto is considered the best tank, strange can solo, hulk does have good damage. Bro ur out of ur league
You're allowed your opinion boss. Excitedly waiting for your video to drop
I mean you are legitimately the only person I've seen say that magneto is not good. might want to take a 2nd look at him
Some love for Thor Button ❤
Thor is the underappreciated goat of damage/defense
Your takes are just flat out bad not gonna lie.
Cool, so what are you adding to the conversation here? If your takes are spot on what did we get wrong?
Hey man like your content but magneto and thor bad dude mobility for tanks is not that big of a deal maybe you like playing dive and that is fine but thor has the best mobility out of all of them his dash is the biggest part of his tool kit knocking people out of positions and bringing the tank to your team. As for magneto I think you are just dead wrong not your character and that is fine. His damage is great and him and thor put together I think is the best vanguard combo. Again dude like your content and respect for putting your opinion out there personally I don't want to come across as rood or snarky. Also I will say that the two worst vanguards in my opinion are hulk and Captain America.
This video was a big miss
Anxiously waiting for your video that will be a "big hit"
@ not sure why your panties are all bunched up. You aren’t a pvp guy - and it shows. No sweat