Poles have a great inferiority complex and would like their country to be considered Western European. Poland is a typical post-communist country in Eastern Europe.
Poles have a great inferiority complex and would like their country to be considered Western European. Poland is a typical post-communist country in Eastern Europe.
No its not. Central europe is mostly inhabited by Germanic countries. Poland is slavic. They are culturally and historically eastern. For some reason Poles throw a big fit over that, as if eastern Europe = Russia. That's like saying France is the same as Spain.
@LS-Moto That is only your opinion. Read more, use Google, AI, Wikipedia etc. Don't think you know better as you don't have more knowledge than the entire internet.
@LS-Moto Yes, you can go to any library or books store too but all of those books and knowledge from them are also available online ( that should be obvious to everyone). So Google or if you like to waste your time go to the library or bookstore to find out that you are wrong and you do not know much about Poland
The only true division is the one of substantially different cultures. Western culture belongs to the germanic-viking initial tribes, today's Italy, Austria, Germany, Sweden, and everything west from those countries. It was build on theirs perspective of the world (art, science, religion, etc.) and traits they have woven into any particular expression of their being, such as art, politics, science, philosophy, and so on, belong to their immanent world and how they see it. Poland, because it was directly influenced by some of those countries, due to geographic proximity and exposure, assimilated some of the basic expressions of that culture (cathedrals, religion, architecture, etc.), but it was never organic, polish sense of the world. Nor Slavic...at all. Btw, that's how people from the west really think and look at the rest of Europe. That is why you, as well as Czechs, Slovenians, and others who have this need to put themselves in all these historical-geographical concepts of belonging, for sure have some similarities, but they ain't and never will be of their "kind". That's why Slavs are "second class citizens" to them. And, bc some of western Slavs shared certain periods in history with Germans, they developed this complex and picture of them as a part of some higher culture, which was formed only by virtue of how germanic people felt it is the right way to live and reorder things around them. All these 'Danube river countries', 'Central-European ones', etc., are ok and understandable categories, given in specific contexts, but they don't match well true differences that exist between cultures in Europe.
Thanks for this view of geopolitlc system. I felt that way before, but now I know perfectly well what's happening. The solution?... Can perhaps re-take a natural path, towards nature and its system. Starting from the base, the family then the immediate environment, and more... Which would allow everyone to re-root themselves, and find their roots (cultural, political, social, religious, etc.) and the joy of living🥰🕊️☀️🕊️ Together 🙏
@@nm2022Polish culture, like cultures of other countries in Europe, is based on ideas and values coming from ancient Greek democracy, Roman law and Judeo- Chrystianity. German tribes and countries founded by them can be thankful that for centuries Kingdom of Poland and Kingdom of Hungary protected them from barbarian invasions coming from steppes of Asia.
I see this Polish dude and you are saying, he had better start than others because of better education thans to his parents, and his colleags from blocks are bus drivers, cleaners. What a bollocks, living in the city in blocks was privilege, actors, doctors, engineers, scientists were living in blocks, working class were living in pre war houses with common toilet on corridor. The education system was and is free in Poland, and it is one of the best in the world. Another stupid thing is that there was no private housing in communistic Poland. In rural areas 80 % of people kept their own land and were living in their own houses. I can't watch it to the end as blood pressure going up
Say what you want about Soviet apartment buildings, the concept of micro-district with child care, schools, grocery shops within walking distance proved viable and convenient. And usually there is a lot of green space with playgrounds and alleys. 9-story apartments built in the 1970s are now shrouded with trees that are almost as tall. Does not look half bad.
"Gardening is very important for us Lithuanians". Lol whut? I am as Lithuanian as one can be and I don't consider gardening to be important to me in any way, shape or form. In fact, I have never heard anyone else claim that in Lithuania. It seems like the lovely lady shown in the video has an excellent hobby that she enjoys but she certainly should not attribute it to "us Lithuanians". Some really weird random claims and statements that don't have anything to do with reality. Why gardening of all things, anyway? :D
You live in some kind of bubble to ignore the obvious data. Around every bigger town and around every city in Lithuania lie thousands of allotment (gardening) neighborhoods, historically called "collective gardens", introduced during the soviet occupation but copied from countries like Germany or Denmark. Many allotment communities were dismantled on paper in recent years and turned into ad hoc suburbia - note that people still continue to do gardening there - but around 1500 of these communities are still left to this day where people relax in their summer cottages and do gardening. Up to 500,000 people used to be part of these communities (not counting children). And of course, practically all people in rural areas in Lithuania (if they live in a private house) have their gardens. This pattern is very similar in the neighboring countries, that have experienced soviet occupation, as well. Now in recent years there have opened new urban garden communities in bigger cities like Vilnius and Kaunas for people who live in apartments and don't own land to grow some vegetables. So I'd say it's safe to say that gardening is very important for us Lithuanians. Definitely for me and like 90% of my social circle.
@@psichonautas Of course people do have garden allotments. In fact I have one too. It's just that it's not "very important" for us Lithuanians. It's mostly used for the purpose of a summer house and not gardening unlike in the Soviet days when growing some vegetables was essential if you wanted to have more variety of food on your dining table. Certainly not nowadays.
Thats too funny:DDD Kaunas consist of many modern areas but surely important to show some random mediocre artist that is stuck in the past :DDD I am from Kaunas and been to Silainiai almost never its like talking about New York and choosing Queens to represent it. Sorry thats ridiculous!!!!!
That's a shallow comment. The video is not a promo of Kaunas. Although, an area with a 50 000 population represents Kaunas a lot better than some hipster bar in oldtown. It's a story about life of a real person who grew up during the fall of Soviet Union. She, on the opposite, thinks with a future-proof mind, not neglecting the past of her ancestors and rarher recognising the infuence of her upbringing. She is a leader creating a vision for the future. Would you also be able to talk about your parents and grandparents past with openness and honesty? Or does this negativity lie in hiding a shameful soviet past?
@@indrebutku ok as you please, but i just wanted to make a point that MY personal kaunas has very little do to with that area, and why are you looking down on "hipsters"? they are not people that has to be part of the collective? and thanks for judging my opinion lol
@@indrebutku no one is looking away from the past. i think through last 20 years we showed the world and everyone that we are proud of who we are as a country, but lets sometimes show also th ambition and progress we have and made 👌
@@agneag I am not looking down towards hipsters or you personally but your degrading opinion on the reality that many people have lived through. You might live in a modern house but your mindset sounds soviet - the need to 'appear' progressive and 'the best' whatever it takes while most important in life is to be a human. Lithuanians don't have to prove anything to anyone. Russian oppression is the reason we don't have as vast material heritage as central Europe but we have stories of strenght to tell.
I am sure that many people in the West would also be annoyed when someone distorted reality by using incorrect terms for the region in which they live. I'm not surprised that Poles are irritated by this type of ignorance, they have the right to be. Poland is neither the West nor the East, it is the Middle of Europe which differs from both the West and the East of this continent.
@@zuzanna2837 ok but if they try to represent "new generation" i would argue new generasion had absolutely nothing to do wit soviet union:DDD do you undertad that i was born in free lithuania? to me has no relevance and i have modern office job i have my property why do they represent also the economy is the fastest growing in the world. why do they choose to represent this part of the social historical reality, if they want to explain smth about "nre generation"?:)
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Hey, I don't care if you call Lithuania Eastern or Northern - that doesn't change my self esteem. Thank you for inspiring stories of real people!
i mean i ususally dont care if people call me east european but official videos shouldnt use the term as its not accurate
Poland is Central, Lithuania is Northern Europe.
Poles have a great inferiority complex and would like their country to be considered Western European. Poland is a typical post-communist country in Eastern Europe.
But it was part of the eastern block
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Love Poland from Lithuania ❤
We have to United -and restore Poland and Lithuania Kingdom.
Poland is geographically, historically and culturally in central Europe. Not just an opinion but also a fact that can be checked on Wikipedia.
Poles have a great inferiority complex and would like their country to be considered Western European. Poland is a typical post-communist country in Eastern Europe.
No its not. Central europe is mostly inhabited by Germanic countries. Poland is slavic. They are culturally and historically eastern. For some reason Poles throw a big fit over that, as if eastern Europe = Russia. That's like saying France is the same as Spain.
@LS-Moto That is only your opinion. Read more, use Google, AI, Wikipedia etc. Don't think you know better as you don't have more knowledge than the entire internet.
@@kriskravt3428 How about reading a book? The sources you mentioned are among the worst ones.
@LS-Moto Yes, you can go to any library or books store too but all of those books and knowledge from them are also available online ( that should be obvious to everyone). So Google or if you like to waste your time go to the library or bookstore to find out that you are wrong and you do not know much about Poland
Poland is not in Eastern Europe. Just like the Czech Republic or Romania. Which, without knowing why, puts a certain scheme in there
Every time I visit these countries I love to see the progress the people as well as their surroundings make.
Lithuania is one if the fastest growing economies atm and we have many more impressive artists !!!!
To call Poland Eastern Europe is to participate in Russia's imperial theater. Poland is central Europe.
The only true division is the one of substantially different cultures. Western culture belongs to the germanic-viking initial tribes, today's Italy, Austria, Germany, Sweden, and everything west from those countries. It was build on theirs perspective of the world (art, science, religion, etc.) and traits they have woven into any particular expression of their being, such as art, politics, science, philosophy, and so on, belong to their immanent world and how they see it. Poland, because it was directly influenced by some of those countries, due to geographic proximity and exposure, assimilated some of the basic expressions of that culture (cathedrals, religion, architecture, etc.), but it was never organic, polish sense of the world. Nor Slavic...at all. Btw, that's how people from the west really think and look at the rest of Europe. That is why you, as well as Czechs, Slovenians, and others who have this need to put themselves in all these historical-geographical concepts of belonging, for sure have some similarities, but they ain't and never will be of their "kind". That's why Slavs are "second class citizens" to them. And, bc some of western Slavs shared certain periods in history with Germans, they developed this complex and picture of them as a part of some higher culture, which was formed only by virtue of how germanic people felt it is the right way to live and reorder things around them.
All these 'Danube river countries', 'Central-European ones', etc., are ok and understandable categories, given in specific contexts, but they don't match well true differences that exist between cultures in Europe.
Thanks for this view of geopolitlc system.
I felt that way before, but now I know perfectly well what's happening.
The solution?...
Can perhaps re-take a natural path, towards nature and its system. Starting from the base, the family then the immediate environment, and more...
Which would allow everyone to re-root themselves, and find their roots (cultural, political, social, religious, etc.) and the joy of living🥰🕊️☀️🕊️ Together 🙏
Nor Lithuania, it's north of Europe.
Is something better Poland is part of europe as a continent. There!
@@nm2022Polish culture, like cultures of other countries in Europe, is based on ideas and values coming from ancient Greek democracy, Roman law and Judeo- Chrystianity. German tribes and countries founded by them can be thankful that for centuries Kingdom of Poland and Kingdom of Hungary protected them from barbarian invasions coming from steppes of Asia.
I see this Polish dude and you are saying, he had better start than others because of better education thans to his parents, and his colleags from blocks are bus drivers, cleaners. What a bollocks, living in the city in blocks was privilege, actors, doctors, engineers, scientists were living in blocks, working class were living in pre war houses with common toilet on corridor. The education system was and is free in Poland, and it is one of the best in the world. Another stupid thing is that there was no private housing in communistic Poland. In rural areas 80 % of people kept their own land and were living in their own houses. I can't watch it to the end as blood pressure going up
This way arte contributes to a stronger Eu. Me, as Portuguese also identity with gardening. Let us try to make Peace.
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no one gardens in kaunas anymore i dont know what she is talking about:DDD
Say what you want about Soviet apartment buildings, the concept of micro-district with child care, schools, grocery shops within walking distance proved viable and convenient. And usually there is a lot of green space with playgrounds and alleys. 9-story apartments built in the 1970s are now shrouded with trees that are almost as tall. Does not look half bad.
very interesting and insightful story!
I don't get the hate of German media against Eastern Europe. How do these people always show the worst from the region.
Central
Lithuania rules
Kaunas was the Capital of interwar Lithuania due to annexation of Vilnus region by Poles.
Hi, who knows where to find Bartek’s houses company?
'Solace house'
thanks!
Central or eastern it has anything to do with the Western fascists?
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"Gardening is very important for us Lithuanians". Lol whut? I am as Lithuanian as one can be and I don't consider gardening to be important to me in any way, shape or form. In fact, I have never heard anyone else claim that in Lithuania. It seems like the lovely lady shown in the video has an excellent hobby that she enjoys but she certainly should not attribute it to "us Lithuanians". Some really weird random claims and statements that don't have anything to do with reality. Why gardening of all things, anyway? :D
You live in some kind of bubble to ignore the obvious data. Around every bigger town and around every city in Lithuania lie thousands of allotment (gardening) neighborhoods, historically called "collective gardens", introduced during the soviet occupation but copied from countries like Germany or Denmark. Many allotment communities were dismantled on paper in recent years and turned into ad hoc suburbia - note that people still continue to do gardening there - but around 1500 of these communities are still left to this day where people relax in their summer cottages and do gardening. Up to 500,000 people used to be part of these communities (not counting children). And of course, practically all people in rural areas in Lithuania (if they live in a private house) have their gardens. This pattern is very similar in the neighboring countries, that have experienced soviet occupation, as well.
Now in recent years there have opened new urban garden communities in bigger cities like Vilnius and Kaunas for people who live in apartments and don't own land to grow some vegetables. So I'd say it's safe to say that gardening is very important for us Lithuanians. Definitely for me and like 90% of my social circle.
@@psichonautas Of course people do have garden allotments. In fact I have one too. It's just that it's not "very important" for us Lithuanians. It's mostly used for the purpose of a summer house and not gardening unlike in the Soviet days when growing some vegetables was essential if you wanted to have more variety of food on your dining table. Certainly not nowadays.
Thats too funny:DDD Kaunas consist of many modern areas but surely important to show some random mediocre artist that is stuck in the past :DDD I am from Kaunas and been to Silainiai almost never its like talking about New York and choosing Queens to represent it. Sorry thats ridiculous!!!!!
That's a shallow comment. The video is not a promo of Kaunas. Although, an area with a 50 000 population represents Kaunas a lot better than some hipster bar in oldtown. It's a story about life of a real person who grew up during the fall of Soviet Union. She, on the opposite, thinks with a future-proof mind, not neglecting the past of her ancestors and rarher recognising the infuence of her upbringing. She is a leader creating a vision for the future. Would you also be able to talk about your parents and grandparents past with openness and honesty? Or does this negativity lie in hiding a shameful soviet past?
@@indrebutku ok as you please, but i just wanted to make a point that MY personal kaunas has very little do to with that area, and why are you looking down on "hipsters"? they are not people that has to be part of the collective? and thanks for judging my opinion lol
@@indrebutku no one is looking away from the past. i think through last 20 years we showed the world and everyone that we are proud of who we are as a country, but lets sometimes show also th ambition and progress we have and made 👌
@@agneag I am not looking down towards hipsters or you personally but your degrading opinion on the reality that many people have lived through. You might live in a modern house but your mindset sounds soviet - the need to 'appear' progressive and 'the best' whatever it takes while most important in life is to be a human. Lithuanians don't have to prove anything to anyone. Russian oppression is the reason we don't have as vast material heritage as central Europe but we have stories of strenght to tell.
@@indrebutku "The video is not a promo of Kaunas" Of course is not. Like almost all materials in Western media about cities east of Vienna.
Eastern, Western... Who cares? Polish people are so nervous about this word.
Did you wonder why? Western Europans and Americans never stopped looking at Poland though Cold War era crap period. Poland moved on long time ago.
I am sure that many people in the West would also be annoyed when someone distorted reality by using incorrect terms for the region in which they live. I'm not surprised that Poles are irritated by this type of ignorance, they have the right to be. Poland is neither the West nor the East, it is the Middle of Europe which differs from both the West and the East of this continent.
i mean its ok if people confuse the term but is it ok if oficial video use it incorrectly?
@@agneag this term is not incorrect, it depends on classification. For example UN classify Poland as Eastern Europe.
@@zuzanna2837 ok but if they try to represent "new generation" i would argue new generasion had absolutely nothing to do wit soviet union:DDD do you undertad that i was born in free lithuania? to me has no relevance and i have modern office job i have my property why do they represent also the economy is the fastest growing in the world. why do they choose to represent this part of the social historical reality, if they want to explain smth about "nre generation"?:)