Congratulations on one of the most impressive organ pipe sound tracks on You-Tube! On my IB subwoofer it was simply devastating! Clean and low and realistic. Unlike all of the big pipe organ demo videos here where there is only noise and zero infrasonics. You actually managed to put some excursion on my drivers and make the walls and floor shake. This is a first for You-Tube in my experience. Well done!
@uyvl It's surprising how much energy there is in this low frequency even though it seems very quiet. Inside a reverberant church the low rumble is pretty noticeable even under full organ, although for the big effects the organ also has a 32' reed, which is VERY powerful. These pipes are expensive, but worth every penny!
You're right organist 1982 ! This 32' F flue pipe does sound a G, (even slightly a bit lower at a 440hz) and I'm also in the club of low frequency lovers ! (how's a Cavaillé-Coll Contrebombarde 32' for you ?!) In fact as well we should "listen" to this video with good headphones only; thanks for posting, it is a refreshing change ! (not that organ videos aren't good on TH-cam!... lol) p.s.: Hello to my co-citizen keanur1 ! JW
Seems like one such 24'-pipe needs as much air as a small positive organ - impressing video! If one imagined that a similar Cavaillé-Coll pipe needs the double amount of air...
Well, I listened to the video through my high-quality headphones so I could hear the tone decently; I have almost perfect pitch, and I've spent alot of time listening to 32' notes, because I've been fascinated by extreme bass ever since I was a kid (I'm now 26)! Thanks for the video; it's awesome! I wish you could make a similar video of a 32' CCCC pipe.
Actually, principal pipes produce a more complex wave than a sinewave, owing to the fairly complete harmonic structure of the sound. So in addition to the powerful ca. 20hz fundamental, there is a train of harmonic overtones which make the pitch much easier to determine than, say, a 32' Bourdon, which only produces odd numbered harmonics. And this pipe is close to a G or a sharp F#, since the pipe had two feet cut off the end to fit in the truck. But it started as an F.
Wow! Paul Koch is legendary at St. Paul's! The largest pipes were collapsing in many places, but mainly the feet were deforming terribly and the pipes didn't speak. The black object is a piece of felt attached to the front of the languid in an attempt to keep the pipe speaking. Sometimes it works. My personal work entailed refurbishing the keyboards and console action, and installing and tuning about 3000 flue pipes as the organ went back together(in eight days!). Thanks for the comment!
Amazing! All audio equipment has a bass roll off which is cumulative as it passes along the audio chain. Yet you still managed to record infrasonics which could actually be reproduced on my subwoofer at home via the internet. I'm a pipe organ fan and have been listening TH-cam videos out of curiosity to see if the internet medium was capable of reproducing big pipe infrasonics. Not one of these videos (so far ) has produced infrasonics from my IB subwoofer except yours. Great video BTW. :-)
@robertgift I had the privilidge of giving a recital on the St Paul's Beckerath in October 2000 (I am a Pittsburgh native - GO STEELERS!!!!) and used the 32' Principal on some of the pieces, especially the Widor Tocotta. It worked well then.
Yes, but the organ is once again functioning as Mr. Biggs knew it! It was re-dedicated last Tuesday evening (1-6-09) in an excellent concert by James David Christie. I was there, and it was a wonderful event! As for the removed 32' pipes, they are enjoying their retirement....
Do you know who is doing the work at the Oratory? I hope those pipes are in better shape than these- they go down to 32' CCCC! These were collapsing so badly there was no other choice but to replace them. Most were recycled (a somewhat ignominious fate), and one or two will adorn our shop. Watch our website (Taylor and Boody) to see what happens.
Tin eh? An interesting price tag would be tied around the feet of each of *those* I imagine! Great to hear that there are still those around, willing to pay for quality a product. Thanks for this interesting snippet of information.
The plugging scene of the blower sort of reminds me Michael J Fox in the first Back to the Future movie, when he plugs in his guitar in that mega amp and speaker! ... although this 32' flue pipe provocing here much less destruction ! lol !
What a great, well done video! What was collapsing? The foot? Why? Bad Rudolf, bad Rudolf. What is the black in the middle of the slit? What did you do? Thank you for this. My late uncle Paul Koch, St. Paul's organist, was my father's sister's husdand. He was so much fun and so funny. I last saw him in 1995. Kay Koch now lives in Ft. Collins, Colorado near their son Damien.
Hang on to those pipes if you can and wait for zinc prices to raise. I had to liquidate the lower 8ctve of a 16' Principal from the 1960's and was pleasantly surprised with the metal scrappers compensation. If I'd been able to scrap them a year earlier the payout would have been doubled. Of course as I was cutting the pipes apart for ease of transport a friend called and said "Yes--we can use that 16' at [ St. So and so] church". (this was after I gave him 2 weeks notice of an absolute decision deadline!!). On another note: that blower couldn't be producing more than 2-1/2 inches--has the cut-up of the pipe decreased with age and allowed a lower pressure wind source to create fundamental tone?
+A.G. M. You couldn't have put those pipes out on EBAY or Church Organ Trader? I'd think there would be someone interested rather than scrapping them out, unless you're saying they're the old soft zinc that was collapsing under their own weight!
@thegodofhellfire999 The F is about 20 Hz, right at the bottom. If you listen to a reed pipe or string pipe below F, it's pretty easy to hear the tone, since the harmonics are well within the range of human hearing. Stopped pipes which produce a sine wave (or close to it) are harder to hear unless a 16' stop is on with them. But in all cases feeling the vibrations is a very important part of the experience!
This pipe was shipped to Virginia in a 26' truck, so it had to have 2'cut off to get it in the truck (how in the world did you determine the pitch?)! Seventeen pipes are being replaced, most are going to the recycler, but the largest one or two will be attached to the outside of our building! A lot of work went into those pipes, and we hate to throw them away.
Hello Peter! Alas, the quality of the zinc has been called into question, rather than the workmanship. The new pipes are tin with internal copper sleeves in the foot and the lower body (about 3' long).
Is that pipe the bottom flue of the 32' Diapason? Then from there it unfortunately goes into resultants? I recall seeing some larger open flues within the pedal towers. I would have placed them in the facade for everyone to see and marvel at. I last played that organ in 1995. The acoustics were absolutely wonderful - 4.5 seconds. Love the divided Ruckpositive. It sounded interesting playing the Wedge fugue. Thanks for you wonderful video. Please make more. RWG Denver, Colorado
@CorvetteCoonass Wow! Good ear! This pipe went through most of its life as F, but alas it was too long for the truck, so it lost its last two feet of length. Now it is just a few feet long, the bulk of it having gone to the recycler.
True...We figure the cost of the organ is 95% labor, 5% material. I imagine if you wanted just 32' FFFF, it would cost about $12,000. But it's hard to call it a waste of metal...
I recon neither the microphone of this camera does go low enough to record the actual sound :-) You only hear the air pressure flapping against the microphone membrane. Like speaking into a mic without pop-filter.
Wow! This video is "so me"!! I have always been fascinated by 32' pipes. I notice that this one is actually sounding GGGG, even though it's supposed to be FFFF. Do you have an explanation? The sound is awesome through my headphones! What will happen to these pipes?
It's a combination of a bad type of zinc, non-tapered metal (the pipe should be thinner at the top), and insufficient racking. The new pipes are tin (6mm thick at the bottom!) with copper liners at the bottom and in the foot, and they will be racked at several levels.
@omahas9000 Ah, but this pipe isn't playing C. It's closer to G, which should be around 23 Hz. You must be using an oscilloscope! This pipe was originally 32' F, but had to be shortened by two feet to fit in the truck. Now it is about five feet long and used as a decoration, the remainder having gone to the recycler!
Doesn't say much for von Beckerath, if the pipes were collapsing after only 50 years. (Maybe it's what doctors, lawyers, architects and the like would call an 'error of judgement.'?)
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Congratulations on one of the most impressive organ pipe sound tracks on You-Tube! On my IB subwoofer it was simply devastating! Clean and low and realistic. Unlike all of the big pipe organ demo videos here where there is only noise and zero infrasonics. You actually managed to put some excursion on my drivers and make the walls and floor shake. This is a first for You-Tube in my experience. Well done!
RIP 32' Pipe. You made such beautiful -sounds- vibrations in my bones.
@uyvl It's surprising how much energy there is in this low frequency even though it seems very quiet. Inside a reverberant church the low rumble is pretty noticeable even under full organ, although for the big effects the organ also has a 32' reed, which is VERY powerful. These pipes are expensive, but worth every penny!
It was "F" originally, but it had two feet cut off in order to fit in a 26' truck (including the foot, it was 28' long, playing "F").
Too cool........! Wish I could play with pipes like these!
You're right organist 1982 ! This 32' F flue pipe does sound a G, (even slightly a bit lower at a 440hz) and I'm also in the club of low frequency lovers ! (how's a Cavaillé-Coll Contrebombarde 32' for you ?!) In fact as well we should "listen" to this video with good headphones only; thanks for posting, it is a refreshing change ! (not that organ videos aren't good on TH-cam!... lol)
p.s.: Hello to my co-citizen keanur1 ! JW
Seems like one such 24'-pipe needs as much air as a small positive organ - impressing video! If one imagined that a similar Cavaillé-Coll pipe needs the double amount of air...
Well, I listened to the video through my high-quality headphones so I could hear the tone decently; I have almost perfect pitch, and I've spent alot of time listening to 32' notes, because I've been fascinated by extreme bass ever since I was a kid (I'm now 26)! Thanks for the video; it's awesome! I wish you could make a similar video of a 32' CCCC pipe.
Actually, principal pipes produce a more complex wave than a sinewave, owing to the fairly complete harmonic structure of the sound. So in addition to the powerful ca. 20hz fundamental, there is a train of harmonic overtones which make the pitch much easier to determine than, say, a 32' Bourdon, which only produces odd numbered harmonics. And this pipe is close to a G or a sharp F#, since the pipe had two feet cut off the end to fit in the truck. But it started as an F.
Wow! Paul Koch is legendary at St. Paul's! The largest pipes were collapsing in many places, but mainly the feet were deforming terribly and the pipes didn't speak. The black object is a piece of felt attached to the front of the languid in an attempt to keep the pipe speaking. Sometimes it works. My personal work entailed refurbishing the keyboards and console action, and installing and tuning about 3000 flue pipes as the organ went back together(in eight days!). Thanks for the comment!
Amazing! All audio equipment has a bass roll off which is cumulative as it passes along the audio chain. Yet you still managed to record infrasonics which could actually be reproduced on my subwoofer at home via the internet. I'm a pipe organ fan and have been listening TH-cam videos out of curiosity to see if the internet medium was capable of reproducing big pipe infrasonics. Not one of these videos (so far ) has produced infrasonics from my IB subwoofer except yours. Great video BTW. :-)
Ahh huh ahh huh ahh huh
All is well!
@robertgift I had the privilidge of giving a recital on the St Paul's Beckerath in October 2000 (I am a Pittsburgh native - GO STEELERS!!!!) and used the 32' Principal on some of the pieces, especially the Widor Tocotta. It worked well then.
Yes, but the organ is once again functioning as Mr. Biggs knew it! It was re-dedicated last Tuesday evening (1-6-09) in an excellent concert by James David Christie. I was there, and it was a wonderful event! As for the removed 32' pipes, they are enjoying their retirement....
Do you know who is doing the work at the Oratory? I hope those pipes are in better shape than these- they go down to 32' CCCC! These were collapsing so badly there was no other choice but to replace them. Most were recycled (a somewhat ignominious fate), and one or two will adorn our shop. Watch our website (Taylor and Boody) to see what happens.
I watched this vid like 10yrs ago, it's still Badass but now has 50k views!!! -Simplicity
Thanks! Not bad for a little Kodak EasyShare Z650! I'll make it a point to find some more 32' stops out there...
Thank you.
If you had bad neighbors you could have some fun with a few of these.
Perhaps we have solved the mystery of the world-wide hum...
Tin eh? An interesting price tag would be tied around the feet of each of *those* I imagine! Great to hear that there are still those around, willing to pay for quality a product. Thanks for this interesting snippet of information.
I'll let you know if we do! (The bottom five notes in this stop are resultant...but not in the Posaune!)
The plugging scene of the blower sort of reminds me Michael J Fox in the first Back to the Future movie, when he plugs in his guitar in that mega amp and speaker! ... although this 32' flue pipe provocing here much less destruction ! lol !
That was awesome... Everyone should start their day listening to that.
Did your microphone recover from the trauma?
What a great, well done video!
What was collapsing? The foot? Why?
Bad Rudolf, bad Rudolf.
What is the black in the middle of the slit?
What did you do?
Thank you for this.
My late uncle Paul Koch, St. Paul's organist, was my father's sister's husdand. He was so much fun and so funny. I last saw him in 1995.
Kay Koch now lives in Ft. Collins, Colorado near their son Damien.
Hang on to those pipes if you can and wait for zinc prices to raise. I had to liquidate the lower 8ctve of a 16' Principal from the 1960's and was pleasantly surprised with the metal scrappers compensation. If I'd been able to scrap them a year earlier the payout would have been doubled. Of course as I was cutting the pipes apart for ease of transport a friend called and said "Yes--we can use that 16' at [ St. So and so] church". (this was after I gave him 2 weeks notice of an absolute decision deadline!!).
On another note: that blower couldn't be producing more than 2-1/2 inches--has the cut-up of the pipe decreased with age and allowed a lower pressure wind source to create fundamental tone?
+A.G. M. You couldn't have put those pipes out on EBAY or Church Organ Trader? I'd think there would be someone interested rather than scrapping them out, unless you're saying they're the old soft zinc that was collapsing under their own weight!
I was thinking maybe 43.88Hz...
Good ear! It's somewhere around G between 32' C (16 Hz) and 16' C (32 Hz). I guess you can count really fast...
@thegodofhellfire999 The F is about 20 Hz, right at the bottom. If you listen to a reed pipe or string pipe below F, it's pretty easy to hear the tone, since the harmonics are well within the range of human hearing. Stopped pipes which produce a sine wave (or close to it) are harder to hear unless a 16' stop is on with them. But in all cases feeling the vibrations is a very important part of the experience!
Fyi, the low C in the 32' stop is 16hz, which is below the frequency range of the human ear.
Technically yes, but there's no question when they play!
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This pipe was shipped to Virginia in a 26' truck, so it had to have 2'cut off to get it in the truck (how in the world did you determine the pitch?)! Seventeen pipes are being replaced, most are going to the recycler, but the largest one or two will be attached to the outside of our building! A lot of work went into those pipes, and we hate to throw them away.
Hello Peter! Alas, the quality of the zinc has been called into question, rather than the workmanship. The new pipes are tin with internal copper sleeves in the foot and the lower body (about 3' long).
Is that pipe the bottom flue of the 32' Diapason?
Then from there it unfortunately goes into resultants?
I recall seeing some larger open flues within the pedal towers.
I would have placed them in the facade for everyone to see and marvel at.
I last played that organ in 1995. The acoustics were absolutely wonderful -
4.5 seconds.
Love the divided Ruckpositive.
It sounded interesting playing the Wedge fugue.
Thanks for you wonderful video.
Please make more.
RWG Denver, Colorado
St. Paul Cathedral, Pittsburgh, PA- 1962 Beckerath (more info at the info box).
I collect organ pipes. This would have been added to it fast!
the 32' F is not below 20Hz.
but, as the volume gets louder, we can here deeper sounds
@CorvetteCoonass Wow! Good ear! This pipe went through most of its life as F, but alas it was too long for the truck, so it lost its last two feet of length. Now it is just a few feet long, the bulk of it having gone to the recycler.
True...We figure the cost of the organ is 95% labor, 5% material. I imagine if you wanted just 32' FFFF, it would cost about $12,000. But it's hard to call it a waste of metal...
My computer. near my desk speakers started to shake from the low frequency. even though the volume was not loud.
That'll be next!
I think that you should use a stronger blower.
If you want to test your new subwoofer, just put on this video. HAHA! Most subwoofers don't even go this low.
I recon neither the microphone of this camera does go low enough to record the actual sound :-) You only hear the air pressure flapping against the microphone membrane. Like speaking into a mic without pop-filter.
Wait a minute....I'd always been under impression low C on 32' register was 16 cycles per second. Now I'm reading 20?
I'd hook a scuba tank on it and rattle the walls off the building... Horns of Jericho II
Do you have a scuba tank on 100" of wind pressure?
I was referring to the rattle the walls off part
WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU TRYING TO PROVE BY UNDERWINDING A 32' ORGAN PIPE?
I don't think that his/her pipe collection
contains a CCCC 32' pipe(on the sight).
Wow!!!!!
Wow! This video is "so me"!! I have always been fascinated by 32' pipes. I notice that this one is actually sounding GGGG, even though it's supposed to be FFFF. Do you have an explanation?
The sound is awesome through my headphones! What will happen to these pipes?
It's a combination of a bad type of zinc, non-tapered metal (the pipe should be thinner at the top), and insufficient racking. The new pipes are tin (6mm thick at the bottom!) with copper liners at the bottom and in the foot, and they will be racked at several levels.
Well, if you count the value of a pipe organ just by the value of the metal/wood, than the average pipe organ is worth: $2000 ?
If these pipes were collapsing under their own weight after just 50 years, they may have been made of the wrong material or made too thin.
@y11971alex nah.. think the mic couldnt pick it up that well..
@1:32.. Yes. Sound waves are invisible indeed.
Cool :)
@omahas9000 Ah, but this pipe isn't playing C. It's closer to G, which should be around 23 Hz. You must be using an oscilloscope! This pipe was originally 32' F, but had to be shortened by two feet to fit in the truck. Now it is about five feet long and used as a decoration, the remainder having gone to the recycler!
The 3rd Overtone 48 Hz
Or a Subcontra G
I trinken its a Subcontra C with 16 Hz
Sounds like a G0, a lil flat though.
Didn't make much noise did it
i want one
Doesn't say much for von Beckerath, if the pipes were collapsing after only 50 years. (Maybe it's what doctors, lawyers, architects and the like would call an 'error of judgement.'?)
No tuning sleeve ..
I didn't see a tuning scroll at the top of the pipe. Was this a dummy display pipe?
+John Doe it must be
No, it was a speaking pipe. The last two feet of it were cut off so it would fit in the truck!
Christopher Bono good to hear
Christopher Bono That would explain why it sounds low G
These are expensive pipes to make. I can't understand why it was destroyed so it could fit on a truck?
Sounds like GGGG.
About $100 worth of zinc.
oh. mah. gawod.
F0. About 21 Hz
+Axel Fuentes
Though it should be C0.
Hey people are too.
F...
Are you sure? that is something like a
"G" to me...
Is that an A flat? Hahahahah
Sound like a "G"...