Eye-Rollingly Dumb Thing People Say About Sport Jiu-Jitsu & BJJ
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- Recently one of my newer White Belts competed in a BJJ competition. And while he was competing he made a few blunders with his guard pulling. Par for the course when it comes to a newer competitor trying to hit a technique in the intensity of sport Jiu-Jitsu. What was funny though is as he won the match the people on the other team criticized his techniques because "it wouldn't work on the streets."
And this my friend is one of the most annoying things I hear people in Brazilian Jiu-jitsu say about others who are competing in sport Jiu-Jitsu. Because of course, many sports moves won't work in a self-defense situation or fight. That's a given. But during a competition we aren't in a street fight, we are involved in a sport Jiu-jitsu match.
I share my own ideas about the whole self-defense vs sport Jiu-Jitsu thing but I'd love to hear some of the things you hear said about Brazilian Jiujitsu (whether from other BJJ players or other martial arts).
So leave a comment with something people say about BJJ that make you just roll your eyes.
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"I wouldnt let a grappler get close enough to grab me"
In other words "I'd run away immediately"
lolol that's not going to happen
@@aidandixon6028 lmao perfect! Altercation avoided 😂
My friends said something similar to me a while back when I went and visited him. So popped my mouth guard in and made him put some gloves on. He couldn't even stay on his feet half a minute and I've only been doing this a year or so
@@dungpie8326 gotta say, well done. Been doing BJJ for about six months now. Still really suck at it LOL
"My nephew just got his black belt. He is in grade 6."
(Wrong martial art, but thanks).
@@BookofTerrors maybe he's just really dumb and failed 6th grade and was held back like 8 times?
Highly doubtful
No he didn’t, it was a coral belt.
@@jitsapprentice4034 Haha! I thought (to start with) that you missed my sarcasm. You didn't! Do some people think that I am claiming the stupid thing I am mocking?
"I'd rather do something that's more active, like mma" came from a dude who never even rolled a 3 min round in his life
😂😂 oh jesus that is hilarious
Man, bjj is the most intense activity I ever done.
I did stand up forever and even did some wrestling in HS - but when I rolled fist time with a purple belt, I was like LMAO!!! - people have no freaking clue how skilled these guys are.
3 min crucibles for 15 min that will have you dead AF
lol, I'm in great cardio shape, thought I was going to have a heart attack after my first sparring session
"this wouldn't work on me bro. I would just see red bro. You don't know my mentality bro"
Remember what happens when your ego gets in the way mid roll when you are getting smashed? 😆😂 it happens from time to time
This is my favorite
I hear this one all the time too! I feel like most these people haven't really fought or atleast fought a skilled opponent. After doing so I'm sure they'll change their mind!
I had a co-worker at my old job who said that line all the time. He always bragged about street fights he used to get into.
“I don’t need to train, bro. I have a bad temper.”
I hear this less and less. I thank the ufc.
“Size and strength don’t matter in Jiu Jitsu” is probably the dumbest statement I’ve ever heard in my life lol.
Literally. A lot of technical aspects can be made up with size. A 150 pound person mounted on you is a whole different world than a 220
Abilities and experience do matter. A big and strong black belt would know how to handle a small one.
Strength + technique > technique
Depends on a the skill levels, a 150 pound upper belt can toss a 220 pluss guy who is a lower belt, it really depends on the skill levels
@@richiesmooth8574 Unless that big blackbelt is ur average blackbelt v a competitive small Brown belt who podiums the worlds then big blak belt gets his ass destroyed
It's always funny when people bring up biting, eye pokes and groin kicks/punches and somehow not realize that the BJJ player can literally do the same stuff but also control you and pin you down at the same time 😂
Don't forget the ancient and deadly art of "throat punches". Everyone knows that when your opponent is executing a guillotine from guard you can make them let go by punching their throat. 🤭
I sometimes throw in a little ear lobe nibble when passing half guard in sparring to make it more realistic.
I saw a video where Keenan made this same point. Like yeah, he can bite and gouge your eyes too. He's just gonna do it while on your back , and you can't get him off or do literally anything to stop him.
That's really a half-truth. Grappling works at a snails' pace and it ties up both of your arms to have any chance of working. Once both of your arms are busy trying to attack the strongest parts of the body the defender is free to ignore your arms and just attack the weakest parts of your body. A lot of grappling is based on the idea that the defender will try to fight off your arms instead of hurting you directly and they are not exactly wrong; it is a fairly natural response to start pulling at the arms of someone who is rape choking you instead of elbowing or eye gouging them and it might be too late once they try another escape. With that said, unless you have four arms like Goro in Mortal Kombat, you cannot work some elaborate submission and be fish hooking someone at the same time. I don't think even strongmen are that powerful that they could submit someone with arm and cheap shot them with another. Once a certain submission reaches its final stage, there is a good chance that reversing it with an illegal hold is impossible but this would depend on the move. This is also the reason why Jeff Speakman, upon upgrading his kempo system with ground fighting techniques, only wanted to add the kinds of techniques that he felt would not be foiled by reversals banned in competition.
@@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252 this is supposed to be a joke right? If not, go test your theories at A.K.A!
Nothing works in the streets for these guys. Not even MMA since “they’re wearing gloves”. Thankfully they can impart their wisdom to us in the comment section by telling us exactly how they would take on multiple attackers.
The thing is almost everything works in the right context, whether that's on the str33tz or anywhere else.
Obviously if self defence is your goal higher % techniques should be your focus
@@digs1223 or if their so paranoid about da streetz they will be thinking of how to avoid confrontation in the first place
Those are the same guys that run away in shock when they witness an actual assault one somebody who needs help.
Where are these guys getting in all these street fights?? I lived in some shitty areas, and have really never been in a fight where the dude didn't wanna continue after a judo throw.. I dont do martial arts 4 da streetz, I do it because its fun as fuck
"Jujitsu doesnt work on me i would just stand up"
Hahahaha.... oh, this is good!
Heard that one alot. I think my dad even said it hahaha
Judo player " "
- Derrick Lewis
Why did everyone who replied here understand that you were pointing out a dumb comment? I commented about a 6th grade kid being a black belt, and a bunch of people thought I was seriously making the claim. If I had posted your comment, guaranteed someone would have replied "No you couldn't. BJJ people train to control on the ground..."
I've been training bjj for 3 years. The worst thing someone said to me was " oh in a real fight I am hard to take down" this came from a guy who has never ever trained any form of grappling. I just rolled my eyes.
Would’ve had a backyard takedown tournament
I'll agree that most BJJ folks have the worst takedowns I've ever seen; but unless you have a judo or wrestling background, that likely won't make a difference.
It's crazy how blind and helpless some people are.
Dont need to take him down then just standing guillotine him
“Jitsu can’t handle multiple attackers.”
They’re not wrong, but they usually say that to either bash jitsu and/or defend another martial art. But what they fail to realize is that no one can really handle multiple attackers.
it gives you distance awareness, so you know how to run away - i'm a 4 stripe white belt and recently when I was jogging (waiting for a green light on pedestrian crossing) a drunk, mean looking guy started approaching me, my immediate/automatic thoughts were "i've got plenty of distance and time, this guy is drunk I can handle him, i don't want to get close to this guy at all", so I jogged away.
No marital arts ever created can deal with multiple attackers. Nor will there ever be one.
Only in the movies 😂
honestly the only time a real martial artist is confronted with multiple opponents in real life and WINS is because the opposition is just that trash,unarmed, and unmotivated. The second there are multiple people who *really* want your ass dead or in the hospital they WILL get you there
Striking gives you the best shot in that scenario especially with untrained fighters. One accurate punch can lay someone out or make the run a way. Everything has their place.
Its kind of like watching a football and saying" oh well if he were trying to catch that ball on a freeway and my mother was throwing the ball he wouldn't be able to do that!" Like, yeah but hes not playing on a freeway with your mom?
Honestly I’m glad Jiu Jitsu is so underrated. Just means less people knowing my super power
Well not anymore now jiujistu is like karate in the 70s-90s as of now Muay Thai is coming close and it’s bad because soon the tradition of the martial will not be the same, look at tae kwon do it’s a beautiful and yet effective martial art but now it’s now gear towards sport, black belt in taekwondo was serious and very honorable belt to get,now it’s you have a black belt that’s it. Want to learn taekwondo Muay Thai, Silat, or Kali, go to the origin country, tae kwon do in Korea stayed the same hasn’t changed, unlike the US, Muay Thai is starting to do the same
@@Chris09978 As long as Jiu Jitsu and Mui Thai have that competitive element, they will never go the way of Taikwando and Karate.
The competitive element will keep them real. Boxing has been around for, what? 200 years? I don't think anyone will make the case that boxers can't fight in real life
@@occamtherazor3201 that’s true, I am just pissed that karate and taekwondo change, but I am glad that in Korea and japan kept its roots and espically the black belt ceremony you literally get your name in Korean it has a meaning to it not translated
I loved taekwondo it was very very effective fast and powerful, you can hear those loud powerful kicks and those I mentioned below, on the bags as you kick punch and elbow strikes also knees, yes taekwondo had all of that including takedowns but that all changed in the 70s in the US, but in the early 2000s had a Korean master very good one knew what he was doing, my brother is a 5th degree black belt and I was just a plain old green, and in the traditional roots of taekwondo they made sure and showed you how to do every single kick from belt to belt the right way
But now I’m looking into Silat or Kali I just love the karambit and interested in the martial art will mix it up with judo and jiujistu
@@Chris09978 Did Taekwondo do full contact fighting back then the way Mui Thai does today?
@@occamtherazor3201 oh yeah they sure did
“So bro, like, you hug sweaty guys for fun bro?”
Hahahaha I usually look at them right in the eyes and without cracking a smile I say, “well, of course...” 👁👄👁
Lool and usually how they react?
When someone tells me things like "that's gay" in any other context, i reply "well, i pay every month so i can roll on the floor with sweaty guys so..."
Next time ask them if they think they can survive one of your hugs
@@provisoria6120 honestly like who is so uncomfortable with their sexuality that they make fun of someone for playing a sport. Every contact sport there’s a lot of touching a member of the same sex going on.
No gi? Amateur. I roll no pants
“There’s no way jiu jitsu guy could beat a boxer in a fight”
“That martial arts stuff is BS when I get angry I see red and no one can stop me”
Aaaand then you show them ufc 1
@@provisoria6120 ufc 1 and 2 and 3 and 4....
Have patience with them. UFC-1 was only 25 years ago. Word hasn't gotten around yet.
@@lordbaltamore1527 tbh this one is the best
When my brother gets drunk he wants to roll, (he doesn't train) but we always end up doing it somewhere with no space, like next to his living room TV, or w/e, so my job becomes don't let either of us break anything or get hurt. After it's over he's like "I did pretty good, survived a long time, unless you were taking it easy on me. Were you taking it easy on me??"
Were you taking it easy on him?
@@richarddukard8989 like I said my job became don't break anything. If my goals are anything other than aggressively hunting submissions, is that taking it easy on him? Probably.
That’s wholesome lol
I have had the same experiences with friends who want to roll when drunk. And I wear glasses. So if some drunk friend wants to wrestle/roll and starts it without warning, I always do one of two things to not break my glasses (or worse have them break into my eyes!) a) keep my head up and away b) take glasses off and hold them in one of my hands (maybe looking for a place to set them down). so I roll with huge disadvantage. and that gives them the impression that they could have a chance against me. but in reality im just not letting them to take me down and controlling the distance without actually attacking back. :D
The one I hear a lot is “I could just pick you up and slam you”
I’m a skinny dude so that’s what I get a lot
I’m around 140lbs
135lbs here. Sure you can pick me up and slam me... but it's not like I am just going to let you LOL
Oh hi guys! I didn’t know this was the place for small ppl meetings. Let me introduce myself, my name is Facundo I am 5 5 and 137 lbs. And my teammates says that I am fast and small. My wife agrees with them, but she doesn’t seem as cheerful about it like my teammates.
6' 2", 95kg reporting in.
Short, skinny people scare me on the mat.
Please be gentle.
Yup what they don’t realize is that when they attempt to pick you up, they leave the head on the outside, guillotine all day 🤙🏻
Smaller dude, 5’10” 145-50 I go with people 70+lbs than me all the time, and very rarely am I ever in a situation they could slam me bc I initially started training for self defense so it’s something I always try to think about unless I’m comp training
"You're literally rolling around with a bunch of sweaty men" Like these dudes are so fragile that they can't enjoy a sport without feeling gay. To be fair though, at times you will probably be physically closer to another person than you ever will be otherwise (besides y'know), but still why is that what you think about instead of beating your opponent with your instincts. Some people amaze me.
"When you can do a triangle, armbar and omaplata, you're a blue belt"- my friend who's gone to a few no gi sessions in the past 🤦🏿♂️
Prolly the dumbest thing I’ve ever read 😂
Well if you can pull this off against other blue belts during training especially competitions then it’s true
I had a guy at a bar approach my buddy and I (we are both blue belts) after over hearing a conversation, to tell us he's a 10th Planet purple belt under Eddie Bravo because he could do an omaplata. We looked at each other funny then at him. He could see our confusion quickly turn to contempt so he said that he could show us how to omaplata sometime and went away.
@@robotJox1256 yeah but just drilling it or even doing it in live sparring doesn’t make you a blue belt, plenty of white belts can do all of those moves pretty quick
@@noahnandersen6279 yup, I’m a white belt and can do all of those... am I good at it? Not yet, but I will be
"thats gay" about wrestling always made me want to suplex them.
That's gay
I've always thought that anyone who thinks wrestling is gay never fought a wrestler. And not even a NCAA D1 wrestler, it could be anyone who has wrestling experience. A NCAA D1 wrestler would punish the kid who thinks wrestling is "gay."
@@vincenzodimeglio2975 I thought singlets were gay. I have a big problem with a fundamental objective of wrestling, to get a pin. A pin is not the end of a fight. I escape pins all the time and go on to either threaten or capture a submission.
@@TheLZempir3 yes but if you did not know how to grapple you would be stuck in the pins, and in a fist fight a wrestler would pin someone down and whale on them if it came to that, wrestling emphasizes take downs, control, and scrambling
All they have to do is change the outfit and I would love wrestling the out is just something I can not handle
As a small guy I hear a lot of “that karate jitsu wouldn’t save you in a fight against me “
I hope that the people saying this are at least in good physical shape lol
@@josephbentley6591 Yeah, I mean if it's a 6'5" 275lb professional strongman, I could at least kind've understand the cockiness. If it's just some average joe... I mean, you can't fix dumb.
Worse/best eye rolling comment: oh so it's like karate
People *actually* confuse BJJ with karate???
@@maxanderson3733 All the time
@@scottanderson2796 That’s honestly funny as hell
@@maxanderson3733 Yeah this dude at work acts like Iam Bruce Lee when I try to explain it to him its comedy
@@scottanderson2796 nice!
Most people think Jiu Jitsu is Tae Kwon Do. Usually I can't be bothered to correct them.
This one gets me really fucking angry
I enjoy this misconception because when the real fight happens they are in utter confusion.
exactly, i know many people that think judo, karate, jiu jitsu and tae kwon do are the same thing
"Krav Maga is far superior." And one time I also got "because you can break people's arms and choking someone takes too long"
Oh THAT'S a huge eye roll
"Choking someone takes to long", what? Definitely an eye roll moment
I actually prefer chokes because a broken arm still allows you to fight.
You can put someone out in a few seconds with a good rear naked
it takes at most 12 seconds , and for every second trancurred you are draining your opponent's energy by a lot
"Id knock a jiu jitsu guy out before he'd have the chance to take it to the ground."
Usually said by the big ego new guy in the mma gym trying jiu jitsu for the first time.
Mostly anyone who thinks they are a boxer lmao
I'd be a bit cautious about kickboxers or muay thai guys when it comes to takedowns, but when it come to pure boxers, then it's probably the easiest pray for grapplers.
Even though I love boxing as well, but it's just true.
@@AbsoluteADCC you aren’t wrong lmao I train bjj on the side and box and literally unless a boxer gets a knockout punch it’s so easy to grab them.
Right, but I've also seen a lot of BJJ guys swagger in to an MMA gym with a "Gimme your toughest fighters because I have a purple/brown belt in BJJ" only to get their assess handed to them in sparring because they can't strike for sh!t and have terrible takedowns. Striking while grappling is a game changer, and as we've seen from Marcelo Garcia to Saulo Riberio, having a black piece of cloth and a rank certificate from the IBJJF doesn't always help you much in an MMA fight.
All I'm saying is they are increasingly differing sports, and neither practioners should overestimate their proficiency in the other without trying it properly.
@@padicle7148 shooting really low singles and double makes the boxer almost obsolete
When you get a “white belt coach” that is earnestly trying to teach you the exact opposite of what your real coach just showed the class
We had a guy like that a while back. He spent the first week on the grappling dummy and the other two weeks trying to coach blue belts until one of them humbled him while rolling and he hasn’t been bad since.
YES!!
Me speaking to my brother: “Have you ever thought about giving BJJ a try?”
My Brother: “I’ll leave that Steven Seagal stuff to you!”
Me: 🤐???
"Training in the gi is pointless for self defense."
🙄
Don’t most people on average wear jackets, belts, and pants that are easy to grapple? Especially in colder climates.
@@maxanderson3733 even a T-Shirt can be gripped and used to disrupt movement. I will say the gi should at the very least prepare you to deal with someone grabbing your clothes.
I love when I hear this, it's more along the lines of "the gi is unrealistic for self defense." Really? You mean no gi is more realistic? When was the last time you got attacked by a dude wearing spanx? Everybody who has ever had any kind of fight outside of a gym knows that clothes and limbs get grabbed, ripped and stuffed.
When I was a complete noob in BJJ, I actually told my friend the opposite. I said the reason traditionally BJJ guys train in gi is because it's more realistic for a real world scenario. And I still think it is more applicable. Try to do an anaconda or d'arce choke on someone wearing a winter coat. Loop choke it that scenario seems to be more realistic.
This is true, as I only exit my house butt naked, covered in oil. Ancient Greco style, ya know. It’s the only thing that works on da streetz
Them: "Pulling Guard is unrealistic! That's the only reason I lost!"
Me: "If you were better at passing, it wouldn't matter if your opponent pulled guard."
Exactly! Usually said by people who can't wrestle or do judo.
@@Monteze1876 bjj is judo
@@blist14ant Maybe he was just using it interchangeably with bjj since they come from the same lineage.
“You might beat me on a mat, but I’ll win in a bar fight”
-my wife’s uncle
“I could beat up your jujitsu instructors”
-my brother
@@lordbaltamore1527 family tough guys are the worse
@@cwhip2432 no kidding man it surprises me how long they can go through life without realizing that they aren’t as tough as they believe
Never been in a fight in my life until recently. I am a blue belt of 4 years 5’9" and 140. Guy was about to punch me so I body locked him before he could. We hit a wall and my head hit the wall so it dazed me and I fell backwards pulling him into guard. I controlled posture and as he tried to choke me with his hands I did a triangle then arm bar. So no pulling guard is not ideal but IF you were to end up in that position you can still protect yourself. I ended up with only a bruise and the realization that I never want to be in a street fight again because it was terrifying.
Btw, my least favorite thing people say about bjj is "you do jiu jitsu? Like karate?"
Either way if someone says i take karate i do and i take bjj so I’m immune. How long would yoy say it takes until bjj can be used on the street.
@@stealthgamer474 personally I wouldn’t train to fight on street. Even kick boxing guys don’t walk around looking for fights. Do some bjj, it will show you what violence feels like. You will train because you like bjj not because you want to fight on street
@@kdavid123186 oh no you’re right i dont wanna but like people challenge me to fight and i say no and sure its egotistic but i wanna beat up my friend
@@stealthgamer474 well unless your “friend” is 250pound 6’10 athletic, go for take down and work from top. I wouldn’t go for any joint locks in fight, either choke or control is what I would do.
@@kdavid123186 we’re same height, he’s stronger than me but i weigh 20lbs more. He is untrained and I’m training bjj and shotokan karate.
"yeah but as a striker if I keep my distance you will never take me down" usually karate or boxing
Yeah. It's funny because usually in a striking match you will tie up in the clinch at some point. Enter wrestling.
Yeah but in order to strike you have to be close enough to punch or kick me. If you close enough to kick or punch me, then your in range for a clinch or takedown.
People don’t understand that if youre close enough to hit your close enough to be hit or being taken down, it’s hilarious when people say this its an automatic tell as how uneducated they are in fighting in general
I mean it depends. If youve never trained mma or wrestling as a bjj fighter good luck setting up that takedown. If they train kickboxing/muay thai then they have knowledge of clinch work.. spread your knowledge. Learn everything.
Your takedown attempt will be extremely obvious to them lol. If you are just training bjj and not drilling takedowns once/twice a week please stop bcuz youll be humbled I promise
"if someone tried to take me down in a fight, id just punch em"
"If you're fighting a jiu jitsu fighter, just keep them at a distance and they're screwed"
"Bjj is functional enough BUT its useless if you're fighting more than 1 person"
I don't know why bjj is such a magnet for garbage takes, yet karate gets off scott free. Smh
my co workers asked why im always limping and then answered that I do jiu-jitsu and explained what it is to them after a few weeks one of them kept calling me the karate guy... even though I explained it to her what it is... and she continues to call me karate guy it got annoying after a few times lol
@@Vitegro if someone asks I say wrestling. It's close enough for people who are just trying to make small talk, and if they ask because they're actually interested there's always time to clarify afterwards.
Just own it. "Karate guy" is a pretty dope nick name.
same here 😂
Some plp actually call me mr miyagi 🤦♂️
@@Vitegro I just Say I go the gym 😂
“Looks gay”
It’s probably more gay to not know what to do in a physical altercation.
10/10 comment
100% they could be taken advantage of so easily there so vulnerable😂.It’s usually the people who are weak and never trained grappling who say that and their the people who could be taken advantage off from a man and get Plowed and they have the audacity to call Jiu jitsu gay😂.
Those are some serious fragile masculinity issues
“You know what’s gay getting your ass kicked”
-Crowder
Not a big fan of him but man that was the truest ever
"This looks gay as fuck"
We were doing "fight night" in the trainee tents, guy A had guy B in his closed guard, and guy C says "can we move this along, this looks gay as fuck". Keeping in mind guy C is a personal trainer, and does muay thai
So yeah, that's the line that really irritates me
“Any martial art that requires a gi is pointless. Because that means as soon as you take off the gi, you’re practically immobilized and disarmed.”
ik they act like half the moves cant be performed in normal clothes or even shirtless.
@@t3chn070 To be fair, it can be relatively different especially if you've never trained it before. I'm only a beginner and my friend came to class with me the other day and although I'm significantly better than he is, he was so sweaty neither I nor my blue belt friend could get a decent hold of him to sub him. I tapped him once (as did the blue belt) but it was a struggle for both of us haha
"I couldnt do that, too many rules. Id get angry and hurt someone"
"Jiu-Jitsu isn't effective in real combat until you're at black belt level of skill."
Yes, I've heard this. Multiple times. The idea being that unless you commit and train hard in your martial art for over a decade, there's no point to even learning the basics for real-life altercations.
True, the better you get at your art, the better it will work for you. But I've known three-stripe white belts who have whipped out the one or two Jiu-Jitsu moves they're decent at to defend themselves from street attackers, and managed to successfully keep their persons safe and escape the situation.
The whole "You're not a master yet, and you won't be for years, so why even try?" mentality drives me crazy.
I heard, BJJ is only gay when you make eye contact. Is that true? Asking for a friend.
No, Jiu jitsu is just always gay. Know your enemy
KKKKKKKKKKKK
@@henryskipper5507 its not if you wear socks
And don't smile
Only if you make eye contact and the two of you "zing".
“Weight always wins even if your technique is better” the guy that said this has never done any martial art
Tell that to the 130lb purple belt that dominates my 220 newb butt several times a week. 😂
It’s so easy to take someone’s back or guillotine them if they don’t know what they’re doing it doesn’t matter if you only do sports jiu-jitsu berimbolo type stuff because you don’t even need to use your full skill set. The problem that is very real with a lot of BJJ people is they haven’t the foggiest idea of how to take someone down
Too many bjj players (myself included) don't spend enough time training the stand up component of the game. Sad, because that can really make or break your game; mat, cage, or street.
Thankfully, there are people like John Danaher who speaks a lot about stand-up game for jiu-jitsu.
Again, the sport is relatively very new. There will be a wave of people pretty soon who will have an arsenal of guard pulls that go straight into sweep or submissions, BJJ applicable Judo throws and wrestling takedowns.
@FateVsFate Because of such an awesome ruleset BJJ has comparatively to other grappling disciplines, I feel like BJJ will become something like Mixed Grappling Arts in the future. Just use everything that works in BJJ ruleset from different grappling disciplines.
@@AbsoluteADCC that would make me insanely happy. What I wouldn’t give to cross train ALL the grappling arts, it sounds like a dream come true
@MB Not going to work that well soon as people learn how to defend against it. It's just the matter of time.
It's like early mma days. Grapplers dominated UFC, but then everyone learned grappling. Now you have to be well rounded.
The same will come to BJJ/Submission Grappling.
"What if I just punch you in the face?" Definitely my least favorite. As if in a street fight I'm gonna let myself be on bottom and If I do end up there I'm gonna stay there for more than 5 seconds...
I had an uncle ask me one time. “If you’re a martial artist, then show me your KATA!”
what does that even means lmao hahahaha
Walk up and give him a big hug :)
@@davidconant1625 thank you! When i was young and used to do tae kwon do they would call them "forms"
I got my first dan black belt in judo before starting BJJ and they taught kata as well as Randori.
The first two first Katas, the NAGE-NO-KATA, or Kata of Throws, and the KATAME-NO-KATA, or Kata of Judo on the ground. The entirety of these Katas is sometimes called RANDORI-No-KATA.
Kata is a valuable source of technical progress. But intrinsically it is also a difficult exercise. It helped my Judo a ton.
No different than drilling in Brazilian Jiu-jitsu. Only more formalized.
Not me but one of my buddy does a Security gig and his partner said “don’t worry bro I got your back your Jiu Jitsu isn’t gonna help you” 😂
@@arnoldb4526 well yea lol but they were dealing with one guy if I remember correctly, I don’t think there’s any martial arts for multiple people
@@michaellee6713 Well, striking martial arts do have better chance at fighting multiple opponents like boxing,muai thai and so on, but generally yes, there aren't any martial arts like that other than military maybe.
One thing I always hear about jiu jitsu and street fights is that once it hits the ground who knows if the other person has buddies who will jump in, but it’s the same case if it stays on the feet though. If someone wants to jump in they will on the feet or on the ground. Not many martial arts are designed for more than one attacker so I think that comment isn’t exclusive to fights on the ground.
Yeah if there's multiple attackers even Steven Seagal would be fucked. Or they have a knife. Knives are hard as fuck to defend against. One slip up and you have a giant stab wound. Best knife defense is to run away. Even BJJ practicing military operatives say so.
Unless you have a gun of course lol
To be fair though, you'd much rather be on your feet fighting multiple opponents than on the ground doing the same. A BJJ guy, unless his takedowns are magnificent, will not be able to completely defeat even one guy in a group.
I think that bias originated from the fact that some people actually got soccer ball kicked in the head when they tried to do a submission in a street fight. So people just started assuming that friends jumping in only applied to ground fighting. When countless other street fight videos completely debunk this idea. If they have friends with no honor you’re getting jumped regardless of what you try
@@maxanderson3733 in stand up striking styles, the goal is not really to fight. It is to create an opportunity to escape. Take karate as an example. Sport karate is an embarrassment these days. But the roots of it are that you wallop the opponent and get the hell out of there. That's how point sparring came into existence. But before sport, reading some of the older literature from the likes of Funakoshi, it's made very clear in writing, everything is about engineering an opportunity to escape. This is the key point of stand up styles against multiple attackers. It's not an MMA contest in the street. The goal is not to defeat all of the attackers. It's to crack one in the face with the hope that it stuns him long enough to push past and run. Gichin Funakoshi, founder of Shotokan, even mentions it in his book. There's a bit that suggests to bang on the door of the nearest house if you have to. He writes that many would be too embarrassed to do that, but how absurd to let embarrassment get in the way of survival for the sake of ego.
@@anftrew3775 cool
Iain Abernathy a Karate guy had a good analogy for that.
"Self defence is like First Aid. Everybody doing MArtial Arts should know about it. After that you can go and explore your "field" and have fun! If you are a BJJ practioner you are the brain surgeon of ground fighting and the Muay Thai guys are the heart surgeon of clinch fighting . Both still should learn first aid first although that doesnt overlap that much wth their field of expertise. And like first aid it should be now and then refrehsehd.
Ooh I like that
"That rolling around shit wont work on me bro. I just black out and go crazy on people"
"Most fights don't go to the ground."
Literally every street fight is 3 haymakers and a slam to the ground
@@getraided9023 Not literally. I've never been on the ground in a street fight. At least not fighting on the ground. I've been picked up off the ground after a couple fights though.
Most fights don't. That whole 90% thing was a misrepresentation by Rorion of arrest situations where LEOs had to ground suspects. That is the data he cited. Arrest data from the 80s and 90s. Totally different to a civilian altercation.
I worked in a bar for 4 years as a student (barman). I must've witnessed 100+ fights. Not one can I remember going to ground. The bouncers had something called "the 3 second rule" i.e. most fights last about 3 seconds. It's normally very violent and very vicious, and very quick. Like some guy throwing some shots, then running away or getting dropped himself. Or someone glassing someone then running away.
They weren't some ADCC match where the guys were at it for 10 minutes passing each others guard. BJJ is a self-fulfilling prophecy: You train to fight on the ground so you go on the ground to fight. That doesn't mean most fights outside of a BJJ gym end up on the ground. I can show you tons of real world altercations on here that don't go to ground.
Don't drink the Rorion Kool Aid, and always be skeptical of "statistics" provided to you by someone who is trying to sell you something.
@@iorekby don't know what planet you live on. Lots of street fights go to the ground. Every serious fight I've been in, including a bar fight, involved me tackling someone to the ground.
@@turtledave77 Sure it did Rorschach 😒
I once saw a boxer (on tiktok) say about wrestlers and jiu jitsu artists, “ur getting ko’d if u get caught with a shot when you’re going for a takedown” ...”u wouldn’t stand a chance”
“If I got in a fight, I would just punch the groin and bite... there are no rules in a street fight”
As if the bjj guy can’t do that aswell 😂
My friends said that so I took them down s mounted them and said where were all those attacks you were talking about while doing a rape choke on him🤣
Punch the groin my guy are you stupid
Bites are how you get all your teeth knocked out idk why people think they work
@@michaellee6713 you are talking like nobody can mount people if they dont do bjj?
"Isn't Jiu Jitsu just a rip off of kung fu?"
I was at a bjj tournament and I overheard a guy saying, “you know in a real fight you don’t get points for putting your knee on someone’s belly”. Like yeah dude but in a real fight if you get knee on belly you can cave the other dudes face in. 😂
As a big guy who ways 218-225 the one that annoyed me the most was “stop using your strength”
"No person is just going to lock up with you."
Good. I don't want to fight them in the first place. So If I can get away, good. I can always run away from someone trying to punch me. however, If someone is holding onto me I don't have that option. So jiu jitsu works pretty damn well.
thats a really solid point
I hear all the time the " jiu-jitsu would never work in self defense. I'd just punch you before you ever got to me"
You are consistently one of the most reasonable voices in the sport
I just love your channel bro Keep it up!
I appreciate your vids, Man. How early do you recommend a white belt start competing?
I don’t compete nor do I practice jujustu but I do practice taeqwando and they say to compete as early as you can, preferably at white belt, so I would say the same for jujustu. You will probably lose a lot but that’s just apart of it
I have a friend who started like 2 months into jiujitsu, experience wise I'd say it's the best to start as soon as possible but you will probably lose a good few matches. That's fine though as long as you learn from your losses
There's no reason not to compete sooner than later.
I had my first competition 4 months after I started grappling. I got my butt whooped but if I hadn't known where I was it probably would have taken me longer to progress because in my case, I didn't have enough arm bar escapes and now I rarely get arm barred by my 'grappling equals'
I had my first match at about 2 months in aswell. Training twice sometimes 3 days a week.
Was super nervous going in. But learnt heaps. Thats the main thing. Is you learn alot about your game.
Strong points and a very obvious weak points lol
I would reccomend starting as soon as possible. You wont regret it.
The worst that happens is gotta tap out fast
"bjj will skyrocket your confidence" don't know about you guys but after getting tapped out by everyone in the room I don't leave feeling confident.
If a police officer pulls guard on you, run
Or make a new friend by sitting and testing their double butt-scoot game.
* big policeman with cauliflower ears aproaches *
Me: taps
“I wouldnt tap if this was on the street, i would poke eyes, grab balls etc...”
This is more of a short story
When I started mma and bjj a year ago, one of my friends told me, that he trained bjj when he was younger. He trained with his uncle, who he said was so good at bjj that he almost could compete with the gracies, that he was almost a red belt, that he had been a black belt for so long.
I have never met his uncle or heard about him from anyone else in the community, but recently I grabbed a beer with my friend, and at some point he grabbed a pen throwing it between his hands like a knife. I asked him what he was doing, and he said that knife fighting was the best part of his jiu jitsu training
"grappling isn't a form of self defense... "haha . they are special
The best one i keep hearing is.... those jiu-jitsu sure can kick... Lol
"I got you twice!" Lower belt to upper belt.
🤣🤣🤣
Any comment that segregates Jiu Jitsu into “sport” or “street”. I’m of the opinion that it is all self defence. The question is, what are you defending against?
The argument divides more than unites.
Stay the course Chewy! 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Lol you might wanna run that by Rener and Ryron bruh, because most their content centers around segregating the two (and maybe rewatch this video, because Chewy is basically doing the same)...
And I happen to agree with them. While it's be great if everyone could kumbaya around a campfire, Truth > Feelings. Using Keenan Cornelius' (or the Miyaos') jiujitsu would get you tuned up in a real fight. Not letting a student know that is irresponsible on behalf of the instructor - the instructor is basically responsible for their student getting beat down.
In my gym, the most annoying is the attitude that jiu jitsu is the "best martial art." Like Muay thai and karate fighters haven't knocked out jiu-jitsu black belts. It's the fighter, not the art. I boxed all through high school, and most everybody I roll with don't stand a chance off the floor. I make it a habit to give em a little bop when they go for takedowns or pull guard. Just to remind em I'm only playing their game by choice.
Yeah I admire many martial arts and that mentality is what holds me back from going to a BJJ gym since theres no judo gyms where I live now.
“You do Jiu Jitsu, is that like karate?” And “that wouldn’t work, people don’t walk around in gis.”
"this wouldn't work on the street".....well, obviously. Bjj won't defend against a kick to the head or getting sucker punched from behind. But I'd rather have some physical experience grappling with other people then not. You learn how a person's body moves and reacts to how you move. It's just learning to become comfortable in the uncomfortable.
Even little things, that could have real world application. How many fights in the real world begin with one guy rushing, head down and you think yeah, that'd be an instant standing guillotine
You watchin Ramsey Dewey?
“A black belt is just a white belt that didn’t quit”
That reasoning applies to everything. Every doctor is a med student that didn’t quit. A Taekwondo black belt is a white belt that didn’t quit.
That is true, but the statement in it self is not untrue. I'm a Brown belt now and I've come to realize it's not just abort the obvious meaning, it's also about the person feeling like a whitebelt but somehow ended up with a black belt. So I find this statement really good actually. This offcourse doesnt make your feeling about the statement wrong or not true!
Every adult is a child that didn’t die
That it applies to more than BJJ makes it MORE true.
"i dunno.. rolling around hugging men, just seems a bit weird to me"
I hate when someone that doesn’t know anything about mma asks me to show them a more and when I show them they say “no that wouldn’t actually work cuz I would just do this to stop u” . And I can’t be like u wanna see if it’ll work? Cuz then I’ll just be the douche bag picking on people that don’t know how to fight
My old roommate and a guy that used to be one of my best friends figured that he needed to be the toughest guy in the room, it caused a lot of really stupid arguments and him talking about a lot of 'Street fightz" he got into without witnesses. His brother, step father and father all did time in Jail so I feel like he just needed to feel like he could always beat everyone at everything. He got really into drugs and Juice World music before he moved out.
It sucks because we were good friends and super close right up until I started training MMA and progressing.
Chewy, I can't answer you question for BJJ, but I think I may have a similar experience with my fighting in karate tournaments back in the day. Whenever point fighting is brought up it's always insulted as not having any contact or not real fighting. I can only speak from my experience, but although we had to go by rules in the tournaments, we went very hard in training with continuous fighting, and we had very little protective equipment ie a cup and that's it. Although we tried not to hit the face, it happened, and get this, groin was a legal target! This led to my saying, I'm either injured or ready for further punishment. As for the streets, the little damage I took there (compared to what I gave) was nothing compared to what I sustained for the love of the art.Take care!
Appreciate you sharing.
I already know I'm going to love this video brother 😂👌
"I could totally just punch you right now," as I'm taking his back. Had me confused, I won't lie.
Thats part of their defense strategy....confusion lol
I’d just get a decent hold of an arm or two and say “hit me with that arm. Hit me, hit me, hit me-you can’t.”
I feel your pain, but differently. Not a BJJ guy, but as a karateka who does two person drills and pressure testing a la original karate which is a clinch fighting/stand up grappling system with strikes added for spice, I get annoyed with the kata haters.
People who don't like kata: "kata techniques don't work"
Same people when they see karateka taking techniques from their visual catalogs (kata) and drilling them in a practical way in pressure testing as a grappling/clinch fighting method like they were originally intended: "Oh, you cross-train too?"
Or this: "My self defense system is better than your self defense system. Here, play the role of criminal/attacker and I'll prove it!"
"okay but what if gun?"
For anyone that thinks you can't use BJJ is a fight, just stay on YT and search for 'BJJ vs Karate" and one of the top results is a grimy no rules fight between the challenger (BJJ guy) and a Karate black belt. Spoiler alert, he didn't pull guard obviously. It's not like there's a gazillion other ways to take down and submit opponents... At the same time, you could probably pull guard in a street fight and win. It's just the risk associated with immediately giving up the high ground and knowing it might not be a 1on1 fight either, and that there may be weapons involved. But if it was some 1 on 1 challenge with no weapons, an experienced BJJ fighter could definitely pull guard and win against an every day "tough guy".
“You can’t get past my guard” as I casually step through it and give them a nice neon belly.
But in all seriousness generally people say things about bjj due to dogmatism or they just never done it before. I was guilty of it years back when I didn’t know any better.
I think it's called knee on belly
@@thorbjrnbeckmann1018 MWUAHAHAHAaaaa that knee was so hot it was glowing neon!
@@juvinious How do you generate that much heat in your knee? :o
@@thorbjrnbeckmann1018 voodoo 🤫
😁
Edit. But in all reality it is just lot’s Açai juice.
Neon belly, that's really funny because it really does sound like that
I think the most annoying thing is that people don’t know what BJJ is so when you tell them “I do Brazilian jujutsu” they (A.) think It’s one of those fake martial arts, that use charakra or aura, or (B.) they think it’s “not live or effective” and comparable to child karate or cardio air kickboxing or Zumba class. So when I tell a large percentage of people I do BJJ they OVERALL think it’s lame or weird. Even more think it’s wouldn’t work on them. So at least with my friends I’ll try to find an opportunity to roll with them to show them A) it’s very real and effective & B) to motivate them to sign up for classes. So far tho... none of my friends have signed up... however, At least I submitted them all in less the a minute so they know it’s effective and I’m not loser XD!
My sister laughs at me when I’m in my Gi and calls it my “Costume”. It’s pissing me off because I know she’s jealous because I’m improving my life and she’s a raging alcoholic. I think one choke out might help her see things differently
Don't do it. Just let her try to degrade you as she is just projecting.
Projecting insecurities
heel hook her plz
Sounds like you may need to minimize contact with her as much as possible
This is another reason I love BJJ. You complete strangers have been more supportive in 15 minute than my family has been in 20 years
True. It wouldn't work, and it would. There are no nice soft mats under you on the street, but BJJ is great for being comfortable on the ground. BJJ has helped me on the street, but you don't go into it looking at it as a gym match. The last guy who used BJJ against me on the street, he had my arm, no doubt, but he was a thug whose intent was to hurt me, and picking him up and dropping him on a fire hydrant changed the game. In the gym, I would have tapped. In real life, I cracked two of his vertebrae.
"If Sambo was easy it would be called jiujitsu" - Khabib
This the dude who used a triangle choke(A jiu jitsu choke) to be Justin gaethje.
Personally I think Charles oliveria would beat khabib aswell
@@johnclarkeboy3643 triangle is a judo choke
@@johnclarkeboy3643 jiu jitsu created nothing they just took aspects of judo and catch wrestling and renamed it then introduced it to the western world. Wrestling/Pankration/Catch Wrestling far predates them all. Khabib isnt wrong it is more of a complete martial art system therefore superior.
@@Abyyss33 Ye my comment was silly to be honest but I think what you said about Bjj just taking aspects of judo and catch wrestling is why it’s so good.And khabib saying it’s easy is just stupid.
"Jiu-jitsu wouldn't work on me, I'd just uppercut the guy as he went for a takedown. It would never work in a streetfight. I'd just bite you."
The #1 Thing I hear is One day it will all click and you will be good.
I hear this a lot too. I think the more accurate statement would be, "One day everything about [some position] will click." As a struggling white belt, hearing that it will all click just feels like an unobtainable goal. Sure everything will click, but at different times. That's the nuance everyone forgets to tell you.
Im pretty sure even Chewy made a video about the clicking point in training, its pretty sure
Probably not a very popular stance to take in BJJ but I’m not really a fan of the whole “Size doesn’t matter” thing. I probably don’t have the right to have this opinion since I’m 6ft tall so there’s a bit of a bias.
It’s just that as a kid all the way until now there’s one question I just never managed to get out of my head. _”If size doesn’t matter then why did countless warriors and scholars spend centuries devising ways _*_specifically designed_*_ to bring down people like me?”_
Yo coach, what do you think about giving guard pulls a penalization? I believe it's absolutely benefitial to the sport in order to account for the lack of slams (the same way mount is rewarded to account for the lack of strikes).
“You are going to take me to the ground and smell my a**” “I want a real fight, don’t try to smell my crotch on the ground” This is Jorge Masvidal every fight 😒
Anything the bro with the Tapout or Affliction shirt says at a UFC watch party
Why are people so obsessed with street fighting. Such a dumb fucking mindset. Learn to run and you're pretty much safe.
"This wouldn't work in the street" - Everyone who's never been in a street fight
If it don’t work in a street fight why can’t the guy I’m fighting do anything when I’m in full mount? They’ll say anything to discredit anything
“Jiu-Jitsu guys aren’t good fighters because you just stay standing against one and they can’t do anything” also “Jiu-Jitsu doesn’t work if the guy has friends”
1: dude probably never had someone judo throw or shoot on him
2: No martial art works if the guy has friends
"so could you kick (random tall or large person) ass?"
I would never fight them... And if they for some reason couldn't accept that I wouldn't fight them and attacked me, I probably would run. Now... Could I keep them from hurting me, or knocking me out, or control them to the point they tire out and quit? Yeah most likely.
I love putting on my pajamas to learn how to give better hugs. Just got back from class actually =)
I do gi and no gi , personally enjoy gi more . I hate it when I hear no gi grapplers saying no gi is harder and u don’t wear that much clothing in street . And also when gi grapplers say your not fighting naked and gi is more technical. They are both difficult in its own aspects and is not direct to a street altercation as stated before . If you are good then you can use any amount of clothing you can get your hands on to benefit yourself.
People act like BJJ players couldn't throw a punch if they needed too...
“But why would you do that kinda stuff” always a good one
Thanks Chewy. I get so irritated listening to others (sometimes instructors) poo-poo "sport" jiu-jitsu because a person isn't learning self-defense. I get that certain techniques that work in a competition aren't suitable for a real fight, but it's not like someone at a "self-defense" gym practices getting punched in the face during a roll. Perhaps they might use slow punches practicing a technique, or maybe even light slaps rolling, but that's not the same thing at all.
Seriously, if I really wanted to protect myself on the street, I'd buy a handgun and get a concealed weapon permit, not sweat my ass off for years trying to learn how to choke somebody else out before then can choke me out.
I always read this funny one “it’ll be real hard for you to use bjj when someone’s punching you in the face.” Couple things that irk me about this one. Yeah it’ll be harder when they’re punching but you’ll be punching too AND with better positioning. It’s hard to knock someone out when you’re laying on your back. Btw why do people assume bjj players are soft?? They act like we can’t take a punch or we’ll die. I’d assume most blue belts are mentally tougher than the average street fighter just because they workout more often than an average person.