Those who see Ringo as a weak link have never played in a band, nor do they understand how bands work. Ringo's taste, feel and understanding of songs and music are extremely valuable assets.
Ringo's only fault is he was in a band with two musical geniuses and one other excellent musician. So he's going to always appear as less talented in comparison, but I wouldn't put him as a weak link. To me weak link is someone that pulls your team down, holds them back, causes them to lose, etc. The Beatles were definitely not held back by Ringo.
His coolest fill is One Of These Days where his stick goes flying and he doesn't drop a beat whilst grabbing another stick and doing a bit of showmanship. Class 👌
He actually plays in a Pink Floyd tribute band, which is a pretty interesting way for a legacy band member to honestly represent themselves in their late career years.
@sciwiz To be honest, the Drummer was their best musician, not their worst, however George Martin, nicknamed the fifth Beatle was the star of this group of very ordinary pop musicians, and an excellent choice that they did not play live, however I watched the one-off recording on the roof top, apart from Billy Preston they were dreadful for the short time they actually 'played'
I just read her list. Neal Schon from Journey was their weakest link? Jim Morrison from the Doors? Paul Simonon from The Clash? OMG. She must be sniffing glue.
@@МаксРогозин-е1ю I have to kind of agree and disagree with that.. Band was at it's finest when they had the vocals of both Gregg Rollie and Steve Perry,
@clairehelmsley6608 Those two albums that the Doors recorded without Jim were so successful that she's never even heard of them. But what do I know? She's the professional. Perhaps she could write a follow-up article explaining why "Strange Days" is inferior to "Other Voices."
Funny enuff but if ANY other drummer had played " just the basics " on a Beatles record, it would have sounded like shite. Ringo knows WHAT to play, and WHEN. He's always right there in the groove@@HeelSection3825 . Playing circles around Ringo doesn't make any sense. It's like saying Steve Vai could play circles around André Segovia
In an interview with David Gilmour, a question came up in regards to Nick Mason’s drumming. David said that you can have the greatest drummer in the world play Comfortably Numb and it would sound great-but it wouldn’t sound quite right.
When people say best or greatest I always that the drummer was the best drummer for that band. I love Neal Peart but I couldn’t be in a band with him because I don’t play guitar at that level.
@@djtrendsetta5766 yeah, I get what you mean. In my opinion, I think he was acknowledging the fact that Mason was an integral part of Floyd’s sound and that was more important to the band and its music than technical ability. Just my opinion though.
@@djtrendsetta5766you would be more upset if he had said that Nick was the greatest drummer. It would also sound wrong. Most drummers are not the greatest.
Exactly. Ozzy Osbourne COMPOSED just like everyone else in the band. He is their melodist. He's the damn reason you know what to sing. Geezer is their main lyricist, Ozzy is their melodist. They're a team. Just like any other writing partnership that had one person doing this, the other doing that. Like Elton John & Bernie Taupin. Or Chris Difford & Glenn Tilbrook. Geezer wrote most of what gets said. Ozzy wrote what notes each word has. So you know what the hell to sing. @@stephencook4694
@@stephencook4694 They were a super group before that term existed! Fairies Wear Boots is a prime example. Awesome riff, amazing vocals, busting bassline and drum fills that inspired Metal! I've been Michael Hutchings, and that's why Black Sabbath are the pioneers of The Darkness!
The idea that anyone who purports to know anything about music would describe Nick Mason as a weak link is astonishing. That sort of calls into question Amber Ward's judgement on everything else on her list.
Yes, re Nick Mason. Many Floyd songs are at quarter note = 60, which, if you've ever played the drums, takes an incredible amount of skill and discipline to maintain. Nick Mason was an absolute master of slow tempo drumming and had a great feel. Also it's worth noting that Money is indeed a song that goes between 7/4 and 6/8, all again with slower tempi, thus calling for a great deal of discipline.
@@canalesworks1247Listening to the non-remastered version of Momentary Lapse drives home how important Nick's contribution was, and had always been, to Pink Floyd's sound and vibe.
Yes, interestingly that post Pink Floyd both David Gilmour and Rogers Waters have enlisted drummers who playing within Mason's concept of straight-up, simple and spacious. True, Mason is no Carl Palmer. But then imagine what Pink Floyd would have sounded were Carl Palmer on the drums....
100%. I have never heard of Amber Ward but straight away that undermines any kind of credibility that she might have otherwise had. The list is pretty poor overall.
If I've learned one thing from playing in crappy pub bands, it's that familiarity is everything. You may have a group of people that individually aren't that great, but if they know each other well and understand each other's playing, they can do some amazing things. That's really what rock music is all about.
I always have to laugh when I see live recordings of Van Halen when Roth was with them. Eddie and Michael are spot on with their harmonies and Dave is lost in the weeds half the time.😂 Alex was no slouch on drums either.
They should have booted Roth before the first album or never allowed him in at all. They should have either found a singer who could actually sing and write songs, or given the lead singer duties to Michael Anthony. I have no doubt he would have done a fine job with that responsibility. Roth was not a good front man either. He was a clown. I agree with the commenter below: in live performances, Alex, Eddie and Mike are spot on with their responsibilities. Roth is wandering around being a complete @ss.
@@ziggypop79 I agree. He was also very influential in getting them gigs. He’s very articulate and respectful when it comes to business. His lyrics and style fit the band perfectly although it’s true really couldn’t sing because he didn’t breathe properly. I never noticed until I read an article about the band fifteen years where Alex he had to punch in a lot of vocal parts because he’d run out of breath. I always liked Dave but I knew people that couldn’t listen to Van Halen because of Dave.
He was the ONLY drummer that would have made the Beatles what they are. Anyone else would not have been a fit. He played the perfect parts to fit the songs
Roth, I know, was hated by many, but Van Halen I think was a lot more exciting with David Lee Roth. He was a cartoonish wildman, and I found his vocals very interesting and different.
I don’t like him as a person, and I prefer the Hagar records, in the same way that I prefer Def Leppard to AC/DC (but like both bands). That said, Roth is not a weak link. While he has a more limited vocal range than some singers, he’s an amazing performer, and while I find his antics off-putting, it is entertaining.
@@TheRockinDonkey I just never heard anybody in rock that sounded similar to David Lee Roth or conveyed pure id as he did. Maybe it's out there somewhere and I just never heard it. The over-the-top wildness was I think an effective complement to Van Halen's quite structured music.
Agreed. I love his voice and he also wrote a lot of the songs. The author had a point that his singing was dreadful when performing live though. He was too busy putting on a visual show to care much about the singing part, so much that he'd miss his lines sometimes.
Ringo is a litmus test for me for rock musical knowledge, taste, and intelligence. If anyone knocks him as The Beatles’ drummer, I know I don’t need to hear a single syllable more of what they have to say in evaluation of rock music. As for his singing, he isn’t technically great at all, but I think his vocal tone is quite sonorous, and I enjoy it, even though the songs he sings for the band are usually their weakest.
I worked (as a producer) with a lot different drummers in London for many years, some were in bands, others were session drummers. I noticed an interesting hierarchy of opinions regarding Ringo's abilities. The lower tier of drummers, the guys in bands, tended to rate Ringo if they were Beatles fans, but to express poor opinions of him if they weren't. The mid-tier session drummers tended to disparage Ringo's abilities. This was pretty much universal amongst those guys. However, the absolute top tier of session guys (and that is a small elite band) were, to a man, in awe of Ringo.
@Steamer-ni9wv I must look up Bill Ward, believe it or not I noticed and admired the Blondie drummer (especially Heart of Glass and Rapture) but without knowing too much of their stuff. I just love drumming that's just right. Even yesterday I heard John Lennon's Woman on the radio and wondered if Ringo played on it (He didn't but it was in his style).
@Steamer-ni9wv It seems my education is only beginning! I've just listened to War Pigs, first time for me, and I wonder how I've missed that one for so many years. I suppose we only have one adolescence and that seems to be when tastes are set. Clem Burke next!
I saw Van Halen live around the time of the release of their second album. I thought then and think now that David Lee Roth was the undisputed star of the show.
Anyone calling Ringo's drumming "simplistic" really needs to step off at this point. There's nothing simplistic about tailoring distinctive, "not-what-you-would've-guessed" drum parts for every song, and every _segment_ (intro, verse, chorus, fills, outro...) on such a _wide range_ of songs, such that each one of them _rockets to the top of the charts,_ delighting multiple generations ever since. Maybe the fact that the drums complement the music and lyrics _so_ well, and are so "hand in glove" with them, it starts to make some people think it must've just been "obvious" or a "given", what needed to be played. _Not so!_ That's Ringo's genius: starting from _absolute scratch,_ yet making it seem like these melodies and rhythms were destined to be together since _eternity._ Cheers!
Anytime I hear someone discount Ringo's drumming, I automatically ignore their opinion. I've been a drummer since the mid-60s, and I can play Peart, Bruford, almost anything, but Ringo's genius is playing exactly what the music needs, and I can't duplicate that. I defy anyone to come up with better parts for any Beatles tune.
Roth was a great salesman, but one can hardly call him a musician. We know where the music came from in that band. It depends on if you're more interested in music or sales.
@@IusedtohaveausernameIliked lol no. Although I agree Roth is not the best singer a lot of You tube vocal coaches give him props. VH would not be the VH it became had Roth not been in there. They really had no Weak link
@@rothed16 Roth had no skill on any instrument, including singing, but he made up for that with a hell of a lot of swagger, jumps, and kicks. It depends on what you want out of your entertainment. There's no accounting for taste. EVH was worth listening to though.
Roth co wrote all those songs. The melodies were his, the lyrics were his and he sang his balls off on those first 6 records. Roth was a mighty force. No one has come close to touching those first six Van Halen albums and every band in the 80's tried.
in the end of the day, paul would have replaced every other band member before he replaced linda. Weak link or not a weak link she wasn't going anywhere.
Yes, technically Linda was the weak link in Wings, but they wouldn't have been Wings without her. Musician or not, she was instrumental to the Wings sound, and I'd argue influential to 70s pop overall. Linda's vocals fit perfectly into every song they released.
Ringo could play a groove, his feel and timing were infectious. He it was who made those early Beatles numbers so dance-able. A proper unpretentious groovy drummer.
Good take on Ringo. His sound was very important to the end result that was the Beatles' sound. He had some innovative riffs that worked so well for the group's feel. I've never thought of Ringo as one of the GREAT rock drummers (my hero was Bonham), but he was never meant to play Zeppelin just as much as Bonham was never meant to play Beatles. Ringo was perfect for what he worked in. There's no way Ringo was a weak link in one of the best bands in history. Not a chance.
@@sjames304 This is exactly at the heart of the issue. Ringo was exactly what the Beatles needed. Bonham was exactly what Led Zep needed. My favorite example of this is Phil Rudd from AC/DC. Technically competent, not a flashy drummer. But an absolute human metronome.
@kevinmichael9482 And people forget that the Beatles specifically targeted Ringo as the replacement drummer for the band. So they got exactly what they wanted from a drummer
That must have been very uncomfortable for all the other musicians when you have the bosses wife "forced" upon you to play along with. Think anybody ever corrected her (besides Paul)? If I were Denny Laine or Jimmy McCullah (sp) I would have starting looking for a new gig the day Paul said "Linda will be joining us"
@@kendallevans4079- Cooper is a solid vocalist, especially in the genre of Rock. He’s actually got quite a bit of range, which anyone who’s ever listened to all of his albums, and not just the hits, could tell you. He also hires top shelf musicians because you want the best backing the best. You need to be top shelf to play the variety of songs he was in his catalog, and not only do them well, but also do so while doing the theatrics.
Ringo is a competent drummer. But also his colleagues were no virtuous instrumentalists. They were probably the best writers ever and he was not, but that’s a totally different matter. He was absolutely on par with his other band members as far as technical proficiency.
My god I fucking hate the Beatles with the passion of a thousand burning suns being butt fucked by satan!!!! They were all shit and stole from black artists via chuck berry at the beginning and Arthur Love and jimi by the end. Excellent magpies but bloody ordinary musicians who got real lucky
I hate it when people bash Ringo. He was empathetic to the songs not just bashing away he knew the value of space and accents he was the best drummer for the Beatles.
Thanks for standing up for Ringo and Nick Mason! I love both of their drumming! Also, I saw the David Lee Roth "Eat 'em and Smile" Tour and that was one of the most spot on LIVE shows ever! Roth, Vai, Sheehan & Bisonette all nailed it!
There is no more musical drummer than Ringo Star. He and Charlie Watts were not about showboating and flash. They were all about music. I appreciate your rebuttal here. Honestly, Amber Ward's list says more about her than her than anything else. With people like those you mentioned being included on her list I'm left wondering how in the world she defines "weakest link" and why anyone would even bother building such a list. Its all just rubbish.
_There is no more musical drummer than Ringo Starr_. Phil Collins was at least equally musical, Jeff Porcaro too, but I agree Ringo should be defended against being called a weak link.
Anyone that refers to Ringo Starr has a weak link is completely clueless. John, Paul and George have all said that Ringo was the missing piece of the band. He brought a lot to the band in his own way
Yes, but in response to the question, 'Do you think Ringo is the best drummer in the world?', John is reported to have said: 'Ringo? He isn't even the best drummer in The Beatles'. Probably apocryphal, though.
Not sure if I’d say the best but definitely top 5 in my opinion. He made drum parts that fit perfectly in the songs. He was extremely good at keeping tempo as well. As far as John’s comment, I believe it was just a joke. The Beatles always made remarks similar to that to the press
@@calebcaldwell1713 "Not sure if I’d say the best but definitely top 5 in my opinion. " Maybe you should listen to more than 5 bands. "He was extremely good at keeping tempo as well." He can't even play sloppy at speeds that would warrant saying extremely good at keeping tempo.
@@mmestari I listen to more than 5 bands just giving credit where credit is due. There’s a reason Ringo is seen as a great drummer. He didn’t have to be flashy to be considered great. I don’t think there’s a drummer that has had more influence than Ringo has
@@calebcaldwell1713 " I listen to more than 5 bands just giving credit where credit is due." Nah, you are just disrespecting actually good drummers. Go listen Pete Sandoval play Mozart's 25th Symphony, that's actually excellent drumming. Then listen to Helter Skelter, which according Ringo himself is at the zenith of his technical ability. Then you should realize that, realistically Ringo doesn't even make the top 10000 best drummers of the world. " I don’t think there’s a drummer that has had more influence than Ringo has" Who has Ringo influenced? Merseybeat is deader than disco. I can name more bands that Anthony Axon has influenced than you can name bands.
To a great many people, DLR is THE vocalist for Van Halen. I’ve got nothing against Sammy Hagar but he’s no DLR. He was a charismatic juggernaut. Sure, you can dock points for onstage antics, but that doesn’t overshadow the appeal that he brought to their biggest hits. To say that makes him their weak link would be the same as saying that Axl Rose is the weak link of Guns N’ Roses. That dude was a nightmare to deal with, but his performance made up for it.
Mike love Loves Mike Love ..... I always remember that really old beach boys concert, grainy, black and white... and for some reason Mike kept trying to distract Dennis, RIP, whilst he was singing his solos etc, moving his mic away from him and up and down, covering his eyes, Dennis of course soldiered on and was graceful as ever.
Well they tried to rip Mike love off ,so yeah ...funny, mike was the only one trying to keep it all together, while the wilsons were drugging and boozing and tripping hard
@@polydactylstrangle Can't stand Mike Love. He wasn't needed. He stood there on stage like a superfluous nobody. He wasn't and probably still isn't a nice guy. Loved Dennis' voice and Carl's voice. Love, I could have lived without.
McCartney probably had good incentive to put Linda in the band and on stage. It informed all the female fans that Mrs McCartney would be backstage with Mr McCartney after the show was over. Good way to safeguard your marriage.
Sorry but if you have a husband or wife you can't trust, then you don't have a marriage. He should be able to go away to WORK and not cheat on his wife.
Sabbath with Ozzy is by far the best Sabbath. His style vocals were perfect for what the band was doing, not to mention his energy which he still has today despite his current health issues. Ozzy is rock always will be , I miss him already.
Nick Mason? No way. PF was a product of the 4 members....their work apart from the classic lineup proves that. Waters was reluctant (to say the least) to give credit to others, especially Mason and Wright. I believe NM's contributions to the band were far more than what's shown in the credits. I've also read quite a bit about Pink Floyd and I believe the intangibles that Mason brought to the band personality-wise were invaluable.
Yes, and to lump Pink Floyd in with the "technical" progressive rock bands such as Yes is wrong. I don't think the others were itching to explore odd time signatures or more complex songs. That's not what they were about, but it seems to be a common misconception to label them as a "prog" rock band because of the era in which they became famous.
@errollzastre7380 they are definitely art rock leaning prog. There's just too much blues in their music to fully consider them prog, not that that's a bad thing. Their approach to progressive music is probably the only way to keep the prog scene alive today, however. In that I mean simpler guitar riffs and less obtuse concepts while still going with huge songs inspired by classical and jazz music and dramatic themes. I feel prog today is just being weird for the sake of it.
because a part in a mechanism is simple does not mean that it does fulfill its part in the ensemble...replace that part by another supposedly more complex or refined and the ensemble might not work as well. Successful bands have no weak links because all the different parts define their sound...that is why they are successful. Meg white is a very limited drummer, but it would not be the white stripes without her.
Also, sometimes a less technical, less gifted member can work as a glue keeping the band together with their humor or relaxed approach - or work as a Link between the technical, cold band and the excited audience. So a member might be crucial for the band chemistry even when not being musically brilliant or writing songs for them.
Adam Clayton had some wonderful bass lines on the early albums. He (like the rest of U2) have been phoning it in for years. Kenny Jones doesn't get a fair wrap, nobody on planet earth could have followed Moon, he was totally unique. Agree with Sid Vicious who was a clothes horse, he was a dickhead who blinded a girl in one eye with a pint glass even without the Nancy Spungen incident, I really don't see why he is a cultural icon. Diamond Dave was an integral part of Van Halen and nuts, he wasn't a weak link
In Kenney Jones the Who finally acquired a drummer capable of performing a drummer's basic duty which is reliable timekeeping. Only after you've mastered this there is room for ornamentation.
The only part I'd disagree with you on is U2 collectively phoning it in. It pains and I can not stress enough pains me to say that The Edge and Bono definitely are. Adam's an interesting case to say the least. But I heard someone describe U2 in the best way possible in a speech at an event. The band doesn't call themselves U2 internally. They call it the Larry Mullin JR. band. Because that guy has held them together through hell and high water. Where I think the others may have checked out to some extent Larry is still going at those drums today like they owe him money
@@TheBlindAndTheBeautiful Hopefully, Larry will recover and play with them again. He had to miss the entire residency at The Sphere, though he attended the penultimate show.
I agree with David Lee Roth. Charisma and stage presence for days, but couldn’t reproduce the vocals on the albums in a live setting if his life depended on it. I totally understand that fans were upset that Sammy Hagar took his place, but the simple fact remains that Sammy could do it 100%, night after night, and Roth could not.
@@petercena9497 That's not totally fair. Dave had two strong albums post VH (three if you count the EP when he wasn't "officially" gone yet), But, yeah, after that, he dropped off a cliff.
As a drummer, myself i love Ringo (my favorite drummer of all time) and Nick Mason and Kenney Jones, because they are not flash show boaty drummers, critics tend to knock them. I dont get it and never will. I'm grateful for an intelligent opinion like yours Barry, a true music lover, not like the person who wrote this list
The "Edge's" one-note solos are legendary (how he makes those best guitarists list, baffles me). No weak links in the Beatles. Roth isn't a good singer but was a good front man. BTW - who is Amber Ward and how many albums has she sold?
He makes those lists because being a great rock guitarist isn't all about showy pyrotechnics, it's about being distinctive. And Edge is arguably the most distinctive guitarist of his generation.
The Edge had a distinctive style and sound - playing triads high up on the neck instead of conventional chords. He isn't really a lead player who played many solos. There's a lot of guitarists who make those lists mainly on band success and name recognition. I respect him for sure but he shouldn't be anywhere near the top of any list.
For the detractors, Nick Mason on Live at Pompei is off the scale. There's the wonderful section where he's really motoring. For all those in doubt. Check it out!
Especially during "One Of These Days" when Nick drops his drumstick and gets back into the song without skipping a beat. Also, the way the drums synergize with ricks organ is so tasteful.
When I saw the thumbnail and noticed that Ringo and Nick Mason were included I wasnt going to bother watching this vid. It was only when I saw it was a Classic Album Review production I changed my mind. But I have to say that the whole premise of weak links in great bands to be ludicrous. However it does generate discussion I suppose.
I've always thought that Ozzy was one of the best vocalists in all of heavy metal history. You had a beautiful high-pitched voice and I think I've never noticed any problems with it. I don't even understand people saying he had problems with range because I don't think he did. That band was blessed with one great singer after another.
If we’re talking about all around music ability than yes Mason would be at bottom but if we are talking about playing their specific instrument It’s waters
I don’t think Adam Clayton belongs on here. He may not be technical like Geddy Lee or, Billie Sheehan, but listen to any of the first four or five U2 albums. His bass lines are awesome and on a lot of songs are the hooks. Ozzy Osbourne is one that definitely belongs on here. He couldn’t sing his way out of a wet paper bag on his best day. It really is amazing someone with so little talent becomes a God in the metal world. there’s a video here on TH-cam somewhere of an opera singer doing blind reactions to metal singers and when they played Bruce Dickinson she couldn’t get over how good he was, then they played Ozzie and she said something like “is this a joke”?
I used to think Ringo wasn't that good, but then I read a piece by Kenny Aronoff about doing a transcription/run-through of The Beatles' "Rain." He was gushing nonstop about how no part of the drum part ever repeated and how it was basically a 3-minute drum solo with a song dropped on top of it. After that, I began to pick up how good he really was.
Van Halen wasn’t V H without Roth I probably would agree slightly as a singer but he fit what they did he also was the one that did a lot of the work on their videos and came up with a lot of ideas for those
@@danjack-son4871 I worked at a video store and we use to smoke weed during our break and would always play live at Pompeii at the video store while we worked
David Lee Roth always came over as a hugely disingenuous and insincere person to me, someone who was only in it for the money, fame and particularly the girls. On second thoughts though, perhaps he wasn’t insincere about it and was actually pretty open regarding his priorities, but it still makes me think less of VH because of it
In my humble opinion Ringo is one of the most important drummers in pop/rock history. Inventive and an inspiration for thousands of drummers around the world.
Robert Plant on his podcast actually referred to himself as the weak link in Led Zeppelin which is almost impossible to imagine. The same band and singer that influenced groups like Rush and literally hundreds of others.
Plant didn’t take care of that wonderful voice of his. By 1973, most of his register was already shot. He cracked and squeaked his way through many Zep tours. Thankfully, his bandmates were so good that no one cared that much. He took half the show to warm up his vocals because he simply wouldn’t do it BEFORE the show. By the way, I’m a mega Zep fan. But facts are facts. Really wish he would have bothered to care for his throat.
@@MJEvermore853 --Plant absolutely did have did have vocal chord surgery to have nodules removed around 1973 or '74. He sounded distinctly different on Presense in '76 (which was recorded in '75). But he thrashed his voice too much in the early years and the damage was done..
@@robertwheatley2471 … yep. I had forgotten to mention that surgery. I had always thought the surgery was earlier, before the Houses album, because of how different I thought his voice sounded on that album, but I was wrong. The surgery was a little later on during the time that you had stated above.
If I was to give them all marks out of 100 I would award 100 to John Paul Jones and John Bonham, 99 to Page and 98 to Plant. So yes he was the weak link!
Let's talk about Linda. To find what she added you only need to see and hear what was lost when she passed. I, for one, miss her voice in the mix. She helped Paul through tough times, made it possible for him to collect double songwriting royalties, stopped his being killed in Legos, wrote and sang "Seaside Woman", and wrote the reggea section of "Live and Let Die". Also she was a fantastic photographer. THIS is everything I realized after the fact and now feel regret that I/we underappreciated her.
As a drummer of over 30 years, I would never construe Kenney Jones as the weak link in any band. Kenney played with a clean technique that was much different than that of Keith Moon. Kenney played what the songs demanded and didn't compromise his style which I respect and the songs he performed on "You Better You Bet," "Eminence Front" are still legendary and enjoyable today! It seems like Daltrey was grieving Moon's death and that may have clouded his judgment on Jones' drumming.
I don't get her dislike for Adam Clayton. In the early days he was U2's "secret weapon" - playing the melody line on his very audible bass while the Edge did some guitar noodling on top. This was a very innovative arrangement at the time and spawned many imitators. He was also the band's voice of sanity - among other things, he was the only one who didn't join a religious cult.
The success of and musicianship on Ozzy’s solo works in the 1980’s debunks the notion that he was holding back Black Sabbath from achieving more while he was fronting them.
That's because Ozzy or I should say Sharon organized all of those talented musicians to compose music and lyrics while contractually requiring the giving of writing credits to Ozzy to make him look legit. You can thank Bob Daisley for all of the iconic songs from Ozzy's solo career in the 80's.
Generally agree with your assessor. And yes enough with ringo bashing. He wasnt brought in as a singer… the boys just wanted to include him that way. But it was his creative drumming .. we know Pete couldn’t do it.
Black Sabbath isn't Sabbath without Ozzy. His vocals made the band what it originally was. When Dio took over they became more of an Iron Maiden type band, not Black Sabbath.
Ringo????.....Listen to "Rain" "In My Life" "Ticket to Ride" "Come Together"......His drum parts are iconic not to mention ground breaking and he was the reason I got into drumming
Ringo had an unique drumming style that came from using a right-handed drum kit while Ringo was left-handed. That extra space in time from moving his dominant hand to drum out a fill was ear candy to me and impossible for right-handed drummers to copy. He was responsible for the Beatle's overall different sound.
It had nothing to do with space in time from moving across the kit, it was that the fills started with the left hand which was difficult for us right handers to copy. You obviously don’t play drums, so maybe you should just speak not what you know not of.
Agree with your take on all of those Barry. Nick Mason's behind the beat percussive style was perfect for Floyd. Kenney Jones is best heard on those Small Faces classics - great drummer. One of my favourite Ringo performances was on Rain. Ozzy couldn't sing a note but he was Ozzy. I can't think of anybody else who got by purely on their character and presence. Thanks as usual.
There would have been one major flaw with any technically proficient drummer who would have been in Ringo's place on The Beatles. And that simply is --- that they would not have been _Ringo._ True Beatle fans know what I mean.
Linda McCartney was onstage for the right reasons. And imagine the pressures she endured beng married to a Beatle and having to wither the flak of criticism fired at her for being a beginner player in Wings - all while raising a family. She was a brave woman and deserves everyone's respect. Nick Mason, like Ringo, was perfect for his band. It is no coincidence that post-Floyd Gilmour and Waters have both enlisted players with simple, straightforward approaches reminiscent of Mason. I found it interesting that Roger Daltry didn't like Kenney Jones's drumming but Pete Townshend did. Fact is they were both listening in different ways. Townshend is on record saying he hated Keith Moon's playing because it mean that he (Pete) couldn't play guitar the way he wanted - he had to compensate for Moon's deficiencies (I believe John Entwistle felt the same about his bass playing role). Daltry, however, seemed to like Moon's bombast and the placement of his accents, all of which heightened Dalry's performance. Yes, Moon was a uniquely critical element for the Who's sound and a big inspiration for other drummers. But in real terms he was not a great player by any means. (Worth noting that for some time Jimi Hendrix did not like Mitch Mitchell's drumming. Mitch's previous boss, Georgie Fame, also had issues with it, particulary the amount of cymbals in the sound. He told Mitch, 'Just play the hi-hat'. Others thought Mitch wasn't heavy enough for Jimi. And Little Feat's Bill Payne wasn't crazy about Richie Hayward's drumming...yet Richie is revered by everyone from Steve Gadd to Simon Kirke. True, David Lee Roth was a horrid singer. But a fun frontman. Van Halen was a band that didn't take itself as seriously as its audience did. In which case the audience was the weak point - they didn't get the joke. Adam Clayton is excellent for U2. That isn't a band of 'players'. It's a band of friends making music. Like the Beatles and Stones. Anyone wanting great players should stop listening to rock music, because generally speaking the truly great musicians don't play rock. As for Sid Vicious, he had to be pretty bad to be too bad for the Sex Pistols.
Ringo was perfect, i bet if you get ten studio drummers of high quality who somehow have never heard Beatles and removed Ringo and told them to add a drum track, they would all be in time and very good, but none would surpass or even equal what Ringo played---
Nick Mason absolutely was not a weak link in Pink Floyd. His sense of timing was impeccable. Listen to something as simple as his high-hat strokes in A Saucerful of Secrets, and you'll know what I mean. Never mind about Sid Vicious being a weak link in The Sex Pistols. The whole band was a weak link. They never intended to make music, only to sneer at the concept of talent.
I think there are decent calls for all of these band members not being the weak links but particularly Liam Gallagher, Nick Mason and Ringo Star who were pivotal to their respective bands. Was it a slow music day for this particular journalist?
No just you everyday S-L-O-W M-I-N-D-E-D journalist pretender who probably has less musical talent then my toe-nail clippings. BTW I can't play instruments can't sing and can't dance either .Just being honest about me unlike the person who wrote the column and doesn't know ANYTHING about music.
now sure but the early albums were brilliant, who could foretell that Bono would become Klaus Schwabs obedient lapdog and Joe Bidens wet nurse, even Lucifer didn't fall that far from grace and he was fictional , then again so is Bono these days
Good on you for defending Ringo. Zero flash, no unnecessary fills, no showing off at all. He played with taste, and his playing always served the song.
A solid supporting musician who only plays what is necessary to serve the song is a huge asset rather than a weak link.
Someone has to keep the beat.
@@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747 True but a lot of these musicians like Ringo / Nick Mason also had a style and feel that was very creative.
@@craigbroadfoot1851 Very true. Anyone calling them a weak link better be more talented than the so-called weak links.
Well said.
Bingo.
Ringo.
Those who see Ringo as a weak link have never played in a band, nor do they understand how bands work. Ringo's taste, feel and understanding of songs and music are extremely valuable assets.
Ringo's only fault is he was in a band with two musical geniuses and one other excellent musician. So he's going to always appear as less talented in comparison, but I wouldn't put him as a weak link. To me weak link is someone that pulls your team down, holds them back, causes them to lose, etc. The Beatles were definitely not held back by Ringo.
Ringo was the glue that held everything together.
The Beatles without Ringo is like cornflakes without the milk!
I'm not even a fan of The Beatles but Ringo is a good drummer.
Ringo created catchy drum parts. Come Together, Something and A Day in the Life
Ticket to Ride, Here Comes The Sun, I Feel Fine...
Strawberry Fields Forever, Blue Jay Way, Rain....
Ringo being on this list is particularly outrageous to me.
I agree
Ridiculous
Lennon on guitar? Harrison's leads? We can argue. Ringo's drumming is iconic
Lennon and Harrison were obviously not weak links though.@@SpenCoTroic
Ringo was probably top 3 greatest drummers in the world at the time….fact is he’s still mentioned after 60 years stupid list
Nick Mason on that Pompeii film was a beast. Echoes is one of my favourites, and Nick Mason and Roger Waters in that middle groove are sublime.
Absolutely. I always loved that bit of music. The groove is astonishingly right.
THIS!!!!
And when he played A Saucerful of Secrets on that show.
His coolest fill is One Of These Days where his stick goes flying and he doesn't drop a beat whilst grabbing another stick and doing a bit of showmanship. Class 👌
Nick mason was tearing up one of these days live in pompeii
Nick Mason is the only member of Pink Floyd to have played on all their albums, and is the longest serving member of the band.
I agree, it is horse shit to call him a weal link
He actually plays in a Pink Floyd tribute band, which is a pretty interesting way for a legacy band member to honestly represent themselves in their late career years.
his drumming tho is very bland
He's also a helicopter pilot. Check out the clip with him on "Top Gear".
@@cl5619it’s not really a tribute band
The Beatles Had NO weak link- that’s why they’re the Beatles.
Engage in idolatry much?
The Beatles had a weak link, Pete Best.
@sciwiz To be honest, the Drummer was their best musician, not their worst, however George Martin, nicknamed the fifth Beatle was the star of this group of very ordinary pop musicians, and an excellent choice that they did not play live, however I watched the one-off recording on the roof top, apart from Billy Preston they were dreadful for the short time they actually 'played'
Their weak link is PAUL MCCARTNEY. Because he has no concept of what BAND means. Harrison, Lennon and Starr DID understand what band means.
@@pmoran7971 "Very ordinary" and "dreadful". Are you serious?
I just read her list. Neal Schon from Journey was their weakest link? Jim Morrison from the Doors? Paul Simonon from The Clash? OMG. She must be sniffing glue.
Perry was their weakest link. Dreadful sappy voice.
@@МаксРогозин-е1ю I have to kind of agree and disagree with that.. Band was at it's finest when they had the vocals of both Gregg Rollie and Steve Perry,
None of those bands make it without those three.
What??! Jim Morrison the weak link? Next she'll be saying Ian Anderson was the weak link in Jethro Tull!
@clairehelmsley6608 Those two albums that the Doors recorded without Jim were so successful that she's never even heard of them. But what do I know? She's the professional. Perhaps she could write a follow-up article explaining why "Strange Days" is inferior to "Other Voices."
Then there's Motley Crue with 3 weak links
...and Queen with 4 weak links 😁
Motley Crue is now a trio?
Four
Ringo was the perfect drummer for the Beatles. AND Ringo had style
And he was the second best drummer in the Beatles.
@@sludge8506 Nope.
Funny enuff but if ANY other drummer had played " just the basics " on a Beatles record, it would have sounded like shite.
Ringo knows WHAT to play, and WHEN.
He's always right there in the groove@@HeelSection3825 .
Playing circles around Ringo doesn't make any sense.
It's like saying Steve Vai could play circles around André Segovia
Not True
@@allanalogmusicat78rpmhe was though
In an interview with David Gilmour, a question came up in regards to Nick Mason’s drumming. David said that you can have the greatest drummer in the world play Comfortably Numb and it would sound great-but it wouldn’t sound quite right.
Fuckin right, 'cause great feel is something that can't be taught as easily as chops.
When people say best or greatest I always that the drummer was the best drummer for that band. I love Neal Peart but I couldn’t be in a band with him because I don’t play guitar at that level.
Kind of a backhanded compliment from Gilmour though, in' it? Implying that Nick was _not_ the greatest drummer in the world.
@@djtrendsetta5766 yeah, I get what you mean. In my opinion, I think he was acknowledging the fact that Mason was an integral part of Floyd’s sound and that was more important to the band and its music than technical ability. Just my opinion though.
@@djtrendsetta5766you would be more upset if he had said that Nick was the greatest drummer. It would also sound wrong. Most drummers are not the greatest.
To call Ozzy the weak link is like calling the heart a residual organ.
Correct! This guys is a complete joke! The 4 original members of Sabbath all contributed equally to that unique sound.
Exactly. Ozzy Osbourne COMPOSED just like everyone else in the band. He is their melodist. He's the damn reason you know what to sing. Geezer is their main lyricist, Ozzy is their melodist. They're a team. Just like any other writing partnership that had one person doing this, the other doing that. Like Elton John & Bernie Taupin. Or Chris Difford & Glenn Tilbrook. Geezer wrote most of what gets said. Ozzy wrote what notes each word has. So you know what the hell to sing. @@stephencook4694
@@stephencook4694 They were a super group before that term existed! Fairies Wear Boots is a prime example. Awesome riff, amazing vocals, busting bassline and drum fills that inspired Metal!
I've been Michael Hutchings, and that's why Black Sabbath are the pioneers of The Darkness!
@@stephencook4694 spot on...Bill Ward...one of my favourite and biggest influences on the drums... nothing weak about the original four
Ozzy never wrote a piece of music or lyric. By definition he was the weak link.
How did Yoko Ono not make the list?
Agree. She even made Chuck Berry wince with her "singing".
What great band was she in?
@@shaynewest8757 She was an "official member" of the Beatles. As per John.
You just don't understand her genius.
@@dexterjankaren She certainly has a genius for making gullible people believe in her talent.
The idea that anyone who purports to know anything about music would describe Nick Mason as a weak link is astonishing. That sort of calls into question Amber Ward's judgement on everything else on her list.
Yes, re Nick Mason. Many Floyd songs are at quarter note = 60, which, if you've ever played the drums, takes an incredible amount of skill and discipline to maintain. Nick Mason was an absolute master of slow tempo drumming and had a great feel. Also it's worth noting that Money is indeed a song that goes between 7/4 and 6/8, all again with slower tempi, thus calling for a great deal of discipline.
@@canalesworks1247Listening to the non-remastered version of Momentary Lapse drives home how important Nick's contribution was, and had always been, to Pink Floyd's sound and vibe.
Yes, interestingly that post Pink Floyd both David Gilmour and Rogers Waters have enlisted drummers who playing within Mason's concept of straight-up, simple and spacious.
True, Mason is no Carl Palmer. But then imagine what Pink Floyd would have sounded were Carl Palmer on the drums....
@@MrCherryJuice Now see, despite Carl Palmer being a technically brilliant drummer I can't imagine that working well. There's a matter of feel.
100%. I have never heard of Amber Ward but straight away that undermines any kind of credibility that she might have otherwise had. The list is pretty poor overall.
Denny Laine was a pivotal member of Wings. Paul’s burst of solo creativity success was greatly aided by Denny Laine.
If I've learned one thing from playing in crappy pub bands, it's that familiarity is everything. You may have a group of people that individually aren't that great, but if they know each other well and understand each other's playing, they can do some amazing things. That's really what rock music is all about.
Beautifully said, I agree 100% 🎸
I, too, wholeheartedly agree.👍
Unless your in a band like I was...where the drummer thinks he's king shit..not bad drummer. Thought he could sing! Sounded like shit
Yep ✅
Ditto@
It's not just Michael Anthony's bass playing that made him unique, it was his backup vocal harmonies with Roth in their heyday years.
I always have to laugh when I see live recordings of Van Halen when Roth was with them. Eddie and Michael are spot on with their harmonies and Dave is lost in the weeds half the time.😂 Alex was no slouch on drums either.
They should have booted Roth before the first album or never allowed him in at all. They should have either found a singer who could actually sing and write songs, or given the lead singer duties to Michael Anthony. I have no doubt he would have done a fine job with that responsibility. Roth was not a good front man either. He was a clown. I agree with the commenter below: in live performances, Alex, Eddie and Mike are spot on with their responsibilities. Roth is wandering around being a complete @ss.
Wrong. Roth has great charisma and whitty lyrics, they wouldn’t have made it without him. He also had a great look.
@@ziggypop79 I agree. He was also very influential in getting them gigs. He’s very articulate and respectful when it comes to business. His lyrics and style fit the band perfectly although it’s true really couldn’t sing because he didn’t breathe properly. I never noticed until I read an article about the band fifteen years where Alex he had to punch in a lot of vocal parts because he’d run out of breath. I always liked Dave but I knew people that couldn’t listen to Van Halen because of Dave.
@@runnerandgunner7954 I couldn't disagree with this statement more. Are you actually Sammy Hagar?
DLR was one of the greatest front men of all time, great or shall I say, perfect on the albums and put on a very entertaining show!
Absolutely agree 👍
Ringo Starr = Brilliant and musically tasteful. He swings and was perfect for the most influential rock band in history
He was a professional drummer when the others were still learning to play. And he was their indisputable choice when they started making records.
He was the ONLY drummer that would have made the Beatles what they are. Anyone else would not have been a fit. He played the perfect parts to fit the songs
And Ringo was the second best drummer in the Beatles.
@@sludge8506 Parroting Jasper Carrott?
Ringo was a better actor than a drummer..he sucked as an actor
Roth, I know, was hated by many, but Van Halen I think was a lot more exciting with David Lee Roth. He was a cartoonish wildman, and I found his vocals very interesting and different.
I met him several times in the early days and found him personable.
I don’t like him as a person, and I prefer the Hagar records, in the same way that I prefer Def Leppard to AC/DC (but like both bands). That said, Roth is not a weak link. While he has a more limited vocal range than some singers, he’s an amazing performer, and while I find his antics off-putting, it is entertaining.
@@TheRockinDonkey I just never heard anybody in rock that sounded similar to David Lee Roth or conveyed pure id as he did. Maybe it's out there somewhere and I just never heard it. The over-the-top wildness was I think an effective complement to Van Halen's quite structured music.
Agreed. I love his voice and he also wrote a lot of the songs. The author had a point that his singing was dreadful when performing live though. He was too busy putting on a visual show to care much about the singing part, so much that he'd miss his lines sometimes.
Both front men were fantastic! Roth had a distinct voice, Hagar was actually a better singer.
I'm 50/50. Not 5150.
Van Halen (1.0) would have never made it big without David Lee Roth on vocals.
no point crying over spilt milk, what is done is done 😄
Ringo is a litmus test for me for rock musical knowledge, taste, and intelligence. If anyone knocks him as The Beatles’ drummer, I know I don’t need to hear a single syllable more of what they have to say in evaluation of rock music. As for his singing, he isn’t technically great at all, but I think his vocal tone is quite sonorous, and I enjoy it, even though the songs he sings for the band are usually their weakest.
Agreed. I can tell a try-hard from a mile away by how much they crap on Ringo.
A little help from my friends is one of their most enduring songs. No one else could’ve sung that but ringo.
Regardless of technical singing talent, the songs where Ringo sings are just a blast to listen to
I actually find the Ringo tunes to be the most fun from them :D
Spot on. I very much agree.
I worked (as a producer) with a lot different drummers in London for many years, some were in bands, others were session drummers.
I noticed an interesting hierarchy of opinions regarding Ringo's abilities.
The lower tier of drummers, the guys in bands, tended to rate Ringo if they were Beatles fans, but to express poor opinions of him if they weren't. The mid-tier session drummers tended to disparage Ringo's abilities. This was pretty much universal amongst those guys.
However, the absolute top tier of session guys (and that is a small elite band) were, to a man, in awe of Ringo.
Because if you follow the path of enlightenment you reach the end of Peart.
@Steamer-ni9wv I must look up Bill Ward, believe it or not I noticed and admired the Blondie drummer (especially Heart of Glass and Rapture) but without knowing too much of their stuff. I just love drumming that's just right. Even yesterday I heard John Lennon's Woman on the radio and wondered if Ringo played on it (He didn't but it was in his style).
@Steamer-ni9wv It seems my education is only beginning! I've just listened to War Pigs, first time for me, and I wonder how I've missed that one for so many years. I suppose we only have one adolescence and that seems to be when tastes are set. Clem Burke next!
@Steamer-ni9wv Not so much in real life, I need to work on it.
I saw Van Halen live around the time of the release of their second album. I thought then and think now that David Lee Roth was the undisputed star of the show.
I'm sure Nick Mason is crying in his Ferrari, right now. 😂
Which one?
@@slidetek that's why he's crying... The agony of choice. 😂
my thoughts exactly
To knock Mason is highly absurd. Ignorant.
@@boulevardblueband 👍
Anyone calling Ringo's drumming "simplistic" really needs to step off at this point. There's nothing simplistic about tailoring distinctive, "not-what-you-would've-guessed" drum parts for every song, and every _segment_ (intro, verse, chorus, fills, outro...) on such a _wide range_ of songs, such that each one of them _rockets to the top of the charts,_ delighting multiple generations ever since. Maybe the fact that the drums complement the music and lyrics _so_ well, and are so "hand in glove" with them, it starts to make some people think it must've just been "obvious" or a "given", what needed to be played. _Not so!_ That's Ringo's genius: starting from _absolute scratch,_ yet making it seem like these melodies and rhythms were destined to be together since _eternity._ Cheers!
Very well put. I totally agree!
Well said!
Just one of the words to describe Ringo's drumming would be "unorthodox." Also, 100% original...
One of the filthiest shufflers to hold the sticks!!
The way I look at it.... would any of those Beatles songs sound better with a Bonham.. Moon... Mitchell.. Baker playing on them??NO!!
Anytime I hear someone discount Ringo's drumming, I automatically ignore their opinion. I've been a drummer since the mid-60s, and I can play Peart, Bruford, almost anything, but Ringo's genius is playing exactly what the music needs, and I can't duplicate that. I defy anyone to come up with better parts for any Beatles tune.
Insane that Ozzy and Roth were on this list. They were both perfect leads for the bands they were involved in.
Roth was a great salesman, but one can hardly call him a musician. We know where the music came from in that band. It depends on if you're more interested in music or sales.
@@IusedtohaveausernameIliked lol no. Although I agree Roth is not the best singer a lot of You tube vocal coaches give him props. VH would not be the VH it became had Roth not been in there. They really had no Weak link
@@rothed16 Roth had no skill on any instrument, including singing, but he made up for that with a hell of a lot of swagger, jumps, and kicks. It depends on what you want out of your entertainment. There's no accounting for taste. EVH was worth listening to though.
Roth co wrote all those songs. The melodies were his, the lyrics were his and he sang his balls off on those first 6 records. Roth was a mighty force. No one has come close to touching those first six Van Halen albums and every band in the 80's tried.
@@arloroan3168 If that were true he would have had a great solo career writing original songs after VH. Not.
The problem with making a list like this is that a weak link in a " great " band is often still really good, relatively speaking.
He didn’t say they weren’t unsurprisingly
Diamond Dave and Eddie Van Halen were together more than the sum of their parts …Great guitarist and classic frontman, no one sounded like they did..
Re: Linda McCartney in Wings. Denny Laine said, after the band had broken up, "Having a beginner in the band didn't work for me". Succinct.
in the end of the day, paul would have replaced every other band member before he replaced linda. Weak link or not a weak link she wasn't going anywhere.
Yes, technically Linda was the weak link in Wings, but they wouldn't have been Wings without her. Musician or not, she was instrumental to the Wings sound, and I'd argue influential to 70s pop overall. Linda's vocals fit perfectly into every song they released.
Denny Laine, the musician who rode the coattails of the band he left, into the R&RHoF.
Linda had a nice voice. I love her backing vocals on "Medicine Jar"
I agree that Linda was weak musically. Voice was not overly impressive but mccartneys talent could make a band of chimpazees successful
Ringo could play a groove, his feel and timing were infectious. He it was who made those early Beatles numbers so dance-able. A proper unpretentious groovy drummer.
Good take on Ringo. His sound was very important to the end result that was the Beatles' sound. He had some innovative riffs that worked so well for the group's feel. I've never thought of Ringo as one of the GREAT rock drummers (my hero was Bonham), but he was never meant to play Zeppelin just as much as Bonham was never meant to play Beatles. Ringo was perfect for what he worked in. There's no way Ringo was a weak link in one of the best bands in history. Not a chance.
@@sjames304 This is exactly at the heart of the issue. Ringo was exactly what the Beatles needed. Bonham was exactly what Led Zep needed. My favorite example of this is Phil Rudd from AC/DC. Technically competent, not a flashy drummer. But an absolute human metronome.
@kevinmichael9482 And people forget that the Beatles specifically targeted Ringo as the replacement drummer for the band. So they got exactly what they wanted from a drummer
And you couldn't knock him off the beat with a bulldozer! His timekeeping is IMPECCABLE.
@@glennhecker4422 That's very true!!!
Even though she was the weakest link, Linda added keyboards and backing vocals to some of the most iconic Wings songs.
That must have been very uncomfortable for all the other musicians when you have the bosses wife "forced" upon you to play along with. Think anybody ever corrected her (besides Paul)? If I were Denny Laine or Jimmy McCullah (sp) I would have starting looking for a new gig the day Paul said "Linda will be joining us"
But were Linda's keyboards actually plugged in?
@@jimmilne882 Doubt it. Dennis Wilson's drum kit wasn't "miked" in the later stages of his alcoholism. He was "joined" by a another drummer who's was.
@@jimmilne882 It would be impossible to know for sure.
Saying Ozzy is the weakest link in Black Sabbath, is like saying Alice Cooper is the weakest link in Alice Cooper.
Which is 100% true! Alice hires top shelf musicians but he is no vocalist by any means. It's all theatrics
Tony Iommi is the most important Sabster by any measure
@@kendallevans4079- Cooper is a solid vocalist, especially in the genre of Rock. He’s actually got quite a bit of range, which anyone who’s ever listened to all of his albums, and not just the hits, could tell you. He also hires top shelf musicians because you want the best backing the best. You need to be top shelf to play the variety of songs he was in his catalog, and not only do them well, but also do so while doing the theatrics.
I feel your pain in mentioning Ringo on this list. The more I relisten to the Beatles, the more I realize…no Ringo = no Beatles.
Imagine your weak link is ringo though. Now that’s a massive compliment to the others.
Are you HIGH?
I wouldn't go that far but they knew what they were doing when they sent Pete Best back to the bakery.
@clairehelmsley6608
They certainly did.
Ringo is a competent drummer. But also his colleagues were no virtuous instrumentalists. They were probably the best writers ever and he was not, but that’s a totally different matter.
He was absolutely on par with his other band members as far as technical proficiency.
Ringo didn't song-write as well as his bandmates... who were Paul McCartney, John Lennon, and George Harrison. So I think he can get a pass for that
Wrong, he wrote their biggest song. Yellow submarine is the only song that a 3 yr old and 90 yr old both know. Therefore the most popular beatle song
@@petergrantlloyd6754 I love Ringo a lot, but he didn't write that
@@petergrantlloyd6754Yellow Submarine was written by Lennon and McCartney - Ringo just sang on it.
Exactly. It's like who was the weakest link of the '71 Orioles Starting Pitchers?
My god I fucking hate the Beatles with the passion of a thousand burning suns being butt fucked by satan!!!! They were all shit and stole from black artists via chuck berry at the beginning and Arthur Love and jimi by the end. Excellent magpies but bloody ordinary musicians who got real lucky
I hate it when people bash Ringo. He was empathetic to the songs not just bashing away he knew the value of space and accents he was the best drummer for the Beatles.
And had a unique voice, nothing bad about it at all - and no Autotune.
Thanks for standing up for Ringo and Nick Mason! I love both of their drumming! Also, I saw the David Lee Roth "Eat 'em and Smile" Tour and that was one of the most spot on LIVE shows ever! Roth, Vai, Sheehan & Bisonette all nailed it!
There is no more musical drummer than Ringo Star. He and Charlie Watts were not about showboating and flash. They were all about music. I appreciate your rebuttal here. Honestly, Amber Ward's list says more about her than her than anything else. With people like those you mentioned being included on her list I'm left wondering how in the world she defines "weakest link" and why anyone would even bother building such a list. Its all just rubbish.
It’s all a load of rubbish! It’s all a load a rubbish! And rubbish to it all! (Name that that song- it’s a good ‘onn’. )
@@etamommy The rubbish is stinking, are people thinking?
_There is no more musical drummer than Ringo Starr_. Phil Collins was at least equally musical, Jeff Porcaro too, but I agree Ringo should be defended against being called a weak link.
I'm sure Charlie Watts had difficulty getting the drum part right on one of the Exile tracks and someone else has to sit in the stool.
Anyone that refers to Ringo Starr has a weak link is completely clueless. John, Paul and George have all said that Ringo was the missing piece of the band. He brought a lot to the band in his own way
Yes, but in response to the question, 'Do you think Ringo is the best drummer in the world?', John is reported to have said: 'Ringo? He isn't even the best drummer in The Beatles'. Probably apocryphal, though.
Not sure if I’d say the best but definitely top 5 in my opinion. He made drum parts that fit perfectly in the songs. He was extremely good at keeping tempo as well. As far as John’s comment, I believe it was just a joke. The Beatles always made remarks similar to that to the press
@@calebcaldwell1713 "Not sure if I’d say the best but definitely top 5 in my opinion. "
Maybe you should listen to more than 5 bands.
"He was extremely good at keeping tempo as well."
He can't even play sloppy at speeds that would warrant saying extremely good at keeping tempo.
@@mmestari I listen to more than 5 bands just giving credit where credit is due. There’s a reason Ringo is seen as a great drummer. He didn’t have to be flashy to be considered great. I don’t think there’s a drummer that has had more influence than Ringo has
@@calebcaldwell1713 " I listen to more than 5 bands just giving credit where credit is due."
Nah, you are just disrespecting actually good drummers. Go listen Pete Sandoval play Mozart's 25th Symphony, that's actually excellent drumming. Then listen to Helter Skelter, which according Ringo himself is at the zenith of his technical ability. Then you should realize that, realistically Ringo doesn't even make the top 10000 best drummers of the world.
" I don’t think there’s a drummer that has had more influence than Ringo has"
Who has Ringo influenced? Merseybeat is deader than disco.
I can name more bands that Anthony Axon has influenced than you can name bands.
To a great many people, DLR is THE vocalist for Van Halen. I’ve got nothing against Sammy Hagar but he’s no DLR. He was a charismatic juggernaut. Sure, you can dock points for onstage antics, but that doesn’t overshadow the appeal that he brought to their biggest hits. To say that makes him their weak link would be the same as saying that Axl Rose is the weak link of Guns N’ Roses. That dude was a nightmare to deal with, but his performance made up for it.
Mike Love. He wasn't so much a weak link as a guy with a sledgehammer trying, successfully, to smash the chain to bits.
He was also a lousy person. He liked to sue Brian Wilson, and at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, he badmouthed other artists.
Mike Love was the most important member of the Beach Boys..... according to Mike Love!!
Mike love Loves Mike Love ..... I always remember that really old beach boys concert, grainy, black and white... and for some reason Mike kept trying to distract Dennis, RIP, whilst he was singing his solos etc, moving his mic away from him and up and down, covering his eyes, Dennis of course soldiered on and was graceful as ever.
Well they tried to rip Mike love off ,so yeah ...funny, mike was the only one trying to keep it all together, while the wilsons were drugging and boozing and tripping hard
@@polydactylstrangle Can't stand Mike Love. He wasn't needed. He stood there on stage like a superfluous nobody. He wasn't and probably still isn't a nice guy. Loved Dennis' voice and Carl's voice. Love, I could have lived without.
McCartney probably had good incentive to put Linda in the band and on stage.
It informed all the female fans that Mrs McCartney would be backstage with Mr McCartney after the show was over.
Good way to safeguard your marriage.
Also its so Paul McCartney isnt apart from her and still together. If Linda isn't in Wings, Paul is off away for long periods of time on the road.
Sorry but if you have a husband or wife you can't trust, then you don't have a marriage. He should be able to go away to WORK and not cheat on his wife.
Safeguarding the marriage or controlling behaviour?
Nick Mason is a solid and tasteful percussionist who was exactly what Pink Floyd needed.
That chilling opening line on Sabbath,s first album ,What is this that stands before me , only OZZY could pull this off
Correct.
Ozzy being such a unique sounding vocalist is highly overlooked
Sabbath with Ozzy is by far the best Sabbath. His style vocals were perfect for what the band was doing, not to mention his energy which he still has today despite his current health issues. Ozzy is rock always will be , I miss him already.
That song scared the crap out of me when I first heard it.
This is a scientifically proven fact: Ozzy is Sabbath's GREATEST-EVER vocalist! With Dio an INCREDIBLY close second!
Nick Mason? No way. PF was a product of the 4 members....their work apart from the classic lineup proves that. Waters was reluctant (to say the least) to give credit to others, especially Mason and Wright. I believe NM's contributions to the band were far more than what's shown in the credits. I've also read quite a bit about Pink Floyd and I believe the intangibles that Mason brought to the band personality-wise were invaluable.
Yes, and to lump Pink Floyd in with the "technical" progressive rock bands such as Yes is wrong. I don't think the others were itching to explore odd time signatures or more complex songs. That's not what they were about, but it seems to be a common misconception to label them as a "prog" rock band because of the era in which they became famous.
@errollzastre7380 they are definitely art rock leaning prog. There's just too much blues in their music to fully consider them prog, not that that's a bad thing. Their approach to progressive music is probably the only way to keep the prog scene alive today, however. In that I mean simpler guitar riffs and less obtuse concepts while still going with huge songs inspired by classical and jazz music and dramatic themes. I feel prog today is just being weird for the sake of it.
Exactly. Listen to the live stuff in the early years.
Any session drummer could replace Mason.
@@МаксРогозин-е1ю and it would be a completely different band.
My vote for weakest link? Wolfgang Van Halen, and McCartney's kids...
Simplicity isn't the same as weakness. Ringo and Adam Clayton play to the song and are perfectly suited to their respective bands.
I agree
because a part in a mechanism is simple does not mean that it does fulfill its part in the ensemble...replace that part by another supposedly more complex or refined and the ensemble might not work as well. Successful bands have no weak links because all the different parts define their sound...that is why they are successful. Meg white is a very limited drummer, but it would not be the white stripes without her.
5:47 - And Kenny Jones wins the not-so-coveted "Shemp Howard Award" for the thankless task of having to replace an irreplaceable performer...
Exactly
Kenny had been delivered the poisoned chalice to replace Keith Moon.
Shemp was way better than Kenny!
Perfect comment.
Funny and true!
Sounds More Like Nitpicking Than Finding "Weak Links"...
Also, sometimes a less technical, less gifted member can work as a glue keeping the band together with their humor or relaxed approach - or work as a Link between the technical, cold band and the excited audience. So a member might be crucial for the band chemistry even when not being musically brilliant or writing songs for them.
Adam Clayton had some wonderful bass lines on the early albums. He (like the rest of U2) have been phoning it in for years.
Kenny Jones doesn't get a fair wrap, nobody on planet earth could have followed Moon, he was totally unique.
Agree with Sid Vicious who was a clothes horse, he was a dickhead who blinded a girl in one eye with a pint glass even without the Nancy Spungen incident, I really don't see why he is a cultural icon.
Diamond Dave was an integral part of Van Halen and nuts, he wasn't a weak link
Kenny Jones était excellent avec les SMALL FACES.
Van Halen sans David Lee Roth, n'est plus Van Halen.
In Kenney Jones the Who finally acquired a drummer capable of performing a drummer's basic duty which is reliable timekeeping. Only after you've mastered this there is room for ornamentation.
Two Hearts Beat As One is an excellent bass performance. Generally, Adam plays what suits the song. Nothing wrong with that.
The only part I'd disagree with you on is U2 collectively phoning it in. It pains and I can not stress enough pains me to say that The Edge and Bono definitely are. Adam's an interesting case to say the least. But I heard someone describe U2 in the best way possible in a speech at an event. The band doesn't call themselves U2 internally. They call it the Larry Mullin JR. band. Because that guy has held them together through hell and high water. Where I think the others may have checked out to some extent Larry is still going at those drums today like they owe him money
@@TheBlindAndTheBeautiful Hopefully, Larry will recover and play with them again. He had to miss the entire residency at The Sphere, though he attended the penultimate show.
I agree with David Lee Roth. Charisma and stage presence for days, but couldn’t reproduce the vocals on the albums in a live setting if his life depended on it. I totally understand that fans were upset that Sammy Hagar took his place, but the simple fact remains that Sammy could do it 100%, night after night, and Roth could not.
And a horrible solo career.
@@petercena9497 That's not totally fair. Dave had two strong albums post VH (three if you count the EP when he wasn't "officially" gone yet), But, yeah, after that, he dropped off a cliff.
As a drummer, myself i love Ringo (my favorite drummer of all time) and Nick Mason and Kenney Jones, because they are not flash show boaty drummers, critics tend to knock them. I dont get it and never will. I'm grateful for an intelligent opinion like yours Barry, a true music lover, not like the person who wrote this list
This Amber Ward person seems to know more about the craft of drumming than anybody here... I'd like to hear her play some time.
Exactly. I think we would find that she would turn out to be an expert at the art of self-promotion without actual talent at anything.
Ringo was hardly a weak link. He was such an integral part of the Beatles sound.
I agree
I have no idea what he sounded like live, but David Lee Roth had some great vocals on Van Halen studio albums.
The "Edge's" one-note solos are legendary (how he makes those best guitarists list, baffles me). No weak links in the Beatles. Roth isn't a good singer but was a good front man. BTW - who is Amber Ward and how many albums has she sold?
Absolutely - Rattle and Hum - "Edge, play the blues!" Cue single note solo 😂
David Lee Roth was actually a pretty damn GOOD singer.
He makes those lists because being a great rock guitarist isn't all about showy pyrotechnics, it's about being distinctive. And Edge is arguably the most distinctive guitarist of his generation.
The Edge had a distinctive style and sound - playing triads high up on the neck instead of conventional chords. He isn't really a lead player who played many solos. There's a lot of guitarists who make those lists mainly on band success and name recognition. I respect him for sure but he shouldn't be anywhere near the top of any list.
As to DLR. How can you be a good front man and not meet the very first requirement, sing?
"A Day in the LIfe" closes down all arguments about Ringo's ability.
If anything Ringo was far far better than alot say
I love that little drum-roll just as Paul sings, "Woke up ..."
For the detractors, Nick Mason on Live at Pompei is off the scale. There's the wonderful section where he's really motoring. For all those in doubt. Check it out!
Especially during "One Of These Days" when Nick drops his drumstick and gets back into the song without skipping a beat. Also, the way the drums synergize with ricks organ is so tasteful.
When I saw the thumbnail and noticed that Ringo and Nick Mason were included I wasnt going to bother watching this vid. It was only when I saw it was a Classic Album Review production I changed my mind. But I have to say that the whole premise of weak links in great bands to be ludicrous. However it does generate discussion I suppose.
The engineer pointed out that it doesn't sound like Wings without Linda's vocals.
So, this means Yoko is in the clear!
The drummers in spinal tap
I've always thought that Ozzy was one of the best vocalists in all of heavy metal history. You had a beautiful high-pitched voice and I think I've never noticed any problems with it. I don't even understand people saying he had problems with range because I don't think he did. That band was blessed with one great singer after another.
To come up with 300 perfect drum parts and was well liked by all -well done Ringo!
At least Sid V. did the definitive version of 'My Way'!
If we’re talking about all around music ability than yes Mason would be at bottom but if we are talking about playing their specific instrument It’s waters
And apparently Gilmour played fretless bass on 'Hey You' because Waters wasn't able
I don’t think Adam Clayton belongs on here. He may not be technical like Geddy Lee or, Billie Sheehan, but listen to any of the first four or five U2 albums. His bass lines are awesome and on a lot of songs are the hooks. Ozzy Osbourne is one that definitely belongs on here. He couldn’t sing his way out of a wet paper bag on his best day. It really is amazing someone with so little talent becomes a God in the metal world. there’s a video here on TH-cam somewhere of an opera singer doing blind reactions to metal singers and when they played Bruce Dickinson she couldn’t get over how good he was, then they played Ozzie and she said something like “is this a joke”?
I used to think Ringo wasn't that good, but then I read a piece by Kenny Aronoff about doing a transcription/run-through of The Beatles' "Rain." He was gushing nonstop about how no part of the drum part ever repeated and how it was basically a 3-minute drum solo with a song dropped on top of it. After that, I began to pick up how good he really was.
That's high praise. Kenny deserves more kudos too
Van Halen wasn’t V H without Roth I probably would agree slightly as a singer but he fit what they did he also was the one that did a lot of the work on their videos and came up with a lot of ideas for those
Nick was great, especially on the Live at Pompeii.
Star of the show!! So charismatic.
The way he loses a drum stick during one of these days and pulls out another and not lose the tempo was incredible 😂
@jlobiafra totally. I remember watching Pompeii on mushrooms in 1985 and thinking the boys were talking to me and especially Nick about the pie crust.
@@danjack-son4871 I worked at a video store and we use to smoke weed during our break and would always play live at Pompeii at the video store while we worked
"Sammy throws a party, I AM a party!"- DLR
truth
David Lee Roth always came over as a hugely disingenuous and insincere person to me, someone who was only in it for the money, fame and particularly the girls. On second thoughts though, perhaps he wasn’t insincere about it and was actually pretty open regarding his priorities, but it still makes me think less of VH because of it
In my humble opinion Ringo is one of the most important drummers in pop/rock history. Inventive and an inspiration for thousands of drummers around the world.
Robert Plant on his podcast actually referred to himself as the weak link in Led Zeppelin which is almost impossible to imagine. The same band and singer that influenced groups like Rush and literally hundreds of others.
Plant didn’t take care of that wonderful voice of his. By 1973, most of his register was already shot. He cracked and squeaked his way through many Zep tours. Thankfully, his bandmates were so good that no one cared that much.
He took half the show to warm up his vocals because he simply wouldn’t do it BEFORE the show.
By the way, I’m a mega Zep fan. But facts are facts. Really wish he would have bothered to care for his throat.
@@MJEvermore853 --Plant absolutely did have did have vocal chord surgery to have nodules removed around 1973 or '74. He sounded distinctly different on Presense in '76 (which was recorded in '75). But he thrashed his voice too much in the early years and the damage was done..
@@robertwheatley2471 … yep. I had forgotten to mention that surgery.
I had always thought the surgery was earlier, before the Houses album, because of how different I thought his voice sounded on that album, but I was wrong. The surgery was a little later on during the time that you had stated above.
@@robertwheatley2471the song remains the same "live" was retouched in studio
If I was to give them all marks out of 100 I would award 100 to John Paul Jones and John Bonham, 99 to Page and 98 to Plant. So yes he was the weak link!
Let's talk about Linda. To find what she added you only need to see and hear what was lost when she passed. I, for one, miss her voice in the mix. She helped Paul through tough times, made it possible for him to collect double songwriting royalties, stopped his being killed in Legos, wrote and sang "Seaside Woman", and wrote the reggea section of "Live and Let Die". Also she was a fantastic photographer. THIS is everything I realized after the fact and now feel regret that I/we underappreciated her.
Furthermore on wings at the speed of sound she also did her first and only lead vocal on a track titled cook of the house
As a drummer of over 30 years, I would never construe Kenney Jones as the weak link in any band. Kenney played with a clean technique that was much different than that of Keith Moon. Kenney played what the songs demanded and didn't compromise his style which I respect and the songs he performed on "You Better You Bet," "Eminence Front" are still legendary and enjoyable today! It seems like Daltrey was grieving Moon's death and that may have clouded his judgment on Jones' drumming.
You better you bet is 💩 given all the great music from the Who.
I don't get her dislike for Adam Clayton. In the early days he was U2's "secret weapon" - playing the melody line on his very audible bass while the Edge did some guitar noodling on top. This was a very innovative arrangement at the time and spawned many imitators. He was also the band's voice of sanity - among other things, he was the only one who didn't join a religious cult.
The rhythm section of Clayton and Mullen is what made U2 great IMO.
Henry Rollins was always bashing them too. Like any of his music is better. Sorry Henry but you'll never write a One Tree Hill.
Innovative? John Entwistle and Pete Townsend were doing that around the time the guys in U2 were infants.
Sid, I agree with. DLR may have been spotty live, but his vocals were very important on the albums of his Era of the band.
The success of and musicianship on Ozzy’s solo works in the 1980’s debunks the notion that he was holding back Black Sabbath from achieving more while he was fronting them.
Amen!
That's because Ozzy or I should say Sharon organized all of those talented musicians to compose music and lyrics while contractually requiring the giving of writing credits to Ozzy to make him look legit. You can thank Bob Daisley for all of the iconic songs from Ozzy's solo career in the 80's.
Generally agree with your assessor.
And yes enough with ringo bashing.
He wasnt brought in as a singer… the boys just wanted to include him that way.
But it was his creative drumming .. we know Pete couldn’t do it.
Black Sabbath isn't Sabbath without Ozzy. His vocals made the band what it originally was. When Dio took over they became more of an Iron Maiden type band, not Black Sabbath.
New and improved Black Sabbath 😂
Ringo????.....Listen to "Rain" "In My Life" "Ticket to Ride" "Come Together"......His drum parts are iconic not to mention ground breaking and he was the reason I got into drumming
Also A Day in the Life.
Who in the band do you think is worse?
@@jesseredden7123 No one.....They are all equals and sensational at their respective talents
Ringo had an unique drumming style that came from using a right-handed drum kit while Ringo was left-handed. That extra space in time from moving his dominant hand to drum out a fill was ear candy to me and impossible for right-handed drummers to copy. He was responsible for the Beatle's overall different sound.
I suppose right-handed drummers could copy it if they use a left-handed kit...
It had nothing to do with space in time from moving across the kit, it was that the fills started with the left hand which was difficult for us right handers to copy. You obviously don’t play drums, so maybe you should just speak not what you know not of.
I don’t know what a great drummer sounds like but the fact Ringo played with Zappa tells me he’s a great drummer.
Agree with your take on all of those Barry. Nick Mason's behind the beat percussive style was perfect for Floyd. Kenney Jones is best heard on those Small Faces classics - great drummer. One of my favourite Ringo performances was on Rain. Ozzy couldn't sing a note but he was Ozzy. I can't think of anybody else who got by purely on their character and presence. Thanks as usual.
One of my favorite things about the RAM album is the blending of Paul & Linda’s vocals.
There would have been one major flaw with any technically proficient drummer who would have been in Ringo's place on The Beatles. And that simply is --- that they would not have been _Ringo._ True Beatle fans know what I mean.
Linda McCartney was onstage for the right reasons. And imagine the pressures she endured beng married to a Beatle and having to wither the flak of criticism fired at her for being a beginner player in Wings - all while raising a family. She was a brave woman and deserves everyone's respect.
Nick Mason, like Ringo, was perfect for his band. It is no coincidence that post-Floyd Gilmour and Waters have both enlisted players with simple, straightforward approaches reminiscent of Mason.
I found it interesting that Roger Daltry didn't like Kenney Jones's drumming but Pete Townshend did. Fact is they were both listening in different ways. Townshend is on record saying he hated Keith Moon's playing because it mean that he (Pete) couldn't play guitar the way he wanted - he had to compensate for Moon's deficiencies (I believe John Entwistle felt the same about his bass playing role). Daltry, however, seemed to like Moon's bombast and the placement of his accents, all of which heightened Dalry's performance. Yes, Moon was a uniquely critical element for the Who's sound and a big inspiration for other drummers. But in real terms he was not a great player by any means. (Worth noting that for some time Jimi Hendrix did not like Mitch Mitchell's drumming. Mitch's previous boss, Georgie Fame, also had issues with it, particulary the amount of cymbals in the sound. He told Mitch, 'Just play the hi-hat'. Others thought Mitch wasn't heavy enough for Jimi. And Little Feat's Bill Payne wasn't crazy about Richie Hayward's drumming...yet Richie is revered by everyone from Steve Gadd to Simon Kirke.
True, David Lee Roth was a horrid singer. But a fun frontman. Van Halen was a band that didn't take itself as seriously as its audience did. In which case the audience was the weak point - they didn't get the joke.
Adam Clayton is excellent for U2. That isn't a band of 'players'. It's a band of friends making music. Like the Beatles and Stones. Anyone wanting great players should stop listening to rock music, because generally speaking the truly great musicians don't play rock.
As for Sid Vicious, he had to be pretty bad to be too bad for the Sex Pistols.
Ringo was perfect, i bet if you get ten studio drummers of high quality who somehow have never heard Beatles and removed Ringo and told them to add a drum track, they would all be in time and very good, but none would surpass or even equal what Ringo played---
He was excellent
Nick Mason absolutely was not a weak link in Pink Floyd. His sense of timing was impeccable. Listen to something as simple as his high-hat strokes in A Saucerful of Secrets, and you'll know what I mean.
Never mind about Sid Vicious being a weak link in The Sex Pistols. The whole band was a weak link. They never intended to make music, only to sneer at the concept of talent.
I think there are decent calls for all of these band members not being the weak links but particularly Liam Gallagher, Nick Mason and Ringo Star who were pivotal to their respective bands. Was it a slow music day for this particular journalist?
Guessing she got turned down by a band she just auditioned for.
Divisive lists get the clicks and comment "engagement"
No just you everyday S-L-O-W M-I-N-D-E-D journalist pretender who probably has less musical talent then my toe-nail clippings. BTW I can't play instruments can't sing and can't dance either .Just being honest about me unlike the person who wrote the column and doesn't know ANYTHING about music.
might be controvertial but i think the weak link in the beatles was Yoko Ono
Yoko is so gifted as a vocalist . she can sing any thing and make it sound like a monkey .
I don't think anyone took Linda McCartney seriously as a memeber of Wings. It was pretty clear she was just there because she was Paul's wife.
The weak link in u2 is u2
now sure but the early albums were brilliant, who could foretell that Bono would become Klaus Schwabs obedient lapdog and Joe Bidens wet nurse, even Lucifer didn't fall that far from grace and he was fictional , then again so is Bono these days
Thank you!
Bono.
Um no. Nice try.
U2, 2U ?
Good on you for defending Ringo. Zero flash, no unnecessary fills, no showing off at all. He played with taste, and his playing always served the song.
Okay, I'm not the only one who's not a DLR fan, thank God. And I'm not an Ozzy Osborn fan either.
This list is absurd and ridiculous. It’s not worth commenting beyond that.