@sciwiz To be honest, the Drummer was their best musician, not their worst, however George Martin, nicknamed the fifth Beatle was the star of this group of very ordinary pop musicians, and an excellent choice that they did not play live, however I watched the one-off recording on the roof top, apart from Billy Preston they were dreadful for the short time they actually 'played'
Mike love Loves Mike Love ..... I always remember that really old beach boys concert, grainy, black and white... and for some reason Mike kept trying to distract Dennis, RIP, whilst he was singing his solos etc, moving his mic away from him and up and down, covering his eyes, Dennis of course soldiered on and was graceful as ever.
Well they tried to rip Mike love off ,so yeah ...funny, mike was the only one trying to keep it all together, while the wilsons were drugging and boozing and tripping hard
I hate it when people bash Ringo. He was empathetic to the songs not just bashing away he knew the value of space and accents he was the best drummer for the Beatles.
Funny enuff but if ANY other drummer had played " just the basics " on a Beatles record, it would have sounded like shite. Ringo knows WHAT to play, and WHEN. He's always right there in the groove@@HeelSection3825 . Playing circles around Ringo doesn't make any sense. It's like saying Steve Vai could play circles around André Segovia
His coolest fill is One Of These Days where his stick goes flying and he doesn't drop a beat whilst grabbing another stick and doing a bit of showmanship. Class 👌
I just read her list. Neal Schon from Journey was their weakest link? Jim Morrison from the Doors? Paul Simonon from The Clash? OMG. She must be sniffing glue.
@@МаксРогозин-е1ю I have to kind of agree and disagree with that.. Band was at it's finest when they had the vocals of both Gregg Rollie and Steve Perry,
@clairehelmsley6608 Those two albums that the Doors recorded without Jim were so successful that she's never even heard of them. But what do I know? She's the professional. Perhaps she could write a follow-up article explaining why "Strange Days" is inferior to "Other Voices."
I worked (as a producer) with a lot different drummers in London for many years, some were in bands, others were session drummers. I noticed an interesting hierarchy of opinions regarding Ringo's abilities. The lower tier of drummers, the guys in bands, tended to rate Ringo if they were Beatles fans, but to express poor opinions of him if they weren't. The mid-tier session drummers tended to disparage Ringo's abilities. This was pretty much universal amongst those guys. However, the absolute top tier of session guys (and that is a small elite band) were, to a man, in awe of Ringo.
@Steamer-ni9wv I must look up Bill Ward, believe it or not I noticed and admired the Blondie drummer (especially Heart of Glass and Rapture) but without knowing too much of their stuff. I just love drumming that's just right. Even yesterday I heard John Lennon's Woman on the radio and wondered if Ringo played on it (He didn't but it was in his style).
@Steamer-ni9wv It seems my education is only beginning! I've just listened to War Pigs, first time for me, and I wonder how I've missed that one for so many years. I suppose we only have one adolescence and that seems to be when tastes are set. Clem Burke next!
He was the ONLY drummer that would have made the Beatles what they are. Anyone else would not have been a fit. He played the perfect parts to fit the songs
I always have to laugh when I see live recordings of Van Halen when Roth was with them. Eddie and Michael are spot on with their harmonies and Dave is lost in the weeds half the time.😂 Alex was no slouch on drums either.
They should have booted Roth before the first album or never allowed him in at all. They should have either found a singer who could actually sing and write songs, or given the lead singer duties to Michael Anthony. I have no doubt he would have done a fine job with that responsibility. Roth was not a good front man either. He was a clown. I agree with the commenter below: in live performances, Alex, Eddie and Mike are spot on with their responsibilities. Roth is wandering around being a complete @ss.
@@ziggypop79 I agree. He was also very influential in getting them gigs. He’s very articulate and respectful when it comes to business. His lyrics and style fit the band perfectly although it’s true really couldn’t sing because he didn’t breathe properly. I never noticed until I read an article about the band fifteen years where Alex he had to punch in a lot of vocal parts because he’d run out of breath. I always liked Dave but I knew people that couldn’t listen to Van Halen because of Dave.
The idea that anyone who purports to know anything about music would describe Nick Mason as a weak link is astonishing. That sort of calls into question Amber Ward's judgement on everything else on her list.
Yes, re Nick Mason. Many Floyd songs are at quarter note = 60, which, if you've ever played the drums, takes an incredible amount of skill and discipline to maintain. Nick Mason was an absolute master of slow tempo drumming and had a great feel. Also it's worth noting that Money is indeed a song that goes between 7/4 and 6/8, all again with slower tempi, thus calling for a great deal of discipline.
@@canalesworks1247Listening to the non-remastered version of Momentary Lapse drives home how important Nick's contribution was, and had always been, to Pink Floyd's sound and vibe.
Yes, interestingly that post Pink Floyd both David Gilmour and Rogers Waters have enlisted drummers who playing within Mason's concept of straight-up, simple and spacious. True, Mason is no Carl Palmer. But then imagine what Pink Floyd would have sounded were Carl Palmer on the drums....
100%. I have never heard of Amber Ward but straight away that undermines any kind of credibility that she might have otherwise had. The list is pretty poor overall.
Anyone calling Ringo's drumming "simplistic" really needs to step off at this point. There's nothing simplistic about tailoring distinctive, "not-what-you-would've-guessed" drum parts for every song, and every _segment_ (intro, verse, chorus, fills, outro...) on such a _wide range_ of songs, such that each one of them _rockets to the top of the charts,_ delighting multiple generations ever since. Maybe the fact that the drums complement the music and lyrics _so_ well, and are so "hand in glove" with them, it starts to make some people think it must've just been "obvious" or a "given", what needed to be played. _Not so!_ That's Ringo's genius: starting from _absolute scratch,_ yet making it seem like these melodies and rhythms were destined to be together since _eternity._ Cheers!
because a part in a mechanism is simple does not mean that it does fulfill its part in the ensemble...replace that part by another supposedly more complex or refined and the ensemble might not work as well. Successful bands have no weak links because all the different parts define their sound...that is why they are successful. Meg white is a very limited drummer, but it would not be the white stripes without her.
Anyone that refers to Ringo Starr has a weak link is completely clueless. John, Paul and George have all said that Ringo was the missing piece of the band. He brought a lot to the band in his own way
Yes, but in response to the question, 'Do you think Ringo is the best drummer in the world?', John is reported to have said: 'Ringo? He isn't even the best drummer in The Beatles'. Probably apocryphal, though.
Not sure if I’d say the best but definitely top 5 in my opinion. He made drum parts that fit perfectly in the songs. He was extremely good at keeping tempo as well. As far as John’s comment, I believe it was just a joke. The Beatles always made remarks similar to that to the press
@@calebcaldwell1713 "Not sure if I’d say the best but definitely top 5 in my opinion. " Maybe you should listen to more than 5 bands. "He was extremely good at keeping tempo as well." He can't even play sloppy at speeds that would warrant saying extremely good at keeping tempo.
@@mmestari I listen to more than 5 bands just giving credit where credit is due. There’s a reason Ringo is seen as a great drummer. He didn’t have to be flashy to be considered great. I don’t think there’s a drummer that has had more influence than Ringo has
@@calebcaldwell1713 " I listen to more than 5 bands just giving credit where credit is due." Nah, you are just disrespecting actually good drummers. Go listen Pete Sandoval play Mozart's 25th Symphony, that's actually excellent drumming. Then listen to Helter Skelter, which according Ringo himself is at the zenith of his technical ability. Then you should realize that, realistically Ringo doesn't even make the top 10000 best drummers of the world. " I don’t think there’s a drummer that has had more influence than Ringo has" Who has Ringo influenced? Merseybeat is deader than disco. I can name more bands that Anthony Axon has influenced than you can name bands.
Ringo could play a groove, his feel and timing were infectious. He it was who made those early Beatles numbers so dance-able. A proper unpretentious groovy drummer.
Good take on Ringo. His sound was very important to the end result that was the Beatles' sound. He had some innovative riffs that worked so well for the group's feel. I've never thought of Ringo as one of the GREAT rock drummers (my hero was Bonham), but he was never meant to play Zeppelin just as much as Bonham was never meant to play Beatles. Ringo was perfect for what he worked in. There's no way Ringo was a weak link in one of the best bands in history. Not a chance.
@@sjames304 This is exactly at the heart of the issue. Ringo was exactly what the Beatles needed. Bonham was exactly what Led Zep needed. My favorite example of this is Phil Rudd from AC/DC. Technically competent, not a flashy drummer. But an absolute human metronome.
@kevinmichael9482 And people forget that the Beatles specifically targeted Ringo as the replacement drummer for the band. So they got exactly what they wanted from a drummer
That must have been very uncomfortable for all the other musicians when you have the bosses wife "forced" upon you to play along with. Think anybody ever corrected her (besides Paul)? If I were Denny Laine or Jimmy McCullah (sp) I would have starting looking for a new gig the day Paul said "Linda will be joining us"
My god I fucking hate the Beatles with the passion of a thousand burning suns being butt fucked by satan!!!! They were all shit and stole from black artists via chuck berry at the beginning and Arthur Love and jimi by the end. Excellent magpies but bloody ordinary musicians who got real lucky
Sabbath with Ozzy is by far the best Sabbath. His style vocals were perfect for what the band was doing, not to mention his energy which he still has today despite his current health issues. Ozzy is rock always will be , I miss him already.
McCartney probably had good incentive to put Linda in the band and on stage. It informed all the female fans that Mrs McCartney would be backstage with Mr McCartney after the show was over. Good way to safeguard your marriage.
Thanks for standing up for Ringo and Nick Mason! I love both of their drumming! Also, I saw the David Lee Roth "Eat 'em and Smile" Tour and that was one of the most spot on LIVE shows ever! Roth, Vai, Sheehan & Bisonette all nailed it!
Adam Clayton had some wonderful bass lines on the early albums. He (like the rest of U2) have been phoning it in for years. Kenny Jones doesn't get a fair wrap, nobody on planet earth could have followed Moon, he was totally unique. Agree with Sid Vicious who was a clothes horse, he was a dickhead who blinded a girl in one eye with a pint glass even without the Nancy Spungen incident, I really don't see why he is a cultural icon. Diamond Dave was an integral part of Van Halen and nuts, he wasn't a weak link
In Kenney Jones the Who finally acquired a drummer capable of performing a drummer's basic duty which is reliable timekeeping. Only after you've mastered this there is room for ornamentation.
The only part I'd disagree with you on is U2 collectively phoning it in. It pains and I can not stress enough pains me to say that The Edge and Bono definitely are. Adam's an interesting case to say the least. But I heard someone describe U2 in the best way possible in a speech at an event. The band doesn't call themselves U2 internally. They call it the Larry Mullin JR. band. Because that guy has held them together through hell and high water. Where I think the others may have checked out to some extent Larry is still going at those drums today like they owe him money
@@TheBlindAndTheBeautiful Hopefully, Larry will recover and play with them again. He had to miss the entire residency at The Sphere, though he attended the penultimate show.
Also, sometimes a less technical, less gifted member can work as a glue keeping the band together with their humor or relaxed approach - or work as a Link between the technical, cold band and the excited audience. So a member might be crucial for the band chemistry even when not being musically brilliant or writing songs for them.
For the detractors, Nick Mason on Live at Pompei is off the scale. There's the wonderful section where he's really motoring. For all those in doubt. Check it out!
Especially during "One Of These Days" when Nick drops his drumstick and gets back into the song without skipping a beat. Also, the way the drums synergize with ricks organ is so tasteful.
About Anthony Kiedis and RHCP: I think people tend to forget before they hit mainstream they were a punk band, and pretty underground. Punk bands are notorious for politics and not being able to play their instruments (Clash excluded, of course) and the vocals count as an instrument. There's a scene in the skateboard movie "Thrashin'" that will show what RHCP were like in their raw form.
now sure but the early albums were brilliant, who could foretell that Bono would become Klaus Schwabs obedient lapdog and Joe Bidens wet nurse, even Lucifer didn't fall that far from grace and he was fictional , then again so is Bono these days
Liam is the most underrated lead singer, he may have been a an ego in a Parker, but his intuitive ability to know how the lyrics needed to be sung, on hearing a song once, that’s savant level front man genius.
The "Edge's" one-note solos are legendary (how he makes those best guitarists list, baffles me). No weak links in the Beatles. Roth isn't a good singer but was a good front man. BTW - who is Amber Ward and how many albums has she sold?
He makes those lists because being a great rock guitarist isn't all about showy pyrotechnics, it's about being distinctive. And Edge is arguably the most distinctive guitarist of his generation.
The Edge had a distinctive style and sound - playing triads high up on the neck instead of conventional chords. He isn't really a lead player who played many solos. There's a lot of guitarists who make those lists mainly on band success and name recognition. I respect him for sure but he shouldn't be anywhere near the top of any list.
As a drummer, myself i love Ringo (my favorite drummer of all time) and Nick Mason and Kenney Jones, because they are not flash show boaty drummers, critics tend to knock them. I dont get it and never will. I'm grateful for an intelligent opinion like yours Barry, a true music lover, not like the person who wrote this list
Agree with your take on all of those Barry. Nick Mason's behind the beat percussive style was perfect for Floyd. Kenney Jones is best heard on those Small Faces classics - great drummer. One of my favourite Ringo performances was on Rain. Ozzy couldn't sing a note but he was Ozzy. I can't think of anybody else who got by purely on their character and presence. Thanks as usual.
I agree, poor old Sid turned out to be a bad publicity stunt and it ultimately killed him - you can't get much worse than that. Just listen to the Pistol's demos that are featured on the album Spunk, amongst others, and it's a totally different band. Glen had a style and tone that lifted those songs to another level and, yes, he wrote a great deal of the actual music.
I used to think Ringo wasn't that good, but then I read a piece by Kenny Aronoff about doing a transcription/run-through of The Beatles' "Rain." He was gushing nonstop about how no part of the drum part ever repeated and how it was basically a 3-minute drum solo with a song dropped on top of it. After that, I began to pick up how good he really was.
They don't get much airplay this century, but the Dave Clark 5 certainly had a long list of hit records. I seriously doubt that Dave Clark actually played or sang on any of those hits, but he was the CEO of the band. They never played live on Ed Sullivan, but were certainly on the show many times. Dave wasn't even good at pretending to play on TV..
Generally agree with your assessor. And yes enough with ringo bashing. He wasnt brought in as a singer… the boys just wanted to include him that way. But it was his creative drumming .. we know Pete couldn’t do it.
Ringo had an unique drumming style that came from using a right-handed drum kit while Ringo was left-handed. That extra space in time from moving his dominant hand to drum out a fill was ear candy to me and impossible for right-handed drummers to copy. He was responsible for the Beatle's overall different sound.
It had nothing to do with space in time from moving across the kit, it was that the fills started with the left hand which was difficult for us right handers to copy. You obviously don’t play drums, so maybe you should just speak not what you know not of.
To a great many people, DLR is THE vocalist for Van Halen. I’ve got nothing against Sammy Hagar but he’s no DLR. He was a charismatic juggernaut. Sure, you can dock points for onstage antics, but that doesn’t overshadow the appeal that he brought to their biggest hits. To say that makes him their weak link would be the same as saying that Axl Rose is the weak link of Guns N’ Roses. That dude was a nightmare to deal with, but his performance made up for it.
When I saw the thumbnail and noticed that Ringo and Nick Mason were included I wasnt going to bother watching this vid. It was only when I saw it was a Classic Album Review production I changed my mind. But I have to say that the whole premise of weak links in great bands to be ludicrous. However it does generate discussion I suppose.
I think there are decent calls for all of these band members not being the weak links but particularly Liam Gallagher, Nick Mason and Ringo Star who were pivotal to their respective bands. Was it a slow music day for this particular journalist?
No just you everyday S-L-O-W M-I-N-D-E-D journalist pretender who probably has less musical talent then my toe-nail clippings. BTW I can't play instruments can't sing and can't dance either .Just being honest about me unlike the person who wrote the column and doesn't know ANYTHING about music.
I don’t think Adam Clayton belongs on here. He may not be technical like Geddy Lee or, Billie Sheehan, but listen to any of the first four or five U2 albums. His bass lines are awesome and on a lot of songs are the hooks. Ozzy Osbourne is one that definitely belongs on here. He couldn’t sing his way out of a wet paper bag on his best day. It really is amazing someone with so little talent becomes a God in the metal world. there’s a video here on TH-cam somewhere of an opera singer doing blind reactions to metal singers and when they played Bruce Dickinson she couldn’t get over how good he was, then they played Ozzie and she said something like “is this a joke”?
Robert Plant on his podcast actually referred to himself as the weak link in Led Zeppelin which is almost impossible to imagine. The same band and singer that influenced groups like Rush and literally hundreds of others.
Plant didn’t take care of that wonderful voice of his. By 1973, most of his register was already shot. He cracked and squeaked his way through many Zep tours. Thankfully, his bandmates were so good that no one cared that much. He took half the show to warm up his vocals because he simply wouldn’t do it BEFORE the show. By the way, I’m a mega Zep fan. But facts are facts. Really wish he would have bothered to care for his throat.
@@MJEvermore853 --Plant absolutely did have did have vocal chord surgery to have nodules removed around 1973 or '74. He sounded distinctly different on Presense in '76 (which was recorded in '75). But he thrashed his voice too much in the early years and the damage was done..
@@robertwheatley2471 … yep. I had forgotten to mention that surgery. I had always thought the surgery was earlier, before the Houses album, because of how different I thought his voice sounded on that album, but I was wrong. The surgery was a little later on during the time that you had stated above.
If I was to give them all marks out of 100 I would award 100 to John Paul Jones and John Bonham, 99 to Page and 98 to Plant. So yes he was the weak link!
As a drummer of over 30 years, I would never construe Kenney Jones as the weak link in any band. Kenney played with a clean technique that was much different than that of Keith Moon. Kenney played what the songs demanded and didn't compromise his style which I respect and the songs he performed on "You Better You Bet," "Eminence Front" are still legendary and enjoyable today! It seems like Daltrey was grieving Moon's death and that may have clouded his judgment on Jones' drumming.
I've always thought that Ozzy was one of the best vocalists in all of heavy metal history. You had a beautiful high-pitched voice and I think I've never noticed any problems with it. I don't even understand people saying he had problems with range because I don't think he did. That band was blessed with one great singer after another.
Linda's horrid vocals were great, as they provided some of the flavor and feeling that made the songs great.. That particular sound of the full band singing harmonies, with her wandering around the notes, is unique and special, and part of my life.
The rock radio station I listened to when I was in HS (class of 1980) played a clip of Linda’s singing isolated on the board with the rest of the band just audible in a live Wings show. She was terrible. But it was Paul’s band, so she got to pretend to sing.
My brother is a professional musician and I spent a lot if time with drummers. Ringo is a great drummer because he played with the music. Other drummers Playover the music or playunder the music. Ringo played with the music and helped move it along
There would have been one major flaw with any technically proficient drummer who would have been in Ringo's place on The Beatles. And that simply is --- that they would not have been _Ringo._ True Beatle fans know what I mean.
Ringo isn't a flash drummer by any account but he kept simple rhythms beautifully for a band that was huge but not as great as people say or think. As talented in his way as every other member
Eh, I think he gets too much hate. I'm not defending him being the asshole uncle of the group, but we all have bad nights. I've seen clips where he absolutely shreds.
The drums were one of the things I noticed when hearing Metallica for the 1st time. Cool unique fills and cymbal work. Cant imagine Metallica with anyone else.
Ringo????.....Listen to "Rain" "In My Life" "Ticket to Ride" "Come Together"......His drum parts are iconic not to mention ground breaking and he was the reason I got into drumming
It's silly to even address such a shameless bid for attention as the original listmaker did, but Ringo was not a mere "timekeeper." He wasn't a heavy-footed, extravagant overplayer like, say, John Bonham or Keith Moon -- both GREAT rock drummers -- either, but every drummer has a style and a sensibility and, obviously, the Beatles would not be the Beatles without him. (I prefer the intricacy and swing Billy Higgins to the more extroverted Art Blakey. So there.) That amazing drum part that propels "Tomorrow Never Knows" is a loop, but he played the track. And the only real "drum solo" in the Beatles catalog (leading into "love you" near the end of the Side 2 medley) is embedded in our pop culture DNA for good reason. Also, "Helter Skelter": "I've got blisters on my fingers!" He earned them.
Sad thing about sid vicious music wise, is that he was actually a decent vocalist, like i heard a live version of him singing stepping stone and it was actually really good.
Van Halen wasn’t V H without Roth I probably would agree slightly as a singer but he fit what they did he also was the one that did a lot of the work on their videos and came up with a lot of ideas for those
Ringo was perfect, i bet if you get ten studio drummers of high quality who somehow have never heard Beatles and removed Ringo and told them to add a drum track, they would all be in time and very good, but none would surpass or even equal what Ringo played---
100% on board about Ringo. Heck he is most professional drummers favorite drummer. No one in the Beatles was expendable and they certainly had no weak links.. that is pretty much objective just based on their success and number of hits. Ringo was the perfect drummer for that band on every level... I even like his songs granted compared to the other members was quite sparse.
Good on you for defending Ringo. Zero flash, no unnecessary fills, no showing off at all. He played with taste, and his playing always served the song.
Let's talk about Linda. To find what she added you only need to see and hear what was lost when she passed. I, for one, miss her voice in the mix. She helped Paul through tough times, made it possible for him to collect double songwriting royalties, stopped his being killed in Legos, wrote and sang "Seaside Woman", and wrote the reggea section of "Live and Let Die". Also she was a fantastic photographer. THIS is everything I realized after the fact and now feel regret that I/we underappreciated her.
Black Sabbath isn't Sabbath without Ozzy. His vocals made the band what it originally was. When Dio took over they became more of an Iron Maiden type band, not Black Sabbath.
Although I'm a keyboardist and would cringe when I heard some of Linda McCartney's out-of-time synth lines, like on "Band on the Run," I still accepted her because she was a great "rock wife"- she let Paul flourish in his craft and was always loving and supportive, so I gave her limited musical abilities a pass. I also was fine with her vocals. The one who belongs on this list in Linda's place is Yoko Ono; she not only has a dreadful singing voice, but Yoko was likely responsible for breaking up the Beatles and thereby destroying any future potential to where that band would have gone musically after the brilliant Abbey Road. As far as her work in John Lennon's solo albums, most of Yoko's singing only serves as a detraction from enjoyment of the music. I also strongly disagree about David Lee Roth. In fact, after he left Van Halen, I lost interest in the band. Sammy Hagar may be a technically better singer, but the humor, wit, and shtick of DLR was part of his persona and ultimately defined the Van Halen brand. When that was lost, they lost me.
Ringo was a great drummer for the Beatles..perfect, in fact. Listen to his drumming on the band's 66-70 output, not forgetting footage of his live performances. What I also loved about Ringo is that he didn't do boring drum solos..like me, he hated them.
Nick Mason absolutely was not a weak link in Pink Floyd. His sense of timing was impeccable. Listen to something as simple as his high-hat strokes in A Saucerful of Secrets, and you'll know what I mean. Never mind about Sid Vicious being a weak link in The Sex Pistols. The whole band was a weak link. They never intended to make music, only to sneer at the concept of talent.
Ringo used the quarter note triplet better than any other rock drummer. Also in tracks such as Rain, Strawberry Fields, and A Day In A Life Ringo's sense of depth in terms of color is absolutely stunning. Only a non musician would say something that ignorant about Ringo's drumming.
That would be me, decent fit but far from a Bonham, Moon or Baker who would have been massive headaches for Lennon/McCartney who like George had Ringo under their control.
@@wovfm Yet I'm the opposite. Decent fit and way better than Bonham, Moon or Baker (except in their particular niche strengths), and he's only done one drum solo, so maybe all 3 could be better than him there, but he's so reliable and innovative/creative. Has anyone else done a drum hook like the one in Come Together? Can anyone do doubles and triplets like Ringo?
1. Bez - Happy Mondays 2. Paul Rutherford - Frankie Goes to Hollywood 3. Flava Flav - Public Enemy 4. Jason Orange - Take That 5. Jimmy Osmond - The Osmonds 6. Craig Logan - Bros 7. Renato - Renee and Renato 8. Keith Harris - Keith Harris & Orville 9. Martin Kemp - Spandau Ballet 10. Jon - S Club7
The first 3 were iconic in those bands. Not musical genius but musical genius make prog rock not great grooves. Who can forget Bez’s shaker shaking on the video to Step On?
Ringo was and is a great drummer. I've heard his and paul's bass isolated and it's truly an educational experience and very indicative of how much both were influenced by Motown. Van Halen would NEVER have gotten the popularity they initially got without David Lee Roth. The only people that put guitar solos over songs and presentation are musicians.
The Peter Jackson let it be doco showed in plain view that Ringo is one of the most perfect drummers in the history of rock n pop music. Sound/tone, creativity & reliability
I don't think people give Dave enough credit for his live performances. Singing on key is hard enough without running half a marathon every show while trying to harmonize with a guitarist who never tunes to 440.
Ringo also got a long with his bandmates, which is huge. I think Charlie Watts and Ron Wood were weak links, Charlie throughout his time with the Stones, and Wood upon his arrival and through 1981 tour (after that the band no longer matters).
😂😂😂😂😂 The Beatles were a solid band all round. Some people say Ringo was lucky, he says that The Beatles were lucky to get him. Ringo’s fills were fantastic, his ability to keep up with the phenomenal progression was very impressive. Well presented though.
Ringo was laying down a drum part for some album and was asked if he wanted a click track. His reply was "I am the F@@KING CLICK TRACK!" He was perfect.
Totally disagree with Linda McCartney. She added so much charm to those records, and it just proves how spoiled the world was for great music back in the day to cast her as a bad thing. I'm amazed by just how many GREAT, classic songs her harmonies are featured in: Most of the classics on Band on the Run, Live and Let Die, Too Many People, Goodnight Tonight, Junior's Farm, Silly Love Songs, Listen to What the Man Said, With a Little Luck.. sheesh the list goes on and on! Most "pros" only WISH they worked on a catalog of such absolute legendary tracks. None of those records would be the same without Linda. Her contributions are a plus in every case, not a detriment. I honestly think the whole idea of dissing her is based more on some belief she helped break up the Beatles (along with Yoko) or something, not her actual work.
@@EPA18 and you MIGHT be correct if Paul had only used her on one or two obscure songs, not made her part of his band, and not featured her harmonies and keys in dozens of hit songs. And yet that's exactly what he did. I'll take the judgement of arguably the world's most successful musician (Paul) and a record buying audience that spanned decades (and my own ears because there are as I pointed out tons of classic tracks that sound great we've all heard a billion times) over your "oh she sucks, who would put her voice on a record" denial of reality any day. So there's that. :)
A solid supporting musician who only plays what is necessary to serve the song is a huge asset rather than a weak link.
Someone has to keep the beat.
@@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747 True but a lot of these musicians like Ringo / Nick Mason also had a style and feel that was very creative.
@@craigbroadfoot1851 Very true. Anyone calling them a weak link better be more talented than the so-called weak links.
Well said.
Bingo.
Ringo.
Ringo being on this list is particularly outrageous to me.
I agree
Ridiculous
Lennon on guitar? Harrison's leads? We can argue. Ringo's drumming is iconic
Lennon and Harrison were obviously not weak links though.@@SpenCoTroic
Ringo was probably top 3 greatest drummers in the world at the time….fact is he’s still mentioned after 60 years stupid list
The Beatles Had NO weak link- that’s why they’re the Beatles.
Engage in idolatry much?
The Beatles had a weak link, Pete Best.
@sciwiz To be honest, the Drummer was their best musician, not their worst, however George Martin, nicknamed the fifth Beatle was the star of this group of very ordinary pop musicians, and an excellent choice that they did not play live, however I watched the one-off recording on the roof top, apart from Billy Preston they were dreadful for the short time they actually 'played'
Their weak link is PAUL MCCARTNEY. Because he has no concept of what BAND means. Harrison, Lennon and Starr DID understand what band means.
@@pmoran7971 "Very ordinary" and "dreadful". Are you serious?
Mike Love. He wasn't so much a weak link as a guy with a sledgehammer trying, successfully, to smash the chain to bits.
He was also a lousy person. He liked to sue Brian Wilson, and at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, he badmouthed other artists.
Mike Love was the most important member of the Beach Boys..... according to Mike Love!!
Mike love Loves Mike Love ..... I always remember that really old beach boys concert, grainy, black and white... and for some reason Mike kept trying to distract Dennis, RIP, whilst he was singing his solos etc, moving his mic away from him and up and down, covering his eyes, Dennis of course soldiered on and was graceful as ever.
Well they tried to rip Mike love off ,so yeah ...funny, mike was the only one trying to keep it all together, while the wilsons were drugging and boozing and tripping hard
I hate it when people bash Ringo. He was empathetic to the songs not just bashing away he knew the value of space and accents he was the best drummer for the Beatles.
Ringo was the perfect drummer for the Beatles. AND Ringo had style
And he was the second best drummer in the Beatles.
@@sludge8506 Nope.
Funny enuff but if ANY other drummer had played " just the basics " on a Beatles record, it would have sounded like shite.
Ringo knows WHAT to play, and WHEN.
He's always right there in the groove@@HeelSection3825 .
Playing circles around Ringo doesn't make any sense.
It's like saying Steve Vai could play circles around André Segovia
Not True
@@allanalogmusicat78rpmhe was though
Nick Mason on that Pompeii film was a beast. Echoes is one of my favourites, and Nick Mason and Roger Waters in that middle groove are sublime.
Absolutely. I always loved that bit of music. The groove is astonishingly right.
THIS!!!!
And when he played A Saucerful of Secrets on that show.
His coolest fill is One Of These Days where his stick goes flying and he doesn't drop a beat whilst grabbing another stick and doing a bit of showmanship. Class 👌
Nick mason was tearing up one of these days live in pompeii
I just read her list. Neal Schon from Journey was their weakest link? Jim Morrison from the Doors? Paul Simonon from The Clash? OMG. She must be sniffing glue.
Perry was their weakest link. Dreadful sappy voice.
@@МаксРогозин-е1ю I have to kind of agree and disagree with that.. Band was at it's finest when they had the vocals of both Gregg Rollie and Steve Perry,
None of those bands make it without those three.
What??! Jim Morrison the weak link? Next she'll be saying Ian Anderson was the weak link in Jethro Tull!
@clairehelmsley6608 Those two albums that the Doors recorded without Jim were so successful that she's never even heard of them. But what do I know? She's the professional. Perhaps she could write a follow-up article explaining why "Strange Days" is inferior to "Other Voices."
Nick Mason is the only member of Pink Floyd to have played on all their albums, and is the longest serving member of the band.
I agree, it is horse shit to call him a weal link
I worked (as a producer) with a lot different drummers in London for many years, some were in bands, others were session drummers.
I noticed an interesting hierarchy of opinions regarding Ringo's abilities.
The lower tier of drummers, the guys in bands, tended to rate Ringo if they were Beatles fans, but to express poor opinions of him if they weren't. The mid-tier session drummers tended to disparage Ringo's abilities. This was pretty much universal amongst those guys.
However, the absolute top tier of session guys (and that is a small elite band) were, to a man, in awe of Ringo.
Because if you follow the path of enlightenment you reach the end of Peart.
@Steamer-ni9wv I must look up Bill Ward, believe it or not I noticed and admired the Blondie drummer (especially Heart of Glass and Rapture) but without knowing too much of their stuff. I just love drumming that's just right. Even yesterday I heard John Lennon's Woman on the radio and wondered if Ringo played on it (He didn't but it was in his style).
@Steamer-ni9wv It seems my education is only beginning! I've just listened to War Pigs, first time for me, and I wonder how I've missed that one for so many years. I suppose we only have one adolescence and that seems to be when tastes are set. Clem Burke next!
@Steamer-ni9wv Not so much in real life, I need to work on it.
Ringo Starr = Brilliant and musically tasteful. He swings and was perfect for the most influential rock band in history
He was a professional drummer when the others were still learning to play. And he was their indisputable choice when they started making records.
He was the ONLY drummer that would have made the Beatles what they are. Anyone else would not have been a fit. He played the perfect parts to fit the songs
And Ringo was the second best drummer in the Beatles.
@@sludge8506 Parroting Jasper Carrott?
Ringo was a better actor than a drummer..he sucked as an actor
It's not just Michael Anthony's bass playing that made him unique, it was his backup vocal harmonies with Roth in their heyday years.
I always have to laugh when I see live recordings of Van Halen when Roth was with them. Eddie and Michael are spot on with their harmonies and Dave is lost in the weeds half the time.😂 Alex was no slouch on drums either.
They should have booted Roth before the first album or never allowed him in at all. They should have either found a singer who could actually sing and write songs, or given the lead singer duties to Michael Anthony. I have no doubt he would have done a fine job with that responsibility. Roth was not a good front man either. He was a clown. I agree with the commenter below: in live performances, Alex, Eddie and Mike are spot on with their responsibilities. Roth is wandering around being a complete @ss.
Wrong. Roth has great charisma and whitty lyrics, they wouldn’t have made it without him. He also had a great look.
@@ziggypop79 I agree. He was also very influential in getting them gigs. He’s very articulate and respectful when it comes to business. His lyrics and style fit the band perfectly although it’s true really couldn’t sing because he didn’t breathe properly. I never noticed until I read an article about the band fifteen years where Alex he had to punch in a lot of vocal parts because he’d run out of breath. I always liked Dave but I knew people that couldn’t listen to Van Halen because of Dave.
@@runnerandgunner7954 I couldn't disagree with this statement more. Are you actually Sammy Hagar?
The idea that anyone who purports to know anything about music would describe Nick Mason as a weak link is astonishing. That sort of calls into question Amber Ward's judgement on everything else on her list.
Yes, re Nick Mason. Many Floyd songs are at quarter note = 60, which, if you've ever played the drums, takes an incredible amount of skill and discipline to maintain. Nick Mason was an absolute master of slow tempo drumming and had a great feel. Also it's worth noting that Money is indeed a song that goes between 7/4 and 6/8, all again with slower tempi, thus calling for a great deal of discipline.
@@canalesworks1247Listening to the non-remastered version of Momentary Lapse drives home how important Nick's contribution was, and had always been, to Pink Floyd's sound and vibe.
Yes, interestingly that post Pink Floyd both David Gilmour and Rogers Waters have enlisted drummers who playing within Mason's concept of straight-up, simple and spacious.
True, Mason is no Carl Palmer. But then imagine what Pink Floyd would have sounded were Carl Palmer on the drums....
@@MrCherryJuice Now see, despite Carl Palmer being a technically brilliant drummer I can't imagine that working well. There's a matter of feel.
100%. I have never heard of Amber Ward but straight away that undermines any kind of credibility that she might have otherwise had. The list is pretty poor overall.
Saying Ozzy is the weakest link in Black Sabbath, is like saying Alice Cooper is the weakest link in Alice Cooper.
Which is 100% true! Alice hires top shelf musicians but he is no vocalist by any means. It's all theatrics
Tony Iommi is the most important Sabster by any measure
Denny Laine was a pivotal member of Wings. Paul’s burst of solo creativity success was greatly aided by Denny Laine.
I'm sure Nick Mason is crying in his Ferrari, right now. 😂
Which one?
@@slidetek that's why he's crying... The agony of choice. 😂
my thoughts exactly
To knock Mason is highly absurd. Ignorant.
@@boulevardblueband 👍
The problem with making a list like this is that a weak link in a " great " band is often still really good, relatively speaking.
Anyone calling Ringo's drumming "simplistic" really needs to step off at this point. There's nothing simplistic about tailoring distinctive, "not-what-you-would've-guessed" drum parts for every song, and every _segment_ (intro, verse, chorus, fills, outro...) on such a _wide range_ of songs, such that each one of them _rockets to the top of the charts,_ delighting multiple generations ever since. Maybe the fact that the drums complement the music and lyrics _so_ well, and are so "hand in glove" with them, it starts to make some people think it must've just been "obvious" or a "given", what needed to be played. _Not so!_ That's Ringo's genius: starting from _absolute scratch,_ yet making it seem like these melodies and rhythms were destined to be together since _eternity._ Cheers!
Very well put. I totally agree!
Well said!
Just one of the words to describe Ringo's drumming would be "unorthodox." Also, 100% original...
One of the filthiest shufflers to hold the sticks!!
The way I look at it.... would any of those Beatles songs sound better with a Bonham.. Moon... Mitchell.. Baker playing on them??NO!!
Simplicity isn't the same as weakness. Ringo and Adam Clayton play to the song and are perfectly suited to their respective bands.
I agree
because a part in a mechanism is simple does not mean that it does fulfill its part in the ensemble...replace that part by another supposedly more complex or refined and the ensemble might not work as well. Successful bands have no weak links because all the different parts define their sound...that is why they are successful. Meg white is a very limited drummer, but it would not be the white stripes without her.
Anyone that refers to Ringo Starr has a weak link is completely clueless. John, Paul and George have all said that Ringo was the missing piece of the band. He brought a lot to the band in his own way
Yes, but in response to the question, 'Do you think Ringo is the best drummer in the world?', John is reported to have said: 'Ringo? He isn't even the best drummer in The Beatles'. Probably apocryphal, though.
Not sure if I’d say the best but definitely top 5 in my opinion. He made drum parts that fit perfectly in the songs. He was extremely good at keeping tempo as well. As far as John’s comment, I believe it was just a joke. The Beatles always made remarks similar to that to the press
@@calebcaldwell1713 "Not sure if I’d say the best but definitely top 5 in my opinion. "
Maybe you should listen to more than 5 bands.
"He was extremely good at keeping tempo as well."
He can't even play sloppy at speeds that would warrant saying extremely good at keeping tempo.
@@mmestari I listen to more than 5 bands just giving credit where credit is due. There’s a reason Ringo is seen as a great drummer. He didn’t have to be flashy to be considered great. I don’t think there’s a drummer that has had more influence than Ringo has
@@calebcaldwell1713 " I listen to more than 5 bands just giving credit where credit is due."
Nah, you are just disrespecting actually good drummers. Go listen Pete Sandoval play Mozart's 25th Symphony, that's actually excellent drumming. Then listen to Helter Skelter, which according Ringo himself is at the zenith of his technical ability. Then you should realize that, realistically Ringo doesn't even make the top 10000 best drummers of the world.
" I don’t think there’s a drummer that has had more influence than Ringo has"
Who has Ringo influenced? Merseybeat is deader than disco.
I can name more bands that Anthony Axon has influenced than you can name bands.
I feel your pain in mentioning Ringo on this list. The more I relisten to the Beatles, the more I realize…no Ringo = no Beatles.
Imagine your weak link is ringo though. Now that’s a massive compliment to the others.
Are you HIGH?
I wouldn't go that far but they knew what they were doing when they sent Pete Best back to the bakery.
@clairehelmsley6608
They certainly did.
Ringo could play a groove, his feel and timing were infectious. He it was who made those early Beatles numbers so dance-able. A proper unpretentious groovy drummer.
Good take on Ringo. His sound was very important to the end result that was the Beatles' sound. He had some innovative riffs that worked so well for the group's feel. I've never thought of Ringo as one of the GREAT rock drummers (my hero was Bonham), but he was never meant to play Zeppelin just as much as Bonham was never meant to play Beatles. Ringo was perfect for what he worked in. There's no way Ringo was a weak link in one of the best bands in history. Not a chance.
@@sjames304 This is exactly at the heart of the issue. Ringo was exactly what the Beatles needed. Bonham was exactly what Led Zep needed. My favorite example of this is Phil Rudd from AC/DC. Technically competent, not a flashy drummer. But an absolute human metronome.
@kevinmichael9482 And people forget that the Beatles specifically targeted Ringo as the replacement drummer for the band. So they got exactly what they wanted from a drummer
And you couldn't knock him off the beat with a bulldozer! His timekeeping is IMPECCABLE.
@@glennhecker4422 That's very true!!!
Even though she was the weakest link, Linda added keyboards and backing vocals to some of the most iconic Wings songs.
That must have been very uncomfortable for all the other musicians when you have the bosses wife "forced" upon you to play along with. Think anybody ever corrected her (besides Paul)? If I were Denny Laine or Jimmy McCullah (sp) I would have starting looking for a new gig the day Paul said "Linda will be joining us"
But were Linda's keyboards actually plugged in?
@@jimmilne882 Doubt it. Dennis Wilson's drum kit wasn't "miked" in the later stages of his alcoholism. He was "joined" by a another drummer who's was.
@@jimmilne882 It would be impossible to know for sure.
"A Day in the LIfe" closes down all arguments about Ringo's ability.
Ringo didn't song-write as well as his bandmates... who were Paul McCartney, John Lennon, and George Harrison. So I think he can get a pass for that
Wrong, he wrote their biggest song. Yellow submarine is the only song that a 3 yr old and 90 yr old both know. Therefore the most popular beatle song
@@petergrantlloyd6754 I love Ringo a lot, but he didn't write that
@@petergrantlloyd6754Yellow Submarine was written by Lennon and McCartney - Ringo just sang on it.
Exactly. It's like who was the weakest link of the '71 Orioles Starting Pitchers?
My god I fucking hate the Beatles with the passion of a thousand burning suns being butt fucked by satan!!!! They were all shit and stole from black artists via chuck berry at the beginning and Arthur Love and jimi by the end. Excellent magpies but bloody ordinary musicians who got real lucky
That chilling opening line on Sabbath,s first album ,What is this that stands before me , only OZZY could pull this off
Correct.
Ozzy being such a unique sounding vocalist is highly overlooked
Sabbath with Ozzy is by far the best Sabbath. His style vocals were perfect for what the band was doing, not to mention his energy which he still has today despite his current health issues. Ozzy is rock always will be , I miss him already.
That song scared the crap out of me when I first heard it.
This is a scientifically proven fact: Ozzy is Sabbath's GREATEST-EVER vocalist! With Dio an INCREDIBLY close second!
McCartney probably had good incentive to put Linda in the band and on stage.
It informed all the female fans that Mrs McCartney would be backstage with Mr McCartney after the show was over.
Good way to safeguard your marriage.
Also its so Paul McCartney isnt apart from her and still together. If Linda isn't in Wings, Paul is off away for long periods of time on the road.
Thanks for standing up for Ringo and Nick Mason! I love both of their drumming! Also, I saw the David Lee Roth "Eat 'em and Smile" Tour and that was one of the most spot on LIVE shows ever! Roth, Vai, Sheehan & Bisonette all nailed it!
At least Sid V. did the definitive version of 'My Way'!
This Amber Ward person seems to know more about the craft of drumming than anybody here... I'd like to hear her play some time.
Adam Clayton had some wonderful bass lines on the early albums. He (like the rest of U2) have been phoning it in for years.
Kenny Jones doesn't get a fair wrap, nobody on planet earth could have followed Moon, he was totally unique.
Agree with Sid Vicious who was a clothes horse, he was a dickhead who blinded a girl in one eye with a pint glass even without the Nancy Spungen incident, I really don't see why he is a cultural icon.
Diamond Dave was an integral part of Van Halen and nuts, he wasn't a weak link
Kenny Jones était excellent avec les SMALL FACES.
Van Halen sans David Lee Roth, n'est plus Van Halen.
In Kenney Jones the Who finally acquired a drummer capable of performing a drummer's basic duty which is reliable timekeeping. Only after you've mastered this there is room for ornamentation.
Two Hearts Beat As One is an excellent bass performance. Generally, Adam plays what suits the song. Nothing wrong with that.
The only part I'd disagree with you on is U2 collectively phoning it in. It pains and I can not stress enough pains me to say that The Edge and Bono definitely are. Adam's an interesting case to say the least. But I heard someone describe U2 in the best way possible in a speech at an event. The band doesn't call themselves U2 internally. They call it the Larry Mullin JR. band. Because that guy has held them together through hell and high water. Where I think the others may have checked out to some extent Larry is still going at those drums today like they owe him money
@@TheBlindAndTheBeautiful Hopefully, Larry will recover and play with them again. He had to miss the entire residency at The Sphere, though he attended the penultimate show.
Sounds More Like Nitpicking Than Finding "Weak Links"...
I have no idea what he sounded like live, but David Lee Roth had some great vocals on Van Halen studio albums.
Also, sometimes a less technical, less gifted member can work as a glue keeping the band together with their humor or relaxed approach - or work as a Link between the technical, cold band and the excited audience. So a member might be crucial for the band chemistry even when not being musically brilliant or writing songs for them.
For the detractors, Nick Mason on Live at Pompei is off the scale. There's the wonderful section where he's really motoring. For all those in doubt. Check it out!
Especially during "One Of These Days" when Nick drops his drumstick and gets back into the song without skipping a beat. Also, the way the drums synergize with ricks organ is so tasteful.
DLR was one of the greatest front men of all time, great or shall I say, perfect on the albums and put on a very entertaining show!
About Anthony Kiedis and RHCP: I think people tend to forget before they hit mainstream they were a punk band, and pretty underground. Punk bands are notorious for politics and not being able to play their instruments (Clash excluded, of course) and the vocals count as an instrument. There's a scene in the skateboard movie "Thrashin'" that will show what RHCP were like in their raw form.
Nick Mason. "Now this is just absolute horse shit" 😂😂😂😂 Absolutely. Nick is a fantastic drummer.
The weak link in u2 is u2
now sure but the early albums were brilliant, who could foretell that Bono would become Klaus Schwabs obedient lapdog and Joe Bidens wet nurse, even Lucifer didn't fall that far from grace and he was fictional , then again so is Bono these days
Thank you!
Bono.
Um no. Nice try.
U2, 2U ?
Liam is the most underrated lead singer, he may have been a an ego in a Parker, but his intuitive ability to know how the lyrics needed to be sung, on hearing a song once, that’s savant level front man genius.
I think his vocals are complete shit. He has a voice like a crow farting.
There live videos are awesome. Rock star attitude with killer songs.
The "Edge's" one-note solos are legendary (how he makes those best guitarists list, baffles me). No weak links in the Beatles. Roth isn't a good singer but was a good front man. BTW - who is Amber Ward and how many albums has she sold?
Absolutely - Rattle and Hum - "Edge, play the blues!" Cue single note solo 😂
David Lee Roth was actually a pretty damn GOOD singer.
He makes those lists because being a great rock guitarist isn't all about showy pyrotechnics, it's about being distinctive. And Edge is arguably the most distinctive guitarist of his generation.
The Edge had a distinctive style and sound - playing triads high up on the neck instead of conventional chords. He isn't really a lead player who played many solos. There's a lot of guitarists who make those lists mainly on band success and name recognition. I respect him for sure but he shouldn't be anywhere near the top of any list.
As to DLR. How can you be a good front man and not meet the very first requirement, sing?
To come up with 300 perfect drum parts and was well liked by all -well done Ringo!
My vote for weakest link? Wolfgang Van Halen, and McCartney's kids...
Diamond Dave and Eddie Van Halen were together more than the sum of their parts …Great guitarist and classic frontman, no one sounded like they did..
As a drummer, myself i love Ringo (my favorite drummer of all time) and Nick Mason and Kenney Jones, because they are not flash show boaty drummers, critics tend to knock them. I dont get it and never will. I'm grateful for an intelligent opinion like yours Barry, a true music lover, not like the person who wrote this list
One of my favorite things about the RAM album is the blending of Paul & Linda’s vocals.
Agree with your take on all of those Barry. Nick Mason's behind the beat percussive style was perfect for Floyd. Kenney Jones is best heard on those Small Faces classics - great drummer. One of my favourite Ringo performances was on Rain. Ozzy couldn't sing a note but he was Ozzy. I can't think of anybody else who got by purely on their character and presence. Thanks as usual.
The engineer pointed out that it doesn't sound like Wings without Linda's vocals.
I agree, poor old Sid turned out to be a bad publicity stunt and it ultimately killed him - you can't get much worse than that. Just listen to the Pistol's demos that are featured on the album Spunk, amongst others, and it's a totally different band. Glen had a style and tone that lifted those songs to another level and, yes, he wrote a great deal of the actual music.
"Sammy throws a party, I AM a party!"- DLR
truth
I used to think Ringo wasn't that good, but then I read a piece by Kenny Aronoff about doing a transcription/run-through of The Beatles' "Rain." He was gushing nonstop about how no part of the drum part ever repeated and how it was basically a 3-minute drum solo with a song dropped on top of it. After that, I began to pick up how good he really was.
That's high praise. Kenny deserves more kudos too
They don't get much airplay this century, but the Dave Clark 5 certainly had a long list of hit records. I seriously doubt that Dave Clark actually played or sang on any of those hits, but he was the CEO of the band. They never played live on Ed Sullivan, but were certainly on the show many times. Dave wasn't even good at pretending to play on TV..
Ringo created catchy drum parts. Come Together, Something and A Day in the Life
So, this means Yoko is in the clear!
Generally agree with your assessor.
And yes enough with ringo bashing.
He wasnt brought in as a singer… the boys just wanted to include him that way.
But it was his creative drumming .. we know Pete couldn’t do it.
Ringo had an unique drumming style that came from using a right-handed drum kit while Ringo was left-handed. That extra space in time from moving his dominant hand to drum out a fill was ear candy to me and impossible for right-handed drummers to copy. He was responsible for the Beatle's overall different sound.
I suppose right-handed drummers could copy it if they use a left-handed kit...
It had nothing to do with space in time from moving across the kit, it was that the fills started with the left hand which was difficult for us right handers to copy. You obviously don’t play drums, so maybe you should just speak not what you know not of.
To a great many people, DLR is THE vocalist for Van Halen. I’ve got nothing against Sammy Hagar but he’s no DLR. He was a charismatic juggernaut. Sure, you can dock points for onstage antics, but that doesn’t overshadow the appeal that he brought to their biggest hits. To say that makes him their weak link would be the same as saying that Axl Rose is the weak link of Guns N’ Roses. That dude was a nightmare to deal with, but his performance made up for it.
When I saw the thumbnail and noticed that Ringo and Nick Mason were included I wasnt going to bother watching this vid. It was only when I saw it was a Classic Album Review production I changed my mind. But I have to say that the whole premise of weak links in great bands to be ludicrous. However it does generate discussion I suppose.
This list is absurd and ridiculous. It’s not worth commenting beyond that.
I think there are decent calls for all of these band members not being the weak links but particularly Liam Gallagher, Nick Mason and Ringo Star who were pivotal to their respective bands. Was it a slow music day for this particular journalist?
Guessing she got turned down by a band she just auditioned for.
Divisive lists get the clicks and comment "engagement"
No just you everyday S-L-O-W M-I-N-D-E-D journalist pretender who probably has less musical talent then my toe-nail clippings. BTW I can't play instruments can't sing and can't dance either .Just being honest about me unlike the person who wrote the column and doesn't know ANYTHING about music.
There’s no way that Ringo was a weak link! He was an amazing drummer & was one of the reasons the Beatles were so amazing!
I don’t think Adam Clayton belongs on here. He may not be technical like Geddy Lee or, Billie Sheehan, but listen to any of the first four or five U2 albums. His bass lines are awesome and on a lot of songs are the hooks. Ozzy Osbourne is one that definitely belongs on here. He couldn’t sing his way out of a wet paper bag on his best day. It really is amazing someone with so little talent becomes a God in the metal world. there’s a video here on TH-cam somewhere of an opera singer doing blind reactions to metal singers and when they played Bruce Dickinson she couldn’t get over how good he was, then they played Ozzie and she said something like “is this a joke”?
Robert Plant on his podcast actually referred to himself as the weak link in Led Zeppelin which is almost impossible to imagine. The same band and singer that influenced groups like Rush and literally hundreds of others.
Plant didn’t take care of that wonderful voice of his. By 1973, most of his register was already shot. He cracked and squeaked his way through many Zep tours. Thankfully, his bandmates were so good that no one cared that much.
He took half the show to warm up his vocals because he simply wouldn’t do it BEFORE the show.
By the way, I’m a mega Zep fan. But facts are facts. Really wish he would have bothered to care for his throat.
@@MJEvermore853 --Plant absolutely did have did have vocal chord surgery to have nodules removed around 1973 or '74. He sounded distinctly different on Presense in '76 (which was recorded in '75). But he thrashed his voice too much in the early years and the damage was done..
@@robertwheatley2471 … yep. I had forgotten to mention that surgery.
I had always thought the surgery was earlier, before the Houses album, because of how different I thought his voice sounded on that album, but I was wrong. The surgery was a little later on during the time that you had stated above.
@@robertwheatley2471the song remains the same "live" was retouched in studio
If I was to give them all marks out of 100 I would award 100 to John Paul Jones and John Bonham, 99 to Page and 98 to Plant. So yes he was the weak link!
As a drummer of over 30 years, I would never construe Kenney Jones as the weak link in any band. Kenney played with a clean technique that was much different than that of Keith Moon. Kenney played what the songs demanded and didn't compromise his style which I respect and the songs he performed on "You Better You Bet," "Eminence Front" are still legendary and enjoyable today! It seems like Daltrey was grieving Moon's death and that may have clouded his judgment on Jones' drumming.
You better you bet is 💩 given all the great music from the Who.
I've always thought that Ozzy was one of the best vocalists in all of heavy metal history. You had a beautiful high-pitched voice and I think I've never noticed any problems with it. I don't even understand people saying he had problems with range because I don't think he did. That band was blessed with one great singer after another.
Linda's horrid vocals were great, as they provided some of the flavor and feeling that made the songs great.. That particular sound of the full band singing harmonies, with her wandering around the notes, is unique and special, and part of my life.
The rock radio station I listened to when I was in HS (class of 1980) played a clip of Linda’s singing isolated on the board with the rest of the band just audible in a live Wings show. She was terrible. But it was Paul’s band, so she got to pretend to sing.
My brother is a professional musician and I spent a lot if time with drummers. Ringo is a great drummer because he played with the music. Other drummers Playover the music or playunder the music. Ringo played with the music and helped move it along
Ringo Starr does what every drummer (and every musician in general) should do: he SERVES THE SONG.
There would have been one major flaw with any technically proficient drummer who would have been in Ringo's place on The Beatles. And that simply is --- that they would not have been _Ringo._ True Beatle fans know what I mean.
Ringo isn't a flash drummer by any account but he kept simple rhythms beautifully for a band that was huge but not as great as people say or think. As talented in his way as every other member
Ringo is a drumming legend. Loved by all.
Lars Ulrich of Metallica is so bad he could be #1, #2, and #3 on this list.
Eh, I think he gets too much hate. I'm not defending him being the asshole uncle of the group, but we all have bad nights. I've seen clips where he absolutely shreds.
The drums were one of the things I noticed when hearing Metallica for the 1st time. Cool unique fills and cymbal work. Cant imagine Metallica with anyone else.
Kirk isn’t a great guitarist also. Especially live music
Ringo????.....Listen to "Rain" "In My Life" "Ticket to Ride" "Come Together"......His drum parts are iconic not to mention ground breaking and he was the reason I got into drumming
Also A Day in the Life.
Who in the band do you think is worse?
@@jesseredden7123 No one.....They are all equals and sensational at their respective talents
It's silly to even address such a shameless bid for attention as the original listmaker did, but Ringo was not a mere "timekeeper." He wasn't a heavy-footed, extravagant overplayer like, say, John Bonham or Keith Moon -- both GREAT rock drummers -- either, but every drummer has a style and a sensibility and, obviously, the Beatles would not be the Beatles without him. (I prefer the intricacy and swing Billy Higgins to the more extroverted Art Blakey. So there.) That amazing drum part that propels "Tomorrow Never Knows" is a loop, but he played the track. And the only real "drum solo" in the Beatles catalog (leading into "love you" near the end of the Side 2 medley) is embedded in our pop culture DNA for good reason. Also, "Helter Skelter": "I've got blisters on my fingers!" He earned them.
Sad thing about sid vicious music wise, is that he was actually a decent vocalist, like i heard a live version of him singing stepping stone and it was actually really good.
Van Halen wasn’t V H without Roth I probably would agree slightly as a singer but he fit what they did he also was the one that did a lot of the work on their videos and came up with a lot of ideas for those
Ringo was perfect, i bet if you get ten studio drummers of high quality who somehow have never heard Beatles and removed Ringo and told them to add a drum track, they would all be in time and very good, but none would surpass or even equal what Ringo played---
He was excellent
Interesting debunking of someone else's listing of semi-incoherent ramblings.
100% on board about Ringo. Heck he is most professional drummers favorite drummer. No one in the Beatles was expendable and they certainly had no weak links.. that is pretty much objective just based on their success and number of hits. Ringo was the perfect drummer for that band on every level... I even like his songs granted compared to the other members was quite sparse.
Ringo was great. When you really start focusing on the drums like A Day In the Life / Something / Come Together etc just great drum parts
Il ne faisait pas de solos comme Ginger Baker ou Keith Moon, mais, c'était un bon batteur.
Par contre, je pense que Dennis Wilson était très moyen.
Ringo, baby !! Listen also to She Said She Said, -who else could've played that ?
Good on you for defending Ringo. Zero flash, no unnecessary fills, no showing off at all. He played with taste, and his playing always served the song.
Let's talk about Linda. To find what she added you only need to see and hear what was lost when she passed. I, for one, miss her voice in the mix. She helped Paul through tough times, made it possible for him to collect double songwriting royalties, stopped his being killed in Legos, wrote and sang "Seaside Woman", and wrote the reggea section of "Live and Let Die". Also she was a fantastic photographer. THIS is everything I realized after the fact and now feel regret that I/we underappreciated her.
Furthermore on wings at the speed of sound she also did her first and only lead vocal on a track titled cook of the house
Black Sabbath isn't Sabbath without Ozzy. His vocals made the band what it originally was. When Dio took over they became more of an Iron Maiden type band, not Black Sabbath.
New and improved Black Sabbath 😂
If there is any doubt about Ringo. Listen to Ringo's drumming on the Plastic Ono Band album from 1970. Absolutely sublime.
John said about his later work with Ringo, where ever he went, Ringo was right there with him.
Excuse me, but wasn't Alan White the drummer for the Plastic Ono Band?
Although I'm a keyboardist and would cringe when I heard some of Linda McCartney's out-of-time synth lines, like on "Band on the Run," I still accepted her because she was a great "rock wife"- she let Paul flourish in his craft and was always loving and supportive, so I gave her limited musical abilities a pass. I also was fine with her vocals. The one who belongs on this list in Linda's place is Yoko Ono; she not only has a dreadful singing voice, but Yoko was likely responsible for breaking up the Beatles and thereby destroying any future potential to where that band would have gone musically after the brilliant Abbey Road. As far as her work in John Lennon's solo albums, most of Yoko's singing only serves as a detraction from enjoyment of the music. I also strongly disagree about David Lee Roth. In fact, after he left Van Halen, I lost interest in the band. Sammy Hagar may be a technically better singer, but the humor, wit, and shtick of DLR was part of his persona and ultimately defined the Van Halen brand. When that was lost, they lost me.
I agree with you about Linda, and made that point in the video
Ringo was a great drummer for the Beatles..perfect, in fact. Listen to his drumming on the band's 66-70 output, not forgetting footage of his live performances. What I also loved about Ringo is that he didn't do boring drum solos..like me, he hated them.
Nick Mason absolutely was not a weak link in Pink Floyd. His sense of timing was impeccable. Listen to something as simple as his high-hat strokes in A Saucerful of Secrets, and you'll know what I mean.
Never mind about Sid Vicious being a weak link in The Sex Pistols. The whole band was a weak link. They never intended to make music, only to sneer at the concept of talent.
If The Beatles had a weak link, it was John Lennon, not Ringo Starr. It was the former who allowed that screech owl Yoko Ono into the fold
Ringo used the quarter note triplet better than any other rock drummer. Also in tracks such as Rain, Strawberry Fields, and A Day In A Life Ringo's sense of depth in terms of color is absolutely stunning. Only a non musician would say something that ignorant about Ringo's drumming.
That would be me, decent fit but far from a Bonham, Moon or Baker who would have been massive headaches for Lennon/McCartney who like George had Ringo under their control.
@@wovfm Yet I'm the opposite. Decent fit and way better than Bonham, Moon or Baker (except in their particular niche strengths), and he's only done one drum solo, so maybe all 3 could be better than him there, but he's so reliable and innovative/creative. Has anyone else done a drum hook like the one in Come Together? Can anyone do doubles and triplets like Ringo?
...and your take on the "inferior" drummers I mentioned? I'm trying to learn here.
Couldn't have said it better. Thank you!!
Ringo’s kid is absolutely amazing!!!
1. Bez - Happy Mondays
2. Paul Rutherford - Frankie Goes to Hollywood
3. Flava Flav - Public Enemy
4. Jason Orange - Take That
5. Jimmy Osmond - The Osmonds
6. Craig Logan - Bros
7. Renato - Renee and Renato
8. Keith Harris - Keith Harris & Orville
9. Martin Kemp - Spandau Ballet
10. Jon - S Club7
Flavor Flav yeah booiiiiii!
Replace Keith Harris with H from Steps and this list is definitive.
J'avais complètement oublié Bez.
Est t-il réellement musicien ?
The first 3 were iconic in those bands. Not musical genius but musical genius make prog rock not great grooves.
Who can forget Bez’s shaker shaking on the video to Step On?
Haha...Renato and Renee were both the weak links in Renee and Renato!!!!
Yup your take on this issue is spot on.
We can’t believe someone would include Mason on such a list
Ringo was and is a great drummer. I've heard his and paul's bass isolated and it's truly an educational experience and very indicative of how much both were influenced by Motown. Van Halen would NEVER have gotten the popularity they initially got without David Lee Roth. The only people that put guitar solos over songs and presentation are musicians.
The Peter Jackson let it be doco showed in plain view that Ringo is one of the most perfect drummers in the history of rock n pop music. Sound/tone, creativity & reliability
Linda was actually pretty bloody good by the time they got to knebworth. Even Paul said that John couldn't play guitar when they first started.
She was a photographer. She could have been the band photographer, She wasn't a musician
@@alansmith4748 thank you Captain Obvious.
Tunes like silly live songs, with a little luck, et al, wouldve been poorer without linda
I don't think people give Dave enough credit for his live performances. Singing on key is hard enough without running half a marathon every show while trying to harmonize with a guitarist who never tunes to 440.
I see Roth was such a divisive figure that people prefer not to acknowledge he was a great singer, and when he left, VH was never the same.
He couldn't sing, stop lying to yourself
Ringo also got a long with his bandmates, which is huge. I think Charlie Watts and Ron Wood were weak links, Charlie throughout his time with the Stones, and Wood upon his arrival and through 1981 tour (after that the band no longer matters).
😂😂😂😂😂 The Beatles were a solid band all round. Some people say Ringo was lucky, he says that The Beatles were lucky to get him. Ringo’s fills were fantastic, his ability to keep up with the phenomenal progression was very impressive. Well presented though.
Ringo was laying down a drum part for some album and was asked if he wanted a click track. His reply was "I am the F@@KING CLICK TRACK!"
He was perfect.
Totally disagree with Linda McCartney. She added so much charm to those records, and it just proves how spoiled the world was for great music back in the day to cast her as a bad thing. I'm amazed by just how many GREAT, classic songs her harmonies are featured in: Most of the classics on Band on the Run, Live and Let Die, Too Many People, Goodnight Tonight, Junior's Farm, Silly Love Songs, Listen to What the Man Said, With a Little Luck.. sheesh the list goes on and on! Most "pros" only WISH they worked on a catalog of such absolute legendary tracks. None of those records would be the same without Linda. Her contributions are a plus in every case, not a detriment. I honestly think the whole idea of dissing her is based more on some belief she helped break up the Beatles (along with Yoko) or something, not her actual work.
Really, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Linda McCartney was absolutely awful. She couldn't sing, and she was no musician.
I totally agree with you.
@@EPA18 and you MIGHT be correct if Paul had only used her on one or two obscure songs, not made her part of his band, and not featured her harmonies and keys in dozens of hit songs. And yet that's exactly what he did. I'll take the judgement of arguably the world's most successful musician (Paul) and a record buying audience that spanned decades (and my own ears because there are as I pointed out tons of classic tracks that sound great we've all heard a billion times) over your "oh she sucks, who would put her voice on a record" denial of reality any day. So there's that. :)