Is Wing Chun Trapping REALLY Useless?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- www.londonwing... ► Trapping hands is a popular aspect of Wing Chun, but is it really useful? This video examines the real value of Wing Chun Trapping and how it may be useful in understanding how people move and punch. By definition this Wing Chun technique is the action of crossing and trapping your attacker’s arms. So, trapping may be more effective and relative to a self defence confrontation than a boxing, kickboxing, or mixed martial arts (mma) contest. So, why do many people feel think that trapping is useless and outdated martial arts technique?
Well partly because there is a misunderstanding of the action of trapping. In fact, the idea of Wing Chun trapping is shrouded by the myth that once applied your attacker will be magically incapable of moving. Of course the reality is that any person who has their arms trapped will fight frantically to free them. There is no martial arts magic in play.
The concept of Trapping is more ingenious than a simple trick in which you think you have rendered your attackers arms incapable. Trapping in Wing Chun develops your awareness of time, space, and energy. Read our blog to see how trapping relates to these martial arts attributes.
Tapping is essentially the ability to control space as a useful self defence technique. Trapping is useful for self defence because it allows the cross the arms of the attacker. If their arms are crossed then they will find it very difficult to swing punches at you. Hence, your attacker cannot defend against your counter attack. However, you only have a split second in which to follow up when you trap the person’s arms, so use it wisely.
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Trapping is not a objective it's an opportunity in time ..
Wing Chun's trapping is especially effective in grappling. When you're mounted on someone and they're trying to cover their face but you still wanna hit them lol
The main argument against trapping is that it is difficult to execute against a skilled boxer's jab as the boxer or MMA fighter retracts his punches, "punches in bunches" or combinations, and uses superior footwork to get in and out of range and nullify the ideal conditions for trapping. Or a grappler who will nullify you by closing the distance. Take away space is the BJJ credo. All valid and true.
But consider when you watch street assault videos on TH-cam. Chances are you are not going to be jacked on the street by a skilled boxer or grappler. Possible? Yes. But not probable.
Most street fights or assaults are by punks throwing wild punches.
A lot of unskilled attackers will throw haymakers, unwieldy punches, sucker punches with stiff arms, and overextended. This is where trapping will work. I'm not talking fancy trapping combos. I mean simple slap parries and checking.
Then counterpunching or, if you grapple, then going into.a clinch and controlling the arms.
It's about context. Trapping is a legitimate and useful skill but only when applied within its context and as an intermediary move to your follow up or counter. An art completely revolving around trapping is myopic.
The best way to outsmart a boxer is to know how to box, and the best way to thwart a grappler is to learn how to grapple.
The best way to thwart a street attack is to avoid problems to begin with, and knowing a range of skills that are street defense specific.
It's better when you are well rounded in striking grappling and wrestling, then you can apply trapping very effectively. That's what Bruce Lee encouraged, master the basics first. There is trapping in boxing anyway after all
Love the "punches in bunches" saying. Sometimes our training partners can be too nice to us by throwing only one punch ;)
But should you actively go looking to trap your opponent's arms? I always thought that trapping should happen almost by accident. You'll send your fists towards your opponent and either hit him in the face, or you'll make contact with his arms which engages your chi-sao reactions (i.e. trapping, absorbing, counter-attacking etc). Awesome videos, keep em' coming! :D
I agree. It's a mistake seeking out a complex trap. It's better to just react and let it naturally happen.
***** "Punches in Bunches" is the reality and key to self defence training. As for your question. As a rule it's not a good idea to actively look for any Wing Chun technique. If you do you're likely to fix your own movement and run the risk of being hit in an exchange.
As you know Wing Chun is a martial art based on adaptation, we simply adapt to what is presented to us. So, in the case of a self defence situation, what you described its use is on point. Basically take what is given but never make the assumption that your technique will work all the time against everyone.
However, the point we're trying to make is that training trapping has benefits beyond it's physical application. in particular a greater awareness of your attackers energy and movement. So it has great value.
Thanks again for the kind words.
The answer to the question has been answered hundreds of times over the past few decades in the UFC.
The answer is it works very rarely, and isn’t worth spending much time training. Maybe something that barely resembles a pak sao, might be seen once in a while. If it was effective and deemed useful, it would be seen in most striking sports.
When people punch in bunches you can use your punch to intercept there attack on the inside line of there punch. That would be on the outside or inside of the attack. The wing chun punch would be a deflective shield as well as an offensive weapon. The Wing chun saying is hit where you see motion.
+Anthony Allen yes very true, thank you for adding. You just need to be aware of the position of your elbow relative to the line or swing of the punch. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for reply well appreciated
I use to train at the hq my sifu was James Sinclair he open my eyes to the art and I used to struggle training due to working long hours but I realise now that even If i could only attend one lesson a week I should of just accepted that as A little bit of training is better then none it's been two years now gone so quick it's a waste I was training around the time of the 25 th anniversary and did meet you there now it's 30 year anniversary can't believe how much I've missed but I have moved closer to your school now so I was going to go talk to Sinclair about coming down to your school hope to see you soon but for now have to keep to my solo training with help from your vids
Danny Wing Chun Danny, James Sinclair Sifu is a real authority on Wing Chun so you've had some brilliant guidance that I'm sure will be useful, so don't worry about missing so much time. The main thing is that you continue to train and self practice your Wing Chun in your own space as that's really where you make your improvements in Wing Chun. In the meantime, you'll always be welcome at the London Wing Chun Academy. We have a great bunch of students training with a wide range of multi discipline classes.
I like the double crossed forearms Trap to headbutt, personally
Nice vid saying you can trap any part of the body is a point most people miss the bridge is any part that sticks with opponent would you agree?
Thanks for these video its helping me a lot with home training hope to get back to training soon
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Danny Wing Chun Absolutely, a bridge is any form of contact between two bodies. Of course, the bridge is likely with an arm (sao) or a leg (gerk). Hence, why some Wing Chun practitioners also seek a bridge with low Kicks. You're welcome Danny, just keep practising what your Sifu has taught you and I'm sure you'll easily fit back into the class. Who is your Sifu?
Whenever I hit with the vertical fist punch with the bottom three knuckles it always hurts my ring finger knuckle even if they all land at the same time how do I stop that from happening
Trapping does work, but most wc execution is wrong.
Any chance Of a vid about shifting when you have a much larger opponent which over powers you and charges in and gets a hold of you and maybe if shifting fails maybe use some sort of throw like a hip throw or something you might use in your sanda class any info or vid would be great
Danny Wing Chun Sure we can look at this technique for you. Just to clarify what is the situation? Is it in Wing Chun Chi Sao, Gor Sao or fighting? San Da is slightly different context and we do plan a video on Throws for San Da which will cover the hip throw. If you could clarify, then we'll plan a video for you covering these Wing Chun techniques.
what if someone punch to your face at a very fast speed and power that you can't even transform it?i learned wing chun and i found that not all teachers are good.
the reason why constantly trying to trap people is a bad thing is because trapping hands is only good if its for a split second. trying to reach out to trap someone's punches will result in you being faked or being punched from all angles.. it is very difficult to trap a person's jab or even a cross . just like how aikido is useless as in you can't catch the punch, it is difficult to trap all punches. maybe it will work against an untrained beginner if you keep hard sparring in wing chun but the thing is , against a trained attacker, this wing chun stuff wont work.. the goal of learning fighting to me is to beat trained fighters.. not people who dont know what they are doing
+CombatFitness Completely agree that learning how to fight requires that you can actually fight someone trained to do so to see if it works. That's always been our ethos here, and we have tested Wing Chun in many different ways and it has held up. As for trapping its a given that you can't trap a punch or reach out for an arm to trap. Trapping is only possible in very limited circumstances which relates more so to clinch fighting. Thanks for watching.
Fight SCIENCE has it been tested in a muay thai fight? or a kickboxing fight? note how i mentioned these 2 styles because of the lack of wresting. and wing chun does have some leg take downs that are not wrestling based.. more like off balancing. so has it been tested in a high level of competition ? because many years ago thailand competed with china and china's best masters were beat down .. ALL lost to muay thai. that is why china invented SANDA to counter muay thai.
+CombatFitness Yes it has. We have a San Da team that competes at a National level. We also have guys training for their first pro MMA fights. Modern training is far removed from the old school Wing Chun that you are thinking of.
Fight SCIENCE alright that is all cool. all the best! i support anything that is credible and real..
+CombatFitness Thank you very much. We have a few videos on San Da related training if you are interested. We haven't focused much on this type of content, but we will be returning to it again in the future. Have a great day.
the Problem is the student dont resist at all. He soften the arms and let the master apply his tecniques. This will never happen in a real fight and never ever trust a master who only shows the trapping. He should also show the defence against trapping in the same video.
So you mean it is basically a training technique instead of "field applicable" one? Do I understand it correctly?
TFGhunter We're emphasising the value of training trapping in Wing Chun. There's so many benefits of training Wing Chun trapping, these include the awareness and development of reaction time, space/distance, and energy. These are all key to controlling a person in a self defence situation. If you can make it work in a 'field applicable' situation then great, but we're suggesting that we look at the benefits of training it in Wing Chun. What are your thoughts?
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Well, I agree with the great benefit to train WC trapping. And I know it's extremely difficult to trap someone's hand when he keeps punching, especially when he is a boxer or using some martial arts in which his fist retracts immediately.
For me it's more practical to use trapping only when facing a weaker opponent or when you have to seize the opponent .
Just wondering if it really don't have a place in a intensive fight.
Thank you for your reply!
My reaction would be a head butt...
In the real world trapping would not work. May be it worked in the old days but not in todays time.
doesnt work. if it works we would have already seen it over the years in MMA.
it works. Today seals and german special forces are learning wing chun. They do not train for fun or MMA.
Blood Rage MMA is a sport you idiot. Wing Chun isn't.
Blood Rage yep
Norm De Plume what he means is if someone used it and it was good all pros would if pros have never then theres something better, also youve never been in a fight i can tell this wont work
Eric McBride yer dumb
No, I love doing that and there is almost always a way to see the hands of your opponent crossed - even so slightly - and can use it.
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