Pretty sure the highest alpha damage is actually the dominance laser scatter gun setup. I can also verify that unlike this setup it actually slaps quite hard.
Strife (not Sledge) mass drivers were forgotten when all other mass drivers and tachyon cannons were nerfed down from 6000m range to 1500m or less during 3.23 EPTU. Strifes still have 5500m range and 5000m/s speed. Sledges and Singes are a mere shadow of their early versions. Tachyons and mass drivers are very clunky at the moment because they require a full charge and fire automatically when they are charged and also require a pause after shooting before you can fire again (and there's no visual indicator for it). Early during 3.23 EPTU you could hold the button for up to 5 seconds after fully charging and release when you wanted. All that was nerfed into the ground, a bit more with every iteration.
The size 3 and Size 2 cannons were recharging at different rates, making it almost impossible to fire them all at once. I was never a fan of cannons and my opinion hasn't changed one bit after seeing this video.
Yes, very interesting. Thank you for testing that configuration out. We now know what not use! It is a shame that you can only make use of a few select weapons and ships. There are lot of options out there, but there are some that are a clear death trap, so therefore it really is not an option....Just an illusion!
they are completely useless in every way compared to other guns, just like the new ion, the fact that you cant even hold at max charge for a brief moment (either to aim or make different sized weapons shoot at the same time) says it all, they couldnt care less about this type of weapon.
@@BS-deadly it's not on the pledge store for me. Neither as a standalone nor CCU/upgrade. Many people said that players that handed in a golden ticket after the event have to wait for a special sale like IAE to get the option to buy it
Mass drivers are great. and can be incredibly OP since they have a longer range than most stealth ships emissions. They are best used as stealth snipers. Check out what Cpt Foxyloxy did with them. Very interesting to see they dont mesh well with the F8. Thanks for the vid
The change to auto fire on full charge instead of hold to fire ruined these. Plus they just dont work right on the f8c together, i tried this setup hopeful it would be fun and need careful aim but its too hard to time shots now and they are basically useless.Another case of where CIG dont seem to know what they really want sonething to do. They also dont seem to align weapon characteristics with in game descriptions in line with lore or in meaningful way, this is really annoying.
there are many useless guns. which make me think cig going to do rework on every weapons. so out of 20 only 4-5 are usable so yea hopefully cig will fix weapons before 4.0
Seems the way they do balancing is each weapon by hand. Probably why they decided to start over and just flatlined all weapons a couple years ago. It should be a pretty simple XML data document edit if they did it like an accountant would. Get your DPS number for each weapon on the data sheet. None should be standout compared to same sized weapons. If so, fix it. Can have some cannons that fire slower but more alpha, some repeaters that have faster projectiles but less alpha. Again should be easy. Behring does high alpha low RPM, Kroneg does low alpha high rpm. You can do all sizes according to the MFG engineering choices. Each laser cannon for Behring does highest alpha and lowest RPM, each laser cannon for Kroneg does lowest alpha and highest rpm. Whatever the percentage change is for the next size up, you have all your data already done after you complete the s1 weapons. Filling out the entire spreadsheet of weapons should take no more than 10 minutes. Then, if you want TTK to go down, adjust entire document by 10% increase in the DPS colum. Should take about 3.7 seconds to complete no matter how long the XML document is. Clearly this is not something they do as they missed the strife drivers. MAYBE it was on purpose, but I doubt it. Not like it would be the first time.
Too slow and way too cumbersome to use with charge up and shot timing. Sadly also reminds me of my Ares Ion gun, slowly charging then shooting. It is not useless or low damage, but feels next to useless, because it is incredibly clunky, slow and unsatisfying.
12 years and nothing... only the same excuse that it's alfa at this point it's just sad + based on history if it will start working on 20% they will introduce MasterModes version2 which will throw away 99% of what was done before... :S
Pretty sure the highest alpha damage is actually the dominance laser scatter gun setup. I can also verify that unlike this setup it actually slaps quite hard.
Yeah, this was the highest at 3.23 now it is nerfed to the ground. o7
Strife (not Sledge) mass drivers were forgotten when all other mass drivers and tachyon cannons were nerfed down from 6000m range to 1500m or less during 3.23 EPTU. Strifes still have 5500m range and 5000m/s speed. Sledges and Singes are a mere shadow of their early versions.
Tachyons and mass drivers are very clunky at the moment because they require a full charge and fire automatically when they are charged and also require a pause after shooting before you can fire again (and there's no visual indicator for it). Early during 3.23 EPTU you could hold the button for up to 5 seconds after fully charging and release when you wanted. All that was nerfed into the ground, a bit more with every iteration.
Thanks for the info, yeah they seem to joke with us. Here is an amazing sniper weapon ...
Naaaah just kidding we are nerfing it completely
LOL, "recording has started".. I thought my computer had grown a mind of its own for a second...
The size 3 and Size 2 cannons were recharging at different rates, making it almost impossible to fire them all at once. I was never a fan of cannons and my opinion hasn't changed one bit after seeing this video.
Yes, very interesting. Thank you for testing that configuration out. We now know what not use! It is a shame that you can only make use of a few select weapons and ships. There are lot of options out there, but there are some that are a clear death trap, so therefore it really is not an option....Just an illusion!
Glad it serves you. Yeah exactly. They need to change this as soon as possible. o7
they are completely useless in every way compared to other guns, just like the new ion, the fact that you cant even hold at max charge for a brief moment (either to aim or make different sized weapons shoot at the same time) says it all, they couldnt care less about this type of weapon.
Can you do best ERT for the hornet MK2 I've not got the 7A
You mean best setup for Hornet for ERT ? Check my videos. For best DPS go deadbolts.
@infinitespace239 I'm struggling against ships getting fucked up
@@BS-deadly Check your components, also ERT is not easy to do with Hornet alone. o7
Yer I was trying to do the priority missions to see if I can get the free upgrade for the MK2
what’s the best loadout for it now ?
@@zKudoo Depends what you want to do. PVP or PVE. I like all deadbolts for PVE, PVP NDB 30 and 28 or even try mixed lodaut. o7
@@infinitespace239 mainly for PVP
@@infinitespace239 yea mainly for PVP
I recently turned in the golden ticket. I hope the next special sale allows me to buy the f8... i want it so bad :D
If you've handed in a golden ticket you can buy it straight away
@@BS-deadly it's not on the pledge store for me. Neither as a standalone nor CCU/upgrade.
Many people said that players that handed in a golden ticket after the event have to wait for a special sale like IAE to get the option to buy it
@@BS-deadlyI’ve also turned in the golden ticket and have not had access to purchase the F8.
@aaronschmitz241 go on to the try standad ships you can't upgrade pledge for it
@@BS-deadly I’ve tried that already 😭. Looked everywhere on the website. No option to purchase it for me
Mass drivers are great. and can be incredibly OP since they have a longer range than most stealth ships emissions. They are best used as stealth snipers. Check out what Cpt Foxyloxy did with them.
Very interesting to see they dont mesh well with the F8. Thanks for the vid
that is only on the strafe s2, all over mass drivers only have a max range of 1.5k
@@mrvei-vg7et ahh yeah thats right. Didn't notice the name difference
The change to auto fire on full charge instead of hold to fire ruined these. Plus they just dont work right on the f8c together, i tried this setup hopeful it would be fun and need careful aim but its too hard to time shots now and they are basically useless.Another case of where CIG dont seem to know what they really want sonething to do. They also dont seem to align weapon characteristics with in game descriptions in line with lore or in meaningful way, this is really annoying.
Ha great vid love the f8. Too bad the mass drivers are no use.
Thanks, yeah, I am so disappointed hopefully it will be better. o7
You had max power to shields.
It is a ballistic weapon. It doesn't matter.
there are many useless guns. which make me think cig going to do rework on every weapons. so out of 20 only 4-5 are usable so yea hopefully cig will fix weapons before 4.0
I think only in 4.0 we can hope
Seems the way they do balancing is each weapon by hand. Probably why they decided to start over and just flatlined all weapons a couple years ago. It should be a pretty simple XML data document edit if they did it like an accountant would. Get your DPS number for each weapon on the data sheet. None should be standout compared to same sized weapons. If so, fix it. Can have some cannons that fire slower but more alpha, some repeaters that have faster projectiles but less alpha. Again should be easy. Behring does high alpha low RPM, Kroneg does low alpha high rpm. You can do all sizes according to the MFG engineering choices. Each laser cannon for Behring does highest alpha and lowest RPM, each laser cannon for Kroneg does lowest alpha and highest rpm. Whatever the percentage change is for the next size up, you have all your data already done after you complete the s1 weapons. Filling out the entire spreadsheet of weapons should take no more than 10 minutes. Then, if you want TTK to go down, adjust entire document by 10% increase in the DPS colum. Should take about 3.7 seconds to complete no matter how long the XML document is. Clearly this is not something they do as they missed the strife drivers. MAYBE it was on purpose, but I doubt it. Not like it would be the first time.
this was...disapointing
But keep on doing your vids. I like it.
Too slow and way too cumbersome to use with charge up and shot timing. Sadly also reminds me of my Ares Ion gun, slowly charging then shooting. It is not useless or low damage, but feels next to useless, because it is incredibly clunky, slow and unsatisfying.
thet weapons, beter in gimbal mode, slow and powerfull
They are not powerful they just look like that, shame.
12 years and nothing... only the same excuse that it's alfa at this point it's just sad + based on history if it will start working on 20% they will introduce MasterModes version2 which will throw away 99% of what was done before... :S
Master Modes were a huge step back. No question about it.