I think it's worthwhile to gear a team specifically towards Valley of Conquerors. The rewards are *so* huge and it's happening near constantly. Getting 1st team and top 5 merit is game changing so I've put a ton of effort into a team that dominates there. (Basically a ton of healing to be able to hit gates with 15-20+ teams and wipe them all.)
F Trav should be S tier without a doubt. She’s the boss killer, placing her in guild boss or expedition boss or eyes of abyss will double your total score. Moreover, her single nuke is super useful to melt down enemy tanker.
What's your experience with Tier versus Rarity? It sounds like a Common S or A tier sounds like it leagues better than a Legendary or Mythic C tier. However, it seems like whatever you can put the most levels on tends to perform the best. Male Ugrull's Ultimate is "lose HP for CC immunity", but he can basically kill himself with it. I'd file him under "Kit needs to be rethought", otherwise he'd be a perfect counter for FLux
One thing to understand about rarity, is that it doesn't effect ability power. It gives you more base stats and more traits. But, for example, a common f lion ult gives the same buff percentage as a mythic f lion ult at the same skill level. So in general I would say a rare top tier champion is better than a legendary dog water champion.
I'd argue the female lionstone passive IS impactful.. precisely because of the current meta being all about ranged damage dealers, meaning she reduces incoming damage where it matters most. She isnt a dedicated tank still, but she can still be put on the frontline and not die before she does her job of empowering the nukers. And as for huntsdorf, I think even just slowing down the badger's movement speed so it doesnt end up being the first thing targetted would already help them a lot. Right now though they are only an annoyance in dungeon descent when my male lycanis starts the fight at full energy and decides to jump on the badger instead of something more valuable
Female priest is NOT garbage. The defense boost is really strong. It makes my team survive the burst makes that are 20 levels higher than me in campaign. I don't feel like she's the best option, but she's usable.
Well this guide did help a lot, was using a different team just the best heroes I have (a Mythical, Legendary, and 3 epics) and they did get me up to 7-20ish. But today it was getting harder so I looked at your list again and reworked my team still using the mythical but now using 2 rares and 1 common and an epic. Mythical is Female Fulgur, male Aeson epic, male Yivnian rare, male Lionstone rare, and female Lionstone common. all round the 125 mark and well I am up to 7-60 and have not had a really close fight yet since the change. 279k team score and just got into tier 8 while typing this out. Can not thank you enough for the guides and the help as I was getting a little frustrated with the team I had thinking you just go for the highest Legacy ranks I had.
I need to fill the 5th spot on my team. The makeup is currently F Doombringer, M Yiv, F Lionstone, & F Ignis. I can fill the last spot with either F Luxuriant or F Travain...who is better?
So, where do the daevala sit in here? M is decent, but his ult is very passive and he's bulky enough, the regen is okayish i guess? F is an absolute machine, i'd say she's S tier immediately, she cleans everything and just... doesn't die. She cleans whole teams, her ult regens insanely fast, she fully heals between the two and her invulnerability is just sick
I’m using male tidestorm legendary, female fulgar rare, female ignis epic, female lionstone epic, and female ugrull epic. Which this is a amazing team. I feel like my female ugrul is lacking. What Would a good replacement be for my female ugrul? I have a female doombringer mythic and epic, female gryphon epic and legendary, need help picking a replacement if there would be one. Bc my current warrior is lacking I feel
Im surprised how variable the tierlists for this game are. I personally find that Female Luxuriant is by far the best. Charming the enemy for 5 seconds? It wins me all the time. The only problem is she choses the wrong person to charm sometimes. Whenever there is an enemy Luxuriant, THEN I struggle,
U ve said that travain in A because of dps on bosses, but lume f, which is best for dps of main dd - is lowrated. I cant argue with her tier for arena, it is really takes much time.
What's wrong with female aeson? I have a mythic 3 gold star and I got heart broken hearing this lmao did she get fixed as of the recent patch cause I'm pretty sure I'm doing ok in the game. I chose her over the male but now I'm worried lol
Another great video. I have become a big fan you, sir. I'm running a team of (F lionstone, M sallyhorn, M Aeson, F Ignis, M Tidestorm). I'm thinking about replacing the M SallyHorn with the M LionStone and M Tidestorm with M Furgul to complete my AOE Nuke Team.
Why would you replace M Tidestorm? His grab is irreplaceable strategically in PvP… you grab opponent’s F Ignis, regardless of what star she is, she’s done… Plus, F Fulgar is much better than M
@@sojourner8736 yeah reading the description gives me the impression that F Furgul is better in terms of damage dealing. However my experience tells a different story, her lightning ball deals next to no damage which I don't know why. Her ulti animation is slow, remind me of the male ignis. The male also provides more ultilities like the shield and the stun. M Tidestorm is great, the main damage dealer in my team. I just want a different option so that I can quickly blow up weak teams in VOC. I'm not gonna abandon him by any means ^^ Also thinking about my first line hero besides F Lionstone. M Lionstone can provide shields for the whole team, while M SallyHorn can aggro and help F Lionstone to stay alive longer. Oh maybe I just need to throw in the spin-to-win lady. Tough choice.
Most characters were around where I expected them, even the 3 "surprises" at the top (well, surprises based more on previous tier lists - from watching your videos over the last month I had no doubt F Lionstone was jumping to S and thought M Aeson and M Yiv would be A tier at minimum, with Aeson likely S and maybe an S for Yiv.) That said, F Lycanis did shock me, even after Dogs of War, I didn't see that coming, though maybe I should've. I also kinda expected M Lume to be higher based on some of your impressions in that first month and this being his first tier list, but I think your justification makes sense and fits the running theme throughout the tier list of what this meta's about. I like him, but one other negative I would add is that his revive animation just takes too damn long and its not triggered until a certain time in, so you can see the lowest health character when he starts the animation die sometimes before he reaches the point in the animation where it's considered triggered. He still makes some of my comps but i'm still in that early-to-mid-game range - about 4-6 weeks in and I don't have a Fulgur above epic and literally just yesterday got my first mythic M Aeson (and first Legendary m Aeson the week before) so my comps are a bit in flux and sometimes I need him to save someone like my mere epic F Lionstone whose a tad bit squishy. I actually think a list with S+ and F may have been a bit more instructive as it would've broken down the current A tier more and would've been interesting and helpful to see which half or so ended up in the S vs A out of what's currently all A. Would've still had the same amount of characters above the average, so i don't think it'd really be cheating as it wouldn't have changed your distribution above/below average you were shooting for. Might be worth a longer consideration if you have a situation like this come up in a future tier list.
anyway i don't play the nuke meta i play the basical comp like with all games like these 2 tanks 1 supporter 1 cc 1 damager like this team will said M lion M wolf F lion M tidestorm M lume
Oh god, I hate the Fulgurs. They always take so much time for their ultimate. If my enemy has them, I either die from their ultimate or they die quickly. And the new Naess clan I think removes the shield advantage, which is sad cuz that is what my entire team is built around.
Mostly I agree, but I think you misunderstand the real power of female Lume. First, she is a damage buff to the whole team. Second, she makes all other buffs better (Male Aeson for example) But third, it isn't that she just gives the other nuker a second ultimate... she more than doubles their strength. She is totally appropriate in the AOE mage boost, and no other mage just "dropping their ultimate" is going to overcome the other boosts she made to the team... Now, all of that being said, if she is the last man standing on your team, you lose. She simply doesn't dish out any damage on her own. She is all about helping you punch WAY above your weight class though. Personally, I would consider her A tier. her whole kit makes the team hit harder.
I don't misunderstand her. I think in large part I've shown I do the math through out my videos. But it is much to large of a conversation for comments on TH-cam.
F Lume does allow you to beat campaign with enemies way above might. However, I don’t think she’s broken or cheatkey, but she does help a lot. But I don’t think she deserves S tho so not complaining
I'm curious what you would think would be a better first step: 1. Raising a 1-star companion to max intimacy for those level 22 traits, or 2. Raising up an companion to produce one of the mythic S-tiers. (I already have F Lion, F Ingis, and M Tide at mythic, but could probably use something to replace my mythic M Lycan and M Karg.)
considering the costs of max intimacy... I'd probably say build a team of mythic S tier first and after look for high tier traits. The traits alone wont make up for the low stats of lower than legendary characters.
Probably the same thing we need to do to get them to fix the descriptions of all the inaccurate ultimates. Only problem is.... I have no clue what that is yet.
Thank you for the Video. I'm new to this Game (one week in now), and it helped me out a lot to be holding one of the top spots in my server.
I think it's worthwhile to gear a team specifically towards Valley of Conquerors. The rewards are *so* huge and it's happening near constantly. Getting 1st team and top 5 merit is game changing so I've put a ton of effort into a team that dominates there. (Basically a ton of healing to be able to hit gates with 15-20+ teams and wipe them all.)
F Trav should be S tier without a doubt. She’s the boss killer, placing her in guild boss or expedition boss or eyes of abyss will double your total score.
Moreover, her single nuke is super useful to melt down enemy tanker.
And you can use her even as a Level 1 with insane damage
Love your videos. :) Thanks!
Finally u respect the priest ,thank u
What's your experience with Tier versus Rarity? It sounds like a Common S or A tier sounds like it leagues better than a Legendary or Mythic C tier. However, it seems like whatever you can put the most levels on tends to perform the best.
Male Ugrull's Ultimate is "lose HP for CC immunity", but he can basically kill himself with it. I'd file him under "Kit needs to be rethought", otherwise he'd be a perfect counter for FLux
One thing to understand about rarity, is that it doesn't effect ability power. It gives you more base stats and more traits. But, for example, a common f lion ult gives the same buff percentage as a mythic f lion ult at the same skill level. So in general I would say a rare top tier champion is better than a legendary dog water champion.
I'd argue the female lionstone passive IS impactful.. precisely because of the current meta being all about ranged damage dealers, meaning she reduces incoming damage where it matters most. She isnt a dedicated tank still, but she can still be put on the frontline and not die before she does her job of empowering the nukers.
And as for huntsdorf, I think even just slowing down the badger's movement speed so it doesnt end up being the first thing targetted would already help them a lot. Right now though they are only an annoyance in dungeon descent when my male lycanis starts the fight at full energy and decides to jump on the badger instead of something more valuable
But do magic count as ranged attack?
@@DragonAlex1 could even ask if ranged abilities count or go through :p
Female priest is NOT garbage. The defense boost is really strong. It makes my team survive the burst makes that are 20 levels higher than me in campaign. I don't feel like she's the best option, but she's usable.
You keep waving that banner my friend. I'm cheering for you! However, I won't be joining your crusade.
I was thinking the same.
Well this guide did help a lot, was using a different team just the best heroes I have (a Mythical, Legendary, and 3 epics) and they did get me up to 7-20ish. But today it was getting harder so I looked at your list again and reworked my team still using the mythical but now using 2 rares and 1 common and an epic. Mythical is Female Fulgur, male Aeson epic, male Yivnian rare, male Lionstone rare, and female Lionstone common. all round the 125 mark and well I am up to 7-60 and have not had a really close fight yet since the change. 279k team score and just got into tier 8 while typing this out. Can not thank you enough for the guides and the help as I was getting a little frustrated with the team I had thinking you just go for the highest Legacy ranks I had.
Awesome!
@@blg3rnt Up to 8-50 now with that same team. ;-)
Lmao had me with the female lion I was already arguing with the screen haha
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Have your re-evaluated any since attack speed was fixed?
I need to fill the 5th spot on my team. The makeup is currently F Doombringer, M Yiv, F Lionstone, & F Ignis. I can fill the last spot with either F Luxuriant or F Travain...who is better?
I'd probably go with Lux
@@blg3rnt thanks! Great videos. I like your channel a lot.
Thank you! I appreciate the support
I was wondering about that too about female fulgur.
i respect m lume tier if have f lion buff his healing become op and don't forget he take away debuffs that actually probably him a A-tier at least i
So, where do the daevala sit in here?
M is decent, but his ult is very passive and he's bulky enough, the regen is okayish i guess?
F is an absolute machine, i'd say she's S tier immediately, she cleans everything and just... doesn't die. She cleans whole teams, her ult regens insanely fast, she fully heals between the two and her invulnerability is just sick
I’m using male tidestorm legendary, female fulgar rare, female ignis epic, female lionstone epic, and female ugrull epic. Which this is a amazing team. I feel like my female ugrul is lacking. What Would a good replacement be for my female ugrul? I have a female doombringer mythic and epic, female gryphon epic and legendary, need help picking a replacement if there would be one. Bc my current warrior is lacking I feel
Im surprised how variable the tierlists for this game are. I personally find that Female Luxuriant is by far the best. Charming the enemy for 5 seconds? It wins me all the time. The only problem is she choses the wrong person to charm sometimes. Whenever there is an enemy Luxuriant, THEN I struggle,
U ve said that travain in A because of dps on bosses, but lume f, which is best for dps of main dd - is lowrated.
I cant argue with her tier for arena, it is really takes much time.
What's wrong with female aeson? I have a mythic 3 gold star and I got heart broken hearing this lmao did she get fixed as of the recent patch cause I'm pretty sure I'm doing ok in the game. I chose her over the male but now I'm worried lol
The list is long. The short answer is there is basically no situation where there isn't someone else better to play.
Should I use female ugrull over female doombringer?
Another great video. I have become a big fan you, sir. I'm running a team of (F lionstone, M sallyhorn, M Aeson, F Ignis, M Tidestorm). I'm thinking about replacing the M SallyHorn with the M LionStone and M Tidestorm with M Furgul to complete my AOE Nuke Team.
I appreciate the support! Sounds like a good team to me!
Why would you replace M Tidestorm? His grab is irreplaceable strategically in PvP… you grab opponent’s F Ignis, regardless of what star she is, she’s done… Plus, F Fulgar is much better than M
@@sojourner8736 yeah reading the description gives me the impression that F Furgul is better in terms of damage dealing. However my experience tells a different story, her lightning ball deals next to no damage which I don't know why. Her ulti animation is slow, remind me of the male ignis. The male also provides more ultilities like the shield and the stun.
M Tidestorm is great, the main damage dealer in my team. I just want a different option so that I can quickly blow up weak teams in VOC. I'm not gonna abandon him by any means ^^
Also thinking about my first line hero besides F Lionstone. M Lionstone can provide shields for the whole team, while M SallyHorn can aggro and help F Lionstone to stay alive longer. Oh maybe I just need to throw in the spin-to-win lady. Tough choice.
@@philongpham3886 wait my bad, there was a typo… I didn’t mean F Fulgar but F Ugrul being much better than M counterpart
@@sojourner8736 oh I see. Yeah femal Ugrul is a head and shoulder above the male
Most characters were around where I expected them, even the 3 "surprises" at the top (well, surprises based more on previous tier lists - from watching your videos over the last month I had no doubt F Lionstone was jumping to S and thought M Aeson and M Yiv would be A tier at minimum, with Aeson likely S and maybe an S for Yiv.) That said, F Lycanis did shock me, even after Dogs of War, I didn't see that coming, though maybe I should've.
I also kinda expected M Lume to be higher based on some of your impressions in that first month and this being his first tier list, but I think your justification makes sense and fits the running theme throughout the tier list of what this meta's about. I like him, but one other negative I would add is that his revive animation just takes too damn long and its not triggered until a certain time in, so you can see the lowest health character when he starts the animation die sometimes before he reaches the point in the animation where it's considered triggered. He still makes some of my comps but i'm still in that early-to-mid-game range - about 4-6 weeks in and I don't have a Fulgur above epic and literally just yesterday got my first mythic M Aeson (and first Legendary m Aeson the week before) so my comps are a bit in flux and sometimes I need him to save someone like my mere epic F Lionstone whose a tad bit squishy.
I actually think a list with S+ and F may have been a bit more instructive as it would've broken down the current A tier more and would've been interesting and helpful to see which half or so ended up in the S vs A out of what's currently all A. Would've still had the same amount of characters above the average, so i don't think it'd really be cheating as it wouldn't have changed your distribution above/below average you were shooting for. Might be worth a longer consideration if you have a situation like this come up in a future tier list.
Awesome feedback thanks!
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anyway i don't play the nuke meta i play the basical comp like with all games like these 2 tanks 1 supporter 1 cc 1 damager like this team will said M lion M wolf F lion M tidestorm M lume
Oh god, I hate the Fulgurs. They always take so much time for their ultimate. If my enemy has them, I either die from their ultimate or they die quickly. And the new Naess clan I think removes the shield advantage, which is sad cuz that is what my entire team is built around.
YIVNIAN= Think russian accent.. Ee iv nian..
Mostly I agree, but I think you misunderstand the real power of female Lume. First, she is a damage buff to the whole team. Second, she makes all other buffs better (Male Aeson for example)
But third, it isn't that she just gives the other nuker a second ultimate... she more than doubles their strength. She is totally appropriate in the AOE mage boost, and no other mage just "dropping their ultimate" is going to overcome the other boosts she made to the team...
Now, all of that being said, if she is the last man standing on your team, you lose. She simply doesn't dish out any damage on her own. She is all about helping you punch WAY above your weight class though. Personally, I would consider her A tier. her whole kit makes the team hit harder.
I don't misunderstand her. I think in large part I've shown I do the math through out my videos. But it is much to large of a conversation for comments on TH-cam.
F Lume does allow you to beat campaign with enemies way above might. However, I don’t think she’s broken or cheatkey, but she does help a lot. But I don’t think she deserves S tho so not complaining
I'm curious what you would think would be a better first step: 1. Raising a 1-star companion to max intimacy for those level 22 traits, or 2. Raising up an companion to produce one of the mythic S-tiers. (I already have F Lion, F Ingis, and M Tide at mythic, but could probably use something to replace my mythic M Lycan and M Karg.)
considering the costs of max intimacy... I'd probably say build a team of mythic S tier first and after look for high tier traits. The traits alone wont make up for the low stats of lower than legendary characters.
What do we need to do to get them to fix attack speed and the badgers
Probably the same thing we need to do to get them to fix the descriptions of all the inaccurate ultimates. Only problem is.... I have no clue what that is yet.
Have you tried making a ticket
5-7 business days lmaooo 🤣
Your arguement against F Tidestorm is very weak, and I quote "she does the most damage on the team but doesn't offer much". Seriously?
Not arguing for or against anyone. Not debating anyone, although that could be a fun video. I'm simply giving my list and why.
@@blg3rnt I dont understand how she could deal the most damage and her not be good. isnt that the best quality
can upgrad pls
? You want a updated one?
@@blg3rnt yes, our is te same places with new champs?
Question: why are karg's so dogsh*t? they are by far my favourite race but it just sucks because it sounds like they are the worst clan in the game
I heard they were very good during beta, got nerfed on release.
@@blg3rnt im gonna do a little player to get them buffed back up there I think
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