Thanks for the video. I have also explored this subject through Jared Diamond’s book Collapse as well as the Fall of Civilizations podcast. I have to disagree with your reasoning regarding the Norse settlers and the “natives”. When Eric the Red founded the Greenland colony around 1000 AD this would have been the Dorset people. The Dorset died out around 1200-1300 AD at a time when the Greenland Norse were still thriving. The Dorset were subsequently replaced by the Thule people, thus making the Norse the indigenous population from the Thule’s perspective.
The Inuits had disappeared from Greenland before the Norse arrived and didn’t return until Norse settlers had been in Greenland a couple hundred years. Might want to do a quick Wikipedia search
The indigenous people in the eastern arctic at the time the Norse arrived were the Dorset not the Inuit. The Thule people immigrate into the eastern arctic and supplant the Dorset. Today we know these people as the Inuit.
Thank you all for your kind comments! I'm still very new to making videos haha, so hopefully I'll improve over time! Feel free to suggest topics for future videos. 😁
The Thule culture brought in the modern-day Kalaallisut language and its sister dialects around the same time as Icelanders were settling in the largely uninhabited south. I'm not sure if we even know if there's any continuation of the Dorset, Independent I & II or Saqqaq cultures that spilled over into the Thule culture. So Old Norse might predate modern Greenlandic as the language and culture of the land. Many people don't like to hear this, but I don't think it would affect the brotherly Icelandic-Greenlandic relations of today.
Quite a few things wrong in this video. 1. The Dorset people and the Thule Inuit's, are not the same people. It was the Dorset people who lived in Greenland, when Scandinavians arrived. The Inuit's didn't arrive until around the year 1200. The Dorset and the Inuit's lived far from each other, and there wasn't much interaction. 2. That makes calling the Scandinavians invaders, while calling the Inuit's the native completely wrong. 3. There wasn't a lack of wood. There is plenty of drift wood in the area, which they used extensively. 4. Skrælling does not translate to wretch. It had one of two meanings, that might have changed over time. It either means "weakling" or people who wear leather/fur clothing. The Scandinavians wore wool clothing. The original word is very close to the word for leather or skin from an animal. The Inuit's had a word for Scandinavians as well. That word was Kablunæt, which they used to distinguish themselves from non Inuit's. The word translates to something like foreigner or white person. 5. Greenland was only to a small degree affected by the medieval warm period. 6. The theory the vikings should have sold all their belongings to get home, is a bit far fetched. The fact that Scandinavian valuables was found amongst the Inuit's, either supports the theory that the Inuit's killed the vikings or that the had a trading relationship. We know the Inuit's did raids on the the Scandinavians. In one of those instances they killed 18 adult males. Your stubbornness in painting a picture of the evil white man, makes this more fantasy than reality. Claiming that name calling had anything to do with it, makes no sense. You are trying way too hard to put everything into a modern context, which means you will never understand the past. Everybody had a name for others than themselves, it was not like the Inuit's were extremely polite, using the right pronouns and everything, and the Scandinavians were just bullies. I have absolutely no doubt, that if there was a plausible theory, where the Scandinavians would have killed all Inuit's, it wouldn't be classified as "a war" but an extermination. But when it is the Scandinavians, you think they probably brought it on themselves, so that must be a war.
Rapid climate change leading to even colder and harsher conditions in Greenland has long been considered the primary reason for the Vikings decline there. Its interesting to note that the worlds climate often changed quite quickly and radically long before man created his industrial technology. Something to consider in todays debate about climate change and the reasons behind it.
@@Orphen42O + they didn't fully adapt to live in the arctic. They seemingly didn't even go fishing and hunting seals (native animal species) of the arctic keeping on relying on their livestock. Disaster just around the corner. We have old stories from the time where the Norse and Inuit met. No total war, but easy to imagine how easy it would be to pick out the cows, the sheep and goats fouraging on the fields and make food security for the Norse nearly impossible. That aside, it seems like that, the Norse lost their economic foundation when it became possible to buy elephant Tusk from Africa, which previous this, the Norse earned good money on walrus and narwhale tusks which were worth more than gold.
thankyou for your good expose :) please note that historical records indicate that the middle ages very warm period ended between 1340-1350 plunging world temperatures down at least ten degrees... This led to an ice age the next 500 years finally ending in the late 19th century... The change in climate made ocean voyages in open Viking boats impossible... Also note that maps in U Cal Berkley.edu show that the was very little ice on Greenland before 1350... The World temps would have to rise several more degrees to reach the levers of the middle ages.. Norse reccords say that Viking age Newfoundland had very mild winters with no snow...
There was no "ice age [for] the next 500 years finally ending in the late 19th century.". There was a colder period (as you mention) nicknamed the 'Little Ice Age'. The idea "show that the was very little ice on Greenland before 1350" is simply not the case. The second largest ice sheet in the world did not form after 1350. The oldest recorded ice in Greenland is at least a million years old.
So many things wrong in such a short comment. No, the Vikings in Greenland was not killed by the Danes, they were the Danes. The word viking is a modern word. In old times, they would have been known as Danes or Norsemen. The "vikings" were gone when Hans Egede arrived again in 1721. Greenland hasn't been a Danish colony since 1953, where Greenland became a part of Denmark. In 1979 they gained home rule, and since 2009 that has been expanded, so they can declare independence when they decide to do so.
Very cool topic and great video. I’m not sure I can see Vikings opting to starve to death when they still had ships and could have started heading back to their home land. Everything else sounds somewhat plausible.
These people arent doing u any favors. Not terrible but this is like a TH-cam vid from 11yrs ago at least. Everything can definitely be better. Step your game up babbydoll!
How many women do you think the Vikings brought with them? There is a reason the North American "Natives" are larger and lighter skinned than their south American and Eskimo counterparts.
@Amalie Olsdatter Maybe the Vikings stayed long enough to produce a generation of Viking-Native Americans who then entered the Scandinavian gene pool. It would be interesting to note if there is Scandinavian DNA in the Native American gene pool that dates back to the 11-12th century.
Thanks for the video. I have also explored this subject through Jared Diamond’s book Collapse as well as the Fall of Civilizations podcast. I have to disagree with your reasoning regarding the Norse settlers and the “natives”. When Eric the Red founded the Greenland colony around 1000 AD this would have been the Dorset people. The Dorset died out around 1200-1300 AD at a time when the Greenland Norse were still thriving. The Dorset were subsequently replaced by the Thule people, thus making the Norse the indigenous population from the Thule’s perspective.
Very concise expose !
Great video. Hope you keep making more videos like this.
The Inuits had disappeared from Greenland before the Norse arrived and didn’t return until Norse settlers had been in Greenland a couple hundred years. Might want to do a quick Wikipedia search
The indigenous people in the eastern arctic at the time the Norse arrived were the Dorset not the Inuit. The Thule people immigrate into the eastern arctic and supplant the Dorset. Today we know these people as the Inuit.
It is such a shame that your channel is small. Great video
Excellent narration... and very interesting :-)
Thank you all for your kind comments! I'm still very new to making videos haha, so hopefully I'll improve over time! Feel free to suggest topics for future videos. 😁
Australia is the largest island.
@@tuathadesidhe1530 Antartica is a very big island as well!
The norse vikings emigrated to the americas.
You are doing very well already
All the vikings in Greenland were killed by Danish colonists. Why?! Innuits now should get an independence from Copenhagen.
very good work
Excellent work!
The Thule culture brought in the modern-day Kalaallisut language and its sister dialects around the same time as Icelanders were settling in the largely uninhabited south. I'm not sure if we even know if there's any continuation of the Dorset, Independent I & II or Saqqaq cultures that spilled over into the Thule culture. So Old Norse might predate modern Greenlandic as the language and culture of the land. Many people don't like to hear this, but I don't think it would affect the brotherly Icelandic-Greenlandic relations of today.
Great video, a lot of good assumptions of what may have happened to these peoples
Excellent
Quite a few things wrong in this video.
1. The Dorset people and the Thule Inuit's, are not the same people. It was the Dorset people who lived in Greenland, when Scandinavians arrived. The Inuit's didn't arrive until around the year 1200. The Dorset and the Inuit's lived far from each other, and there wasn't much interaction.
2. That makes calling the Scandinavians invaders, while calling the Inuit's the native completely wrong.
3. There wasn't a lack of wood. There is plenty of drift wood in the area, which they used extensively.
4. Skrælling does not translate to wretch. It had one of two meanings, that might have changed over time. It either means "weakling" or people who wear leather/fur clothing. The Scandinavians wore wool clothing. The original word is very close to the word for leather or skin from an animal. The Inuit's had a word for Scandinavians as well. That word was Kablunæt, which they used to distinguish themselves from non Inuit's. The word translates to something like foreigner or white person.
5. Greenland was only to a small degree affected by the medieval warm period.
6. The theory the vikings should have sold all their belongings to get home, is a bit far fetched. The fact that Scandinavian valuables was found amongst the Inuit's, either supports the theory that the Inuit's killed the vikings or that the had a trading relationship. We know the Inuit's did raids on the the Scandinavians. In one of those instances they killed 18 adult males.
Your stubbornness in painting a picture of the evil white man, makes this more fantasy than reality. Claiming that name calling had anything to do with it, makes no sense. You are trying way too hard to put everything into a modern context, which means you will never understand the past. Everybody had a name for others than themselves, it was not like the Inuit's were extremely polite, using the right pronouns and everything, and the Scandinavians were just bullies. I have absolutely no doubt, that if there was a plausible theory, where the Scandinavians would have killed all Inuit's, it wouldn't be classified as "a war" but an extermination. But when it is the Scandinavians, you think they probably brought it on themselves, so that must be a war.
Rapid climate change leading to even colder and harsher conditions in Greenland has long been considered the primary reason for the Vikings decline there. Its interesting to note that the worlds climate often changed quite quickly and radically long before man created his industrial technology. Something to consider in todays debate about climate change and the reasons behind it.
The Vikings caused erosion because they deforested an area that already had few trees. and overgrazed their sheep.
@@Orphen42O
+ they didn't fully adapt to live in the arctic.
They seemingly didn't even go fishing and hunting seals (native animal species) of the arctic keeping on relying on their livestock.
Disaster just around the corner.
We have old stories from the time where the Norse and Inuit met. No total war, but easy to imagine how easy it would be to pick out the cows, the sheep and goats fouraging on the fields and make food security for the Norse nearly impossible.
That aside, it seems like that, the Norse lost their economic foundation when it became possible to buy elephant Tusk from Africa, which previous this, the Norse earned good money on walrus and narwhale tusks which were worth more than gold.
Can you please make a video about Indus valley civilization
Vikings houses found up in mountains but also ruins. But why so isolated to others? Starvation or too cold could not cause this only war with native
These were not residence but small shelters for the hunting season.
how about bleak land?
Or they moved west to the continent?
thankyou for your good expose :) please note that historical records indicate that the middle ages very warm period ended between 1340-1350 plunging world temperatures down at least ten degrees... This led to an ice age the next 500 years finally ending in the late 19th century...
The change in climate made ocean voyages in open Viking boats impossible... Also note that maps in U Cal Berkley.edu show that the was very little ice on Greenland before 1350...
The World temps would have to rise several more degrees to reach the levers of the middle ages.. Norse reccords say that Viking age Newfoundland had very mild winters with no snow...
There was no "ice age [for] the next 500 years finally ending in the late 19th century.". There was a colder period (as you mention) nicknamed the 'Little Ice Age'. The idea "show that the was very little ice on Greenland before 1350" is simply not the case. The second largest ice sheet in the world did not form after 1350. The oldest recorded ice in Greenland is at least a million years old.
All the vikings in Greenland were killed by Danish colonists. It's true. Greenland now is a Danish colony.
So many things wrong in such a short comment. No, the Vikings in Greenland was not killed by the Danes, they were the Danes. The word viking is a modern word. In old times, they would have been known as Danes or Norsemen. The "vikings" were gone when Hans Egede arrived again in 1721. Greenland hasn't been a Danish colony since 1953, where Greenland became a part of Denmark. In 1979 they gained home rule, and since 2009 that has been expanded, so they can declare independence when they decide to do so.
Very cool topic and great video.
I’m not sure I can see Vikings opting to starve to death when they still had ships and could have started heading back to their home land.
Everything else sounds somewhat plausible.
Researches have shown that Ships were rare through out the history of these colonies due to the lack of timber. Few owned one
These people arent doing u any favors. Not terrible but this is like a TH-cam vid from 11yrs ago at least. Everything can definitely be better. Step your game up babbydoll!
Assumptions..
It's all assumptions, yes... We don't know for sure. 😁 But I still find it interesting.
They disappeared cause nobody built a mcdonalds :D
How many women do you think the Vikings brought with them? There is a reason the North American "Natives" are larger and lighter skinned than their south American and Eskimo counterparts.
@Duston Call Yeah everyone was back then
@Amalie Olsdatter Maybe the Vikings stayed long enough to produce a generation of Viking-Native Americans who then entered the Scandinavian gene pool. It would be interesting to note if there is Scandinavian DNA in the Native American gene pool that dates back to the 11-12th century.
Written sources shows that Entire families made the journey