Our testing shows stepping on the rope does not damage it. Even ropes with really beaten up sheaths pull test very close to full strength. As for dirt getting inside the rope and cutting up the strands..one of our staff (in industrial rope access) does an interesting demonstration; he takes an old static line, black with wear, and cuts it open. Nice clean strands inside! You shouldn't step on someone else's rope, as most people don't know this, but don't worry about stepping on yours.
Slingshot. That's the idea I was looking for. Thanks for posting. I was thinking more bow and arrow with a line but slingshot should also have been an obvious method I didn't come up with. I must be getting older.
@m9 ovich I was thinking of the bow and arrow method on some broken pine tree limbs about 80' up in my yard. They were busted during the ice-storm aka freezing rain storm we had in 1/3 of what Fake News calls "the land mass of Mississippi" - that RARELY gets national news coverage. This put out 35 K homes without electricity on just our electric co-op alone and came just weeks after the blizzard in TX that Fake News made such a deal of. This was in February 2021 and most counties here haven't even begun to clean up all the broken branches and trees left on the roadsides here in the aftermath of the storm. I guess they're waiting on Federal $s, I'm not holding my breath waiting. I've already cleared about 250 running feet on both sides of the road UN front of my place. I'm 60+ doing this and others too! The youngsters can't get it obviously! I've got an old Wrist Rocket, now where to find new surgical tubing!?
Oh, sure. Everyone has their favorites. We've found that tying the bowline via the slip knot inversion method results in fewer lost throw bags. Although currently I think the most popular method is a girth hitch with the loop of a overhand on a bight. Super quick to tie and untie, and also very hard to mess up.
Sure - we sometimes use a clove hitch. Our current practice is to girth hitch the bag with the loop of an overhand on a bight. It is by far the fastest and least troublesome way we've come across for students to attach the bag. We regularly use bags from 1oz up to 1 lb. (Sorry - I mean about 30 to 450 grams. Silly English units.) What we use is highly variable. Heavy bags in Costa Rica to get thru the epiphyte load, light ones in Redwoods for height considerations.
Also, don't yank on the throwline to get your throwbag back to you because: If you do it wrong, it might turn around a branch several times and get stuck in the top of the tree. Got mine stuck this way last week.. Just let the bag down, untie and throw again.
Probably, tho a butterfly is usually used to create a perpendicular attachment in-line, and on a bight. If you tied it with a large enough loop you could slip that loop over the bag and girth hitch it on. Still, it seems like an odd choice...
@syst3m08 We can easily shoot a small throw bag 100ft in the air. We can hit close to 200 ft with a modified system using fishing line. The real problem is occurs when you are 'bounce testing" the hook. If it rips, it will damage the tree, then become a very spiky projectile coming right at your head! Our rope systems have a working load of 500 lbs, and break strength closer to 5000lbs. 200 is a very low number when your life is at risk! Really competent tree climbers don't use hooks.
@syst3m08 We're shooting for minimum impact on the tree. Spiky things aren't very good in that way. Also, you can't toss a big hook very high in the tree, getting down a not-so-perfect toss is problematic, and it's just not that secure.
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Depends where you are. In eastern hardwood forests, 14oz will always come down, and isn't too heavy to get into the highest trees with the normal range of line launching things. If i have a choice of going a bit heavy and getting the bag back, or light and having to pluck every so often, I'm going with heavier!
Oh sorry, I just thought you were looking for a way to climb trees. And grappling hooks aren't very heavy, most only way a bit over a pound. I'm not sure how high you can get one by just tossing, but you could make a grappling hook launcher. Some people have made some that shoot grappling hooks at least 50 ft. straight up. Also getting down a hook usually isn't too hard if you use the right methods. Most grappling hooks are made so that on 1 tine/prong it can hold at least 200 pounds.
good information but very hard to understand the crackly whisper voice technique for me ... maybe im just hard of hearing , but thee are points of clarity when you actually talk loud enough to hear
Not really...coil tossing is best for short rope throws, and for longer distances the compact heavy throw bag and light throw line is best. Monkey's fist just isn't very heavy relative to the rope.
Well I coil hundred fathoms of hand line into a milk crate for blue fin tuna fishing an a coiled rope will come out .uncoiled an a bit will grabs a loupe an rap around ur arm an u down to Dave. Jone locker .coil it be nite there's on sud statute for net ness .i hate auto correct.
I found this to have great basics for me, plus a few great tricks I hadn't ever thought of before. Thanks a lot!
all these tips are money. thanks for the free lessons!
Our testing shows stepping on the rope does not damage it. Even ropes with really beaten up sheaths pull test very close to full strength. As for dirt getting inside the rope and cutting up the strands..one of our staff (in industrial rope access) does an interesting demonstration; he takes an old static line, black with wear, and cuts it open. Nice clean strands inside! You shouldn't step on someone else's rope, as most people don't know this, but don't worry about stepping on yours.
CornellTreeClimbing it is really about respect for the rope. You step on MY rope, and I’m PISSED OFF! All testing aside, my rope is my life.
I found this video because I got my friction saver stuck installing it, the plucking trick got it right out!!!!
Thanks!!!!!
You are quite welcome!
Okay that last tip was invaluable.
Plucking the line, also helps in the retrieval of snagged fishing lures.👍
Slingshot. That's the idea I was looking for. Thanks for posting. I was thinking more bow and arrow with a line but slingshot should also have been an obvious method I didn't come up with. I must be getting older.
@m9 ovich I was thinking of the bow and arrow method on some broken pine tree limbs about 80' up in my yard. They were busted during the ice-storm aka freezing rain storm we had in 1/3 of what Fake News calls "the land mass of Mississippi" - that RARELY gets national news coverage.
This put out 35 K homes without electricity on just our electric co-op alone and came just weeks after the blizzard in TX that Fake News made such a deal of. This was in February 2021 and most counties here haven't even begun to clean up all the broken branches and trees left on the roadsides here in the aftermath of the storm. I guess they're waiting on Federal $s, I'm not holding my breath waiting. I've already cleared about 250 running feet on both sides of the road UN front of my place. I'm 60+ doing this and others too! The youngsters can't get it obviously!
I've got an old Wrist Rocket, now where to find new surgical tubing!?
Oh, sure. Everyone has their favorites. We've found that tying the bowline via the slip knot inversion method results in fewer lost throw bags. Although currently I think the most popular method is a girth hitch with the loop of a overhand on a bight. Super quick to tie and untie, and also very hard to mess up.
thanks! I am going to make one up now to use to prevent limbs from falling over onto my neighbors yard!
that was a great video! well done. all very valuable information.
you can also use a anchor hitch to connect the throw line to the throw bag
Sure - we sometimes use a clove hitch. Our current practice is to girth hitch the bag with the loop of an overhand on a bight. It is by far the fastest and least troublesome way we've come across for students to attach the bag. We regularly use bags from 1oz up to 1 lb. (Sorry - I mean about 30 to 450 grams. Silly English units.) What we use is highly variable. Heavy bags in Costa Rica to get thru the epiphyte load, light ones in Redwoods for height considerations.
Also, don't yank on the throwline to get your throwbag back to you because: If you do it wrong, it might turn around a branch several times and get stuck in the top of the tree. Got mine stuck this way last week.. Just let the bag down, untie and throw again.
Probably, tho a butterfly is usually used to create a perpendicular attachment in-line, and on a bight. If you tied it with a large enough loop you could slip that loop over the bag and girth hitch it on. Still, it seems like an odd choice...
Use some fishing line a tennis with a little sand in it to get the other rope to tide the branch that needs to come down.
Luv the bag retrieve on a tug of the line
@syst3m08 We can easily shoot a small throw bag 100ft in the air. We can hit close to 200 ft with a modified system using fishing line. The real problem is occurs when you are 'bounce testing" the hook. If it rips, it will damage the tree, then become a very spiky projectile coming right at your head! Our rope systems have a working load of 500 lbs, and break strength closer to 5000lbs. 200 is a very low number when your life is at risk! Really competent tree climbers don't use hooks.
girth hitch to your bag saves a bunch of time
As always, thanks’ for taking the time to make this video! And I support this site. ~M~
Wondered how they do that. Wonder no more! Thanks.
Sure thing. Try watching our video entitled "Tree Climbing: Ascending with Grigri Direct Aid" That should give you some ideas.
Good info.. thanks! I should have gone to the Cornell tree climbing institute instead of engineering school. I would be way happier
I started climbing last year after 15 years of being an electrician. It's never too late
Sure - We just finished a training on simple rope rescue.
Not all trees have branches. In the south there are a lot of sand pine trees that have no branches. What do you do to get a rope up around the trunk?
How far can a weighted rope be thrown?
@syst3m08 We're shooting for minimum impact on the tree. Spiky things aren't very good in that way. Also, you can't toss a big hook very high in the tree, getting down a not-so-perfect toss is problematic, and it's just not that secure.
You got the throwline. Now how to get the rope up?
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Good tutorial
Great video :)
would a buterfly knot be ok for a throw bag
As a tower dog, I always wish I could use this technique.
" this is how your student looks when they get it over the branch the first time" lmao. Yea after a few thousand tries lmao
what weight of bag do you recommend?
Depends where you are. In eastern hardwood forests, 14oz will always come down, and isn't too heavy to get into the highest trees with the normal range of line launching things. If i have a choice of going a bit heavy and getting the bag back, or light and having to pluck every so often, I'm going with heavier!
Excellent. Thank you! :)
cool tips...
Be sure to wear your helmet, eye protection, and open toed sandle. lol
Oh sorry, I just thought you were looking for a way to climb trees. And grappling hooks aren't very heavy, most only way a bit over a pound. I'm not sure how high you can get one by just tossing, but you could make a grappling hook launcher. Some people have made some that shoot grappling hooks at least 50 ft. straight up. Also getting down a hook usually isn't too hard if you use the right methods. Most grappling hooks are made so that on 1 tine/prong it can hold at least 200 pounds.
good information but very hard to understand the crackly whisper voice technique for me ... maybe im just hard of hearing , but thee are points of clarity when you actually talk loud enough to hear
Uh oh. Sounds like someone didnt think ear plugs were cool enough to wear when running a chainsaw.
👍😊
she's hired!
How about a really. really long ladder ? ...
Monkey fist work too??
Not really...coil tossing is best for short rope throws, and for longer distances the compact heavy throw bag and light throw line is best. Monkey's fist just isn't very heavy relative to the rope.
wasn't expecting to be hit with the asmr
Tossing a rope up in the air near power lines is not the smartest thing to do.
in behalf of all us canoe campers who have to hang a food bag..THANKS!!!
I'd hire her
I don't even use gear or ropes i use my bare hands and the branches.
are you really promoting using a Big Shot near a powerline!!!!!!!!!
Well I coil hundred fathoms of hand line into a milk crate for blue fin tuna fishing an a coiled rope will come out .uncoiled an a bit will grabs a loupe an rap around ur arm an u down to Dave. Jone locker .coil it be nite there's on sud statute for net ness .i hate auto correct.
A bowline? really??
how about a slippery clove, way faster to tie and untie.....any day....
Benny Black take it easy billy badass
Calm down mr know it all
You could just use a grappling hook for tree climbing.
No
STOP STEPPING ON THE ROPE!
Doesn't matter, actually.
No pony tail no job - pity I'm as bald as a coot
Bull.just throw the dam thing ,pluck it.