HOW IN THE WORLD PEOPLE THINK THAT BUUHAN IS WEAKER THAN KID HE'S litteraly Kid + fat + piccolo + Trunks + Goten + Kaioshin of the north + daikaioshin + Potential Unleashed Gohan in What world does Kid buu bein stronger than Himself + a bunch of people power and hax make SENS ?????????
Because it's said that he lost power when absorbed Kai.In Anime it's said multiple time that Kid buu is stronger.And Akira said that smallest tiny Buu is stronger which is Kid buu.This is anime-manga why use logic.
@@gamemastery3532it was never stated that kid buu is stronger than buuhan, it was said that he's more dangerous. kid buu is more dangerous because he just destroys everything and doesn't care, but he's not stronger than buuhan
The first part of your scaling is wrong let me fix it for you: SSJ Vegito>>Buuhan>Buutenks>ssj3 Goku(after kid buu fight)>Kid buu>Ultimate Gohan> Buuccolo>Super Buu>/=ssj3Gotenks=ssj3 Goku (before kid buu fight)>fat buu>majin vegeta>ssj Gotenks>base gotenks There you go.
I cannot comprehend why you could even suggest that Kid Buu is the strongest version of Buu. It is not true for one reason: Goku and Vegeta lose against Super Buu while Goku is on par with Kid Buu. He loses against Kid Buu because of Kid Buu's regenerative abilities. Goku after the fusion had no rest, no zenkai boost, no training of any sort nor did he receive a buff of any kind which means that Goku when he fights Kid Buu is at the same level as when he states Super Buu would kill Vegeta and him both. Daima didn't change that as one year passed between its events and the Buu saga. Gohan likely didn't train at all while Vegeta and Goku probably spar regularly and train hard which would put them above Gohan during Daima. It's also likely that since Gohan doesn't appear in Daima, the narrator just doesn't count him as a fighter at this point which would be substantiated by my previous statement. Furthermore, no event in DBS retcons Buu saga scaling in any way, shape, or form. I truly hope you can reflect on your awful take and actually start to think because even in a narrative sense it doesn't make sense. oh and before you try to argue that the fusion made them stronger after they've unfused, they would have stated it. I do have to thank you for one thing though. I didn't know someone could have a take so stupid it'd make me actually mad.
So I'm not going to watch this video. I was however curious to see if the thumbnail was just clickbait so I checked the comments. I see now from what you're saying that the guy was 100% serious so I'm going to see myself out. Thanks for this comment
@@webbiefade14 I mean, i saw a video of Kid Goku beyond tiering system Based in comments i’m sure enough that it was serious as they were trying to make fun of other power scalers.
@obamawasreal0264 goku was terrified of the idea of fighting buuhan he was confident that he could beat kid buu, how do you explain that exactly? kid buu is only more dangerous because he's mindless and if you wanna bring up goku saying his power is increasing when he started transforming to kid buu, that was talking about the buff super buu form not kid buu and we know this because after he fully transformed they got confident that they could beat him again intel he decided to just say fuck the battle and blow up the earth. There's no way that kid buu is stronger then the version of himself with high universal feats (buuhan) if he was that strong don't you think he would have done more then just destroy a galaxy over a long period of time?
@jackdemerritt5189 because he wasn't terrified and when he was inside buu was tiny and 1/100th of his full power + Goku got stronger as the arc lol + the anime states at least half a dozen times that kid buu was the most powerful buu on top of being the most dangerous
2 minutes into the video. Goku as a SSJ has a power level of 3,000 (using Buu saga power levels which are different than the Saiyan/Frieza saga) Dabura clearly says that he would beat with confidence anyone with a power level of 4,000 So saying base Goku is above Dabura is already crazy (using the well known x50 boost, Goku in base would be 60 pl). il'll continue the video now.
I agree with you on your calculation but the device says Goku has a reading of 3,000 Kilis, in the anime, says that 300 Kilis is enough to destroy a planet. 300 x 10 = 3000 ok so Goku SSJ1 = 10 planet ? just as a reminder Akira Toriyama said that you need a power level of 10,000 to destroy a planet Oozaru Vegeta (base×10) 180 000 PL = 18 planet do you think (Saiyan Saga Vegeta) is stronger than (Buu Saga Goku) ? In addition, in the anime/Manga we clearly see that the energy detector is at maximum and cannot go higher, so we can say that Goku is stronger but the detector cannot read it.
@@Lost_SoNy we can't be sure how kilis actually work, they are probably not linear and are actually exponential Just as an example, let's pretend it takes 1 kili to blow up a planet, and then 2 kili is obviously double of 1 so you would expect it to blow up 2 planets, but if it works exponentially, it could blow up 6 planets (just chose a random number), then a kili of 4 could blow up not 12 planets, but 72 planets (just chose a random number again) I hope that makes sense?
Personally, I feel like manga-wise, the highest we could ever get Kid Buu is above Super Buu, but that requires us to think Super Buu self reported on himself when making his strongest declarations after absorption for being the strongest Majin even then this is requiring us to throw a lot of numbers out the window and to focus on statements made, and retroactive interpretations, such as Goku's performance against Fat Buu being fraudulent -- Cell Saga -> Otherworld Saga wise, I think the only reason Base Goku being as strong as Super Perfect Cell while needing SS2 to surpass his sons rage power was allowed to occur is due to the fact that scaling in the manga after Gohan goes SS2 compared to Cell gets wonky without Modern Z/DBS-anime content to emphasize the power gap, such as Revival of F Gohan STILL being stronger than Piccolo (in base) even without Super Saiyan being consistently accessible and SS2/Ultimate being off the table XD
Kid buu and majin buu are too different persons trapped in same body.Majin buu personality was created due to grand kai magic.Kid buu is not magin buu stated bu super buu to vegeta.Kid buu is completely different person so those statements literally doesnt apply to him.
@@om9959 super buu would know kid buu, because it was highlighted in the story that super buu remembering his past self was impressive and fat buu remembers bibidi sealing him up, so i think it's more of a stretch to say super buu isn't aware of kid buu than he does
To say Kid Buu > Buuhan is too imply. Kid Buu >>>> Super Buu + Ultimate Gohan both whom are which stated to be above Super Saiyan Three Goku. Even if we play devils advocate and assume Kid Buu is holding back. He would literally have to use like 1% of his strength to match SSJ3 Goku. Furthermore, SSJ3 Goku was confident has was as strong if not stronger than Kid Buu. With him only realising otherwise due to his lack of stamina and Kid Buu's regeneration. None of which is implied within the series.
@@TomasBregman yeah because it's not implied it's pretty much out there and it's bluntly stated you just love to ignore the half a dozen at least statements of the anime and kai saying he's the strongest buu
@ Hyperboles over common sense now? We literally have statements of boundless nappa??? Or Frieza is the strongest in the universe??? Or Infinite Power Level God of Destruction Cell??? You're telling me that Kid Buu someone who struggled against SSJ3 Goku is somehow magnitudes above characters that have been showcased to be above SSJ3 Goku?
Diama reconfirms a lot of the contentious Buu saga scaling. Like Goku needed ssj to beat glorio who is a shin level opponent. Finally confirming that goku was stronger than shin in base and arguably proving he didn't get any massive boosts throughout the arc like some kid buu fans claim
@@Sokhele he was stated to be shin level before they knew his full strength. So base Goku fought the suppressed shin level and then ssj fought the full power
Shin is stated in a official guide to be about equal to SSJ Goku in the cell saga who was fighting Cell at like 50 or 60%. Goku was stated to have only surpassed SSJ 2 kid Gohan after transforming into SSJ 2 himself. So if we're going by the logic that Base Goku is stronger than his SSJ full power self from The cell games, that would mean that SSJ2 Gohan would have to be at least 50x stronger than Goku. Despite SSJ2 always being stated to be a 2x multiplier of SSJ. Sure Gohan has a rage boost but there's literally nothing to suggest he got that absurdly more powerful. I think base buu saga Goku is probably equal to or above to Android 16 or Imperfect Cell.I think Goku in SSJ 1 could probably destroy most of the Cell saga (Possibly even Super Perfect Cell as Goku thought that Vegeta could defeat Dabura without even knowing Vegeta could even go SSJ2) and he would definitely destroy Shin. But he would need to at least transform.
Well doesn’t Daima take place like a year after Buu’s defeat/some time after the 6 month timeskip? If so, any prior Buu Saga Goku and Vegeta scaling might be irrelevant because they can be as strong as they need to.
Even if we are going off of the manga, it's quite clear that Goku was stronger than Gohan at the end of the Buu Arc and here's why. In chapter 516 Goku stated that the "Genki Dama" that had his friends and family's genki wouldn't be enough to destroy Kid Buu which is important since Gohan's genki was in it and we all know that when genki is gathered together it gives an exponential burst in power as shown in the Saiyan and Freeza Arcs and those were done by using small amounts of genki from billions of people and animals whereas the genki dama that's gathering genki in the Buu Arc is taking the maximum moment from all life on earth, and yet Goku still didn't think would have done it which is important since in chapter 511 Goku was confident that he was able to have one minute to regain his full strength he be able to destroy Kid Buu, and the reason it never happened was because Goku overestimated how long his living body could maintain SSJ3. So yeah Goku is stronger than Gohan at the end of the Buu Arc in the manga.
In my opinion Kid Buu is still the strongest Buu. It’s my head cannon and I’m aware that it’s not gonna make sense. But hear me out Kid Buu probably had the Perfect Cell treatment remember in the Cell saga when Gohan literally punched Android 18 out of his body, he explodes Goku and himself, comes back even stronger, obtaining not only all the power he had absorbing both 17 and 18, but having his body being able to evolve beyond his limits on his own.Because we’re talking about a being who has fought multiple Kai’s on his own with his regular form, absorbs them, turns into the FatBuu, gets sealed away for thousands of years, gets stronger when he returns, fights a bunch of strong warriors, absorbs half of them, lose his absorb forms, and his body comes back stronger than ever in his original form while being able to keep the same power he had when he absorb them. But the only thing he lacks was their intelligence
Goku whilst inside Buu’s body literally told Vegeta that even if they fought together, they stood no chance against Super Buu without the Potara. Mere moments later, he and Vegeta are playing rock paper scissors to see who gets to fight Kid Buu. C’mon man, enough with the willful ignorance, Kid Buu is the second weakest version of Buu with Mr Buu (Fat Buu after separating in 2) being the weakest.
@@yaelvip9789the same goku outright stated that kid buu is far beyond him later and kid was hiding his power and stated he should have fused and kid was stronger than buu goku ever witnessed stated by goku himself.
@@om9959 Goku stated that he underestimated Kid Buu’s stamina and overestimated his own in ssj3 with a mortal body. He literally told Vegeta that he could have finished Kid Buu off if he simply went all out at the beginning, but instead he took his time to give Vegeta a turn, which ended up burning all his ki in Ssj3. The simple fact that he was going toe to toe with Kid Buu is proof enough, this isn’t Super scaling where the characters would get nonsensical power ups from one scene to another 🤷♂️
@@yaelvip9789there was never any scenario where Goku would have beat kid buu without the Spirit bomb, even guide's state that was the only available way of defeating him, kid buu was holding back that entire fight, he also has countless statements supporting him being the strongest buu
@ Agreed, even as a super saiyan 3 and going full power from the get go, Goku was never going to defeat Kid Buu. However, the fact that he even thought he could, means Kid Buu was around the same level of power as he was, Goku just massively underestimated his stamina and regeneration capabilities. Super Buu on the other hand would’ve curb-stomped ssj3 Goku and ssj2 Vegeta simultaneously (Goku was fully aware of this), and don’t even get me started on Buuhan. Those “statements” are either mistranslations in the dub or simply standard Japanese hyperbole taken from the anime (at no point does the manga say Kid Buu is the strongest). Kid Buu being the strongest Buu makes 0 sense from a storytelling and powerscaling stand point. C’mon dude, use some common sense.
@@SaiyanPodcastThat statement could also suggest that Babadi can sense their hidden strength (SSJ and SSJ2) As well as the fact that Babadi thought fodder trash like Pui Pui could pose a threat to the base versions of them. Also this guy really said Goku could beat Super Perfect Cell in base form. Cell at the very least is half of the strength of SSJ 2 Gohan when he was a kid (Super Perfect Cell most likely around like %80 Gohan's full power since Gohan at half strength needed literally everyone's help and was having Goku's energy shared with him.) Goku was stated to have only surpassed that version of Gohan after he goes SSJ2. So how is base Goku stronger than Cell but needs to go SSJ2 to surpass a Gohan who if we're really highballing him is only about twice as strong. So automatically this video is unreliable and invalid.
You are 100% right none of the Saian base forms are stronger than any of the other Z fighters. This is why they all need to transform when they take on a threat. The only time they don’t transform as well whoever they are versus is basically fodder. This was she seen and shown specifically and explicitly with Vegeta versus the weak Majin. All evidence points to Goku being the strongest in the universe. We also have a very powerful quote from the great Akira Toriyama for his untimely demise. When I asked who he believe was the strongest, in an interview he said between Goku’s and Gohan, I think Goku is the strongest the most pure hearted fighter is the strongest, I think. Bantu plays Goku weaker than SSJ III Gotenks. Are literally stating the opposite of what the author Akira Toriyama stated. Which is Goku strongest. We now have dragon ball dimer referencing that Goku is the strongest. So you’re 100% right and many fans who state the opposite or an opposition of the original contact creator and authors statements. As well as the evidence in both among and the enemy. Any fan stating that the anime is different from the manga is complete utter erroneous. The reason being is because the previous two arcs both in manga and anime form are reflective of each other perfectly. The contention comes within the third art because there are fans who wish to disagree with us and wish to place Goku as weak when he is genuinely strong because that is not the reality they wish to accept.
@@Luke21-xk7uh Not likely given how surprised they were when they seen it. It’s more so head canon to assume they could sense Ssj or something like that
When earth blows up, vegeta says why goku didn't save gohan because he was the only one who could've beat Kid buu. And before you say that goku beat kid buu, NO, it was a spirit bomb.
@@abhinavk0929 1- Vegeta doesn’t specifically mention Gohans power being needed. He only says you saved them over your own sons. He’s angry that Goku didn’t save his own children lives. Also Vegeta never ever says “ Gohan is the only one who could have beat Kid Buu”. Show me proof of this being said anywhere in manga or anime. 2- Spirit Bomb is a technique used by Goku. It’s part of his arsenal.
@arsenewenger4847 Regardless Goku himself stated that Super Buu alone could destroy him and Vegeta. Super Buu was getting demolished by Ultimate Gohan, enough said.
Mr buu never got a upper hand on kid buu Kid buu was overwhelming him the whole time the only reason mr buu got hits in was because kid buu was holding back buu even said himself he cant win.
@@Noone-xf9uu mr. buu did, there were various exchanges where mr. buu straight up won against kid buu. ssj2 vegeta landed a total of 2 clean shots on kid buu in his 2 fights with kid buu lmaoo
@@Noone-xf9uu kid buu had the edge but there are several moments where mr. buu put in work. he vaporized half of kid buu, he put in a 20 hit combo on kid buu, he blasted a hole straight in kid buu's mouth, he made 4 clones and jumped kid buu for a min straight, etc.vegeta never even touched kid buu so mr. buu >> ssj2 majin vegeta
Yo my man can you do me a favour I would love if you made a video where you powerscale the humans by the end of each series like z, super ect and you tell use how far they would make it if they had to fight every villain up until then in that series please.
@@ElCucuy2031 so why goku did goku shit his pants at the thought of fighting super buu? But was uber confident he could beat kid buu? Come on use your common sense
Literally everything on the thumbnail is inaccurate... Vegeta was drawn to be ss2 clearly by toriyama himself... Ss3 goku put up a good fight with kid buu b4 losing tons of energy because of ss3.. vegito base is above ss3 goku stated.. and kid buu cant be above the super version of himself.. im mean come on .. his name is SUPER buu for pete sakes.. ok now im going to watch the video and see if i eat my own words LMAO
One thing: If we’re using their fights against the others whenever they were inside of Buu to determine that Goku is stronger than Gohan, then Vegeta would have to be as well; given that Goku was fighting Gohan in only his SSJ form, and the only thing that really gave him the edge over Vegeta before was SSJ3, with there being nothing to really indicate that had changed afterwards. Even if Goku had surpassed Vegeta in SSJ2 as well, it was still only SSJ Goku fighting Gohan, and there’s nothing to suggest that the difference between SSJ Goku and Vegeta would’ve been as great as a whole SSJ transformation.
2:25 WRONGGGGG. Piccolo was NOT doing better than Vegeta and Trunks...Cell LITERALLY says to Gohan that the ONLY two Z fighters that are not dying are VEGETA & TRUNKS.
I've been sayin this for years tht Goku & Kid Buu were the 2 strongest unfused characters in tht saga......& i told ppl Goku had a Zenkai Boost due to him comin bac from the dead & unfusing wit Vegeta which put him on Kid Buus level.....thts why they were equals
The Buu saga is wierd scaling wise. 1. Gohan was only a SSJ vs Dabura not a SSJ2. 2. Vegeta had SSJ2 pre Majin he gained it during the 7 year timeskip. 3. I don't believe Goten and Kid Trunks are that strong as in Yo Son Goku and Friends which is canon as Tarble is mentioned in Battle of Gods they struggled with Cado and Abo. Cado and Abo are 1st form frieza level as Tarble had no clue Frieza could transform when he said they were as strong as Frieza. 3. With Grey Boo I always had Fat Buu splitting 60%/40% with Grey Buu getting more power than Good Buu did. 4. The Diazenshuu clearly stated that Gotenks didn't surpass Vegeta until AFTER the time chamber meaning Majin Vegeta>>SSJ Gotenks pre. 5. As for how Goku and Vegeta got so strong at the end of the Buu Saga the Potara was supposed to be permanent, and the explanation for the split back then was the magic inside Buu's body seperated them. This is supported in Daima as Supreme Kai and Kibito are seperated, and stated they let Buu absorb them which seperated them. Since Vegito was forced apart my headcanon is that Vegito's power was split evenly between Goku and Vegeta. That'a why they could beat Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks clones as strong as the original in only SSJ. 6. As for how strong Vegito was one of the old guides said Super Vegito was perhaps as strong as a SSJ4, and he still had SSJ2 and SSJ3. 7. The 3 statements from KabitoKai, Goku and the narrator do put Kid Buu>>Buuhan at least anime-wise. 8. When Buuhan was rushing at Goku who Instant Transmissioned to Vegeta he said " another one has appeared however even if they fuse like the boys they still can't beat me". That would put Vegito>>Buuhan>>Gogeta.
Gohan was ssj2 when he fought dabura and u can deduce that with 2 reason : -1. Back in the cell games, ssj2 was absolutely required to defeat cell since even ssj grade 4 goku and gohan weren't enough to beat perfect cell alone, now here's the thing it has been stated by goku himself that dabura is around cell lvl and gohan is weaker than his cell game self to the point vegeta said "he was a better fighter as a kid" and goku himself didn't disagree yet this same rusty/out of shape gohan was holding his own against dabura, if u still follow me u now know why there's no way gohan did fight dabura that well only using normal ssj, he was factually using ssj2 otherwise dabura would had neg him. -2. The hairstyle, ssj gohan has two bangs (one smaller than the other) while he only has one using ssj2 and his hair are spikier, toei just forgot to add the lightning as usual.
@christopher8295 Toryiama drew Gohan as a SSJ vs Dabura, and it wasn't an error as he drew Gohan's SSJ2 form correctly vs Kibito and Goku and Vegeta's SSJ2 forms correctly less than 2 chapters apart. Diazenshuu #7 says the only time Buu saga gohan used SSJ2 was against Kibito. Goku was dead when Cell returned as Super Perfect Cell, so he's referring to Full power Perfect Cell when comparing him Dabura as it's the last form he saw before he died. When Vegeta says he could beat Dabura Gohan later agreed and Goku doesn't disagree yet they don't know Vegeta has SSJ2 at that point, so basically they are saying SSJ pre Majin Vegeta>>Dabura. After Dabura leaves to tell Babidi about Vegeta Gohan says " Vegeta's right if he fought Dabura he'd have killed him, and Krillin and Piccolo would be back to normal". It's obvious Dabura was massively holding back vs SSJ Gohan as later Babidi asks if Dabura is sure he can beat him, and Dabura says of course Gohan is trash that he can beat any time he wants. Also Super doesn't prove anything regarding Gohan as Future Dabura>>Present Dabura which is why Future Trunks needed SSJ2 while Buu Saga Gohan was only a SSJ.
1 Gohan was in SSJ2. Goku clearly said, that Gohan could've easily defeat Dabura, if he got angry, which wouldn't make sense, if Gohan wasn't in SSJ2 3 Goten and Trunks's pls are inconsistent. At the beginning of the Buu saga Goten was stated to be equal to SSJ Gohan, who's equal to CG self (he was weaker in SSJ2 due to not having rage boost) 4 Gotenks in SSJ should be clearly stronger, than Majin Vegeta, bc gap between Gohan and Vegeta wasn't that big. On top of that, base Gotenks was much stronger, than SSJ Goten and Trunks and he had 50x, so there's no way, that SSJ Gotenks pre ROSAT couldn't surpass Majin Vegeta. 5 Goku and Vegeta fighting with clones of their sons and Piccolo isn't canon. And why did Goku fear to fight Super Buu, when these two were in Buu's body or even after they free everyone? 6 I don't think it's a good idea to bring GT here. 7 it was never stated in the manga and anime (outside of fillers), that Kid Buu is the strongest out of all Buu's
@@ОлександрШишкін-м5р 1. Goku is talking about Gohan's Rage boost. Gohan got a 1,307x rage boost vs Raditz, Gohan got a rage boost on top of SSJ2 vs Cell, that why Cell Games Teen Gohan had a boost way higher than 2X, and Vegeta got a rage boost in Battle of Gods that made Vegeta's SSJ2>>>>>>>>Goku's SSJ3. Toryiama drew Gohan clearly as a SSJ vs Dabura while drawing Gohan clearly as a SSJ2 vs Kibito, and drew Goku and Majin Vegeta clearly as SSJ2 all withing 2 chapters. That means drawing Gohan as a SSJ vs Dabura WAS NOT a mistake. Goku was dead when Cell returned as Super Perfect Cell therefore Goku doesn't know how strong he was, and was talking about Full power perfect Cell when comparing him to Dabura. Dabura called Gohan trash he can beat at any time during the 2nd fight at Buu's Ball. Vegeta said he could beat Dabura, Goku doesn't disagree, Gohan says "Vegeta is right he would've killed Dabura, and Piccolo and Krillin would be fine", and they didn't know Vegeta had SSJ2 at the time meaning SSJ Vegeta pre Majin>>>Dabura>>SSJ Gohan.
@@ОлександрШишкін-м5р 3. Vegeta satetd 3 times Gohan was much weaker than when he fought Cell, and Goku said Gohan was weaker. They are talking overall not just SSJ2. Base and SSJ Cell games Teen Gohan>>>>>>Buu Saga Adult Gohan.
[Some points in buu saga scaling is off for real for me] 1. Fusion multiply is off, for examples + goten and trunk was stated that they are not soo far distance in power compare to gohan, and gohan is not soo far compare vegeta and goku (stated by vegeta himself about goku SSJ2 is surpasses gohan SSJ2 went against cell, and gohan after 7 years is weaker but not soo much significant) So we have: Goku = 10 Vegeta = 9 Gohan = 7 Goten/trunk = 3 And let just use standard fusion multiply as: (A + B) x50 And goku SSJ3 is x400 meaning 10 x400 = 4,000 Gotenk: (3 + 3) x50 = 300 SSJ gotenk = 300 x 50 = 15,000 Goten/trunk (after HTC) = 6 Gotenk (after HTC) = 600 Gotenk (SSJ) = 30,000 Gotenk (SSJ3) = 240,000 And majin buu is weaker than SSJ3 goku, meaning he is around 2,500 And later get separate into 2 different beings, meaning evil buu is 1,400 and good buu is 1,100 (because evil buu is significant stronger than good buu) And super buu is little bit weaker than post HTC SSJ3 gotenk And gotenk is 240,000, meaning super buu would be ~ 200,000 =basically getting x80 times stronger? And mystic gohan is stronger than gotenk, make hin asleast 280,000! (And because his potential unleashed state that is stated to be stronger than SSJ3, and SSJ3 is x400 = mystic form of gohan would as very least x500), would mean gohan PL will be as 560 BC: 560 × 500 = 280,000 (also x80 stronger than his original pl in beginning of buu arc?)! And buutenk is super buu absorbed gotenk and piccolo, make him as "240,000 + 200,000 + piccolo = 440,000" ! And buuhan is stronger! "200,000 + 280,000 = 480,000" And main issue is vegito! Like before, goku = 10 and vegeta = 9 Doing fusion potara, make them as (10 + 9) x50 = 950 Meaning SSJ vegito is 950 x 50 = 47,500 LIKE HOW IS IT POSSIBLE ??? *WENT IN THE MANGA: VEGITO IN SSJ COULD EASILY BULLIED BUUHAN *AND IN ANIME: VEGITO DID IT IN BASE ?????? And even if the fusion multiply is A x B, the outcome is still the same, how can the distance between vegito and gotenk is that large Went many scans and statement in boths manga and anime, was shown that goten and trunk, specially gotenk is that strong!? ______ after that, I see in some places that peoples is telling me that after fusion, boths goku and vegeta is absorbed half of vegito power into themselves! LIKE HOW???? the scene in anime went inside buu body, goku and vegeta in SSJ could solos boths SSJ3 gotenk, mystic gohan and piccolo, and they're actually winning, LIKE HOW????? SO IN ANIME, VEGITO WAS BEATING BUUHAN (EASILY), MAKE HIM WOULD BE ASLEAST X1,5 STRONGER THAN BUU = VEGITO is as 760,000 VEGITO IN SSJ = 38,000,000 AS TOTAL 800 TIMES STRONGER THAN HIS ACTUAL (ACTUAL) PL IS SUPPORT TO BE 950! And by x800, meaning goku and vegeta will be Goku x800 = 8,000 Goku SSJ = 400,000 Goku SSJ2 = 800,000 Goku SSJ3 = 3,200,000 ___ Vegeta x800 = 7,200 Vegeta SSJ = 360,000 Vegeta SSJ2 = 720,000 +and by half vegito power! Meaning! Vegeta = 380,000 +SSJ = 19,000,000 +SSJ2 = 38,000,000 ____ Goku = 380,000 +SSJ3 = 152,000,000 _______ Did that mean kid buu is 150,000,000 (compare to 480,000 of buuhan, like how 😅?) ____ And finally, kid buu by statement in anime is the most strongest buu, and he is relevantly equal to SSJ3 goku (AFTER FUSION), WOULD MEAN HIM AS VERY LEAST = 3,000,000 LIKE FOR REAL?????!!!!!! ________ SO IN TOTAL 1. goten/trunk = 6 2. Gotenk = 600 3. Gotenk (SSJ3) = 240,000 4. Mystic gohan = 280,000 5. Buutenk ~> 440,000 6. Buuhan ~> 480,000 7. Vegeta (SSJ2)(after fusion) = 720,000 8. Goku (SSJ3)(after fusion) = 3,200,000 9. Kid buu = 3,000,000 10. Super vegito = 38,000,000 _________ Yeah, in conclusion, buu saga scaling is absurdly broken! [Sorry, this is really long comment 😅]
And dude, using ova scenes + statements is not a right thing to scale DBZ main canon tho 😅 (like really) 1. Pikkon one-shot super perfect cell while suppressed Like how many time you have seen characters with high multiply tranformation forms get one shot in the show? Or those who is support to be way stronger than others, is possibly get one shot by lower PL characters? For examples 1. Krilin would had one shot nappa in saiyan saga if vegeta wasn't warned him 2. Frieza in the same in namek arc if he not dodge krilin kienzan in his second form 3. Or granola clone (is obviously way weaker than MUI) was one shot goku, did that same clone one shot MUI goku,... So basically Pikkon was one shot cell went he DIDN'T USING HIS FP ACTUAL POWER! and pikkon was used his flame aura, the same aura went he fight serious with SSJ goku later on, meaning that pikkon was serious and actual goes all out went against cell! So yeah, saying base goku could one shot super perfect cell, by saying he could damaged pikkon while wearing heavy weighted cloth, the same sloth he wearing against cell (went cell is not as FP) is stupid (I mean IT) _________. And for gohan statement in movie 10 for buu saga, really? Quite sad to tell but, movies is not canon to the main stories +gohan in movie 10 is actually serious training for 7 years +but gohan in beginning of buu saga is only training to staying in shape, he mostly only learning for school So using movie 10 statement to scale gohan in main story line to think that same school boy gohan (in beginning of buu arc) could one shot super perfect cell is ridiculous So yeah, nope 🙅♂️
Who did say, that Goku and Vegeta absorbed half of Vegito's power? + It wouldn't make sense, bc Goku feared to fight Super Buu, who's much weaker, than 50% base Vegito. And Goku and Vegeta fighting clones of their sons and Piccolo is filler, so it isn't canon
@@ОлександрШишкін-м5р alots (but sorry, I not remember their name) But took as a positive way, you can say that those gotenk & piccolo and gohan that vegeta and goku had faces in buu body, was just a bunch of holograms images of themselves Like you can see in some scenes in anime that they after getting hit, they did getting blurred and later on, get faded away = so you can say that, they're just holograms version of them with almost no actual fighting capability (like for real, how can someone way weaker than gotenk & gohan like super buu, could possibly able to using 100% power of those of them without absorbs??!) But yeah, kinda agree! Most fillers in DBZ shouldn't put in scaling soo seriously on actual show power scaling 😅👍
Hold up hold up… they did fight against 18 individually and lost so what’s the explanation? 18 is an android with infinite energy against some kid who can use ssj1 so no I can’t believe that
@@om9959then why he couldn't adapt to Raditz after getting oneshoted? Or against Cell? Or against Frieza? And in GB arc and TOP that's bs, bc sayans can't get stronger by just fighting without getting new form, unless your name is Broly
Wait wait. How do u say that goku gained a zenkai and surpassed Gohan, but then earlier u also say the Same goku in the Same context says hes still inferior to Super Buu??
There’s no controversy people just made it that way Buuhan was always the strongest Buu kid Buu was just more dangerous cause he doesn’t have a conscious fr vegito wipes the whole verse gohan was stronger then ssj3 goku etc.
kid buu glazing saying kid buu is stronger than buuhan is no different than saying ssj3 goku>buuhan(sounds stupid🤣) when buutenk literally fodder ssj 3 goku(don't bring in zenkai boost when after unfuse with vegeta both are not treated)
@@ОлександрШишкін-м5р Nah, it was stated if Kid Buu beat Goku and Vegeta, the universe is doomed which debunks your argument entirely. Piccolo was also weary of Gotenks fighting Buu when he knew Goku could destroy him.
@@ОлександрШишкін-м5р It proves it because Kid Buu > All forms of Buu and Goku has been called the strongest in the universe in the Buu Saga in a LOT of sources.
Daima already places goku over gohan. The manga already places kid over super. The manga is inconclusive on on buuhan over kid but the anime repeatedly calls kid the strongest. Id day the answer is buuhan>buutenks>kid>buccalo>super>fat
Daima takes place after the buu saga meaning goku had time to train and we know gohan wouldn’t train so it’s more likely that goku (and maybe vegeta) just surpassed him after the training not that he was always stronger then ultimate gohan
@@Turtlesarecool609The same kid buu who pushed a spirit which every single z fighters combined.Spirit bomb by itself stated be strongest energy ever and a krytonite for kid buu.Stronger than fodder buuhan who only absorbed half as much people.Kid buu is a deity with god ki who was sealed away by grand kai absorbtion and cheap personality without god ki took over called super buu.Super buu has nothing to do with kid by stated by superbuu himself other both sharing same body similar too kurama and naruto.
@ kid buu holding off the spirit bomb dose not mean he’s as strong as everyone combined if that were the case then ssj3 goku wouldn’t have been able to keep up with him at all kid buu never over powered the spirit bomb at all he only pushed it harder then base goku with no ki left could as soon as goku got his ki back and the spirit bomb actually made contact buu started to die instantly
@@om9959gohan goten trunks piccolo had just been revived when your revived your energy isn't back to full ki which is why he pushed it back and kid buu didn't have access to that god ki otherwise he would not have lost and if kid buu has god ki shouldn't evil buu have it too? He is the manifestation of kid buu
@ and kid buu having god ki shouldn’t really affect anything considering goku and vegeta were fully able to sense his power so either buu couldn’t use it or it wasn’t enough to make a difference to begin with
The same kid buu who pushed a spirit which every single z fighters combined.Spirit bomb by itself stated be strongest energy ever and a krytonite for kid buu.Stronger than fodder buuhan who only absorbed half as much people.Kid buu is a deity with god ki who was sealed away by grand kai absorbtion and cheap personality without god ki took over called super buu.Super buu has nothing to do with kid by stated by superbuu himself other both sharing same body similar too kurama and naruto.
U kinda lost me as soon as u mentioned Pikkon a filler character. And saying Goku can be Cell in base. I'm pretty sure Goku needs at least ssj. And I'm pretty sure part 1 Gohan would have to go ssj the beat Piccolo too, ssj Gohan was stronger Piccolo in Cell Saga idk where u got base form being stronger. I can't see 8yr old base Trunks being stronger than the same 18 that humiliated a ssj Vegeta and 18 was clearly holding back in the tournament too not expecting to fight someone as strong as "Mighty Mask" Just can't comprehend how they can be that strong in base when Gohan and Vegeta, respectively, found out they can go ssj. Since Buu transformed into Piccolo its safe to say he was the strongest individual of the Trio when the fusion was up going back to 1 of the 1st points how it doesn't make much sense base Gohan in earlier part being stronger than Piccolo.
You can't put Base Buu Saga Gohan above Dabura considering SPC was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan in Cell Games according to anime. If anything it would just imply Base Goku>SSJ2 Gohan, if we use filler.
It could be a short video but a theoretical base vegito vs buuhan full fight could be something worth doing seeing how different it would be or still similar. Or a ssj gohan full power (willing to fight in this scenario unlike canon) vs regular perfect form cell edit: Also kid buu being the strongest just absolutely sounds outragous considering that would mean an unstated absolutely broken zenkai which i wont even go into considering how it somehow would make them both at the very least on buuhans level which if somehow it was a zenkai would be the biggest zenkai in the series. Also in no world anyone can convince me kid buu is even close to even base vegito. The anime was known for contradictory and hyperbole/hyping up statements constsntly remember when second form frieza was stated capable of destroying the universe!? Now that is definintely hard to belive considering by that logic perfect cell who stated to be solar system level would somehow be weaker than frieza. Anime is very iffy with statements if we take all them at face value. Just my take at least maybe im stupid
Bro kid buu is the strongest buu because goku in super sayin was beating nystic Gohan and super buu got beat easily by gohan. goku ssj1> mystic full power Gohan>> base super buu and kid buu needed ssj3 goku and it was still one sided kid buu was treating goku like trash and people say kid buu is weaker than super buu and he has done better things than buhan and goku in base at the end of the buu saga could beat super buu how mystic Gohan did. So how the rank of power is, Super vegito> Kid buu> base vegito>= ssj3 goku>= mystic Gohan> vegta >= gotanks> piccolo> earthlings the correct way of how you showld power scale
You’re just wrong, it’s simple, goku and vegeta had to fuse to even hurt buuhan, while goku in ssj3 could be somewhat on par/a little weaker than kid buu. If you disagree then your saying that ssj3 goku is on par base vegito, and I think it’s obvious that he’s not.
@@Julian-ud3qq dude first Goku is no where near kid buu because in the manga he said himself that he is holding back and second Goku at the end of the buu saga is on par with base vegito
SSJ Goku vs Ultimate Gohan was anime filler. The anime and the manga are two different continuities; this is extremely important, especially for the Kid Buu vs Buuhan debate.
FOR BUUHAN FANS [Manga 508] I know you can't read but ask your mom Kaiô Shin (explains that absorptions don't make boo stronger it depends if the person is good or evil) this boo is a pure incranation of the idea of evil... yes. he gained a herat bue to the absorbtions, which reduced his power...
That's only implied to Kid Buu, turning to Fat Buu. Or how Gohan couldn't beat Buutenks, who should be weaker, than Super Buu? Or why Goku needed to fuse against Buutenks and Buuhan, if Fat Buu should be stronger, bc he absorbed less people and he could've beat Fat Buu?
@@ОлександрШишкін-м5р That implied to all buu Or how Gohan couldn't beat Buutenks; but he didn't beat him why Goku needed to fuse against Buutenks and Buuhan; for the same reason they refused to fuse against the pure version again you just need to read the story rather than invent it
So your saying ssj3 goku is as strong if not stronger than vegito? That’s a big flaw in your argument but yall kid buu fans aren’t ready for that conversation yet
@@Julian-ud3qq no I never said that once again you are making things up when you have learned to read maybe my argument is based on what is written in the manga unlike you who imagine things that do not exist Kaiô Shin (explains that absorptions don't make boo stronger it depends if the person is good or evil) Manga 508 this boo is a pure incranation of the idea of evil... yes. he gained a herat bue to the absorbtions, which reduced his power... it's not my words against yours it's your words against the manga
If Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan, then why did Goku and Vegeta need to fuse to even stand a chance against Buuhan, while Goku was able to handily deal with Kid Buu? Sure, Goku couldn't kill him because of Buu's bullshit regeneration, but he was able to hold him off pretty well for a while. Was Kid Buu holding back the entire fight or something? In all reality, the Buu Saga is a poorly-written mess. The Kid Buu vs Buuhan argument only exists because of the gaping plotholes and conflicting statements. There is no answer because the source material contradicts itself.
This is called Toei scaling because it uses filler and anime only statements to scale. Toei just likes to make the power levels as high as possible with barely any regard for the narrative or scaling in the source material. Some guide books use this scaling too. Thats why there are contradictions. Also Pikon was clearly using some technique when he attacked Cell. Weighted Pikon is not putting super perfect cell down without some power boosting move.
Goku vs Buutenks is Filler juste like the Figth inside Buu those aree FILLER either use one or the other don't use both the material at the same time in the manga goku did't figth Buutenks he was litteraly shiting bricks and the anime Vegeta said either Gotenks or Gohan could handle Kid buu in the manga he did't said it directly he just asked why Goku did't save the kids
Bro, this is the dumbest video, you mention Daima, then use primarily filler and daizenshuu data books (something that has contradictory statements) with no further mention of daima. Also they don't say Kid Buu is the strongest in Japanese but the most dangerous (and he is, Kid Buu can survive the planet blowing up and he's not someone you can reason with.) I'd be fine with you having your headcanon that I personally don't agree with, but wasting my time with nonsense and not presenting new information on your clickbait video is unforgivable
@SonZackSSJ9k 1 what Daizenshuu? 2 it isn't, bc it doesn't contradict to the main story. Garlic Jr arc can't be canon, bc that means, that Dead Zone movie is canon, so that means, that Goku's friends already met Gohan. Or Gohan throwing hands to 50% Namek Frieza, which wouldn't make sense, since that means, that Gohan went from being (at best) Frieza's 3rd form victim to being equal to KKx20 Goku, who surpassed Frieza's 3rd form in base
Okay it all depends on what you use if it the anime then kid buu if manga super buu the reason is kid buu in the anime has been to be the strongest of all time that he got weaker when he absorb the Kai’s as she was no longer pure evil if it is the manga then super buu is the strongest as he says he is the strongest of all majin when he absorbed gotanks then he absorbed Gohan then after that he says he is even stronger then any majin of all time that puts both buutanks and buuhan is stronger
The reason why super was more interesting into fighting gohan more than goku was because the story and the narrative was shifting to him and not goku gohan was once again shaping up to be the main character again until Akira toriyama change his mind again and said the role didn't seem to fit gohan cause he doesn't like fighting and it would hard to build a story around person like that and fans might not accept character like that so he scraps the idea mid gohan and superbuu fight
Remember guys kid buu the pure evil being now(because fat buu is the good part is out) was able to hold back universal spirit bomb while being weakened it only took like the positive energy of the whole universe and rejuvenate amped up zenkai super saiyan goku to put him down with the move specifically made for this moment. Akira story telling makes sense when ur not tryna dissect random head cannons and multiple times false/redacted disengu statements
In episode 8 of dragon ball Daima dr.arinsu and Marba is seeminng creating a new version of majin buu and we see the order of buu transformations good buu, evil buu, super buu, than lastly kid this could be hinting to the strength of forms but this is purely speculation it could mean nothing at all 🤷🏽
In the manga, Goku was only stronger than Fat Buu. But in the anime, he spent the entire arc pretending to be weak so that the younger generation could handle it themselves. Although in anime Goku could beat Buuhan in Super Saiyan 2. Because in the battle with the kid Buu, Goku, who has seen all versions of Buu and Buuhan too, says that the kid Buu is on a completely different level, compared to the previous versions of Buu. And with this Buu, Goku fights in SSJ2, and they power is the same, which means that Goku stronger than Buuhan.
I know you're trying to explain and use the Anime version of Dragon Ball z but I just got to talk about a few of these problems. Majin Vegeta stated when Goku transforms into SSJ2, that he was stronger then his son was when he fought Cell. Meaning Goku only surpassed Teen Gohan SSj2 (Amped), who was stronger than Super Perfect Cell, in his Super Saiyan 2 state. I know you're trying to use the reasoning that Cell was in his Super Perfect Form, but you realised Cell does power down his power. Goku, who was in his Super Sayian grade 4 form when he died, was no longer in his form. Cell also has been seen heavily suppressing himself against Vegeta, Trunks, and Goku, before using his full power against Gohan in his Super Saiyan 2 state. And we were told multiple times that Dabura was equal to Cell, and might be even slightly stronger due to his magic(We weren’t told if Goku was referring to Super Perfect Cell or Normal Perfect Cell, but I’m going to the latter). Gohan needed at least Super Sayian to fight Dabura and maybe SSJ2 but it wasn't ever told. And we know Dabura wasn’t giving it his all due to him toying with Gohan to gain power for Buu. We can also say from Goku words, that Gohan wasn’t able to achieve the power greater to Cell, due not training and no rage amp. SSJ 2 Goku = Majin Vegeta > SS2 Vegeta > SS2 Teen Gohan >= Super Perfect Cell > Dabura(Full Power) >= Perfect Cell >= SSJ1-2 Gohan. SSj3 Goku > Fat Buu >> Majin Vegeta > SS2 Vegeta > SS2 Teen Gohan >= Super Perfect Cell > Dabura(Full Power) >= Perfect Cell >= SSJ1-2 Gohan. 18 was definitely stronger as we see her fight both of them and was still not winning against her. As we know neither Goten and Trunks weren’t stronger, as 18 said she would need to finish this quickly. Base Vegito > Kid Buu >=< Buuhan > Buutenks > > Mystic Gohan >= SSJ3 Goku (Full Power) >Kid Buu< SSJ3 Gotenks. It was stated by Grand Kai, that Vegito was stronger than Buuhan in his base form in the anime Buuhan absorbed Mystic Gohan, who was stronger than Gotenks. Buutenks defeated Mystic Gohan easily. And now here comes the problemes: Kid Buu All I can say is, Kid Buu pushed back the Spirit Bomb that had both the power of earth, AND every Z Fighter! Meaning Mystic Gohan power was also in the Bomb. If you don’t count that against Kid Buu’s power, then he’s stronger than Gotenks but weaker than Full Power SSJ3 Goku. Why do I say Goku’s stronger? Because he never truly went all out in this whole saga due to needing time to charge his power and taking too much damage early in the fight. Goku while in his Super Saiyan 2 state in the anime that kid Buu was twice as strong as before, then would later get a times 4 boost because of Super Saiyan 3, and they were still equal. Now onto the big three’s power levels: Gotenks was said to be equal to Super Boo, and Gohan could defeat a supposedly double in power Gotenks. Goku, THROUGHOUT THE WHO ENTIRE SAGA, didn’t want to be the one to A. Defeat the Main Villain and B. Didn’t want to make Vegeta feel bad about being surpassed. Hence why he chose to let Gohan take the league and was only truly afraid of fighting Buutenks but wasn’t all too scared of Kid Buu. Goku stated on both occasions that he could have killed Fat Buu back on earth and could have killed Kid Buu at Full Power, but didn’t because he wanted the Younger Generation to have a chance and that he wanted to make it fair for Vegeta to have a chance. Only reason he could was because he was running on fumes from fighting Kid Buu earlier and the SSJ3 power drain.
The same kid buu who pushed a spirit which every single z fighters combined.Spirit bomb by itself stated be strongest energy ever and a krytonite for kid buu.Stronger than fodder buuhan who only absorbed half as much people.Kid buu is a deity with god ki who was sealed away by grand kai absorbtion and cheap personality without god ki took over called super buu.Super buu has nothing to do with kid by stated by superbuu himself other both sharing same body similar too kurama and naruto.
GENKI isn't KI directly Mystic Gohan gave he's Genki not he's KI and vegeta said either Gohan or Gotenks could kill kid buu in what world does Kid buu getting a bunch of hax and power from other character makes him weaker he was supressed by the Daikaioshin nothing els Goku was fcking scared of Super buu but for some reason he gain so much power up that he goes from Fat Buu to Buuhan since for you Kid Buu=Buuhan does that make sens to you ????? Kid Buu is arround Fat Buu Tier but unlike Fat Buu he's not Supressed !! and SS3 Goku is Above Kid Buu he said it Himself if he had a minute to gather KI he could kill Kid Buu since he has a mortal bodie he could't do it since SS3 consume to much energie to begin with the only reason Kid Buu survived SS3 goku was he's Bronken Regen ability they were't equal at all.........
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Buuhan > Kid Buu Period
thank you
this debate is honestly so stupid, it's the most obvious thing in dragonball
To say otherwise means ss3 goku is almost as strong as vegito
vegito already was beating on him in base lmao + Kid buu was already massively stronger
You heard that from geekdom like a decade ago lol watch the same
HOW IN THE WORLD PEOPLE THINK THAT BUUHAN IS WEAKER THAN KID HE'S litteraly Kid + fat + piccolo + Trunks + Goten + Kaioshin of the north + daikaioshin + Potential Unleashed Gohan in What world does Kid buu bein stronger than Himself + a bunch of people power and hax make SENS ?????????
Because it's said that he lost power when absorbed Kai.In Anime it's said multiple time that Kid buu is stronger.And Akira said that smallest tiny Buu is stronger which is Kid buu.This is anime-manga why use logic.
@@gamemastery3532it was never stated that kid buu is stronger than buuhan, it was said that he's more dangerous. kid buu is more dangerous because he just destroys everything and doesn't care, but he's not stronger than buuhan
@@gamemastery3532and when did Toriyama say, that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu? Or in the manga?
Goku also stated that piccolo was slowing down buu. Not all fusions grant a boost in power.
@lito7306 goku outright states he was the strongest buu. He said his stemgth, speed, and rate of recovery were on a different level than all the buus
Ok. There's my scaling:
SSJ Vegito>>Buuhan>Buutenks>Ultimate Gohan> Buuccolo>SSJ3 Gotenks≥Super Buu>SSJ Gotenks>Kid Buu ≥SSJ3 Goku> base Gotenks (post ROSAT)=Fat Buu (pre split)> Evil Buu>Good Buu ≥Majin Vegeta=SSJ2 Goku> SSJ2 Vegeta (pre Majin buff)>Dabura≥Cell≥SSJ2 Gohan>SSJ Goku>SSJ Vegeta (pre Majin buff)>SSJ Trunks>SSJ Gohan=SSJ Goten>Shin>Piccolo>18>base Goku>base Vegeta (pre-Majin boost)>base Gohan
I agree
One of the worst scaling...
@@zetset8098I bet your is worst
@@ОлександрШишкін-м5р this is trash
The first part of your scaling is wrong let me fix it for you:
SSJ Vegito>>Buuhan>Buutenks>ssj3 Goku(after kid buu fight)>Kid buu>Ultimate Gohan> Buuccolo>Super Buu>/=ssj3Gotenks=ssj3 Goku (before kid buu fight)>fat buu>majin vegeta>ssj Gotenks>base gotenks
There you go.
I cannot comprehend why you could even suggest that Kid Buu is the strongest version of Buu. It is not true for one reason: Goku and Vegeta lose against Super Buu while Goku is on par with Kid Buu. He loses against Kid Buu because of Kid Buu's regenerative abilities. Goku after the fusion had no rest, no zenkai boost, no training of any sort nor did he receive a buff of any kind which means that Goku when he fights Kid Buu is at the same level as when he states Super Buu would kill Vegeta and him both. Daima didn't change that as one year passed between its events and the Buu saga. Gohan likely didn't train at all while Vegeta and Goku probably spar regularly and train hard which would put them above Gohan during Daima. It's also likely that since Gohan doesn't appear in Daima, the narrator just doesn't count him as a fighter at this point which would be substantiated by my previous statement. Furthermore, no event in DBS retcons Buu saga scaling in any way, shape, or form. I truly hope you can reflect on your awful take and actually start to think because even in a narrative sense it doesn't make sense. oh and before you try to argue that the fusion made them stronger after they've unfused, they would have stated it.
I do have to thank you for one thing though. I didn't know someone could have a take so stupid it'd make me actually mad.
Don't worry bro 90% of true DBZ fans agree with you. Btw Geekdom and Seththeprogrammer agree with you too.
So I'm not going to watch this video. I was however curious to see if the thumbnail was just clickbait so I checked the comments. I see now from what you're saying that the guy was 100% serious so I'm going to see myself out. Thanks for this comment
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I mean, i saw a video of Kid Goku beyond tiering system
Based in comments i’m sure enough that it was serious as they were trying to make fun of other power scalers.
Every take in the thumbnail is just wrong
Rage bait
@@BayNals bet you couldn't defend this take
@obamawasreal0264 goku was terrified of the idea of fighting buuhan he was confident that he could beat kid buu, how do you explain that exactly? kid buu is only more dangerous because he's mindless and if you wanna bring up goku saying his power is increasing when he started transforming to kid buu, that was talking about the buff super buu form not kid buu and we know this because after he fully transformed they got confident that they could beat him again intel he decided to just say fuck the battle and blow up the earth. There's no way that kid buu is stronger then the version of himself with high universal feats (buuhan) if he was that strong don't you think he would have done more then just destroy a galaxy over a long period of time?
@jackdemerritt5189 because he wasn't terrified and when he was inside buu was tiny and 1/100th of his full power + Goku got stronger as the arc lol + the anime states at least half a dozen times that kid buu was the most powerful buu on top of being the most dangerous
Ssj3 goku isn’t even near ssj vegito nevermind ssj2 vegito and maybe even 3 cuz fusion is goku x vegeta not goku x 400
Why is non cannon filler being used as evidence ?
Bc this guy's a noob
Geekdom, Clyde and Seththeprogrammer are all legit
Anything that happens in the anime is canon
@@mrheebee_jeebees2432fillers aren't
@@ОлександрШишкін-м5р they literally are canon to the anime and there's nothing stating otherwise
2 minutes into the video.
Goku as a SSJ has a power level of 3,000 (using Buu saga power levels which are different than the Saiyan/Frieza saga)
Dabura clearly says that he would beat with confidence anyone with a power level of 4,000
So saying base Goku is above Dabura is already crazy (using the well known x50 boost, Goku in base would be 60 pl).
il'll continue the video now.
I agree with you on your calculation
but the device says Goku has a reading of 3,000 Kilis, in the anime, says that 300 Kilis is enough to destroy a planet.
300 x 10 = 3000 ok so Goku SSJ1 = 10 planet ?
just as a reminder Akira Toriyama said that you need a power level of 10,000 to destroy a planet
Oozaru Vegeta (base×10) 180 000 PL = 18 planet
do you think (Saiyan Saga Vegeta) is stronger than (Buu Saga Goku) ?
In addition, in the anime/Manga we clearly see that the energy detector is at maximum and cannot go higher, so we can say that Goku is stronger but the detector cannot read it.
@@Lost_SoNy we can't be sure how kilis actually work, they are probably not linear and are actually exponential
Just as an example, let's pretend it takes 1 kili to blow up a planet, and then 2 kili is obviously double of 1 so you would expect it to blow up 2 planets, but if it works exponentially, it could blow up 6 planets (just chose a random number), then a kili of 4 could blow up not 12 planets, but 72 planets (just chose a random number again)
I hope that makes sense?
if base goku was stronger than dabura, why did he go ss2 to beat yakon
Personally, I feel like manga-wise, the highest we could ever get Kid Buu is above Super Buu, but that requires us to think Super Buu self reported on himself when making his strongest declarations after absorption for being the strongest Majin
even then this is requiring us to throw a lot of numbers out the window and to focus on statements made, and retroactive interpretations, such as Goku's performance against Fat Buu being fraudulent
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Cell Saga -> Otherworld Saga wise, I think the only reason Base Goku being as strong as Super Perfect Cell while needing SS2 to surpass his sons rage power was allowed to occur is due to the fact that scaling in the manga after Gohan goes SS2 compared to Cell gets wonky without Modern Z/DBS-anime content to emphasize the power gap, such as Revival of F Gohan STILL being stronger than Piccolo (in base) even without Super Saiyan being consistently accessible and SS2/Ultimate being off the table XD
Kid buu and majin buu are too different persons trapped in same body.Majin buu personality was created due to grand kai magic.Kid buu is not magin buu stated bu super buu to vegeta.Kid buu is completely different person so those statements literally doesnt apply to him.
@@om9959 super buu would know kid buu, because it was highlighted in the story that super buu remembering his past self was impressive
and fat buu remembers bibidi sealing him up, so i think it's more of a stretch to say super buu isn't aware of kid buu than he does
To say Kid Buu > Buuhan is too imply.
Kid Buu >>>> Super Buu
+ Ultimate Gohan both whom are which stated to be above Super Saiyan Three Goku.
Even if we play devils advocate and assume Kid Buu is holding back. He would literally have to use like 1% of his strength to match SSJ3 Goku.
Furthermore, SSJ3 Goku was confident has was as strong if not stronger than Kid Buu. With him only realising otherwise due to his lack of stamina and Kid Buu's regeneration.
None of which is implied within the series.
@@TomasBregman yeah because it's not implied it's pretty much out there and it's bluntly stated you just love to ignore the half a dozen at least statements of the anime and kai saying he's the strongest buu
@ Hyperboles over common sense now?
We literally have statements of boundless nappa??? Or Frieza is the strongest in the universe??? Or Infinite Power Level God of Destruction Cell???
You're telling me that Kid Buu someone who struggled against SSJ3 Goku is somehow magnitudes above characters that have been showcased to be above SSJ3 Goku?
@@TomasBregman yeah bc ig goku vs buutenks and kid buu laughing and only taking the spirit bomb seriously is also hyperbolic
Diama reconfirms a lot of the contentious Buu saga scaling. Like Goku needed ssj to beat glorio who is a shin level opponent. Finally confirming that goku was stronger than shin in base and arguably proving he didn't get any massive boosts throughout the arc like some kid buu fans claim
Shin is as strong as goku was when he fought cell… which makes sense
Wait how is his base form> if he needs SSJ to beat someone on Shins lvl?
@@Sokhele he was stated to be shin level before they knew his full strength. So base Goku fought the suppressed shin level and then ssj fought the full power
Shin is stated in a official guide to be about equal to SSJ Goku in the cell saga who was fighting Cell at like 50 or 60%. Goku was stated to have only surpassed SSJ 2 kid Gohan after transforming into SSJ 2 himself. So if we're going by the logic that Base Goku is stronger than his SSJ full power self from The cell games, that would mean that SSJ2 Gohan would have to be at least 50x stronger than Goku. Despite SSJ2 always being stated to be a 2x multiplier of SSJ. Sure Gohan has a rage boost but there's literally nothing to suggest he got that absurdly more powerful.
I think base buu saga Goku is probably equal to or above to Android 16 or Imperfect Cell.I think Goku in SSJ 1 could probably destroy most of the Cell saga (Possibly even Super Perfect Cell as Goku thought that Vegeta could defeat Dabura without even knowing Vegeta could even go SSJ2) and he would definitely destroy Shin. But he would need to at least transform.
Well doesn’t Daima take place like a year after Buu’s defeat/some time after the 6 month timeskip? If so, any prior Buu Saga Goku and Vegeta scaling might be irrelevant because they can be as strong as they need to.
Why is a side story/none cannon being used? As context
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Even if we are going off of the manga, it's quite clear that Goku was stronger than Gohan at the end of the Buu Arc and here's why.
In chapter 516 Goku stated that the "Genki Dama" that had his friends and family's genki wouldn't be enough to destroy Kid Buu which is important since Gohan's genki was in it and we all know that when genki is gathered together it gives an exponential burst in power as shown in the Saiyan and Freeza Arcs and those were done by using small amounts of genki from billions of people and animals whereas the genki dama that's gathering genki in the Buu Arc is taking the maximum moment from all life on earth, and yet Goku still didn't think would have done it which is important since in chapter 511 Goku was confident that he was able to have one minute to regain his full strength he be able to destroy Kid Buu, and the reason it never happened was because Goku overestimated how long his living body could maintain SSJ3.
So yeah Goku is stronger than Gohan at the end of the Buu Arc in the manga.
In my opinion Kid Buu is still the strongest Buu. It’s my head cannon and I’m aware that it’s not gonna make sense. But hear me out Kid Buu probably had the Perfect Cell treatment remember in the Cell saga when Gohan literally punched Android 18 out of his body, he explodes Goku and himself, comes back even stronger, obtaining not only all the power he had absorbing both 17 and 18, but having his body being able to evolve beyond his limits on his own.Because we’re talking about a being who has fought multiple Kai’s on his own with his regular form, absorbs them, turns into the FatBuu, gets sealed away for thousands of years, gets stronger when he returns, fights a bunch of strong warriors, absorbs half of them, lose his absorb forms, and his body comes back stronger than ever in his original form while being able to keep the same power he had when he absorb them. But the only thing he lacks was their intelligence
Goku whilst inside Buu’s body literally told Vegeta that even if they fought together, they stood no chance against Super Buu without the Potara.
Mere moments later, he and Vegeta are playing rock paper scissors to see who gets to fight Kid Buu.
C’mon man, enough with the willful ignorance, Kid Buu is the second weakest version of Buu with Mr Buu (Fat Buu after separating in 2) being the weakest.
@@yaelvip9789the same goku outright stated that kid buu is far beyond him later and kid was hiding his power and stated he should have fused and kid was stronger than buu goku ever witnessed stated by goku himself.
@@om9959 Goku stated that he underestimated Kid Buu’s stamina and overestimated his own in ssj3 with a mortal body. He literally told Vegeta that he could have finished Kid Buu off if he simply went all out at the beginning, but instead he took his time to give Vegeta a turn, which ended up burning all his ki in Ssj3.
The simple fact that he was going toe to toe with Kid Buu is proof enough, this isn’t Super scaling where the characters would get nonsensical power ups from one scene to another 🤷♂️
@@yaelvip9789there was never any scenario where Goku would have beat kid buu without the Spirit bomb, even guide's state that was the only available way of defeating him, kid buu was holding back that entire fight, he also has countless statements supporting him being the strongest buu
@ Agreed, even as a super saiyan 3 and going full power from the get go, Goku was never going to defeat Kid Buu. However, the fact that he even thought he could, means Kid Buu was around the same level of power as he was, Goku just massively underestimated his stamina and regeneration capabilities.
Super Buu on the other hand would’ve curb-stomped ssj3 Goku and ssj2 Vegeta simultaneously (Goku was fully aware of this), and don’t even get me started on Buuhan.
Those “statements” are either mistranslations in the dub or simply standard Japanese hyperbole taken from the anime (at no point does the manga say Kid Buu is the strongest). Kid Buu being the strongest Buu makes 0 sense from a storytelling and powerscaling stand point.
C’mon dude, use some common sense.
There's literally no evidence to suggest Gohan is more powerful than Piccolo in his base form.
Besides the statements you mean right
@@SaiyanPodcastThat statement could also suggest that Babadi can sense their hidden strength (SSJ and SSJ2) As well as the fact that Babadi thought fodder trash like Pui Pui could pose a threat to the base versions of them.
Also this guy really said Goku could beat Super Perfect Cell in base form. Cell at the very least is half of the strength of SSJ 2 Gohan when he was a kid (Super Perfect Cell most likely around like %80 Gohan's full power since Gohan at half strength needed literally everyone's help and was having Goku's energy shared with him.)
Goku was stated to have only surpassed that version of Gohan after he goes SSJ2. So how is base Goku stronger than Cell but needs to go SSJ2 to surpass a Gohan who if we're really highballing him is only about twice as strong. So automatically this video is unreliable and invalid.
You are 100% right none of the Saian base forms are stronger than any of the other Z fighters. This is why they all need to transform when they take on a threat. The only time they don’t transform as well whoever they are versus is basically fodder. This was she seen and shown specifically and explicitly with Vegeta versus the weak Majin.
All evidence points to Goku being the strongest in the universe. We also have a very powerful quote from the great Akira Toriyama for his untimely demise.
When I asked who he believe was the strongest, in an interview he said between Goku’s and Gohan, I think Goku is the strongest the most pure hearted fighter is the strongest, I think.
Bantu plays Goku weaker than SSJ III Gotenks. Are literally stating the opposite of what the author Akira Toriyama stated. Which is Goku strongest. We now have dragon ball dimer referencing that Goku is the strongest. So you’re 100% right and many fans who state the opposite or an opposition of the original contact creator and authors statements. As well as the evidence in both among and the enemy. Any fan stating that the anime is different from the manga is complete utter erroneous. The reason being is because the previous two arcs both in manga and anime form are reflective of each other perfectly. The contention comes within the third art because there are fans who wish to disagree with us and wish to place Goku as weak when he is genuinely strong because that is not the reality they wish to accept.
@@Luke21-xk7uh Not likely given how surprised they were when they seen it. It’s more so head canon to assume they could sense Ssj or something like that
@@jordanglasper1064 Goku was still weaker than ultimate Gohan at the end of the buu saga.
Unlike the fake fanmade statement of Gohan being the strongest unfused fighter, Goku has several statements of being the strongest.
SSJ3 Goku is at best as strong as pre-time chamber SSJ1 Gotenks. Whereas Ultimate Gohan was twice as strong as post-time chamber SSJ3 Gotenks.
@ Provide proof for these claims.
When earth blows up, vegeta says why goku didn't save gohan because he was the only one who could've beat Kid buu. And before you say that goku beat kid buu, NO, it was a spirit bomb.
@@abhinavk0929
1- Vegeta doesn’t specifically mention Gohans power being needed. He only says you saved them over your own sons. He’s angry that Goku didn’t save his own children lives. Also Vegeta never ever says “ Gohan is the only one who could have beat Kid Buu”. Show me proof of this being said anywhere in manga or anime.
2- Spirit Bomb is a technique used by Goku. It’s part of his arsenal.
@arsenewenger4847 Regardless Goku himself stated that Super Buu alone could destroy him and Vegeta. Super Buu was getting demolished by Ultimate Gohan, enough said.
4:18 Vegito is king
EZ
how is goku above the two boys? They were whopping on super buu
mr. buu is def above ssj2 vegeta, kid buu had 0 difficulty with vegeta while mr. buu was winning some exchanges wth kid buu
Mr buu never got a upper hand on kid buu
Kid buu was overwhelming him the whole time the only reason mr buu got hits in was because kid buu was holding back buu even said himself he cant win.
@@Noone-xf9uu mr. buu did, there were various exchanges where mr. buu straight up won against kid buu. ssj2 vegeta landed a total of 2 clean shots on kid buu in his 2 fights with kid buu lmaoo
@@cheezywheezy5568 kid buu was playing around with mr buu.
Evident by that weird tsk tsk he did while moving his finger.
@@Noone-xf9uu kid buu had the edge but there are several moments where mr. buu put in work. he vaporized half of kid buu, he put in a 20 hit combo on kid buu, he blasted a hole straight in kid buu's mouth, he made 4 clones and jumped kid buu for a min straight, etc.vegeta never even touched kid buu so mr. buu >> ssj2 majin vegeta
@@cheezywheezy5568 again kid buu was holding back against mr buu.
Though I can see where your coming from
I KNOW that thumbnail got people raging XD
Paikuhan isn't canon and neither is filler HFIL!
Yo my man can you do me a favour I would love if you made a video where you powerscale the humans by the end of each series like z, super ect and you tell use how far they would make it if they had to fight every villain up until then in that series please.
ill take it down in my notes
Thanks you the man
Yes because is krillin frieza level or post cell early buu ya feel me ?
Gohan is the strongest nonfused character. Super buu is stronger than Kid buu.
Goku beat a clone of gohan the same strength as him 💀 kid buu is the strongest buu
@@antyoung24 This is stated nowhere by the way. It’s a fanmade statement. Whereas, Goku actually has canon statements of being the strongest fighter.
Filler @@ElCucuy2031
@@ElCucuy2031The fact filler is being used to justify feats is actually insane.
@@ElCucuy2031 so why goku did goku shit his pants at the thought of fighting super buu? But was uber confident he could beat kid buu? Come on use your common sense
3:41 Where is the source for this? I can believe it since they both have very high potential but I had never heard that before
Literally everything on the thumbnail is inaccurate... Vegeta was drawn to be ss2 clearly by toriyama himself... Ss3 goku put up a good fight with kid buu b4 losing tons of energy because of ss3.. vegito base is above ss3 goku stated.. and kid buu cant be above the super version of himself.. im mean come on .. his name is SUPER buu for pete sakes.. ok now im going to watch the video and see if i eat my own words LMAO
"Goku ssj 3 got zenkai boost after infused with Vegeta so he is stronger than super vegito 🗣️🗣️"
(Cre:trust me bro)
One thing: If we’re using their fights against the others whenever they were inside of Buu to determine that Goku is stronger than Gohan, then Vegeta would have to be as well; given that Goku was fighting Gohan in only his SSJ form, and the only thing that really gave him the edge over Vegeta before was SSJ3, with there being nothing to really indicate that had changed afterwards. Even if Goku had surpassed Vegeta in SSJ2 as well, it was still only SSJ Goku fighting Gohan, and there’s nothing to suggest that the difference between SSJ Goku and Vegeta would’ve been as great as a whole SSJ transformation.
2:25 WRONGGGGG. Piccolo was NOT doing better than Vegeta and Trunks...Cell LITERALLY says to Gohan that the ONLY two Z fighters that are not dying are VEGETA & TRUNKS.
Bc author thinks, that fillers are canon (but they aren't)
I've been sayin this for years tht Goku & Kid Buu were the 2 strongest unfused characters in tht saga......& i told ppl Goku had a Zenkai Boost due to him comin bac from the dead & unfusing wit Vegeta which put him on Kid Buus level.....thts why they were equals
I feel like we need a "new everyone is here" tier list
The Buu saga is wierd scaling wise.
1. Gohan was only a SSJ vs Dabura not a SSJ2.
2. Vegeta had SSJ2 pre Majin he gained it during the 7 year timeskip.
3. I don't believe Goten and Kid Trunks are that strong as in Yo Son Goku and Friends which is canon as Tarble is mentioned in Battle of Gods they struggled with Cado and Abo. Cado and Abo are 1st form frieza level as Tarble had no clue Frieza could transform when he said they were as strong as Frieza.
3. With Grey Boo I always had Fat Buu splitting 60%/40% with Grey Buu getting more power than Good Buu did.
4. The Diazenshuu clearly stated that Gotenks didn't surpass Vegeta until AFTER the time chamber meaning Majin Vegeta>>SSJ Gotenks pre.
5. As for how Goku and Vegeta got so strong at the end of the Buu Saga the Potara was supposed to be permanent, and the explanation for the split back then was the magic inside Buu's body seperated them. This is supported in Daima as Supreme Kai and Kibito are seperated, and stated they let Buu absorb them which seperated them. Since Vegito was forced apart my headcanon is that Vegito's power was split evenly between Goku and Vegeta. That'a why they could beat Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks clones as strong as the original in only SSJ.
6. As for how strong Vegito was one of the old guides said Super Vegito was perhaps as strong as a SSJ4, and he still had SSJ2 and SSJ3.
7. The 3 statements from KabitoKai, Goku and the narrator do put Kid Buu>>Buuhan at least anime-wise.
8. When Buuhan was rushing at Goku who Instant Transmissioned to Vegeta he said " another one has appeared however even if they fuse like the boys they still can't beat me". That would put Vegito>>Buuhan>>Gogeta.
Gohan was ssj2 when he fought dabura and u can deduce that with 2 reason :
-1. Back in the cell games, ssj2 was absolutely required to defeat cell since even ssj grade 4 goku and gohan weren't enough to beat perfect cell alone, now here's the thing it has been stated by goku himself that dabura is around cell lvl and gohan is weaker than his cell game self to the point vegeta said "he was a better fighter as a kid" and goku himself didn't disagree yet this same rusty/out of shape gohan was holding his own against dabura, if u still follow me u now know why there's no way gohan did fight dabura that well only using normal ssj, he was factually using ssj2 otherwise dabura would had neg him.
-2. The hairstyle, ssj gohan has two bangs (one smaller than the other) while he only has one using ssj2 and his hair are spikier, toei just forgot to add the lightning as usual.
@christopher8295 Toryiama drew Gohan as a SSJ vs Dabura, and it wasn't an error as he drew Gohan's SSJ2 form correctly vs Kibito and Goku and Vegeta's SSJ2 forms correctly less than 2 chapters apart. Diazenshuu #7 says the only time Buu saga gohan used SSJ2 was against Kibito. Goku was dead when Cell returned as Super Perfect Cell, so he's referring to Full power Perfect Cell when comparing him Dabura as it's the last form he saw before he died. When Vegeta says he could beat Dabura Gohan later agreed and Goku doesn't disagree yet they don't know Vegeta has SSJ2 at that point, so basically they are saying SSJ pre Majin Vegeta>>Dabura. After Dabura leaves to tell Babidi about Vegeta Gohan says " Vegeta's right if he fought Dabura he'd have killed him, and Krillin and Piccolo would be back to normal". It's obvious Dabura was massively holding back vs SSJ Gohan as later Babidi asks if Dabura is sure he can beat him, and Dabura says of course Gohan is trash that he can beat any time he wants.
Also Super doesn't prove anything regarding Gohan as Future Dabura>>Present Dabura which is why Future Trunks needed SSJ2 while Buu Saga Gohan was only a SSJ.
1 Gohan was in SSJ2. Goku clearly said, that Gohan could've easily defeat Dabura, if he got angry, which wouldn't make sense, if Gohan wasn't in SSJ2
3 Goten and Trunks's pls are inconsistent. At the beginning of the Buu saga Goten was stated to be equal to SSJ Gohan, who's equal to CG self (he was weaker in SSJ2 due to not having rage boost)
4 Gotenks in SSJ should be clearly stronger, than Majin Vegeta, bc gap between Gohan and Vegeta wasn't that big. On top of that, base Gotenks was much stronger, than SSJ Goten and Trunks and he had 50x, so there's no way, that SSJ Gotenks pre ROSAT couldn't surpass Majin Vegeta.
5 Goku and Vegeta fighting with clones of their sons and Piccolo isn't canon. And why did Goku fear to fight Super Buu, when these two were in Buu's body or even after they free everyone?
6 I don't think it's a good idea to bring GT here.
7 it was never stated in the manga and anime (outside of fillers), that Kid Buu is the strongest out of all Buu's
@@ОлександрШишкін-м5р 1. Goku is talking about Gohan's Rage boost. Gohan got a 1,307x rage boost vs Raditz, Gohan got a rage boost on top of SSJ2 vs Cell, that why Cell Games Teen Gohan had a boost way higher than 2X, and Vegeta got a rage boost in Battle of Gods that made Vegeta's SSJ2>>>>>>>>Goku's SSJ3. Toryiama drew Gohan clearly as a SSJ vs Dabura while drawing Gohan clearly as a SSJ2 vs Kibito, and drew Goku and Majin Vegeta clearly as SSJ2 all withing 2 chapters. That means drawing Gohan as a SSJ vs Dabura WAS NOT a mistake. Goku was dead when Cell returned as Super Perfect Cell therefore Goku doesn't know how strong he was, and was talking about Full power perfect Cell when comparing him to Dabura. Dabura called Gohan trash he can beat at any time during the 2nd fight at Buu's Ball. Vegeta said he could beat Dabura, Goku doesn't disagree, Gohan says "Vegeta is right he would've killed Dabura, and Piccolo and Krillin would be fine", and they didn't know Vegeta had SSJ2 at the time meaning SSJ Vegeta pre Majin>>>Dabura>>SSJ Gohan.
@@ОлександрШишкін-м5р 3. Vegeta satetd 3 times Gohan was much weaker than when he fought Cell, and Goku said Gohan was weaker. They are talking overall not just SSJ2. Base and SSJ Cell games Teen Gohan>>>>>>Buu Saga Adult Gohan.
[Some points in buu saga scaling is off for real for me]
1. Fusion multiply is off, for examples
+ goten and trunk was stated that they are not soo far distance in power compare to gohan, and gohan is not soo far compare vegeta and goku (stated by vegeta himself about goku SSJ2 is surpasses gohan SSJ2 went against cell, and gohan after 7 years is weaker but not soo much significant)
So we have:
Goku = 10
Vegeta = 9
Gohan = 7
Goten/trunk = 3
And let just use standard fusion multiply as: (A + B) x50
And goku SSJ3 is x400 meaning 10 x400 = 4,000
Gotenk: (3 + 3) x50 = 300
SSJ gotenk = 300 x 50 = 15,000
Goten/trunk (after HTC) = 6
Gotenk (after HTC) = 600
Gotenk (SSJ) = 30,000
Gotenk (SSJ3) = 240,000
And majin buu is weaker than SSJ3 goku, meaning he is around 2,500
And later get separate into 2 different beings, meaning evil buu is 1,400 and good buu is 1,100 (because evil buu is significant stronger than good buu)
And super buu is little bit weaker than post HTC SSJ3 gotenk
And gotenk is 240,000, meaning super buu would be ~ 200,000
=basically getting x80 times stronger?
And mystic gohan is stronger than gotenk, make hin asleast 280,000! (And because his potential unleashed state that is stated to be stronger than SSJ3, and SSJ3 is x400 = mystic form of gohan would as very least x500), would mean gohan PL will be as 560
BC: 560 × 500 = 280,000 (also x80 stronger than his original pl in beginning of buu arc?)!
And buutenk is super buu absorbed gotenk and piccolo, make him as
"240,000 + 200,000 + piccolo = 440,000" !
And buuhan is stronger!
"200,000 + 280,000 = 480,000"
And main issue is vegito!
Like before, goku = 10 and vegeta = 9
Doing fusion potara, make them as (10 + 9) x50 = 950
Meaning SSJ vegito is 950 x 50 = 47,500
LIKE HOW IS IT POSSIBLE ???
*WENT IN THE MANGA: VEGITO IN SSJ COULD EASILY BULLIED BUUHAN
*AND IN ANIME: VEGITO DID IT IN BASE ??????
And even if the fusion multiply is A x B, the outcome is still the same, how can the distance between vegito and gotenk is that large
Went many scans and statement in boths manga and anime, was shown that goten and trunk, specially gotenk is that strong!?
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after that, I see in some places that peoples is telling me that after fusion, boths goku and vegeta is absorbed half of vegito power into themselves! LIKE HOW????
the scene in anime went inside buu body, goku and vegeta in SSJ could solos boths SSJ3 gotenk, mystic gohan and piccolo, and they're actually winning, LIKE HOW?????
SO IN ANIME, VEGITO WAS BEATING BUUHAN (EASILY), MAKE HIM WOULD BE ASLEAST X1,5 STRONGER THAN BUU
= VEGITO is as 760,000
VEGITO IN SSJ = 38,000,000
AS TOTAL 800 TIMES STRONGER THAN HIS ACTUAL (ACTUAL) PL IS SUPPORT TO BE 950!
And by x800, meaning goku and vegeta will be
Goku x800 = 8,000
Goku SSJ = 400,000
Goku SSJ2 = 800,000
Goku SSJ3 = 3,200,000
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Vegeta x800 = 7,200
Vegeta SSJ = 360,000
Vegeta SSJ2 = 720,000
+and by half vegito power!
Meaning!
Vegeta = 380,000
+SSJ = 19,000,000
+SSJ2 = 38,000,000
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Goku = 380,000
+SSJ3 = 152,000,000
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Did that mean kid buu is 150,000,000 (compare to 480,000 of buuhan, like how 😅?)
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And finally, kid buu by statement in anime is the most strongest buu, and he is relevantly equal to SSJ3 goku (AFTER FUSION), WOULD MEAN HIM AS VERY LEAST = 3,000,000
LIKE FOR REAL?????!!!!!!
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SO IN TOTAL
1. goten/trunk = 6
2. Gotenk = 600
3. Gotenk (SSJ3) = 240,000
4. Mystic gohan = 280,000
5. Buutenk ~> 440,000
6. Buuhan ~> 480,000
7. Vegeta (SSJ2)(after fusion) = 720,000
8. Goku (SSJ3)(after fusion) = 3,200,000
9. Kid buu = 3,000,000
10. Super vegito = 38,000,000
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Yeah, in conclusion, buu saga scaling is absurdly broken!
[Sorry, this is really long comment 😅]
And dude, using ova scenes + statements is not a right thing to scale DBZ main canon tho 😅 (like really)
1. Pikkon one-shot super perfect cell while suppressed
Like how many time you have seen characters with high multiply tranformation forms get one shot in the show? Or those who is support to be way stronger than others, is possibly get one shot by lower PL characters?
For examples
1. Krilin would had one shot nappa in saiyan saga if vegeta wasn't warned him
2. Frieza in the same in namek arc if he not dodge krilin kienzan in his second form
3. Or granola clone (is obviously way weaker than MUI) was one shot goku, did that same clone one shot MUI goku,...
So basically
Pikkon was one shot cell went he DIDN'T USING HIS FP ACTUAL POWER! and pikkon was used his flame aura, the same aura went he fight serious with SSJ goku later on, meaning that pikkon was serious and actual goes all out went against cell!
So yeah, saying base goku could one shot super perfect cell, by saying he could damaged pikkon while wearing heavy weighted cloth, the same sloth he wearing against cell (went cell is not as FP) is stupid (I mean IT)
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And for gohan statement in movie 10 for buu saga, really?
Quite sad to tell but, movies is not canon to the main stories
+gohan in movie 10 is actually serious training for 7 years
+but gohan in beginning of buu saga is only training to staying in shape, he mostly only learning for school
So using movie 10 statement to scale gohan in main story line to think that same school boy gohan (in beginning of buu arc) could one shot super perfect cell is ridiculous
So yeah, nope 🙅♂️
Who did say, that Goku and Vegeta absorbed half of Vegito's power? + It wouldn't make sense, bc Goku feared to fight Super Buu, who's much weaker, than 50% base Vegito. And Goku and Vegeta fighting clones of their sons and Piccolo is filler, so it isn't canon
@@ОлександрШишкін-м5р alots (but sorry, I not remember their name)
But took as a positive way, you can say that those gotenk & piccolo and gohan that vegeta and goku had faces in buu body, was just a bunch of holograms images of themselves
Like you can see in some scenes in anime that they after getting hit, they did getting blurred and later on, get faded away
= so you can say that, they're just holograms version of them with almost no actual fighting capability (like for real, how can someone way weaker than gotenk & gohan like super buu, could possibly able to using 100% power of those of them without absorbs??!)
But yeah, kinda agree! Most fillers in DBZ shouldn't put in scaling soo seriously on actual show power scaling 😅👍
Hold up hold up… they did fight against 18 individually and lost so what’s the explanation? 18 is an android with infinite energy against some kid who can use ssj1 so no I can’t believe that
Kid Buu pure buu strongest buu best buu. Always was always will be. 💪
2 minutes in and you're already very wrong. Base Goku ain't beating Cell or Dabura.
I absolutely, TOTALLY love SSJ3 Goku but there's NO way he is on par with Vegito!😂🤣
Base vegito*^
Each time a saiyen experienced the power in their body their base adapt and get stronger than it .
Shown in Bog,Goku black arc and top in super.
@@om9959then why he couldn't adapt to Raditz after getting oneshoted? Or against Cell? Or against Frieza? And in GB arc and TOP that's bs, bc sayans can't get stronger by just fighting without getting new form, unless your name is Broly
Ngl its wild u think base form gohan(cell saga) is stronger then piccolo (buu saga)
Wait wait. How do u say that goku gained a zenkai and surpassed Gohan, but then earlier u also say the Same goku in the Same context says hes still inferior to Super Buu??
whats the name of your other channel with the monkey
saiyan podcast
Slow down. Why are you speed running this video?
It's pretty damn hard to make sense of the power levels in the manga.
In the anime it's just plain impossible.
Anime filler is so goddam weid bro
Excluding anime fillers and scaling (outside of Goten and Trunks) is not THAT bad
I watched 2:31 of this and you are horrible stop going off your feelings and speak facts at end z Gohan was the strongest z fighter
5:14 buu + piccolo sounds like a crime
There’s no controversy people just made it that way Buuhan was always the strongest Buu kid Buu was just more dangerous cause he doesn’t have a conscious fr vegito wipes the whole verse gohan was stronger then ssj3 goku etc.
kid buu glazing saying kid buu is stronger than buuhan is no different than saying ssj3 goku>buuhan(sounds stupid🤣) when buutenk literally fodder ssj 3 goku(don't bring in zenkai boost when after unfuse with vegeta both are not treated)
It’s not glazing, it’s facts
No, it's glazing. Goku can't get past SSJ Gotenks@@SonZackSSJ9k
@@ОлександрШишкін-м5р Nah, it was stated if Kid Buu beat Goku and Vegeta, the universe is doomed which debunks your argument entirely.
Piccolo was also weary of Gotenks fighting Buu when he knew Goku could destroy him.
@SonZackSSJ9k and how does that prove, that Kid Buu is above any other version of Super Buu? Or SSJ3 Goku above Gotenks and Gohan?
@@ОлександрШишкін-м5р It proves it because Kid Buu > All forms of Buu and Goku has been called the strongest in the universe in the Buu Saga in a LOT of sources.
Remember when cell is in He'll that heavily nerfs him so he wouldn't have been near as powerful as he was in the cell games
I'd put ssj3 gotenks & goku above super buu
Daima already places goku over gohan. The manga already places kid over super. The manga is inconclusive on on buuhan over kid but the anime repeatedly calls kid the strongest. Id day the answer is buuhan>buutenks>kid>buccalo>super>fat
Daima takes place after the buu saga meaning goku had time to train and we know gohan wouldn’t train so it’s more likely that goku (and maybe vegeta) just surpassed him after the training not that he was always stronger then ultimate gohan
@@Turtlesarecool609The same kid buu who pushed a spirit which every single z fighters combined.Spirit bomb by itself stated be strongest energy ever and a krytonite for kid buu.Stronger than fodder buuhan who only absorbed half as much people.Kid buu is a deity with god ki who was sealed away by grand kai absorbtion and cheap personality without god ki took over called super buu.Super buu has nothing to do with kid by stated by superbuu himself other both sharing same body similar too kurama and naruto.
@ kid buu holding off the spirit bomb dose not mean he’s as strong as everyone combined if that were the case then ssj3 goku wouldn’t have been able to keep up with him at all kid buu never over powered the spirit bomb at all he only pushed it harder then base goku with no ki left could as soon as goku got his ki back and the spirit bomb actually made contact buu started to die instantly
@@om9959gohan goten trunks piccolo had just been revived when your revived your energy isn't back to full ki which is why he pushed it back and kid buu didn't have access to that god ki otherwise he would not have lost and if kid buu has god ki shouldn't evil buu have it too? He is the manifestation of kid buu
@ and kid buu having god ki shouldn’t really affect anything considering goku and vegeta were fully able to sense his power so either buu couldn’t use it or it wasn’t enough to make a difference to begin with
"its hard to imagine gotenks beating anyone" lmao shade
8:22 bro pressed the wrong emote button
The same kid buu who pushed a spirit which every single z fighters combined.Spirit bomb by itself stated be strongest energy ever and a krytonite for kid buu.Stronger than fodder buuhan who only absorbed half as much people.Kid buu is a deity with god ki who was sealed away by grand kai absorbtion and cheap personality without god ki took over called super buu.Super buu has nothing to do with kid by stated by superbuu himself other both sharing same body similar too kurama and naruto.
EXATLY
wanna know who else has god ki? this wasted potential ahh kai named shin
A spirit bomb doesn't give you 100% of someone's power. That should be obvious and he died in the end, so did he really push it back?
@@abhinavk0929it actually gives more than 100% energy from simple was able to nearly kill vegeta and freeza.Yes kid buu pushed it back.
@@Earsh💀
U kinda lost me as soon as u mentioned Pikkon a filler character.
And saying Goku can be Cell in base. I'm pretty sure Goku needs at least ssj.
And I'm pretty sure part 1 Gohan would have to go ssj the beat Piccolo too, ssj Gohan was stronger Piccolo in Cell Saga idk where u got base form being stronger.
I can't see 8yr old base Trunks being stronger than the same 18 that humiliated a ssj Vegeta and 18 was clearly holding back in the tournament too not expecting to fight someone as strong as "Mighty Mask"
Just can't comprehend how they can be that strong in base when Gohan and Vegeta, respectively, found out they can go ssj.
Since Buu transformed into Piccolo its safe to say he was the strongest individual of the Trio when the fusion was up going back to 1 of the 1st points how it doesn't make much sense base Gohan in earlier part being stronger than Piccolo.
I do like the part about the possibility of a zenkai boost. Cause that very well possible but the animation could have just been lazy.
Omg there was no gigantic zenkia, goku was just sandbagging the entire buu saga.🙄
Let me set this straight although i domt agree with it the anime made jt clear that Kid boo>Boohan which makes no sense.
I disagree Krillin can fight them in base in every series that have been shown or said
base goku > spc???? nah
remember they needed ssj2 for dabura
You can't put Base Buu Saga Gohan above Dabura considering SPC was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan in Cell Games according to anime.
If anything it would just imply Base Goku>SSJ2 Gohan, if we use filler.
SPC wasn't stronger, than SSJ2 Gohan
@ОлександрШишкін-м5р Yet it was directly stated in anime. What's in show>headcanon.
It could be a short video but a theoretical base vegito vs buuhan full fight could be something worth doing seeing how different it would be or still similar. Or a ssj gohan full power (willing to fight in this scenario unlike canon) vs regular perfect form cell
edit: Also kid buu being the strongest just absolutely sounds outragous considering that would mean an unstated absolutely broken zenkai which i wont even go into considering how it somehow would make them both at the very least on buuhans level which if somehow it was a zenkai would be the biggest zenkai in the series. Also in no world anyone can convince me kid buu is even close to even base vegito. The anime was known for contradictory and hyperbole/hyping up statements constsntly remember when second form frieza was stated capable of destroying the universe!? Now that is definintely hard to belive considering by that logic perfect cell who stated to be solar system level would somehow be weaker than frieza. Anime is very iffy with statements if we take all them at face value. Just my take at least maybe im stupid
Kid Buu was always stronger then Buuhan
How do you know ssj3 goku will win the fusion is not just the power of the two people using it there a mutipliar
Bro kid buu is the strongest buu because goku in super sayin was beating nystic Gohan and super buu got beat easily by gohan. goku ssj1> mystic full power Gohan>> base super buu and kid buu needed ssj3 goku and it was still one sided kid buu was treating goku like trash and people say kid buu is weaker than super buu and he has done better things than buhan and goku in base at the end of the buu saga could beat super buu how mystic Gohan did. So how the rank of power is, Super vegito> Kid buu> base vegito>= ssj3 goku>= mystic Gohan> vegta >= gotanks> piccolo> earthlings the correct way of how you showld power scale
You’re just wrong, it’s simple, goku and vegeta had to fuse to even hurt buuhan, while goku in ssj3 could be somewhat on par/a little weaker than kid buu. If you disagree then your saying that ssj3 goku is on par base vegito, and I think it’s obvious that he’s not.
@@Julian-ud3qqdude do u know goku and vegeta and even in the quite books they universally agreed that kid buu was holding back 💀
@@Julian-ud3qq dude first Goku is no where near kid buu because in the manga he said himself that he is holding back and second Goku at the end of the buu saga is on par with base vegito
SSJ Goku vs Ultimate Gohan was anime filler. The anime and the manga are two different continuities; this is extremely important, especially for the Kid Buu vs Buuhan debate.
@@thanosdevito well no duh the manga and anime are different
Vegeto>buuhan>buutenks>gohan>super buu>kid buu>gotenks>goku>evil buu> good buu> vegeta > dabura>shin
* super buu could be lower
Gotenks should be above Super Buu
6:14 YOU USED THE WRONG SIGN
FOR BUUHAN FANS [Manga 508] I know you can't read but ask your mom
Kaiô Shin (explains that absorptions don't make boo stronger it depends if the person is good or evil)
this boo is a pure incranation of the idea of evil...
yes. he gained a herat bue to the absorbtions, which reduced his power...
That's only implied to Kid Buu, turning to Fat Buu. Or how Gohan couldn't beat Buutenks, who should be weaker, than Super Buu? Or why Goku needed to fuse against Buutenks and Buuhan, if Fat Buu should be stronger, bc he absorbed less people and he could've beat Fat Buu?
@@ОлександрШишкін-м5р That implied to all buu
Or how Gohan couldn't beat Buutenks; but he didn't beat him
why Goku needed to fuse against Buutenks and Buuhan; for the same reason they refused to fuse against the pure version
again you just need to read the story rather than invent it
So your saying ssj3 goku is as strong if not stronger than vegito? That’s a big flaw in your argument but yall kid buu fans aren’t ready for that conversation yet
@@Julian-ud3qq
no I never said that once again you are making things up
when you have learned to read maybe
my argument is based on what is written in the manga unlike you who imagine things that do not exist
Kaiô Shin (explains that absorptions don't make boo stronger it depends if the person is good or evil) Manga 508
this boo is a pure incranation of the idea of evil...
yes. he gained a herat bue to the absorbtions, which reduced his power...
it's not my words against yours it's your words against the manga
If Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan, then why did Goku and Vegeta need to fuse to even stand a chance against Buuhan, while Goku was able to handily deal with Kid Buu? Sure, Goku couldn't kill him because of Buu's bullshit regeneration, but he was able to hold him off pretty well for a while. Was Kid Buu holding back the entire fight or something?
In all reality, the Buu Saga is a poorly-written mess. The Kid Buu vs Buuhan argument only exists because of the gaping plotholes and conflicting statements. There is no answer because the source material contradicts itself.
Is it me or is the thumbnail just ragebait
This is called Toei scaling because it uses filler and anime only statements to scale. Toei just likes to make the power levels as high as possible with barely any regard for the narrative or scaling in the source material. Some guide books use this scaling too. Thats why there are contradictions.
Also Pikon was clearly using some technique when he attacked Cell. Weighted Pikon is not putting super perfect cell down without some power boosting move.
I Think goku/vegeta healed( Fused )
Goku vs Buutenks is Filler juste like the Figth inside Buu those aree FILLER either use one or the other don't use both the material at the same time in the manga goku did't figth Buutenks he was litteraly shiting bricks and the anime Vegeta said either Gotenks or Gohan could handle Kid buu in the manga he did't said it directly he just asked why Goku did't save the kids
Bro, this is the dumbest video, you mention Daima, then use primarily filler and daizenshuu data books (something that has contradictory statements) with no further mention of daima. Also they don't say Kid Buu is the strongest in Japanese but the most dangerous (and he is, Kid Buu can survive the planet blowing up and he's not someone you can reason with.)
I'd be fine with you having your headcanon that I personally don't agree with, but wasting my time with nonsense and not presenting new information on your clickbait video is unforgivable
It’s really not that complicated especially when there are way too many sources calling Kid Buu the strongest and not Buuhan.
@@SonZackSSJ9kand what are those sources? Fillers, that aren't canon?
Daizenshuu didn't really have much contradictory statements (if we're talking about Buu saga (at least, I didn't find it))
@ 1. the Daizennshu.
2. Filler is canon, Toriyama approved it as part of the story unless contradicted by newer material.
@SonZackSSJ9k 1 what Daizenshuu?
2 it isn't, bc it doesn't contradict to the main story. Garlic Jr arc can't be canon, bc that means, that Dead Zone movie is canon, so that means, that Goku's friends already met Gohan. Or Gohan throwing hands to 50% Namek Frieza, which wouldn't make sense, since that means, that Gohan went from being (at best) Frieza's 3rd form victim to being equal to KKx20 Goku, who surpassed Frieza's 3rd form in base
Okay it all depends on what you use if it the anime then kid buu if manga super buu the reason is kid buu in the anime has been to be the strongest of all time that he got weaker when he absorb the Kai’s as she was no longer pure evil if it is the manga then super buu is the strongest as he says he is the strongest of all majin when he absorbed gotanks then he absorbed Gohan then after that he says he is even stronger then any majin of all time that puts both buutanks and buuhan is stronger
SSJ Vegito>>Buuhan>Buutenks>ssj3 Goku(after kid buu fight)>Kid buu>Ultimate Gohan> Buuccolo>Super Buu>/=ssj3Gotenks=ssj3 Goku (before kid buu fight)>fat buu>majin vegeta>ssj Gotenks>base gotenks
The reason why super was more interesting into fighting gohan more than goku was because the story and the narrative was shifting to him and not goku gohan was once again shaping up to be the main character again until Akira toriyama change his mind again and said the role didn't seem to fit gohan cause he doesn't like fighting and it would hard to build a story around person like that and fans might not accept character like that so he scraps the idea mid gohan and superbuu fight
Remember guys kid buu the pure evil being now(because fat buu is the good part is out) was able to hold back universal spirit bomb while being weakened it only took like the positive energy of the whole universe and rejuvenate amped up zenkai super saiyan goku to put him down with the move specifically made for this moment. Akira story telling makes sense when ur not tryna dissect random head cannons and multiple times false/redacted disengu statements
In episode 8 of dragon ball Daima dr.arinsu and Marba is seeminng creating a new version of majin buu and we see the order of buu transformations good buu, evil buu, super buu, than lastly kid this could be hinting to the strength of forms but this is purely speculation it could mean nothing at all 🤷🏽
It could be the order they appear in the show
It's just the chronological order that they appear.
In the manga, Goku was only stronger than Fat Buu. But in the anime, he spent the entire arc pretending to be weak so that the younger generation could handle it themselves. Although in anime Goku could beat Buuhan in Super Saiyan 2. Because in the battle with the kid Buu, Goku, who has seen all versions of Buu and Buuhan too, says that the kid Buu is on a completely different level, compared to the previous versions of Buu. And with this Buu, Goku fights in SSJ2, and they power is the same, which means that Goku stronger than Buuhan.
Fillers aren't canon
Gohan was already Blue tier in this saga, so Buuhan is far above Kid Buu who is a little below Ssj 3 Goku.
Gotta watch your arrows my guy. Arrow points towards the lesser of weaker entity, not the one you prefer.
I know you're trying to explain and use the Anime version of Dragon Ball z but I just got to talk about a few of these problems.
Majin Vegeta stated when Goku transforms into SSJ2, that he was stronger then his son was when he fought Cell.
Meaning Goku only surpassed Teen Gohan SSj2 (Amped), who was stronger than Super Perfect Cell, in his Super Saiyan 2 state.
I know you're trying to use the reasoning that Cell was in his Super Perfect Form, but you realised Cell does power down his power. Goku, who was in his Super Sayian grade 4 form when he died, was no longer in his form. Cell also has been seen heavily suppressing himself against Vegeta, Trunks, and Goku, before using his full power against Gohan in his Super Saiyan 2 state.
And we were told multiple times that Dabura was equal to Cell, and might be even slightly stronger due to his magic(We weren’t told if Goku was referring to Super Perfect Cell or Normal Perfect Cell, but I’m going to the latter).
Gohan needed at least Super Sayian to fight Dabura and maybe SSJ2 but it wasn't ever told. And we know Dabura wasn’t giving it his all due to him toying with Gohan to gain power for Buu. We can also say from Goku words, that Gohan wasn’t able to achieve the power greater to Cell, due not training and no rage amp.
SSJ 2 Goku = Majin Vegeta > SS2 Vegeta > SS2 Teen Gohan >= Super Perfect Cell > Dabura(Full Power) >= Perfect Cell >= SSJ1-2 Gohan.
SSj3 Goku > Fat Buu >> Majin Vegeta > SS2 Vegeta > SS2 Teen Gohan >= Super Perfect Cell > Dabura(Full Power) >= Perfect Cell >= SSJ1-2 Gohan.
18 was definitely stronger as we see her fight both of them and was still not winning against her. As we know neither Goten and Trunks weren’t stronger, as 18 said she would need to finish this quickly.
Base Vegito > Kid Buu >=< Buuhan > Buutenks > > Mystic Gohan >= SSJ3 Goku (Full Power) >Kid Buu< SSJ3 Gotenks.
It was stated by Grand Kai, that Vegito was stronger than Buuhan in his base form in the anime
Buuhan absorbed Mystic Gohan, who was stronger than Gotenks.
Buutenks defeated Mystic Gohan easily.
And now here comes the problemes: Kid Buu
All I can say is, Kid Buu pushed back the Spirit Bomb that had both the power of earth, AND every Z Fighter! Meaning Mystic Gohan power was also in the Bomb.
If you don’t count that against Kid Buu’s power, then he’s stronger than Gotenks but weaker than Full Power SSJ3 Goku.
Why do I say Goku’s stronger? Because he never truly went all out in this whole saga due to needing time to charge his power and taking too much damage early in the fight.
Goku while in his Super Saiyan 2 state in the anime that kid Buu was twice as strong as before, then would later get a times 4 boost because of Super Saiyan 3, and they were still equal.
Now onto the big three’s power levels:
Gotenks was said to be equal to Super Boo, and Gohan could defeat a supposedly double in power Gotenks.
Goku, THROUGHOUT THE WHO ENTIRE SAGA, didn’t want to be the one to A. Defeat the Main Villain and B. Didn’t want to make Vegeta feel bad about being surpassed.
Hence why he chose to let Gohan take the league and was only truly afraid of fighting Buutenks but wasn’t all too scared of Kid Buu.
Goku stated on both occasions that he could have killed Fat Buu back on earth and could have killed Kid Buu at Full Power, but didn’t because he wanted the Younger Generation to have a chance and that he wanted to make it fair for Vegeta to have a chance. Only reason he could was because he was running on fumes from fighting Kid Buu earlier and the SSJ3 power drain.
Noice
The same kid buu who pushed a spirit which every single z fighters combined.Spirit bomb by itself stated be strongest energy ever and a krytonite for kid buu.Stronger than fodder buuhan who only absorbed half as much people.Kid buu is a deity with god ki who was sealed away by grand kai absorbtion and cheap personality without god ki took over called super buu.Super buu has nothing to do with kid by stated by superbuu himself other both sharing same body similar too kurama and naruto.
He never stated he literally debunk his own statement stated that he should have fused against kid buu.
GENKI isn't KI directly Mystic Gohan gave he's Genki not he's KI and vegeta said either Gohan or Gotenks could kill kid buu in what world does Kid buu getting a bunch of hax and power from other character makes him weaker he was supressed by the Daikaioshin nothing els Goku was fcking scared of Super buu but for some reason he gain so much power up that he goes from Fat Buu to Buuhan since for you Kid Buu=Buuhan does that make sens to you ????? Kid Buu is arround Fat Buu Tier but unlike Fat Buu he's not Supressed !! and SS3 Goku is Above Kid Buu he said it Himself if he had a minute to gather KI he could kill Kid Buu since he has a mortal bodie he could't do it since SS3 consume to much energie to begin with the only reason Kid Buu survived SS3 goku was he's Bronken Regen ability they were't equal at all.........
@@tonygrace565 There's kinda no reason to think Goku was only talking about Regular Perfect Cell.
If vegeta can beat gotenks and gotenks is comparable to super buu does that mean ssj2 vegeta beats super buu at the end of the saga
Kid buu > buuhan. Akira literally supports this in multiple interviews, guide books and it was blatantly stated in the anime.