Punic Sicilian Wars - The Battle of Himera (480 BC) DOCUMENTARY

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  • A history documentary on the Battle of Himera in the First Punic Sicilian War. Claim your SPECIAL OFFER for MagellanTV here: try.magellantv.com/invicta. Start your free trial TODAY so you can watch "World's Greatest Ships" about iconic naval vessels and the rest of MagellanTV’s documentary collection: www.magellantv.com/series/wor...
    Long before Carthage and Rome faced off in the climactic Punic Wars for control of the Mediterranean, the island of Sicily played host to a series of 7 great wars between the Carthaginians and the Greeks. But to understand these Punic Sicilian Wars we must first understand the nature of the region. The documentary begins with an exploration of the geography and history of Sicily before tracing the stages which progressively drew Carthage into this theater of operations.
    The First Punic Sicilian War would eventually break out when the Dorian Greek tyrants, Theron and Gelon, threatened to lay claim to the island of Sicily. In response, Ionian Greeks called upon Carthage for help. The Punic Senate was all to happy to oblige and now sent a massive invasion force under the command of Hamilcar the First. This assault from the west would coincide with the Persian Invasion on the Greek homeland in the east under King Xerxes.
    We then follow the campaign in Sicily which culminates in the climactic battle of Himera in 409 BC! You can learn more about the armies of Carthage through our Units of History episodes:
    The Sacred Band of Carthage : • Units of History - The...
    Carthaginian War Elephants : • Units of History - Car...
    Numidian Cavalry : • Units of History - The...
    Balearic Slingers : • Units of History - The...
    Sources and Suggested Reading:
    "The Carthaginians" by Dexter Hoyos
    "Carthage's Other Wars" by Dexter Hoyos
    "Carthage Must Be Destroyed" by Richard Miles
    Credit:
    Research = Vaughan Fenton
    Script = Vaughn Fenton
    Narration = Invicta
    Art = Penta Limited
    #history
    #documentary
    #military

ความคิดเห็น • 267

  • @InvictaHistory
    @InvictaHistory  ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Part 2: th-cam.com/video/A7q8BVfFurM/w-d-xo.html

  • @GothPaoki
    @GothPaoki 2 ปีที่แล้ว +299

    The greek colonization of Sicily and their interactions with the local population is a very interesting topic ( that's basically hundreds of years of coexistence between them) one that deserves a video on it's own.

    • @svendb7
      @svendb7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I wonder what all the ancient people groups were like

    • @zamzamazawarma928
      @zamzamazawarma928 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Good thing you didn't put "peaceful" before "coexistence". I mean, the locals, yeah, they got along quite nice, like always. The leaders? Those who held the blades? Those who held the land? Those who talked to the gods? Those who sent ships sailing from one end of the sea to the other? Those are the ones who sent their boys maul each other at Himera (and so many other places).

    • @GothPaoki
      @GothPaoki 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@zamzamazawarma928 i mean coexistence doesn't have to be peaceful.

    • @girthbrooks39
      @girthbrooks39 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GothPaoki true as that may be, can you think of a more appropriate, less petty squabble that could have been used as the open door to release unto the world that passionate dramatic retort he had burning inside of his heart, begging to be let out? Nothing like a hypothetical disagreement in the yt comment section to showcase his magnum opus. When opportunities are scare, create your own and choose the brightest stage.

    • @thalmoragent9344
      @thalmoragent9344 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GothPaoki
      True, although depending on the kind of "coexistence", it can be hard if not peaceful.

  • @FortunateXpat
    @FortunateXpat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I have a small apartment in Sicily, about a 10 minute drive from Ancient Solunto. The existing ruins, up on top of a hill are amazing to visit. One can still see the influence of all the previous civilizations. Phoenician, Greek and Roman. The city layout is primarily Greek, but one can see the Roman influences in the surviving mosaic floors and traces on Roman red paint on some of the walls.

  • @readable95
    @readable95 2 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    A cool book set in the Sicilian-Punic wars is Tyrant, by Manfredi (can’t remember his first name)
    Does a good job of making the history engaging by following the tyrant of Syracuse, his rise to power and wars with Carthage

    • @markos2529
      @markos2529 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Valerio Massimo Manfredi

    • @CitrisJones
      @CitrisJones 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the recommendation. I just ordered a copy

  • @jvl4832
    @jvl4832 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    A very concise overview of a complex political situation. I just visited Sicily and its many archeological sites including the small island of Mozia, where the Phonicians settled and traded and were for the time very sophisticated. And, naturally, the abundance of Greek temples and Roman architecture….well worth visiting for any history buff!

    • @theawesomeman9821
      @theawesomeman9821 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      A friend of mine will be visiting Italy soon, I'll inform him of your view on Sicily, thanks.

    • @lanpartyanimal5215
      @lanpartyanimal5215 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      My Grandfather came from Agrigento and my wife and I are planning an extensive trip there within the next year. Might have gone earlier except for all the C-virus disruption.

  • @freeloader510
    @freeloader510 2 ปีที่แล้ว +135

    I never thought I could view this part of Carthaginian history on youtube, thanks for covering the period! But I think the simultaneous attack on greeks by Persians and Carthaginians is nothing more than greek speculation imo. But the first battle of Himera should be dated to c.480 B.C video date is the second Carthage-Sicilian war which was commanded by the grandchildren of the Hamilcar "Hannibal and Himilco respectivelyibly.

    • @InvictaHistory
      @InvictaHistory  2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Updated the date, thanks for the catch

    • @curiodyssey3867
      @curiodyssey3867 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      That last word in ur paragraph pfffft lmao

    • @liamsloan5410
      @liamsloan5410 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@curiodyssey3867 responsitrilitrance...

  • @Montechristoss
    @Montechristoss 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Great video about a topic that's often overlooked by the punic wars ( Greeks and Carthaginians were fought for 3-4 centuries before the Romans started to became to major player ) looking forward for Dionysus timoleon and agathocles

  • @InvictaHistory
    @InvictaHistory  2 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    Thanks to all who voted for this next wave of Carthaginian content! You can catch script previews and get art downloads for all episodes on our Patreon: www.patreon.com/InvictaHistory

    • @delamarianmihai5938
      @delamarianmihai5938 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Magelantv has romanian subtitles?

    • @InvictaHistory
      @InvictaHistory  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Hello-ig1px it was a pleasure to dive into that history as I was myself completely unfamiliar with Rome’s campaigns of vengeance.

    • @brokenbridge6316
      @brokenbridge6316 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's always nice to hear about little known historical times. Can't wait for you next video on this interesting time period.

    • @HornyIndianMan
      @HornyIndianMan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      💕I love your voice so much that when I imagine my perfect submissive twink bottom boyfriend he sounds just like you 💋💖💕

    • @tedcrilly46
      @tedcrilly46 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I guess some of this is what the old guy in True Romance was talking about to the mafia capo.

  • @ancientsitesgirl
    @ancientsitesgirl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    A fascinating topic! Especially before the planned trip to Tunisia 🎥(I will also visit Sicily one day) ;) Strength and Honor!🗡

    • @starcapture3040
      @starcapture3040 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Wasn't Iraq your next Trip to film?

    • @ancientsitesgirl
      @ancientsitesgirl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@starcapture3040 My list is long, I will visit Iraq for sure!

    • @starcapture3040
      @starcapture3040 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@ancientsitesgirl keep it going!

    • @gh4738
      @gh4738 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Welcome to Tunisia 🇹🇳

  • @pablodesilvestro831
    @pablodesilvestro831 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Awesome history lesson as always guys! Happy to see this was voted in as it is an offer overlooked conflict in the broader Punic wars context, being Sicily the key to control Mediterranean trade

  • @1992zorro
    @1992zorro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    one word ! AMAZING.
    This is such an amazing period which is most of the time, left behind until the punic wars between Rome vs Carthage.

  • @magellantv
    @magellantv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yet another brilliantly informative video 👏

    • @haraldsigurdsson1232
      @haraldsigurdsson1232 ปีที่แล้ว

      More documentaries about the mongols and vikings please:)

  • @bonbondurjdr6553
    @bonbondurjdr6553 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's pretty cool how intense the war is for a small island! I can't wait for more!

  • @mlynareknicolle2
    @mlynareknicolle2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    As a descendant of Sicily I appreciate all the information on the island I can get 🙏🏻

  • @TopNotch770
    @TopNotch770 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Outstanding production quality!

  • @Khaos768
    @Khaos768 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    10:26 That was an ingenious and bold move by Gelon! His men probably loled all the way to the Carthigenean camp!

  • @robbabcock_
    @robbabcock_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic video, what a fascinating period of history!⚔

  • @mahman1565
    @mahman1565 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Historical recaps are back! 🙏 This is what Invicta really excels at.

  • @chibble3591
    @chibble3591 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Looking forward to this I love these these largely uncovered conflicts

  • @-RONNIE
    @-RONNIE 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good video ⚔️

  • @Ennea9
    @Ennea9 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In 480 bc the whole known world from Spain to Pakistan. Warriors from Europe, Africa and Asia attacked Greece at the same time. The few stood against the many. This must have been the most heroic page in human history.

  • @gibraltarsphilosophy7984
    @gibraltarsphilosophy7984 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please continue the others , this just perfect 😭

  • @13thravenpurple94
    @13thravenpurple94 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great work 🫰🏻🫰🏻🫰🏻 Thank you 💜💜💜

  • @joshuab2437
    @joshuab2437 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really fascinating information. Thanks for sharing and God bless you!

  • @HellenicWolf
    @HellenicWolf ปีที่แล้ว

    Great work guys!

  • @eismann82
    @eismann82 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video, thank you

  • @wilsontheconqueror8101
    @wilsontheconqueror8101 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the numbers given in the ancient sources!

  • @albertofazio9448
    @albertofazio9448 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    To commemorate the victory at the battle of Himera the tyrant of Akragas constructed lots of temples in Akragas on a low hill with a valley below. Those temples are still in good shape to this day and we call that valley the temple valley here in Agrigento, or Akragas 🤣

  • @mohamedelmi9105
    @mohamedelmi9105 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for blessing me with this during my nightshift ✌

  • @Uzair_Of_Babylon465
    @Uzair_Of_Babylon465 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic video keep it up your doing amazing job

  • @kongcrew822
    @kongcrew822 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love your documentary s

  • @earltaylor1893
    @earltaylor1893 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can’t wait for the next one!

  • @djuraish
    @djuraish 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video!

  • @joysarker9518
    @joysarker9518 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you soo much for making videos about PUNIC wars. Please make video about 2nd punic wars after cannae

  • @50shekels
    @50shekels 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That is one sexy topic

  • @anon2034
    @anon2034 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great video! I was just researching the tyrants of Syracuse. I would love to see more videos on their lives!

  • @Leafgreen1976
    @Leafgreen1976 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I haven't even watched yet but already liked because I know it's awesome! Thanks for all you do.

  • @stefaniabosco2182
    @stefaniabosco2182 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good job

  • @vincentvassallo5727
    @vincentvassallo5727 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely gorgeous visuals. I would also be really interested in something like a literary beak down of some of the primary or secondary sources used for this topic’s research.

  • @naturalbornpatriot6369
    @naturalbornpatriot6369 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Damn y’all, over a million subs. Congratulations

  • @johnemery6944
    @johnemery6944 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really enjoyed this and hope it is the start of some Carthaginian history and campaign's.

  • @nickcitron2369
    @nickcitron2369 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great work on all ur vids!!!. Thank you, sir!!! Maybe a Mithridates VI of Pontus, The Poison King?!?!?!

  • @tomwhite7983
    @tomwhite7983 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I question the sources used for the numbers in this battle. 150,000 killed in the retreat? And just under half escaped? Implying around 300,000 Carthaginians? What? Whilst it's an interesting tale in terms of the political consequences of the war, the numbers involved seem wildly upscaled.

    • @jimmyandersson9938
      @jimmyandersson9938 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Ye, I was suprised the narrator didnt put the number in question, very casually claims Carthage at 480 BC could muster one of the biggest army ever in the history of antiquity :)

    • @rorschach1985ify
      @rorschach1985ify ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I agree. Kings and Generals did a much better job in comparison by down scaling the numbers and stating that the Carthaginians most likely had only a bit more men than the Greeks.

  • @istoppedcaring6209
    @istoppedcaring6209 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    history really is a treasure throve, you can't really market the sicilian wars directly for a movie or series
    but if you take this and incorporate the events into a fictional story you get something that has the detail of history and the apeal of fantasy

  • @r.l.3325
    @r.l.3325 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Those Pictures are simply gorgeous

  • @amfa42
    @amfa42 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Finally!

  • @RemusKingOfRome
    @RemusKingOfRome 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    EXCELLENT ! YES ! Early Carthaginian history.

  • @lupo1thewolf
    @lupo1thewolf 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The intro just made me want to go to sicily for the summer lol

  • @coloneloctavian737
    @coloneloctavian737 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sweet a new vid

  • @CraicDealer
    @CraicDealer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Would love to see a video on ancient Irish/ Gael culture. We do have monuments older than the great pyramids of Egypt, after all...

  • @mk9650
    @mk9650 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Do one on Agathocles and his campaign that reached as far as the walls of Carthage.

  • @parttimegodxx
    @parttimegodxx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice

  • @hoponpop3330
    @hoponpop3330 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There is an in depth history of Rome on TH-cam that I first heard of this somewhat forgotten but important conflict.
    After their Long struggle with the Samnites .Rome extended their control southward and came in contact with the struggle going on in Sicily .
    The result is History.
    Although Spain was another issue.

  • @GarfieldRex
    @GarfieldRex 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    10:28 ah the story of the Sicilian Horse, more realistic than the Troyan

  • @SFE3610
    @SFE3610 ปีที่แล้ว

    @invicta you should do a series of videos on the celts (Irish, Scottish and vikings) from the roman antiqueties era. I know the celts were a large influence on the creation on Hadrian's wall

  • @ribar4040
    @ribar4040 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    More hellenic content, let's go!!

  • @Strategikos
    @Strategikos 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video! This topic is really overlooked, especially the fact that it happens at the same time of Xerxes' invasion of Greece. This is also why Greek city-states in Sicily could not send many ships to participate in the battle of Salamis.
    Just one note, the term "Hellenistic" is conventionally used for the period after Alexander the Great, here it would be more appropriate to say "Hellenic" instead.

  • @MBP1918
    @MBP1918 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting

  • @akragas4394
    @akragas4394 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    without the victory of Himera you wouldn't be able to see the Valley of the Temples in Akragas (Agrigento) which were built by Punic captives.

  • @Constantine_Bush
    @Constantine_Bush 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Greetings to our Sicilian brothers!

  • @ziomudru
    @ziomudru 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome work! Is Polibius your main source? Anyone else?

  • @hannibalbarca6308
    @hannibalbarca6308 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the recognition bro

  • @nedak4363
    @nedak4363 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could you cover the Welsh teulu warriors for your next units of history video?

  • @randomguy6152
    @randomguy6152 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    can we see some sub saharan empire conquest vids by any chance?

  • @geordiejones5618
    @geordiejones5618 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is there a single area that's been more contested than Sicily? Maybe Egypt and/or Israel but 2500 years separate this conflict from WWII. So many wars and different cultures have fought over this island in between.

  • @EaNasir1700bc
    @EaNasir1700bc 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I didn't know both invasions happened at the same time. I wonder how the relations between Carthage and the Persians was.

  • @hannibalbarca6308
    @hannibalbarca6308 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bro...we had sooo much bad luck in sicily

  • @joshuab2437
    @joshuab2437 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like that Invicta uses BC instead of BCE for dates.

  • @zetoboogaloo8802
    @zetoboogaloo8802 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anything from the Conan books or movies would be really cool honestly.

  • @juansanchez5001
    @juansanchez5001 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really appreciate your videos thank you

  • @johnypsilantis2442
    @johnypsilantis2442 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It is truly incredible that the Greeks were able to defeat the simultaneous invasion of the two most powerful States in the world at the time...Also the way Gelon took out the Carthiginian command is something that sounds so modern...like a Delta team taking down ISIS leadership

    • @MohamedRamadan-qi4hl
      @MohamedRamadan-qi4hl 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Carthage at that time weren't very powerful

    • @nisarbo3781
      @nisarbo3781 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl they were pretty powerful actually.

    • @MohamedRamadan-qi4hl
      @MohamedRamadan-qi4hl 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nisarbo3781 not empire status

    • @nisarbo3781
      @nisarbo3781 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl what do you mean? in 480 bc they had already established an empire. Between 550 bc to 500 bc under the reign of Mago I. The founder of the powerful & long-lasting magonid dynasty they've expanded towards the entire Maghreb from Morocco to Libya, into Corsica, Sardinia, western sicily & spain by conquering locals as well as taking older phoenician cities there such as gadir. They've had a fleet of 200 triremes available for the invasion of himera in 480 bc & during the 5th century bc they've well explored west africa up to Gabon and traded as far as britain & ireland. They exerted such an authority that they closed the straits of gibraltar after the battle of alalia in 535 bc for all foreigners & thus solely controlled the access to the Atlantic and had the monopoly & all the trade routes there especially tin trade.

  • @losdocereyes4442
    @losdocereyes4442 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    yeeeeessss!!!

  • @vangelisskia214
    @vangelisskia214 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    "GREEK SIGNATURE DNA influence can be seen in Southern Italy and Sicily, where the genetic contribution of Greek chromosomes to the Sicilian gene pool is estimated to be about 37%, and the southern Balkans"
    Di Gaetano, Cornelia; et al. (2009). European Journal of Human Genetics. 17 (1): 91-99.

    • @GothPaoki
      @GothPaoki 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's the case with all of southern Italy really at least untill second ww in which musollini tried to get rid of all greek influence in the area as part of his nationalist agenda and a lot of Italians with greek roots had to flee the country.

    • @esti-od1mz
      @esti-od1mz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The greek genetic input in Southern Italy, although important, is still debated, because ancient southern italians and ancient greeks were already genetically similar.

    • @rimacalid6557
      @rimacalid6557 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's a lot of rape, buy I imagine the Roman rape is even worse

    • @GothPaoki
      @GothPaoki 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@esti-od1mz ancient southern Italians weren't similar to ancient Greeks. They were greeks. Almost all of southern Italy was colonized hundreds of years before the romans by greek colonists.
      This is exactly why that greek influence both in genetics and it terms of culture persisted in southern Italy for so long.

    • @esti-od1mz
      @esti-od1mz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@GothPaoki so, let me say that I know that there is a genetic input from Greece: but it is still debated. The sikanians from Sicily and the minoans from Crete were genetically closer, despite being many kilometers distant from each other. There is a genetic overflow, from Cyprus to Southern Italy, due to the ancient european farmers, and that's why ancient italics and ancient greeks were already genetically similar. To be fair, southern italians are pretty much close to the southern greeks, since in the north of Greece there is more balkan admixture. Italy and Greece shared History: a lot of greeks may have italic genes.

  • @r.ssumedh7626
    @r.ssumedh7626 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please cover Indian Elephant archers in the "units in history" category.

  • @YusefYandron
    @YusefYandron 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    wow

  • @joeywheelerii9136
    @joeywheelerii9136 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hope you cover some of the famous Greek tyrants

  • @kalemerabasileia10
    @kalemerabasileia10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

  • @shaolindreams
    @shaolindreams ปีที่แล้ว

    Poseidon coming in clutch many times

  • @esti-od1mz
    @esti-od1mz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    The carthaginian dominance in Sicily was much different from the greek colonization. The carthaginians never established colonies in Sicily by force, but they let the locals keep their settlements in exchange of special commercial agreements and participartion in internal affairs: that's why the elymians built so many cities in western Sicily (elymians were pretty powerful: a war against them would have been an error for the Carthaginians). While the ancient greeks came to Sicily with the clear intention of establishing their settlements, hardly letting the indigenous live alongisde them. That why in the IV century the italics tribes of Sicily and Italy started rooting against the greeks, causing the greeks to loose territories or even Cities ( Catania was captured by the Mamertini, Cuma by the campanians, Posidonia by the lucani, the sicels founded Cities in greek territories and so on). To these days, the southern italian regions keep the names of the italic tribes who founded them. In most cases, Carthage endorced these rebellions against the greeks.
    EDIT: I wasn' trying to say that the Carthaginians were saints. They weren't. A lot of factors made them decide that direct control wasn't worth it. Such as the power of the elymians, and the presence of the greek cities. In Sardinia and Spain they held a more direct control.

    • @nebuchadnezzarii5691
      @nebuchadnezzarii5691 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The carthaginians slaughtered countless Sicilians. The Greeks settled colonies and made peace and mixed with the natives peacefully. Instead of lying get the facts.

    • @esti-od1mz
      @esti-od1mz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@nebuchadnezzarii5691 to be fair, both sides killed. And the sicilians also killed the carthaginians or the Greeks. Also, both sides were carried by sicilian military men, that is confirmed by Professor Villari. The greeks mixed with the natives only after the natives got REALLY belligerant. Siracusa was being conquered by Ducaetius. They understood that they couldn't treat them as second class citizens. Also, the carthaginian empire guaranteed the liberty of many Greek cities, such as Messina and Lentini. That doesn't mean that Carthage was good. They did this in their interest. In Sardinia and Spain they were more brutal. Get your facts.

    • @nebuchadnezzarii5691
      @nebuchadnezzarii5691 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@esti-od1mz true. I’m sorry for my bias.

    • @esti-od1mz
      @esti-od1mz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@nebuchadnezzarii5691 no problem. I wasn't trying to tell that the Carthaginians were saints. They simply decided that Money were more important than direct control. Have a nice day

    • @nebuchadnezzarii5691
      @nebuchadnezzarii5691 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@esti-od1mz yeah it’s that all peoples committed atrocities no matter who it was at times. Have a nice day as well.

  • @colmritter5353
    @colmritter5353 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    When is the Carthaginian Navy video coming out?

    • @InvictaHistory
      @InvictaHistory  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Taking a bit longer than expected but should be this upcoming week

    • @colmritter5353
      @colmritter5353 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! Been looking forward to it!

  • @alejandrosakai1744
    @alejandrosakai1744 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you do a video about Alexander the Great in Judaism, please? This is a very interesting topic!

  • @ecurewitz
    @ecurewitz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Carthaginians and Greeks fight over Sicily for decades.
    Then Rome enters the chat

  • @napoleonibonaparte7198
    @napoleonibonaparte7198 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Rome: Why aren’t your roads leading to Rome?

  • @beachboy0505
    @beachboy0505 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful story
    'These Greeks have come to help us'
    How do you know?
    'I don't, its all GREEK to me
    Wait for next episode

  • @gabrielnguyen5580
    @gabrielnguyen5580 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    now im stoke for more - dba campaign here i come

  • @josephphoenix1376
    @josephphoenix1376 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I see Sicily and think of a contingent of the Sea Peoples hundreds of years before...The Sicels(?)

  • @earlshaner4441
    @earlshaner4441 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Patton had it right when he wanted to cut off the krauts retreat into Italy

    • @Lassisvulgaris
      @Lassisvulgaris 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      With the help of the Mafia.....

  • @cruzaider5339
    @cruzaider5339 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You've to choose in which has better drip
    Roman officer - Greek officer
    Roman cavalry - Greek citizen cavalry

  • @GeorgeEstregan828
    @GeorgeEstregan828 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Now I'm suspicious as to why Carthage did not send reinforcements to Tyre when Alexander besiege them.

    • @hannibalbarca8411
      @hannibalbarca8411 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Because carthage was an independent state

    • @GeorgeEstregan828
      @GeorgeEstregan828 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hannibalbarca8411 i mean Tyre was the dominant big boy alpha of the Punic world and Carthage was just 2nd or 3rd place. When Tyre fell to Alexander, Carthage become the number 1.

    • @hannibalbarca8411
      @hannibalbarca8411 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GeorgeEstregan828
      Tyre was phoenician
      Carthage was punic
      There's a difference
      Tyre was only inhabited by phoenicians
      But carthage was a mix by phoenicians ,local north Africans, Europeans,south saharans ...

    • @scarymonster5541
      @scarymonster5541 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hannibalbarca8411 the word punic is a latin word for phoenician

    • @scarymonster5541
      @scarymonster5541 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hannibalbarca8411 oh wait i think phoenician in latin is Phœnicia

  • @monadsingleton9324
    @monadsingleton9324 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    *Two hundred years, seven wars (eight, if you count Pyrrhus' invasion), and neither the Greeks nor the Carthaginians ever gained decisive control of Sicily. The Romans conquered the entire island in just fifty years, and held it without contest for seven hundred years.*

    • @ivandicivan4189
      @ivandicivan4189 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes, two powers are battleing each other while third jumps in afterwards, nothing unseen in history.
      Carthage controlled most of Sicily after the Phyric war thought, except southeastern part around Syracuse:upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/First_Punic_War_264_BC_v3.png/1024px-First_Punic_War_264_BC_v3.png

    • @nisarbo3781
      @nisarbo3781 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      carthage won in the end due to them controlling most of the island

    • @monadsingleton9324
      @monadsingleton9324 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nisarbo3781 Most is not all.

    • @wankawanka3053
      @wankawanka3053 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pyrrhus did but yeah rome was a thing then

    • @wankawanka3053
      @wankawanka3053 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nisarbo3781 well not really pyrrhus defeated them and took almost all of the island he only left because of rome not because of carthage plus Syracuse outlived carthage

  • @caesarjulius6058
    @caesarjulius6058 ปีที่แล้ว

    How did the Greek forces "infiltrate" the Carthaginian forces so successfully? Wouldn't the Carthaginians have noticed pretty quickly that they spoke a different language etc?

    • @teamnoob52
      @teamnoob52 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not really, since they had specifically called on *Ionian Greek* allies for cavalry reinforcements. By the time they were close enough to tell the difference, it would've been too late.

  • @jeremybennett2168
    @jeremybennett2168 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    more

  • @matthewliu6987
    @matthewliu6987 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    8:38

  • @patstocker3658
    @patstocker3658 ปีที่แล้ว

    ….further….oops the pace has slowed. It needed to

  • @mehmetarasorhan1557
    @mehmetarasorhan1557 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The troop numbers mentioned here sound too high. Greeks having 50K infantry and 5K cavalry on Sicily?? Carthage having more troops than these figures?? Romans armies 200-300 years later with superior logistics had less troops most of the time.

  • @MrLoobu
    @MrLoobu 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello

  • @svendb7
    @svendb7 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does the name of the Tyrrhenian Sea have anything to do with the city of Tyre?

    • @esti-od1mz
      @esti-od1mz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No, it is a coincidence. The Tyrrhenian sea derives its name from the etruscans, who dominated in the Area. They called themselves initially Tarasenna>Trasenna>Rasenna>Rasna later

    • @svendb7
      @svendb7 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@esti-od1mz thanks S T

    • @esti-od1mz
      @esti-od1mz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@svendb7 you're welcome!

  • @petersclafani4370
    @petersclafani4370 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Being sicilian myself and proud of my romsn ancestry

    • @akragas4394
      @akragas4394 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Greeks not Romans.

    • @Lassisvulgaris
      @Lassisvulgaris 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@akragas4394 How do you know? The Romans were there, as well.....

    • @akragas4394
      @akragas4394 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Lassisvulgaris because the Hellenes are in Sicily since the Bronze Age until the Byzantine times. The Romans used Sicily only as a colony for exploitation and to dump their mercenaries and criminals.

    • @Lassisvulgaris
      @Lassisvulgaris 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@akragas4394 So @Peter Sclafani can not be of Roman descendance, as he claims...?

    • @petersclafani4370
      @petersclafani4370 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Lassisvulgaris why don't you read about the panic wars. If I'm not mistaken it was romans against the greeks and then the carthagians
      Yes the romans conquered sicily. The war lasted about 20 years.
      They also took over Sardinia, corsica. From the 1st panic war.

  • @NodDisciple1
    @NodDisciple1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    11:35 Treacherous Greek gonna treacherous Greek.

  • @divifilius2357
    @divifilius2357 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    For the algorithm