I'm confused. I mained Fiona for years, played the tech demo on keyboard and mouse, it's literally identical. The speed, the combos, everything is 1:1. It's basically a reskin in a new UE5 coat.
@@luckynko24Biggest difference is that it’ll be an offline single player experience that will be free of MMO-like or P2W progression systems. No stamina system so you can spam all the skills and dodges you want, no daily limits on anything so you can play as much as you want. Weapon probably won’t blow up from enhancements in this game like they do in the OG. Also console release for people with bad PCs. It’s almost too good to be true. I guess the only downside of being a single player standalone game is that these games tend not to get as many content updates as their online F2P counterparts. So I’m hoping they really throw in all or the most popular characters into the game before releasing it.
The developers of Bless Online published Lies of Pi The developers of Black Desert will make Crimson Desert a singleplayer game And now Vindictus 2 Seems like there is a trend now that Korean game developers don't rely on MMOs only and I cant blame them: the MMO market is way too overcrowded
WAIT. Lies of P was made by the BLESS DEVS? Fuck me that game was horrible and they made a masterpiece like that? Yeah, then Vindictus might really turn out great when it comes out.
@@dantereinhardt6911 ok, i did a look at the wiki page they did not just publish it they made it with the help of Round8 Studio. I am happy for them that the game turned out great and sold 1 Million units
MMO are a big gamble they can make more money than a single player game ever could. but also if it has a bad initial reception it can kill it just because nobody wants to hop in an MMO with no players. while for a single player game if you think is cool is all that matters.
MMO market is overcrowded with complete garbage MMO's tbh, how come the best MMO still to this day is Classic WoW made in 2004..... Plenty of people I know are looking for a good new MMO that isn't a pay to win korean joke.
MMO market overcrowded?! Around 2008-2012 there were literally some kind of MMO releasing every single week. Sure mostly they were the generic f2p copy-paste korean/chinese MMO, but every now and then a few of them were actually decent and had OK playerbase for years. I could barely keep up with MMOHuts videos. I'd say the issue is how gaming and playerbase changed. Many people say they want the old MMO experience, but when they get it they complain about how slow and grindy it is (me included). Modern (AAA) MMOs are just a fast burning cash grab, coming in hot and becoming insignificant quickly because people find they have nothing to do within weeks. It's hard or maybe even impossible to create a new MMO that has a good balance.
They are planning on adding multiplayer at later beta testing. Source: Steam news FAQ. Feb 28 Q. Is it a single-player game? A: Only single-player mode is available in the pre-alpha test. The dev team is planning to add multi-player mode in addition to the single-player mode which will be the main play mode in the launch version.
Reminds me a lot of Vindictus at its launch. Was far harder in its early days. Bosses would kill you in 3 hits. Was still fast but you had to pay attention. All that changed later. I came back to it a couple years later and was shocked how easy it became
I played a lot when the game first came out and took breaks every now and then. At one point they made the first 60 some levels a walk in the park so new players and new characters can solo the majority of the game to the newer content. Then i stopped playing since then and i dunno what happened after 😅
Well it's a rather standard practice during a MMO life cycle. Old content is simplified and streamlined so new players can catch up more easely, and old players are less hesitant to reroll (which opens up the opportunity to sell you new outfits and characters upgrades like inventory space in some games for example). As new content often implies a huge power creep, a lot of gear is offered during levelling to make it easier when you are introduced to the new content. And so the old content is simply reduced to a simple joke. Repeat this cycle a few times, and nothing is left from the original game. You're just teleported right into high level content a few hours after creating your first character.
many people tend to forget that the games also felt harder because of hardware+internet.... also games tend to become "easy" because they are dying... imagine having still the same requirement from early 2000s on grind needed to achieve something... the "kids" from back then are adults now and dont want to waste the same amount of time on a game or got used to faster pacing
@@SSGoatanks I don't see what being co-op has to do with limiting profit. I think being limited to one platform is the operable factor in play here. Do you think only console players play co-op or something?
@@SSGoatanks It depends, Vindictus' playerbase has always been PC focused. You need to spend a lot of time and money to port something from PC to console and vice versa. Would it be worth it for them to spent thousands upon thousands just to get 1000 more players? Not really. Its not profit if they spend more on porting the game than they'd get from console players
It's going to be shit like the first one. All vindictus is a short obstacle that you ran through killing things and you were done in just seconds... Not a true game at all and reason why no one played and quit.
I tried it and I was pleasantly surprised. I played the original Vindictus, but mostly Hurk. I did play Fiona, but it felt different from what I remembered. It clicked for me when I was fighting the Gnoll Chieftain. I figured out the timing on the block, and because the counter is so quick, when you figure out all the gaps in the bosses attacks, their patterns, and timings, playing Fiona felt like playing Sekiro. And that was a feeling that I sorely missed. You can of course, play it safe and just roll around, but if you make use of that block counter, Fiona is really interactive and fun.
I love how the combat looks actually, I hated most of the changes to combat they did back in 2014? 2015? Around that time anyways. This game reminds me of the early years of Vindictus, punting gnolls all over the place and you can even jump again! The only thing that seems to be missing is grappling and throwing environmental objects around. Even the red gnoll boss looks the same, but in better graphics. Now add coop back in and I'll die of exitement
Jumping was practically useless, but just added to the things you could do when you were just kicking it with the homies 😂😂
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Co-op was confirmed in the FAQ section for the developers discord server. However we don't know if it will be possible to co-op from the beginning of the game yet.
@@muskaman2k I remmember downloading random MMO's back in the early 00s and uninstalling directly if they didnt bother adding jumping to the game XD (EU player so we had the jump xD)
Honestly, watched your old Vindictus review yesterday as it popped up in the playlist. Was actually starting to consider trying it out despite the outdated graphics, for the fighting alone
This is probably my dream game. Vindictus Combate with a "Souls like" feel to it. 1:20 - what? Combat is not like Vindictus? This is EXACTLY Vindictus combat. Same combos, animations and characters. Just donwload Vindictus and play Lann or Fiona. Maybe not the same ENEMY combat, but that's for the better 4:00 - I played with keyboard and mouse. Dunno what the problem was, but worked fine in mine.
@@TheLazyPeon It is a literal import of Fiona and Lann. There is no diference in character combos and skills. Now audio for example sucks atm. But its alpha. I expect some polish in next tests
@@TheLazyPeon yeah, the controls are different cuz of the medium switch from keyboard and mouse to control, but the overall flow is exactly the same. fiona felt clunky to you cuz she's a slower shield character, that's why lann felt way better. as you played through, you figured out the combos: light heavy/light light heavy/light light light heavy/light light light light heavy--which translates to LR LLR LLLR LLLLR from vindi 1
The game is very much still Vindictus, gameplay doesn't feel anything like dark souls outside of the bonfire thingy. So far it is the same thing Vindictus has been known for. We don't really know anything about its MMO aspect outside of what the play test is offering which is just a single player experience for now. They have stated they will bring multiplayer later down the line.
He did lol, no wonder he felt like Lann was way better when he ignored the main mechanic of Fiona. Meanwhile for the fastest boss clear competition they had for a special role on their discord, they had to edit the rules to separate Lann and Fiona rankings since Fiona utterly dominated all the bosses lmao
Don't know what happened to your controls, but for me it was exactly the same controls as Vindictus 1 for KBM. Fiona and Lann also have the exact same movesets. They just don't have any of their late game skills or alternate weapons.
@@SSGoatanks Tbh i would not mind paying if it gives me the old days of vindictus ( i started in 2011 ) , loved farming lvl 50-60 dungeons on hero difficulty . Then as i played it off and on along the years and as i improved my skill and gear went on to solo raids like regina and it's peers back in S3 , scythe evie ftw . Tried it again last year but that stamina thing made me give up on it real quick .
It was never an mmo like others, it's more of a lobby game with an mmo-like lobby hub area. But since it's Nexon, monetization might still be just as annoying as ever. Maybe. On the other hand maybe they'll think of something less annoying if only to keep this version more alive long term, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
"is more like Dark Souls than old Vindictus". Gonna stop you right there. That's how old Vindictus started out. Later on it got faster, lots of changes were made, moves were added, they even added an expanded XE version, which I think only the EU kept. Can't even even remember the details around that one, but as the years went on, it changed quite a lot. But 'old Vindictus' is pretty much 'Dark Souls, but a bit flashier', especially when you reach some bosses. I think they turned down Hard mode, Hero mode and there was something else you could enable to turn up the difficulty per stage. I think gauntlet mode was gutted too. The game became a lot easier over time. I still remember the time where that Spider Queen, dude with the claws, and even Glaus and Colru easily lead to multiple party wipes, even when people brought party feathers. Dragon introductions also had a bunch of party wipes. I dunno when it got that easy though. I guess they had to streamline things to rush people through levels like all MMOs nowadays to get them to endgame, where the devs can go whaling. And yeah, you could set up a campfire, it heals over time and you and get buffs from it, and Vindictus had it's own flask system as well. Stop and flask and get full heal, or run and flask and not get it all iirc(think they added that part later tho). The comboes are supposed to be tiered. Weak . Heavy wh wwh wwwh And they all end differently. You just use the ones that are appropriate for the damage you want to do. For example, no point in doing Fiona's falcon kick combo, if you can't get off the kick part, since that's the part that does the most damage and has the knockdown. You upgrade each combo as you go on. I haven't been on in years tho, so my knowledge may be a bit rusty.
Yeah, I played the demo a bit (bugged in 6000 series amd gpus so I don't bother continuing) but the combat and experience is how I remember of VIndictus's early days. Gnoll chieftain was a pain in the ass, not so much after the updates. The only thing that let me down in this new game is the SP focus instead of MMO.
You're right, they made the earlier bosses of the game easier over time. I believe it was about the start or middle of Season 3 when they made earlier bosses significantly easier to quickly get players to the current raids. - They drastically cut the health, attack, and defence of the bosses - They removed hero mode - They removed certain mechanics/phases from bosses. Some changes were made to make the bosses beatable by just one person (like Colru's prefight against the 4 golems and Kraken's.... everything) while some were made just to lower the difficulty (Ingkells no longer continuously spawns his army) It's very sad. The impact of the story is somewhat undercut by how easier it is to kill the bosses.
I don’t get the hate for “auto play” function, imo Mobile games need to be autoplayed/afkness or atleast some assisting in it because cmon your on a Mobile and not a “console” or on a Pc/Notebook, so you can’t expect a full manualy played games on the mobile ifso just take a notebook to play the games manualy 😅 its simple as that actualy and btw if the game has pvp or guild/clan battles I think people can show their manual played skills there like BDM’s Arena and Guild wars for example
The combat was literally the same as the original Vindictus 😮 , surely missing the grabs and item throws, but i’m guessing because it’s still only a demo. Also played MnK, had no problems whatsoever.
I'm glad you left in the part with you struggling with keyboard/mouse controls. That's super important, and yet no one else reviewing this mention even mentioned it.
They didn't mention it because it was just a random bug, sometimes when you first started up the game it messed up a bit, my first time I had to alt-F4 because Esc and the Start button on controller wouldn't bring up the menus at all
Everything you complained about, not being an mmo or multiplayer, all just got me more hype for this. Im an avid mmo player and played the first one but a lot of mmos have been DoA so a single player lets them put more work into the game and mechanics versus worrying about mmo stuff. Looking forward to this one!
The monster models also seem to be upscaled version of the vindictus monsters which I really like. Wish the gameplay/combat was more inline with vindictus itself but will keep an eye on the game for now and see how it is once released.
I think most of the users who left Vindictus went to Monster Hunter or Souls Likes. And I'm a user who moved to Souls Likes, which is why I'm glad to hear that this piece is more like Souls Likes than MMOs. The most fun I had playing Vindictus was figuring out the combat patterns of the various bosses, and farming materials and crafting gear was just stressful, so I think they made a good choice to ditch MMOs in this respect. And as for them choosing to follow Souls Likes, I don't really see a reason why they should or shouldn't, I mean, I've moved to Souls Likes, so I don't have a problem with their system being closer to Souls Likes. Plus, I don't think it would be a bad idea for them to release some fantasy-like action that is fast and furious, but still packs a punch, as opposed to the slow and heavy action that is too realistic like traditional Souls Likes. Their biggest problem though is the intolerant criticism from some of the old Souls Likes players who didn't know anything about Vindictus and didn't have an open mind.
MMOs are quite tricky to pull off and maintain right, especially with all the competition around. Seems like a smart move on their part tbh, only gotta polish it a bit. Also Stellar Blade is coming out soon, seems like a good year for jiggle physics~
@@SubFlow22 It's mainly habit, there's no downsides to either KB+mouse or gamepad UNLESS you have to aim down sights to shoot a bow or whatever. KB and mouse is way better and faster for that imo.
It's not entirely correct to label this game as a "Souls-like", what with the combat being more high-octane, gameplay entirely linear, whereas Souls-games are a lot more slow-paced and focused on exploration. The term "Souls-like" is used a bit to freely to label any RPG with a dodge mechanic and monstrous bosses.
Im sorry man but this is exactly Vindictus.. they didnt change the game to become a soulslike, vindictus was the original soulslike! A stamina based action combat dungeon crawler with traps and hard bosses you d through... when i played dark souls it reminded me of vindictus! This is how the game started, this ia what people fell in love with at the start!
Honestly this is probably the best thing I could reasonably expect from this IP. I played a bunch of Vindictus back in the day and would honestly NOT be interested in getting into an MMO again. If it's a halfway decent souls-like (a genre very hard to mess up) that gives me just enough old vindi vibes to be nostalgic, sign me up.
It will be just like they released it on launch. Back then karok shock absorption took the health away a hit was supposed to and regenerates VERY slowly. Ever since the rework, the shock absorption recovery is almost instant.
A lot of gacha or f2p games I play, I always dream of a single player version. Because f2p games seem to have better combat (and better looking models) but there’s no way to enjoy it without the restrictions of pay2win and MMO mechanics. With this game, it’ll be possible, I hope. I’ll 100% buy costumes if they put them up as dlc, but selling power would take away from this direction they’re taking. Back when Vindictus was new it was difficult enough to be compared to a soulslike. The camps reminded me of camping in the OG. Except you don’t have to manually build the camp anymore and you can’t just camp wherever. The combat does feel heavier, but I never played Fiona or Lann so I can’t really compare. For me the biggest problems were some of the boss hitboxes and there was a tad bit of input lag which made it feel less responsive. I’m hoping they keep stamina out of this game. Stamina will REALLY make it soulslike. Overall amazing experience for me, I was playing this demo all day every day. It could use a bit of UI tweaking; health bar blocks the player. And not enough dynamic camera movement. But it’s only the alpha so, there’s still a lot of work to put into the game.
Yep exactly the same thoughts as me, it very much was Vindictus combat but made a bit clunkier and less responsive. I did send that feedback in the survey btw @Hagosha Though I think my biggest problem with thew combat was half to do with the camera as I think you were referring to, in that it seemed designed around locking on to the targets but in the OG what you'd often do is like, aim to the side of the boss and use your normals for movement (still hitting the boss ideally) to avoid attacks while still getting to the longer combos, where in this one the camera was too close to you and too hard to control precisely (plus tbh the directional aiming was pretty terrible, it was not consistent in aiming your attacks in the direction you were pressing relative to the camera), so for me at least that sort of playstyle was just impossible. Which sort of sucked combined with the faster, more aggressive bosses, because that meant the only time you'd ever be able to do the full LLLLRR combos was when the boss got tired and went down for an extended time, any other point you'd be lucky to even get off an LLRR, more likely nothing but LRR spam
@@heyimanameheyimalastname Good points, I remember relying a lot on field position and combo strings to land the last smash. The bosses in Defying Fate didn’t really allow for that because they constantly chased you and they attacked more often. Their attacks also homed in really hard on you so dodging into an attack would result in getting tracked and hit so dodging away was more efficient most times. Someone got upset in one of my videos that I mentioned the word soulslike and it’s because of this reason I’m throwing that word out. Soulslike games have very aggressive bosses with barely any openings. To the point where you can only use small attack strings. It very much felt this way in Defying Fate especially for Emuloch. The chieftain was fun though, and I feel has the longest openings to do combos. In the end it I think it’s Vindictus combat at its core but it’s still different. At least we get to experience our old favorite movesets in a new engine!
If you check the FAQ they put up its going to be multiplayer. Im not 100% sure how a 4 player Soul like works for boss fights though I guess they will have a ton of 360 attacks
I can understand the shift from MMOlite to single player souls like if it sells more... but it's really sad that they ditched the original Vindictus' combat, it still holds up today and is somewhat unique.
It sells more AND mmo development is astronomically more expensive compared to a single player game. Not sure why Peon doesn't understand that. Most developers are shying away from MMO's these days because of how expensive they are to make with no guarantee of making their money back. It's an easy decision for most developers.
As someone who beat NG+ on both characters in the playtest, yes it has the same movesets but no it is NOT just OG Vindi combat. It's similar, but weightier and has more impact, however it's also unarguably clunkier and less responsive, which are huge strengths of the original
Did they say that this was gonna be the game, just polished up a bit for release, or did they say that this was just a very compressed playtest version that might as well be half a year or years behind? That part is kinda important to determine if the game will be something at release or not. Like you see it has potential and you see it's missing some things, perhaps those things are already prepared but they want to give a very simplistic version for some reason. It could also be that this is their entry level game to the souls genre and they are gonna use it to collect data on how they can make an actual souls like in the future
Damn, I hope there will be an option to play as a gnoll ... they look so AWESOME! You can play as a beautiful woman or a knight in every ARPG, but never as such a ferocious and BADASS looking gnoll/werewolf!
You hit the nail RIGHT on the head. Keep the gameplay that made your game a classic, just SIMPLY, for the love of ALL THE GODS, update the graphics and cutscenes ONLY. Looking at you Final Fantasy 7 !!
@@allthatishere The movesets are the same (minus some things like Lann's Fury skills being tied to certain combo finishers/skills instead of being triggered on crits), but it definitely was clunkier and less responsive. The FAQ seems to confirm that this was intentional since it says combat will be "heavier", but it 100% feels a bit worse than OG Vindi, and that was my feedback in the survey as well
If they add old classes from 1st vindictus i hope they add Hurk because i just loved swinging that giant ass greatsword like Guts from berserk and then transform into dark knight (they literally stole that from berserk)
To me it looks like this is a NextGen reimagining / remake of Invictus One. It currently has lann and Fiona, which were two of the three starting characters in vindictus so I wouldn't surprise me if they added all the rest of the characters, including Hurk. Can't wait for this game to be finished and released.
Karok and Delia are the next ones being added, so it shows they're still using the OG lineup and also that they won't be added in order of release in OG Vindi. Delia overlaps a little with Hurk though so probably not too likely he'll be coming very soon at least
I stopped playing vindictus before season 3...i heard its a bit diffrent now buy they also ruined the leveling experience so i dont really want to play it anymore... but this combat looks exactly like vindictus! I dont know what you are talking about... if anything dark souls probably took inspiration from vindictus xb
I have 8k hrs on Steam Vindictus. And probably more not logged (7k+) when I played through the NX launcher. I mean this has a chance to revive the game but on a souls like type of gameplay. And I can see they are using the same boss, names, looks as well. And Fiona got similar attacks. Vindictus was by far one of the most fun Fighting style and gameplay style + controls ever for me. So if they add my Hurk with similar attacks and have a linear storyline just like in Vindictus. Then I am in. Chances are they might make an open world coop perhaps for Vindi 2. Just like nexons other game the First descendant. Similar style but with Guns. Vindictus was fun. The downside was really, it was tooooo grindy. RNG on the upgrades was also very bad. And was designed so players spend money to get stronger. Did have nice outfits though albeit expensive. The First Descendant shares some of this bad sides too.
fiona probably felt clunky cause her whole thing is blocking and countering usually she would get a parry like block that allow you to instantly hit with her shield which does a big amount of stagger dmg and allows you to chain into her later tier heavy attack instantly
I usually watch all your video's till the end, but when I heard you say: "Souls-like hack & slash with no multiplayer" I paused the video, wrote this comment and went on to watch another video.
Same setting, but different 'universe,' the FAQ says: "Some characters may have altered appearance or different elements, while others may be removed from the new title."
hate to break it to you. but Vindictus/Mabinogi: Heroes has LONG since divorced itself from Mabi's Lore. the conflict that was suppose to Lead the Tuatha De Danann into the promised land aka Erinn (Erinn is the world in Mabinogi) from Tir Na Nog (the World in Vindictus), has long finished. the story has deviated ALOT from then that it wouldnt even match up with what is described by even Generation 1: Advent of the Goddess in Mabinogi.
Pardon the ensuing essay. I think this video is misleading some people due to some key issues in your playthrough. Other people have already mentioned it, but I also felt the need to clarify some things: 1. Your mouse and keyboard issue is a bug. It is pre-alpha, so there have already been multiple issues that prevented people from fully experiencing the game. It’s unfortunate, but neither you nor the devs are at fault. What can you do? 2. The basic combat/controls is near-identical to old Vindictus. Combos are the same minus some extensions that Lann does. Even many of the hotkey skills are ported animations from old Vindictus. 3. I think the biggest thing that killed your experience and is also misleading viewers is you either didn’t read the play guide that displayed in the beginning of the game, or you skimmed through it without figuring everything out. There’s a page dedicated to showing all the combos, extensions, and skills your current character can do. You can pick up Lann easily because it’s intuitive for people familiar with Soulslikes to dodge and hit, but for Fiona, you didn’t learn her parry/counter mechanic, which is her bread and butter. If you thought the demo was disappointing even after learning the mechanics, it would definitely be even more disappointing because you didn’t learn it. Of course, your video is just your impressions, and sometimes you miss some details. Many viewers who are interested in this game will not just stop at this video, but for the few that see your impressions as final, I think clarification is necessary. The DNA of Vindictus is there, albeit slower, but if you see some skilled players play on TH-cam, the flow starts feeling like old Vindictus. No idea about open-world, but there will be multiplayer by launch at the latest. I do always look forward to these videos, though!
Vindictus was always praised for it's combat and I think this game could be a success if they don't mess it up with cash grab stuff. It's being single player is good actually. These days single player or small scaled coop games are doing much better than MMORPGs. With a little coop mechanic it could be actually great.
I play the demo. It looks promising. Vindictus is lacks of challange in early game. I think they fix that problem in the new game. I am very excited about the new one
OG Vindi was challenging in the beginning at first, but eventually several years after its launch they dumbed down everything from 1-60 to be easily soloable by anyone, so that they could funnel people into the latest content
pretty sure the devs have stated the alpha is singleplayer only but the full game will be an mmo similar in style to vindictus 1 most likely in terms of being a dungeon crawler of sorts. also vindictus 1 endgame is also soulslike just fyi
@@heyimanameheyimalastname you know that is literally vindictus too right? which is also an "mmo" yet 99" of the content is easily cleared solo and all of it can be cleared solo although endgame is alot harder to do so. which based on the alpha it literally appears to be vindictus 1 with better graphics still dungeon crawler and harder bosses resembling soulslikes which of course i am not complaining since vindictus 1 is a good game the only thing i worry about is story cause well vindictus 1 is all text outside of a select few cutscenes which have terrible voice acting.
@@MrBentalton777 Single player is not the main game mode of Vindictus, the main game mode is hanging out in the shared hubs (multiplayer) and using the adventure board thing to find groups (multiplayer). The fact that the content is easy doesn't make it a single-player game (and didn't used to be the case btw, they just dumbed down everything 1-60 a few years after launch to funnel the small playerbase to the latest content)
@@heyimanameheyimalastname if you call hanging out in a hub for 30 sec the "main game mode" then lol also the adventure board IS NOT to find groups its how you go on missions you CAN party up if you have friends but otherwise its there is no incentive to play with anyone as you can literally treat the game as a singleplayer game and never interact with another player whatsoever. also i never said the content was easy actually some of the bosses get pretty challenging late game and especially the endgame bosses but ALL of the content can be soloed while in true mmos endgame can never be soloed no matter how good you are. also ive been playing vindictus ever since it launched and while yes they did make bosses much easier than they used to be(up to a certain point) all bosses could still be beaten solo just like playing a soulslike game which are notorious for challenging bosses and yet people solo them all the time albeit sometimes after many many deaths. while again there is no such thing as an mmo with soloable endgame which is why even vindictus is an "mmo" in name only as functionally it is a singleplayer game with coop functionality
@@MrBentalton777 I agree that it's not an MMO, but that doesn't make it a single player game either, there are things in between those two extremes. Vindi is a multiplayer hub-based game. Again, the fact that it's possible to solo does not make single player "the main game mode." Especially if you're not just talking about the leveling process but also including endgame, in which case the number of people that can solo anything relevant is a tiny fraction of the playerbase
I know you love MMO's but I don't think it not being one is a bad thing, it's also entirely possible this is to test the waters while they work on an MMO
I'm super optimistic for this game. Only issue I see on the horizon is that it might be grindy and/or p2w, being a Korean game. If the monetization is only cosmetic, I will be all over it.
I tried the game with M+K and had no issues with it, not sure why you say it's unplayable with M+K. But anyway i don't think this play test means anything, it looks like something they've whipped up in a few months, not sure the reason for showing something this early. It just a basic tech demo for graphics and combat, there's no systems in the game, no items, no stats, no progression. It could just as easily turn into an MMO if they want to go that route.
From what i could tell, they were looking for feedback EARLY in development to help guide the process. This was a pre-alpha, after all, and they have a feedback survey going around until the 19th. They're being open and honest about development, which is refreshing from a nexon-owned studio.
To everyone interested in this title, be aware that nexon manipulates drop rates. They were recently fined in Korea for it (Maplestory KR). The more you play, the worse "random" luck you will have so be aware of the time you invest.
"you press X for light attack and y for heavy attack" "It feels like the same controls of dark souls" Dark Souls uses bumpers for light and heavy attack 😅
I've been wanting to create a home server of Vindictus for years. Loved the game, hated the failed mmo aspect. This looks like something i can play to hell. All i need is intuitive combat controls without a giant ability bar, good music and visuals in a dark setting to live in until my heart gives out. As soon as this comes out, I'll be making a 1st person mod so i can block half my vision with a dark crest helm and legally changing my name to Lann 😂
Nexon: Tries to sue Ironmace to prevent them from releasing their PvPvE dungeon extraction game on steam, claiming IP theft Also Nexon: Clones Dark Souls and calls it Vindictus 2 Nope, no unethical business practices here.
Thats not bad news, all i really wanted was elden ring open world but with actually attractive characters and move sets. 🤷🏻 lets go vindictus 2 Also, its still a tech demo alpha thing so who knows how crazy the change will be
I cant believe corridor fighters are still a thing. Ah yes, lemme just go from a to b in a 5m wide line with window dressing on the side while fighting the same mob again and again. Thrilling.
Instead of making it a "true" MMO, meaning no instance based content and instead an open world, they went in the totally opposite direction. As far as I understand, you can't even coop anymore, much less interact with random other players.
yo, hope you are doin good mate. Just wondering what the status on "Life Is An MMORPG" pt.2 and pt.3 looks like (since the last one was 2 yrs ago). Are we going to get an update to that?
"The dev team is planning to add multi-player mode in addition to the single-player mode which will be the main play mode in the launch version." The "MMO" aspects of Vindictus were the hub and large raids, and yeah it sucks to lose them if we are, but multiplayer is HUGE. ☺ The combat isn't identical, but it's basics are verrry similar. (Where are the non-health bars? 😮) This guy's dramatic sometimes. I don't think most people would like the original difficulty of the game - which was designed to get you to buy revives for real money or waste time restarting - but it looks easy relative to old or late-game Vindictus. I wonder if the attack speed stat's still a thing? (Hope all the stats are) The combat looks fine imo, but you gotta be more patient with slower/counter characters like Fiona; Lann's better if hacking/dodging for dps is your vibe. Plus you're not used to the combat, so you're not great at it. It's a tough to master game for sure. Wonder if the transformations and hold skills will still be a thing, pet skills, the 1000+ cosmetics, the very well written characters and mostly sensible and chaotic (good) story, emotes, characters talking to each other, "friendship skills," (the best raid boss attacks in the game, watch a video on YT if you're curious) and most importantly, can I yell incredibly stupid one-liners in the middle of combat? 🤔(Also the voice acting was great) The real question is, will it be marred by microtransactions like the original? 😓
People, im gonna be honest, dont listen to anything he says, go try it yourself, its the same combat, even the enemies are the same, combos and all, there is just no stamina worries and no SP gauge, at least not yet. Its literally like OG vindictus but without the MMO aspect, demo was fun, graphics are insanely immersive, and there is a new game + after you beat it, lets you do it again but no potions. Its fun, everyone should at least try it. Dont pay attention to him, he says its like Dark Souls but its not, if you play it like that you can beat it like he did but he also took 4 minutes on the last boss, if you play it like Vindictus itll be like 1 or 2 minutes of constant action, no need to get two weak hits in, then roll away, rinse repeat, the combat is meant for you to stand your ground, more like blood borne, use your character abilities and play style, its great. One last thing though, for Fiona, don't do the heavy standard (the block that has you kneel on one knee) as you take dmg even if you block, which you cant afford with no pots, avoid red moves, parry yellow moves, get those shield bashes in, time your special moves, learn enemy moves, learn how many hits to flinch an enemy, and purse victory.
First Hi-Rez and now Nexon: companies shamelessly doing asset flips for "New games" while reusing all the elements from the 2010's. The gaming industry is really in the toilet with how greedy these publishers have become.
If the game is not even released yet, how do you know if it's worth playing from only an initial alpha test? Is it true Nexon pays you to make these videos?
I was thinking exactly what you were when I heard about this: Take Vindictus' combat system, put it in UE5, and let us go to town. I mean Vindictus was hardly an MMO anyway, it was more of a MORPG. It's just running down various linear levels beating things up anyway. Just make it a co-op game like the first one already was and simplify some of the system bloat Vindictus suffers from and they have a formula for a pretty good game.
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The game isn't called "Vindictus 2"
It seems like a spin-off game.
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loving the frequent uploads mate
If the combat was like the old vindictus id hop on instantly
100%
I'm confused. I mained Fiona for years, played the tech demo on keyboard and mouse, it's literally identical. The speed, the combos, everything is 1:1. It's basically a reskin in a new UE5 coat.
@@luckynko24 same experience here. Only bit diferent controls than what i usually prefer, but its an alpha. Should allow customization eventually
@@luckynko24 Yup,. I played Lann, and his combos and moves were the same as I remembered them
@@luckynko24Biggest difference is that it’ll be an offline single player experience that will be free of MMO-like or P2W progression systems. No stamina system so you can spam all the skills and dodges you want, no daily limits on anything so you can play as much as you want. Weapon probably won’t blow up from enhancements in this game like they do in the OG. Also console release for people with bad PCs. It’s almost too good to be true. I guess the only downside of being a single player standalone game is that these games tend not to get as many content updates as their online F2P counterparts. So I’m hoping they really throw in all or the most popular characters into the game before releasing it.
The developers of Bless Online published Lies of Pi
The developers of Black Desert will make Crimson Desert a singleplayer game
And now Vindictus 2
Seems like there is a trend now that Korean game developers don't rely on MMOs only and I cant blame them: the MMO market is way too overcrowded
WAIT. Lies of P was made by the BLESS DEVS? Fuck me that game was horrible and they made a masterpiece like that? Yeah, then Vindictus might really turn out great when it comes out.
@@dantereinhardt6911
ok, i did a look at the wiki page they did not just publish it they made it with the help of Round8 Studio. I am happy for them that the game turned out great and sold 1 Million units
MMO are a big gamble they can make more money than a single player game ever could. but also if it has a bad initial reception it can kill it just because nobody wants to hop in an MMO with no players. while for a single player game if you think is cool is all that matters.
MMO market is overcrowded with complete garbage MMO's tbh, how come the best MMO still to this day is Classic WoW made in 2004..... Plenty of people I know are looking for a good new MMO that isn't a pay to win korean joke.
MMO market overcrowded?!
Around 2008-2012 there were literally some kind of MMO releasing every single week. Sure mostly they were the generic f2p copy-paste korean/chinese MMO, but every now and then a few of them were actually decent and had OK playerbase for years. I could barely keep up with MMOHuts videos.
I'd say the issue is how gaming and playerbase changed. Many people say they want the old MMO experience, but when they get it they complain about how slow and grindy it is (me included). Modern (AAA) MMOs are just a fast burning cash grab, coming in hot and becoming insignificant quickly because people find they have nothing to do within weeks.
It's hard or maybe even impossible to create a new MMO that has a good balance.
They are planning on adding multiplayer at later beta testing.
Source: Steam news FAQ. Feb 28
Q. Is it a single-player game?
A: Only single-player mode is available in the pre-alpha test.
The dev team is planning to add multi-player mode in addition to the single-player mode which will be the main play mode in the launch version.
Nexon also needs to add cross-platform with consoles.
@@SSGoatanks I don't think vindictus has ever been on a console
any info about console version ?
if its not cross platform mmo who cares
@@cIoudbank I care, I do not care if consoles get every game PC has or not.
Reminds me a lot of Vindictus at its launch. Was far harder in its early days. Bosses would kill you in 3 hits. Was still fast but you had to pay attention. All that changed later. I came back to it a couple years later and was shocked how easy it became
I played a lot when the game first came out and took breaks every now and then. At one point they made the first 60 some levels a walk in the park so new players and new characters can solo the majority of the game to the newer content. Then i stopped playing since then and i dunno what happened after 😅
You should see how awful it is now, it's horrible. You can get to max level with +10 gear the game gives you now in under 6 hours.
Well it's a rather standard practice during a MMO life cycle. Old content is simplified and streamlined so new players can catch up more easely, and old players are less hesitant to reroll (which opens up the opportunity to sell you new outfits and characters upgrades like inventory space in some games for example).
As new content often implies a huge power creep, a lot of gear is offered during levelling to make it easier when you are introduced to the new content. And so the old content is simply reduced to a simple joke.
Repeat this cycle a few times, and nothing is left from the original game. You're just teleported right into high level content a few hours after creating your first character.
many people tend to forget that the games also felt harder because of hardware+internet....
also games tend to become "easy" because they are dying... imagine having still the same requirement from early 2000s on grind needed to achieve something... the "kids" from back then are adults now and dont want to waste the same amount of time on a game or got used to faster pacing
@@luxvita2815 I still prefer early 2013 vindictus to current. Games too fast and I'm almost 31.
They need to include improvised weapons like pots, barrels, crates, etc as that added a lot of fun to the original.
Coop is confirmed to be in the future betas
Hopefully it'll also be on consoles because a PC Exclusive Co-Op Single Player limits profit potential.
@@SSGoatanks I don't see what being co-op has to do with limiting profit. I think being limited to one platform is the operable factor in play here. Do you think only console players play co-op or something?
@@SSGoatanks It depends, Vindictus' playerbase has always been PC focused. You need to spend a lot of time and money to port something from PC to console and vice versa. Would it be worth it for them to spent thousands upon thousands just to get 1000 more players? Not really. Its not profit if they spend more on porting the game than they'd get from console players
It's going to be shit like the first one. All vindictus is a short obstacle that you ran through killing things and you were done in just seconds... Not a true game at all and reason why no one played and quit.
@@JeremySmith-fo3cj bro played through the tutorial and thought he completed the game
I tried it and I was pleasantly surprised. I played the original Vindictus, but mostly Hurk. I did play Fiona, but it felt different from what I remembered. It clicked for me when I was fighting the Gnoll Chieftain. I figured out the timing on the block, and because the counter is so quick, when you figure out all the gaps in the bosses attacks, their patterns, and timings, playing Fiona felt like playing Sekiro. And that was a feeling that I sorely missed.
You can of course, play it safe and just roll around, but if you make use of that block counter, Fiona is really interactive and fun.
I love how the combat looks actually, I hated most of the changes to combat they did back in 2014? 2015? Around that time anyways.
This game reminds me of the early years of Vindictus, punting gnolls all over the place and you can even jump again! The only thing that seems to be missing is grappling and throwing environmental objects around.
Even the red gnoll boss looks the same, but in better graphics.
Now add coop back in and I'll die of exitement
I feel the same way, this feels very early Vindictus which was the best times IMO.
I remember people hating the jumping tho. Wasn't a big fan of it myself and the other changes.
Jumping was practically useless, but just added to the things you could do when you were just kicking it with the homies 😂😂
Co-op was confirmed in the FAQ section for the developers discord server. However we don't know if it will be possible to co-op from the beginning of the game yet.
@@muskaman2k I remmember downloading random MMO's back in the early 00s and uninstalling directly if they didnt bother adding jumping to the game XD (EU player so we had the jump xD)
Honestly, watched your old Vindictus review yesterday as it popped up in the playlist. Was actually starting to consider trying it out despite the outdated graphics, for the fighting alone
The new player experience is awful.
"Outdated graphics"
@@ghiuleaalex2752 Poor choice of words perhaps, *older graphics*
@@TakezoMusashi the game still looks great^^ idk if youd enjoy the nexon treatment tho....
This is probably my dream game.
Vindictus Combate with a "Souls like" feel to it.
1:20 - what? Combat is not like Vindictus? This is EXACTLY Vindictus combat. Same combos, animations and characters. Just donwload Vindictus and play Lann or Fiona. Maybe not the same ENEMY combat, but that's for the better
4:00 - I played with keyboard and mouse. Dunno what the problem was, but worked fine in mine.
controls completely different and there's way less combos, perhaps the animations are similar but it FEELS completely different.
@@TheLazyPeon It is a literal import of Fiona and Lann.
There is no diference in character combos and skills. Now audio for example sucks atm. But its alpha. I expect some polish in next tests
@@TheLazyPeon yeah, the controls are different cuz of the medium switch from keyboard and mouse to control, but the overall flow is exactly the same. fiona felt clunky to you cuz she's a slower shield character, that's why lann felt way better.
as you played through, you figured out the combos: light heavy/light light heavy/light light light heavy/light light light light heavy--which translates to LR LLR LLLR LLLLR from vindi 1
Exactly. The combos, the pacing, the controls (I played on M+K, not sure where Peon got stuck there). It's literally 1:1 just in a new engine
The game is very much still Vindictus, gameplay doesn't feel anything like dark souls outside of the bonfire thingy. So far it is the same thing Vindictus has been known for. We don't really know anything about its MMO aspect outside of what the play test is offering which is just a single player experience for now. They have stated they will bring multiplayer later down the line.
Did you really play Fiona without doing the counter attack? Also I did not have the m/kb issue you had. Controlled just like old vindictus.
He did lol, no wonder he felt like Lann was way better when he ignored the main mechanic of Fiona. Meanwhile for the fastest boss clear competition they had for a special role on their discord, they had to edit the rules to separate Lann and Fiona rankings since Fiona utterly dominated all the bosses lmao
Good to hear as an old school fio main.
Yeah, bit odd, that. He came across as a Vindictus fan but whiffed on Fiona and didn't know about Lann's slip dash?
Multi-player has been confirmed on a FAQ pinned on Steam forums, but it seems it's not tied to the main campaign
Don't know what happened to your controls, but for me it was exactly the same controls as Vindictus 1 for KBM. Fiona and Lann also have the exact same movesets. They just don't have any of their late game skills or alternate weapons.
@@ArmisHartthis is an Alpha build. Bugs are inevitable.
Vindictus 2 not being a MMO actually gives me more faith in it, considering NEXON's track record with Maplestory
If it's not an MMO, then this game might not be free to play.
@@SSGoatanks Tbh i would not mind paying if it gives me the old days of vindictus ( i started in 2011 ) , loved farming lvl 50-60 dungeons on hero difficulty . Then as i played it off and on along the years and as i improved my skill and gear went on to solo raids like regina and it's peers back in S3 , scythe evie ftw .
Tried it again last year but that stamina thing made me give up on it real quick .
I will join you on that adventure @SpectreBGM
It was never an mmo like others, it's more of a lobby game with an mmo-like lobby hub area.
But since it's Nexon, monetization might still be just as annoying as ever. Maybe. On the other hand maybe they'll think of something less annoying if only to keep this version more alive long term, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
Asian companies in general arent good with long term support
"is more like Dark Souls than old Vindictus". Gonna stop you right there. That's how old Vindictus started out. Later on it got faster, lots of changes were made, moves were added, they even added an expanded XE version, which I think only the EU kept. Can't even even remember the details around that one, but as the years went on, it changed quite a lot. But 'old Vindictus' is pretty much 'Dark Souls, but a bit flashier', especially when you reach some bosses. I think they turned down Hard mode, Hero mode and there was something else you could enable to turn up the difficulty per stage. I think gauntlet mode was gutted too.
The game became a lot easier over time. I still remember the time where that Spider Queen, dude with the claws, and even Glaus and Colru easily lead to multiple party wipes, even when people brought party feathers. Dragon introductions also had a bunch of party wipes. I dunno when it got that easy though. I guess they had to streamline things to rush people through levels like all MMOs nowadays to get them to endgame, where the devs can go whaling.
And yeah, you could set up a campfire, it heals over time and you and get buffs from it, and Vindictus had it's own flask system as well. Stop and flask and get full heal, or run and flask and not get it all iirc(think they added that part later tho).
The comboes are supposed to be tiered. Weak . Heavy
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And they all end differently. You just use the ones that are appropriate for the damage you want to do. For example, no point in doing Fiona's falcon kick combo, if you can't get off the kick part, since that's the part that does the most damage and has the knockdown. You upgrade each combo as you go on. I haven't been on in years tho, so my knowledge may be a bit rusty.
Yeah, I played the demo a bit (bugged in 6000 series amd gpus so I don't bother continuing) but the combat and experience is how I remember of VIndictus's early days. Gnoll chieftain was a pain in the ass, not so much after the updates.
The only thing that let me down in this new game is the SP focus instead of MMO.
You're right, they made the earlier bosses of the game easier over time. I believe it was about the start or middle of Season 3 when they made earlier bosses significantly easier to quickly get players to the current raids.
- They drastically cut the health, attack, and defence of the bosses
- They removed hero mode
- They removed certain mechanics/phases from bosses. Some changes were made to make the bosses beatable by just one person (like Colru's prefight against the 4 golems and Kraken's.... everything) while some were made just to lower the difficulty (Ingkells no longer continuously spawns his army)
It's very sad. The impact of the story is somewhat undercut by how easier it is to kill the bosses.
Vindictus is the original dark souls.
Souls like games should be called vindictus like.
SEASON OF MACHA. Yiou're thinking of SEASON OF MACHA- the toggle for stages to make it harder, but more rewarding
@@CritHit there was no season of macha when it was released as far as i remember
If we get co-op play in the future, then I think it’ll be 100% for me!
THE BOOB PHYSICS IN THIS GAME IS GOD-TIER
Make giggle boobies great again. Love Asians that stick to the roots and doesn't go.woke
well at least they didnt turn it into an a mobile autoplay mmo?
would have been better than single P
I don’t get the hate for “auto play” function, imo Mobile games need to be autoplayed/afkness or atleast some assisting in it because cmon your on a Mobile and not a “console” or on a Pc/Notebook, so you can’t expect a full manualy played games on the mobile ifso just take a notebook to play the games manualy 😅 its simple as that actualy and btw if the game has pvp or guild/clan battles I think people can show their manual played skills there like BDM’s Arena and Guild wars for example
@@NeelixMaster Just buy a PC. Mobile gaming is dumb as fuck and everyone knows it.
Haha soo true. Also 🙄😅. 👆🤡
@@NeelixMasterfound the shitty auto play mobile game apologist
The combat was literally the same as the original Vindictus 😮 , surely missing the grabs and item throws, but i’m guessing because it’s still only a demo.
Also played MnK, had no problems whatsoever.
same this is clearly an alpha technical demo. not even close to a beta. all is subject to change. and a bad move set is just that. it can be changed.
I'm glad you left in the part with you struggling with keyboard/mouse controls. That's super important, and yet no one else reviewing this mention even mentioned it.
It's an alpha, can't really review it. Can't imagine the keyboard controls will be much different to Vindictus
It's a playtest bug, others have said it worked for them.
They didn't mention it because it was just a random bug, sometimes when you first started up the game it messed up a bit, my first time I had to alt-F4 because Esc and the Start button on controller wouldn't bring up the menus at all
Everything you complained about, not being an mmo or multiplayer, all just got me more hype for this. Im an avid mmo player and played the first one but a lot of mmos have been DoA so a single player lets them put more work into the game and mechanics versus worrying about mmo stuff. Looking forward to this one!
The monster models also seem to be upscaled version of the vindictus monsters which I really like. Wish the gameplay/combat was more inline with vindictus itself but will keep an eye on the game for now and see how it is once released.
WHAT! At 7:53, mob did a low sweep and Fiona jumpped, and dodged that. Very nice and accurate hitbox mechanics. It's almost like Tekken's
Wasnt it overhead smash? Still misses tho
I think most of the users who left Vindictus went to Monster Hunter or Souls Likes.
And I'm a user who moved to Souls Likes, which is why I'm glad to hear that this piece is more like Souls Likes than MMOs.
The most fun I had playing Vindictus was figuring out the combat patterns of the various bosses, and farming materials and crafting gear was just stressful, so I think they made a good choice to ditch MMOs in this respect.
And as for them choosing to follow Souls Likes, I don't really see a reason why they should or shouldn't, I mean, I've moved to Souls Likes, so I don't have a problem with their system being closer to Souls Likes.
Plus, I don't think it would be a bad idea for them to release some fantasy-like action that is fast and furious, but still packs a punch, as opposed to the slow and heavy action that is too realistic like traditional Souls Likes.
Their biggest problem though is the intolerant criticism from some of the old Souls Likes players who didn't know anything about Vindictus and didn't have an open mind.
MMOs are quite tricky to pull off and maintain right, especially with all the competition around. Seems like a smart move on their part tbh, only gotta polish it a bit.
Also Stellar Blade is coming out soon, seems like a good year for jiggle physics~
I covered Vindictus 1 only 2 months ago and all of a sudden this beauty pops up...
I'm down for this game.
I think the name is fine, it's a spin-off not a sequel, it shouldn't be titled as 2. I play souls-likes on keyboard all time
Soulslike on KB is punishment
@@SubFlow22 It's mainly habit, there's no downsides to either KB+mouse or gamepad UNLESS you have to aim down sights to shoot a bow or whatever. KB and mouse is way better and faster for that imo.
@@SubFlow22 Nah, it used to be back in the DS1 days but not anymore
It's not entirely correct to label this game as a "Souls-like", what with the combat being more high-octane, gameplay entirely linear, whereas Souls-games are a lot more slow-paced and focused on exploration. The term "Souls-like" is used a bit to freely to label any RPG with a dodge mechanic and monstrous bosses.
Im sorry man but this is exactly Vindictus.. they didnt change the game to become a soulslike, vindictus was the original soulslike! A stamina based action combat dungeon crawler with traps and hard bosses you d through... when i played dark souls it reminded me of vindictus! This is how the game started, this ia what people fell in love with at the start!
Same devs from First Descendant? OOOh boy the fanservice makes sense now
Honestly this is probably the best thing I could reasonably expect from this IP. I played a bunch of Vindictus back in the day and would honestly NOT be interested in getting into an MMO again. If it's a halfway decent souls-like (a genre very hard to mess up) that gives me just enough old vindi vibes to be nostalgic, sign me up.
Great video! thanks as always.
Vindictus 2 is the reveal no one ever expected
Vindictus ex-veteran here. I can't wait to get back into this game.
I wanna see how they do Karok in this, because his shock absorption will probably either be overpowered or nerfed into the ground
It will be just like they released it on launch. Back then karok shock absorption took the health away a hit was supposed to and regenerates VERY slowly. Ever since the rework, the shock absorption recovery is almost instant.
Ok so something went weird with yours because i could move my camera with the mouse and could click the settings...that's weird.
The playtest is still pretty buggy. I've had the ESC button just not work anymore, for example. XD
A lot of gacha or f2p games I play, I always dream of a single player version. Because f2p games seem to have better combat (and better looking models) but there’s no way to enjoy it without the restrictions of pay2win and MMO mechanics. With this game, it’ll be possible, I hope. I’ll 100% buy costumes if they put them up as dlc, but selling power would take away from this direction they’re taking.
Back when Vindictus was new it was difficult enough to be compared to a soulslike. The camps reminded me of camping in the OG. Except you don’t have to manually build the camp anymore and you can’t just camp wherever. The combat does feel heavier, but I never played Fiona or Lann so I can’t really compare. For me the biggest problems were some of the boss hitboxes and there was a tad bit of input lag which made it feel less responsive. I’m hoping they keep stamina out of this game. Stamina will REALLY make it soulslike.
Overall amazing experience for me, I was playing this demo all day every day. It could use a bit of UI tweaking; health bar blocks the player. And not enough dynamic camera movement. But it’s only the alpha so, there’s still a lot of work to put into the game.
Make sure you send feedback through the survey so they know!
Yep exactly the same thoughts as me, it very much was Vindictus combat but made a bit clunkier and less responsive. I did send that feedback in the survey btw @Hagosha
Though I think my biggest problem with thew combat was half to do with the camera as I think you were referring to, in that it seemed designed around locking on to the targets but in the OG what you'd often do is like, aim to the side of the boss and use your normals for movement (still hitting the boss ideally) to avoid attacks while still getting to the longer combos, where in this one the camera was too close to you and too hard to control precisely (plus tbh the directional aiming was pretty terrible, it was not consistent in aiming your attacks in the direction you were pressing relative to the camera), so for me at least that sort of playstyle was just impossible. Which sort of sucked combined with the faster, more aggressive bosses, because that meant the only time you'd ever be able to do the full LLLLRR combos was when the boss got tired and went down for an extended time, any other point you'd be lucky to even get off an LLRR, more likely nothing but LRR spam
@@heyimanameheyimalastname Good points, I remember relying a lot on field position and combo strings to land the last smash. The bosses in Defying Fate didn’t really allow for that because they constantly chased you and they attacked more often. Their attacks also homed in really hard on you so dodging into an attack would result in getting tracked and hit so dodging away was more efficient most times. Someone got upset in one of my videos that I mentioned the word soulslike and it’s because of this reason I’m throwing that word out. Soulslike games have very aggressive bosses with barely any openings. To the point where you can only use small attack strings. It very much felt this way in Defying Fate especially for Emuloch. The chieftain was fun though, and I feel has the longest openings to do combos.
In the end it I think it’s Vindictus combat at its core but it’s still different. At least we get to experience our old favorite movesets in a new engine!
If you check the FAQ they put up its going to be multiplayer. Im not 100% sure how a 4 player Soul like works for boss fights though I guess they will have a ton of 360 attacks
really loved vindictus' combat, it's amazing, and the new combat system seems even better
It looks great Peon, What are you using for a graphics card...? What is your motherboard, MSI, Gigabyte...?
I can understand the shift from MMOlite to single player souls like if it sells more... but it's really sad that they ditched the original Vindictus' combat, it still holds up today and is somewhat unique.
they didn't ditch the original combat, though...
It sells more AND mmo development is astronomically more expensive compared to a single player game. Not sure why Peon doesn't understand that. Most developers are shying away from MMO's these days because of how expensive they are to make with no guarantee of making their money back. It's an easy decision for most developers.
its the same gameplay lazypeon just let it looks like trash cause is bad in every game he plays.
As someone who beat NG+ on both characters in the playtest, yes it has the same movesets but no it is NOT just OG Vindi combat. It's similar, but weightier and has more impact, however it's also unarguably clunkier and less responsive, which are huge strengths of the original
Did they say that this was gonna be the game, just polished up a bit for release, or did they say that this was just a very compressed playtest version that might as well be half a year or years behind? That part is kinda important to determine if the game will be something at release or not. Like you see it has potential and you see it's missing some things, perhaps those things are already prepared but they want to give a very simplistic version for some reason. It could also be that this is their entry level game to the souls genre and they are gonna use it to collect data on how they can make an actual souls like in the future
I want revamped Vindictus so bad. It's so sad to see it being a souls game only. I hope they are working or will be on Vindictus 2
Damn, I hope there will be an option to play as a gnoll ... they look so AWESOME! You can play as a beautiful woman or a knight in every ARPG, but never as such a ferocious and BADASS looking gnoll/werewolf!
10:00 I 100% agree. I would play any game that has VIndictus 1's combat system. But for some reason no other game has ever adapted it. It's strange.
11:35 "the ultimate furry" I'm crying 😂😂 but seriously though, who knows maybe they got inspired by Neowiz, who went from Bless to Lies of P? 🤷
You hit the nail RIGHT on the head. Keep the gameplay that made your game a classic, just SIMPLY, for the love of ALL THE GODS, update the graphics and cutscenes ONLY. Looking at you Final Fantasy 7 !!
They literally did that
The characters in the demo play *EXCATLY* like they do in Vindictis 1.
I have played a lot of Lan, and his moveset is 100% the same.
@@allthatishere The movesets are the same (minus some things like Lann's Fury skills being tied to certain combo finishers/skills instead of being triggered on crits), but it definitely was clunkier and less responsive. The FAQ seems to confirm that this was intentional since it says combat will be "heavier", but it 100% feels a bit worse than OG Vindi, and that was my feedback in the survey as well
The real Vindictus 2 was inside us all along. And it's a card battler, RPG.
If they add old classes from 1st vindictus i hope they add Hurk because i just loved swinging that giant ass greatsword like Guts from berserk and then transform into dark knight (they literally stole that from berserk)
To me it looks like this is a NextGen reimagining / remake of Invictus One. It currently has lann and Fiona, which were two of the three starting characters in vindictus so I wouldn't surprise me if they added all the rest of the characters, including Hurk. Can't wait for this game to be finished and released.
Karok and Delia are the next ones being added, so it shows they're still using the OG lineup and also that they won't be added in order of release in OG Vindi. Delia overlaps a little with Hurk though so probably not too likely he'll be coming very soon at least
That moment when you realize you have seen lazy peon since you were 12 and are now 23
I stopped playing vindictus before season 3...i heard its a bit diffrent now buy they also ruined the leveling experience so i dont really want to play it anymore... but this combat looks exactly like vindictus! I dont know what you are talking about... if anything dark souls probably took inspiration from vindictus xb
I have 8k hrs on Steam Vindictus. And probably more not logged (7k+) when I played through the NX launcher.
I mean this has a chance to revive the game but on a souls like type of gameplay.
And I can see they are using the same boss, names, looks as well.
And Fiona got similar attacks.
Vindictus was by far one of the most fun Fighting style and gameplay style + controls ever for me.
So if they add my Hurk with similar attacks and have a linear storyline just like in Vindictus. Then I am in.
Chances are they might make an open world coop perhaps for Vindi 2.
Just like nexons other game the First descendant. Similar style but with Guns.
Vindictus was fun. The downside was really, it was tooooo grindy.
RNG on the upgrades was also very bad.
And was designed so players spend money to get stronger.
Did have nice outfits though albeit expensive.
The First Descendant shares some of this bad sides too.
fiona probably felt clunky cause her whole thing is blocking and countering usually she would get a parry like block that allow you to instantly hit with her shield which does a big amount of stagger dmg and allows you to chain into her later tier heavy attack instantly
the real vindictus 2 was the friends we made along the way
I usually watch all your video's till the end, but when I heard you say: "Souls-like hack & slash with no multiplayer" I paused the video, wrote this comment and went on to watch another video.
New Vindictus? Hell yeah i just hope Nexon doesn't monetize the hell out of it -.-
if this is Vindictus 2 then that means it take place in Erinn like Mabinogi right? I'd love to explore that setting with this style
Same setting, but different 'universe,' the FAQ says: "Some characters may have altered appearance or different elements, while others may be removed from the new title."
hate to break it to you.
but Vindictus/Mabinogi: Heroes has LONG since divorced itself from Mabi's Lore.
the conflict that was suppose to Lead the Tuatha De Danann into the promised land aka Erinn (Erinn is the world in Mabinogi) from Tir Na Nog (the World in Vindictus), has long finished.
the story has deviated ALOT from then that it wouldnt even match up with what is described by even Generation 1: Advent of the Goddess in Mabinogi.
Pardon the ensuing essay. I think this video is misleading some people due to some key issues in your playthrough. Other people have already mentioned it, but I also felt the need to clarify some things:
1. Your mouse and keyboard issue is a bug. It is pre-alpha, so there have already been multiple issues that prevented people from fully experiencing the game. It’s unfortunate, but neither you nor the devs are at fault. What can you do?
2. The basic combat/controls is near-identical to old Vindictus. Combos are the same minus some extensions that Lann does. Even many of the hotkey skills are ported animations from old Vindictus.
3. I think the biggest thing that killed your experience and is also misleading viewers is you either didn’t read the play guide that displayed in the beginning of the game, or you skimmed through it without figuring everything out. There’s a page dedicated to showing all the combos, extensions, and skills your current character can do. You can pick up Lann easily because it’s intuitive for people familiar with Soulslikes to dodge and hit, but for Fiona, you didn’t learn her parry/counter mechanic, which is her bread and butter. If you thought the demo was disappointing even after learning the mechanics, it would definitely be even more disappointing because you didn’t learn it.
Of course, your video is just your impressions, and sometimes you miss some details. Many viewers who are interested in this game will not just stop at this video, but for the few that see your impressions as final, I think clarification is necessary. The DNA of Vindictus is there, albeit slower, but if you see some skilled players play on TH-cam, the flow starts feeling like old Vindictus. No idea about open-world, but there will be multiplayer by launch at the latest. I do always look forward to these videos, though!
Vindictus was always praised for it's combat and I think this game could be a success if they don't mess it up with cash grab stuff. It's being single player is good actually. These days single player or small scaled coop games are doing much better than MMORPGs. With a little coop mechanic it could be actually great.
You’re wrong, this is the old vindictive combat. This is what combat was like in 2010 and 2011 before the numerous buffs and revamps.
I play the demo. It looks promising. Vindictus is lacks of challange in early game. I think they fix that problem in the new game. I am very excited about the new one
OG Vindi was challenging in the beginning at first, but eventually several years after its launch they dumbed down everything from 1-60 to be easily soloable by anyone, so that they could funnel people into the latest content
Nexon saw Elden Ring success and immediately procedeed to make a similar game :D
How about Malenia from Elden Ring and Regina from Vindictus? XD
When i saw the title pop i was like yaaaayyy. Finally something,and after a minute i was depressed :C
An open world Vindictus MMO using an upgraded version of the first game's combat would have gone soooo hard. Instead we get this :(
pretty sure the devs have stated the alpha is singleplayer only but the full game will be an mmo similar in style to vindictus 1 most likely in terms of being a dungeon crawler of sorts. also vindictus 1 endgame is also soulslike just fyi
No, they said there will be multiplayer but that single player is "the main game play mode"
@@heyimanameheyimalastname you know that is literally vindictus too right? which is also an "mmo" yet 99" of the content is easily cleared solo and all of it can be cleared solo although endgame is alot harder to do so. which based on the alpha it literally appears to be vindictus 1 with better graphics still dungeon crawler and harder bosses resembling soulslikes which of course i am not complaining since vindictus 1 is a good game the only thing i worry about is story cause well vindictus 1 is all text outside of a select few cutscenes which have terrible voice acting.
@@MrBentalton777 Single player is not the main game mode of Vindictus, the main game mode is hanging out in the shared hubs (multiplayer) and using the adventure board thing to find groups (multiplayer). The fact that the content is easy doesn't make it a single-player game (and didn't used to be the case btw, they just dumbed down everything 1-60 a few years after launch to funnel the small playerbase to the latest content)
@@heyimanameheyimalastname if you call hanging out in a hub for 30 sec the "main game mode" then lol also the adventure board IS NOT to find groups its how you go on missions you CAN party up if you have friends but otherwise its there is no incentive to play with anyone as you can literally treat the game as a singleplayer game and never interact with another player whatsoever. also i never said the content was easy actually some of the bosses get pretty challenging late game and especially the endgame bosses but ALL of the content can be soloed while in true mmos endgame can never be soloed no matter how good you are. also ive been playing vindictus ever since it launched and while yes they did make bosses much easier than they used to be(up to a certain point) all bosses could still be beaten solo just like playing a soulslike game which are notorious for challenging bosses and yet people solo them all the time albeit sometimes after many many deaths. while again there is no such thing as an mmo with soloable endgame which is why even vindictus is an "mmo" in name only as functionally it is a singleplayer game with coop functionality
@@MrBentalton777 I agree that it's not an MMO, but that doesn't make it a single player game either, there are things in between those two extremes. Vindi is a multiplayer hub-based game. Again, the fact that it's possible to solo does not make single player "the main game mode." Especially if you're not just talking about the leveling process but also including endgame, in which case the number of people that can solo anything relevant is a tiny fraction of the playerbase
Devs: It's not a souls-like game
Everyone and their mother: Vindi DF is a souls-like game
Bruh
Vindictus *was* Dark Souls before Dark Souls came out.
I'm fine with it being a single player game. My computer can barely run the MMO anyway. I just hope there's more weapons besides what the MMO offers.
I know you love MMO's but I don't think it not being one is a bad thing, it's also entirely possible this is to test the waters while they work on an MMO
I'm super optimistic for this game. Only issue I see on the horizon is that it might be grindy and/or p2w, being a Korean game. If the monetization is only cosmetic, I will be all over it.
Looks amazing.
I tried the game with M+K and had no issues with it, not sure why you say it's unplayable with M+K.
But anyway i don't think this play test means anything, it looks like something they've whipped up in a few months, not sure the reason for showing something this early. It just a basic tech demo for graphics and combat, there's no systems in the game, no items, no stats, no progression. It could just as easily turn into an MMO if they want to go that route.
From what i could tell, they were looking for feedback EARLY in development to help guide the process. This was a pre-alpha, after all, and they have a feedback survey going around until the 19th.
They're being open and honest about development, which is refreshing from a nexon-owned studio.
To everyone interested in this title, be aware that nexon manipulates drop rates. They were recently fined in Korea for it (Maplestory KR).
The more you play, the worse "random" luck you will have so be aware of the time you invest.
the combat of souls games is perfect for me and ive kinda liked vindicuts I so im definitely checking this one out
Seems a little scuffed not doing any research at all on the game you're doing a video on.
Yeah, i agree. Not to mention just how wrong Peon is about everything related to this game, from the combat to the controls to the playstyle, etc.
@@HagoshaGuess he's trying to live up to his channels name?
@landogarner2007 wouldn't be the first time lol
What does first impression mean to you?
liked for the 1sec Majula theme
"you press X for light attack and y for heavy attack"
"It feels like the same controls of dark souls"
Dark Souls uses bumpers for light and heavy attack 😅
I've been wanting to create a home server of Vindictus for years. Loved the game, hated the failed mmo aspect. This looks like something i can play to hell. All i need is intuitive combat controls without a giant ability bar, good music and visuals in a dark setting to live in until my heart gives out. As soon as this comes out, I'll be making a 1st person mod so i can block half my vision with a dark crest helm and legally changing my name to Lann 😂
maybe they should make remaster of Vindictus 1 like Black Desert with graphics and some effect, it would be the best game I would ever play
Nexon: Tries to sue Ironmace to prevent them from releasing their PvPvE dungeon extraction game on steam, claiming IP theft
Also Nexon: Clones Dark Souls and calls it Vindictus 2
Nope, no unethical business practices here.
Thats not bad news, all i really wanted was elden ring open world but with actually attractive characters and move sets. 🤷🏻 lets go vindictus 2
Also, its still a tech demo alpha thing so who knows how crazy the change will be
I cant believe corridor fighters are still a thing.
Ah yes, lemme just go from a to b in a 5m wide line with window dressing on the side while fighting the same mob again and again.
Thrilling.
Instead of making it a "true" MMO, meaning no instance based content and instead an open world, they went in the totally opposite direction. As far as I understand, you can't even coop anymore, much less interact with random other players.
where does it say Vinidictus 2? there is no 2 in the title
ULTRA KEK
@@googus2110 the clickbait is real
yo, hope you are doin good mate. Just wondering what the status on "Life Is An MMORPG" pt.2 and pt.3 looks like (since the last one was 2 yrs ago). Are we going to get an update to that?
Didnt expect a Starforge ad on your channel but rather that than a mobile afk game.
Star Citizen. A game you've yet to even try on a free flight event. You should try 3.23 when it comes out. A lot of updates.
Mr Peon I need a favor tell the ppl at Ashes of Creation to hurry up I want to play. Thanks! Love your vids bud
"The dev team is planning to add multi-player mode in addition to the single-player mode which will be the main play mode in the launch version." The "MMO" aspects of Vindictus were the hub and large raids, and yeah it sucks to lose them if we are, but multiplayer is HUGE. ☺
The combat isn't identical, but it's basics are verrry similar. (Where are the non-health bars? 😮) This guy's dramatic sometimes. I don't think most people would like the original difficulty of the game - which was designed to get you to buy revives for real money or waste time restarting - but it looks easy relative to old or late-game Vindictus. I wonder if the attack speed stat's still a thing? (Hope all the stats are)
The combat looks fine imo, but you gotta be more patient with slower/counter characters like Fiona; Lann's better if hacking/dodging for dps is your vibe. Plus you're not used to the combat, so you're not great at it. It's a tough to master game for sure.
Wonder if the transformations and hold skills will still be a thing, pet skills, the 1000+ cosmetics, the very well written characters and mostly sensible and chaotic (good) story, emotes, characters talking to each other, "friendship skills," (the best raid boss attacks in the game, watch a video on YT if you're curious) and most importantly, can I yell incredibly stupid one-liners in the middle of combat? 🤔(Also the voice acting was great)
The real question is, will it be marred by microtransactions like the original? 😓
Eeyyyooo LP's active again!
People, im gonna be honest, dont listen to anything he says, go try it yourself, its the same combat, even the enemies are the same, combos and all, there is just no stamina worries and no SP gauge, at least not yet. Its literally like OG vindictus but without the MMO aspect, demo was fun, graphics are insanely immersive, and there is a new game + after you beat it, lets you do it again but no potions. Its fun, everyone should at least try it. Dont pay attention to him, he says its like Dark Souls but its not, if you play it like that you can beat it like he did but he also took 4 minutes on the last boss, if you play it like Vindictus itll be like 1 or 2 minutes of constant action, no need to get two weak hits in, then roll away, rinse repeat, the combat is meant for you to stand your ground, more like blood borne, use your character abilities and play style, its great. One last thing though, for Fiona, don't do the heavy standard (the block that has you kneel on one knee) as you take dmg even if you block, which you cant afford with no pots, avoid red moves, parry yellow moves, get those shield bashes in, time your special moves, learn enemy moves, learn how many hits to flinch an enemy, and purse victory.
First Hi-Rez and now Nexon: companies shamelessly doing asset flips for "New games" while reusing all the elements from the 2010's.
The gaming industry is really in the toilet with how greedy these publishers have become.
This is the first time i would say that I don't like a souls like direction. They should update the MMO as it was and still is amazing
Starforge!! Let's go!! 😂
Don't underestimate how attractive a guy in a suit of armour is. Plenty of fanservice there for us ladies.
If the game is not even released yet, how do you know if it's worth playing from only an initial alpha test? Is it true Nexon pays you to make these videos?
wait i was so hyped for V2 QQ i cant believe its not an mmo
its look amazing, i loved vindictus
I was thinking exactly what you were when I heard about this: Take Vindictus' combat system, put it in UE5, and let us go to town. I mean Vindictus was hardly an MMO anyway, it was more of a MORPG. It's just running down various linear levels beating things up anyway. Just make it a co-op game like the first one already was and simplify some of the system bloat Vindictus suffers from and they have a formula for a pretty good game.