@@bobbyrice2858 God's justice is redemptive rather than merely punitive. Rather than focusing on a definitive list, I'd encourage you to engage in ongoing self-examination, guided by Scripture, tradition, reason, and experience.
@@jakedickerson well my obstacle is i think very logical. I tend to lean on an absolute rule outside my judgment rather than my own mind which i've noticed is very wicked and corrupt. I don't land on the best choices in life trying to define my own "right and wrong" by means of reason, experience and self examination. Wouldn't we need to appeal to a higher authority outside our own will? For example wouldn't the bible be "enough" to guide us out of sin? sorry for the 30 questions. thank you for patience. Like, would things like idolatry, adulterers, or theft, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, swindlers be apart of that class of human that wouldn't go to heaven?
Hi Everyone. Ok. Here is what SALVATION is all about. We come as we are, and GOD Accepts us as we are, in our sin nature. HOWEVER, you are disobeying GOD if you think you can STAY in your sin. THAT IS PRIDE! GOD HATES PRIDE !!! No matter what sin we commit, we are to confess this to GOD, and let THE HOLY SPIRIT change you. You can't remain in your rebellious sin any longer, and believe you will be Saved !!
For decades I was open to the Holy Spirit to change my sexual orientation. I prayed for years to be changed, I studied scripture to understand, I was subjected to torturous aversion therapy to change my desires, and I was forced to go to therapy that demeaned my personhood and told me I was going to hell unless I changed. For decades I was celibate and I pretended I was straight, but trough all those years Jesus never saw fit to change me; rather, Jesus loved me, embraced me, led me to good therapists and other loving Christians who helped me to realize that God made gay and loved me just the way I am … that being gay wasn’t an identity that bothered Jesus, or a sinful behavior so long as it was lived within the marriage covenant. And, to that end, Jesus gave me a beautiful, loving, affirming, gracious, and moral man to love and cherish in marriage. God blessed our marriage, and has also blessed our affirming ministry to and with the LGBTQ community.
@@revneal I have to say something here. First of all, everybody sins. Even born-again Christians. Homosexuality is no different than any other sin in the general sense (lying, stealing, etc.). The problem is that when we say: "God didn't change me" or "God made me gay", we are saying that God made us sinners. If you don't agree that homosexuality is wrong, I urge you to look at Scripture. The Bible says that homosexual acts are wrong, there is simply no debate. What is NOT a sin is temptation (Jesus Himself was tempted). The sin is GIVING IN to the temptations. When we are saved through faith, we are redeemed indeed, but our sin does not vanish from our flesh, and the flesh is weak. We must die to our sin and not conform to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of our minds (Romans 12:2). I'm sorry the church has mistreated you. But homosexual union is, by biblical definition, not a marriage. Jesus Himself said this in Mark 10: "But from the beginning of the creation God made them MALE AND FEMALE. FOR THIS CAUSE shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be ONE FLESH: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.". As the Bible says, same-sex union is a violation of the natural order. Therefore, it is sin. HOWEVER, there is salvation in Jesus Christ. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and cleanses us of all unrighteousness.". God WILL forgive you of ANY sin, if you repent and believe in His power to heal all affliction, "For whoever calls upon the name of the LORD shall be saved". Peace and blessings be on you, friend.
@yamatee5699 What you say here is inaccurate for several reasons. Firstly, people in Greco-Roman Palestine had no concept of homosexuality as a sexual orientation, and people in the Bronze Age even less so. That's because sex wasn't a consensual expression of love but something people did to others: specifically, something men did to women. This is why we have prohibitions about "lying with a man as with a woman"; for men to take a subordinate position (literally) was to violate a hierarchy of domination and penetration. (This was equally true of men who assumed the passive position with their own wives.) Also, the quotation from Jesus is entirely about divorce and nothing whatever to do with who was supposed to participate in a relationship.
First off the marriage covenant is only between 1 man and 1 woman. Yes there was polygamy blah blah. So you were fighting your sin(celibate for years? Good job that is the right thing). And then you found some fools that co-signed your sins as actually good? Wow how surprising… you could find people to say doing heroin is good and from God(I did)…. You could find people that say ped0philia is good and from God. SO WHAT? US MEN ARE FALLABLE. The scriptures from God/Christ are clear. It is sin, it will drag you to hell and God will say “get away from me you worker on inequity!” Especially you leading a phony Gay Protestant “church”. Go to a real church. The Holy Orthodox Church. Crucify your flesh, pick up your cross. Become a hermit or a monk….SAVE YOUR SOUL. FEAR GOD!!!! For the demons do and they tremble
@@revnealHe changed mine.(Sexual desires/orientation) I see some Christians who have turned and repented from this sin (anything LGBTQ related) but they daily crucify their flesh in this area and flee from the temptation. I pray God does for them what He did for me. I asked God to change my desires and a friend prayed for me to hate what He hates. Those unnatural desires went away for me during prayer and fasting as well as pornography use. He hates sin and He did not give you your gay marriage. I look back on my time with the same sex with disgust now and I'd never want to go back to it. Maybe you were being called to live celibate or maybe if you had kept waiting on the Lord, He would have changed your desires too. I get it's hard not to get weary in waiting seasons. You were supposed to flee from that temptation, not yolk it to your identity and decide that's who you are. It'd be like an alcoholic being tempted to drink and then saying well I guess this is just who I am and it can't be helped. And ppl coached you and told you it was ok to pick up the bottle..
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. Anyone who does not repent of their LGBTQ tendencies and choose Christ alone in faith alone will perish in hell. And friends as a believer in Christ I do not isolate those particular acts as their own abomination. For it is also written that those who cheat on their wife and sleep around and commit heterosexual sexual immorality are also perishing. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be DECEIVED. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, [10] nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. God does not separate anything apart from the other and puts them all together as equally damning.
@@bobbyrice2858 The idea of sin is an illusion, a result of the mind's mistaken belief in separation from God. We are not separate from God. You are not separate from Love unless you perceive yourself to be. Sin does not exist in reality, but rather in our perception. Sin is lack of love or the perception that you could lack love or connection to God; God IS Love. Therefore, the concept of justice for sin would be a misperception, as sin itself is a false perception rather than a real offense. Focus on forgiveness and the correction of perception to see beyond the illusion of sin and recognize the inherent innocence and goodness of all beings. Sin is missing the mark, the mark is love, thus if you hold no judgments you are without sin and with love. God bless.
@@rainbowofboxes8021 Is the Christian Bible the final authority of God or us? Why should i focus on forgiveness and correction if sin doesn't exist? Why can't i just live how i want and be what i want? If there is no final absolute defined authority than how does one become accountable outside our own thoughts and opinions? "if you hold no judgments you are without sin and with love. " if there is not sin then how can i be without something that doesn't exist?
@@bobbyrice2858 Forgiveness and correction is not aimed at addressing specific acts of sin, as sin is an illusion of the mind. Forgiveness and correction are necessary for undoing the separation that we have believed to exist between ourselves and God. When we forgive, we release the barriers that we have placed between us and the Divine, allowing us to return to our true, loving, and unified state. Thus, forgiveness and correction serve to correct our perception of separation with God.
As a pastor, God's WORD is FINAL and should be Ur opinion. What does your bible tell U? What do U preach to ppl? Pls read Ur bible to know it. Sweet talking doesn't make U Christian. Pls lead ppl right. Jesus doesn't deserve this. I pray for U to know the true God. God bless U.
In this world, Christians can be Christians in two senses. One sense is when they are part of the visible Church, when they are baptized, and this is shared by elect and non-elect alike. The other sense is when a person is effectually called by the Spirit of God, baptized by Him into the number of the regenerate. This latter sense is the only sense that is salvific. Just as an unfaithful man can be objectively a husband, so an unregenerate man can be objectively a Christian -meaning that he can be part of the visible Church. You can be Christian and be Gay. But you cannot be redeemed and changed by God. In Practice you can follow his commandments and never know Grace through Faith nor the chastisement of the Father as children of God.
In this world, Christians can be Christians in two senses. One sense is when they are part of the visible Church, when they are baptized, and this is shared by elect and non-elect alike. The other sense is when a person is effectually called by the Spirit of God, baptized by Him into the number of the regenerate. This latter sense is the only sense that is salvific. Just as an unfaithful man can be objectively a husband, so an unregenerate man can be objectively a Christian -meaning that he can be part of the visible Church. You can be Christian and be Gay. But you cannot be redeemed and changed by God. In Practice you can follow his commandments and never know Grace through Faith nor the chastisement of the Father as children of God.
@@HillbillyBlack - And, yet, I and so many like me absolutely know and experience prevenient, justifying, and sanctifying grace in our lives as we live by faith in Jesus and trust fully in his atoning sacrifice for our salvation. Your judgment on this matter is beyond your position or spiritual authority to make.
@@revneal Grace is never the problem. Paul says explicitly that ALL are partakers of Grace my friend. But not all are partakers of Grace THROUGH faith, which is the point. This is where theology bewilders your unregenerate mind. What you can't see you manifest creatively. This is why we have Mormons. I've watched a few of your sermons. You neither know nor understand scripture for these are spiritual things you cannot understand as someone lost without the spirit of God. Every theological attempt is titled with your self in mind to justify yourself vs speaking how you are justified in Christ for the contrite brokenness of sin. A concept biblical in instruction and lost in understanding to the faithless who are hell bent on living their life and bending Christ around their needs. The problem lays with how morality is perceived. Can you as a "gay Christian" rationalize morality outside preference? Even as a "gay Christian" you cannot see past a preference faith. If you can rationalize morality outside preference, then you can see truth without blinders. That said, what is the biblical meaning of loving your neighbor as yourself? Is it unconditional and universal acceptance? I don't except everything about myself. I certainly don't love my self unconditionally. I impose expectations upon myself. You see, when we tolerate everything, nothing is limited including illogical reasoning and preference morality. Make a biblical MORAL argument to support your case. If I'm not "qualified" and you are as a "pastor" then as a pastor make a pastoral biblical case for your position.
@@HillbillyBlack You said: "In this world, Christians can be Christians in two senses. One sense is when they are part of the visible Church, when they are baptized, and this is shared by elect and non-elect alike. The other sense is when a person is effectually called by the Spirit of God, baptized by Him into the number of the regenerate." This is an error because: 1. The distinction between the "visible" and "invisible" Church is a theological concept found in certain Christian traditions, particularly Reformed theology. However, the statement oversimplifies this distinction and presents it as a universally accepted concept, which it is not. 2. Baptism incorporates individuals into both the visible community and the spiritual reality of the Church. 3. By introducing the idea of "elect and non-elect," the statement aligns with a Calvinist perspective of predestination, which is not universally accepted in Christianity. This excludes all Christian traditions that emphasize free will and the universal offer of salvation. 4. The statement implies that baptism is a mere formality for the "non-elect," which undermines the whole of Christian tradition which understands that baptism is a sacrament conveying real spiritual grace (1 Peter 3:21). 5. The New Testament presents baptism as an important step of faith and obedience for all believers (Matthew 28:19-20), not just a symbolic act for some. 6. By dividing baptized individuals into "elect" and "non-elect," the statement overlooks the unity that baptism signifies within the Christian community (Ephesians 4:4-6). You said: "This latter sense is the only sense that is salvific." This is an error because: 1. Claiming that only those who are "effectually called" and "baptized by [the Spirit] into the number of the regenerate" are saved presents a narrow view of salvation that excludes many believers, and actually implies that the majority of Christians, past, present, and future will not experience true salvation. 2. Christianity teaches that salvation is available to all who have faith in Jesus Christ (John 3:16, Romans 10:13). Limiting salvation to a predetermined group undermines the message of the Gospel being accessible to all. 3. For the majority of Christian history, baptism has been understood as instrumental in salvation. The statement dismisses this by implying that baptism without being among the "elect" is ineffective. Furthermore, the idea that Baptism does not itself convey justifying grace is an error rooted in a poor translation of the story of the Ethiopian Eunuch from the Textus Receptus. You said: "Just as an unfaithful man can be objectively a husband, so an unregenerate man can be objectively a Christian-meaning that he can be part of the visible Church." This is an error because: 1. Comparing an unfaithful husband to an unregenerate Christian is misleading. Marriage is a legal and social contract, while Christian identity involves a personal relationship with God based on faith and transformation. 2. The analogy reduces the profound spiritual journey of a Christian to merely holding a title or position within an organization, neglecting the inner transformation emphasized in Christian teachings. 3. This comparison may itself imply that external affiliation with the Church is sufficient for Christian identity, which contradicts the belief that genuine faith involves both inward belief and outward expression. Though, I understand your superimposition of the term "Christian" it isn't very clear what you are attempting to say. You said: "You can be Christian and be Gay. But you cannot be redeemed and changed by God." This is an error because: 1. Christianity teaches that God's grace and redemption are available to all people, regardless of their backgrounds or identities (Galatians 3:28). 2. The statement excludes LGBTQ+ individuals from the possibility of redemption and transformation, which is contrary to the Christian call to love and accept others (John 13:34-35). 3. Many Christian denominations affirm that LGBTQ+ individuals can fully participate in the life of the Church and experience God's redeeming grace. 4. Such exclusionary statements can cause significant emotional and spiritual harm, pushing people away from faith communities rather than inviting them into a relationship with God. You said: "In practice you can follow His commandments and never know Grace through Faith nor the chastisement of the Father as children of God." This is an error because: 1. The statement suggests that following God's commandments does not lead to experiencing grace through faith, which conflicts with the teaching that obedience is a response to faith (James 2:17). 2. While Christianity teaches that grace is a gift from God (Ephesians 2:8-9), it also emphasizes that faith without works is dead (James 2:26). The two are interconnected, not mutually exclusive. 3. The mention of not knowing "the chastisement of the Father as children of God" overlooks that God's discipline is part of His loving relationship with all believers (Hebrews 12:6), not just a select group. 4. The idea that one can follow God's commandments without knowing grace through faith misunderstands the nature of true obedience, which in Christianity flows from a heart transformed by faith (John 14:15). 5. The statement suggests that sincere efforts to follow God's commandments could be disregarded by God, which contradicts His just and merciful character (Psalm 145:8-9). 6. It ignores that those who earnestly seek God are promised to find Him and His grace (Jeremiah 29:13), emphasizing God's responsiveness to sincere pursuit. You said: ""The other sense is when a person is effectually called by the Spirit of God, baptized by Him into the number of the regenerate." This is an error because: 1. The statement implies that the Holy Spirit only works in those who are "effectually called," which limits God's sovereignty and the Spirit's universal activity in drawing people to faith (John 16:8). 2. By focusing on being "effectually called," the statement aligns with a specific theological stance that not all Christians share. When most believe in the universal calling of the Holy Spirit to all people. 3. Suggesting that only a select few are baptized by the Spirit ignores the belief that all who accept Christ receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38). You said: ""But you cannot be redeemed and changed by God." This is an error because: 1. Declaring that someone cannot be redeemed assumes a position that, according to Christian teachings, belongs to God alone (James 4:12). 2. The Bible consistently emphasizes that no one is beyond God's ability to redeem and transform (2 Peter 3:9). 3. Such a statement lacks the humility and love that Christians are called to exhibit (Philippians 2:3-4), potentially alienating others from the faith. 4. The assertion denies the transformative power of God to work in anyone's life, regardless of their circumstances or identity (2 Corinthians 5:17). 5. It suggests that God's grace is insufficient or selective, which conflicts with the belief that God's grace is abundant and available to all who seek Him (Romans 5:20). 6. Many individuals who identify as LGBTQ+ have personal testimonies of experiencing God's transformative work in their lives, demonstrating that God's reach is not limited.
@@jakedickerson The reformed faith is the only faith you have that split from Roman Catholicism. It started in Germany under the Heidelberg confession. Everything after that is a split from the reformation itself. Most share the core principles of the gospel barring exceptions like Mormonism. Most post reformed splits happened in 1830 when John Nelson Darby coined rapture concepts which most LGBTQ churches stem from in a loose way. The Reformed tradition started the non Roman Catholic Churches today. the visible church includes both true believers and unbelievers; this distinction is drawn from passages like Matthew 13:24-30, where Jesus describes the parable of the wheat and tares, highlighting that only God can fully discern who is truly saved within the visible church. Both saved and unsaved can be baptized by water but regeneration by the spirit isn’t water baptism. Every member of the invisible church is "saved", while the visible church contains all individuals who are saved though also having some who are "unsaved". According to this view, Bible passages such as Matthew 7:21-27, Matthew 13:24-30, and Matthew 24:29-51 speak about this distinction. The concept of the saved and unsaved goes all the way back to genesis so the concept of the visible and invisible regarding the church is not new. There’s always been a distinction between the tears and the wheat. This distinction is prophesied in Isaiah and Ezekiel and Daniel. The reformed church has simply iterated the example of those who are and are not with modern vernacular but there is no reinvention or invention beyond what has always existed. In order to disprove any of this you have to make an exegetical claim based in the how what where when who and why in order to argue a logical viewpoint. And there are no viewpoints that can argue against empirical data to the contrary. Salvation of an either or has always been predicated upon a spiritual influencer. That’s the entire premise of the biblical scriptures. Unsaved are without the spirit, saved are with the spirit. There is a behavioral distinction between the two which is why its talked about repeatedly throughout the biblical scriptures. Take 1 Peter 3:21, what you suffer is contextual error. Don't cherry pick one section and inflate it. Take in the whole area and read it as a whole. "Baptism, which corresponds to this..." What is the "this" that Peter is referring to? --- Back up abit... 1 Peter 3:20 - because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. "were brought safely through water" --- Notice the action is not on man or man washing another but GOD washing. The "appeal" to God is a resulting effect of the washing that's already happened before water baptism. Baptism of the spirit is all God. Baptism of water is obedience as a result of what God has already done. Baptism unifies but does not save. God saves. God elects, God Predestines and God has mercy on whom he has mercy. - Romans 9:15-18 You = "1. Claiming that only those who are "effectually called" and "baptized by [the Spirit] into the number of the regenerate" are saved presents a narrow view" Matthew 7:13-14 "Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. [14] For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few. You = " Limiting salvation to a predetermined group undermines the message of the Gospel being accessible to all." It is limiting yes. Because it is GOD who saves. You don't save your self. Hense why this pastor failed in his understanding that he somehow had to exit his sin then he gave up. He never stood a chance because he never had the spirit of God to begin with. Thats the difference between Man centric and God centric theology. Ephesians 1:11, Romans 8:29-30, Matthew 22:14, John 6:44. Scripture teaches that God Grace IS given to all but NOT Grace THROUGH Faith. This is unique ONLY to those saved by that which is not of themselves. Ephesians 2:8-10 " The statement excludes LGBTQ+ individuals from the possibility of redemption and transformation" Absolutely NOT!!! If God is the one doing the saving then God brings the sinner out of a sinful life. Ezekiel 36:26-27 - BUT keep in mind, the LGBTQ sinner, like the man cheating on his wife with hookers or the liar or the murderer or the thief, is brought out of this sin if they are truly redeemed. Thats the mark of salvation. Salvation is not marked by your will. Its marked by the will of God manifested in blessings in your life according to the biblical will of God. This means your life radically changes by his causality, not yours. Sin will suddenly be grey and unappealing once you are saved. We still sin, the homosexual will still have gay thoughts and might even act on those actions, but he rests in the hands of God at that point and GOD brings them out of that sin over time. The reason God doesn't deliver the sinner out of sin day one is the process of which we learn to lean on God through his son. As we know God through his word we learn about him. John 17:3 says eternal life is knowing the son and the Father. You'll be saved one day, still a sinner and years later be radically different. This pastor assumed wrongly that deliverance was on him. Hense why he failed. Lean not on YOUR understanding But Gods. Scripture say his ways are not like our ways. Therefore deliverance from sin cannot be on us but on him to bring us out. Thats what this pastor keeps missing and why he remains in death. The unbeliving cannot understand scripture fully but some measure of curtan reveals can happen accroding to Gods will. My hope is God lets you see what im saying here. John 14:15 is not a statement of open ended action for anyone. "If" in the Greek here is found no where in Greek. The verse actually reads - τὰς as a conjunction saying those who are will do. The banana has potassium. Those in an active state of love for Christ WILL obey his commandments. Not by choice, not by self will but by Causality of God. Obedience is a result of Salvation, not a action to obtain salvation. Those truly redeemed hear Christs voice. "My sheep hear me" therefore yes only those saved know Christ. God is not limited but the unredeemed Man is limited by their understanding of God. God allowed this. 2 Cor 4:3-4. Thats what you are feeling in all this. The limits you perceive are actually blindness to who God is. If you read further past John 16:9 you see the context of who Jesus is speaking of. The "world" here is the local world around the apostles who will receive the spirit of God after Christ leaves. Read the whole section. no just Verse 9. Read verse 4-11. Acts 3:38, read careful BEFORE this verse. Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this they were CUT TO THE HEART, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?" This is a call back to John 6:44. And what does Peter say RIGHT AFTER THAT??? Acts 2:39 --- For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God !!! --- CALLS --- !!! to himself." YOU = 2. The Bible consistently emphasizes that no one is beyond God's ability to redeem and transform (2 Peter 3:9) VERY true. Notice though...WHO IS DOING THE SAVING????? Thats the point. Just like in Acts. "everyone whom the Lord our God !!! --- CALLS --- !!! to himself." John 6:44 - No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. you - "any individuals who identify as LGBTQ+ have personal testimonies of experiencing God's transformative work in their lives, demonstrating that God's reach is not limited." This is only true if they EXIT that life. If they remain in that sin, proud and happily then they remain in habitual unrepentant sin. If there is no struggle, there is no salvation Hebrews 12:4-8
FALSE CHURCH. You are the EPITOME of what Jesus talked about with a wolf in sheep's clothing. You're bending the Gospel to YOUR standard, not HIS, and what's worse is that you're leading other people in that way. You are knowingly bathing in your sin and you act like you can't turn away from it, yet, you willfully wade in it because "God has limitless Grace". He's not stupid, He knows what you're doing, regardless of the sin, doesn't matter...if you're willfully sinning over and over again and expect Him to forgive you, you are dead wrong. That's blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and that is unforgivable. I'll pray for you Brother...
Romans 3:23-24 NIV “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus”. 10 “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. “ 2 Corinthians 5:10 10…we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; 11 for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” 12 So then each of us will give an account of himself to God. Romans 14:10-12 …And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, Hebrews 9:27 Good News is… “16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, Jesus that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him”. John 3:16-17
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. Anyone who does not repent of their LGBTQ tendencies and choose Christ alone in faith alone will perish in hell. And friends as a believer in Christ I do not isolate those particular acts as their own abomination. For it is also written that those who cheat on their wife and sleep around and commit heterosexual sexual immorality are also perishing. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be DECEIVED. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, [10] nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. God does not separate anything apart from the other and puts them all together as equally damning.
Why stop at 1 Cor 6:9-10… guess no one cares about verse 11.. and the whole message that Paul keeps preaching about. And why not actually go to the original Hebrew and Greek bibles instead of reading NIV and whatever other Bible that was rewritten by people who did not even understand what homosexuality was to begin with. How about we go back to Revelation and read what happens to those who change the words of the Bible. Talk about false theology… these are the people who will say .. didn’t we prophecy in your name… and we already know what Jesus said to that… please stop spreading false gospel and taking verses out of context. All in Jesus Christ are justified and saved.
@@MoonHutMusic i read from the Masoretic text. You cannot be justified by faith in Christ while in unrepentant sin. If there is no struggle, theres no salvation. Yes lets look at verse 11. 1 Corinthians 6:11 ESV And such WERE (past tense)some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. Revelation is about the 7 churches and the destruction of Israel in AD 70. It uses torah destruction language.
@@MoonHutMusic if you are not saved, you will not understand the technicals of scripture. The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. If you do not see your sin as against God and refuse repentance, you will die in sin, hostile to God damned at death. I get sexual sin. I had a MASSIVE porn and lust addiction. But without i ow how to change i simply trust Christ. In time i came out of it. Slowly. But only in Christ can that be possible. The unregenerate will NEVER save them selves from sin. You need a savior. Not just for heaven but for sanctification. Philippians 1:6 ESV And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ. We are guaranteed a life without continued sin but only for those truly saved. Thats what “washed” and “sanctified” is.
@@bobbyrice2858 I am very saved and love Jesus with all of my heart and all of my life. He is my only master, not the church leaders who put down people and diminish anyone’s life. Lust and porn is not the same as homosexuality. That’s one thing that heterosexual people will never understand. But it’s all good because the only acceptance LGBT people need is God’s, not fallen human’s and that is ok.. Praise Jesus for His sacrifice and for His unconditional love for all people, that is a gift none of us deserve.
@@MoonHutMusic his gift is not for the unrepentant homosexual, or those deep entrenched in lust and pornography unrepentantly. Be sure to understand the clarity of that statement because if you believe different then you don’t know Jesus.
@@theavataradventure1303 - Very much approved by Jesus. I was born gay, a condition Jesus didn’t find in any way a problem otherwise he would have graciously answered my 30 years of prayers and self-denial by changing my sexual orientation. Instead of doing that, Jesus confirmed that he loves me, made me as I am, and had a husband for me that I would meet, fall in love with, and marry. And, now, my husband and I are in ministry with a wonderful church where we are affirmed and where the Gospel of Jesus Christ - salvation by grace through faith, not by the works of keeping the law or becoming straight or not being gay - is preached and affirmed, the marginalized are centered, and the love of God for all is proclaimed.
@@revnealThe Bible presents a clear design for marriage. Jesus referenced Genesis when He described marriage: Genesis 2:24 "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh." Matthew 19:4-6 "He answered, 'Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.'" Then the Bible addresses sexual immorality and calls Christians to purity 1 Corinthians 6:18-20 and Romans 1:26-27 “For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.” As Christians we should deny ourselves and follow Christ, this requires self denial and taking up one's cross, as He instructs in Matthew 16:24-25 then God calls us to holiness and obedience to His commands, even when it conflicts with personal desires, 1 Peter 1:15-16 and Hebrews 12:14.
You cannot be “ GAY” and a “ CHRISTIAN. God loves all of us but he hates “ SIN”…. People please 🙏 read scripture so many wolves 🐺 in sheep 🐑 clothing. Jesus talked about im the end times you will be deceived by many in his name. The Bible is our guide and path to salvation and it talks about this stay away from the DARK. Corinthians 6:9 warns: "Do you not know the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? ... neither the immoral, nor idolators, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals ... will inherit God's kingdom." We all do well to heed this warning.‼️
Firstly, I'm a Christian and ... yes ... I'm gay. So, going out the gate, your statement is false. Secondly, the Scriptural references you are citing simply do NOT address the question of modern homosexuality, and certainly not as it is practiced by Christians who are gay and married in monogamous same-sex unions. In the ancient world, same-sex practices were not about mutuality, consent, and love, but about subjugation, power, and control. The scriptural references are made within the context of a completely different world-view about what sexuality, its practice and place within society, and matters of dominance and power. Hence, those passages simply don't apply today. Additionally, the translation you are citing is horrible, doesn't convey the sense, meaning, or wording of the Greek original of 1 Corinthians 6:9, and should not be used as a weapon in any case for it certainly wasn't intended by Paul as such.
I’m not aware that Jesus said a word about homosexuality. I suggest you get to know some gay people, and learn of the pain they have gone through as they grew up. Read Jayne Ozanne. I’m afraid I feel that the sin of judgement and exclusion is the real sin here.
@@olabisijosetta4466 - Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed due to the sin of inhospitality to strangers (see Ezekiel 16:48-50). They desired to gang-rape the visiting emissaries of a foreign deity, an heinous action that had absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality.
Thank you for taking the time to address these questions, Dr. Neal. The Lord bless you and keep you.
is there justice for sin? or is this inclusiveness universal and everyone goes to heaven?
@@bobbyrice2858 I'm sorry, I don't think I understand the question that you're asking.
@@jakedickerson is there Godly justice for sin in general? if so, which sins and where can we get a list of those sins?
@@bobbyrice2858 God's justice is redemptive rather than merely punitive. Rather than focusing on a definitive list, I'd encourage you to engage in ongoing self-examination, guided by Scripture, tradition, reason, and experience.
@@jakedickerson well my obstacle is i think very logical. I tend to lean on an absolute rule outside my judgment rather than my own mind which i've noticed is very wicked and corrupt. I don't land on the best choices in life trying to define my own "right and wrong" by means of reason, experience and self examination. Wouldn't we need to appeal to a higher authority outside our own will? For example wouldn't the bible be "enough" to guide us out of sin? sorry for the 30 questions. thank you for patience. Like, would things like idolatry, adulterers, or theft, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, swindlers be apart of that class of human that wouldn't go to heaven?
Hi Everyone. Ok. Here is what SALVATION is all about. We come as we are, and GOD Accepts us as we are, in our sin nature. HOWEVER, you are disobeying GOD if you think you can STAY in your sin. THAT IS PRIDE! GOD HATES PRIDE !!! No matter what sin we commit, we are to confess this to GOD, and let THE HOLY SPIRIT change you. You can't remain in your rebellious sin any longer, and believe you will be Saved !!
For decades I was open to the Holy Spirit to change my sexual orientation. I prayed for years to be changed, I studied scripture to understand, I was subjected to torturous aversion therapy to change my desires, and I was forced to go to therapy that demeaned my personhood and told me I was going to hell unless I changed. For decades I was celibate and I pretended I was straight, but trough all those years Jesus never saw fit to change me; rather, Jesus loved me, embraced me, led me to good therapists and other loving Christians who helped me to realize that God made gay and loved me just the way I am … that being gay wasn’t an identity that bothered Jesus, or a sinful behavior so long as it was lived within the marriage covenant. And, to that end, Jesus gave me a beautiful, loving, affirming, gracious, and moral man to love and cherish in marriage. God blessed our marriage, and has also blessed our affirming ministry to and with the LGBTQ community.
@@revneal I have to say something here. First of all, everybody sins. Even born-again Christians. Homosexuality is no different than any other sin in the general sense (lying, stealing, etc.). The problem is that when we say: "God didn't change me" or "God made me gay", we are saying that God made us sinners. If you don't agree that homosexuality is wrong, I urge you to look at Scripture. The Bible says that homosexual acts are wrong, there is simply no debate. What is NOT a sin is temptation (Jesus Himself was tempted). The sin is GIVING IN to the temptations. When we are saved through faith, we are redeemed indeed, but our sin does not vanish from our flesh, and the flesh is weak. We must die to our sin and not conform to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of our minds (Romans 12:2). I'm sorry the church has mistreated you. But homosexual union is, by biblical definition, not a marriage. Jesus Himself said this in Mark 10: "But from the beginning of the creation God made them MALE AND FEMALE. FOR THIS CAUSE shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be ONE FLESH: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.". As the Bible says, same-sex union is a violation of the natural order. Therefore, it is sin. HOWEVER, there is salvation in Jesus Christ. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and cleanses us of all unrighteousness.". God WILL forgive you of ANY sin, if you repent and believe in His power to heal all affliction, "For whoever calls upon the name of the LORD shall be saved". Peace and blessings be on you, friend.
@yamatee5699 What you say here is inaccurate for several reasons. Firstly, people in Greco-Roman Palestine had no concept of homosexuality as a sexual orientation, and people in the Bronze Age even less so. That's because sex wasn't a consensual expression of love but something people did to others: specifically, something men did to women. This is why we have prohibitions about "lying with a man as with a woman"; for men to take a subordinate position (literally) was to violate a hierarchy of domination and penetration. (This was equally true of men who assumed the passive position with their own wives.) Also, the quotation from Jesus is entirely about divorce and nothing whatever to do with who was supposed to participate in a relationship.
First off the marriage covenant is only between 1 man and 1 woman. Yes there was polygamy blah blah.
So you were fighting your sin(celibate for years? Good job that is the right thing). And then you found some fools that co-signed your sins as actually good?
Wow how surprising… you could find people to say doing heroin is good and from God(I did)…. You could find people that say ped0philia is good and from God. SO WHAT? US MEN ARE FALLABLE.
The scriptures from God/Christ are clear. It is sin, it will drag you to hell and God will say “get away from me you worker on inequity!”
Especially you leading a phony Gay Protestant “church”.
Go to a real church. The Holy Orthodox Church. Crucify your flesh, pick up your cross. Become a hermit or a monk….SAVE YOUR SOUL. FEAR GOD!!!! For the demons do and they tremble
@@revnealHe changed mine.(Sexual desires/orientation) I see some Christians who have turned and repented from this sin (anything LGBTQ related) but they daily crucify their flesh in this area and flee from the temptation. I pray God does for them what He did for me.
I asked God to change my desires and a friend prayed for me to hate what He hates. Those unnatural desires went away for me during prayer and fasting as well as pornography use.
He hates sin and He did not give you your gay marriage. I look back on my time with the same sex with disgust now and I'd never want to go back to it. Maybe you were being called to live celibate or maybe if you had kept waiting on the Lord, He would have changed your desires too. I get it's hard not to get weary in waiting seasons.
You were supposed to flee from that temptation, not yolk it to your identity and decide that's who you are. It'd be like an alcoholic being tempted to drink and then saying well I guess this is just who I am and it can't be helped. And ppl coached you and told you it was ok to pick up the bottle..
thank you so much for this video the lord bless you! 🌈🙏👍
is there Godly justice for sin in general? if so, which sins and where can we get a list of those sins?
Unity is great! God bless everyone :)
1 Corinthians 1:18
For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
Anyone who does not repent of their LGBTQ tendencies and choose Christ alone in faith alone will perish in hell.
And friends as a believer in Christ I do not isolate those particular acts as their own abomination. For it is also written that those who cheat on their wife and sleep around and commit heterosexual sexual immorality are also perishing.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be DECEIVED. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, [10] nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
God does not separate anything apart from the other and puts them all together as equally damning.
is there justice for sin?
@@bobbyrice2858 The idea of sin is an illusion, a result of the mind's mistaken belief in separation from God. We are not separate from God. You are not separate from Love unless you perceive yourself to be. Sin does not exist in reality, but rather in our perception. Sin is lack of love or the perception that you could lack love or connection to God; God IS Love. Therefore, the concept of justice for sin would be a misperception, as sin itself is a false perception rather than a real offense. Focus on forgiveness and the correction of perception to see beyond the illusion of sin and recognize the inherent innocence and goodness of all beings. Sin is missing the mark, the mark is love, thus if you hold no judgments you are without sin and with love. God bless.
@@rainbowofboxes8021 Is the Christian Bible the final authority of God or us? Why should i focus on forgiveness and correction if sin doesn't exist? Why can't i just live how i want and be what i want? If there is no final absolute defined authority than how does one become accountable outside our own thoughts and opinions?
"if you hold no judgments you are without sin and with love. "
if there is not sin then how can i be without something that doesn't exist?
@@bobbyrice2858 Forgiveness and correction is not aimed at addressing specific acts of sin, as sin is an illusion of the mind. Forgiveness and correction are necessary for undoing the separation that we have believed to exist between ourselves and God. When we forgive, we release the barriers that we have placed between us and the Divine, allowing us to return to our true, loving, and unified state. Thus, forgiveness and correction serve to correct our perception of separation with God.
As a pastor, God's WORD is FINAL and should be Ur opinion. What does your bible tell U? What do U preach to ppl? Pls read Ur bible to know it. Sweet talking doesn't make U Christian. Pls lead ppl right. Jesus doesn't deserve this. I pray for U to know the true God. God bless U.
In this world, Christians can be Christians in two senses. One sense is when they are part of the visible Church, when they are baptized, and this is shared by elect and non-elect alike. The other sense is when a person is effectually called by the Spirit of God, baptized by Him into the number of the regenerate. This latter sense is the only sense that is salvific. Just as an unfaithful man can be objectively a husband, so an unregenerate man can be objectively a Christian -meaning that he can be part of the visible Church.
You can be Christian and be Gay. But you cannot be redeemed and changed by God. In Practice you can follow his commandments and never know Grace through Faith nor the chastisement of the Father as children of God.
Love it, thank you 🙏
is there justice for sin? or is this inclusiveness universal and everyone goes to heaven?
Americas has a right wing culture problem
is there Godly justice for sin in general? if so, which sins and where can we get a list of those sins?
In this world, Christians can be Christians in two senses. One sense is when they are part of the visible Church, when they are baptized, and this is shared by elect and non-elect alike. The other sense is when a person is effectually called by the Spirit of God, baptized by Him into the number of the regenerate. This latter sense is the only sense that is salvific. Just as an unfaithful man can be objectively a husband, so an unregenerate man can be objectively a Christian -meaning that he can be part of the visible Church.
You can be Christian and be Gay. But you cannot be redeemed and changed by God. In Practice you can follow his commandments and never know Grace through Faith nor the chastisement of the Father as children of God.
@@HillbillyBlack - And, yet, I and so many like me absolutely know and experience prevenient, justifying, and sanctifying grace in our lives as we live by faith in Jesus and trust fully in his atoning sacrifice for our salvation. Your judgment on this matter is beyond your position or spiritual authority to make.
@@revneal Grace is never the problem. Paul says explicitly that ALL are partakers of Grace my friend. But not all are partakers of Grace THROUGH faith, which is the point. This is where theology bewilders your unregenerate mind. What you can't see you manifest creatively. This is why we have Mormons. I've watched a few of your sermons. You neither know nor understand scripture for these are spiritual things you cannot understand as someone lost without the spirit of God. Every theological attempt is titled with your self in mind to justify yourself vs speaking how you are justified in Christ for the contrite brokenness of sin. A concept biblical in instruction and lost in understanding to the faithless who are hell bent on living their life and bending Christ around their needs.
The problem lays with how morality is perceived. Can you as a "gay Christian" rationalize morality outside preference? Even as a "gay Christian" you cannot see past a preference faith. If you can rationalize morality outside preference, then you can see truth without blinders. That said, what is the biblical meaning of loving your neighbor as yourself? Is it unconditional and universal acceptance? I don't except everything about myself. I certainly don't love my self unconditionally. I impose expectations upon myself. You see, when we tolerate everything, nothing is limited including illogical reasoning and preference morality. Make a biblical MORAL argument to support your case. If I'm not "qualified" and you are as a "pastor" then as a pastor make a pastoral biblical case for your position.
@@HillbillyBlack
You said: "In this world, Christians can be Christians in two senses. One sense is when they are part of the visible Church, when they are baptized, and this is shared by elect and non-elect alike. The other sense is when a person is effectually called by the Spirit of God, baptized by Him into the number of the regenerate."
This is an error because:
1. The distinction between the "visible" and "invisible" Church is a theological concept found in certain Christian traditions, particularly Reformed theology. However, the statement oversimplifies this distinction and presents it as a universally accepted concept, which it is not.
2. Baptism incorporates individuals into both the visible community and the spiritual reality of the Church.
3. By introducing the idea of "elect and non-elect," the statement aligns with a Calvinist perspective of predestination, which is not universally accepted in Christianity. This excludes all Christian traditions that emphasize free will and the universal offer of salvation.
4. The statement implies that baptism is a mere formality for the "non-elect," which undermines the whole of Christian tradition which understands that baptism is a sacrament conveying real spiritual grace (1 Peter 3:21).
5. The New Testament presents baptism as an important step of faith and obedience for all believers (Matthew 28:19-20), not just a symbolic act for some.
6. By dividing baptized individuals into "elect" and "non-elect," the statement overlooks the unity that baptism signifies within the Christian community (Ephesians 4:4-6).
You said: "This latter sense is the only sense that is salvific."
This is an error because:
1. Claiming that only those who are "effectually called" and "baptized by [the Spirit] into the number of the regenerate" are saved presents a narrow view of salvation that excludes many believers, and actually implies that the majority of Christians, past, present, and future will not experience true salvation.
2. Christianity teaches that salvation is available to all who have faith in Jesus Christ (John 3:16, Romans 10:13). Limiting salvation to a predetermined group undermines the message of the Gospel being accessible to all.
3. For the majority of Christian history, baptism has been understood as instrumental in salvation. The statement dismisses this by implying that baptism without being among the "elect" is ineffective. Furthermore, the idea that Baptism does not itself convey justifying grace is an error rooted in a poor translation of the story of the Ethiopian Eunuch from the Textus Receptus.
You said: "Just as an unfaithful man can be objectively a husband, so an unregenerate man can be objectively a Christian-meaning that he can be part of the visible Church."
This is an error because:
1. Comparing an unfaithful husband to an unregenerate Christian is misleading. Marriage is a legal and social contract, while Christian identity involves a personal relationship with God based on faith and transformation.
2. The analogy reduces the profound spiritual journey of a Christian to merely holding a title or position within an organization, neglecting the inner transformation emphasized in Christian teachings.
3. This comparison may itself imply that external affiliation with the Church is sufficient for Christian identity, which contradicts the belief that genuine faith involves both inward belief and outward expression. Though, I understand your superimposition of the term "Christian" it isn't very clear what you are attempting to say.
You said: "You can be Christian and be Gay. But you cannot be redeemed and changed by God."
This is an error because:
1. Christianity teaches that God's grace and redemption are available to all people, regardless of their backgrounds or identities (Galatians 3:28).
2. The statement excludes LGBTQ+ individuals from the possibility of redemption and transformation, which is contrary to the Christian call to love and accept others (John 13:34-35).
3. Many Christian denominations affirm that LGBTQ+ individuals can fully participate in the life of the Church and experience God's redeeming grace.
4. Such exclusionary statements can cause significant emotional and spiritual harm, pushing people away from faith communities rather than inviting them into a relationship with God.
You said: "In practice you can follow His commandments and never know Grace through Faith nor the chastisement of the Father as children of God."
This is an error because:
1. The statement suggests that following God's commandments does not lead to experiencing grace through faith, which conflicts with the teaching that obedience is a response to faith (James 2:17).
2. While Christianity teaches that grace is a gift from God (Ephesians 2:8-9), it also emphasizes that faith without works is dead (James 2:26). The two are interconnected, not mutually exclusive.
3. The mention of not knowing "the chastisement of the Father as children of God" overlooks that God's discipline is part of His loving relationship with all believers (Hebrews 12:6), not just a select group.
4. The idea that one can follow God's commandments without knowing grace through faith misunderstands the nature of true obedience, which in Christianity flows from a heart transformed by faith (John 14:15).
5. The statement suggests that sincere efforts to follow God's commandments could be disregarded by God, which contradicts His just and merciful character (Psalm 145:8-9).
6. It ignores that those who earnestly seek God are promised to find Him and His grace (Jeremiah 29:13), emphasizing God's responsiveness to sincere pursuit.
You said: ""The other sense is when a person is effectually called by the Spirit of God, baptized by Him into the number of the regenerate."
This is an error because:
1. The statement implies that the Holy Spirit only works in those who are "effectually called," which limits God's sovereignty and the Spirit's universal activity in drawing people to faith (John 16:8).
2. By focusing on being "effectually called," the statement aligns with a specific theological stance that not all Christians share. When most believe in the universal calling of the Holy Spirit to all people.
3. Suggesting that only a select few are baptized by the Spirit ignores the belief that all who accept Christ receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38).
You said: ""But you cannot be redeemed and changed by God."
This is an error because:
1. Declaring that someone cannot be redeemed assumes a position that, according to Christian teachings, belongs to God alone (James 4:12).
2. The Bible consistently emphasizes that no one is beyond God's ability to redeem and transform (2 Peter 3:9).
3. Such a statement lacks the humility and love that Christians are called to exhibit (Philippians 2:3-4), potentially alienating others from the faith.
4. The assertion denies the transformative power of God to work in anyone's life, regardless of their circumstances or identity (2 Corinthians 5:17).
5. It suggests that God's grace is insufficient or selective, which conflicts with the belief that God's grace is abundant and available to all who seek Him (Romans 5:20).
6. Many individuals who identify as LGBTQ+ have personal testimonies of experiencing God's transformative work in their lives, demonstrating that God's reach is not limited.
@@jakedickerson The reformed faith is the only faith you have that split from Roman Catholicism. It started in Germany under the Heidelberg confession. Everything after that is a split from the reformation itself. Most share the core principles of the gospel barring exceptions like Mormonism. Most post reformed splits happened in 1830 when John Nelson Darby coined rapture concepts which most LGBTQ churches stem from in a loose way. The Reformed tradition started the non Roman Catholic Churches today.
the visible church includes both true believers and unbelievers; this distinction is drawn from passages like Matthew 13:24-30, where Jesus describes the parable of the wheat and tares, highlighting that only God can fully discern who is truly saved within the visible church. Both saved and unsaved can be baptized by water but regeneration by the spirit isn’t water baptism.
Every member of the invisible church is "saved", while the visible church contains all individuals who are saved though also having some who are "unsaved". According to this view, Bible passages such as Matthew 7:21-27, Matthew 13:24-30, and Matthew 24:29-51 speak about this distinction.
The concept of the saved and unsaved goes all the way back to genesis so the concept of the visible and invisible regarding the church is not new. There’s always been a distinction between the tears and the wheat. This distinction is prophesied in Isaiah and Ezekiel and Daniel. The reformed church has simply iterated the example of those who are and are not with modern vernacular but there is no reinvention or invention beyond what has always existed.
In order to disprove any of this you have to make an exegetical claim based in the how what where when who and why in order to argue a logical viewpoint. And there are no viewpoints that can argue against empirical data to the contrary.
Salvation of an either or has always been predicated upon a spiritual influencer. That’s the entire premise of the biblical scriptures. Unsaved are without the spirit, saved are with the spirit. There is a behavioral distinction between the two which is why its talked about repeatedly throughout the biblical scriptures.
Take 1 Peter 3:21, what you suffer is contextual error. Don't cherry pick one section and inflate it. Take in the whole area and read it as a whole. "Baptism, which corresponds to this..." What is the "this" that Peter is referring to? --- Back up abit... 1 Peter 3:20 - because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. "were brought safely through water" --- Notice the action is not on man or man washing another but GOD washing. The "appeal" to God is a resulting effect of the washing that's already happened before water baptism. Baptism of the spirit is all God. Baptism of water is obedience as a result of what God has already done. Baptism unifies but does not save. God saves. God elects, God Predestines and God has mercy on whom he has mercy. - Romans 9:15-18
You = "1. Claiming that only those who are "effectually called" and "baptized by [the Spirit] into the number of the regenerate" are saved presents a narrow view"
Matthew 7:13-14
"Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. [14] For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
You = " Limiting salvation to a predetermined group undermines the message of the Gospel being accessible to all."
It is limiting yes. Because it is GOD who saves. You don't save your self. Hense why this pastor failed in his understanding that he somehow had to exit his sin then he gave up. He never stood a chance because he never had the spirit of God to begin with. Thats the difference between Man centric and God centric theology.
Ephesians 1:11,
Romans 8:29-30,
Matthew 22:14,
John 6:44.
Scripture teaches that God Grace IS given to all but NOT Grace THROUGH Faith. This is unique ONLY to those saved by that which is not of themselves. Ephesians 2:8-10
" The statement excludes LGBTQ+ individuals from the possibility of redemption and transformation"
Absolutely NOT!!! If God is the one doing the saving then God brings the sinner out of a sinful life. Ezekiel 36:26-27 - BUT keep in mind, the LGBTQ sinner, like the man cheating on his wife with hookers or the liar or the murderer or the thief, is brought out of this sin if they are truly redeemed. Thats the mark of salvation. Salvation is not marked by your will. Its marked by the will of God manifested in blessings in your life according to the biblical will of God. This means your life radically changes by his causality, not yours. Sin will suddenly be grey and unappealing once you are saved. We still sin, the homosexual will still have gay thoughts and might even act on those actions, but he rests in the hands of God at that point and GOD brings them out of that sin over time. The reason God doesn't deliver the sinner out of sin day one is the process of which we learn to lean on God through his son. As we know God through his word we learn about him. John 17:3 says eternal life is knowing the son and the Father. You'll be saved one day, still a sinner and years later be radically different.
This pastor assumed wrongly that deliverance was on him. Hense why he failed. Lean not on YOUR understanding But Gods. Scripture say his ways are not like our ways. Therefore deliverance from sin cannot be on us but on him to bring us out. Thats what this pastor keeps missing and why he remains in death.
The unbeliving cannot understand scripture fully but some measure of curtan reveals can happen accroding to Gods will. My hope is God lets you see what im saying here.
John 14:15 is not a statement of open ended action for anyone. "If" in the Greek here is found no where in Greek. The verse actually reads - τὰς as a conjunction saying those who are will do. The banana has potassium. Those in an active state of love for Christ WILL obey his commandments. Not by choice, not by self will but by Causality of God. Obedience is a result of Salvation, not a action to obtain salvation.
Those truly redeemed hear Christs voice. "My sheep hear me" therefore yes only those saved know Christ. God is not limited but the unredeemed Man is limited by their understanding of God. God allowed this. 2 Cor 4:3-4. Thats what you are feeling in all this. The limits you perceive are actually blindness to who God is.
If you read further past John 16:9 you see the context of who Jesus is speaking of. The "world" here is the local world around the apostles who will receive the spirit of God after Christ leaves. Read the whole section. no just Verse 9. Read verse 4-11.
Acts 3:38, read careful BEFORE this verse. Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this they were CUT TO THE HEART, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?" This is a call back to John 6:44. And what does Peter say RIGHT AFTER THAT??? Acts 2:39 --- For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God !!! --- CALLS --- !!! to himself."
YOU = 2. The Bible consistently emphasizes that no one is beyond God's ability to redeem and transform (2 Peter 3:9)
VERY true. Notice though...WHO IS DOING THE SAVING????? Thats the point. Just like in Acts. "everyone whom the Lord our God !!! --- CALLS --- !!! to himself." John 6:44 - No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
you - "any individuals who identify as LGBTQ+ have personal testimonies of experiencing God's transformative work in their lives, demonstrating that God's reach is not limited."
This is only true if they EXIT that life. If they remain in that sin, proud and happily then they remain in habitual unrepentant sin. If there is no struggle, there is no salvation Hebrews 12:4-8
@@revneal Do you know what Biblical Exegesis is?
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FALSE CHURCH. You are the EPITOME of what Jesus talked about with a wolf in sheep's clothing. You're bending the Gospel to YOUR standard, not HIS, and what's worse is that you're leading other people in that way. You are knowingly bathing in your sin and you act like you can't turn away from it, yet, you willfully wade in it because "God has limitless Grace". He's not stupid, He knows what you're doing, regardless of the sin, doesn't matter...if you're willfully sinning over and over again and expect Him to forgive you, you are dead wrong. That's blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and that is unforgivable. I'll pray for you Brother...
Jesus is love Jesus loves us all for only him can heal the broken
is there justice for sin? or is this inclusiveness universal and everyone goes to heaven?
@@bobbyrice2858 not everyone only people who have faith in him
@@GetJinxlol so those of an atheist nature are given a free pass with no justice?
Romans 3:23-24 NIV
“For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus”.
10 “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. “
2 Corinthians 5:10
10…we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; 11 for it is written,
“As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,
and every tongue shall confess to God.”
12 So then each of us will give an account of himself to God. Romans 14:10-12
…And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, Hebrews 9:27
Good News is… “16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, Jesus that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him”. John 3:16-17
1 Corinthians 1:18
For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
Anyone who does not repent of their LGBTQ tendencies and choose Christ alone in faith alone will perish in hell.
And friends as a believer in Christ I do not isolate those particular acts as their own abomination. For it is also written that those who cheat on their wife and sleep around and commit heterosexual sexual immorality are also perishing.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be DECEIVED. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, [10] nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
God does not separate anything apart from the other and puts them all together as equally damning.
Why stop at 1 Cor 6:9-10… guess no one cares about verse 11.. and the whole message that Paul keeps preaching about. And why not actually go to the original Hebrew and Greek bibles instead of reading NIV and whatever other Bible that was rewritten by people who did not even understand what homosexuality was to begin with. How about we go back to Revelation and read what happens to those who change the words of the Bible. Talk about false theology… these are the people who will say .. didn’t we prophecy in your name… and we already know what Jesus said to that… please stop spreading false gospel and taking verses out of context. All in Jesus Christ are justified and saved.
@@MoonHutMusic i read from the Masoretic text. You cannot be justified by faith in Christ while in unrepentant sin. If there is no struggle, theres no salvation.
Yes lets look at verse 11.
1 Corinthians 6:11 ESV
And such WERE (past tense)some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Revelation is about the 7 churches and the destruction of Israel in AD 70. It uses torah destruction language.
@@MoonHutMusic if you are not saved, you will not understand the technicals of scripture. The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
If you do not see your sin as against God and refuse repentance, you will die in sin, hostile to God damned at death.
I get sexual sin. I had a MASSIVE porn and lust addiction. But without i ow how to change i simply trust Christ. In time i came out of it. Slowly. But only in Christ can that be possible. The unregenerate will NEVER save them selves from sin. You need a savior. Not just for heaven but for sanctification.
Philippians 1:6 ESV
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
We are guaranteed a life without continued sin but only for those truly saved. Thats what “washed” and “sanctified” is.
@@bobbyrice2858 I am very saved and love Jesus with all of my heart and all of my life. He is my only master, not the church leaders who put down people and diminish anyone’s life. Lust and porn is not the same as homosexuality. That’s one thing that heterosexual people will never understand. But it’s all good because the only acceptance LGBT people need is God’s, not fallen human’s and that is ok.. Praise Jesus for His sacrifice and for His unconditional love for all people, that is a gift none of us deserve.
@@MoonHutMusic his gift is not for the unrepentant homosexual, or those deep entrenched in lust and pornography unrepentantly. Be sure to understand the clarity of that statement because if you believe different then you don’t know Jesus.
Not approved by Jesus. Please repent
@@theavataradventure1303 - Very much approved by Jesus. I was born gay, a condition Jesus didn’t find in any way a problem otherwise he would have graciously answered my 30 years of prayers and self-denial by changing my sexual orientation. Instead of doing that, Jesus confirmed that he loves me, made me as I am, and had a husband for me that I would meet, fall in love with, and marry. And, now, my husband and I are in ministry with a wonderful church where we are affirmed and where the Gospel of Jesus Christ - salvation by grace through faith, not by the works of keeping the law or becoming straight or not being gay - is preached and affirmed, the marginalized are centered, and the love of God for all is proclaimed.
@@revnealThe Bible presents a clear design for marriage. Jesus referenced Genesis when He described marriage:
Genesis 2:24 "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh."
Matthew 19:4-6 "He answered, 'Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.'"
Then the Bible addresses sexual immorality and calls Christians to purity 1 Corinthians 6:18-20 and Romans 1:26-27 “For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.”
As Christians we should deny ourselves and follow Christ, this requires self denial and taking up one's cross, as He instructs in Matthew 16:24-25 then God calls us to holiness and obedience to His commands, even when it conflicts with personal desires, 1 Peter 1:15-16 and Hebrews 12:14.
is there justice for sin? or is this inclusiveness universal and everyone goes to heaven?
@@revneal I was born angry and sexually predisposed to pornography and sexual violence. How am I wrong, and you are right?
@@revnealGod created you gay ?
You cannot be “ GAY” and a “ CHRISTIAN. God loves all of us but he hates “ SIN”…. People please 🙏 read scripture so many wolves 🐺 in sheep 🐑 clothing. Jesus talked about im the end times you will be deceived by many in his name. The Bible is our guide and path to salvation and it talks about this stay away from the DARK.
Corinthians 6:9 warns: "Do you not know the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? ... neither the immoral, nor idolators, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals ... will inherit God's kingdom." We all do well to heed this warning.‼️
Firstly, I'm a Christian and ... yes ... I'm gay. So, going out the gate, your statement is false. Secondly, the Scriptural references you are citing simply do NOT address the question of modern homosexuality, and certainly not as it is practiced by Christians who are gay and married in monogamous same-sex unions. In the ancient world, same-sex practices were not about mutuality, consent, and love, but about subjugation, power, and control. The scriptural references are made within the context of a completely different world-view about what sexuality, its practice and place within society, and matters of dominance and power. Hence, those passages simply don't apply today. Additionally, the translation you are citing is horrible, doesn't convey the sense, meaning, or wording of the Greek original of 1 Corinthians 6:9, and should not be used as a weapon in any case for it certainly wasn't intended by Paul as such.
I’m not aware that Jesus said a word about homosexuality. I suggest you get to know some gay people, and learn of the pain they have gone through as they grew up. Read Jayne Ozanne. I’m afraid I feel that the sin of judgement and exclusion is the real sin here.
Pls repent sir. What did God do to Sodom and Gomorrah? Refresh my memory pls..@@revneal
Hell is HOT and it's for eternity. Pls repent. Christianity is followers of Christ and our CHRaiST wasn't gay. Who do U follow?
@@olabisijosetta4466 - Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed due to the sin of inhospitality to strangers (see Ezekiel 16:48-50). They desired to gang-rape the visiting emissaries of a foreign deity, an heinous action that had absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality.
Nah. Pass …