Natalie Haynes Stands Up for the Classics (2015)
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- Natalie Haynes is a comedian, author and humanist whose appearance at QED 2013 was noted by many as their highlight of the event. She’s a regular contributor to the Guardian and has written for The Times and The Independent. Before retiring from stand-up comedy in 2009, Natalie became the first female nominee for the Perrier Best Newcomer Award at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival. Her 2014 novel ‘The Amber Fury’ served as a fiction-based follow-up to her previous non-fiction book ‘The Ancient Guide to Modern Life’ - exploring the lessons the modern world can learn from classical societies.
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Wow. Totally captivating. Natalie you are amazing
Totally. She's fantastic. She's really ignited my interest in the classics. I'm not I interested in reading the Latin or Greek translations but the basic half decent English translations, definitely.
Great fun. I remember being so excited and fast talking. 40 years on, it has slowed. Could listen for hours.
Happy to hear her so relaxed, happy to talk to us, as educated, curious, potential friends. I loved it was such a relaxed talk.
I wanted to hug her for being so swearily excited. It is joyful to hear someone just so playfully excited about what is a major classics subject.
I do think ancient Greek and Latin should be better known. It opens doors to so much knowledge and understanding of our language. Plus being able to chase a meaning from a latin root, in a number of languages
Sadly, classical and modern Greek are a mystery to me. Though I do know in earlier centuries, all the scandals, all the sexy stuff in books was in ancient Greek, so only classically educated and constrained gentlemen got the raunchy stuff. No ancient Greek taught to girls - apart from some extraordinary exceptions...
I'm reading her "The ancient Guide to Modern Life" at the moment and I'm immensely enjoying it!
Holy moly she is excellent
Spectacular 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
1:11 knitting complicated pattern while watching something with subtitles
3:06 classics are not for the elite; they've been removed from the schools 3:45 its been hidden away in corners (the Chiaroscuro Age)
4:51 soap has total unity of time
6:30 there are only so many stories in the world
7:13 BBCs drama-writing course teaches first principles
8:22 Greek it up ; Oresteia about intergenerational conflict
very much like amphetamines, and i mean that in a good way.
Could "goat song" not refer to a story with a goat skinned drum as an accompanist? Male goats tend to smell if not castrated but I'd rather have a goat than an oscar. I went to Bradfield which has a greek theatre, unfortunately students and audience weren't encouraged to be drunk.
Excellent content and delivery but try not to be so sweary. Very immature.
The classics are full of filth and swearing! Don't listen if she offends. Whiny easily offended.. ☧More swearing please Natalie...
When you have a deep education or study in language/s, and you DON'T have a religious background, (that may be due to a very prudish, religious grandparent, in distance), which distorts your thinking; you come to understand that ALL words are a just a series of sounds and in the last century or so, spellings, that society agrees means something.
There is nothing offensive in ANY word. 'Swearing' often involves sexual body parts or expulsion of human waste - but there is nothing evil about any of that. It is all either human body parts or the act of sex or expulsion of waste. It is all natural body function. If that is offensive to you, I would suggest you reflect on why a normal bodily function or body part, is classed as offensive in your mind.
It often isn't that logically used in a sentence. Often it can be replaced with VERY - but as a word that some people get offended by, it is used to make an even stronger emphasis, in a conversation. To the point that now, it is also used lightly, almost to amuse those people around us, in middle class speech.
Most of our swearing is based on emphasising an opinion, emphasising it's importance to the speaker. To be so easily offended by the slang word for sex or wee, etc., really points to a dreadfully narrow and distorted, judgemental life.
Such a little thing, to be so deeply offended about - Why don't you keep that anger for people who speak 'genteelly' but speak hurtfully or spitefully, or deny women's rights, etc?
More harm - 10 times the harm can be done by a judgemental, spiteful, non swearer, than someone using a so called 'naughty' word, in excitement.
If a word meaning 'poo' is your idea of offensive, you seem to be judging the most unimportant things. There is SO MUCH sadness and horror and injustice in this world - and you are having a go at someone highly educated, a kind hearted vegetarian, inspiringly enthusiastic about so much knowledge many in the west now reject, because it isn't easy... and you want to make everybody feel judged by your opinion, with your complaints?
No thrilled thanks for making such a heavy subject exciting, amusing or interesting? I think you are missing the whole point of this talk.
Here's a tip. Turn off your phone/computer and run off to join the religious Republicans who don't swear. I think you will be happy there.
The Royal family swear. Princess Anne will swear about anything that annoys her.
The recently dead Duke of Edinburgh swore, the late Duke of Westminster swore, Stephen Fry swears, freely, with great enjoyment. I am willing to bet when the Queen is really angry she swears. I know when fairly newly married, she threw things at Philip and gave him an earful, over something. I just can't remember what she yelled, as he ran away.
The fact is, the most wealthy and educated are MORE likely to swear. So are the lowest class. But interestingly, the class that is the most 'genteel' - the MOST offended by swearing, is the class JUST ABOVE the lowest, very sweary class. The upper classes all swear. Unless they have had their minds warped by religion
It might be parents or grandparents, but that brainwashing can warp healthy, lighthearted use of language for generations. And the originating generation of the obsessive offence at 'swearing' are almost always very poorly educated and/or religiously brainwashed.
Your complaint is more likely to have educated people judge your background. They aren't going to listen to you.
A world that has unhealthy hangups about body parts, sex and normal, necessary waste expulsion, is disappearing with more education and rejection of very concerning obsessions with encouraging ignorance about sex and stopping women being able to control their bodies and fertility.
Still found in almost every religion still clinging on. THAT is by far, a greater offence to be angry about