The decline of edtech has not been subtle. Most programs have been getting worse for years, with additional data harvesting, advertising, surveillance, and over commercialization. Quizlet is a perfect example of this. The website first had no ads, then non-intrusive sidebar ads, then ads during activities, then video ads and ad breaks between studying and paywalled content. They have become more rabid in advertising Quizlet Plus while the service as a while has been completely destroyed. The paywalled or got rid of the features that made the service worthwhile, like tests and Gravity.
I finished highschool a little less than a decade before EduTech took off, but got some early experience with it in teaching for a brief period of time using things like Scratch later on. It always felt neat but probably not effective for every kind of student, which I think is a bigger problem than just EduTech by itself (catering to a generic majority and leaving any kids that won't adapt behind). By the time the pandemic started I was long gone working elsewhere but it is shocking how many accounts they need now, more and more data gathering all around.
Never knew EdTechwas was this relevant in first world countries. At least in schools. We're still relying in old reliable paper for the most part. Only in Uni it gets more relevant ( if not totally necessary).
One of the things I hate is stuff like linewize that blocks useful websites thinking it’s “offensive” to help “protect” is from harmful things, which is ok… but some can be bad
I finished highschool (secondary/elementary school) when I was 19 on 2021 but i'm gonna explain my experience on quarantine when I was at the 4th year of secondary: 1- The Blended platform: At first this platform I had a lot of issues on 2020-2021 (bugs, bad update changes) and the worst part: Some of my teachers couldn't understand everything. 2- Zoom Platform: In this one I was totally alright with those online classrooms and I used to teach my teachers how to use the software. And yes, you may remember when joking and trolling on zoom was relevant and my classmates managed to cancel another exposition of Psychology but my group exposed first because my classmates were ready to do the exam. 3- I used to have a lot of homework made with Word, Excel or Powerpoint, however I didn't enjoy making videos on there. 4- Google Meet: In 2021 until september of that year, we were still on quarantine and sometimes I had to use this platform for 1 subject, the thing is that It was nice to have online classes without noises of my classmates screaming out but unfortunately, I went back to school and I got more stressed than before. So the Quarantine was better.
@@thotslayer9914 after some quick searching, the two examples that I found are the original Xbox menu UI, and a DeviantArt post by Jsnfwlr (I'm pretty sure I spelled that right) called Litestep Turtle Soup II. Similar examples can be seen in the Wipeout racing games and in the graphics section of the Y2K entry on the aesthetics wiki. Sorry I can't provide links to any of these.
Your videos are very very well organized and the motivation here to make genuine informative content is admirable. Keep going! You deserve all the success coming your way!
In the CIS (Belarus, Russia, etc.) with Edtech the situation is quite interesting. Teachers are just starting to like educational software, while many schools do not allow it. The EdTech audience is also interesting - the main users of educational courses are not schoolchildren, they are people aged 18-25. I'm sure the EdTech era is just beginning in eastern Europe, it's just that our old-fashioned managers don't want to accept it (calculators in mathematics are banned in our country to this day, xd). (The Finest channel about technologies of the past, lmao)
Plus most schools are too poor to have actual Edtech programs on a computers, the only one that works in mine school is just that testing site thing idk
I think it does depend on the country. As a Romanian I can confirm this whole EdTech trend has been going on here for roughly 6-5 years now. And it’s still used by teachers, especially in the cities where most schools are funded enough to have all the resources. But to be fair Romania is richer than Belarus or Russia so that might have something to do with it…
The funny thing is where I live we never really utilized edtech (aside from Quizlet, a computer lab login, typing games, and a game that I think was called "mathletics" or something) until highschool, I don't even think I had a school Gmail until then (atleast one I knew existed) which I find funny since COVID didn't happen since I was in grade 11 and it continued until I graduated and mask mandates didn't stop until my second semester of the first year of uni. Also speaking of defunct EdTech that would be an interesting video I'm excited now 👀 Edit: Omg I've been noticed
Good points in this video. I don’t think it will go away because those applications will likely become even more invasive by recording keystrokes and measuring the velocity of mouse movements etc so that they can judge whether or not a student is cheating. Also a lot of those applications could require that a webcam be on while they type out their answers etc. So even if a student tried to do a ctrl + C and ctrl + V from chatGPT that could be logged. I don’t disagree that AI will have a big impact on education apps like that in general though I don’t think they will go away. Government and tech companies are addicted to recording all data from people in general so I doubt that’s going to stop when it comes to schools and education software. Possibly handwritten work could be scanned into those apps and the app would convert it to typed text?
It seems like kids don’t really care about their privacy, they just sign up for services and don’t ever know that they are using their data I still think kids should still get a choice for their privacy and should get proper education about it
I think that some day in future computers will become much better at teaching than actual human teachers. Just imagine how AI would be able to analyze a person and generate perfect book/tutorial that will explain stuff perfectly.
Darn, now that you mention it I'm kind of surprised EdTech isn't talked about more amongst those who are concerned about digital privacy. Or maybe it's already talked about a lot and I just haven't been paying attention. I have to say though, it would be kind of interesting to see mass protest from parents who care deeply about their own privacy and use Linux/VM for everything only to see their own children getting sold out to Google/Apple/Microsoft. Maybe we're not seeing too much of that because of an insignificant overlap between today's parents and digital privacy neat-freaks?
I know for me writing notes and reading physical paper really works better for me lots of times and i always hated when my teacher would photocopy a page to google classroom
I just found your channel and I just have to say bravo. Not only is your voice absolutely charming, but all of this was so well written and researched. There are channels that post intentional misinformation with millions of subscribers and yet you only have 30k? Ridiculous. As for EdTech, I'm 22. I grew up with my schools using Windows XP when I started, and Windows 8 by the end of it. Some of the schools i was at used iPads, and some didn't. I don't understand why schools stop kids using their phones tbh. It's an integral part of the world now and it just seems like such a missed opportunity to teach more. With the only downside being that kids will probably pick on each other based on what phone they have, I really don't get why we tell them to leave them at home. Ever tried to hold down a job without a phone? Me neither. But I'd bet it's nearly impossible. The only thing is I would say schools need to focus more on digital wellbeing. My day job has me stare at a computer for 6 hours a day. Not healthy. I wish I was taught the correct way to use a computer so less strain is on my back.
A funny story I have to share: back in what would be elementary school in the US (here it goes from grade 1-4), there was a website where you could get points for reading books and answering questions about them. With these points, you could play minigames. I eventually read so much that I had hundreds of thousands of points, which was worth over 12.000 games of Tetris.
I'll be honest I think this video should be retitled to "The Pros and Cons of EdTech", since there's much more discussion in this on the upsides and downsides rather than the actual history. And the only real mention of "rise and fall" is just a short personal anecdote with not much evidence. Just trying to help your channel 😁
Oh! It’s a serious question! Hmmm I mean I don’t think I have enough knowledge to advise you on that… I would think that it probably depends. I’m just voicing my opinions as an outsider/consumer, I’m not an insider in the industry. But good luck on all your future endeavors!
Misleading info here. Poorly researched all-around. A) Yes, schools do create Google accounts for their students. But those accounts are tied to our school, not them personally. Once they leave, the account is deactivated. B) What exact data do you reckon will be mined from, say, a math app? Do you imagine that companies care what your multiplication fluency was when you were 9 years old? If you're concerned about a company obtaining a person's data, tell me the last time you read an entire end user agreement before clicking "accept." C) "What happens to all of these accounts after you leave school?" -- Again -- they are deactivated. It's as simple as going into Google Admin and clicking "deactivate" for an entire class of students once they graduate, or on an individual basis when the student leaves the school. D) "Simply too much screen time" -- Students aren't staring at screens all day long. Yes, we've replaced paper with computers--just like we've replaced horses with cars. Computers can do infinitely more than a piece of paper can, and they enable teachers to individualize instruction in a way that simply isn't possible otherwise. E) "Creates an over-reliance on technology" -- 21st century society relies on technology. If we're aiming to prepare students to be ready for the 21st century world, they need to be fluent in the use of technology. F) From the teacher POV, there is absolutely no advantage to having students "print paper out, staple it, and turn it in by hand." In fact, there are many advantages to having students use Google Classroom or something similar, in terms of time, energy, and organization. G) The concept of ed-tech "rising and falling" is silly. It's simply rising right now, as companies find ways to address needs. I haven't heard of a school that implemented technology successfully, and then said "You know what? Let's stop using technology." H) Many of your points here are "Maybe it's good to... I don't know but what if ..." -- This is called speculation. You aren't providing an argument with evidence to back it, just saying "what if?" ... Do yourself a favor and research a topic before creating a video with a thesis on that topic.
Personally I am glad that EdTech is falling. Don't get me wrong if done correctly it can be great buf in most cases I think children should know and value their privacy.
My comment section glitched out and was randomly disabled, but I figured out how to enable it again...sorry about that, hope you enjoyed the vid!
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As someone who's currently doing an eduTech Seminar at uni, this video seems scarily fitting. You do make some good points on digital caution. :)
The decline of edtech has not been subtle. Most programs have been getting worse for years, with additional data harvesting, advertising, surveillance, and over commercialization. Quizlet is a perfect example of this. The website first had no ads, then non-intrusive sidebar ads, then ads during activities, then video ads and ad breaks between studying and paywalled content. They have become more rabid in advertising Quizlet Plus while the service as a while has been completely destroyed. The paywalled or got rid of the features that made the service worthwhile, like tests and Gravity.
same thing with photomath. you pretty much can't do anything without buying their photomath plus or whatever they call it
Hey, that's exactly why I am building an free alternative SchreibRadar
I finished highschool a little less than a decade before EduTech took off, but got some early experience with it in teaching for a brief period of time using things like Scratch later on.
It always felt neat but probably not effective for every kind of student, which I think is a bigger problem than just EduTech by itself (catering to a generic majority and leaving any kids that won't adapt behind).
By the time the pandemic started I was long gone working elsewhere but it is shocking how many accounts they need now, more and more data gathering all around.
Never knew EdTechwas was this relevant in first world countries. At least in schools.
We're still relying in old reliable paper for the most part. Only in Uni it gets more relevant ( if not totally necessary).
One of the things I hate is stuff like linewize that blocks useful websites thinking it’s “offensive” to help “protect” is from harmful things, which is ok… but some can be bad
I finished highschool (secondary/elementary school) when I was 19 on 2021 but i'm gonna explain my experience on quarantine when I was at the 4th year of secondary:
1- The Blended platform: At first this platform I had a lot of issues on 2020-2021 (bugs, bad update changes) and the worst part: Some of my teachers couldn't understand everything.
2- Zoom Platform: In this one I was totally alright with those online classrooms and I used to teach my teachers how to use the software. And yes, you may remember when joking and trolling on zoom was relevant and my classmates managed to cancel another exposition of Psychology but my group exposed first because my classmates were ready to do the exam.
3- I used to have a lot of homework made with Word, Excel or Powerpoint, however I didn't enjoy making videos on there.
4- Google Meet: In 2021 until september of that year, we were still on quarantine and sometimes I had to use this platform for 1 subject, the thing is that It was nice to have online classes without noises of my classmates screaming out but unfortunately, I went back to school and I got more stressed than before. So the Quarantine was better.
Id love to see you do a video about late 90's to mid 00's "futuristic" UI/UX design. Its such an interesting era.
@@thotslayer9914 TH-cam won't let me fix those links, so you'll just have to take out the parentheses at the end from each of them.
@@thotslayer9914 sorry, looks like my first reply didn't go through. I'll repost it.
@@thotslayer9914 after some quick searching, the two examples that I found are the original Xbox menu UI, and a DeviantArt post by Jsnfwlr (I'm pretty sure I spelled that right) called Litestep Turtle Soup II. Similar examples can be seen in the Wipeout racing games and in the graphics section of the Y2K entry on the aesthetics wiki. Sorry I can't provide links to any of these.
Your videos are very very well organized and the motivation here to make genuine informative content is admirable. Keep going! You deserve all the success coming your way!
Thank you so much :)
There’s a new vid in the works!!
In the CIS (Belarus, Russia, etc.) with Edtech the situation is quite interesting. Teachers are just starting to like educational software, while many schools do not allow it. The EdTech audience is also interesting - the main users of educational courses are not schoolchildren, they are people aged 18-25. I'm sure the EdTech era is just beginning in eastern Europe, it's just that our old-fashioned managers don't want to accept it (calculators in mathematics are banned in our country to this day, xd).
(The Finest channel about technologies of the past, lmao)
Plus most schools are too poor to have actual Edtech programs on a computers, the only one that works in mine school is just that testing site thing idk
I think it does depend on the country. As a Romanian I can confirm this whole EdTech trend has been going on here for roughly 6-5 years now. And it’s still used by teachers, especially in the cities where most schools are funded enough to have all the resources. But to be fair Romania is richer than Belarus or Russia so that might have something to do with it…
А ты откуда?
@@somedude7701 Беларусь.
Are the CIS Slavic countries?
The funny thing is where I live we never really utilized edtech (aside from Quizlet, a computer lab login, typing games, and a game that I think was called "mathletics" or something) until highschool, I don't even think I had a school Gmail until then (atleast one I knew existed) which I find funny since COVID didn't happen since I was in grade 11 and it continued until I graduated and mask mandates didn't stop until my second semester of the first year of uni.
Also speaking of defunct EdTech that would be an interesting video I'm excited now 👀
Edit: Omg I've been noticed
I will never forgive Quizlet for becoming paid. No one uses their service because it's that good, they use it because it's free learning software.
My school deletes our Google accounts, so you have to be quick to save your work before they close the account.
Good points in this video. I don’t think it will go away because those applications will likely become even more invasive by recording keystrokes and measuring the velocity of mouse movements etc so that they can judge whether or not a student is cheating.
Also a lot of those applications could require that a webcam be on while they type out their answers etc. So even if a student tried to do a ctrl + C and ctrl + V from chatGPT that could be logged.
I don’t disagree that AI will have a big impact on education apps like that in general though I don’t think they will go away. Government and tech companies are addicted to recording all data from people in general so I doubt that’s going to stop when it comes to schools and education software.
Possibly handwritten work could be scanned into those apps and the app would convert it to typed text?
It seems like kids don’t really care about their privacy, they just sign up for services and don’t ever know that they are using their data
I still think kids should still get a choice for their privacy and should get proper education about it
I love the insights you provide into such interesting topics. Always happy to see an upload from you. Looking forward to the next one :)
Bring back those textbooks. This is why the kids today don't know how to spell. Everything is autocorrect now
I'm glad I was finishing school when this was starting to take off
I think that some day in future computers will become much better at teaching than actual human teachers. Just imagine how AI would be able to analyze a person and generate perfect book/tutorial that will explain stuff perfectly.
Darn, now that you mention it I'm kind of surprised EdTech isn't talked about more amongst those who are concerned about digital privacy. Or maybe it's already talked about a lot and I just haven't been paying attention. I have to say though, it would be kind of interesting to see mass protest from parents who care deeply about their own privacy and use Linux/VM for everything only to see their own children getting sold out to Google/Apple/Microsoft. Maybe we're not seeing too much of that because of an insignificant overlap between today's parents and digital privacy neat-freaks?
I know for me writing notes and reading physical paper really works better for me lots of times and i always hated when my teacher would photocopy a page to google classroom
why does my youtube converter bring me here? :(
comments are back babyyyy, thanks for the new video!
I just found your channel and I just have to say bravo.
Not only is your voice absolutely charming, but all of this was so well written and researched. There are channels that post intentional misinformation with millions of subscribers and yet you only have 30k? Ridiculous.
As for EdTech, I'm 22. I grew up with my schools using Windows XP when I started, and Windows 8 by the end of it. Some of the schools i was at used iPads, and some didn't.
I don't understand why schools stop kids using their phones tbh. It's an integral part of the world now and it just seems like such a missed opportunity to teach more. With the only downside being that kids will probably pick on each other based on what phone they have, I really don't get why we tell them to leave them at home. Ever tried to hold down a job without a phone? Me neither. But I'd bet it's nearly impossible.
The only thing is I would say schools need to focus more on digital wellbeing. My day job has me stare at a computer for 6 hours a day. Not healthy. I wish I was taught the correct way to use a computer so less strain is on my back.
never thought about the privacy aspect.. damn
When kids leave they are supposed to disable the accounts. They aren't active, but they aren't deleted either
Hello, did you made any video about oversized smartphones? ;)
A funny story I have to share: back in what would be elementary school in the US (here it goes from grade 1-4), there was a website where you could get points for reading books and answering questions about them. With these points, you could play minigames. I eventually read so much that I had hundreds of thousands of points, which was worth over 12.000 games of Tetris.
I'll be honest I think this video should be retitled to "The Pros and Cons of EdTech", since there's much more discussion in this on the upsides and downsides rather than the actual history. And the only real mention of "rise and fall" is just a short personal anecdote with not much evidence. Just trying to help your channel 😁
It gets worse when schools start using iPads and MDM
I don't know why but i realized that i kind of like your voice.
KELLY KOHLER????
something other than UI/UC huh! I like it...
I'm still using Duolingo
So it's not a good idea to start a career in edtech right now?
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@@Undefined.100 that's your answer? I'm serious
Oh! It’s a serious question! Hmmm I mean I don’t think I have enough knowledge to advise you on that… I would think that it probably depends. I’m just voicing my opinions as an outsider/consumer, I’m not an insider in the industry. But good luck on all your future endeavors!
No matter what Prodigy is an amazing game
English on the other hand…
Dont show me school programs show me 2000s design
Channels should be allowed to post videos outside their niche and explore without being audience-captured, I think. :)
Comments are back yay!
Hey why so empty herr
You have a nice voice
you are so real for this video
Nice video
Underrated channel
Misleading info here. Poorly researched all-around.
A) Yes, schools do create Google accounts for their students. But those accounts are tied to our school, not them personally. Once they leave, the account is deactivated.
B) What exact data do you reckon will be mined from, say, a math app? Do you imagine that companies care what your multiplication fluency was when you were 9 years old? If you're concerned about a company obtaining a person's data, tell me the last time you read an entire end user agreement before clicking "accept."
C) "What happens to all of these accounts after you leave school?" -- Again -- they are deactivated. It's as simple as going into Google Admin and clicking "deactivate" for an entire class of students once they graduate, or on an individual basis when the student leaves the school.
D) "Simply too much screen time" -- Students aren't staring at screens all day long. Yes, we've replaced paper with computers--just like we've replaced horses with cars. Computers can do infinitely more than a piece of paper can, and they enable teachers to individualize instruction in a way that simply isn't possible otherwise.
E) "Creates an over-reliance on technology" -- 21st century society relies on technology. If we're aiming to prepare students to be ready for the 21st century world, they need to be fluent in the use of technology.
F) From the teacher POV, there is absolutely no advantage to having students "print paper out, staple it, and turn it in by hand." In fact, there are many advantages to having students use Google Classroom or something similar, in terms of time, energy, and organization.
G) The concept of ed-tech "rising and falling" is silly. It's simply rising right now, as companies find ways to address needs. I haven't heard of a school that implemented technology successfully, and then said "You know what? Let's stop using technology."
H) Many of your points here are "Maybe it's good to... I don't know but what if ..." -- This is called speculation. You aren't providing an argument with evidence to back it, just saying "what if?" ... Do yourself a favor and research a topic before creating a video with a thesis on that topic.
I love your content
Personally I am glad that EdTech is falling. Don't get me wrong if done correctly it can be great buf in most cases I think children should know and value their privacy.
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Great video as always!
Well explained
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I think EdTech used to be cool but the hype kind of died cause technology in general is boring now
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