My son was from the G.E.P. His twin brother wasn't. There is a difference in their abilities. However, the non-G.E.P. son is the Lee Kuan Yew gold medallist. In life, if we are self-motivated and diligent, it pays off. When they joined the workforce, what matters a great deal is being passionate in what they do, being humble to learn as green horns...Thank God for Singapore's MOE.
This is probably my favourite local podcast. I've watched it ever since Steve was the only host and I always appreciate him daring to ask the challenging questions (in an appropriate way) at the right moments. Good sharing of different perspectives about important issues. Relatively short episodes compared to other long-form podcasts but no time is wasted. Crispina is probably still learning but yeah, Steve I feel is clear and concise in his presentation and he nails the timing while not disrupting the flow of the convo - that takes skill and experience.
Kudos to Mr Chan. Good to know someone is thinking very hard about our education system with a new mindset and has the will and means to change it for the better.
The host, Crispina, keeps interrupting when the others are talking is extremely irritating. It would be great to just let Steve Chia hosts the show alone.
Totally agreed. Steve is a way better presenter and interviewer. Crispina basically drowns you out with her intrusive voice, like teaching a class, basically treating the others at the table like students.
There are many good and excellent teachers. They deserve the gratitude and praises. But some of them are too stressed up or concerned about ranking to understand and care for pupils not in their control, and in tbe process they damage the children. Sad but it happens. Parents have to shoulder and repair the damage. Is ideal that every pupil is cared and nurtured to be his best.
Schools have brand recognition and heritage. A Gucci bag is desirable not because of the workmanship but because of the social status and bragging rights. To remove that mindset. Consider something drastic. Rename and rebrand all schools.
We need to assess whether our kids are fit for study or not. Whether they value their neighborhood friends or not. They may drift apart and be demoralised if they enter a good school, far from home without familiar friends. My friend was lucky to enter a good school, got no friends and in the end she dropped out because she did not feel she belongs there.
I wonder why the podcast didn’t include current / past students from the GEP in the interview to ask about their experience in the program. For some gifted and 2e/3e kids (and parents), the GEP is a lifeline to and much needed Avenue of support and learning, especially if parents are not able to send their kids to all sorts of enrichment.
Schools have been the sieve for the more academically inclined. That was and still is mostly correct for nation building. Now, and from now on, the variety of talents have to be tapped for sustaining nation-built SG. And also because a relative over-supply of academically-inclined people has been produced thanks to the fundamentally sound education systems. More diverse young learners would be happier than more brainy ones. All rounders would thrive together with specific-talent people.
Both our daughters started their primary education in a neighbourhood school, one just made it to a neighbourhood secondary school express stream, the other to Hwa Chong Humanities program. From my personal experience, this change will benefit all the kids, at all levels, even for my daughter who went to HCI.
How get more teachers: 1. Reduce admin work 2. Need a separate discipline team which includes retired teachers, retired army officer, part time professional athletes and social workers. 3. Provide long service awards or long holiday break after certain years of service 4. Work out a balance why so teachers are still moon lighting as a tutor and earn more while others are wholeheartedly dedicated to teaching. 5. Provide more training opportunity for them to catch up new teaching methodologies. 6. Make it clear you are recruiting teachers or educator 教师，教育工作者？
It is not true that sg cannot get quality teachers. The reason why many moe teachers have left and new ones don't want to join is because sg teachers are given too many administration works to do instead of doing teaching (their passion). Hope that moe will interview all past teachers who have left and future teachers to better support and retain them.
In the first place, the government originated an inflexible education system, brand recognition & heritage that brought all the side effects & social faux pas. Mr Chan, acknowledge the "ownership" that these didn't come out of nowhere including the soaring property market that parents had to pay to have their children educated under the influence. By the way, are practices of the INORDINATELY still existing within schools & MOE - In the 1980s, my schoolmate was expelled for intimacy with a male teacher (maybe they kissed, we didn't know the details) but the teacher stayed on. I believe she was the only daughter to two working parents. My cousin, a Malaysian whose parents seeked education for him in Singapore was expelled from St. Joseph's Institution for just having cut-class & called a teacher "bitch". My dad pleaded with the Principal & MOE. A brusque snap-head-off was what dad experienced tenaciously. With disregard that the boy made through every exam, a bright kid & never known to anyone as surly. The parents were working class people with 3 other younger ones at home in Malaysia. The potential prospect of a bright boy ripped to shreds, ruined completely.
I have seen multiple fellow parents jump to the top every time their children say something. My kids rolled their eyes and said teachers explain clearly in class and others were not listening.... Teachers end up in the principal office explaining to the different groups of parents. So that they can go home and explain to their child. Furthermore my kids found out about the complaint simply because teachers had to explain in class again. Parents really please teach children to focus and the listening skills very needed for lessons that's all not all this extra lessons....cause actually most of them already have the min🎉dset that school work isn't as important as tuition work....
Key takeaways from this: 1. Min Chan is able to explain his ideas well. He can make a complex subject and make it easy for the layman to understand. An intelligent and humble minister. Very sayang that he did not become the PM. 2. Female presenter is very annoying because she keeps interrupting everyone, even the minister. Her voice is also very loud and irritating. A presenter needs to modulate her voice. Please learn from Steve Chia. 3. Love Steve Chia. Always asks the right questions and at the right time. Never interrupting and yet able to get his thoughts across. He never speaks over his guests.
Talking round and round does not help young parents clear the confusing change of mindset required. Just tell kids, "Better yourself compared to who you were yesterday, everyday".
IMHO the recent moves in education are all wrong on multiple levels. Take this recent GEP move for example, it defeats the first principles of why the GEP was established in the first place; to provide these Special Needs children a safe and secure environment where they can learn. The cynic in me says that all the recent moves in education are populist and made to counter opposition narratives about education and widening socio-economic gaps; and not really for the benefit of children and the future of Singapore education as a whole. I hope they can prove me wrong... :(
www.linkedin.com/posts/pooja-b-a6703283_singapore-overhauls-gifted-education-tackles-activity-7236242441496862723-UKCc? This is a good piece that talks about precisely this
Wrongly term as fundamental . How many per cent of children are eligible? This isn't help the mass majority of the school going children. But merely make most of them who are not eligible feel worse off. There is much more improvement that needs to boost and improve our children morale and joy of learning. Put more effort or get external consultants to provide this and make more effort to provide our majority of our kids education as all round.
Please don't push the issue to others. Please let the neighbour clean up the straits. A video showed neighbour's garbage collector dirtied the straits.
Maybe... parents need counselling ... parents don't need to be kiasu. ... maybe we need to groom the children & parents in knowing God first. Once they are in God's grace....all these Sadness will be ended.
hello Christian here. Don't use God as a fix it. The issue here is understand ourselves as parents , our children and what is best practices out there based on the child's profile... its good to know God but to think He will solve problems from a spiritual perspective is pure fallacy
That's a first-world PAP govt ranked the most effective in the world. All s'poreans, including those from the opposition parties and their followers, benefit from the good work of the PAP govt.❤❤
@@isorokuyamamoto8423 you can check Wikipedia. she has a page there. She was a student at Raffles Girls' School, where she was enlisted in the country's Gifted Education Programme and Hwa Chong Junior College
@@isorokuyamamoto8423 You can check Wikipedia: She was a student at Raffles Girls' School, where she was enlisted in the country's Gifted Education Programme and Hwa Chong Junior College
@@isorokuyamamoto8423 You can check Wikipedia: She was a student at Raffles Girls' School, where she was enlisted in the country's Gifted Education Programme and Hwa Chong Junior College
CNA, please remove the lady host in future interviews. She does not know how to be a good host or facilitator. She kept interjecting when other members are trying to share their opinions. Steve Chia is good enough without her.
Don't thank too early. Lets set the bar right especially about the raise in salary having you to represent MOE. Didn't you say cotton comes from sheep?
@vincecarlo ahh... i see where you coming at. I guess u didn't went thru our kindergarten? You don't have any baa baa black sheep on you, base on your reply. Lol~ You may change your goal post on this conversation liao cos you are different and special. 🤭
What has the GEP produced - where are these High Ability Learners? First ask this question. Just encourages tuition center culture. Even moving it to individual schools - is good, but the real issue is implementation - the devil is in the detail.
Talking about mindset change? I think people will be very convinced if ministers children also attend neighbourhood schools. Look at what the politicians do, not what they say….
Chan Chun Seng is not a good talker. He is always stuck with simple questions during interview. An education minister needs to be eloquent as well as sharp.
My son was from the G.E.P. His twin brother wasn't. There is a difference in their abilities. However, the non-G.E.P. son is the Lee Kuan Yew gold medallist. In life, if we are self-motivated and diligent, it pays off. When they joined the workforce, what matters a great deal is being passionate in what they do, being humble to learn as green horns...Thank God for Singapore's MOE.
This is probably my favourite local podcast. I've watched it ever since Steve was the only host and I always appreciate him daring to ask the challenging questions (in an appropriate way) at the right moments. Good sharing of different perspectives about important issues. Relatively short episodes compared to other long-form podcasts but no time is wasted. Crispina is probably still learning but yeah, Steve I feel is clear and concise in his presentation and he nails the timing while not disrupting the flow of the convo - that takes skill and experience.
Education portfolio suits Minister Chan. Well done Sir. I am happy that my children have you shaping their learning journey.
Kudos to Mr Chan. Good to know someone is thinking very hard about our education system with a new mindset and has the will and means to change it for the better.
On the other hand, the support system ll create an increase in social stigma...7% to 7.7% of branding.
i have to say chan chun sing is one clever fella, it's a shame he's not pm
Minister of education 👍👏well done
I like that the change may potentially reinstill the joy of learning, instead of chasing grades only
The female host keeps interrupting any speaker who is talking.
IRRITATING
Yup. Not a very good interviewer
😅
You mean Robert lah
Grade B …… that is exactly her standard !
The host, Crispina, keeps interrupting when the others are talking is extremely irritating. It would be great to just let Steve Chia hosts the show alone.
You mean Robert?😅
Totally agreed. Steve is a way better presenter and interviewer. Crispina basically drowns you out with her intrusive voice, like teaching a class, basically treating the others at the table like students.
precisely! Be it Minister or other guests, I think she should learn to practise turn-taking when talking. This is a basic courtesy.
No offense to B grades, but sometimes grades do mean a lot and right.
There are many good and excellent teachers. They deserve the gratitude and praises. But some of them are too stressed up or concerned about ranking to understand and care for pupils not in their control, and in tbe process they damage the children. Sad but it happens. Parents have to shoulder and repair the damage. Is ideal that every pupil is cared and nurtured to be his best.
Schools have brand recognition and heritage. A Gucci bag is desirable not because of the workmanship but because of the social status and bragging rights.
To remove that mindset. Consider something drastic. Rename and rebrand all schools.
If Gucci wont do that, I dont think schools will. Its like saying all hotels must be renamed. No more Raffles Hotel, to be renamed as Farquhar hotel
Just get rid of comparison & have a mindset true to yourself.@TheMrleeyang
Then don’t work, how?
@@TheMrleeyang the government can if they want.
Such a insightful interview for Crispina. CCS and Steven were good host.
You want the BEST for teachers so that they can be the best for our childrdn. That sums it up.
We need to assess whether our kids are fit for study or not. Whether they value their neighborhood friends or not. They may drift apart and be demoralised if they enter a good school, far from home without familiar friends. My friend was lucky to enter a good school, got no friends and in the end she dropped out because she did not feel she belongs there.
Be yourself and if anyone else is ahead, dun get personal. Help those who are in need. You will be happier that way.
I wonder why the podcast didn’t include current / past students from the GEP in the interview to ask about their experience in the program. For some gifted and 2e/3e kids (and parents), the GEP is a lifeline to and much needed Avenue of support and learning, especially if parents are not able to send their kids to all sorts of enrichment.
5:55 "[GEP students] are Generally good at everything"...does anypne else think this is the fundamental mistake in logic?
Comparison and competition are the kiddos worst enemies
Schools have been the sieve for the more academically inclined. That was and still is mostly correct for nation building.
Now, and from now on, the variety of talents have to be tapped for sustaining nation-built SG. And also because a relative over-supply of academically-inclined people has been produced thanks to the fundamentally sound education systems. More diverse young learners would be happier than more brainy ones. All rounders would thrive together with specific-talent people.
Both our daughters started their primary education in a neighbourhood school, one just made it to a neighbourhood secondary school express stream, the other to Hwa Chong Humanities program. From my personal experience, this change will benefit all the kids, at all levels, even for my daughter who went to HCI.
How get more teachers:
1. Reduce admin work
2. Need a separate discipline team which includes retired teachers, retired army officer, part time professional athletes and social workers.
3. Provide long service awards or long holiday break after certain years of service
4. Work out a balance why so teachers are still moon lighting as a tutor and earn more while others are wholeheartedly dedicated to teaching.
5. Provide more training opportunity for them to catch up new teaching methodologies.
6. Make it clear you are recruiting teachers or educator
教师，教育工作者？
Patience. All take times to be better.
It is not true that sg cannot get quality teachers. The reason why many moe teachers have left and new ones don't want to join is because sg teachers are given too many administration works to do instead of doing teaching (their passion). Hope that moe will interview all past teachers who have left and future teachers to better support and retain them.
Respect is very importance in any occupation
11:58 And then they pit teachers against one another in their performance grade
The word "gifted" should not even be used; It's a vicious brand...
In the first place, the government originated an inflexible education system, brand recognition & heritage that brought all the side effects & social faux pas.
Mr Chan, acknowledge the "ownership" that these didn't come out of nowhere including the soaring property market that parents had to pay to have their children educated under the influence.
By the way, are practices of the INORDINATELY still existing within schools & MOE -
In the 1980s, my schoolmate was expelled for intimacy with a male teacher (maybe they kissed, we didn't know the details) but the teacher stayed on. I believe she was the only daughter to two working parents.
My cousin, a Malaysian whose parents seeked education for him in Singapore was expelled from St. Joseph's Institution for just having cut-class & called a teacher "bitch". My dad pleaded with the Principal & MOE. A brusque snap-head-off was what dad experienced tenaciously. With disregard that the boy made through every exam, a bright kid & never known to anyone as surly. The parents were working class people with 3 other younger ones at home in Malaysia. The potential prospect of a bright boy ripped to shreds, ruined completely.
Don't be so blunt. Else people can discern the U-turn
Idea is good. BUT do we have enough teachers to keep class size small ?
Instead of calling it a U-turn, they call it a shift. WP LTK said something similar regarding something else some years ago
Yes correct mutual trust and understanding
I have seen multiple fellow parents jump to the top every time their children say something. My kids rolled their eyes and said teachers explain clearly in class and others were not listening....
Teachers end up in the principal office explaining to the different groups of parents. So that they can go home and explain to their child. Furthermore my kids found out about the complaint simply because teachers had to explain in class again.
Parents really please teach children to focus and the listening skills very needed for lessons that's all not all this extra lessons....cause actually most of them already have the min🎉dset that school work isn't as important as tuition work....
They charge $800 for tuition GEP maths and English
Good podcast in spite of audio issues. Hope ministers good intentions manifest in good outcomes
Key takeaways from this:
1. Min Chan is able to explain his ideas well. He can make a complex subject and make it easy for the layman to understand. An intelligent and humble minister. Very sayang that he did not become the PM.
2. Female presenter is very annoying because she keeps interrupting everyone, even the minister. Her voice is also very loud and irritating. A presenter needs to modulate her voice. Please learn from Steve Chia.
3. Love Steve Chia. Always asks the right questions and at the right time. Never interrupting and yet able to get his thoughts across. He never speaks over his guests.
I repeated primary 6...3 times!!!! So much for my life. Thanks to it. I am miserable.
Why are you miserable? Cos you repeated for P6 3 times? Or you ain't doing well in society now and you feel miserable?
What does GEP covers?
Talking round and round does not help young parents clear the confusing change of mindset required.
Just tell kids, "Better yourself compared to who you were yesterday, everyday".
Based on GEP ability E2K in my school they said
What about teacher assessment? How to evvaluate trachers fsirly?
Steve Chia is good, crispina should not just interupt
@marranr6057 grade B… don’t expect more……
For our school E2K for only GEP ability based selected
We want CHANGE, not lip service.
IMHO the recent moves in education are all wrong on multiple levels. Take this recent GEP move for example, it defeats the first principles of why the GEP was established in the first place; to provide these Special Needs children a safe and secure environment where they can learn. The cynic in me says that all the recent moves in education are populist and made to counter opposition narratives about education and widening socio-economic gaps; and not really for the benefit of children and the future of Singapore education as a whole. I hope they can prove me wrong... :(
www.linkedin.com/posts/pooja-b-a6703283_singapore-overhauls-gifted-education-tackles-activity-7236242441496862723-UKCc?
This is a good piece that talks about precisely this
State media is honest because....
Wrongly term as fundamental . How many per cent of children are eligible? This isn't help the mass majority of the school going children. But merely make most of them who are not eligible feel worse off. There is much more improvement that needs to boost and improve our children morale and joy of learning. Put more effort or get external consultants to provide this and make more effort to provide our majority of our kids education as all round.
That's why young people should understand the fundamental of language. English is Ambiguous inherently. This is why roti prata
Please don’t give excuses , Please clean up the straits, Good for neighbour,
Please don't push the issue to others. Please let the neighbour clean up the straits. A video showed neighbour's garbage collector dirtied the straits.
Maybe... parents need counselling ... parents don't need to be kiasu. ... maybe we need to groom the children & parents in knowing God first. Once they are in God's grace....all these Sadness will be ended.
hello Christian here. Don't use God as a fix it. The issue here is understand ourselves as parents , our children and what is best practices out there based on the child's profile... its good to know God but to think He will solve problems from a spiritual perspective is pure fallacy
How many people are (C ka Liao) will know information about this education system? (All just passed, EM3, NT, ITE.
What for u nd to know when u cant even meet e bar?...
Not all Parents
almost 3 mins in and no introduction for the guest..
CCS, PSLE is a sorting exam for secondary school allocation… don’t skirt around that… it is necessary… no need to apologise for it…
SIR.....WHY $150 LEVY CHARGE FOR CITIZENS TO ENTER CASINOS???????
Bro, wrong channel 😅
USELESS minister of Transport Also talk about SES
Becasue GOD said so.
@@vincecarlo Jealously rears its head again.
@@vincecarlo Jealousy rears its head again.
Lack of Foresight results in making a U-turn ahead
That's a first-world PAP govt ranked the most effective in the world. All s'poreans, including those from the opposition parties and their followers, benefit from the good work of the PAP govt.❤❤
GEP graduate, Annabel Chong, broke international records.
She Will Be REMEMBERED Forever
she was born in 1972, the program started only for those born after 1975 leh.... not from GEP la...
@@isorokuyamamoto8423 you can check Wikipedia. she has a page there.
She was a student at Raffles Girls' School, where she was enlisted in the country's Gifted Education Programme and Hwa Chong Junior College
@@isorokuyamamoto8423
You can check Wikipedia:
She was a student at Raffles Girls' School, where she was enlisted in the country's Gifted Education Programme and Hwa Chong Junior College
@@isorokuyamamoto8423 You can check Wikipedia:
She was a student at Raffles Girls' School, where she was enlisted in the country's Gifted Education Programme and Hwa Chong Junior College
SIR.....WP??????
CNA, please remove the lady host in future interviews. She does not know how to be a good host or facilitator. She kept interjecting when other members are trying to share their opinions. Steve Chia is good enough without her.
If Singapore does not go for excellence it is slow down turn to lesser city of excellence.
Crispina. Learn not to interrupt people.
SIR.....WHY???????????
Question for gifted scholars :
Why does cotton come from sheep?
Last but not least, is there gerrymandering in singapura?
Hellloooo?? Unable to even answer simple questions?????
Already know u ll be one who ll be left behind...all e best ya
So every thing is always good jn singapore.😅
Don't thank too early.
Lets set the bar right especially about the raise in salary having you to represent MOE. Didn't you say cotton comes from sheep?
Paper General needs to Go BACK to kindergarten
@@vincecarlo Jealosuly rears its head.
@@vincecarlofor?
@@Hardtruthhurts
" Baa baa Black Sheep Have you Any WOOL "
Did You get formal education or FAIL KINDERGARTEN ?
@vincecarlo ahh... i see where you coming at.
I guess u didn't went thru our kindergarten? You don't have any baa baa black sheep on you, base on your reply. Lol~
You may change your goal post on this conversation liao cos you are different and special. 🤭
The civil servant director look like a kid. 🤭
What has the GEP produced - where are these High Ability Learners? First ask this question. Just encourages tuition center culture. Even moving it to individual schools - is good, but the real issue is implementation - the devil is in the detail.
Annabel chong
Talking about mindset change? I think people will be very convinced if ministers children also attend neighbourhood schools. Look at what the politicians do, not what they say….
System not same
26:40 是我最希望看到在改善的。部长你知道有多少老师护士工程师因为地产经纪很好赚而转跑道的吗？国家培养的人才都去赚快钱了，也是时候该改变了。
Wow who is this guy?
Deep dive?
They are just swimming in a pond in front of the Great Asia.
Ha ha ha!
Jealous Malaysian???
Volkman Forge
Netizen should move on with cotton joke. Till when you want to keep harping with stale joke.
Eh, what?
😂❤
Jaclyn Flats
The two podcast hosts opening banter is absolutely cringey
If you compare
Yout child then mental
Case go out
Chan Chun Seng is not a good talker. He is always stuck with simple questions during interview. An education minister needs to be eloquent as well as sharp.
Huh
I thought he comes across as someone who is able to explain complex issues in a fairly simple and understandable manner to the common man.
@David_Vincenzo ... yes agree, Minister Chan does speak well and his explanations are done in a very simplistic manner
Paper General lah
Don't EVEN Know Cotton does NOT come from 🐑
I dont think you were listening... I think he was the best speaker at that table, followed by Steve Chia.
Paper General Don't Even know Cotton does NOT Come from 🐑
Minister of Education, DAMN Joke
Jealously rears its head again and again
SIR......WHY NO ANSWER.S???????WHY .150$ CASINO LEVY FOR CITIZENS.....CASINO FOR FOREIGNERS.....FW....FOC....??????????WHY WHY WHY
That's why u were nvr gifted...
部长，高材不是天才！如果取消高材教育仅仅只是害怕你家像小花小草那么脆弱的孩子因为转校而不开心…… 那你真是太看不起你的小小国民的韧力了！