Sometimes when I'm playing support, I feel like a single mother of a bunch of ungrateful toddlers, constantly running off into different directions, heading towards certain death.
That reminds me of a video I watch from Kingston gaming veigar top at 18 minutes he just complain about lulu not being able to kite meaning not a single support knows how to kite because they are support. I mean alot support players should work on fundamentals like Cs and kiting specially if they play range alot but there is way more adc thing kiting is only forward.
@@isaacribeiro6823 Support is just a really technical position, and not many can appreciate the nuances of playing a character who might as well have 1hp and be armed with a wet noodle (obviously not all support characters fit, but most do). Oh and melee support characters, don't even get me started on how frustrating it is to have to dance around skillshots for an hour just to gain half a pixels worth of ground knowing full well it's going to be another hour before you can finally be close enough to flash in and do anything. It's always hilarious looking at the end game stats and seeing you carried a bunch of toxic idiots tho. Like one time I had an ADC who kept just leaving lane to dick off literally every time the enemy went to engage, so after getting blasted 3v1 under tower I decided to leave bot lane and just gank mid on repeat. Whole team flaming me for dying twice in bot and abandoning it, but I didn't die again and had more kp than the rest of the team put together, and literally turned a losing mid lane around so jungle could focus on an equally fucked top lane. the braindead ADC ended up leaving the game towards the end, but I managed to make an opening for our sion to ult in and smack the nexus.
I felt that comment. "Everyone wants support to be everywhere but nowhere at the same time." I run into this constantly. When I feel like I've done something that benefits the team or my ADC, I get spam pinged and sometimes told to just go away. :( We only just want to help and support you!
My favorite is getting flamed for roaming, then getting flamed for engaging, then getting flamed for pushing. So you want me to sit in the lane and baby sit you while you freeze, literally just stand here… and then I get flamed for not following my lane opponent when enemy support kills mid
@@Cp-yx4ci He is absolute entertainer that's what I know. He is running a showman bussines so yes, you might be right "a bit" there but that's not the point. He's at least 90 percent right. Yone guy is happy and accepting the situation. If there was a debate, iOki already won that. I feel you, iOki is one of the most annoying players :) but I respect him for being the most patient Lol player and no mattter what he continues to ertertain us. iOki is like a cold pool or sea, you get use to it when you jump into it.
@@Cp-yx4ci no dude, not at all. things are not black and white here. Don't take things serious. I'm sure you got a point here but so what? Don't forget why we are here. There is no victim, just a good show.
People see "Support" and they think "Henchman, Goon, Sidekick". Lost track of all the times I've been told Support doesn't matter, while simultaneously being blamed for everything.
The having to hit autos on minions to reduce Q is so unacknowledged that I have to repeat it every game to these ppl. Insanity that they won’t learn. Keep up the good fight
fucking facts! I've been in games, where I know I'm the least experienced player, standing next to the turret like... If I move I'm going to get pinged but if I don't move I'm going to get pinged...
Best example of, life as a support player, get flamed left and right because they don't understand that you are doing the right thing, and they don't get to be the Star of the game. They get frustrated and look for someone to lash out on, and who's easiest to blame but support? Love the content, I always watch you videos, on the channel and for fun squad, thanks god you guys stopped playing URF :D, but one for all seems fun. I learned a lot from you game plays, love that you explain so much while playing.
@@Cp-yx4ci If you watch the explanation I had, it's all very sound reasoning for why I was mid. I'll write them again here for you -- 1) the wave was pushing away from our melee midlaner into a ranged midlaner, hard to crash alone and we want to play for the crash 2) he was the only lane vulnerable to a gank so I'm preventing that 3) playing for dive was possible if I landed W into his Q3 4) botlane was already crashed so there's no XP for me to get 5) sharing mid wave XP doesn't mean we split it 50/50, it's a net gain for our team's amount of experience if two people share it vs. 1 soaking all of it.
@@Cp-yx4ci You're wrong in assuming I haven't listened to your comments, I've read everything. Looks like we just disagree and view what happened within this video differently. That's okay, and I'm wishing you have a nice night brotha
I usually roam mid before grubs to help push so they can roam to grubs and they flame and never come grubs. Or if i roam to grubs my jungle doesn't even go anyways so i gotta waste time walking back. Terrible jungles this season
Just for the record, because you never stated the number: the team gets an overall 26.73% extra exp when sharing, so its still good for the game. Was a bit disappointed that he didnt apologise for the flame :D
He did admit he was completely wrong about it, and I don't necessarily need an apology so that's good enough for me! And he gave us all a great learning opportunity.
Lol ive just stared league not long ago and im already using my ultimate technique i used in dota. Mute every game. Dont talk, dont listen. Every call you make just pray. Every call you think your team is doing just based on your pure game sense. Im legit that shit helped me alot in dota. Hopefully itll help me in league when i get accustomed to the game
@@aceofspade2120i was pantheon sup, was 1v2 because my adc dont wanna fight. Got the kills and he said im griefing because i didnt let him get the kills 😂 i love playing sp but i hate playing with teammates. Idk how to strike the balance in league yet ngl
I played a game as Senna sup with a Yone adc, we left lane and he was 11/3 and just fed the rest of the game. That shows you the type of people you have to assist
It should be obvious for everyone with some brain cells, that 2 players in 1 lane =/= splitting exp in half. If that was the case, when bot lane reaches lvl 6, the midlaner would be lvl 12 at the moment (or even higher due to the fact, that minion waves have shorter road to go to mid than to the side lanes). Such scenario literally NEVER happens!
Appreciate you taking the time to teach! To many times I see streamers just flame. Nothing ruins the viewer experience atleast for me personally more than matching flame with flame. Keep doing you and I'll keep watching and throwing those 👍!
Dude as a jg main i feel your pain. People want you to be everywhere at the same time and if they lose lane 1v1 its your fault even though they solo died twice on my first clear while I'm pathing towards their lane. I have to mute all or I'd go insane
The delusional salt of your team this match is beyond ridiculous. Love your Senna matches as always and I especially needed to see a GSA pop off on my favorite champ because my day had been extremely shitty when you picked her. I know I don’t need to say it but I’d like to anyway - keep up the awesomeness.
20:00 MF delays herself making a straight path to you whole you make a direct path to take cait ult. Upon second inspection SHE STARTS GOING DOWN THE PATH INSTEAD AT THE LAST SECOND SO YOU CAN'T TAKE CAIT ULT FOR HER
Such an amazing video...I truly admire your resilience, I don't know how u didnt mute them...I cant handle the support job, Im new and it is so difficult to learn in such a highly toxic env. As always love your content!
When people start pinging or flaming me for no reason I always say in chat "seems like X don't know how to use their ping/chat, I'll just mute it to help them focus on the game"
Great video. Big shout out to that midlaner that came open-minded, took the jokes without being offended. I'm not sure people realize how minuscule this part of players (and people) he represents. And obviously, thank you for iOki. I'm a no name player stuck in bronze league and play from time to time to chill on lol for some years now. This last part of the video was so insightfull. I often focus on warding and providing opportunities as best as I can to my support but the explanation was so eye-opening for me. As I don't know what to look for, it gave me goals to look for in my modest progression.
now that's a rare case. I don't get on comms with randoms as a support but damn. You spilled some good knowledge on him and he was actually a nice guy, despite playing yone
@@Cp-yx4cii don't really care about your problem with this guy. I'm often not a fan of his actions neither. I was writing about a specific case of a rotate to help in a teamfight and crashing a wave, which was the reason for flame. I was not addressing anything other than that. Yes. I would advise you to chill :)
As a support main, it's pretty easy to push without stealing creeps. Only rarely is it necessary to steal creeps, and you definitely indulge more than necessary because you feel you have to carry as the smurf, which is totally fine and I get that. It's not that hard to know where your place should be, but I do agree that carries are usually too stupid to understand when the support helping them shove mid for example is important and for their own good.
As a senna main myself I totally understand the struggle i go through the same things you went through in this video all the time. Just let me help you..
I mean i mostly agree, but if you are playing support you should not ksteal if you see that your adc or mid can easily get the kill since most of the time the gold is more valuable on the sololaners/hypercarries, a whole nother point is ksecuring where the person could potentially get away. Obviously all that doesnt really matter when a challenger smurf is playing in pisslow but they dont know you are gonna carry and most of the time support just doesnt do that hence shouldnt take the kills
well support is usually the role new players first pick up, so they get generalized as someone to put blame too, but at the same time its also the role that also gets lots of praises too even if its just a heal to save someone
ioki you gotta try nauti, my build seems busted. You go aftershock, shield bash, second wind, revitalize nothing too fancy here. but also cheap shot and ingenious hunter. you rush for tabis and unending despair, take bloodsong, from there you slap some kaenic if they have some fed mages, if theyre weak just grab the mdef sunfire cape and then you build your supp items, maybe a frozen heart, finish it off with a sundered sky if you feel like it. Its so much fun. You basically hook them and solo kill with ignite or fight 1v3 long enough for your team to arrive.
As a Senna main myself, albeit at a drastically lower skill floor, it is unbearably common for me to experience negative attitude when I "Killsteal". I don't get ADCs, and I don't get junglers. That's about the entire story
Dunning-Kruger effect look it up. There are 2 graffics one if a group of competent people and the other is what I call general population, the one with the big belt curve.
Awesome carry i0ki, definettly the kind of games were I wonder how tf rito makes match-making when they give me these kind of teams like 4/5 games, while the solo-que enemy team coordinate 4 and 5 man ganks bot, and my laners still somehow loose their respective lane while the junglers is fixed on full-clear. I think the reason for the players toxicity is because, 5v5 lol has a limited amount of fun, and players play for fun more then for wins, especially in lower-elos, and this is why arena is such a good game, everyone can have fun, even when they are loosing. They also tend to be humans between the age of 18-30 years, getting home after a not-so-fun life and work-style, maybe most of them are single, and above all, the match-making of rito just sucks so much. I feel like if they just make players play with random players rather then considering a useless MMR system they would make a better job. BTW I see toxic behavior for my 2nd role after support also, jungle, like it's my fault the top laner dies while I'm doing dragon and I ping him to be carefull of ganks because I see the enemy jungler top. These 2 roles must be the most flamed roles in the team, followed by ADC, mid and top.
I play all lanes and I most consistently see jungle derping their job the hardest. All of them are more concerned with JG exp than winning lanes or kill exp. Same jungles that never soak exp in lane.
@@BudgetNugsbro u are trolling with that statement. speaking as a jungle main with years of experience, they rly rly hard nerf exp gains from getting kills and we are seriously forced to farm a lot in season 14. same concept as this video, laners expect us to be everywhere but yet complain when we are behind, underlevelled and underfed. I started climbing when i played selfish hyper carry junglers instead of utility junglers for the team in the current season to diamond
As a support it's so funny when I do a desperation roam and flip the losing game into a mega win but the whole time my team is kicking and screaming while I carry them through it all. I wish more people watched fundamentals tutorials instead of the tunnel vision on their exp gauge. Literally did this in my most recent match yesterday. I roam away from failed ADC to midlane. I go 5/0/13 as Yuumi..... secure drakes, tank towers down to 5% hp to save teammates multiple times on dives, pull their support mid due to pressure and kill her multiple times, pull their adc mid as well and double kill them and their support, cross map save our toplaner 1v3ing midlane with my redemption. It's scary how much I can accomplish if people simply let me go where I need to go. (also help me ward though cuz I'm Yuumi and never use teleport please)
"Pick something tanky pls,senna is useless."ye i get that a lot.I stopped playing support and switched to jungle and im actually doing fine.either khazix or amumu.
I tend to get a lot of bad adcs in low elo and they will run it down and then if I get kills I get blamed for their bad plays. I dare I steal their kills. I even pointed out to one guy how he couldn't even cs properly.
Yep was playing bard, got 3 kills not side then roamed for grubs and chimes. Adc somehow managed to die twice while we were 3 kills up, then blames me for roaming
everyone understands xp splitting grants slightly more total xp to the team but what supp players dont understand is that more gold and xp on one fed team member is way more valuable than splitting it with useless players even if it grants slightly more to the team. if you're playing mid correctly you wanna keep split xp to a minimum
Why'd you choose last stand over cutdown? And overgrowth over revitalize? And Triumph over PoM? I thought that stuff was locked in as best on her for those pages.
I took really bad runes this game, no excuses. I think I went with a premade page or something, but yeah all of those runes you named are NOT optimal for Senna.
I don't think they necessarily hate supports, it's more of an ego boost, something like "I am the Top, mid, whatever, I am more important than you even if you have a big bounty, because unless you are able to kill or CC them for 5s you aren't as needed". I am not the first person to flash in front of an ally to protect them unless they are decently strong but people need to stop thinking that support are playing "for you", unless you're Yuumi you are most likely playing for the team and the game, not to kill the fed target
im no where near as good as you, but yesterday i got yelled at for not defending base from a fed darius and a seperate point in game, a fed shyvana, while i got shit on as velkoz and cant really wave clear lol
Dude it's mind boggling how much people can trigger you and heavily impact your mood, despite all the years you've been playing, also considering it's your job. Imagine being this triggered while casually working through your day. A nightmare. Nonetheless you're right, but man, just click mute for your mental health.
I always thought the xp split was around 65/35 in favor of who executes the minion. No one should be mad about a few minions worth of xp getting split, especially since your support probably needs that xp badly. It’s a team oriented game that people play like a solo battle royale.
If you’re gonna play senna the best build for any adc and her . Is one I made that’s all around perfect . Bork, hydra , hurricane , wits and finish off with jak sho , speed boots and elixir of hp. Lethal tempo , presence , alacrity , last stand . Conditioning and overgrowth . Atk Spd, hp scale x2 also my Leona is the best lol
Pride. As simple as that of why people aren't good at taking constructive criticism; if they take advice, that makes them lesser than the advice giver. Good on this dude though on the changed perspective and willingness to learn.
This makes the role so unenjoyable but it is part of the life unfortunately. I think the main issue when supporting and you get the last hit, is all of your 'carries' freaking out, even if they would die without the SUPPORT.
I am so terrible at Senna. . . I just can't figure out how to play her like you do. I main Karma, Zyra, and Maokai. I'd love to pick up an AD support, I just suck at them.
I have a new strategy I am implementing for a while, where when people want to tell me how to play the game, I remember they are the greatest of all time and they are true winners who can 1v9 and they don't need me so I just leave the game and let them think about their awesomeness now. We need a support revolt. It is time for people to start being punished for their ignorance.
As someone who plays support like probs 95% of the time, it’s annoying when ppl flame you for doing ya job. Or in cases where you couldn’t of done anything cause ya adc decided "yeah I’ll tower dive that nautalis! Oh no I’ve been cc’d to death SUPPORT BAD EHY DIDNT YOU TAKE RHE TOWER" like oh yea it’s my fault YOU chose to do a bad play and got messed up from it yeah yeah my fault
@@Cp-yx4ci I am always pretty open-minded to hearing other perspectives on the game, believe it or not. I frequently admit when I was wrong, or criticize even my own plays that go well. Always looking for little pockets of improvement. As for ending Grandmaster, yeah I just don't really care to grind ranked all that much. High ELO soloQ is really draining and typically lower quality games than norms. I think my other accomplishments (such as winning tournamnets) speaks to my ability as a player better.
@@Cp-yx4ci Yeah totally understand your perspective. I do play in a high-agency carry playstyle (as seen in my champ picks like Pyke + Senna) but I also practice good fundamentals and try to preach them. The way I play in soloQ videos is also very different from the more team-based approach in competitive play, if you want to see be less greedy check out those videos! Much love man.
i main Yone and always thank my jg or sup for helping me push, ESP if the jg is still alive and I'm low. I don't care about "splitting" a wave and plates, I'd rather do that than die and loose the entire wave. (also that Yone in your first game's build was AWEFUL, he prob went bork first to kite the Cait, but if he went Kraken first he would 100-0 her in a single combo, no need to kite a corpse, plus kraken has a way better build-path than bork. If he was laning against Irelia, yea bork first is actually necessary, but he wasnt against Irelia...needless to say, he had the IQ of a hazelnut and I'm sorry you had to deal with him, but know I would treat you like the great support you are, keep it up👍)
"Route Number A...." -he said, when he subtracted from his humongous brain, in all his honesty, in order to adequately address to the peasant brained Yone-
Everyone hates support and jungle. Its because jungle has so much influence early on the game and are so strong, that any time a laner loses without their jungler they blame the jungle more often than not. Support is just blamed by everyone because people view the role as being played by auto-fills or people not good enough to play other roles.
If more people were like him NA would win worlds. True on multiple levels. Having tens of thousands of good players in NA soloqueue would boost the region a ton.
He wasn’t going to do anything with that extra exp anyway, while ioki would 100% carry and he should have been able to tell that this support is good. I think solo laners should share exp.
This game is the *quintessence* of why I'm refusing to play support at the moment. Because Karma is my favorite champion and she's actually broken as a mid laner ATM. Tbh: I can't last hit to save my life XD But at least you can waveclear once u got at least Forgotten Chapter. Still better than getting flamed for hard carrying the game as support all game long, when you win in the end
Sometimes when I'm playing support, I feel like a single mother of a bunch of ungrateful toddlers, constantly running off into different directions, heading towards certain death.
accurate
23:00 that's the first time I see I0ki be tilted enough to leave fountain with 1600 and an empty inventory slot
OOPS
bro i saw the same thing and started laughing
@@Cp-yx4ci i bet ur fun at parties
And you seem to be so well balanced 😆 @@Cp-yx4ci
Yup, everyone hates support players... But thats not exactly a secret when 1/2 the time jungle will flame support because top is 0/22/0
That reminds me of a video I watch from Kingston gaming veigar top at 18 minutes he just complain about lulu not being able to kite meaning not a single support knows how to kite because they are support. I mean alot support players should work on fundamentals like Cs and kiting specially if they play range alot but there is way more adc thing kiting is only forward.
@@isaacribeiro6823 Support is just a really technical position, and not many can appreciate the nuances of playing a character who might as well have 1hp and be armed with a wet noodle (obviously not all support characters fit, but most do). Oh and melee support characters, don't even get me started on how frustrating it is to have to dance around skillshots for an hour just to gain half a pixels worth of ground knowing full well it's going to be another hour before you can finally be close enough to flash in and do anything.
It's always hilarious looking at the end game stats and seeing you carried a bunch of toxic idiots tho. Like one time I had an ADC who kept just leaving lane to dick off literally every time the enemy went to engage, so after getting blasted 3v1 under tower I decided to leave bot lane and just gank mid on repeat. Whole team flaming me for dying twice in bot and abandoning it, but I didn't die again and had more kp than the rest of the team put together, and literally turned a losing mid lane around so jungle could focus on an equally fucked top lane. the braindead ADC ended up leaving the game towards the end, but I managed to make an opening for our sion to ult in and smack the nexus.
I felt that comment. "Everyone wants support to be everywhere but nowhere at the same time." I run into this constantly. When I feel like I've done something that benefits the team or my ADC, I get spam pinged and sometimes told to just go away. :( We only just want to help and support you!
*ganks lane*
Laner: YOU'RE LEECHING EXP
You're a very patient man
My favorite is getting flamed for roaming, then getting flamed for engaging, then getting flamed for pushing. So you want me to sit in the lane and baby sit you while you freeze, literally just stand here… and then I get flamed for not following my lane opponent when enemy support kills mid
this is literally what adcs want, just stand there and watch and somehow stop them from dying when they do stupid things
Dude, as someone who doesn't rage in the game or type anything in chat. This video made me so SALTY
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@@Cp-yx4ci iron comment
this reminds me of when the whole enemy team said report our support and i had to tell them that the support was the reason they won!
Dude, you literally went 1v9, the AUDACITY
everywhere yet nowhere is my new go-to quote 😂
the yone is hard stuck plat. silver every season before. lvl 700+.
after that game he seems to have been inspired and became a support main
Bruh no... NOOOOOO
He an insult to supports with that additude
I like your wise talks that are not meant to be arrogant. This video has something else, a story behind. loved it.
That's why I watched it.
No. The extra Discord episode is not included in the story. If you are not support main, you can't feel the story. not blame you.
@@Cp-yx4ci He is absolute entertainer that's what I know. He is running a showman bussines so yes, you might be right "a bit" there but that's not the point. He's at least 90 percent right. Yone guy is happy and accepting the situation. If there was a debate, iOki already won that. I feel you, iOki is one of the most annoying players :) but I respect him for being the most patient Lol player and no mattter what he continues to ertertain us. iOki is like a cold pool or sea, you get use to it when you jump into it.
@@Cp-yx4ci Of course not. yet we are not in court.
@@Cp-yx4ci no dude, not at all. things are not black and white here. Don't take things serious. I'm sure you got a point here but so what? Don't forget why we are here. There is no victim, just a good show.
"If more people were like him, NA would win Worlds" -- excellent last words for the video :)
Yone's actually such a good sport to hop in a call with you
yep he has my utmost respect
People see "Support" and they think "Henchman, Goon, Sidekick". Lost track of all the times I've been told Support doesn't matter, while simultaneously being blamed for everything.
The having to hit autos on minions to reduce Q is so unacknowledged that I have to repeat it every game to these ppl. Insanity that they won’t learn. Keep up the good fight
fucking facts! I've been in games, where I know I'm the least experienced player, standing next to the turret like...
If I move I'm going to get pinged but if I don't move I'm going to get pinged...
Best example of, life as a support player, get flamed left and right because they don't understand that you are doing the right thing, and they don't get to be the Star of the game. They get frustrated and look for someone to lash out on, and who's easiest to blame but support?
Love the content, I always watch you videos, on the channel and for fun squad, thanks god you guys stopped playing URF :D, but one for all seems fun. I learned a lot from you game plays, love that you explain so much while playing.
Great vid. Loved the explanation of your roam to mid. GOAT, baby!
Glad it was helpful!
@@Cp-yx4ci If you watch the explanation I had, it's all very sound reasoning for why I was mid. I'll write them again here for you -- 1) the wave was pushing away from our melee midlaner into a ranged midlaner, hard to crash alone and we want to play for the crash 2) he was the only lane vulnerable to a gank so I'm preventing that 3) playing for dive was possible if I landed W into his Q3 4) botlane was already crashed so there's no XP for me to get 5) sharing mid wave XP doesn't mean we split it 50/50, it's a net gain for our team's amount of experience if two people share it vs. 1 soaking all of it.
@@Cp-yx4ci You're wrong in assuming I haven't listened to your comments, I've read everything. Looks like we just disagree and view what happened within this video differently. That's okay, and I'm wishing you have a nice night brotha
I usually roam mid before grubs to help push so they can roam to grubs and they flame and never come grubs. Or if i roam to grubs my jungle doesn't even go anyways so i gotta waste time walking back. Terrible jungles this season
Just for the record, because you never stated the number: the team gets an overall 26.73% extra exp when sharing, so its still good for the game. Was a bit disappointed that he didnt apologise for the flame :D
He did admit he was completely wrong about it, and I don't necessarily need an apology so that's good enough for me! And he gave us all a great learning opportunity.
I've started saying sorry every single time I secure a kill.
Go carry support, do a penta and say sorry.
I went 7-0-2 as Morgana support. The MF flamed cause she was missing last hits or dying while I got 2v1s and kills
Lol ive just stared league not long ago and im already using my ultimate technique i used in dota. Mute every game. Dont talk, dont listen. Every call you make just pray. Every call you think your team is doing just based on your pure game sense. Im legit that shit helped me alot in dota. Hopefully itll help me in league when i get accustomed to the game
@@aceofspade2120i was pantheon sup, was 1v2 because my adc dont wanna fight. Got the kills and he said im griefing because i didnt let him get the kills 😂 i love playing sp but i hate playing with teammates. Idk how to strike the balance in league yet ngl
literally me
those 2 minutes of coaching probably prevented hundreds of toxic games, sometimes all it takes is realizing there's actual people behind champions
I'm looking forward to seeing him hit Master+ in a month
For anyone that mainly plays Jungle and Support...
I am so sorry.
Edit: Also, before 17:09, he was the only one that hasn't fed the enemy.
I played a game as Senna sup with a Yone adc, we left lane and he was 11/3 and just fed the rest of the game. That shows you the type of people you have to assist
my default setting is to treat adcs as nothing more than my attack dogs until they prove themselves to have more than room temp IQ
Thanks for showing this, the entitlement on most lol players who don't play support is insane, bad parenting
It should be obvious for everyone with some brain cells, that 2 players in 1 lane =/= splitting exp in half. If that was the case, when bot lane reaches lvl 6, the midlaner would be lvl 12 at the moment (or even higher due to the fact, that minion waves have shorter road to go to mid than to the side lanes). Such scenario literally NEVER happens!
21:00 Brand being at Baron would've made you so about to take it early enough
This is why I love you man. You're an angel.
idk about angel man hahahaha, but much love!
Appreciate you taking the time to teach! To many times I see streamers just flame. Nothing ruins the viewer experience atleast for me personally more than matching flame with flame. Keep doing you and I'll keep watching and throwing those 👍!
17:00 Yone leaves you alone to go die and the angry teammates blame you for being 1v3d... "this senna"
Dude as a jg main i feel your pain. People want you to be everywhere at the same time and if they lose lane 1v1 its your fault even though they solo died twice on my first clear while I'm pathing towards their lane. I have to mute all or I'd go insane
The delusional salt of your team this match is beyond ridiculous. Love your Senna matches as always and I especially needed to see a GSA pop off on my favorite champ because my day had been extremely shitty when you picked her. I know I don’t need to say it but I’d like to anyway - keep up the awesomeness.
I actually got out of 2 seasons hard stuck G4 to E4 by playing on mute all and dropped back to G4 by unmutting
I0ki, you ain't a demon on senna... you're the whole damn pandemonium
20:00 MF delays herself making a straight path to you whole you make a direct path to take cait ult.
Upon second inspection SHE STARTS GOING DOWN THE PATH INSTEAD AT THE LAST SECOND SO YOU CAN'T TAKE CAIT ULT FOR HER
Such an amazing video...I truly admire your resilience, I don't know how u didnt mute them...I cant handle the support job, Im new and it is so difficult to learn in such a highly toxic env.
As always love your content!
Best example that to win u have to mental gap ur own team, and not succumb to their toxicity.
When people start pinging or flaming me for no reason I always say in chat "seems like X don't know how to use their ping/chat, I'll just mute it to help them focus on the game"
Great video. Big shout out to that midlaner that came open-minded, took the jokes without being offended. I'm not sure people realize how minuscule this part of players (and people) he represents. And obviously, thank you for iOki. I'm a no name player stuck in bronze league and play from time to time to chill on lol for some years now. This last part of the video was so insightfull. I often focus on warding and providing opportunities as best as I can to my support but the explanation was so eye-opening for me. As I don't know what to look for, it gave me goals to look for in my modest progression.
I had second-hand tilt watching those teammates, but the ending was just so wonderful. What a positive outcome
Tank Senna worked really well for me playing ADC into Jinx/Alistair
now that's a rare case. I don't get on comms with randoms as a support but damn. You spilled some good knowledge on him and he was actually a nice guy, despite playing yone
@@Cp-yx4ci this rotate did not ruin yone's lane at all
@@Cp-yx4ciI know about the claims. I was just stating about this particular case. This yone's lane wasn't ruined by that roam
@@Cp-yx4cinah. I can't see how this rotate was a ruin. That's it mate. Chill.
@@Cp-yx4cii don't really care about your problem with this guy. I'm often not a fan of his actions neither. I was writing about a specific case of a rotate to help in a teamfight and crashing a wave, which was the reason for flame. I was not addressing anything other than that. Yes. I would advise you to chill :)
@@Cp-yx4ciok bud
As a support main, it's pretty easy to push without stealing creeps. Only rarely is it necessary to steal creeps, and you definitely indulge more than necessary because you feel you have to carry as the smurf, which is totally fine and I get that. It's not that hard to know where your place should be, but I do agree that carries are usually too stupid to understand when the support helping them shove mid for example is important and for their own good.
Nah, no one hates you.
We love supp.❤
As a senna main myself I totally understand the struggle i go through the same things you went through in this video all the time. Just let me help you..
I mean i mostly agree, but if you are playing support you should not ksteal if you see that your adc or mid can easily get the kill since most of the time the gold is more valuable on the sololaners/hypercarries, a whole nother point is ksecuring where the person could potentially get away. Obviously all that doesnt really matter when a challenger smurf is playing in pisslow but they dont know you are gonna carry and most of the time support just doesnt do that hence shouldnt take the kills
well support is usually the role new players first pick up, so they get generalized as someone to put blame too, but at the same time its also the role that also gets lots of praises too even if its just a heal to save someone
As a support main I am thankful you posted this!
Could’ve done with this session with the miss fortune lol but I think it would’ve been a lot longer
ioki you gotta try nauti, my build seems busted. You go aftershock, shield bash, second wind, revitalize nothing too fancy here. but also cheap shot and ingenious hunter. you rush for tabis and unending despair, take bloodsong, from there you slap some kaenic if they have some fed mages, if theyre weak just grab the mdef sunfire cape and then you build your supp items, maybe a frozen heart, finish it off with a sundered sky if you feel like it. Its so much fun. You basically hook them and solo kill with ignite or fight 1v3 long enough for your team to arrive.
As a Senna main myself, albeit at a drastically lower skill floor, it is unbearably common for me to experience negative attitude when I "Killsteal". I don't get ADCs, and I don't get junglers. That's about the entire story
Dunning-Kruger effect look it up. There are 2 graffics one if a group of competent people and the other is what I call general population, the one with the big belt curve.
Awesome carry i0ki, definettly the kind of games were I wonder how tf rito makes match-making when they give me these kind of teams like 4/5 games, while the solo-que enemy team coordinate 4 and 5 man ganks bot, and my laners still somehow loose their respective lane while the junglers is fixed on full-clear. I think the reason for the players toxicity is because, 5v5 lol has a limited amount of fun, and players play for fun more then for wins, especially in lower-elos, and this is why arena is such a good game, everyone can have fun, even when they are loosing. They also tend to be humans between the age of 18-30 years, getting home after a not-so-fun life and work-style, maybe most of them are single, and above all, the match-making of rito just sucks so much. I feel like if they just make players play with random players rather then considering a useless MMR system they would make a better job.
BTW I see toxic behavior for my 2nd role after support also, jungle, like it's my fault the top laner dies while I'm doing dragon and I ping him to be carefull of ganks because I see the enemy jungler top. These 2 roles must be the most flamed roles in the team, followed by ADC, mid and top.
I play all lanes and I most consistently see jungle derping their job the hardest. All of them are more concerned with JG exp than winning lanes or kill exp. Same jungles that never soak exp in lane.
@@BudgetNugsbro u are trolling with that statement. speaking as a jungle main with years of experience, they rly rly hard nerf exp gains from getting kills and we are seriously forced to farm a lot in season 14. same concept as this video, laners expect us to be everywhere but yet complain when we are behind, underlevelled and underfed. I started climbing when i played selfish hyper carry junglers instead of utility junglers for the team in the current season to diamond
great video man, this whole video hit the nail on the head with different viewpoints on the game
also
"if more ppl were like him NA would win worl- "
As a support it's so funny when I do a desperation roam and flip the losing game into a mega win but the whole time my team is kicking and screaming while I carry them through it all. I wish more people watched fundamentals tutorials instead of the tunnel vision on their exp gauge. Literally did this in my most recent match yesterday. I roam away from failed ADC to midlane. I go 5/0/13 as Yuumi..... secure drakes, tank towers down to 5% hp to save teammates multiple times on dives, pull their support mid due to pressure and kill her multiple times, pull their adc mid as well and double kill them and their support, cross map save our toplaner 1v3ing midlane with my redemption. It's scary how much I can accomplish if people simply let me go where I need to go. (also help me ward though cuz I'm Yuumi and never use teleport please)
"Pick something tanky pls,senna is useless."ye i get that a lot.I stopped playing support and switched to jungle and im actually doing fine.either khazix or amumu.
Why do you never get essense reaver? As senna gets lifesteal after 100% crit it increases your sustain and spell spamming
Great chill coaching. Truly the greatest support alive
Hilarious video I love watching these senna gameplays as an aspiring senna main myself
I tend to get a lot of bad adcs in low elo and they will run it down and then if I get kills I get blamed for their bad plays. I dare I steal their kills. I even pointed out to one guy how he couldn't even cs properly.
How did yone know that this is the stream of the senna in his team?
Did ioki send the channel name or somthing?
@@Cp-yx4ci thank you
I agree with the shared gold thing except for those times rengar flash ults for the KS. Pretty sure that's a net loss.
Yep was playing bard, got 3 kills not side then roamed for grubs and chimes. Adc somehow managed to die twice while we were 3 kills up, then blames me for roaming
everyone understands xp splitting grants slightly more total xp to the team but what supp players dont understand is that more gold and xp on one fed team member is way more valuable than splitting it with useless players even if it grants slightly more to the team. if you're playing mid correctly you wanna keep split xp to a minimum
the eclipse item path hit mee hard, every time i buy the worng item, that sucks
Guarantee yone ranks up with the advice since he does seem willing to learn.
Why'd you choose last stand over cutdown? And overgrowth over revitalize? And Triumph over PoM? I thought that stuff was locked in as best on her for those pages.
I took really bad runes this game, no excuses. I think I went with a premade page or something, but yeah all of those runes you named are NOT optimal for Senna.
The mf ults looked like Harry in dumb and dumber.
I don't think they necessarily hate supports, it's more of an ego boost, something like "I am the Top, mid, whatever, I am more important than you even if you have a big bounty, because unless you are able to kill or CC them for 5s you aren't as needed". I am not the first person to flash in front of an ally to protect them unless they are decently strong but people need to stop thinking that support are playing "for you", unless you're Yuumi you are most likely playing for the team and the game, not to kill the fed target
That fucking redemption arc at the end. ❤
im no where near as good as you, but yesterday i got yelled at for not defending base from a fed darius and a seperate point in game, a fed shyvana, while i got shit on as velkoz and cant really wave clear lol
Jungle is always the most flamed role, but support does get gapped hard in every game normally
Hey man could try the new mini rework galio full tank & full ap in sup
i play support because i like the verbal abuse
7:10 you don't understand, that 14 gold out of 3500 is going to matter so much!!!
apologize for making a mistake and also promise to do better bro its like not that hard to be perfect
what?
Dude it's mind boggling how much people can trigger you and heavily impact your mood, despite all the years you've been playing, also considering it's your job.
Imagine being this triggered while casually working through your day. A nightmare. Nonetheless you're right, but man, just click mute for your mental health.
This is why I only play sp when I have a friend in my party as an adc
I always thought the xp split was around 65/35 in favor of who executes the minion. No one should be mad about a few minions worth of xp getting split, especially since your support probably needs that xp badly. It’s a team oriented game that people play like a solo battle royale.
If you’re gonna play senna the best build for any adc and her . Is one I made that’s all around perfect . Bork, hydra , hurricane , wits and finish off with jak sho , speed boots and elixir of hp. Lethal tempo , presence , alacrity , last stand . Conditioning and overgrowth . Atk Spd, hp scale x2 also my Leona is the best lol
what kind of ultimate bravery build is this
Pride. As simple as that of why people aren't good at taking constructive criticism; if they take advice, that makes them lesser than the advice giver. Good on this dude though on the changed perspective and willingness to learn.
This makes the role so unenjoyable but it is part of the life unfortunately. I think the main issue when supporting and you get the last hit, is all of your 'carries' freaking out, even if they would die without the SUPPORT.
All supports can do is make them shine but if they suck and don't even try it's on them.
I am so terrible at Senna. . . I just can't figure out how to play her like you do. I main Karma, Zyra, and Maokai. I'd love to pick up an AD support, I just suck at them.
Playing support is the equivalent of babysitting 4 children that are throwing a tantrum at anything you do & everything is your fault 💀
I have a new strategy I am implementing for a while, where when people want to tell me how to play the game, I remember they are the greatest of all time and they are true winners who can 1v9 and they don't need me so I just leave the game and let them think about their awesomeness now. We need a support revolt. It is time for people to start being punished for their ignorance.
As someone who plays support like probs 95% of the time, it’s annoying when ppl flame you for doing ya job. Or in cases where you couldn’t of done anything cause ya adc decided "yeah I’ll tower dive that nautalis! Oh no I’ve been cc’d to death SUPPORT BAD EHY DIDNT YOU TAKE RHE TOWER"
like oh yea it’s my fault YOU chose to do a bad play and got messed up from it yeah yeah my fault
Excellent content. I'm usually not a fan of smurfing vids, but this is gold (the quality, not the elo) !
Would love to see more of this !
More to come!
@@Cp-yx4ci Not sure how this is gaslighting, what I told him was all very fundamentally solid but I would be happy to hear your take on the gameplay!
@@Cp-yx4ci I am always pretty open-minded to hearing other perspectives on the game, believe it or not. I frequently admit when I was wrong, or criticize even my own plays that go well. Always looking for little pockets of improvement. As for ending Grandmaster, yeah I just don't really care to grind ranked all that much. High ELO soloQ is really draining and typically lower quality games than norms. I think my other accomplishments (such as winning tournamnets) speaks to my ability as a player better.
@@Cp-yx4ci Ok man let's just agree to disagree and move on then
Tbh i admire ur patience
as a sup main i feel like this is our safe space to vent lmao
props to the yone for accepting the call fr
yep he has an improvement mindset, extremely rare and admirable!!
@@Cp-yx4ci Yeah totally understand your perspective. I do play in a high-agency carry playstyle (as seen in my champ picks like Pyke + Senna) but I also practice good fundamentals and try to preach them. The way I play in soloQ videos is also very different from the more team-based approach in competitive play, if you want to see be less greedy check out those videos! Much love man.
@@Cp-yx4ci Yeah I did a Jungle climb too, it was super fun check that content out if you're interested, was super fun! My favorite was BRIAR
i main Yone and always thank my jg or sup for helping me push, ESP if the jg is still alive and I'm low. I don't care about "splitting" a wave and plates, I'd rather do that than die and loose the entire wave. (also that Yone in your first game's build was AWEFUL, he prob went bork first to kite the Cait, but if he went Kraken first he would 100-0 her in a single combo, no need to kite a corpse, plus kraken has a way better build-path than bork. If he was laning against Irelia, yea bork first is actually necessary, but he wasnt against Irelia...needless to say, he had the IQ of a hazelnut and I'm sorry you had to deal with him, but know I would treat you like the great support you are, keep it up👍)
"Route Number A...." -he said, when he subtracted from his humongous brain, in all his honesty, in order to adequately address to the peasant brained Yone-
Everyone hates support and jungle. Its because jungle has so much influence early on the game and are so strong, that any time a laner loses without their jungler they blame the jungle more often than not. Support is just blamed by everyone because people view the role as being played by auto-fills or people not good enough to play other roles.
Why do you have Triumph, Last Stand and Overgrowth?
bad runes i think i took the automatically made one for this game
If more people were like him NA would win worlds. True on multiple levels. Having tens of thousands of good players in NA soloqueue would boost the region a ton.
He wasn’t going to do anything with that extra exp anyway, while ioki would 100% carry and he should have been able to tell that this support is good. I think solo laners should share exp.
This game is the *quintessence* of why I'm refusing to play support at the moment. Because Karma is my favorite champion and she's actually broken as a mid laner ATM.
Tbh: I can't last hit to save my life XD But at least you can waveclear once u got at least Forgotten Chapter. Still better than getting flamed for hard carrying the game as support all game long, when you win in the end