i have found some that are a bit small and sharper than those, I think they may have been drills and some are fire starters. I find them near all those little stone with holes...
When I post artifacts that look a like what you have I get all the no not all's telling me they are just geofacts, I know just like you do what to look for and these types of people must get a kick out of saying things they know nothing about. You have a lot of great finds you are showing us. God Bless.
Hello Brent! Aspiring explorer here. I grew up artifact hunting in PA my whole life! I found a rock that’s L shaped like a club head. In this video you have two of them! The few people that insist are “experts” have been rude and not very helpful!… I figure you probably won’t see this message, but if you do.. did you ever find out what those two similar club looking rocks were? Thanks!
@TreeStandMan1023 They could have been clubs? Many of the tools I find I'm not totally sure of their use. I just know they are tools used for something. Maybe one of the EXPERTS will know🤣
@@brentkuehne435 the only problem for me trying to find help is that I go to Facebook artifact groups and 90% of them are full on snobby/jealpus/rude knot it alls…😂 I’ve posted what we thinks are club heads on multiple groups and it’s about 50/50. Some tell me I’m dumb and that it’s just a natural rock, even though it’s a perfect 90 degree cut and you can see layers were chipped away at. And then the other 50% believe it’s an artifact but don’t know what kind of tool it is!.. I did my first ever dig site by myself this spring and found 23 whole points that look like they were never used, tons of broken points, some interesting net weights, broken bits of pottery, a really decent in shape celt, and then tons of different stones I believe to be tool artifacts but I don’t have the best knowledge in tools. I’m still learning! Is there anyway I could contact you through email or FB and you could help me possibly decipher some of my collection? Thanks!
My feeling from all the artifacts collected here in CA. are those two pieces were probably hafted as some type of hammers. The natives made all sorts of rock breaking and chiseling tools. This is my guess. I have found about 5 of the exact same shaped tools as those two. Thanks for the video. I learned from you about the oils from the hands and grinding of nuts--this makes a lot of sense.
I find those tyoe too. But, in south Mississippi, they are smaller due to the fact that that area of the country doesn't naturally contain large rocks.
Thanks for sharing. With all due respect, I think many of what you call 'grinding stones' are actually more likely to be knapping stones. Knapping stones are rarely ever mentioned yet they are likely to be most common artifact in the world, imo. One helpful way of determining if they are knapping stones is put your right hand out, as if holding an imaginary gun. Then place the rock in your right hand in the most comfortable position possible that fits in the hand while mostly keeping the right hand in the same position (as if holding a gun)(ergonomics are huge in helping determine the use of ancient stone tools). After that, look at the opposite side of the stone: if it is rounded and warn while also being hard and not too smooth so that it will get a good grip on the rock being struck, then it is most likely a knapping stone. One key to determining the use of most stone tools, is ergonomics. Fit the stone in your hand the way it fits best then look at the other end. Very few were hafted. Most were simply hand tools. Fit the tool in your hand using the invisible gun technique or as if you are skipping a rock. Thumb and index finger about two inches apart and the middle finger being the support underneath. If you make the gesture with your hand with nothing in and look down at your hand, it should look like a lower case (a). The tip of the middle finger should be no more than two inches away from the thumb. Sometimes, like with the Tiger Stone, the pointer finger will extend out straight along what I call the spine of the stone. The narrow end is the handle. It should fit perfectly into your right hand 'pistol grip'. One more note: safety was a factor as well, perhaps the main factor, to consider with knapping stones. Along with the stones usually feeling comfortable in the hand, there also needs to be a safety element. This usually simple means that the stone is shaped in a way so that when you use it to strike another stone, your fingers will always be safely out of the way.
Brent you have a great channel. I am curious how you ballpark age some of your finds like the black rock used to apply clay to baskets approx. 4,000 years old. I think I may have some late archaic/paleo tools only because of the size (would not make sense to use on small game) and found in creek 12-15 ft. below ground level. Is there a resource you could recommend to get more info?
It's difficult to ballpark dates on artifacts. When it comes to the pottery trowels, the Stallings culture that were about 100 miles south of here was the first known culture to make pottery in North America. They existed 4 to 5 thousand years ago. They used stone trowels to line the inside of baskets with clay. Then they would burn away the basket, which would leave the clay pot.
As in most parts of the country, occupation goes as far back as paleo, if not further. Much of what I find is late archaic to late Woodland. This was the time when the cultures were transitioning to an agrarian way of life. Many of these tools were used for either planting or processing grains, nuts, seeds, and dried beans. Mississippian, Creek, and Cherokee were prominent over the past two thousand years.
I find many tools on a creek in south Mississippi. However, the common rocks in that area are much smaller on average in comparison to the ones you have in your area. Interestingly, it seems they must have gotten larger rocks from somewhere else bc most of the largest rocks are tools and walking along, they seem very much out of the ordinary as far as size. These larger than average rocks I find are almost always tools. I've learned a lot from you. Thank you for opening my eyes, so to speak. I used to only search for chipped tools. Lol
In the late archaic, most cultures in the south and east transitioned to an agrarian lifestyle. This is widely known, but what is seldom talked about is the proliferation of hard stone tools that were needed for this transition. There was at least four thousand years of new and innovative tools being made to support the transition. Seems as if there are only a few people that are interested in collecting and studying these artifacts?
@brentkuehne435 Thanks for the info on the agrarian switch. That makes sense. It seems odd to me that so few people are interested in these tools. I feel as though the academic people in universities are reluctant to acknowledge these tools bc they would, in many cases, be undermining their whole life's work, including their studies and their teachings. People have a tendency to not want to undermine themselves. This same concept would apply to people who have spent years searching for napped tools only.
I think many rocks have been used as tools but fail to be recognized due to the fact that they are not the prettiest or most defined. Today, I don't always buy the best most expensive tools but they are tools and I use them. Here in the southwest AZ specifically has a massive irrigation system that was built and maintained. I'm positive many tools were just average quality, like my tools today. I find these just as interesting and collectable as any in a museum. BTW, I occasionally use these old tools to hang a picture, pound earth away to free another rock, or crush a nut shell open. I'm not building an irrigation system but .. LoL
Those two aren't the only two. We see those posted all the time at The Other Artifacts on Facebook. We believe they are hafted hammerstones or weapons made in the likeness of pachyderm. Cool finds!
I don't, awe any 😅evidence of knapping, or any evidence of alteration by man at all. What are you basing your classification of each item. I hear slot of misinformation.
The 2 at 8:10!!! I have one exactly like them!😮 Mines from PA
Same, but from Fingerlakes NY
i have found some that are a bit small and sharper than those, I think they may have been drills and some are fire starters. I find them near all those little stone with holes...
Thank you Sir for making this videos, I'm very grateful. I'm always looking when I go hiking 😊
When I post artifacts that look a like what you have I get all the no not all's telling me they are just geofacts, I know just like you do what to look for and these types of people must get a kick out of saying things they know nothing about.
You have a lot of great finds you are showing us.
God Bless.
There are times when I am not sure, but not very often. Keep learning and have fun with it!
Hello Brent! Aspiring explorer here. I grew up artifact hunting in PA my whole life! I found a rock that’s L shaped like a club head. In this video you have two of them! The few people that insist are “experts” have been rude and not very helpful!… I figure you probably won’t see this message, but if you do.. did you ever find out what those two similar club looking rocks were? Thanks!
@TreeStandMan1023 They could have been clubs? Many of the tools I find I'm not totally sure of their use. I just know they are tools used for something. Maybe one of the EXPERTS will know🤣
@@brentkuehne435 the only problem for me trying to find help is that I go to Facebook artifact groups and 90% of them are full on snobby/jealpus/rude knot it alls…😂 I’ve posted what we thinks are club heads on multiple groups and it’s about 50/50. Some tell me I’m dumb and that it’s just a natural rock, even though it’s a perfect 90 degree cut and you can see layers were chipped away at. And then the other 50% believe it’s an artifact but don’t know what kind of tool it is!.. I did my first ever dig site by myself this spring and found 23 whole points that look like they were never used, tons of broken points, some interesting net weights, broken bits of pottery, a really decent in shape celt, and then tons of different stones I believe to be tool artifacts but I don’t have the best knowledge in tools. I’m still learning! Is there anyway I could contact you through email or FB and you could help me possibly decipher some of my collection? Thanks!
Great cleanup video. I always learn so much from them. 🙂
Hope you're doing well
Yes, much better! Now, if I can do something about my age 😅
Heck yes! Fantastic work friend
A great video thanks for sharing your knowledge. This was very interesting. Thanks again Bryan Kitchen Houston Texas
Glad I came across your channel.
The rock at 8:28 is indeed a club head sometimes the are sharpened I have like 30-40 of them find them all over central Texas
Thanks for the comment! Good luck with your hunting.
These are the ones I thought might be banner stones
My feeling from all the artifacts collected here in CA. are those two pieces were probably hafted as some type of hammers. The natives made all sorts of rock breaking and chiseling tools. This is my guess. I have found about 5 of the exact same shaped tools as those two. Thanks for the video. I learned from you about the oils from the hands and grinding of nuts--this makes a lot of sense.
Could be hafted? Thanks for the comment!
I find those tyoe too. But, in south Mississippi, they are smaller due to the fact that that area of the country doesn't naturally contain large rocks.
I collect a lot of those here in Arizona. I've wondered if they were banner stones.
An all bird stone video would be cool. Or all animal effigies
Thanks for sharing. With all due respect, I think many of what you call 'grinding stones' are actually more likely to be knapping stones. Knapping stones are rarely ever mentioned yet they are likely to be most common artifact in the world, imo.
One helpful way of determining if they are knapping stones is put your right hand out, as if holding an imaginary gun. Then place the rock in your right hand in the most comfortable position possible that fits in the hand while mostly keeping the right hand in the same position (as if holding a gun)(ergonomics are huge in helping determine the use of ancient stone tools).
After that, look at the opposite side of the stone: if it is rounded and warn while also being hard and not too smooth so that it will get a good grip on the rock being struck, then it is most likely a knapping stone.
One key to determining the use of most stone tools, is ergonomics. Fit the stone in your hand the way it fits best then look at the other end. Very few were hafted. Most were simply hand tools. Fit the tool in your hand using the invisible gun technique or as if you are skipping a rock. Thumb and index finger about two inches apart and the middle finger being the support underneath. If you make the gesture with your hand with nothing in and look down at your hand, it should look like a lower case (a). The tip of the middle finger should be no more than two inches away from the thumb. Sometimes, like with the Tiger Stone, the pointer finger will extend out straight along what I call the spine of the stone. The narrow end is the handle. It should fit perfectly into your right hand 'pistol grip'.
One more note: safety was a factor as well, perhaps the main factor, to consider with knapping stones. Along with the stones usually feeling comfortable in the hand, there also needs to be a safety element. This usually simple means that the stone is shaped in a way so that when you use it to strike another stone, your fingers will always be safely out of the way.
I see these safety features often. As though you can strike with it, but if you glance off or miss, the fingers don't hit.
Brent you have a great channel. I am curious how you ballpark age some of your finds like the black rock used to apply clay to baskets approx. 4,000 years old. I think I may have some late archaic/paleo tools only because of the size (would not make sense to use on small game) and found in creek 12-15 ft. below ground level. Is there a resource you could recommend to get more info?
It's difficult to ballpark dates on artifacts. When it comes to the pottery trowels, the Stallings culture that were about 100 miles south of here was the first known culture to make pottery in North America. They existed 4 to 5 thousand years ago. They used stone trowels to line the inside of baskets with clay. Then they would burn away the basket, which would leave the clay pot.
Are these tools considered connected to a particular tribe
As in most parts of the country, occupation goes as far back as paleo, if not further. Much of what I find is late archaic to late Woodland. This was the time when the cultures were transitioning to an agrarian way of life. Many of these tools were used for either planting or processing grains, nuts, seeds, and dried beans. Mississippian, Creek, and Cherokee were prominent over the past two thousand years.
I find many tools on a creek in south Mississippi. However, the common rocks in that area are much smaller on average in comparison to the ones you have in your area. Interestingly, it seems they must have gotten larger rocks from somewhere else bc most of the largest rocks are tools and walking along, they seem very much out of the ordinary as far as size. These larger than average rocks I find are almost always tools. I've learned a lot from you. Thank you for opening my eyes, so to speak. I used to only search for chipped tools. Lol
In the late archaic, most cultures in the south and east transitioned to an agrarian lifestyle. This is widely known, but what is seldom talked about is the proliferation of hard stone tools that were needed for this transition. There was at least four thousand years of new and innovative tools being made to support the transition. Seems as if there are only a few people that are interested in collecting and studying these artifacts?
@brentkuehne435 Thanks for the info on the agrarian switch. That makes sense. It seems odd to me that so few people are interested in these tools. I feel as though the academic people in universities are reluctant to acknowledge these tools bc they would, in many cases, be undermining their whole life's work, including their studies and their teachings. People have a tendency to not want to undermine themselves. This same concept would apply to people who have spent years searching for napped tools only.
I think many rocks have been used as tools but fail to be recognized due to the fact that they are not the prettiest or most defined. Today, I don't always buy the best most expensive tools but they are tools and I use them.
Here in the southwest AZ specifically has a massive irrigation system that was built and maintained. I'm positive many tools were just average quality, like my tools today.
I find these just as interesting and collectable as any in a museum.
BTW, I occasionally use these old tools to hang a picture, pound earth away to free another rock, or crush a nut shell open. I'm not building an irrigation system but .. LoL
Those two aren't the only two. We see those posted all the time at The Other Artifacts on Facebook. We believe they are hafted hammerstones or weapons made in the likeness of pachyderm. Cool finds!
Thanks for the comment!
I find an collect the tools, like you do. I love tools Like gaint indian below i the comments People see mine an Oh thats just Rocks... We Know Thanks
Those hafted ones looked like hammers from the wear
Could be? Thanks for the comment!
I don't, awe any 😅evidence of knapping, or any evidence of alteration by man at all. What are you basing your classification of each item. I hear slot of misinformation.
@louiedebono6122 Knapping? Hardstone tools are almost never knaped. Chipped, pecked, and polished. There is information out there if you look!