Mwamba never left group. He was technically there the ENTIRE TIME. Don't believe me? Go into your accessories list and look for one that's equipped to him. And don't you DARE think about removing it from him!!! MWAMBA BE PRAISED!!!!!
Did you know that Ashera doesn't fear death? She loves saying "I don't fear death, so bring it". I just want people to be aware that she doesn't fear death.
Fun Fact: Mwamba actually has a unique chain attack render as well as a completion bonus and heroic chain in the files, although those last two are just copies of other characters ones. His Heroic chain is a clone of Teach's and his Completion bonus is a clone of Monica's/Miyabi's.
you can use Fiona as Ogre, I don't want to Spoil anyone but, the Hero Quest needs to be done at night and for her Ascension it involves having a male ogre in your party and fighting a dragon superboss
Mwamba must be memed into reality. Mwamba is the hero we need. The hero we deserve. His attacks can be Red Flag (AoE tosses red flags everywhere), One Day from Retirement, Too Soon, Saw That Coming (daze), and Homecoming (damage up on cancellation). Chain Attack: Mwambuster (reduces enemy physical defense to 0). Heroic Chain: Raises own TP by Mwambillion% and splits it evenly among active party members, unable to be reactivated.
The "Mwambin' Time! order really comes in clutch against the last few bosses and superbosses by having Mwamba twerk on the enemy, killing them instantly. He might be able to break into S++ tier if doing this didn't also crash the game. Oh well.
Zeon being low-tier is fine by me BECAUSE He's still S-tier for when you're not doing max-level content. Because of Guardian Commander's protection skill, he's literally a free deathward for as long as he's alive. The amount of times I've been able to avoid dying by hugging Zeon until my healers could actually heal me is genuinely too many to count; for that reason alone, I refuse to acknowledge any other hero for story progression.
i love zeon for this reason, and he's great specifically for running really aggressive lone exile setups. plus, he functions great as a topple bot, as that was by far the bottleneck for my combos without waiting for master arts to come off cooldown.. as such, zeon easily enabled me to never actually worry about aggro management, and usually not even another tank in the party due to being able to hug him. moments of switching between other party members for various things was also tense and fun, due to being on a pretty strict time limit of leaving my lone exile to AI control, and keeping track of big tank busters in general to talent art/master art evade through. tl;dr, zeon made my playthrough very very fun by the end of the game
Not on Zeon but on his class during THAT fight in chapter 5 (No spoilers but I'm sure a lot of people had trouble with it.) All of my party died at around 1/3 left on the boss and when I tell you they just could not kill me and I was able to finish out the fight!
Some things on heroes I didn't see covered: Teach - Gets a unique art with a damage ratio that's 510% iirc. Still won't be outdamaging the best of the heroes, but it's something Juniper - Her Art Follow Up field has a noticeably larger radius than the Ouroboros version. I haven't tested yet to see if it's stronger with its damage, though Triton - Okay, hear me out: Low rolling can be really good. If Triton's at 0 TP, he's basically an extra smack for less than 10 TP, which, mind you, isn't much compared to Fiona or Ashera, but it's something *Miyabi - Your pfp is literally Miyabi. Of course you're biased
@@pavo116 Every time you use an art while within the field, it does a bit of damage that scales off of attack. I don't know the exsct multiplier, but if you know how small spike damage is, it's kind of like that
I will say that in early game hard mode, heroes like Valdi and Zeon that have orders which matter when you fail to kill the enemy are more impactful than when rating at the end of the game just because your options are very limited when these heroes are relevant, so it's actually very helpful to use a chain attack really early for healing/armor veil/aggro reduction when it's looking very dangerous for you.
Yeah this list seems to be listing endgame potential- which while great for that content isn't a good game wide tier list as it kinda ignores how a hero does in the early and midgame, especially when the better heroes aren't available.
valdis healing is so fucking strong - he makes every fight pretty much trivial unless you are ultra underleveled or you have bad luck with all your healers instantly dying...
Interestingly, Fiona's 120% TP boost does actually have a strong niche. It can be used in a set-up with Taion on a Soulhacker tank to have an amazing on round 1. Taion with the starting TP skill and Veneris Rings starts a chain attack with 65 TP. With Fiona, this becomes 78. With role match + force match, that's 93 minimum TP so at 99 TP you only need an additional 8 TP from the attack to get an amazing, which at all hard to achieve. With that you can get pretty much a guaranteed amazing every round provided you don't mess up. It isn't as reliable as Ashera but it is something fun to consider.
As soon as I saw Ashera's Chain Attack effects, I knew she was absolutely the best hero to use in the game. Literally guaranteed to completely destroy whatever it is you're fighting lmao
Defenders really got done dirty in regards to quantity and quality (There aren't any Defender classes in S-Tier and Ashera is Top-Tier more because of her Chain attack ability than any actual defending). There are only like 5 Defender classes/heroes compared to other roles (Healers have 8, Attackers have 12). Hopefully the DLC heroes can patch this issue up. Until then Ashera will have to hard-carry.
yeah i don't get why there's so few tank classes in this game as they make up 20% of all classes in the game, plus none of the defender class heroes are required to be obtained in order to finish the main story (meaning you can literally ignore Ashera, Zeon and Monica and still beat the game as their Hero Quests aren't mandatory)
Luckily, we know at least one Defender character, who could (should) become a hero (though Monolith would have to make some changes to give him a unique class).
honestly, I found Valdi's extra TP against machines to be really good, most of the enemies in the final area are considered machines by the game (which is weird but fine) so it's a really nice spot to get overkills
but outside of that, Valdi does run into problems, especially when it comes to Superbosses where he's pretty much next to useless against them due to none of them being machines
Choosing Enel gives you an "Amazing" no matter what, refills the chain attack gauge, grants Power Charge, adds 200% to the attack meter and also brings back Enel every round. He also starts with 50 base TP.
@@MarkusHobelsberger You know Enel is the perfect chain attack hero when the devs decided that his base tp value was too high and nerfed him down to 50. Truly the Xenoblade content creator we don't deserve
hey Enel, I've been on this channel for a couple of years now. Just wanted to say I appreciate a lot of what you do, started on the switch late and played both XC games when they were already figured out but your channel definitely helped me a lot, now that I've started XC3, alongside you, I've figured out a lot of stuff on my own as well and made some guides myself, but I'm always looking forward to these vids, since I still learn a lot from it. I hope you continue to make guides and speed runs, more power to you.
The best part of this game is when Moebius is about to Moeb the party and shouts out “now it’s finally moebin’ time!” But then Mwamba suddenly jumps out and shoots Moebius in the face, all while saying his famous line “well that’s where you’re wrong, cause it’s actually mwambin’ time!” And then the game ends with a dance party with the chain attack theme playing in the background.
Haven't tried it on hard yet but I really liked running the Lifesage hero as a way to not need any healers (besides signifer) so I can have an extra DPS slot, she finally got her time to shine in gameplay
Basically (according to Gameplay): - Earlier Heroes are decent, but easily replaceable with other Heroes later on. - Mid-Term Heroes are a mixed bag: some are great and some are not. - Heroes gained by Story are generally... bad (with ONLY ONE saving grace) - Late Heroes are bad (with three exceptions) or have replaceable DPS syndrome or late arrivals. - Special Heroes (Melia and Nia) after finishing the game are good in their roles. Conclusions: - Keves's Heroes are inconsistent: they are good or they are bad (or it depends on the situation) - #AgnusSweep. Most of Agnus's Heroes are consistent, fulfill their roles and help in the game (with the exception of two bastards) - There is no "It's Moebin Time" if you chose the Representative Hero. Now. Hero Tier List based on their personality, interactions or quests?
@@acekotana4425 Sadly. There is no "It's Moebin Time" for the subject whose name begins with "T", but his class is very useful... for people other than Moebius.
He's also really good when you get him, a third reviver with some healing capabilities, an Armor Veil field, and pretty good damage on top of that, along with his chain order being cracked before you unlock Ouroboros orders, makes him feel how he is in lore. He also never draws aggro for some reason, even after firing off five All-Slayers in a row. This was with GC Lanz and a dead Zephyr Mio btw.
As a note about Cammuravi, since you didn't mention it: His heroic chain only takes effect if he goes first, this means you could use him 2nd to raise his tp like normal and then on a subsequent round his base tp will be higher than 15, making the 200% multiplier much more impactful. I've had some really easy amazings thanks to him, but it does require a little set up on the first couple rounds and luck with reactivations
I like Zeon for farming. It's an early topple art, which can allow you finish a burst in the first 8-9 seconds of a fight. This is especially helpful when farming level 9 or 15 unique enemies for level X gem materials, because you can burst them before they die, making the farm 2x faster. I like to stick Noble Taunt on him too - he can help pull aggro in between Burst combos if none of the tanks have aggro for some reason. You really want a tank to have aggro to get consistent breaks. Admittedly, that's somewhat niche because a good tank will attain and keep aggro, but having that Topple art early is really helpful. That way if your main tank's topple art gets resisted, you can still execute the burst and give time for the master art topples on other characters time to catch up. I'd give him an S-tier for farming because there is no reason to run anyone else. You can run 2 Ogres for Break, a Medic Gunner for Daze + extras, and 2 Troubadours with Daze, Topple and Burst. Topple is really the only early art you need to stack on.
@@Kittycat7070- Yeah who knows, maybe we’ll see a free update someday that brings him back, apparently he does have some data suggesting he was planned to be a fully fledged hero.
Love your videos! It is great to have someone making such amazing Xenoblade content, helping me understand and better enjoy the combat of the game, without having to worry about being spoiled.
Oh nice I was already using Ashera since she has launch and is so badass. Also super useful in chain attacks. Guess I chose wisely Haha. Wow Enel you've done a video pretty much daily for weeks now...much appreciated my guy.
Interesting to consider two lists: "Heroes who are better than their classes" (Ashera, Segiri?) and "Classes who are better than their heroes" (everybody else?) Though if you count attack animations, then Teach is far better than his class - those Bruce Lee nunchaku backfist body blows are way better than the Thaumaturge generic staff swinging your characters do
Thanks for these great guides Enel! I'm sure you have many video ideas planned, but I would like to see a "Best master arts and skills to get from all classes" guide
Great video as usual enel keep up the great content honestly was hoping the hero’s we would be able to actually control them would be a very cool feature
@@EnelXC Honestly, when it comes to the class system, it's just too biased towards Attackers; there's twelve of those, eight Healers, and a measly five Defenders. I'm just hoping the two DLC classes will join the blue team, bringing it up to 7.
@@dinotaco4651 Silhouettes can be anything, but I'd be quite disappointed if it's yet another Attacker - there's not nearly enough Defender diversity. There's a ton of different Attackers, and a few different takes on Healers, but Defenders? Heavy Guard, Guardian Commander, and Lost Vanguard are all just slightly different face tanks; Zephyr and Lone Exile are Agility tanks. The game would've been more enjoyable if there were more variety here. How about a more aggressive Defender, that has elements of an Attacker? Or a Defender with some healing, or buffing, elements?
Hi Enel! Strategos is a Greek word, and is pronounced "Stra" (like strategy), TEA, and Gos (like ghost). Stra-tee-ghos. Hopefully that helps! LOVING your content and so proud of your Torna run at GDQ! You did amazing and proud to be a subscriber. 😊
Happy to see Nia up there! I just did a first pass of all the superbosses today and I was kinda surprised how easy they all went down. Only the first challenge and on normal, but I wasnt even 99 for it and I was still running with a burst-farming setup for getting gems. I kinda just wanted to see how many I could take down without having to regear into something with some thought .. and Nia carried me through all of them without having to re-set myself up XD Nia is love, Nia is life. Nia brings life.
17:34 So a small thing about Cammuravi's Heroic Chain, that I'm not sure was clearly stated. He only reverts back to the TP he had of the round he goes first in. So if you use him second, and he gets to let's say 30 TP, he will keep that when reacitvated, then if you use him first next round, he doubles after all the bonuses, and next time he will revert back to 30 TP, not 15. Do I think this makes his Heroic chain good? No, cause if you get that set up he will likely complete the order with only barely being above 100, and the only way to really get use out of it is using him second a bunch to try to get one really good round with him in like the last or second to last order. But he doesn't go back to 15 each time.
Yeah, his Hero chain would be good if we could choose when it goes off but we never want to use him first cause he becomes useless in later rounds and in said later rounds we can't use him to finish orders since we want him to go last but he doesn't get the bouns so he is useless in CA'a.
Strategos is hard G, like ghost without the T. It's the ancient greek word for army leader. The word is a compound of the words 'strate', meaning army, and agos, meaning leader.
Messing around with Segiri and had Taion on Incursors and got really lucky managing to break both 300% and 400%tp, did really make me wish there was an extra bonus for it though
I don't remember what my record is, but I want to say I've managed something like 500 TP on Segiri at least once. It is genuinely comical how much TP she's capable of accumulating, but it really is a shame it mostly just makes for an Amazing farm with little additional benefit.
One factor that got left out of consideration here is the heroes' force affiliations, which is important for TP generation since matching force with the chain order nets a +5 bonus. Riku & Manana get the unique perk of counting as both Agnus and Keves, which gives them high TP gain on all actions and makes the entire party generate more TP during their order. Monica, Ghondor, Gray, and Masha are all lost numbers, meaning the rest of the party can't force match on their orders, and they can only get the bonus on their own. And Ino has the same deal but with nopon caravan affiliation unique to her.
not sure if this means he could be a DLC hero...or perhaps there where plans on making him a Hero in the story...but was cut somewhere during development and it was just left there
@@bulborb8756 the ongoing theory is that they planned for you to unlock chain attack much earlier in the story given the work put into him. There's also dummy slots for Nimue and Joran iirc. Hope that Monolith made them free dlc heroes later on
@@huyhoangminhdo7738 Nimue's Hero quest would be very similar to Miyabi's: she sacrifices herself, resurrects, becomes an enemy, fights the party, recognizes Taion, and joins the party.
@@brunosanto3488 fyi, Miyabi didn't die. She has the same tattoo as Noah and other 8 terms characters so Y probably captured her and toyed around with off-seer melody so that he could finish his whole experiment or whatnot
@@huyhoangminhdo7738 I actually expected Joran to become a powerful healer hero later on, since he has quite a unique weapon design (this magic-wand-healer-thing).
If you have Spoiler Hero #2 hold Veneris Rings (At start of Chain Attack, increases TP by 20) it makes them S-tier or at least fringe S-tier IMO. You can hit Amazing every single part of the chain attack with ease. Awesome list though, I agree with everything. Ashera is the best! Sucks how some heroes are bottlenecked by crappy chain orders and heroic chains -_-
I like to run my heroes with the accessory that lets them revive without being a healer class since they aren't the best anyway. Especially since I like to run Ashera for chain attacks and the additional revive can be really helpful while I am buff stacking using the signifer class and don't want to stop accumulating buffs.
Hi Enel I am a fan! I love your videos! I know you are asking us which guides we would like to see, but I would really love to hear you complete thoughts on the game as a whole, just like your Definitive Breakdown video on Xenoblade Definitive Edition, as well as maybe your hopes for what you want out of the DLC story and Challenge Battles. I love hearing your thoughts on these games!
you seemed to forget to talk about mwamba's use in chain attacks so i will his heroic chain works like this if Mwamba fills the tp meter over 100% he automatically fills it to amazing and does damage to the target equal to 150% on dmg dealt during that round of the chain attack. his heroic order is even more insane his heroic order is known as full combo which during the next round of the chain attack everyone who attacks will automatically break topple launch then smash the monster leading to insane damage.
Fiona has lower cooldowns on her Aureole and Resonant Flag arts, making her more competent at buff stacking than expected given the ai control. Wish Monolith applied that more widely across the other heroes to make them more effective outside of chain attacks.
something to mention about healing in chain attacks, I found one of the bonuses that increaes TP is having full health when attacking, why? not sure, but its... effective feel the need to interject a bit, with Fiona specifically, she is an S tier, yes, but kinda volitle, since you dont want to see her order 1st round, 2nd round is ok but thritd round is perfect, cause what she does is fill the gauge by half specifically, so the max possible orders with her is 6 orders + 1 ouroboros order, to the basic 4 orders + 1 Ouroboros order, also should be noted, using Fiona Chain bonus correctly, easily garantees Amazings as soon as round 2
Ashera is my favourite for practical reasons (an extra launch art so my Incursor can go in, and then both her Chain Attack Order and heroic chain kick ass), but my overall favourite hero is Alexandria. Fiona has the bonus of being a Signifer which just means extra buffs, so she's amazing too. It's such a crime that I can't control the Heroes.
Will there be a video with best class party combinations? Ie for high dps, survival, chain attack, etc. What I really miss in this game is some sort of class loadout system that you can save and quickly swap before a fight cause I often found myself with the wrong classes equipped just for the characters to learn them and bumped into harder enemies for which I was woefully unprepared
Just finished the game and had no idea the chain attack gauge dictated how many rounds you got I thought it was just always 4 if you can make it + an ouroboros. Or 2 ouros if you start at lvl 3 in the form.
Will you be doing a general best team setup video? if not can you recommend a team comp for end game? I struggle with a ton of bosses and the videos ive seen and tried out I just get mopped. also on that note will you be doing a challenge mode guide?
Strategos is pronounced as Strat (as in speedrun strat) Tea (as in the drink) Ghos (as in Ghost) It is the Greek word for Army Leader. You can look up the word if you want to hear how it is pronounced too.
Triton may not be the most useful hero but I'm still tempted to use him anyway because he's Triton (plus there was this one time where he got the plus 50 TP effect every round which I know doesn't really mean much but still).
I feel Like Melia also Is very Close to asheras Level in chain Attacks as Like esppecially in Stage 3 interlink she guarantees an excellent Chain (I partwise get 250% easily lol) and can do from my Experience pretty Big damage And she is my fav Cara of the Series soooo
Question: Would Noah's Chain Order cancel out Eunie's, Taion's, and the other defense reducing Chain Orders? Like, does his defense pierce ignore even negative defense valued? Ngl I've been avoiding using his Chain Order for that very reason .. don't know for sure yet.
I couldn't agree more with the S tier :'-) On a side note, you probably should have added spoiler warnings as well for Miyabi and Camuravi since you spend a decent chunk of the main story thinking they're dead before actually unlocking them as heroes.
True, actually... then again, for Camurravi the game literally shows you his silhoutte in the Class screen. I always found that weird that they showed all classes (except the final 2 ofc) early there.
@@MarkusHobelsberger the best silhouette fake out is Ghondor, I totally thought it was gonna be Shania lmao. I just wondered why the pig tails looked a little different, that was a cool one
Since you asked, it is pronounced Struh-tee-gouh. The "G" is pronounced as in Goat and not Giant. Love your tier videos. Specially, the older ones for xbc2. Helped a lot with team building.
I had with Zeon once a party wipe exept for Zeon, and him healing faster than the enemie could damage him (he has a regenerate effect when low on health), but the enemies also had a healer so it just kept going 😞
Will I make another timestamp for this tier list? Of course I will!
Timestamps:
Ethel - 1:56
Valdi - 3:05
Zeon - 4:15
Teach - 5:18
Riku & Manana - 6:21
Gray - 7:40
Isurd - 8:32
Juniper - 9:30
Ashera - 10:12
Alexandria - 11:19
Monica - 12:17
Fiona - 13:22
Triton - 14:25
Ghondor - 15:18
Miyabi - 16:03
Cammuravi - 17:14
Segiri - 18:05
*SPOILER HEROES*
Spoiler Hero #1 - 19:10
Spoiler Hero #2 - 20:11
Complete Tier List - 21:02
You forgot to add Mwamba
@@AgentFyrous I’m sorry for my grave error. I will do better in the future to not disrespect the legend known as Mwamba.
@@slimslendey3945 I guess mwamba is the new juju now
Mwamba is so powerful he prevents you from using any other hero while he's around. Truly deserving of his top placement
You literally physically cannot use any other hero over Mwamba. That's how good he is.
i love Mwamba's chain attack order where he knocks out every enemy in the game including every single boss
YOOOOOOO NO WAY ITS TERRAPOG
Don't forget, Mwamba can summon Cloud SeaKing Ken if you hit the enemy on the knees..
Damn straight, Final Headshot is the best Chain Order, better even than Ouroborous
@@deemandude6131 not as good as Sharla’s headshot though obviously
He really mwamb'ed all over them
Mwamba is Gatekeeper from 3 houses all over again. We love him even though he contributes absolutely nothing
wdym mwamba is the best hero by far, he’s so good that you only get 1% of his power in early game, but he is always there, even if you don’t know it
@@lebruh267 by ‘contributes absolutely nothing’ he actually means that all Mwamba has to do is stand there, and evil evaporators before his radiance
@@tylercoon1791 that’s contributing
@@tylercoon1791 mwamba can contribute infinitely just by him existing
Mwamba never left group. He was technically there the ENTIRE TIME.
Don't believe me? Go into your accessories list and look for one that's equipped to him.
And don't you DARE think about removing it from him!!!
MWAMBA BE PRAISED!!!!!
Don’t forget SSS Tier: MWAMBA, BABYYYYY LETS GO MWAMBA SWEEP SHARPSHOOTER #1 ONE DAY FROM RETIREMENT OH YEAH BABY
HELL YEAH MWAMBA Y E S
Bro needs some Mwambussy STAT
Dlc story better be about him and absolutely nothing else
my favorite part of the game was when he said "it's mwambin' time!" and totally mwamb'd all over everyone, rolling credits 30 minutes in
PUSH THE MWAMBAGENDA!!!!!
Did you know that Ashera doesn't fear death? She loves saying "I don't fear death, so bring it". I just want people to be aware that she doesn't fear death.
She'll also say "Think you can take me?" on occasion. Clearly this means that she is a terrifying adversary and is not to be trifled with.
She also says "So I guess this really is the Xenoblade Chronicles" which means that this is the Xenoblade Chronicles
@@conorb.1901 Perhaps she was a certain Mor Ardain soldier in a previous life
I thought she was saying "I don't fear THEM so bring it"
AHAHA MWAMBA IS THE GIRL WITH THE MVP YOURE ALL THINKING IT
Fun Fact: Mwamba actually has a unique chain attack render as well as a completion bonus and heroic chain in the files, although those last two are just copies of other characters ones. His Heroic chain is a clone of Teach's and his Completion bonus is a clone of Monica's/Miyabi's.
What are you talking about, his chain attack skill is "Mwambin time", the best skill in the game, where he just Mwambs all over the enemies
I wonder if there were Plans to make him a Hero as a NG+ bonus, but they scrapped it last minute?
@@Ixbran or unfinished since you’d have to also have his class playable
The worst part about this game. You can’t put Ogre class on Fiona. Missed opportunity by Monolith
you can use Fiona as Ogre, I don't want to Spoil anyone but, the Hero Quest needs to be done at night and for her Ascension it involves having a male ogre in your party and fighting a dragon superboss
She'd literally solo Zanza-
keep playing.. it is possible
@@phoenix1307 lol what
@@rhettmitchell it’s a shreck reference
Mwamba must be memed into reality. Mwamba is the hero we need. The hero we deserve. His attacks can be Red Flag (AoE tosses red flags everywhere), One Day from Retirement, Too Soon, Saw That Coming (daze), and Homecoming (damage up on cancellation). Chain Attack: Mwambuster (reduces enemy physical defense to 0). Heroic Chain: Raises own TP by Mwambillion% and splits it evenly among active party members, unable to be reactivated.
Nah he reduces physical defense to -400%
He legitimately has a skill called “I’ll Survive!”
Expansion pass coming. So we never know right? LOL
He should have a skill called Death Flag too.
The attack names 💀💀💀
The "Mwambin' Time! order really comes in clutch against the last few bosses and superbosses by having Mwamba twerk on the enemy, killing them instantly. He might be able to break into S++ tier if doing this didn't also crash the game. Oh well.
It just can’t handle the Mwambaness, the Mwambitude, or the Mwambality of it all
Zeon being low-tier is fine by me BECAUSE
He's still S-tier for when you're not doing max-level content. Because of Guardian Commander's protection skill, he's literally a free deathward for as long as he's alive. The amount of times I've been able to avoid dying by hugging Zeon until my healers could actually heal me is genuinely too many to count; for that reason alone, I refuse to acknowledge any other hero for story progression.
Lanz in Guardian Commander is impossible to kill. I literally 1v1'd the Jingoistic Gigantus for two hours, and came out on top.
Me but when I use Lanz as a seraph and just go apeshit with spamming arts tbhhhh
i love zeon for this reason, and he's great specifically for running really aggressive lone exile setups. plus, he functions great as a topple bot, as that was by far the bottleneck for my combos without waiting for master arts to come off cooldown.. as such, zeon easily enabled me to never actually worry about aggro management, and usually not even another tank in the party due to being able to hug him. moments of switching between other party members for various things was also tense and fun, due to being on a pretty strict time limit of leaving my lone exile to AI control, and keeping track of big tank busters in general to talent art/master art evade through.
tl;dr, zeon made my playthrough very very fun by the end of the game
Not on Zeon but on his class during THAT fight in chapter 5 (No spoilers but I'm sure a lot of people had trouble with it.) All of my party died at around 1/3 left on the boss and when I tell you they just could not kill me and I was able to finish out the fight!
Some things on heroes I didn't see covered:
Teach - Gets a unique art with a damage ratio that's 510% iirc. Still won't be outdamaging the best of the heroes, but it's something
Juniper - Her Art Follow Up field has a noticeably larger radius than the Ouroboros version. I haven't tested yet to see if it's stronger with its damage, though
Triton - Okay, hear me out: Low rolling can be really good. If Triton's at 0 TP, he's basically an extra smack for less than 10 TP, which, mind you, isn't much compared to Fiona or Ashera, but it's something
*Miyabi - Your pfp is literally Miyabi. Of course you're biased
Small thing but isn’t Juniper non-binary? Don’t all characters avoid using gendered pronouns on them?
@@geneticjen9312 the game doesn't make a big deal about it so some folks are gonna miss it.
@@geneticjen9312 No idea, bro
@@pavo116 gives more damage when you chain arts I think
@@pavo116 Every time you use an art while within the field, it does a bit of damage that scales off of attack. I don't know the exsct multiplier, but if you know how small spike damage is, it's kind of like that
Melia gets automatic S++ tier for still having to suffer for so long even after losing her family and many of her brethren and still being so selfless
poor Melly, Monolith doesnt let her catch a break.
Melia's Ascension Quest is just as heart-wrenching as XC3's ending. Now I can't even hear XC1 battle quotes without tearing up.
I will say that in early game hard mode, heroes like Valdi and Zeon that have orders which matter when you fail to kill the enemy are more impactful than when rating at the end of the game just because your options are very limited when these heroes are relevant, so it's actually very helpful to use a chain attack really early for healing/armor veil/aggro reduction when it's looking very dangerous for you.
Can confirm. I can't count the times Zeon's Armor Veil saved my ass after the chain attack ended in very dangerous battles.
WORD. There's no telling how many times Valdi saved my sorry butt on my first playthrough
Teach unironically saved my butt multiple times in chapter 3. I REFUSE to believe he's any less than A tier.
Yeah this list seems to be listing endgame potential- which while great for that content isn't a good game wide tier list as it kinda ignores how a hero does in the early and midgame, especially when the better heroes aren't available.
valdis healing is so fucking strong - he makes every fight pretty much trivial unless you are ultra underleveled or you have bad luck with all your healers instantly dying...
Interestingly, Fiona's 120% TP boost does actually have a strong niche. It can be used in a set-up with Taion on a Soulhacker tank to have an amazing on round 1.
Taion with the starting TP skill and Veneris Rings starts a chain attack with 65 TP. With Fiona, this becomes 78. With role match + force match, that's 93 minimum TP so at 99 TP you only need an additional 8 TP from the attack to get an amazing, which at all hard to achieve. With that you can get pretty much a guaranteed amazing every round provided you don't mess up. It isn't as reliable as Ashera but it is something fun to consider.
I disagree Riku and Manana are the best as they Have double the Nopon of any previous Nopon.
Not having a PLAYABLE nopon character in this game is a massive oversight by the devs, though.
@@MarkusHobelsberger Just wait for the Tatsu DLC
As soon as I saw Ashera's Chain Attack effects, I knew she was absolutely the best hero to use in the game. Literally guaranteed to completely destroy whatever it is you're fighting lmao
Defenders really got done dirty in regards to quantity and quality (There aren't any Defender classes in S-Tier and Ashera is Top-Tier more because of her Chain attack ability than any actual defending). There are only like 5 Defender classes/heroes compared to other roles (Healers have 8, Attackers have 12). Hopefully the DLC heroes can patch this issue up. Until then Ashera will have to hard-carry.
yeah i don't get why there's so few tank classes in this game as they make up 20% of all classes in the game, plus none of the defender class heroes are required to be obtained in order to finish the main story (meaning you can literally ignore Ashera, Zeon and Monica and still beat the game as their Hero Quests aren't mandatory)
Luckily, we know at least one Defender character, who could (should) become a hero (though Monolith would have to make some changes to give him a unique class).
@@missgolgistain5801 what character are you talking about
@@ancientshiv9837 Starts with B like best girl.
@@missgolgistain5801 bro just say who it is
honestly, I found Valdi's extra TP against machines to be really good, most of the enemies in the final area are considered machines by the game (which is weird but fine) so it's a really nice spot to get overkills
I’m not surprised the final enemies are considered machines since they’re pretty much constructed by a machine and look like machines too
but outside of that, Valdi does run into problems, especially when it comes to Superbosses where he's pretty much next to useless against them due to none of them being machines
The final area is a giant CPU, so of course there are machine enemies.
@@AlexaRobin21 Sadly it run Windows so it got hacked easily...
@@AlexaRobin21 Taion: "they aren't machines"
The gameplay: "they are machines"
The best hero is definitely you Enel for making all of these great guides
Choosing Enel gives you an "Amazing" no matter what, refills the chain attack gauge, grants Power Charge, adds 200% to the attack meter and also brings back Enel every round. He also starts with 50 base TP.
@@MarkusHobelsberger You know Enel is the perfect chain attack hero when the devs decided that his base tp value was too high and nerfed him down to 50. Truly the Xenoblade content creator we don't deserve
It's nice how none of them are actively terrible. Also miyabi carried me through the final boss
Teach is kinda just a detriment with the minimal damage and 100 HP heals though
Fiona took care of that for me.
@@xenocross6597 Fiona also carried me through all the super bosses lol
Same! lol
Amazing Thumbnail Artwork
I Wanna Watch this til the end...
but I haven't beaten the game yet.
I'll be back!
hey Enel, I've been on this channel for a couple of years now. Just wanted to say I appreciate a lot of what you do, started on the switch late and played both XC games when they were already figured out but your channel definitely helped me a lot, now that I've started XC3, alongside you, I've figured out a lot of stuff on my own as well and made some guides myself, but I'm always looking forward to these vids, since I still learn a lot from it. I hope you continue to make guides and speed runs, more power to you.
great stuff as usual. idk how you can pump these out daily, but i respect the grind.
Your guides just keep coming at the best times. Keep up the great content!
The best part of this game is when Moebius is about to Moeb the party and shouts out “now it’s finally moebin’ time!” But then Mwamba suddenly jumps out and shoots Moebius in the face, all while saying his famous line “well that’s where you’re wrong, cause it’s actually mwambin’ time!” And then the game ends with a dance party with the chain attack theme playing in the background.
Haven't tried it on hard yet but I really liked running the Lifesage hero as a way to not need any healers (besides signifer) so I can have an extra DPS slot, she finally got her time to shine in gameplay
Basically (according to Gameplay):
- Earlier Heroes are decent, but easily replaceable with other Heroes later on.
- Mid-Term Heroes are a mixed bag: some are great and some are not.
- Heroes gained by Story are generally... bad (with ONLY ONE saving grace)
- Late Heroes are bad (with three exceptions) or have replaceable DPS syndrome or late arrivals.
- Special Heroes (Melia and Nia) after finishing the game are good in their roles.
Conclusions:
- Keves's Heroes are inconsistent: they are good or they are bad (or it depends on the situation)
- #AgnusSweep. Most of Agnus's Heroes are consistent, fulfill their roles and help in the game (with the exception of two bastards)
- There is no "It's Moebin Time" if you chose the Representative Hero.
Now. Hero Tier List based on their personality, interactions or quests?
No moebin' time? Instant 0/10 game and class
I can't say Juniper and Teach are doing so hot as Heroes.
Juniper S tier. My man Kite is ungodly based for seeing the light with her
@@acekotana4425 Sadly. There is no "It's Moebin Time" for the subject whose name begins with "T", but his class is very useful... for people other than Moebius.
@@AlexaRobin21 That's why I said there are two bastards who won't let the #AgnusSweep be real.
Personally i used Teach almost at all times after getting him. He's just cool, and i don't care too much about the absolute optimal setup
I like having Segiri in the party because a big robot following me around is cool, no matter how useless the class mechanics end up being
I love when he does a million movements with his nunchakus and then he just punches you with his left hand
He's also really good when you get him, a third reviver with some healing capabilities, an Armor Veil field, and pretty good damage on top of that, along with his chain order being cracked before you unlock Ouroboros orders, makes him feel how he is in lore. He also never draws aggro for some reason, even after firing off five All-Slayers in a row. This was with GC Lanz and a dead Zephyr Mio btw.
As a note about Cammuravi, since you didn't mention it:
His heroic chain only takes effect if he goes first, this means you could use him 2nd to raise his tp like normal and then on a subsequent round his base tp will be higher than 15, making the 200% multiplier much more impactful.
I've had some really easy amazings thanks to him, but it does require a little set up on the first couple rounds and luck with reactivations
I like Zeon for farming. It's an early topple art, which can allow you finish a burst in the first 8-9 seconds of a fight. This is especially helpful when farming level 9 or 15 unique enemies for level X gem materials, because you can burst them before they die, making the farm 2x faster.
I like to stick Noble Taunt on him too - he can help pull aggro in between Burst combos if none of the tanks have aggro for some reason. You really want a tank to have aggro to get consistent breaks.
Admittedly, that's somewhat niche because a good tank will attain and keep aggro, but having that Topple art early is really helpful. That way if your main tank's topple art gets resisted, you can still execute the burst and give time for the master art topples on other characters time to catch up.
I'd give him an S-tier for farming because there is no reason to run anyone else. You can run 2 Ogres for Break, a Medic Gunner for Daze + extras, and 2 Troubadours with Daze, Topple and Burst. Topple is really the only early art you need to stack on.
Haha Zeon farming
yeap zeon for farming🤣
We all like Zeon farming
You might need to remake this video after the Archsage's Gauntlet has been released.
Thank you for the tier list! Interesting insight on some characters usefulness that I had inklings about.
I hope in a future update Heroes become controllable, get 1 more art, then have the leftside arts able to be filled with all that Hero's arts.
yeah i would use Alexandria everytime if that happens
My guy, that would mean Teach gets to fuse All-slayer with Spearpoint thrust in chains, do you understand how much damage that is?
I hope mwamba becomes a permanent, unremovable hero
@@Kittycat7070- Yeah who knows, maybe we’ll see a free update someday that brings him back, apparently he does have some data suggesting he was planned to be a fully fledged hero.
LETSGO, I've been waiting for this tier list
Love your videos! It is great to have someone making such amazing Xenoblade content, helping me understand and better enjoy the combat of the game, without having to worry about being spoiled.
Let’s gooo! Another tier list!!
Great video thank you!
Another tier list hype! All of the heroes have pretty cool designs at the very least.
Oh nice I was already using Ashera since she has launch and is so badass. Also super useful in chain attacks. Guess I chose wisely Haha. Wow Enel you've done a video pretty much daily for weeks now...much appreciated my guy.
Interesting to consider two lists: "Heroes who are better than their classes" (Ashera, Segiri?) and "Classes who are better than their heroes" (everybody else?)
Though if you count attack animations, then Teach is far better than his class - those Bruce Lee nunchaku backfist body blows are way better than the Thaumaturge generic staff swinging your characters do
Signifier be like: I'm always on top no matter what 😈
@@TARDISES oh yeah, you're absolutely correct
@@TARDISES Precisely
Thanks for these great guides Enel! I'm sure you have many video ideas planned, but I would like to see a "Best master arts and skills to get from all classes" guide
Great video as usual enel keep up the great content honestly was hoping the hero’s we would be able to actually control them would be a very cool feature
Could you please cover the oft-forgotten Sharpshooter class next? I'd be interested in learning how it stacks up to FMJ.
it's too broken
@@EnelXC Honestly, when it comes to the class system, it's just too biased towards Attackers; there's twelve of those, eight Healers, and a measly five Defenders.
I'm just hoping the two DLC classes will join the blue team, bringing it up to 7.
@@PokeMaster22222 Judging by the hero silhouette, it'd be one weird defender
@@dinotaco4651 if it’s Poppi then it could be possible
@@dinotaco4651 Silhouettes can be anything, but I'd be quite disappointed if it's yet another Attacker - there's not nearly enough Defender diversity.
There's a ton of different Attackers, and a few different takes on Healers, but Defenders? Heavy Guard, Guardian Commander, and Lost Vanguard are all just slightly different face tanks; Zephyr and Lone Exile are Agility tanks. The game would've been more enjoyable if there were more variety here.
How about a more aggressive Defender, that has elements of an Attacker? Or a Defender with some healing, or buffing, elements?
I was legit looking for this today after getting a bunch of heroes, thank GOD Enel is here to save the day for us all yet again.
Poor Mwamba. Never really got the chance to truly strut his stuff.
And who the heck remembers Hackt?
At least none of these Heroes are outright awful.
All of your videos are fantastic. Thanks for taking the time to produce them.
I appreciate this. I also will be using every hero juste because I like to hear what each one has to say whole traveling the world ^^
Late today cause I was busy beating the game but had to leave a like and comment as always. Thanks for this one Enel, was excited for this!
Hi Enel! Strategos is a Greek word, and is pronounced "Stra" (like strategy), TEA, and Gos (like ghost).
Stra-tee-ghos.
Hopefully that helps! LOVING your content and so proud of your Torna run at GDQ! You did amazing and proud to be a subscriber. 😊
Good list, but you somehow forgot the most powerful hero of them all, Hackt. My man easily clears SS+ tier.
Happy to see Nia up there!
I just did a first pass of all the superbosses today and I was kinda surprised how easy they all went down. Only the first challenge and on normal, but I wasnt even 99 for it and I was still running with a burst-farming setup for getting gems.
I kinda just wanted to see how many I could take down without having to regear into something with some thought .. and Nia carried me through all of them without having to re-set myself up XD
Nia is love, Nia is life. Nia brings life.
Still waiting for that martial artist guide. As always great video Enel. :)
17:34 So a small thing about Cammuravi's Heroic Chain, that I'm not sure was clearly stated. He only reverts back to the TP he had of the round he goes first in. So if you use him second, and he gets to let's say 30 TP, he will keep that when reacitvated, then if you use him first next round, he doubles after all the bonuses, and next time he will revert back to 30 TP, not 15. Do I think this makes his Heroic chain good? No, cause if you get that set up he will likely complete the order with only barely being above 100, and the only way to really get use out of it is using him second a bunch to try to get one really good round with him in like the last or second to last order. But he doesn't go back to 15 each time.
Yeah, his Hero chain would be good if we could choose when it goes off but we never want to use him first cause he becomes useless in later rounds and in said later rounds we can't use him to finish orders since we want him to go last but he doesn't get the bouns so he is useless in CA'a.
Strategos is hard G, like ghost without the T. It's the ancient greek word for army leader. The word is a compound of the words 'strate', meaning army, and agos, meaning leader.
Heyo this video came out faster than I thought. Thanks Enel ❤️ u.
Messing around with Segiri and had Taion on Incursors and got really lucky managing to break both 300% and 400%tp, did really make me wish there was an extra bonus for it though
I don't remember what my record is, but I want to say I've managed something like 500 TP on Segiri at least once. It is genuinely comical how much TP she's capable of accumulating, but it really is a shame it mostly just makes for an Amazing farm with little additional benefit.
I did 647% for me she’s better than Ashera. I replaced my girl with the killer assassin. Takes skill and a bit of luck.
One factor that got left out of consideration here is the heroes' force affiliations, which is important for TP generation since matching force with the chain order nets a +5 bonus.
Riku & Manana get the unique perk of counting as both Agnus and Keves, which gives them high TP gain on all actions and makes the entire party generate more TP during their order.
Monica, Ghondor, Gray, and Masha are all lost numbers, meaning the rest of the party can't force match on their orders, and they can only get the bonus on their own.
And Ino has the same deal but with nopon caravan affiliation unique to her.
Lets gooo, we eating good. Awesome work Enel
Let's goo a tier list
Lmao, Mwamba actually has a chain order and Heroic effect according to datamine believe it or not
not sure if this means he could be a DLC hero...or perhaps there where plans on making him a Hero in the story...but was cut somewhere during development and it was just left there
@@bulborb8756 the ongoing theory is that they planned for you to unlock chain attack much earlier in the story given the work put into him. There's also dummy slots for Nimue and Joran iirc. Hope that Monolith made them free dlc heroes later on
@@huyhoangminhdo7738 Nimue's Hero quest would be very similar to Miyabi's: she sacrifices herself, resurrects, becomes an enemy, fights the party, recognizes Taion, and joins the party.
@@brunosanto3488 fyi, Miyabi didn't die. She has the same tattoo as Noah and other 8 terms characters so Y probably captured her and toyed around with off-seer melody so that he could finish his whole experiment or whatnot
@@huyhoangminhdo7738 I actually expected Joran to become a powerful healer hero later on, since he has quite a unique weapon design (this magic-wand-healer-thing).
If you have Spoiler Hero #2 hold Veneris Rings (At start of Chain Attack, increases TP by 20) it makes them S-tier or at least fringe S-tier IMO.
You can hit Amazing every single part of the chain attack with ease.
Awesome list though, I agree with everything. Ashera is the best!
Sucks how some heroes are bottlenecked by crappy chain orders and heroic chains -_-
How do you rank the 2 dlc characters? Thanks
Nice ! Good Work, Nice video
Like the new profile pic and also I agree with this tier list. Nice work!
Monica is S tier because that pose before her chain order attack makes me swoon every time
I like to run my heroes with the accessory that lets them revive without being a healer class since they aren't the best anyway. Especially since I like to run Ashera for chain attacks and the additional revive can be really helpful while I am buff stacking using the signifer class and don't want to stop accumulating buffs.
enel tier: ashera, flag girl
pleb tier: everyone else
Great guide as always! Here’s a comment for the algorithm.
Segiri is so good for chain attacks
She is like the only hero that I was able to get to give 300tp in a single hit
Hi Enel I am a fan! I love your videos!
I know you are asking us which guides we would like to see, but I would really love to hear you complete thoughts on the game as a whole, just like your Definitive Breakdown video on Xenoblade Definitive Edition, as well as maybe your hopes for what you want out of the DLC story and Challenge Battles. I love hearing your thoughts on these games!
It's a hard G in Strategos, same as the G at the beginning of gun or goose. Also, the emphasis is on "te": stra-TE-gos. Great vid!
Peak content as always
Good use for issurd is a 7 healers team it allows you to guarantee a continued chain attack more or less
I really love bringing Triton, not for combat but just to hear the great voice actor.
I'm pretty sure Triton's VA is the XC2 announcer, so it's nice to have him in spirit
@@totalradlad Had to look it up as it seemed to good to be true. Thanks for the info as I never made the connection.
you seemed to forget to talk about mwamba's use in chain attacks so i will
his heroic chain works like this
if Mwamba fills the tp meter over 100% he automatically fills it to amazing and does damage to the target equal to 150% on dmg dealt during that round of the chain attack.
his heroic order is even more insane
his heroic order is known as full combo which during the next round of the chain attack everyone who attacks will automatically break topple launch then smash the monster leading to insane damage.
I love that heroes actually have unique arts
Your next video should cover good team compositions! I'm curious to see how you stack your team to take advantage of the best classes
Fiona has lower cooldowns on her Aureole and Resonant Flag arts, making her more competent at buff stacking than expected given the ai control. Wish Monolith applied that more widely across the other heroes to make them more effective outside of chain attacks.
something to mention about healing in chain attacks, I found one of the bonuses that increaes TP is having full health when attacking, why? not sure, but its... effective
feel the need to interject a bit, with Fiona specifically, she is an S tier, yes, but kinda volitle, since you dont want to see her order 1st round, 2nd round is ok but thritd round is perfect, cause what she does is fill the gauge by half specifically, so the max possible orders with her is 6 orders + 1 ouroboros order, to the basic 4 orders + 1 Ouroboros order, also should be noted, using Fiona Chain bonus correctly, easily garantees Amazings as soon as round 2
Ashera supremacy you absolutely love to see it
Literally was gonna comment for this video today lol
nice one mwamba!
Ashera is my favourite for practical reasons (an extra launch art so my Incursor can go in, and then both her Chain Attack Order and heroic chain kick ass), but my overall favourite hero is Alexandria. Fiona has the bonus of being a Signifer which just means extra buffs, so she's amazing too. It's such a crime that I can't control the Heroes.
Will there be a video with best class party combinations? Ie for high dps, survival, chain attack, etc. What I really miss in this game is some sort of class loadout system that you can save and quickly swap before a fight cause I often found myself with the wrong classes equipped just for the characters to learn them and bumped into harder enemies for which I was woefully unprepared
Appreciating the xenosaga music 🙏
I pon you pon we all pon for nopon = S tier
Unrelated to the current video but I would love to see if and where Xenoblade 3 boss fights rank in your top 10 Xeno series boss fights
Just finished the game and had no idea the chain attack gauge dictated how many rounds you got I thought it was just always 4 if you can make it + an ouroboros. Or 2 ouros if you start at lvl 3 in the form.
Will you be doing a general best team setup video? if not can you recommend a team comp for end game? I struggle with a ton of bosses and the videos ive seen and tried out I just get mopped.
also on that note will you be doing a challenge mode guide?
Strategos is pronounced as
Strat (as in speedrun strat)
Tea (as in the drink)
Ghos (as in Ghost)
It is the Greek word for Army Leader. You can look up the word if you want to hear how it is pronounced too.
Which syllable has the emphasis?
StRAtegos
StraTEgos
StrateGOS
@@zaxtonhong3958 Stra TEE gos
Triton may not be the most useful hero but I'm still tempted to use him anyway because he's Triton (plus there was this one time where he got the plus 50 TP effect every round which I know doesn't really mean much but still).
I feel Like Melia also Is very Close to asheras Level in chain Attacks as Like esppecially in Stage 3 interlink she guarantees an excellent Chain (I partwise get 250% easily lol) and can do from my Experience pretty Big damage
And she is my fav Cara of the Series soooo
Question: Would Noah's Chain Order cancel out Eunie's, Taion's, and the other defense reducing Chain Orders? Like, does his defense pierce ignore even negative defense valued?
Ngl I've been avoiding using his Chain Order for that very reason .. don't know for sure yet.
defense pierce applies first, setting defense to 0, then the eunie and taion ones apply.
@@EnelXC So with both active, defense goes down into the negative for more damage?
I couldn't agree more with the S tier :'-)
On a side note, you probably should have added spoiler warnings as well for Miyabi and Camuravi since you spend a decent chunk of the main story thinking they're dead before actually unlocking them as heroes.
True, actually... then again, for Camurravi the game literally shows you his silhoutte in the Class screen. I always found that weird that they showed all classes (except the final 2 ofc) early there.
@@MarkusHobelsberger the best silhouette fake out is Ghondor, I totally thought it was gonna be Shania lmao. I just wondered why the pig tails looked a little different, that was a cool one
@@MarkusHobelsberger Yeah I really wish they were just all kept hidden...
I gave a Memory Locket to any non-healer hero so they can also support the group as a resurrect bot in actual combat. Only possible in post-game tho
Since you asked, it is pronounced Struh-tee-gouh. The "G" is pronounced as in Goat and not Giant. Love your tier videos. Specially, the older ones for xbc2. Helped a lot with team building.
Judging by your guides you must be a really good teacher.
I have a comment like this in the Class tier list video, but where would you rank Ino? I haven't used her enough to make a judgement yet.
I had with Zeon once a party wipe exept for Zeon, and him healing faster than the enemie could damage him (he has a regenerate effect when low on health), but the enemies also had a healer so it just kept going 😞