One other thing - I went to a memorial in one of our state parks, there were several dozen oaks trees that were over a hundred years old. The ground had thousands of acorns laying around. With permission I swept up enough acorns to fill a 55 gallon trash can. I planted those acorns over my property and have seen several nice oaks trees sprout as a result.
Well...I love oaks, but after buying 30 acres in WA and applying for building permit I had to pay for county to scout the property to see how many oaks there are. Apparently white oaks are protected here and if you have 8 or more per acre you can't build...we were lucky but had to move our site a bit to stay 150 feet from the oak I believe. Our neighbor has a nice tree right on the edge and we thankfully were able to fit in between ours and their. But it could of been far worse...like having to move utilities and make road in the back of the property somewhere...
We purchased just such a track in southern MO. It was 40 acres and they were asking $80k. We laughed, said it looked like a bomb went off... told the agent it was a mess and would cost thousands to fix the ecological disaster they created. We offered $500/acre and were emphatic that the land, in its current state, wasn’t capable of growing, logging or even habitation. They declined and came back with $60k. We stayed firm and kept our offer at $20k. They accepted. It cost us $20,000 to remediate. Trackhoe and dozer work cleared stumps, dead tree tops left over, small logs they cut and didn’t want and graded to fill in washouts. We then broadcast native grass and oats. It’s now picture perfect. Just remember folks... YOU, the buyer, establish the value - not the seller or the agent or what other suckers were willing to pay (market price). YOU establish the value.
Thanks i told the realtor that today! We have gained over 150k value in our place in the city and we're trying to look at another place out of town they wanted proof of a pre-approval before they show us I said I know what I want can spend and what I'm wanting I need to look before I do anything
I can't believe my state is looking like this. It is heartbreaking. I was raised here and had loggers in my family. Never saw destruction like this growing up. Greed is a life ending disease.
Greed-- the current real estate market-- slumlord sell-off, slumlords selling their trashed rental houses to more slumlords with buckets of cash, and the individual and families be damned. No wonder so many of us are left to seek a vacant lot and try to make a home from scratch.
My neighbor did this to his land. Now he is going to sell it. Someone is going to be snookered. If you are looking in Madison co. be sure to go next door and talk to the neighbor. I will be more than happy to tell you what he did. wink wink Barter your way down, but no soil is left. You will have to buy new soil. Caveat Emptor for sure. Get educated before you buy.
We recently purchased a 6.5 acre property very similar to this! It can be reclaimed…not necessarily costly but definitely time consuming. Our first step was to hire a forestry mulcher to come in and grind up all of the fallen branches and invasive brush growth. We immediately planted a pasture mix and started running our goats through everything to keep the brush under control and help spread their lovely nitrogen droppings. Lots and lots of trash pick up, brush burning and spreading compost. It’s been 6 months and already the land is changing. Honestly it’s a labor of love…I feel good knowing that our efforts are helping to heal.
@@standunitedorfall1863 Get your own mulcher or a landscaper with a large mulcher. We had a small mulcher on 1 acre which was overgrown but kept it busy for a long time.
Thank you for this video. My Dad gave me a few acres that was part of his family's property. I don't get to visit it very often since it is not close to home. Several years back, someone who lives close to the land, found me on facebook and sent me a note that he would be willing to cut the trees that have "gone bad" as a favor. He periodically sends a note like that to me. I've never approved it because I didn't really believe he was doing me "a favor," and he would most likely clear-cut trees. Recently a bunch of trees fell due to a storm. He sent me photos. I contacted my one remaining relative (elderly) in the area, and he had someone drive by the property to take photos. There are trees down but since they are not in the road or in anyone's way, I figured it would be best just to let them stay on the forest floor. The other land in the area was sold by other relatives and much of the trees were cut down for vacation cabins. The land completely changed. Breaks my heart. This video reinforces that I was right to have misgivings.
My Grandma's farm was in the Ozarks. She would only allow specific trees to be logged and she watched everything they did. She cut just enough to add some money to her income. Her lands were always beautiful. Full of deer, turkey, walnut trees, bees, blackberry and gooseberries. This gentleman is very very knowledgeable about land management. Thank him for all of us.
I live in the Ozarks right now and you would be surprised how many people just let loggers ruin the land. I saw this guy at a homestead conference and he is a great bee keeper.
My mother had an extension agent come out and he marked the trees that would be healthy for the land to be cut down and she cut that down and got to tidy little sum, it was a beautiful day and the property was still beautiful
@@edriccooley6321 Yes. It improves the land for the future and generates some cash, if done right. Never let them strip it clean. Your water will dry up as dirty plugs up your creeks and your top soil is washed away. Another good thing to do is allow a local knowledgeable beekeeper to put hives on your property. Just take some honey as payment. Those bees will help your land. I get black locust honey every year from my beekeeper. If you've never had it, it's the best honey I've ever had. Spring honey.
I live in this area where you filmed and it’s not just logging - it’s also people moving here and building huge homes and tearing down the woods to put in their powerlines with no regard.
I built my home, a modest one with minimal dirt work, mostly just my driveway and a leveled area for my home. Too bad people feel the need to build huge monstrosities and then clear many acres removing natural vegetation so they can show them off. I LOVE the fact that three seasons of the year, if you didn't know there is a house here you could drive past and not spot it.
Honestly this is a corporate logging problem not a homesteaders problem. This is a problem with state and local laws allowing this to happen. I appreciate the video to bring this problem to light...
People have the government they deserve. Change takes education, then responsibility, then organization to right the corruption . Holding those who are creating the problem and forcing the same on government bureaucrats via the courts as a last result. Or having a massive out cry by the public if that can be mustard in order to bring about the needed change.
I was looking at a lot of properties in the Ozarks last year on zillow and using Google maps to look at satellite images. I couldn't understand why I kept seeing huge properties with sparse thin trees and terrible looking land. Now I know why, thank you for putting this information out there.
Ozarks are overrated IMHO. I searched Mo. Ozark extensively (computer and in person) in 2011 before the latest "land rush". Very little to recommend the area.
@@willbass2869 Micro farm for sale $140k 12ac MO 2 tiny homes well water/solar/etc Jacks Fork Farmstead Hwy 137 Willow Springs MO won't let me send link maybe it will show on Zillow doesn't qual for loan cash only option. Good luck and Godspeed!
Micro farm for sale $140k 12ac MO 2 tiny homes well water/solar/etc Jacks Fork Farmstead Hwy 137 Willow Springs MO won't let me send link maybe it will show on Zillow doesn't qual for loan cash only option. Good luck and Godspeed!
We bought 10 acres and 8 acres will remain almost exactly as is… wild with trees that belong in the area. The rest will be native orchard trees, a house and garden beds. 😉 I’m with you on trying to maintain the land the way it was meant to be.
Years ago when my grandparents first bought their land, my grandfather dug ten ft deep shafts into the ground and layered top soil, plant feed, and enriched compost and then planted his fruit trees on the spot. Those tress grew into amazing plants.
@@moprepper5007 So sorry, I am from Illinois. And my grandparents mortage an old farm house which we later found out to be built around the 1867. So the dirt had already been cleared for a long time. Now for the back wood cover ravines and other farmland. I tried pit digging in locations and with a few axes, homemade Specialized forge chiseled earth cutting hand shovels that you could 20lb sledge hammer the top of the handle to cut through all the old tree roots from long gone surface trees more than a foot thick roots that felt like clay and you could scrap around those old root systems like an archaeologist taking mineral samples. I was a teenage bad @ss but that digging was hard labor. After around a yard down in a 2ft across hole, can't really call it a pit I pulled up a cluster of roots and posted them above ground level. Filled the hole with top soil compost and cut some high branches to get some good strait afternoon sunlight down on the spot. Five different trees grew in a cluster on the spot and I had to walk a good hundred feet to find where the bark to match up on of the root clone growths. In short it was from a tree if you count the root rings where the old tree stump was 200 years old surrounded by sucker saplings. Plants and soil can be nuts.
Oh, Doug... 😥 Were you in an area sold by a company that owner-finances "instantly?" They tell in their videos that "there was logging in this area recently." Thank you for revealing the harm being done to us all. I'm looking for property now, that's why i tuned in to this. God bless you for telling us what's happening-- a deal-breaker, for sure... 😣 You've done us a huge service... Reminds me of the scripture passage, "My people perish for lack of knowledge." Thank you for helping us, Doug and Stacy and Leo 🌳♥️🌲
@@donnaleveron6511 I'm not super familiar with scripture. What does it mean? Who was destroyed & what knowledge did they not know? Thank you for your time
@@donnaleveron6511 Thank you for clarification-- Hosea 4:6. God says His people have remained silent and rejected Him. And since they reject Him and knowledge they could have had, He rejected them.
Micro farm for sale $140k 12ac MO 2 tiny homes well water/solar/etc Jacks Fork Farmstead Hwy 137 Willow Springs MO won't let me send link maybe it will show on Zillow doesn't qual for loan cash only option. Good luck and Godspeed!
I think I may know which company you're referring to. I don't think they do the actual logging. Looks like they buy the land after and subdivide it. Look into it first.
I used to hike with my dad all over my province, these ravines and skid trails are still there to this day and for all I know won't be fixed for decades after I've passed away. Thank you for giving information to this generation on how to properly treat their land.
Yes, that was my thought throughout the video, but it wasn't even mentioned. Those piles of leaves, twigs, and branches are perfect tinder for forest fires. That dry brush is also high enough and will burn hot enough to create crowning of the large old growth trees. Otherwise, with responsible forestry management, the sun deprived ground vegetation simply burns off, without harming the trees.
Yall do realize forest fires almost never happen naturally. 99% of the time they are set by people on purpose. (The whole flicking a cigarette 🚬 is a lie) Anyone ever wonder why there is some big development company ready to come in and purchase a the "devastated" land. 😒 🤔
@@BraveNewWorld-1984 Then why do most forest fires start from lightning strikes at the beginning of rainy seasons? Lies without words? I haven't heard of cigarette butts causing forest fires for decades, since most folks have sopped smoking. Yes, there have been a few arsonists arrested for deliberately starting forest fires, but many others by accident. There are far more caused by safety tow chains dragging on asphalt or downed power lines during storms. Native Americans used to care for the forests with 'control burns' to keep dead brush in check, without crowning the healthy old growth trees. That's the proper solution to avoiding forest fires. Developers with develop wherever the government will allow, as long as there's a profit to be made. If permitted, they will profit from deforesting an area, then profit even more by building upon the same land. This is why we need environmental regulations, including natural habitat zoning.
I made this exact mistake last year. I loved the property because of the running water all over it, but everything you said is so spot on especially talking about the logging road. It took thousands of $$ to get it to a viable point. After doing some work we figured it would take us 15-20 years to just clear the mess they had left, never mind amending the almost straight clay that was left behind after a couple years logging. Y’all listen to Doug! Don’t get snookered!
Suggest looking into Red Elder or another nitrogen fixing tree, plant some and let them go wild for a decade or so then you can thin out a good amount or all and leave your other trees to continue growing. Should help build good soil and keep erosion down.
@@micheleh5269 Diversity is the best thing to keep disease and pest issues down, if they have to cross over multiple different species to reach the desired one then it's less likely to affect all your trees and gives a better chance to get the genetics that are resistant.
Thanks for bringing attention to this horendous land pillaging. As a forestry school grad I'm disheartened that these practices are still going on, hearkening back memories to the timber barren age of the early 1900s in the South and other regions. These companies should be named, shamed and made to pay for at least the riparian zone remediation.
I guarantee you that these logging companies have no idea the damage they cause and/or how to not cause damage. Has anyone tried to educate them? In fact, until I saw the video I didn't know. Kind of a harsh penalty for people that are unaware they're doing anything wrong. Now if you educate them and they continue to do it, then make'em pay. But surprise bills are rarely welcome.
I also had no idea as to how horribly damaged the ground can be by bad logging. Like I mentioned in a different post, I have seen it everywhere from the Carolinas all across down south, I just had no idea how much it devastated and ruined the land.💔😡
You also must absolutely believe it is not single owners buying up hundreds and hundreds of acres, it’s big corporations, hedge funds, 1% elites and even foreign governments coming in to destroy our land while they make a huge profit and leave people in a very dependent on the government way. Do your research, from what I understand Bill Gates is one of the largest farmland owners in our country! He doesn’t give a darn about people, he wants to kill us all off just like his daddy did. So why do you think that man is buying up FARM LAND?!?!?
@@DrDangerPuppyI'm too sure on the exact mechanics of a car. but if i put a pipe bomb in that thing. I got a good idea it wouldn't work too well afterwards.
Doug, This video should be shown to your local and state officials. Please Create a petition to stop this and to hold the loggers accountable for this destruction. This is more than buyer beware. Great job sharing this and informing the public… everyone, especially in your area should get involved.. many of the neighbors can be affected by this and not even know it. It could be costing them well. Thank you for the education.
Yes, and law should be made that if commercial loggers rape the land like this then are discovered that they did this, that they can be fined and even jailed if they don't come and make the land whole again.
Please stop asking government to fix the problems they create. Please. This seems to be an issue that can be remedied with public education, targeted discussions and yelp reviews. I'm not trying to be rude... I just don't want to pay any added taxes for a land purchase permit and remediation agreement. Nor do I want the government establishing another buearacracy tasked with checking up on the private maintenance of privately owned land.
@@jeas4980 Public education won't fix this. This is in fact what Government is meant to do. Stop greedy rich people from damaging the land of their neighbors by raping their own land. By logging the way they did, they dried up springs that are necessary to grow food and cattle. It is government's responsibility to step in and not only prevent, but punish those that harmed the value of their neighbor's land. Remember, in America, "We the People" are the overlords and government servants are our servant employees. Government goes bad because People In Government Service get off on ego trips and start acting like they are overlords. In response, stupid morons that vote for the most popular rather than the most patriotic, keep voting them in so they think they are lords of the people rather than servants of the people.
Fact! A university in Californina conducted an experiment with logging the redwoods. two equal sized plots of forest land were logged. One was cleared and replanted right away. the other was selectively logged with just a few trees a year. over a 20 year period the selectively logged plot yeilded 30% more board feet of timber then the plot that was cleared and replanted.
That should be the case if you get a 1/4 inch of growth a year. In 4 years you gained 1 inch in diameter, that adds up to a lot on a Doyle scale, 10 years those trees gained 2 1/2 inched in diameter, again look at the Doyle scale. I think you get the idea. But remember delaying will come with loss also, heart of trees rot out, wind damage, blights, insect damage.
@@OFFGRIDwithDOUGSTACY Woodland management. Harvest respecting the forest. Clear the scrub and garbage. Clear the dead and dying. Limb up the healthy. A properly managed woodland, heathy growth and fire survival...
Hey Doug! I'm in Missouri, just watched this and ordered about 50 trees from the conservation department to plant around my place for around $20. Missouri residents have until April 15th to put in their orders this year. Thanks for the content!
I live in southwest Missouri and it is heartbreaking the changes I have seen and that so many people don't care about what they do and how it is impacting the environment and the people around them as well as their descendants. I believe one of the most wicked and destructive attitudes throughout history is greed. Thank you for all your efforts to educate people.
This is so valuable!!!! I know that most of the people I know wouldn't have known this. NOW I wish I would have listened to my mom and her parents about the land. Thank you for caring about us. I appreciate you both for sharing.
I watched a movie called “The Biggest Little Farm,” where they restored some land that had been environmentally devastated, perhaps even worse than the land you presented. I recommend it for those who are interested. Thank you for the knowledge.
I grew up in the northwest in Oregon. Lumber is a major industry, and I've seen hillsides clear-cut and replanted, and ready for harvest again in a couple decades. I notice that on some hills they leave a few trees to provide natural seedlings while the plantings grow. They also don't log within a certain distance of streams or rivers, very aware of watershed. Since it's such an important business, they use sustainable practices. So that's good! Doug and Leo, what you showed in your video is so sad! What a horrible way to treat the land. Thank you for sharing the "what and why" of proper logging practices. A little care at the outset can reap benefits for years to come!
Makes me sick to see that logging operations still do this kind of devastation and I thank you so much Doug for showing us what has been going on with the forests there. I've been looking around in the Ozarks so that I can return to my country roots and now it seems that I need to be more aware nowadays... I really enjoy all the videos you put up, takes me back to when I was growing up.
I’m just a arborist, I know very little about logging, I can fell a tree of variety of sizes. But this information is a true balance of education! Thanks uncle Doug & Aunt Stacy Joe
I'm dealing with some of that here. The high ground is very poor and very thin soil (logged 75-100 yrs ago). I've been spreading wood chips over 3 acres for going on 4 years and just started to get clover to grow. People sometimes don't consider long term effects😥
In my situation, farmers removed Sonoran Saguaros in the 1950s to attempt to turn the desert into farmland. After years of agricultural ups and downs, the local city bought out most of the farms to preserve and restore the underlying aquifer. I will never see a mature saguaro in my lifetime on my property. They cost about $100/ft to purchase and it takes almost 50 years before they get their first branch.
Unfortunately, alot of Conservatives who are more likely to live in the country or to move off grid see 'Forest Preservation' as a LIBERAL thing and thus don't support any bills that are attempting to slow or stop the 'raping' of the land. Your so right, we have to preserve the land if we want to be able to grow the food we want to preserve.
@@laurelweiner8 And I'm sure the Conservatives YOU KNOW are as you say but IN GENERAL they do not and that can be tracked by the voting records as RECORDED by their ELECTED officials.
Both conservative and liberal politicians do what the lobbyists pay them to do once they are in office. They forget what their constituents put them there for.
how horrible to injure nature this way. Thank you for caring and also spreading about the word about this appalling event. Love and greetings from the Netherlands
Important video. Thank you both because I’ve been looking to move to Missouri, Arkansas for 5 years. The only time I saw something like this is after devastating tornadoes through the Shawnee National Forrest in southern Illinois.
Were I younger, had enough money, and relatives and/or friends to help me, I would dearly love to take that property and try to transform it into a beautiful piece of land for nature and humans.
My family and I have been looking at land and this video is so useful in looking at things. I would have never looked for a lot of this. So much information in this video. I appreciate it. Makes us look at land differently now.
This is a very educational video. I live in north of Portugal and I also see this kind of abbusive logging here. This is happening all over the world. We need more people like you and me, people that looks to the forests in a kind and beautiful way. We are not separated from forests/nature... we need them and they also need us. Thank you so much and greetings.
This is so tragic and makes me incredibly sad. I grew up camping in the Missouri Ozarks with my family. It was a beautiful area. I knew that the giant land rush to the Ozarks over the past few years couldnt be good for the area but this is more devastating than I knew. Heartbreaking to see.
This land is called "cut over" land I bought my land (15 acres) and immediately started planting stands of loblolly and shortleaf pine across the grade down some pretty sharp slopes. Planting herbs on the north slopes. In 2009, these areas were hit by a devastating ice storm and broke many of the trees literally in two. A six acre fire than followed by some of the rainiest weather we have ever recorded made portions of the property wash off in sheet erosion. I have been building small rock walls (plenty of rocks) across the slope to try and remedy that. It is all a chore.
Sounds like you'll be having fun with it for a long time. I hope you enjoy this kind of work. My little yard kicks my rear every day. But I enjoy it too.
@@winniecash1654 Oh I do for certain. Like we say, it is a chore 😁 I am in the Ozark Plateaus myself. I discovered Ozark chinquapin chestnut trees popped out after the fire. Slowing the water down is most imperative. Tending to managing oaks re-establishing themselves in healthy coppices is a chore as well. I have put out multiple mushroom beds under the trees on the forest floor. Tend planted ginseng. With the dry, I have picked a bad year to do the mushroom beds, and had to water a lot until just these last weeks. It is busier in the fall, winter, and early spring when I can avoid chiggers and ticks.
@@frankenz66 I enjoy it too and wish I had learned this earlier in life. Sounds like your doing a terrific job of it. And yes, watch out for the bugs!!
@@winniecash1654 For sure concerning the bugs. I was in the military and became very ill and literally didn't have the health to do these things, but turning my health around in my forties afforded new undertakings. I had an 80 acre piece over 20 years ago and was just too ill at the time to work it, but couldn't pass the price. 22k. Didn't hang on to it though.
@Frank Taylor Forget about those bugs, and get yourself some chickens and other fowl to help you out on your property. Hopefully a bit of food from eggs, if they’re not poisoned with bad feed to stop laying, get some heritage meat birds possibly and definitely you’ll have good fertilizer!🎉
I am heartsick over all the destruction in all parts of our magnificent country. My area in Oklahoma, acre after acre of prairie and native trees are being plowed over to make ready for tracts of cookie cutter homes and multi unit apartments. Then the commerce moves in and concrete and black top is everywhere, not to mention the trash. I would rather smell cow farts and cow patty’s then the stench of another fast food restaurant. Great video.
@@drunkingsailor2359 yes, noise level is unreal, I have been dealing with this, and as more trees cut down the sounds carry further, and can hear, them at all hours day and night, early mornings now, at 5:30- 6: 00, start your day extra early, whether you want to or not, once awake , I usually can not go back to sleep.
You guys are wonderful. Please do many more of picking a plot of land, and evaluating its features and worth for farming, silvaculture, bee keeping, portable saw mill etc. for homesteading God Bless you guys and your families
I bought land in WV which use to be logging land. It does have some logging roads but the wild game use them as trails. The locals were able to purchase a $10 wood permit to cut and haul away dead fall. They were also allowed to hunt with a permit too. This greatly helped the people as WV is a poor state. Many around here have wood furnaces and the available wood kept them warm during the winter. Have to say that we have a nice piece of land. Due diligence is key. Make sure to purchase the right land for what you want to do. You can also talk to your state extension about timber management. We have definitely cut a lot of trees. To many is also not good for a forest.
Oh great! Thanks for the info. You seem to know a bit about this stuff. So how do I know what I can and can't remove, or how much I can clear to try and clean up an area of property? To be used for planting, or for building a greenhouse, chicken coops, etc... If it's just a little scruffy and unkept. Ya know. Because after seeing this, I don't want to destroy anything, or cause permanent damage. Or who can I contact to talk to about the best ways to go about what we wish to do with our property? Just curious if you'd have any knowledge to offer. Since you're already clued in some. Thanks. 🙂
Thank you both for being so passionate about the land. hopefully some future potential buyers can be better educated when buying into the homesteader life.
Thank you so much for sharing this information. You just saved me from a "deal." We have a small farmette in the Chesapeake watershed region and we have been looking for 30+ acres that we can afford in the Appalachian mountains. We found what looked like a really great deal in Lee County, VA and were about to make an offer tomorrow. I see this video and it's a near mirror of what we're looking at buying. I sincerely thank you. I believe this was Devine intervention. God Bless.
Great information Doug and Dr Leo! I keep all my trees standing till they decide to fall. Even the dead trees have so much life in them with the birds and insects and bees🥰❤ great video!
God really appreciates when people take care of his Earth. This is very valuable information. I feel like as a beginner bushcrafting /off-the-grid enthusiast. I'm glad I looked at this kind of information before I started logging. That way I can be responsible about it. Thank you
Thanks for sharing this. My parents had land in northern Idaho and did regenerative logging, and used a forester. You could not see it was logged after a few years, and we replanted some tree's. This is a good lesson on how to manage the land, the planet. The land like this, hard logging, looks like a project for some one to regenerate, renew. Maybe the city folks that need a project, with the help from a good forester. I see potential with that land. All the dead tree's can be cut up, mulched, to rebuild the soil. With all the rocks, one could use that for the road base, with work, use that is their.
Keep up the good work guys,this is a message that needs pushing far and wide. People just seem to thrive in their own ignorance. Well done to you both.
The absolute most important thing when shopping for land is the neighbours! I know someone who bought 60 acres and when she moved onto the land she was basically harassed on a daily basis by the locals because they didn't want any outsiders in their area. She wound up having to give up and sell at a loss. When we were shopping for land, the first question we would ask the realtors was, "what are the locals like?" If we liked the answer, only then would we go look at the land.
Wow! I have always dreamed of living in the Ozarks area and it's heartbreaking to hear about how it's being ripped apart. Thanks for doing this video report and education guys. I learned a lot about what to look for and I'm sure it applies to everywhere.
Another excellent video! Thank you! I bought 20 acres of forest in the Mountains of Tennessee 7 years ago with dreams of our homesteading adventures. I had to cut a road, bring in electric, septic, water, and clear the house site area. It's pretty rural so we wanted to cut a firebreak also. Luckily I instructed a zigzag for the road but the firebreak area was cut and pulled mostly straight. We did mill the Hemlock for the house build and sold the high dollar trees which didn't even come close to pay for the gravel. 7 yrs later I am still chopping up bucking. I have made several Hugelculture beds. And now I have thousands of saplings that grew up where the firebreak was cut. I am currently in process of wattling retention areas and backfilling with compost across the runoff to utilize the saplings and retain the water. 3 yrs ago I planted fruit trees in the firebreak area half of them survived and I realized the runoff is what killed the ones that didn't make it due to lack of water. Wish I had this video 7 yrs ago. Thanks for the fantastic content. Very informative. 🌈❤️🌎✌️
Thank you for telling us this. There is a lot of logging in my area and searching for my homestead property it has been difficult. Now I'm informed of more things to be aware of.
Thanks so much!! This has been super informative. We have more living trees on our little quarter acre and now discovering all the wild plants on our land. Our urban homestead. The country gentleman that helps us mulches all our leaves and clipping is a God send. All the soil is rich and beautiful compared to our neighbors! AMAZING!
Thank you for this,Doug. It is always a pleasure to see Dr. Leo. Together, you two make a strong presence. It is hard to believe that in the year 2022 people are still doing such dumb, selfish, shortsighted land "management" (I use that term very loosely here). These are the people that cause the government to step in and legislate laws. But I suppose that mankind does have this in our genetic makeup. Not all landowners care for the land as much as they care for dollars in the bank. People make me so sad sometimes. But then there are people like Doug and Stacy and Dr. Leo who give us all hope. May God bless you and your families.
Thanks for sharing all your information ! I live in Canada and there is a big business in logging, thankfully the people that own the logging industry hire students to plant trees where any land has been cleared out. The students work all summer at this job,and they do a great job !
I had to re-comment, because Dr Leo almost said what I was thinking. A logger can earn more from bees than they can from trees, if they had the wisdom to know this.
@@McRod-1 Well, they were talking about ranchers and cattle, not bees. And loggers aren't thinking about down stream commercial opportunities. Maybe if lumber prices climbed due to scarcity greater interest would be shown in sustainable forestry although considering prices over the last couple years... maybe not so much, given how long term a forestry investment is.
@@MrPossumeyes I disagree with the doctor. The same applies to animal husbandry. The down stream commerce of meat producers far outweighs honey. Humans are carnivores. Honey is a additive to food like sugar, salt and herbs. Wax has limited marketability - about the same as fat or meat bi-products.
Although I can’t build houses from honey directly as stated, a person with a substantially sized bee farm could buy one from the $8+ per jar (and wax products produced) with very little overhead compared to lumber (when including gas, oil, transportation, insurance costs, skilled labor, compensation, training and safety costs, liability, cleanup, and more). ‘Stick-frame’ or SPF homes are not the only product used in homes these days as Insulated Concrete Forms (ICF) and more eco-friendly building styles are adapting to the demand in change to favour alternative and evolving products (at least in Canada, I can’t speak to other countries/regions). This does not mean I disagree with building from lumber altogether, but rather in a more sustainable and less environmentally damaging way.
Yes, he did say beef vs lumber. He also pointed out that, if you rape the land like this, it makes it difficult to raise cattle in a cost effective way because you can't feed them on land that will not grow healthy grass. Hay is expensive and getting more so.
Thank you both for the great advice. We’re having to solve this type of problem (erosion) on our own property. We are solving this issue with hugaculture just as you have described, and also trying to recapture the soil. Very difficult to fix, very difficult to observe. Here’s to hoping that we’re learning lessons. Due-diligence is a better option. Much love!
A few years ago I visited my grandfather's old farm. On his death, some Amish had bought the farm. After 30 years, I was really dismayed to see the condition it had fallen into. The orchards and berry patches were gone, the fields were eroding, the outbuildings were falling down, my grandmother's vegetable garden was a swamp, no chickens, the pasture had more thistles than grass, and the woodlot was extremely sparse. But the house was brand new. Driving around the county, I noticed that every farm that looked to be in poor shape was owned by Amish. I guess they're too busy building furniture to care for the land. ... Central Wisconsin, Coulee region.
I have seen Amish here in MO buy nice land, and within five years the place was shit. Gullies eroded, logged out the wooded ground then overgrazed it and all the top soil washed away, their livestock look like their half starved, etc.
THANK YOU to you and the Dr. Leo! It should win an Environmental Award for your comprehensive exploration of the dynamics at work and the players responsible. I AM one of those dreamers from California, so now I am better aware of the red flags. I use to raise bees (as a hobby), and I loved hearing about the idea of starting wildland colonies! Keep up the great work!
I raise Red Oak and Burl Oak from seed in 2-gallon pots. When the trees are established enough, I randomly plant them wherever (meaning, not necessarily on my own properties) I think they will thrive and often two or three at a time, because I'm just weird like that!🤪
Just wanted to mention to Doug that his channel especially and among a couple others are rhe reason that I relocated from Scottsdale/ Phx AZ to the Ozarks. I ended up with a great place and great neighbors. I'm so grateful to have found this place. I had other ideas and plans and was feeling defeated that covid plandemic made those plans impossible, but after watching your channel I became very curious. I researched all over. I was able to find an 80 acre parcel with a nice home. I'm handicapped so building a house just isn't an option. I would have preferred to build but oh well. Thank God I am in the blessed situation that I am in with what's happening in our world. God Bless Happy Easter and I hope to maybe one day make your acquaintance.
Doug and Dr Leo thank you both for such important information, I have seen land like this and I never understood what happened to it. Now you have given me the answers a very serious situation that is going on in our lives with Mother Earth has been going through so much abuse 😥
Love the work you guys are making. Continue to spread the awareness around. I love the forest, and grew sick and tired when people are not just lazy and ignorant, but purposely maximize the damage on the environment. Talking about endowment and giving our children the best, this is a shame to all that lofty words.
Only about 1/2 through the video, I keep pausing to show some points to my husband. He gets permits yearly to harvest left trees on county land after being harvested. There is a lot of great information in this! Thank you for sharing!
Thanks for this educational video. So many things I didn't know. I moved to the Ozarks (Huntsville, AR) 9 years ago when I retired. I bought 20 acres with the idea of homesteading as much as possible. I have tried to be a good steward of my property but there's so much I still don't know. I want bees but they are very intimidating to me. I wish there were a local beekeeper that could work with me and guide me through the process of raising and harvesting the bees.
First off...very sad to see this done to what was I'm sure a beautiful forest. That being said...wow...this video is packed with great info and presented in clear and easy to understand talk. I don't think I've ever learned this much from one video. You two are both great teachers and your love for the land shows. Thank you.
Man, I developed a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach as I watched this. Thank you, nonetheless, for getting this information out; it’s so important! Thank you! 🙏💛👏🏼
This is one of the most fantastic and valuable videos I have ever watched. Fantastic job you two. More content on this in even more detail would be worthy of watching!! Thank you guys for sharing your wonderful knowledge. Much love
Thank you Dr Leo for sharing your knowledge, and thank you Doug for showing this awful devastation. Wish people were brought up to appreciate nature and be good stewards, instead of just destroying it all.
This is valuable information for those that don’t know better. It is sad to see the land in such bad shape. My Aunt had a neighbor clear cut 15 acres beside her. She said it looked like a plucked chicken.
very important personally. I see now what I need to do with the dying hemlocks on my land. The prior logging was done carefully by a mountain man--no skid steer, no bulldozers. Thank you!
I'm hoping to get my company going. I'm goal is to buy as much land as I can to keep it natural and use natural means of farming with nature not against. Permaculture is how my farms will be ran. Next is to try and replenish our pollinators.
Years ago my mother-in-law hired a company went with them told them exactly which trees they could log and where the equipment could be used. When she returned she found they took what they wanted and damaged the land....it was a nightmare. We went in and replanted but only a small amount survived...so make sure someone is with them
So glad you all are shedding some light on this. Have seen this happen all over Missouri. To many wanting to cut corners and if they would just do things the right way, it would do so much to help so many things. Thank you very much for putting this out there.
My first time commenting Doug. I watch your channel sometimes. Originally American, moved to Europe years ago, America lost alot of pride these last years, but I always said the nature in America is like no where else. I say you go hiking in America you won't run into a town. A 1 hour hike you can suffer hypothermia get lost and die. You gotta have a clue going in nature in America. I was always proud of the natural beauty of America. This makes me cry, I am not a Phd forestery nothing but even the average eye can see this land is barren, it has been stripped. I just bought my little piece of heaven in Portugal, it is currently on grid in a village, (I am realistic I know I need to be near facilities as I age), but I am slowly doing all my systems off grid. I am a 54 year old woman alone, I haven't a clue about gardening, but I am gonna learn, grow as much as I can, and what I can't produce myself I will buy local without pesticide. This gentleman's explanation is great very easy to understand, his passion for land is wonderful. (I think I have a crush😉). Stacey's info is amazing, will be trying out her garlic honey tonic and other things. My wood cook stove arrives Monday, but you guys just made me aware to be careful of my wood source. Take care y'all.
Good thoughts guys! It could cost a ton to restore that land. Some might think the leftover trees would provide extra firewood. However, once those thousands of leftover trees sit for a season, they will start getting bugs and it will be double or triple the work to pick out good wood, then your firewood source would be greatly diminished. Better to leave all the trees in place and use the ones that die naturally.
Breaks my heart to see what has been done to our natural landscape. I am terrified to buy land, which is the last dream I have. Just wonder if there is any untouched land left, or land that won’t be encroached upon by someone with more money than me.
Here in Washington State you have to know if the land had ever been used as an orchard years ago. Arsenic and lead were used as pesticides or maybe fungicides and the soil is loaded with it. My brother once found really cheap land in Colorado which was old uranium mining tailings. Too much radiation exposure if staying there a long time. He decided to buy pretty, pristine land at 9,000 ft. At that elevation he is getting more radiation exposure than he would have gotten on the tailings. Different kind of radiation exposure, but still….As for me, I found a nice site for a house in sage lands. Had no idea just how many fires run through and now, after fire right up to my house, my house is surrounded by firebreaks, the equivalent of strip mining or clear cutting. I mourn all the life that used to live in those firebreaks, but they have saved my house 2 more times. Oh, and the amount of glyphosate I use to keep them clear is a tragedy. The older I get, the more I have to depend on the herbicide. The least labor intensive firebreak is grass but that takes more water than I am allowed to use out of my residential well, and grass is just another form of environmental destruction unless you can use it to feed livestock.
@@YeshuaKingMessiah Hey, don't dis "the Dakotas." The Red River of The North valley (around I29 corridor) has some of the richest soil in the world. You have elbow room and people are generally nice and polite. The political climate is generally conservative, less so in the city. The downside is that the winters can be brutal!! Family lives in this climate and can attest to this fact. However, you have good job prospects and clean air and water.
We live in north Arkansas and den trees are left in my area. I am sure there are bees here also.The land we have has been logged many times but you will not know it. The under story is very thick. It has many large trees still on it. I planted pine in a few places but most is natural regeneration. The skid roads are gone now covered in trees in a few years. The one thing we have better soil than the area you are in. Our soil is not great just better. I have oaks that have limbs as large as trees. Thanks for sharing hate when nature is destroyed and not used properly.
I’m a young city guy from Boston Massachusetts. This just became my new favorite channel. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and actually getting out there and showing us real world examples of the negative affects that us as humans unfortunately have in our environment. It makes me appreciate the earth more and want to change things that I do daily, even from the city. Your attitude is amazing, and I can’t explain again how much I appreciate the knowledge. Keep the videos coming please! I hope to someday buy land of my own and live off of it to a certain extent. I love the knowledge. Nice to know what to look for, and how i could properly do things to benefit not only myself but the land for generations.
One other thing - I went to a memorial in one of our state parks, there were several dozen oaks trees that were over a hundred years old. The ground had thousands of acorns laying around. With permission I swept up enough acorns to fill a 55 gallon trash can. I planted those acorns over my property and have seen several nice oaks trees sprout as a result.
That's so awesome!!
Thank you!
Fantastic idea!
Well...I love oaks, but after buying 30 acres in WA and applying for building permit I had to pay for county to scout the property to see how many oaks there are. Apparently white oaks are protected here and if you have 8 or more per acre you can't build...we were lucky but had to move our site a bit to stay 150 feet from the oak I believe. Our neighbor has a nice tree right on the edge and we thankfully were able to fit in between ours and their. But it could of been far worse...like having to move utilities and make road in the back of the property somewhere...
@@beautifulhomestead1174 Its awful you have that much regulation to contend with. I'm happy it worked out for you.
We purchased just such a track in southern MO. It was 40 acres and they were asking $80k. We laughed, said it looked like a bomb went off... told the agent it was a mess and would cost thousands to fix the ecological disaster they created.
We offered $500/acre and were emphatic that the land, in its current state, wasn’t capable of growing, logging or even habitation. They declined and came back with $60k. We stayed firm and kept our offer at $20k.
They accepted.
It cost us $20,000 to remediate. Trackhoe and dozer work cleared stumps, dead tree tops left over, small logs they cut and didn’t want and graded to fill in washouts. We then broadcast native grass and oats.
It’s now picture perfect. Just remember folks... YOU, the buyer, establish the value - not the seller or the agent or what other suckers were willing to pay (market price). YOU establish the value.
That would make an awesome timelapse video! Would definitely watch something if you shared your process and what it looks like now.
Phenomenal! Will you mentor me?
Would you like to have a discussion with my tax assessor??
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Thanks i told the realtor that today! We have gained over 150k value in our place in the city and we're trying to look at another place out of town they wanted proof of a pre-approval before they show us I said I know what I want can spend and what I'm wanting I need to look before I do anything
I can't believe my state is looking like this. It is heartbreaking. I was raised here and had loggers in my family. Never saw destruction like this growing up. Greed is a life ending disease.
Greed-- the current real estate market-- slumlord sell-off, slumlords selling their trashed rental houses to more slumlords with buckets of cash, and the individual and families be damned. No wonder so many of us are left to seek a vacant lot and try to make a home from scratch.
Iron Eyes Cody would be crying for sure... There's also a scripture that says God destroys those who destroy the earth. It's in Revelations.
@@brendaann727 Revelation*. No "s" on the end.
Yes it is!
My neighbor did this to his land. Now he is going to sell it. Someone is going to be snookered. If you are looking in Madison co. be sure to go next door and talk to the neighbor. I will be more than happy to tell you what he did. wink wink Barter your way down, but no soil is left. You will have to buy new soil. Caveat Emptor for sure. Get educated before you buy.
We recently purchased a 6.5 acre property very similar to this! It can be reclaimed…not necessarily costly but definitely time consuming. Our first step was to hire a forestry mulcher to come in and grind up all of the fallen branches and invasive brush growth. We immediately planted a pasture mix and started running our goats through everything to keep the brush under control and help spread their lovely nitrogen droppings. Lots and lots of trash pick up, brush burning and spreading compost. It’s been 6 months and already the land is changing. Honestly it’s a labor of love…I feel good knowing that our efforts are helping to heal.
That's great news! This is sad.
Im proud of u guys.
@@standunitedorfall1863 Get your own mulcher or a landscaper with a large mulcher. We had a small mulcher on 1 acre which was overgrown but kept it busy for a long time.
God bless your efforts and helping mother nature to restore our earth's resources
homestead crossing dose this to there land before they sell it off .
Thank you for this video. My Dad gave me a few acres that was part of his family's property. I don't get to visit it very often since it is not close to home. Several years back, someone who lives close to the land, found me on facebook and sent me a note that he would be willing to cut the trees that have "gone bad" as a favor. He periodically sends a note like that to me. I've never approved it because I didn't really believe he was doing me "a favor," and he would most likely clear-cut trees. Recently a bunch of trees fell due to a storm. He sent me photos. I contacted my one remaining relative (elderly) in the area, and he had someone drive by the property to take photos. There are trees down but since they are not in the road or in anyone's way, I figured it would be best just to let them stay on the forest floor. The other land in the area was sold by other relatives and much of the trees were cut down for vacation cabins. The land completely changed. Breaks my heart. This video reinforces that I was right to have misgivings.
Other then they want to sell your wood, if they do enough work they can claim squatting since they took care of it.
My Grandma's farm was in the Ozarks. She would only allow specific trees to be logged and she watched everything they did. She cut just enough to add some money to her income. Her lands were always beautiful. Full of deer, turkey, walnut trees, bees, blackberry and gooseberries.
This gentleman is very very knowledgeable about land management. Thank him for all of us.
select cutting is very important
I live in the Ozarks right now and you would be surprised how many people just let loggers ruin the land. I saw this guy at a homestead conference and he is a great bee keeper.
Amen!
My mother had an extension agent come out and he marked the trees that would be healthy for the land to be cut down and she cut that down and got to tidy little sum, it was a beautiful day and the property was still beautiful
@@edriccooley6321 Yes. It improves the land for the future and generates some cash, if done right. Never let them strip it clean. Your water will dry up as dirty plugs up your creeks and your top soil is washed away.
Another good thing to do is allow a local knowledgeable beekeeper to put hives on your property. Just take some honey as payment. Those bees will help your land. I get black locust honey every year from my beekeeper. If you've never had it, it's the best honey I've ever had. Spring honey.
I live in this area where you filmed and it’s not just logging - it’s also people moving here and building huge homes and tearing down the woods to put in their powerlines with no regard.
I built my home, a modest one with minimal dirt work, mostly just my driveway and a leveled area for my home. Too bad people feel the need to build huge monstrosities and then clear many acres removing natural vegetation so they can show them off. I LOVE the fact that three seasons of the year, if you didn't know there is a house here you could drive past and not spot it.
They are doing the same in Texas it is heartbreaking. No place for the wildlife, roadkill everywhere , it's disgusting
This video is going to be shown to my grand kids for homeschool this next week. Good work. Thank you.
mine too
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Bless you for doing the good work! It is important that we don't leave the next generation blind to repeat the same mistakes!
I planned the same. Great, educational video.
Good for you, homeschooling your grandchildren. That's what we do desperately need on a gigantic scale. Well done! ❤️💫
My dad was a soils scientist for the SCS for 35 years so I am glad to see someone putting this information out there!
Honestly this is a corporate logging problem not a homesteaders problem. This is a problem with state and local laws allowing this to happen. I appreciate the video to bring this problem to light...
People have the government they deserve. Change takes education, then responsibility, then organization to right the corruption .
Holding those who are creating the problem and forcing the same on government bureaucrats via the courts as a last result. Or having a massive out cry by the public if that can be mustard in order to bring about the needed change.
I was looking at a lot of properties in the Ozarks last year on zillow and using Google maps to look at satellite images. I couldn't understand why I kept seeing huge properties with sparse thin trees and terrible looking land. Now I know why, thank you for putting this information out there.
Ozarks are overrated IMHO. I searched Mo. Ozark extensively (computer and in person) in 2011 before the latest "land rush".
Very little to recommend the area.
@@willbass2869 Micro farm for sale $140k 12ac MO 2 tiny homes well water/solar/etc Jacks Fork Farmstead Hwy 137 Willow Springs MO won't let me send link maybe it will show on Zillow doesn't qual for loan cash only option. Good luck and Godspeed!
Micro farm for sale $140k 12ac MO 2 tiny homes well water/solar/etc Jacks Fork Farmstead Hwy 137 Willow Springs MO won't let me send link maybe it will show on Zillow doesn't qual for loan cash only option. Good luck and Godspeed!
Same here. I've been looking there too and it's unbelievable how much of it looks like this.
And there are so many people in the Ozarks now. I left NW Arkansas because of the population growth.
We bought 10 acres and 8 acres will remain almost exactly as is… wild with trees that belong in the area. The rest will be native orchard trees, a house and garden beds. 😉 I’m with you on trying to maintain the land the way it was meant to be.
This is the best way...should be the only way.
Years ago when my grandparents first bought their land, my grandfather dug ten ft deep shafts into the ground and layered top soil, plant feed, and enriched compost and then planted his fruit trees on the spot. Those tress grew into amazing plants.
@@krispalermo8133 that is a LOT of digging especially in Missouri clay. 😉
@@moprepper5007 So sorry, I am from Illinois. And my grandparents mortage an old farm house which we later found out to be built around the 1867. So the dirt had already been cleared for a long time.
Now for the back wood cover ravines and other farmland. I tried pit digging in locations and with a few axes, homemade Specialized forge chiseled earth cutting hand shovels that you could 20lb sledge hammer the top of the handle to cut through all the old tree roots from long gone surface trees more than a foot thick roots that felt like clay and you could scrap around those old root systems like an archaeologist taking mineral samples.
I was a teenage bad @ss but that digging was hard labor. After around a yard down in a 2ft across hole, can't really call it a pit I pulled up a cluster of roots and posted them above ground level. Filled the hole with top soil compost and cut some high branches to get some good strait afternoon sunlight down on the spot.
Five different trees grew in a cluster on the spot and I had to walk a good hundred feet to find where the bark to match up on of the root clone growths. In short it was from a tree if you count the root rings where the old tree stump was 200 years old surrounded by sucker saplings.
Plants and soil can be nuts.
Same here, almost the exact same amt of land, etc. Agree totally
Oh, Doug... 😥 Were you in an area sold by a company that owner-finances "instantly?" They tell in their videos that "there was logging in this area recently." Thank you for revealing the harm being done to us all. I'm looking for property now, that's why i tuned in to this. God bless you for telling us what's happening-- a deal-breaker, for sure... 😣 You've done us a huge service... Reminds me of the scripture passage, "My people perish for lack of knowledge." Thank you for helping us, Doug and Stacy and Leo 🌳♥️🌲
It's "my people are destroyed (cut off) for lack of knowledge ..." Hosea 4:6
@@donnaleveron6511 I'm not super familiar with scripture.
What does it mean? Who was destroyed & what knowledge did they not know?
Thank you for your time
@@donnaleveron6511 Thank you for clarification-- Hosea 4:6. God says His people have remained silent and rejected Him. And since they reject Him and knowledge they could have had, He rejected them.
Micro farm for sale $140k 12ac MO 2 tiny homes well water/solar/etc Jacks Fork Farmstead Hwy 137 Willow Springs MO won't let me send link maybe it will show on Zillow doesn't qual for loan cash only option. Good luck and Godspeed!
I think I may know which company you're referring to. I don't think they do the actual logging. Looks like they buy the land after and subdivide it. Look into it first.
I used to hike with my dad all over my province, these ravines and skid trails are still there to this day and for all I know won't be fixed for decades after I've passed away. Thank you for giving information to this generation on how to properly treat their land.
What a great lesson for city slickers in just 30 minutes! Your videos are absolutely invaluable. Thank you!
One very important thing missed with the sticks in the air and debris is the increased chances of forest fires
Yes, that was my thought throughout the video, but it wasn't even mentioned. Those piles of leaves, twigs, and branches are perfect tinder for forest fires. That dry brush is also high enough and will burn hot enough to create crowning of the large old growth trees.
Otherwise, with responsible forestry management, the sun deprived ground vegetation simply burns off, without harming the trees.
Yall do realize forest fires almost never happen naturally. 99% of the time they are set by people on purpose. (The whole flicking a cigarette 🚬 is a lie) Anyone ever wonder why there is some big development company ready to come in and purchase a the "devastated" land. 😒 🤔
@@BraveNewWorld-1984 Then why do most forest fires start from lightning strikes at the beginning of rainy seasons?
Lies without words? I haven't heard of cigarette butts causing forest fires for decades, since most folks have sopped smoking.
Yes, there have been a few arsonists arrested for deliberately starting forest fires, but many others by accident.
There are far more caused by safety tow chains dragging on asphalt or downed power lines during storms.
Native Americans used to care for the forests with 'control burns' to keep dead brush in check, without crowning the healthy old growth trees. That's the proper solution to avoiding forest fires.
Developers with develop wherever the government will allow, as long as there's a profit to be made. If permitted, they will profit from deforesting an area, then profit even more by building upon the same land. This is why we need environmental regulations, including natural habitat zoning.
That was my first thought too.
A first step in finding an ethical logging company would be to make sure they are FSC certified (Forest Stewardship Council).
I made this exact mistake last year. I loved the property because of the running water all over it, but everything you said is so spot on especially talking about the logging road. It took thousands of $$ to get it to a viable point. After doing some work we figured it would take us 15-20 years to just clear the mess they had left, never mind amending the almost straight clay that was left behind after a couple years logging. Y’all listen to Doug! Don’t get snookered!
Suggest looking into Red Elder or another nitrogen fixing tree, plant some and let them go wild for a decade or so then you can thin out a good amount or all and leave your other trees to continue growing. Should help build good soil and keep erosion down.
Red Alder
I live in Florida and have tons of acorns off our massive Oaks. Would gladly donate if they were the right species
@@micheleh5269 Diversity is the best thing to keep disease and pest issues down, if they have to cross over multiple different species to reach the desired one then it's less likely to affect all your trees and gives a better chance to get the genetics that are resistant.
This is so sad......incredibly tragic what has been done to this area! Thank you for educating us that want to move here and homestead!
Thanks for bringing attention to this horendous land pillaging. As a forestry school grad I'm disheartened that these practices are still going on, hearkening back memories to the timber barren age of the early 1900s in the South and other regions. These companies should be named, shamed and made to pay for at least the riparian zone remediation.
I guarantee you that these logging companies have no idea the damage they cause and/or how to not cause damage. Has anyone tried to educate them? In fact, until I saw the video I didn't know. Kind of a harsh penalty for people that are unaware they're doing anything wrong. Now if you educate them and they continue to do it, then make'em pay. But surprise bills are rarely welcome.
I also had no idea as to how horribly damaged the ground can be by bad logging. Like I mentioned in a different post, I have seen it everywhere from the Carolinas all across down south, I just had no idea how much it devastated and ruined the land.💔😡
You also must absolutely believe it is not single owners buying up hundreds and hundreds of acres, it’s big corporations, hedge funds, 1% elites and even foreign governments coming in to destroy our land while they make a huge profit and leave people in a very dependent on the government way. Do your research, from what I understand Bill Gates is one of the largest farmland owners in our country!
He doesn’t give a darn about people, he wants to kill us all off just like his daddy did. So why do you think that man is buying up FARM LAND?!?!?
@@DrDangerPuppyI'm too sure on the exact mechanics of a car. but if i put a pipe bomb in that thing. I got a good idea it wouldn't work too well afterwards.
If it’s a law they broke then yes, they should. If not then I don’t agree with punishing people who didn’t break any laws.
Doug, This video should be shown to your local and state officials. Please Create a petition to stop this and to hold the loggers accountable for this destruction. This is more than buyer beware. Great job sharing this and informing the public… everyone, especially in your area should get involved.. many of the neighbors can be affected by this and not even know it. It could be costing them well. Thank you for the education.
Yes, and law should be made that if commercial loggers rape the land like this then are discovered that they did this, that they can be fined and even jailed if they don't come and make the land whole again.
@@veeforteeto5976 and take their licence away for ever to never have anything to do with nature. Idiots that is that.
Please stop asking government to fix the problems they create. Please. This seems to be an issue that can be remedied with public education, targeted discussions and yelp reviews. I'm not trying to be rude... I just don't want to pay any added taxes for a land purchase permit and remediation agreement. Nor do I want the government establishing another buearacracy tasked with checking up on the private maintenance of privately owned land.
@@jeas4980
Public education won't fix this.
This is in fact what Government is meant to do.
Stop greedy rich people from damaging the land of their neighbors by raping their own land.
By logging the way they did, they dried up springs that are necessary to grow food and cattle. It is government's responsibility to step in and not only prevent, but punish those that harmed the value of their neighbor's land.
Remember, in America, "We the People" are the overlords and government servants are our servant employees.
Government goes bad because People In Government Service get off on ego trips and start acting like they are overlords. In response, stupid morons that vote for the most popular rather than the most patriotic, keep voting them in so they think they are lords of the people rather than servants of the people.
Totally agree we all need to write letters and petition against unethical
Practices that are killing our environment and the land
Fact! A university in Californina conducted an experiment with logging the redwoods. two equal sized plots of forest land were logged. One was cleared and replanted right away. the other was selectively logged with just a few trees a year. over a 20 year period the selectively logged plot yeilded 30% more board feet of timber then the plot that was cleared and replanted.
Fact
That should be the case if you get a 1/4 inch of growth a year. In 4 years you gained 1 inch in diameter, that adds up to a lot on a Doyle scale, 10 years those trees gained 2 1/2 inched in diameter, again look at the Doyle scale. I think you get the idea. But remember delaying will come with loss also, heart of trees rot out, wind damage, blights, insect damage.
In the old days they would leave 10ft of tree so it would grow back and not be killed, to keep the forest alive
@@OFFGRIDwithDOUGSTACY Woodland management. Harvest respecting the forest. Clear the scrub and garbage. Clear the dead and dying. Limb up the healthy. A properly managed woodland, heathy growth and fire survival...
How sad they were REDWOOD TREES.
Hey Doug! I'm in Missouri, just watched this and ordered about 50 trees from the conservation department to plant around my place for around $20. Missouri residents have until April 15th to put in their orders this year. Thanks for the content!
Watching this video gave me the same impulse. I just wish I had the land, strength, and money to do this to some used up land.
$20 a piece? Of course I wonder what it would cost today?
@@sbuxton240 they sell them for just one or two dollars each. They are probably up for sale again right now for spring orders
@@StickyStanHoney Aw thank you!
Wow!
I live in southwest Missouri and it is heartbreaking the changes I have seen and that so many people don't care about what they do and how it is impacting the environment and the people around them as well as their descendants. I believe one of the most wicked and destructive attitudes throughout history is greed. Thank you for all your efforts to educate people.
This is so valuable!!!! I know that most of the people I know wouldn't have known this. NOW I wish I would have listened to my mom and her parents about the land. Thank you for caring about us. I appreciate you both for sharing.
This video needs to be shared all over the world. Thank you for putting this up. Amazing information on land management, logging, etc.
Yup, I'll sharing.
I watched a movie called “The Biggest Little Farm,” where they restored some land that had been environmentally devastated, perhaps even worse than the land you presented. I recommend it for those who are interested.
Thank you for the knowledge.
That documentary was EXCEPTIONAL and literally had me cheering and shedding tears. Thanks for mentioning this. I need to watch it again.
@@trevorrisley5419 - I was rooting for them too! …and you are most welcome.
I grew up in the northwest in Oregon. Lumber is a major industry, and I've seen hillsides clear-cut and replanted, and ready for harvest again in a couple decades. I notice that on some hills they leave a few trees to provide natural seedlings while the plantings grow. They also don't log within a certain distance of streams or rivers, very aware of watershed. Since it's such an important business, they use sustainable practices. So that's good!
Doug and Leo, what you showed in your video is so sad! What a horrible way to treat the land. Thank you for sharing the "what and why" of proper logging practices. A little care at the outset can reap benefits for years to come!
Makes me sick to see that logging operations still do this kind of devastation and I thank you so much Doug for showing us what has been going on with the forests there. I've been looking around in the Ozarks so that I can return to my country roots and now it seems that I need to be more aware nowadays... I really enjoy all the videos you put up, takes me back to when I was growing up.
I’m just a arborist, I know very little about logging, I can fell a tree of variety of sizes. But this information is a true balance of education!
Thanks uncle Doug & Aunt Stacy
Joe
🤯 I learned so much from this video. I just thought Dr. Leo was the bee guy, but his forestry information was mind-blowing.
Agree!
I'm dealing with some of that here. The high ground is very poor and very thin soil (logged 75-100 yrs ago). I've been spreading wood chips over 3 acres for going on 4 years and just started to get clover to grow. People sometimes don't consider long term effects😥
In my situation, farmers removed Sonoran Saguaros in the 1950s to attempt to turn the desert into farmland. After years of agricultural ups and downs, the local city bought out most of the farms to preserve and restore the underlying aquifer. I will never see a mature saguaro in my lifetime on my property. They cost about $100/ft to purchase and it takes almost 50 years before they get their first branch.
@@McRod-1 that's sad.
People really need to learn this. Sustainability and preservation so important.
Thank you for this very very important video.
Unfortunately, alot of Conservatives who are more likely to live in the country or to move off grid see 'Forest Preservation' as a LIBERAL thing and thus don't support any bills that are attempting to slow or stop the 'raping' of the land. Your so right, we have to preserve the land if we want to be able to grow the food we want to preserve.
@@Ms.Byrd68 disagree completely-the conservatives I know want to protect the forrest for future generations
@@laurelweiner8 And I'm sure the Conservatives YOU KNOW are as you say but IN GENERAL they do not and that can be tracked by the voting records as RECORDED by their ELECTED officials.
Both conservative and liberal politicians do what the lobbyists pay them to do once they are in office. They forget what their constituents put them there for.
how horrible to injure nature this way. Thank you for caring and also spreading about the word about this appalling event. Love and greetings from the Netherlands
Important video. Thank you both because I’ve been looking to move to Missouri, Arkansas for 5 years. The only time I saw something like this is after devastating tornadoes through the Shawnee National Forrest in southern Illinois.
Dr Leo needs to be a consultant for the logging industry. That land actually looks more damaged than a forest fire would do.
Such good content, I’m learning so much. Great to see Dr Leo and appreciate his love for the land. Thanks Doug.
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Were I younger, had enough money, and relatives and/or friends to help me, I would dearly love to take that property and try to transform it into a beautiful piece of land for nature and humans.
I wish 🤔
My family and I have been looking at land and this video is so useful in looking at things. I would have never looked for a lot of this. So much information in this video. I appreciate it. Makes us look at land differently now.
This is a very educational video. I live in north of Portugal and I also see this kind of abbusive logging here. This is happening all over the world. We need more people like you and me, people that looks to the forests in a kind and beautiful way. We are not separated from forests/nature... we need them and they also need us. Thank you so much and greetings.
They dont need us. We need them.
This is so tragic and makes me incredibly sad. I grew up camping in the Missouri Ozarks with my family. It was a beautiful area. I knew that the giant land rush to the Ozarks over the past few years couldnt be good for the area but this is more devastating than I knew. Heartbreaking to see.
This land is called "cut over" land I bought my land (15 acres) and immediately started planting stands of loblolly and shortleaf pine across the grade down some pretty sharp slopes. Planting herbs on the north slopes. In 2009, these areas were hit by a devastating ice storm and broke many of the trees literally in two. A six acre fire than followed by some of the rainiest weather we have ever recorded made portions of the property wash off in sheet erosion. I have been building small rock walls (plenty of rocks) across the slope to try and remedy that. It is all a chore.
Sounds like you'll be having fun with it for a long time. I hope you enjoy this kind of work. My little yard kicks my rear every day. But I enjoy it too.
@@winniecash1654 Oh I do for certain. Like we say, it is a chore 😁 I am in the Ozark Plateaus myself. I discovered Ozark chinquapin chestnut trees popped out after the fire. Slowing the water down is most imperative. Tending to managing oaks re-establishing themselves in healthy coppices is a chore as well. I have put out multiple mushroom beds under the trees on the forest floor. Tend planted ginseng. With the dry, I have picked a bad year to do the mushroom beds, and had to water a lot until just these last weeks. It is busier in the fall, winter, and early spring when I can avoid chiggers and ticks.
@@frankenz66 I enjoy it too and wish I had learned this earlier in life. Sounds like your doing a terrific job of it. And yes, watch out for the bugs!!
@@winniecash1654 For sure concerning the bugs. I was in the military and became very ill and literally didn't have the health to do these things, but turning my health around in my forties afforded new undertakings. I had an 80 acre piece over 20 years ago and was just too ill at the time to work it, but couldn't pass the price. 22k. Didn't hang on to it though.
@Frank Taylor Forget about those bugs, and get yourself some chickens and other fowl to help you out on your property. Hopefully a bit of food from eggs, if they’re not poisoned with bad feed to stop laying, get some heritage meat birds possibly and definitely you’ll have good fertilizer!🎉
I am heartsick over all the destruction in all parts of our magnificent country. My area in Oklahoma, acre after acre of prairie and native trees are being plowed over to make ready for tracts of cookie cutter homes and multi unit apartments. Then the commerce moves in and concrete and black top is everywhere, not to mention the trash. I would rather smell cow farts and cow patty’s then the stench of another fast food restaurant. Great video.
And the noise level created
@@drunkingsailor2359 yes, noise level is unreal, I have been dealing with this, and as more trees cut down the sounds carry further, and can hear, them at all hours day and night, early mornings now, at 5:30- 6: 00, start your day extra early, whether you want to or not, once awake , I usually can not go back to sleep.
Dr. Leo is a knowlegeable man... lots of useful information with explainations of how eco systems are affected.
THANK YOU DOUG AND DOCTOR FOR EDUCATING!!!
You guys should make more of these exposé videos. Thanks. It's always nice to see Dr. Leo.
You guys are wonderful. Please do many more of picking a plot of land, and evaluating its features and worth for farming, silvaculture, bee keeping, portable saw mill etc. for homesteading God Bless you guys and your families
I bought land in WV which use to be logging land. It does have some logging roads but the wild game use them as trails. The locals were able to purchase a $10 wood permit to cut and haul away dead fall. They were also allowed to hunt with a permit too. This greatly helped the people as WV is a poor state. Many around here have wood furnaces and the available wood kept them warm during the winter. Have to say that we have a nice piece of land. Due diligence is key. Make sure to purchase the right land for what you want to do. You can also talk to your state extension about timber management. We have definitely cut a lot of trees. To many is also not good for a forest.
Oh great! Thanks for the info. You seem to know a bit about this stuff. So how do I know what I can and can't remove, or how much I can clear to try and clean up an area of property? To be used for planting, or for building a greenhouse, chicken coops, etc...
If it's just a little scruffy and unkept. Ya know.
Because after seeing this, I don't want to destroy anything, or cause permanent damage. Or who can I contact to talk to about the best ways to go about what we wish to do with our property? Just curious if you'd have any knowledge to offer. Since you're already clued in some. Thanks. 🙂
Thank you both for being so passionate about the land. hopefully some future potential buyers can be better educated when buying into the homesteader life.
Thank you so much for sharing this information. You just saved me from a "deal." We have a small farmette in the Chesapeake watershed region and we have been looking for 30+ acres that we can afford in the Appalachian mountains. We found what looked like a really great deal in Lee County, VA and were about to make an offer tomorrow. I see this video and it's a near mirror of what we're looking at buying. I sincerely thank you. I believe this was Devine intervention. God Bless.
Great video. Too bad those loggers can't be held accountable. Thank you, Doug and Dr. Leo.
Wow…this was very informative! We have always lived in the city and are now looking for land. Thank you for educating us!!
Great information Doug and Dr Leo!
I keep all my trees standing till they decide to fall. Even the dead trees have so much life in them with the birds and insects and bees🥰❤ great video!
Wow who would of known thanks for ALL this information
God really appreciates when people take care of his Earth. This is very valuable information. I feel like as a beginner bushcrafting /off-the-grid enthusiast. I'm glad I looked at this kind of information before I started logging. That way I can be responsible about it. Thank you
Thanks for sharing this. My parents had land in northern Idaho and did regenerative logging, and used a forester. You could not see it was logged after a few years, and we replanted some tree's. This is a good lesson on how to manage the land, the planet. The land like this, hard logging, looks like a project for some one to regenerate, renew. Maybe the city folks that need a project, with the help from a good forester. I see potential with that land. All the dead tree's can be cut up, mulched, to rebuild the soil. With all the rocks, one could use that for the road base, with work, use that is their.
there not their. ffs you people shit me.
Keep up the good work guys,this is a message that needs pushing far and wide. People just seem to thrive in their own ignorance. Well done to you both.
Great great content. Big up Dr Leo always a pleasure watching
The absolute most important thing when shopping for land is the neighbours! I know someone who bought 60 acres and when she moved onto the land she was basically harassed on a daily basis by the locals because they didn't want any outsiders in their area. She wound up having to give up and sell at a loss. When we were shopping for land, the first question we would ask the realtors was, "what are the locals like?" If we liked the answer, only then would we go look at the land.
Thank you for bringing that to our attention. Great point!
THANK YOU DOUG....GOD BLESS YOU FOR SHARING KNOWLEDGE OF BUYING LAND... LOVE YOU DOUG AND STACY!!!
Wow! I have always dreamed of living in the Ozarks area and it's heartbreaking to hear about how it's being ripped apart. Thanks for doing this video report and education guys. I learned a lot about what to look for and I'm sure it applies to everywhere.
Another excellent video! Thank you! I bought 20 acres of forest in the Mountains of Tennessee 7 years ago with dreams of our homesteading adventures. I had to cut a road, bring in electric, septic, water, and clear the house site area. It's pretty rural so we wanted to cut a firebreak also. Luckily I instructed a zigzag for the road but the firebreak area was cut and pulled mostly straight. We did mill the Hemlock for the house build and sold the high dollar trees which didn't even come close to pay for the gravel. 7 yrs later I am still chopping up bucking. I have made several Hugelculture beds. And now I have thousands of saplings that grew up where the firebreak was cut. I am currently in process of wattling retention areas and backfilling with compost across the runoff to utilize the saplings and retain the water. 3 yrs ago I planted fruit trees in the firebreak area half of them survived and I realized the runoff is what killed the ones that didn't make it due to lack of water. Wish I had this video 7 yrs ago. Thanks for the fantastic content. Very informative. 🌈❤️🌎✌️
Thank you for telling us this. There is a lot of logging in my area and searching for my homestead property it has been difficult. Now I'm informed of more things to be aware of.
One of the best videos, Doug and Dr. Leo. Thank you for your time for educating us how to nurture mother nature with kindness.
Great, informative video. Every landowner or would-be-landowner should watch this and learn.
Thanks so much!! This has been super informative. We have more living trees on our little quarter acre and now discovering all the wild plants on our land. Our urban homestead. The country gentleman that helps us mulches all our leaves and clipping is a God send. All the soil is rich and beautiful compared to our neighbors! AMAZING!
Thank you for this,Doug. It is always a pleasure to see Dr. Leo. Together, you two make a strong presence. It is hard to believe that in the year 2022 people are still doing such dumb, selfish, shortsighted land "management" (I use that term very loosely here). These are the people that cause the government to step in and legislate laws.
But I suppose that mankind does have this in our genetic makeup. Not all landowners care for the land as much as they care for dollars in the bank.
People make me so sad sometimes.
But then there are people like Doug and Stacy and Dr. Leo who give us all hope.
May God bless you and your families.
But in the greater scheme private property is managed far better than public lands.
Thanks for sharing all your information ! I live in Canada and there is a big business in logging, thankfully the people that own the logging industry hire students to plant trees where any land has been cleared out. The students work all summer at this job,and they do a great job !
Thanks so much to the doctor for so many years of studies. And Doug for sharing this video.
Joe
Love the walkabout to keep all the great info coming. Thank you, Dr. Leo.
I had to re-comment, because Dr Leo almost said what I was thinking. A logger can earn more from bees than they can from trees, if they had the wisdom to know this.
There is a much bigger commerce chain in lumber than bees. The Dr. was not considering that aspect. You cant build houses out of bees wax.
@@McRod-1 Well, they were talking about ranchers and cattle, not bees. And loggers aren't thinking about down stream commercial opportunities. Maybe if lumber prices climbed due to scarcity greater interest would be shown in sustainable forestry although considering prices over the last couple years... maybe not so much, given how long term a forestry investment is.
@@MrPossumeyes I disagree with the doctor. The same applies to animal husbandry. The down stream commerce of meat producers far outweighs honey. Humans are carnivores. Honey is a additive to food like sugar, salt and herbs. Wax has limited marketability - about the same as fat or meat bi-products.
Although I can’t build houses from honey directly as stated, a person with a substantially sized bee farm could buy one from the $8+ per jar (and wax products produced) with very little overhead compared to lumber (when including gas, oil, transportation, insurance costs, skilled labor, compensation, training and safety costs, liability, cleanup, and more). ‘Stick-frame’ or SPF homes are not the only product used in homes these days as Insulated Concrete Forms (ICF) and more eco-friendly building styles are adapting to the demand in change to favour alternative and evolving products (at least in Canada, I can’t speak to other countries/regions). This does not mean I disagree with building from lumber altogether, but rather in a more sustainable and less environmentally damaging way.
Yes, he did say beef vs lumber. He also pointed out that, if you rape the land like this, it makes it difficult to raise cattle in a cost effective way because you can't feed them on land that will not grow healthy grass. Hay is expensive and getting more so.
This is heartbreaking to see such carelessness and greed doing so much damage to beautiful land!
Thank you both for the great advice. We’re having to solve this type of problem (erosion) on our own property. We are solving this issue with hugaculture just as you have described, and also trying to recapture the soil. Very difficult to fix, very difficult to observe. Here’s to hoping that we’re learning lessons. Due-diligence is a better option. Much love!
Thank you for this helpful video!
A few years ago I visited my grandfather's old farm. On his death, some Amish had bought the farm. After 30 years, I was really dismayed to see the condition it had fallen into. The orchards and berry patches were gone, the fields were eroding, the outbuildings were falling down, my grandmother's vegetable garden was a swamp, no chickens, the pasture had more thistles than grass, and the woodlot was extremely sparse. But the house was brand new. Driving around the county, I noticed that every farm that looked to be in poor shape was owned by Amish. I guess they're too busy building furniture to care for the land. ... Central Wisconsin, Coulee region.
They treat their animals like shit too
WTH....
Not what I would have expected.
@@aungar2403 My grandfather's old 1952 Allis-Chalmers tractor was still running.
I have seen Amish here in MO buy nice land, and within five years the place was shit. Gullies eroded, logged out the wooded ground then overgrazed it and all the top soil washed away, their livestock look like their half starved, etc.
THANK YOU to you and the Dr. Leo! It should win an Environmental Award for your comprehensive exploration of the dynamics at work and the players responsible. I AM one of those dreamers from California, so now I am better aware of the red flags. I use to raise bees (as a hobby), and I loved hearing about the idea of starting wildland colonies!
Keep up the great work!
I raise Red Oak and Burl Oak from seed in 2-gallon pots. When the trees are established enough, I randomly plant them wherever (meaning, not necessarily on my own properties) I think they will thrive and often two or three at a time, because I'm just weird like that!🤪
You're like Johnny Appleseed without the apples
Thank you for being weird. ;)
Just wanted to mention to Doug that his channel especially and among a couple others are rhe reason that I relocated from Scottsdale/ Phx AZ to the Ozarks. I ended up with a great place and great neighbors. I'm so grateful to have found this place. I had other ideas and plans and was feeling defeated that covid plandemic made those plans impossible, but after watching your channel I became very curious. I researched all over. I was able to find an 80 acre parcel with a nice home. I'm handicapped so building a house just isn't an option. I would have preferred to build but oh well. Thank God I am in the blessed situation that I am in with what's happening in our world. God Bless Happy Easter and I hope to maybe one day make your acquaintance.
Well done!
Doug and Dr Leo thank you both for such important information, I have seen land like this and I never understood what happened to it. Now you have given me the answers a very serious situation that is going on in our lives with Mother Earth has been going through so much abuse 😥
Love the work you guys are making. Continue to spread the awareness around. I love the forest, and grew sick and tired when people are not just lazy and ignorant, but purposely maximize the damage on the environment. Talking about endowment and giving our children the best, this is a shame to all that lofty words.
Only about 1/2 through the video, I keep pausing to show some points to my husband. He gets permits yearly to harvest left trees on county land after being harvested. There is a lot of great information in this! Thank you for sharing!
Thanks for this educational video. So many things I didn't know. I moved to the Ozarks (Huntsville, AR) 9 years ago when I retired. I bought 20 acres with the idea of homesteading as much as possible. I have tried to be a good steward of my property but there's so much I still don't know. I want bees but they are very intimidating to me. I wish there were a local beekeeper that could work with me and guide me through the process of raising and harvesting the bees.
Try your local beekeepers club. Here the members are really helpful to new beekeepers. Also, they offer an introductory class.🐝
@@amyschaefer1140 I was going to say the same.
I’m a forester, and we can’t blame all of this on the loggers. The landowners greed to get every last dollar led to this.
Buy ,, cut everything 12” and up ,, sell
Yes, it's "investors" buying up land, destroying it and selling at a higher price for even more profit 😥
Agreed, but if the logging companies say "no that's not how we do it" then the greedy landowner would have to get out there and do it themselves.
I understand what you a saying but a ethical Logger will never just do what the owner demands.
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First off...very sad to see this done to what was I'm sure a beautiful forest. That being said...wow...this video is packed with great info and presented in clear and easy to understand talk. I don't think I've ever learned this much from one video. You two are both great teachers and your love for the land shows. Thank you.
Man, I developed a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach as I watched this. Thank you, nonetheless, for getting this information out; it’s so important! Thank you! 🙏💛👏🏼
This is one of the most fantastic and valuable videos I have ever watched. Fantastic job you two. More content on this in even more detail would be worthy of watching!! Thank you guys for sharing your wonderful knowledge. Much love
Thank you for bringing this situation to light, and educating others on the right way to log with sustainability.
Thank you Dr Leo for sharing your knowledge, and thank you Doug for showing this awful devastation. Wish people were brought up to appreciate nature and be good stewards, instead of just destroying it all.
This is valuable information for those that don’t know better. It is sad to see the land in such bad shape. My Aunt had a neighbor clear cut 15 acres beside her. She said it looked like a plucked chicken.
very important personally. I see now what I need to do with the dying hemlocks on my land. The prior logging was done carefully by a mountain man--no skid steer, no bulldozers. Thank you!
I'm hoping to get my company going. I'm goal is to buy as much land as I can to keep it natural and use natural means of farming with nature not against. Permaculture is how my farms will be ran.
Next is to try and replenish our pollinators.
Years ago my mother-in-law hired a company went with them told them exactly which trees they could log and where the equipment could be used. When she returned she found they took what they wanted and damaged the land....it was a nightmare. We went in and replanted but only a small amount survived...so make sure someone is with them
@@kathybruton2186 I will do all the work myself. I'm not one to let others do things I would not approve of.
This video is extremely educational. I learned so much from the information given. Thank you so much for publishing this.
So glad you all are shedding some light on this. Have seen this happen all over Missouri. To many wanting to cut corners and if they would just do things the right way, it would do so much to help so many things. Thank you very much for putting this out there.
Thanks for sharing Doug & Dr. Leo. This is a brilliant basic need to know video. It is my wish that the loggers pay attention to your advice too.
My first time commenting Doug. I watch your channel sometimes. Originally American, moved to Europe years ago, America lost alot of pride these last years, but I always said the nature in America is like no where else. I say you go hiking in America you won't run into a town. A 1 hour hike you can suffer hypothermia get lost and die. You gotta have a clue going in nature in America. I was always proud of the natural beauty of America. This makes me cry, I am not a Phd forestery nothing but even the average eye can see this land is barren, it has been stripped. I just bought my little piece of heaven in Portugal, it is currently on grid in a village, (I am realistic I know I need to be near facilities as I age), but I am slowly doing all my systems off grid. I am a 54 year old woman alone, I haven't a clue about gardening, but I am gonna learn, grow as much as I can, and what I can't produce myself I will buy local without pesticide. This gentleman's explanation is great very easy to understand, his passion for land is wonderful. (I think I have a crush😉). Stacey's info is amazing, will be trying out her garlic honey tonic and other things. My wood cook stove arrives Monday, but you guys just made me aware to be careful of my wood source. Take care y'all.
Good thoughts guys! It could cost a ton to restore that land.
Some might think the leftover trees would provide extra firewood. However, once those thousands of leftover trees sit for a season, they will start getting bugs and it will be double or triple the work to pick out good wood, then your firewood source would be greatly diminished. Better to leave all the trees in place and use the ones that die naturally.
Breaks my heart to see what has been done to our natural landscape. I am terrified to buy land, which is the last dream I have. Just wonder if there is any untouched land left, or land that won’t be encroached upon by someone with more money than me.
Only in uninhabitable climates like Dakotas, MT, Alaska, the USSR of Canada maybe
When looking at and buying land do your research with the county before signing on the dotted line.
Here in Washington State you have to know if the land had ever been used as an orchard years ago. Arsenic and lead were used as pesticides or maybe fungicides and the soil is loaded with it. My brother once found really cheap land in Colorado which was old uranium mining tailings. Too much radiation exposure if staying there a long time. He decided to buy pretty, pristine land at 9,000 ft. At that elevation he is getting more radiation exposure than he would have gotten on the tailings. Different kind of radiation exposure, but still….As for me, I found a nice site for a house in sage lands. Had no idea just how many fires run through and now, after fire right up to my house, my house is surrounded by firebreaks, the equivalent of strip mining or clear cutting. I mourn all the life that used to live in those firebreaks, but they have saved my house 2 more times. Oh, and the amount of glyphosate I use to keep them clear is a tragedy. The older I get, the more I have to depend on the herbicide. The least labor intensive firebreak is grass but that takes more water than I am allowed to use out of my residential well, and grass is just another form of environmental destruction unless you can use it to feed livestock.
@@elizabethfletcher1487 very sad
@@YeshuaKingMessiah Hey, don't dis "the Dakotas." The Red River of The North valley (around I29 corridor) has some of the richest soil in the world. You have elbow room and people are generally nice and polite. The political climate is generally conservative, less so in the city. The downside is that the winters can be brutal!! Family lives in this climate and can attest to this fact. However, you have good job prospects and clean air and water.
We live in north Arkansas and den trees are left in my area. I am sure there are bees here also.The land we have has been logged many times but you will not know it. The under story is very thick. It has many large trees still on it. I planted pine in a few places but most is natural regeneration. The skid roads are gone now covered in trees in a few years. The one thing we have better soil than the area you are in. Our soil is not great just better. I have oaks that have limbs as large as trees. Thanks for sharing hate when nature is destroyed and not used properly.
I’m a young city guy from Boston Massachusetts. This just became my new favorite channel. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and actually getting out there and showing us real world examples of the negative affects that us as humans unfortunately have in our environment. It makes me appreciate the earth more and want to change things that I do daily, even from the city. Your attitude is amazing, and I can’t explain again how much I appreciate the knowledge. Keep the videos coming please! I hope to someday buy land of my own and live off of it to a certain extent. I love the knowledge. Nice to know what to look for, and how i could properly do things to benefit not only myself but the land for generations.