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Should you know how to read sheet music as a drummer? Is it important skill to have in order to make it in the music industry? Does Dennis Chambers know how to read sheet music? What about the other legendary drummers?
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I lost a gig that paid $100/hr because I couldn’t read well. Now I can sight read like a mother. And btw, Buddy and Dennis are both some of my all-time fav drummers. Got to meet Dennis once, he was awesome!
what gig was this?
@@flamefire3831 it was probably some jazz or orchestra gig because those are the main gigs that require you to read … other than that read is a waste of time for any other type of gig… unless you’re playing old dudes (musicians) where they only read .
I think it truly depends on what you're trying to achieve as a musician. If you're trying to play in a professional symphony or a jazz group ensemble, then yes learn to be good at reading sheet music. However if you're the type of guy who wants to jam with his friends in a rock band and can learn well by ear and memory then you don't "need" to. I personally know how to read and read quite a bit in school and with my teacher. I personally feel reading shouldn't be something you rely on. A good musician knows his parts front to back by heart and I can contest to that by being in a Christian worship rock band that plays almost every Sunday along with shows and events. We've been together for 3 years. I use it as a tool to get an "idea" per say of what I'm doing or trying to create inside a song, but I know that my ears have better time, feel, judgement, and most importantly, creativity than a piece of paper.
Each drummer have and special spot. Playing in a real rock band It demands more work in attitude and style, in live performance as well.
Well you don't need shoes to run well either, but it sure helps
Iked Etpison ...depends on the surface. 🤓
@@zislec It doesn't depend on the surface.. having shoes helps in every surface imaginable.. maybe the only one it wont help in is sand or something weird like that. But that's where your analogy fails lol. It will always help knowing how to read music, although it's a necesity to be a great.
I've been playing drums for nearly 20 years, I learn everything I want by ear and studied for my 4 certificates in drum notation for the AMEB (Australian Music Examinations Board) and I can hardly understand music notation, I can't count the bars when I play, I can't pick out a time signature but when I hear most music once or twice I can sit down and play almost exactly what I heard and my teacher thought it was quite amazing. I think if you want to be an in and out session player then yes, it's important, music theory is always important. For me it's all down to feeling and I just can't for the life of me read notation and play at the same time.
I haven’t been playing as long as u m8 but I totally agree with u, when I listen to songs I just go by ear what parts of the drum part I hear I go with it. I had my first lesson with a teacher yesterday and he put a music sheet in front of me, with the symbol for snare etc and I didn’t know what I was looking at and it was a bit embarrassing because it’s simple enough, but because I have never learnt that way
Ever since i was 14, "playing by ear" was the way i went, I have only recently started to familiarize myself with reading sheet music so i can personally, systematically do; a certain fill at a certain part of the music, create more elaborate adlibs, and most importantly create my own groove and music... I can tell you that once you are able to REALLY read sheet music at any pace, it is a damn huge advantage so take it at any opportunity, BTW dont have a degree in music lol everything i did is either self-taught or advice that I've taken to heart by other drummers too
I have the same situation I can read music for other instruments but I never learned for the drum...Now I would really like to. Where/how did you start?
My goal in teaching percussion (as well as continuing to learn and play) is to bridge the analytical side (reading, counting, etc) with feeling, with “losing” oneself in music. Sheet music will help you to understand concepts you might not have thought up through just feeling.
Reading music has allowed me to stay employed playing drums since 09 Its paramount for session drummers. Dennis Chambers is a God.
Such a humble and heartfelt answer. Such a nice guy!
In my opinion it's lot's of drummers that can read and can't read but I think a lot of drummers don't truly understand the note value system which is the foundation of reading music. Learning the note value system helps tremendously in "reading and understanding music". The awesome Chris Coleman sums in all up when he explains the foundation of the rhythm tree of music despite whatever music your playing: Starting with whole note , half note, quarter, eighth, then the triplet and so on. For anybody that has questions on reading music and counting. Go and watch and take notes on his Namm 2011 video and vid from his MI masterclass where his talks about counting and so forth. Secondly before the conversation starts about "reading music", the conversation needs to first be
listening to music before the reading aspect is the listening ratio which is the integral part of the reading and playing. For help on this listen and watch Dave Weckl and Vinnie Coliuta interviews about in their early years of drumming how the "LISTENED" to those classic records which trickled the switch of their playing in their early years until now as they continue to play. Finally music has to come from the interior of the heart and soul, if your playing doesn't come the heart then you can read music all day and the crowd really can't depict what your making the instrument say given the fact of your music reading skills in whatever style your play (Jazz, Rock, Latin, Funk, Hip-Hop). Last but not least you can't even get drummers to even concentrate on their craft to even learn how to read music because everybody swears on Collard Greens and Sweet Tea they know EVERYTHING in which the growing and matriculation of the reading and listening process is important to becoming a great musician go hand and hand. I'm out...Love, Peace, Humbleness...Drum For Life, Listen for Life
When I started back in 79, I just winged it. I did very little homework. Most of what I did was just following, and feeling what the other musicians were doing. Then I started to notice that the most popular bands in my area, were the ones that could play the songs as close to the original as they could get. So I started to teach myself to transcribe. By around the mid 80's I was pretty good at charting songs. I never had to chart everything, I just usually did it on the songs that were brand new, because I feel that the average Joe out there wants to hear there favorite song the way it was recorded. (At least it was that way, 30 years ago, when there was only one studio version, and maybe one live version being played on the radio. It's different today with youtube, and each song has 18 different versions to choose from.) Any way charting stuff for me is much, much faster than having to memorize parts. I can also sit in with someone and just wing it, if I have to. But I'm glad I learned how to do both. As Dennis said, do what is good for you.
The short answer is: yes.
Pretty much. I always recommend to just look at sheet music and sound out just the rhythm to keep your brain ready to think creatively within time or at least internalizing it which makes it easier practice. Dennis Chambers always said he practiced away from the kit (listening to music and not playing it) and I’ve always found that advice stuck with me for 15 years. One of the greatest musicians of our generation
How do I not get confused or frustrated while reading it?
@@roxassora2706 spending time with a good teacher who puts reading at the forefront of playing definitely helps. I can definitely say it took me many, many years with guidance to be comfortable reading, but once it sits comfortable with you, you'll be amazed at how much your understanding of the kit and how much your listening skills get as well (pertaining to music).
Sure it’s nice, but is it a must? “no”. Ringo Starr, Chad Smith, Buddy Rich and John Bonham are a few that never took a drum lesson and most likely never read a musical note in their lives. Basically it’s not a deal breaker in a band. Slash is one of the best if not arguably thee best guitar player in the world can’t read sheet music and relies on his ability to play by ear.
Reading music only adds to your completeness as a drummer. It only benefits you, it doesn't hinder you. Not sure why people think it could ever hinder you. If you don't want to learn because you truly don't need it, awesome, but if you rather make excuses as to why you don't want to learn because it looks hard, well, what other habits are picked up because of that? If you're new and a drummer describes a bad habit they had, listen, and learn whatever lesson took them years to learn themselves. Could be a physical thing or mental thing.
Thanks for making me feel better Dennis!!
Man I just started taking drum lessons and my instructor put a sheet music in front of me. It looked like algebra I've been looking up different you tube videos. I've been feeling discouraged since I feel my instructor was getting frustrated with me. I'm trying to be patient I know it's going to take practice for me to learn. Thank you for this video. ❤
Have any tips for this? Im on the verge of going to my first drum lesson and I'm super nervous about this exactly.
@@gabrielas.m556My first instructor had no patience with me. I moved on and found another one. I had to stop lessons due to finances it was getting a bit expensive. Just enjoy it and have fun with it. I wish you the best!
Play by Heart... Play by Ear... Play by Pulse... Play in Time... Play with Groove... Play with Passion...
I read as per job demands, specially cruise ship drumming, productions shows, yet I use it more of just a road map. I sometimes play as it was written, but I improvise whereas it would sound more human, I get out of the box. Yet it depends if conducted to be played as it should be.
Good thing about drums, or percussion instruments in general, you can be free as long as you fall in common time.
Reading is a skill, more of a self improvement and gives you a broad range to a traditional musical range. You’ll never know when you’ll need it.
Reading is a reference point or a starting point to building foundation.
Reading music might be useful to actualize what you don't understand at first Imho and btw he actually write the sections he said, so he kinda reads, maybe not the "formal" partitures but still has a reference on paper. That should also be the point of sheet music, I guess.
Dennis Chambers. Man this video is GOLD (add graphics of liquid gold)
So I’m here today because I have an aha moment: why am I killing myself trying to backtrack taking years of my life to learn to read drum sheet music when I spent my teenage years killing it learning by ear with just an iPod.
I’m moving my big screen TV downstairs tonight so I can plug in my PC and electric drum kit and learn songs I love with real time feedback with scrolling.
I have the amazing slow downer app as well. There are so many sites that are popping up with new ways to learn drums and my favorite is incorporating video game concepts (of course it has nothing to do with dynamics and technique right now), but it’s a FAST way to learn the muscle memory without cheating yourself.
I’m still going to learn drum sheet music, but I’m not going to let it bury my art if it’s holding me back. Cheers Drumeo, I’m always coming to your sources for education! Stay healthy.
Of course. We all learn to talk, listen, read and write - and we must do the same with music, especially if you live in the XXI century.
When I started to learn how to play drums in the 5th grade…I couldn’t understand why no matter how hard I tried and to others dismay: I could not read music! I thought I was just an idiot or stupid…I’m sure others thought that as I got to High School and marched triples my freshman year and quads Sophomore through Senior year. Other players had to basically spoon feed me my parts. I’m very surprised why I didn’t get cut from the drum lines but I guess they figured I could play the parts after showing me equated to no-harm/no foul. Recently I read that people who can’t read music no matter how hard they try have a certain kind of Dyslexia:
Why do I struggle reading music?
You may have a condition called musical dyslexia (also known as dysmusia) This is a similar condition to dyslexia but involves difficulty with processing music notes rather than words.
So to those who can’t read (Eddie Van Halen) music no worries it’s not you it’s this strange form of musical dyslexia. Hang in there and don’t give up!
Buddy Rich, Holdsworth and Prince didn´t read, but Bach, Mozart and Beethoven DID.
True,its important to Show both sides of the argument.
But I don't think any of those three(composers) ever played or learned drums in the way we do it today.
For me reading music is not only to play certain song, it is a way of mapping and organizing the sounds (no matter which instrument is)
Great answer from a great musician!
This is actually very in-line with a blog post I wrote a while ago about the stuff we learn and practice that we end up not needing on stage.
It got me a lot of flack from the purists who enforce perfect reading no matter what.
The title of the post is "6 Things you are Wasting your Time on if you Want to Be a Working Drummer" and the section about reading goes like this:
"Written musical notation is nothing more than a form of communication.
It has its place and has its value. And that value is the ability to communicate exactly what you should be playing. However, just like with spoken language, writing isn’t the only form of communication. We don’t just go around writing things down and never talk. We use all available forms of communicating we have. Music is no different.
And as for memory, well if you have a story to tell your friends, you don’t forget it if you didn’t write it down, do you? So what I’m trying to say is you don’t need to read music if you are capable of communicating your musical ideas in any other way.
Again, this is another skill I have never possessed or needed. Maybe I have a natural talent or a gifted memory, but I know many musicians who never learned to read music who play and communicate just fine. And again, it’s a skill I have never needed. When it comes to learning songs, I listen, play along and memorize them.
Some players grow to rely on their musical notation. I have worked with musicians who couldn’t play without their dots. Even though they played the same songs night after night, their brain became completely dependent on that magical book.
So having the skill of reading music can be useful, but if we grow dependent on it, then it becomes a detriment."
Can't wait to show this video to a few drummers I know... and tell them about Buddy Rich!! haha!
*ya know intensifies*
I counted 33 "ya know" 's
That's important for any drummer. Learn the sheet music ever !!
Dennis is such a beautiful to listen to monster!! I now realize part of why I can't play like Dennis, I can read ;-) Actually sounds like Dennis can read a bit, and he can certainly play anything any chart needs him to. None better! Salute!
What he REALLY wanted to say: “Hell nah, fuck that shit!!!! Play how you feel and thru the music”!!!!
It's a fundamental skill that doesn't take an arm and a leg, and you won't believe the outcome in the long run.
exactly, How much broader your range as you learn to read more and more.. Knowledge is always power!!
Dennis ... I have played drums off and on since i was a teen. now I'm 70 and got a new kit 6 years ago and decided to take some advanced lessons. and also read music for drums . Before in younger days I would listen to records and figure out the beats and fills. after watching this made me curious if maybe i'm wasting time and money. anything you can suggest for me? hard for me to learn more now i guess.
2 hours ago i just want to comment on drumeo ig to make a video about how to read a paper music (drum note) plz make this lessons drumeo..
monica mulya there is an article on freedrumslessons by Drumeo about reading drums sheets
I read all the lessons and watched the videos and it s really easy to learn, just go step by step
It s here : www.freedrumlessons.com/drum-lessons/quarter-notes.php
there's so many great musicians ( mostly drummers ) who can't read music. and while they kick ass, I could never make an argument for why someone should NEVER learn to read music. It will only help you. You can certainly get by and above and beyond like mr. chambers here; but I've just heard too many of my drummer peers say to each other " you're wasting your time trying to learn that " and I can't hear it at all. Learn to read
If you were a studio musician perhaps or still in the big band era reading music would be essential . To have a good ear is everything .
Glen Campbell sat in there with the Wrecking Crew which were all Studio musicians that could read music . He was the only one that didn't , so as long as you have a good ear I think you'll be ok .
I have been playing drums for a long time by ear I can read music for other instruments but, I never learned for the drum... I would really like to learn. Where/how should I start?
I dont read music and it has been a real handicap for me in trying to learn and memorize songs quickly oppose to my drum friends that do.
Wow. Very awesome.
Dennis Chambers is The Goat.
Every time I want to learn a song, I get the drum charts.. and read what's going on..I have a terrible time trying to figure out what their doing by ear..
I've been playing about 22 years give or take and can't read. I've tried but find it way too confusing. Always learned by ear. I've seen guys talk about 16th notes, 32 notes etc ...I'll have no idea of what they're talking about until I hear what it sounds like .And even then I think - I've been playing those for years. Just really depends on how you learn .
That’s retarded
Master master big master!!
As time progresses it becomes an indispensable
I can't read but it hasn't hurt me, but I'd never tell anyone not to read. But reading doesn't make you a great player but it doesn't hurt you either.
As a Gospel musician who's played most of my career in predominately "black" churches, it was never very encouraged or seemingly necessary to learn to read drum sheets. That being said, I regret not knowing and dread learning at 31. I've come to a point where I want to be as well rounded as possible as a musician and would hate being turned down for a gig or a "different" type of worship service for lack of reading abilities. Side note: I'm a huge prince and phil fan but always assumed they read lol
Who gives a dislike to Dennis Chambers??!!
YouDrummer Dave Weckl.
only if dave is trolljng.
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD HHAAHAHAAH.
I prefer mr chambers but.... is a very very high shot.
Please can drumeo teach how to read sheet music and theory?
I play drums for almost 3years as of now "ya know" .. but I still don't know how to read sheet "ya know" .. I just play by the feeling "ya know" .. as long as the music is good and work on it to make it better "ya know" ..
Yes, EVERY drummer should know how to read music. Every drummer think their the shit, goat, or the best but can’t fucking read music. It doesn’t matter where you go or what style of music you play whether their gigs or not, you still need to be able to read music and thats the problem with drummers today.💯💯
I don’t read music I just go by ear when it comes to playing along to songs
Personally, I can’t understand how you can learn without reading. You’re relying on remembering everything. What happens when you’re desperately trying to recall what your teacher just showed you when you get home after a lesson? If you can read, you don’t have to remember. I’m not saying it’s ‘wrong’ not to read. Just that I don’t understand it. I guess it’s because I was taught to read from lesson 1 so I don’t know any other way.
A wise answer.
Perfect . 👌👌👌
I attended one of his clinics back in 2006, think. I wish I hadn’t. He clearly did not want to be there. Never meet your hero’s.
We can't all be Buddy Rich, Allan Holdsworth or Prince.
why want to do something really well if you're going to limit your abilities within that thing?
Yes.
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if you can't read music then give me your drums because you don't need them.
Coolio
Its called angry cocaine rock, learn the basics, then rock out.
No.
What........................shit music? :P