OUTSTANDING! I’ve was eager to see your build. Love that you did a Force build as that’s what I’m looking to do with this frame too. Really like the attention you put in to the cable and brake installation. I’m looking forward to seeing and hearing your ride review video. Well done!
Going to be patiently waiting for a longer term review on this frame. TT/Triathlon bike market is outrageous. I may go this route for my first tri bike as it would be significantly cheaper and probably better than what most of what is out on the used market. Another upside is spec-ing out the components to my liking vs buying whatever is out there and having to change stuff out. Awesome video!
@@klein-concept That is fine with me and I'm sure others can agree. I see so many chinese carbon frame builds/reviews but it is all road/gravel, nothing in the TT/triathlon space. Most of what is for sale on ali express is using the same mold but it is hard to know what is quality.
I have been waiting for this to come out since you got the frame. Eagerly checking back several times a week. Glad the asembly went smoothly for you with minimal problems. A little sanding of the brake faces seems like a good trade off for such quality at a good price. Also, that looks like an extremely high end cockpit area for a budget brand. Its pretty common for even expensive TT bikes to have really poorly designed cockpits, whether its just very exposed cable routing, cheap'ish armrests or poorly designed risers, etc... This really is pretty top notch. Hard to believe a budget brand would spec parts this good. I am now tempted to skip the name brand and go with this, especially since Velobuild seems to offer custom paint which I was going to have done anyway with the big brand (starting with a 'T').
Hehe glad you enjoyed this one and that it inspired you. Definitely seems like real good value for money so far. But i still need to ride it properly to see what i think of it. I agree that the cockpit feels pretty luxurious for that price point. 🤜🤛
Very promising. These bikes are all about bike fit. To push watts in that position, you have to have the right position, which means the right frame size, saddle fore aft, and, crucially, the right spacers at the front. What kind of adjustability is there in the front end?
@@pierrex3226 still need to find that position. In the front you remove and add spacers for the hight, move the whole arm rests front and back as well as space them out sideways separately. 🤜🤛
@@klein-concept ideally, make a shorter video on that topic. How much height can be adjusted (I assume you can't heighten the stem, right? Or can you? Because there's the question of the height of the skis, but also the height of the base bar), how much fore aft in the skis, whether there are ways to angle the skis (everybody is on praying mantis position now, ie sloping up at varying angles rather than horizontal bars), so typically there are flat spacers, and one or two angled spacers (horizontal, incline 1, incline 2). There's also the question of left and right spacing of the skis (maybe less critical for people on a budget). So if there's ample play in all dimensions, I think this frame is a win. I have done a lot of riding in really aero position, you don't need the stiffest frame or whatever. But you need a frame that lets you push watts in an aero position. A note on how annoying/easy it is to tweak the position over time having / without having to recable the whole bike every time would also be very helpful.
Quality is good, of course. But in my opinion, we already have a shit ton of ASMR style road related build content, and the previous style is much more enjoyable for me.
I agree with the comment. You have a great aesthetic, but this artsy build space is crowded. Your editorial is an advantage over the other creators. I watch your content a lot. Often playing builds in the background while I do other things. I bet I watched you yoleo/ltwoo 30 times. It inspired me to do a build myself, now my light carbon/ltwoo is my primary ride and I never touch my Canyon Ultimate/dura ace. Thanks for the TT bike.
I agree with this too. I feel your other build videos have an asmr vibe and I enjoy the talking/instruction always learn a little something. Great content by the way
@@phenderson68 i hear you. Thanks so much for sharing. Will bring back the proper in depth spoken builds. And glad to hear about your project. Thats what its all about 🤜🤛
Ein tolles Rad, herzlichen Glückwunsch. Bist du es gefahren? Ich weiß es ist schwer 1:1 zu vergleichen - aber „lohnt“ es sich vom Speed her gegenüber eines normalen Aerobikes? Hast Du evtl Vergleichsfahrten gemacht? Bei 1-2km/h Unterschied an der Schwelle wäre mir wahrscheinlich die Investition doch noch zu hoch. BTW: Mechanische Scheibenbremsen - Möglich bei den Radien? Liebe Grüße
Danke dir. Bin nur einmal damit kurz rausgefahren und hab gemerkt die aero position war noch zu ungewohnt. Also erstmal für den winter auf dem trainer üben. Denke mechanische bremsen könnten funktionieren. 🤜🤛
Juuuuunge was eine geile Karre! 🎉 Tempelhofer Feld here we come... Ich bin sehr verlockt, aber mein Fuji norcom straight strotzt eig bereits... Mit 3d Druck und pipapo. Ich brauche kein neues Bike! Oder?
Again,a fantastic build. A couple of queries. 1 bars from velobuild available on their website? 2.why 2x? 3 blips housing can you share link? 4 stem- specific to frame? Thanks again
Hey, thank you. Let me answer your questions. 1. Only with the frame as far as i know but you could write them and ask 2. Thats the chainring i had 3. Dont seem to find the original link but these work too: leapcomponents.com/product/wireless-blips-tt-mounts/ 4. Yes the stem is made for that frame 🤜🤛
Sorry wenn ich gerade alle deine Videos kommentiere, hahaha. Da ich nun bereits das dritte oder vierte Build-Video angesehen habe, vielleicht eine Frage für jemanden, der ebenfalls mehr DIY machen möchte. Mit welchem der Rahmen (Winspace, Velobuild, Yoeleo) hattest du in Sachen Qualität und beim Zusammenbau den besten Eindruck? Kann mich gerade nicht wirklich entscheiden, weil die teilweise auch preislich sehr außeinander liegen. Danke vorab! :)
It is a bit difficult to say as i had a lot of components already but i would say it should be possible to build this up all in for around 2500 euro i think. I ve seen in some video there will be an ltwoo tt group coming so that should make it even a bit cheaper.
Oh du hast mir mit dem Video so einen krassen Floh ins Ohr gesetzt. Ich schwanke jetzt zwischen deinem Velobuild, dem TT912 von Tantan und dem Workswell T-207. So viele Fragen: Hast du Erfahrung mit Importsteuern bei Velobuild? Ist der Rahmen steif genug? Weißt du ob die Speed Concept Flasche in den Rahmen passt, da es ja ein Nachbau zu sein scheint? Bekommst du Winkelspacer beim Rahmen mit dazu?
@@GrouEEf hehe bin das rad leider noch nicht wirklich gefahren. Muss mich erstmal zuhause an die position gewöhnen. Ob die flaschen passen kann ich dir leider nicht sagen. Es sind nur normale flache spacer dabei. Müsstest also mal bei velobuild anfragen ob die auch winkel haben. 🤜🤛
Another high quality production from you :) i really like the moody ambient light you are using. But i have to agree with @moonshinerfrog613 i like your commentend bike build videos a bit more since there really is an overflow of asmr bike builds on YT. Anyways i would still watch them if you decided to stick to this style. On the bike: wow! That frame is so chonky. But in a good way. The thick headtube and downtube section with the truncated aerofoil profile looks so good. I'd love to see it in the flesh. At first I thought the wheels are way too shallow for the overall aesthetics of the bike, but then i remembered that you will probably ride it on Tempelhofer Feld where cross winds can be lethal. So these wheels are a sensible choice i guess. Stoked to hear your riding impressions
Thank you. Yes wanted to give this moody style a try. Wanted to mix things up a bit. Lets see if this will stay or not. Was definitely fun to record. Regarding the wheels you are very right. It could use deeper wheels but like you say. It will be ridden on Tempelhofer Feld. So needed to make it as little of a sail as possible 🫶
Looks great. But there are some triggers for me: different rotors, saddle pointing downwards, upper screw of the bottle cage is way too long and finally, purely based on optics: you need to install an oversized pulley system 😅
Epic new whip. Love seeing some focus getting put on the sport of time trialing, which at least here in the US is a dying specialty. Does this mean you'll be competing in some local TTs? It'd be incredible to get some race recaps / footage if you do those!
@@klein-concept Absolutely - it's an inherently unstable position that puts your power-producing muscles out of balance. You're also way further over the bottom bracket so it can be a bit twitchy. If you're struggling, I'd highly suggest visiting a bike fitter to get you dialed in. Once you find a position where your body is stable and elongated, something will "click" and suddenly you'll feel rock solid and you will start riding really fast. Maybe there's a whole content series about this?! :)
Hi, in your opinion is it possible to route the Di2 cables internally through aero bars without routing the cable outside? I'm considering doing a similar build with SW-R9160 switches on the ends of aero bars but would also want to keep it as clean as possible
@@kacperwisniewski7199 might still take a while as getting used to a tt position wasnt as easy as i thought and now i needed the groupset on another bike. Will be waiting for the new L Twoo tt group for this.
I have not had time to ride it yet as i need to get used to an aero position still. Overall its a good frame if you are ok with a bit of tinkering and trying to dial in the torque values yourself.
Hallo, um es mit den unsterblichen Worten von Ralf Richter im Film Bang Boom Bang als Kalle Grabowski zu sagen „Ist der geil. Junge, ich sach dir: Da trittst du nur einmal ganz vorsichtig aufs (Gas)Pedal. Und bäng, hast du die Schallmauer durchbrochen“ Die Musikalisch Untermalung ist vorzüglich🙏.
Immer gerne. Leider ist das schon da höchste mit den mitgegebenen spacern. Den winkel kann man auch nicht einstellen. Nur den abstand der schalen untereinander.
I didnt intend to watch the entire video, but it was very interesting. That frame is chinese? It seems to be a pretty good quality and the parts came together very well. Only a little file on the rear brake hydraulic holes? Will this be your bike or will you sell it to a customer?
Hehe glad it got you hooked. Yes it is a direct Chinese frame. Yes so far it only needed work on the rear brake. It will be my bike so will report more on it soon. 🤜🤛
Lovely build,frame and bars price and which bars?also can you share the 3d printed blips housing file?no need for front derailleur just a 56t chainring ,and would look awesome with a disc,Thanks
The frame is 1099 USD with the bars. somehow i can not find the blib holders. I ordered them somewhere online. will comment here when i find where i ordered them.
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Love this Vid Build! Love the music and lighting! Awesome! 😎💯👍
Thanks a lot 🫶
How about a mini series "how to built up a bike?" Your steel frame built up was pretty detailed. I need this with modern components (disc brake)
Did you have a look at my Standert Triebwerk build. That is disc and pretty detailed as well 🫶
You did a great job lovely machine 👍👌
Thanks a lot 🤜🤛
OUTSTANDING!
I’ve was eager to see your build. Love that you did a Force build as that’s what I’m looking to do with this frame too.
Really like the attention you put in to the cable and brake installation.
I’m looking forward to seeing and hearing your ride review video.
Well done!
Thanks so much. Sounds like you have a fun project ahead of you as well. 🤜🤛
I would be interested in knowing what your budget was for this bike?
Shifters look super nice.... Brake levers maybe less so. Love the paint....
I agree. The brake design is a bit clunky 🫣
😍 what a rocket! 🚀Beautiful relaxing video 🤟🏻😁
Thanks a lot. Glad you enjoyed it 🤜🤛
Going to be patiently waiting for a longer term review on this frame. TT/Triathlon bike market is outrageous. I may go this route for my first tri bike as it would be significantly cheaper and probably better than what most of what is out on the used market. Another upside is spec-ing out the components to my liking vs buying whatever is out there and having to change stuff out. Awesome video!
Thank you. I think it will take some time for the review video. I realized i need to properly get used to the position on the bike first 🫣
@@klein-concept That is fine with me and I'm sure others can agree. I see so many chinese carbon frame builds/reviews but it is all road/gravel, nothing in the TT/triathlon space. Most of what is for sale on ali express is using the same mold but it is hard to know what is quality.
If to re willing to put in the work and experiment with torque settings a bit i think Velobuild offers some good deals here.
I have been waiting for this to come out since you got the frame. Eagerly checking back several times a week. Glad the asembly went smoothly for you with minimal problems. A little sanding of the brake faces seems like a good trade off for such quality at a good price.
Also, that looks like an extremely high end cockpit area for a budget brand. Its pretty common for even expensive TT bikes to have really poorly designed cockpits, whether its just very exposed cable routing, cheap'ish armrests or poorly designed risers, etc... This really is pretty top notch. Hard to believe a budget brand would spec parts this good.
I am now tempted to skip the name brand and go with this, especially since Velobuild seems to offer custom paint which I was going to have done anyway with the big brand (starting with a 'T').
Hehe glad you enjoyed this one and that it inspired you. Definitely seems like real good value for money so far. But i still need to ride it properly to see what i think of it.
I agree that the cockpit feels pretty luxurious for that price point. 🤜🤛
Very promising. These bikes are all about bike fit. To push watts in that position, you have to have the right position, which means the right frame size, saddle fore aft, and, crucially, the right spacers at the front. What kind of adjustability is there in the front end?
@@pierrex3226 still need to find that position. In the front you remove and add spacers for the hight, move the whole arm rests front and back as well as space them out sideways separately. 🤜🤛
@@klein-concept ideally, make a shorter video on that topic. How much height can be adjusted (I assume you can't heighten the stem, right? Or can you? Because there's the question of the height of the skis, but also the height of the base bar), how much fore aft in the skis, whether there are ways to angle the skis (everybody is on praying mantis position now, ie sloping up at varying angles rather than horizontal bars), so typically there are flat spacers, and one or two angled spacers (horizontal, incline 1, incline 2). There's also the question of left and right spacing of the skis (maybe less critical for people on a budget).
So if there's ample play in all dimensions, I think this frame is a win. I have done a lot of riding in really aero position, you don't need the stiffest frame or whatever. But you need a frame that lets you push watts in an aero position.
A note on how annoying/easy it is to tweak the position over time having / without having to recable the whole bike every time would also be very helpful.
Quality is good, of course. But in my opinion, we already have a shit ton of ASMR style road related build content, and the previous style is much more enjoyable for me.
Thanks a lot for the feedback. This is exactly what i am looking for to understand what style is most enjoyable to you. Noted 🤜🤛
I agree with the comment. You have a great aesthetic, but this artsy build space is crowded. Your editorial is an advantage over the other creators.
I watch your content a lot. Often playing builds in the background while I do other things. I bet I watched you yoleo/ltwoo 30 times.
It inspired me to do a build myself, now my light carbon/ltwoo is my primary ride and I never touch my Canyon Ultimate/dura ace.
Thanks for the TT bike.
I agree with this too. I feel your other build videos have an asmr vibe and I enjoy the talking/instruction always learn a little something. Great content by the way
@@phenderson68 i hear you. Thanks so much for sharing. Will bring back the proper in depth spoken builds.
And glad to hear about your project. Thats what its all about 🤜🤛
@@kawabus thank you. Good point. Will bring the learning back. This will not turn into an ASMR channel 😂😂
what a bike! also, bike build wearing all white, madlad
Haha living on the edge 🫶
Ein tolles Rad,
herzlichen Glückwunsch.
Bist du es gefahren? Ich weiß es ist schwer 1:1 zu vergleichen - aber „lohnt“ es sich vom Speed her gegenüber eines normalen Aerobikes? Hast Du evtl Vergleichsfahrten gemacht? Bei 1-2km/h Unterschied an der Schwelle wäre mir wahrscheinlich die Investition doch noch zu hoch.
BTW: Mechanische Scheibenbremsen - Möglich bei den Radien?
Liebe Grüße
Danke dir. Bin nur einmal damit kurz rausgefahren und hab gemerkt die aero position war noch zu ungewohnt. Also erstmal für den winter auf dem trainer üben.
Denke mechanische bremsen könnten funktionieren. 🤜🤛
Juuuuunge was eine geile Karre! 🎉 Tempelhofer Feld here we come... Ich bin sehr verlockt, aber mein Fuji norcom straight strotzt eig bereits... Mit 3d Druck und pipapo. Ich brauche kein neues Bike! Oder?
Hehe danke. Na glaube mit deinem bist du auch schon gut ausgestattet ... oder? 😂😂😂
Again,a fantastic build.
A couple of queries.
1 bars from velobuild available on their website?
2.why 2x?
3 blips housing can you share link?
4 stem- specific to frame?
Thanks again
Hey, thank you. Let me answer your questions.
1. Only with the frame as far as i know but you could write them and ask
2. Thats the chainring i had
3. Dont seem to find the original link but these work too: leapcomponents.com/product/wireless-blips-tt-mounts/
4. Yes the stem is made for that frame
🤜🤛
@@klein-concept how did it ride any observations? total cost of build? looking at something similar
Sorry wenn ich gerade alle deine Videos kommentiere, hahaha. Da ich nun bereits das dritte oder vierte Build-Video angesehen habe, vielleicht eine Frage für jemanden, der ebenfalls mehr DIY machen möchte. Mit welchem der Rahmen (Winspace, Velobuild, Yoeleo) hattest du in Sachen Qualität und beim Zusammenbau den besten Eindruck? Kann mich gerade nicht wirklich entscheiden, weil die teilweise auch preislich sehr außeinander liegen. Danke vorab! :)
Hehe immer her mit den kommentaren. Muss sagen dass glaube das Winspace von allen am saubersten rüberkommt. Das Yoeleo war aber sehr nah dran.
@@klein-concept Ah ok. Ich hatte irgendwie den gleichen Eindruck bei Anschauen der diversen Rahmen. Ok…erst mal ein wenig Werkzeug und dann los. 😬
you said "TT on a budget" can we have the part list to have a idea of the total cost pls ?
It is a bit difficult to say as i had a lot of components already but i would say it should be possible to build this up all in for around 2500 euro i think.
I ve seen in some video there will be an ltwoo tt group coming so that should make it even a bit cheaper.
@@klein-concept ok thanks
Oh du hast mir mit dem Video so einen krassen Floh ins Ohr gesetzt.
Ich schwanke jetzt zwischen deinem Velobuild, dem TT912 von Tantan und dem Workswell T-207.
So viele Fragen: Hast du Erfahrung mit Importsteuern bei Velobuild? Ist der Rahmen steif genug? Weißt du ob die Speed Concept Flasche in den Rahmen passt, da es ja ein Nachbau zu sein scheint? Bekommst du Winkelspacer beim Rahmen mit dazu?
@@GrouEEf hehe bin das rad leider noch nicht wirklich gefahren. Muss mich erstmal zuhause an die position gewöhnen. Ob die flaschen passen kann ich dir leider nicht sagen.
Es sind nur normale flache spacer dabei. Müsstest also mal bei velobuild anfragen ob die auch winkel haben. 🤜🤛
@@klein-concept danke dir vielmals! Ich freue mich aufs erste Fazit!
Another high quality production from you :) i really like the moody ambient light you are using. But i have to agree with @moonshinerfrog613 i like your commentend bike build videos a bit more since there really is an overflow of asmr bike builds on YT. Anyways i would still watch them if you decided to stick to this style.
On the bike: wow! That frame is so chonky. But in a good way. The thick headtube and downtube section with the truncated aerofoil profile looks so good. I'd love to see it in the flesh. At first I thought the wheels are way too shallow for the overall aesthetics of the bike, but then i remembered that you will probably ride it on Tempelhofer Feld where cross winds can be lethal. So these wheels are a sensible choice i guess. Stoked to hear your riding impressions
Thank you. Yes wanted to give this moody style a try. Wanted to mix things up a bit. Lets see if this will stay or not. Was definitely fun to record.
Regarding the wheels you are very right. It could use deeper wheels but like you say. It will be ridden on Tempelhofer Feld. So needed to make it as little of a sail as possible 🫶
looks good how would it have been if you were using a mechanical group set ?
@@geoffreymccann2841 i think routing the cables would not have been too much fun 🫣
May I ask how tall you are and what size you ended up getting? I ride a 56 tarmac and I was looking at getting a Large for this frame.
I am around 1.86 and i the frame i got was an M size. 🤜🤛
Looks great. But there are some triggers for me: different rotors, saddle pointing downwards, upper screw of the bottle cage is way too long and finally, purely based on optics: you need to install an oversized pulley system 😅
Hehe all valid points. Still needs some fine tuning 🤜🤛
Just for once, handlebar cable routing looks straightforward, though cutting the fork just right must have been tricky.
Was way easier than i thought it would be. Guess not having to route cable shifters also helped a lot.
Can you install a mechanical groupset on this frame?
Yes i think that should work as well 🤜🤛
Epic new whip. Love seeing some focus getting put on the sport of time trialing, which at least here in the US is a dying specialty. Does this mean you'll be competing in some local TTs? It'd be incredible to get some race recaps / footage if you do those!
Glad you like it. First i need to learn how to ride in this crazy position. Its not as easy as i would have thought. Lets talk once i m there 😂😂
@@klein-concept Absolutely - it's an inherently unstable position that puts your power-producing muscles out of balance. You're also way further over the bottom bracket so it can be a bit twitchy. If you're struggling, I'd highly suggest visiting a bike fitter to get you dialed in. Once you find a position where your body is stable and elongated, something will "click" and suddenly you'll feel rock solid and you will start riding really fast. Maybe there's a whole content series about this?! :)
Good idea regarding a bike fit for this. Guess here it will make a big difference.
Hi, in your opinion is it possible to route the Di2 cables internally through aero bars without routing the cable outside? I'm considering doing a similar build with SW-R9160 switches on the ends of aero bars but would also want to keep it as clean as possible
@@kacperwisniewski7199 yes i think routing the small di2 cables will be no problem 🤜🤛
@@klein-concept thanks for the response, great to hear! Is there a review coming for this TT machine? :)
@@kacperwisniewski7199 might still take a while as getting used to a tt position wasnt as easy as i thought and now i needed the groupset on another bike. Will be waiting for the new L Twoo tt group for this.
@@klein-concept sure, have fun then!
What is the bike like? Looking to build one myself! Any suggestions please?
I have not had time to ride it yet as i need to get used to an aero position still. Overall its a good frame if you are ok with a bit of tinkering and trying to dial in the torque values yourself.
Hallo, um es mit den unsterblichen Worten von Ralf Richter im Film Bang Boom Bang als Kalle Grabowski zu sagen „Ist der geil. Junge, ich sach dir: Da trittst du nur einmal ganz vorsichtig aufs (Gas)Pedal. Und bäng, hast du die Schallmauer durchbrochen“
Die Musikalisch Untermalung ist vorzüglich🙏.
Hahahahahahahha. Zu geil. Danke dir 🤜🤛
How does feel to ride that is the big question :)
Still need some time to get used to the aero position. 😂😂😂
How aero is that aerobar? I am seeing blunt surfaces on the underside.
Its mainly the screws that are sticking out and maybe making it less aero. Lets see if i can find more flat headed ones. 🤜🤛
@@klein-concept 5:35 I just thought the base of that aerobar should have been more aero. Overall a very nice bike.
@@robo080888 thank you. Yes it is pretty blocky 🫣
hi! love the paintjob on this!!! thinking of getting one. Is it also mechanical groupset compatible?
@@aaroiseverything thank you. Glad you like it 🤜🤛
Yes a mechanical groupset will also work.
Danke. Das passt perfekt. Überlege gerade einen sehr ähnlichen Aufbau. Ist es möglich die Extensions noch höher und steiler zu stellen?
Immer gerne. Leider ist das schon da höchste mit den mitgegebenen spacern. Den winkel kann man auch nicht einstellen. Nur den abstand der schalen untereinander.
I didnt intend to watch the entire video, but it was very interesting. That frame is chinese? It seems to be a pretty good quality and the parts came together very well. Only a little file on the rear brake hydraulic holes? Will this be your bike or will you sell it to a customer?
Hehe glad it got you hooked. Yes it is a direct Chinese frame. Yes so far it only needed work on the rear brake. It will be my bike so will report more on it soon. 🤜🤛
Beautifull video! Can i ask you what size is the frame?
Tks
Thank you. I think its an L sized frame 🤜🤛
Lovely build,frame and bars price and which bars?also can you share the 3d printed blips housing file?no need for front derailleur just a 56t chainring ,and would look awesome with a disc,Thanks
The frame is 1099 USD with the bars. somehow i can not find the blib holders. I ordered them somewhere online. will comment here when i find where i ordered them.
@@klein-concept great build
@@johnnyboy4711 thanks a lot 🤜🤛
Yoo will you ever test out the chinese bike GPS computers? Like the Magene c606 and igs800
I talk about the C606 here th-cam.com/video/6Kocdkzb7r8/w-d-xo.html
Was hast du denn für die force gelöhnt? Asking for a friend.... Ich baue natürlich nicht gleich wieder ein neues Rad. Zwinkersmiley...
Hab die force von meinem alten rad runter genommen. 🫣
@@klein-concept und die Bremsen hast du dann extra dazu gekauft? Ich checke gerade was mich das so kosten würde...
Genau. Dir Bremshebel hab ich dann auf kleinanzeigen gesucht. Blibs zum schalten hab ich neu gekauft.
mega... darf ich aufm feld mal probefahren? :)
Ja klar. Jederzeit
How about the ride ? :)
@@OlivierH93 didnt have time yet and on the first ride i noticed i need to train the position a bit first at home.