Why Colonizing The Solar System Will Remain Only A Dream
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I live on astronomy. And that's perhaps why people are surprised when I say I'm not an enthusiastic supporter of space colonization.
I'm not at all, I just can't be.
And I am not just referring to exploring planetary systems of other stars, whose distances are and will forever be absolutely insurmountable regardless of our technological capability. No, gentlemen...I am also decidedly skeptical about the possibility of our species establishing bases or colonies on our home planets!
Follow me, I’ll tell you why!
Mercury
The closest planet to the Sun. Minimum distance from Earth: 91 million kilometers. Diameter of 4880 km. No atmosphere, poor water ice reserves. Gravity: 38% of that of Earth. Surface temperature: -180 to 430°C. The local day lasts 88 Earth days.
Venus
Minimum distance from Earth: 42 million kilometers. Diameter: 12100 km. Gravity: 90% of Earth's.
Moon
Closest body. The average distance from Earth is 384,000 km. Diameter 3400 km. The atmosphere is absent. Gravity: 16.7% of Earth's. Surface temperature: -153 to 123°C. The local day lasts almost 30 of our days.
Ceres
The largest object in the main asteroid belt. The minimum distance from Earth is 265 million kilometers. Diameter: 940 km. Gravity: 3% of Earth's. The atmosphere is absent. The average surface temperature of -106°C.
Europa
Fourth largest of Jupiter's moons. Minimum distance from Earth of 630 million kilometers. Diameter of 3120 km. Gravity: 13% of Earth's. Average surface temperature: -240 °C. Atmosphere virtually absent.
Titan
Saturn's largest satellite. Minimum distance from Earth of 1280 million kilometers. Diameter of 5150 km. Gravity: 14% of Earth's. Average temperature: -180°C. The atmosphere of nitrogen and methane. Ground atmospheric pressure: 1.5 times Earth's.
Pluto
Dwarf planet in the Kuiper belt. Minimum distance from Earth: 5800 million kilometers. Diameter: 2380 km. Gravity: 6% of Earth's. The average temperature of -230°. Extremely rarefied methane atmosphere.
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00:00 Intro
3:50 Mercury
5:18 Venus
7:10 Moon
9:08 Mars
11:32 Ceres
13:25 Europa
14:50 Titan
16:35 Pluto
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I don't believe you.
This pessimism is disgusting.
"Believe Me, We Will Never Travel Among The Stars!"
We had that thought once about flying.....
But with current technology, it is indeed unlikely! Or is it?
"Believe Me, We Earthlings Will Never Colonize Mars!"
I agree. There are more suitable planets out there... What will Insane tell us about it...?
"Why I Believe In The Parallel Universes"
That's an interesting topic! But science is based on facts. Not on believe.
Or is there more than meets the eye?
Such an depressing and false title...
With current technology, we can't, but in the near future technology, we will.
@@UtraVioletDreams
Great comments, thoughtful and well thought out. 🤩
I remember this guy's ancestor from way back. He said we'd never tame fire or leave the cave.
🤣
Also remember that time when they say we could never fly yeah.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤦🏻♂️
His ancestors didn’t use physics, mathematics, computer simulations etc to reach their decisions. He has highlighted some very real challenges. Funding is going to be a massive issue. No one is going to want to pay for these missions.
@@Anonymous-md2qp i’ll tell you one thing, war and survival is a real motivator.
@@freedomdude5420 They are huge motivators for sure. Whatever happens, it won’t be within our lifetimes.
People easily forget that "never" is an infinite amount of time.
For a foreseeable future I think he's right.
@@fernandobernardo6324 If you're just looking at the next century it's probably far to say it ain't happening but technology moves forward and nudges things from outlandish to possible. It's difficult to imagine humanity reaching the fusion age and not casting itself across the solar system shortly there after. Most of the reasoning used in the video is to the order of "You can just get stuff easier on earth" and in broad strokes that's true but he glosses over the idea that if it ever does become technically and practically possible to establish a self sustaining colony off Earth then people will go because now there is a chance for them to set up something new and stake their own claim.....people will take that offer.
@@austinduke8876 Sure anything is hypothetically possible on a long enough timescale, but then again possible and probable are two words with different meanings for a reason.
yes, i can agree with many of the guy saying except that "never" part
We can't know the future indeed
@@fernandobernardo6324 he literally said "will never" tho
1900s, somewhere in the British countryside.
"A human will never learn to fly faster than the wind, and transport cargo through the air! It will always be just a dream!"
But you can also find quotes declaring that huge amounts of our food will be grown under the ocean. And artificial hearts will be used by millions to live normal daily lives. Beware overzealousness.
We were inspired by birds and knew how to use wind. Not much of a big deal when you consider space
@@elitecoder955 birds taught us how to fly in the air. but they didn't teach us how to fly faster than the wind, or faster than the birds
@@user-oj4ll2bf6k I believe elitecoder's point was that we were doing what animals had previously done. We watched and learned from birds for centuries before we developed powered flight. And the principle of flight is simple physics.
Terraforming Mars would take centuries of consecutive support from the political and financial institutions of Earth. How long did those institutions keep backing Moon missions? Three and one half years, before enthusiasm ran out. That's another obstacle that is beyond just the technological ones.
Colonizing Antarctica, the oceans surface and the deep sea on earth is so much easier than colonizing any planet or moon in our solar system and yet we don’t do that either because it’s either too expensive or nobody wants live permanently inside a station. And now imagine living underground because of a lack of a magnetic field or always having to wear a space suit once you step outside. And even mining operations don’t make any sense as it’s just too expensive and a lot cheaper to dig on good old earth.
It's easier in a technical kind of way, not so much politically. Antarctica is hugely contested due to the suspected resources there, anyone trying to create a permanent national settlement there and thus establish possession of it(possession is 9/10 of the law as they say) better be willing to bleed for it.
D-oh you said it first. You didn't mention Venus, (the atmosphere not the surface) and that it would be much easier to colonize than Mars, (and even the Moon in a lot of ways) tho' so I won't delete my comment. Venus also has the advantage of virtually unlimited energy. That's huge! Can't have that on Mars.
You're looking at it the wrong way. Its more about where's the economic gain? As space becomes cheaper to travel to it will make the commercialization of it much easier. Once mining ops and research stations become a thing in space then you'll build places for people live. A lot of the towns in the western US started as mining towns.
Pretty sure you wouldn't want our only immediately habitable world covered with more massive quarries and factories. You'd want that shit in space so you don't end up with a warhammer 40k forge world.
True now. What about 27 thousand years from now? There are a thousand million in each billion.
What about 2 million 600 thousand years from now?
This video doesn't adequately count for time
Humans have only ventured into space for the past 60 years or so. Give "us" another 1000 years and who knows what may happen? In the near term, I can easily see the moon becoming much like the current ISS ... that is, a permanently manned outpost that grows in size and complexity over time.
Sure. Lots of cartoons and cgis to prove we ve been in space. Why not?
With what we humans have allowed to become acceptable and the decadence of society, do you really think humanity will be allowed to continue down this spiral much longer??
@@cryharder1877 what exactly did humans allow to make acceptable in society which makes you so pessimistic?
@@hey0173 take a day off & find out
@@cryharder1877 read my question again
I asked what did humans make acceptable which makes YOU so pessimistic
the answer to this question is subjective so you need to provide an answer.
"I can't imagine anyone would want to live there." There is the main problem with this video. Sorry, I spent my childhood dreaming of living on the Moon, and if the opportunity to live the rest of my life there, I would jump at the opportunity. I am not the only one.
The script also said about Mars that eventually no one would want to live there anymore than living in the Australian desert. This is such an ignorant statement, because it shows total ignorance of the large numbers of people who live in the Australian desert. There are many towns, and plenty of people love the isolation and the beauty of desolate landscapes. Most interesting is Coober Pedy, a desert town, where people live underground to escape the desert heat, and water has to be extracted from deep underground, and so full of minerals that it is essentially poisonous that it has to be purified by an expensive osmosis process, and every liter is treated like gold.
There is also a town in Antarctica called Villa Las Estrellas administered by Chile, and babies have been born there. There is the huge American base at the South Pole, and one of the Australian Antarctic bases has a brewery brewing Antarctic beer. Humans have a proven record of wanting to live in the most inhospitable places on Earth, and somehow making it work. Just because the channel owner here wants to live where he can have a nice life with all the comforts, he ignores the millions of us who love adventure and going to dangerous places. There are plenty of people who love risking all. These are the people who will colonize the Solar System.
The Australian deserts were initially found by scientific expeditions. It was science that took Captain Cook to the Pacific. Adventurers followed, politics and conquest took advantage, poor people wanting to find gold, and freedom from oppressive governments were happy to endure hardships. This is how a new country grew. The Moon and Mars will take longer, but the same human drives will be at work, finding ways to make it happen, despite the unsuitability of humans for many of these places. We will do it because we are inventors who like to solve problems. Science starts the process of colonization, but normal human desires will drive the rest.
Sign me up, I want to go.
You'd be living underground on pretty much every world though, venturing outside only for short periods due to radiation. We won't be living out of our home world long without space colonies.
@@caesarsalad1170 and what's your point?
@@caesarsalad1170 doesn't matter. Sign me up.
And that's not even taking into account those people who just flat out hate other people and would see this as the ultimate way to get away from them.
Don't forget your thermal straight jacket.
There are so many reasons that humans will never colonize space that are solid and measurable. I can see in the comments that there are so many dreamers that do not like this, but I think the video is spot on,. Not only that, people think we are going to continue to improve our technology, which I agree with, up to a point. However, I think there will come a time that we will start going backwards because of war and societal breakdown, which has started already.
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Most people can't put these in order from largest to smallest. Earth, Universe, Sun, Galaxy, Moon. The understanding of physics by most people is near zero. They watch too much TV and see Jean Luc Picard flying in 5 minutes from Earth like planet to Earth like planet. It skews their thinking. Even relatively educated people don't think clearly about it and believe ridiculous things like aliens are secretly visiting Earth. Silly.
We maybe destroy everything but looking how we act the last decades it's always a up and down. I see it as part of our evolution. We are problem solvers and try so long we can. There always one who wants to break the boundaries it's our nature. I onced heard the funny theorie that we all are on counciousness experiencing live from different perpectivs. Well last is pretty dreamingfull but who knows. We see the universe in our way a small differnce in evolution could have completlly changed what we have become.
the existence of living in a colony on Mars would be like living in a prison on Earth only far worse, more bleak, and hopeless
I would hope there would be significantly less non-consentual sex there though.
I disagree in trying to remove human emotion as a reason to colonize and explore the solar system. Adventure, greed, desperation, war, etc, could lead humans into space. It is why the entire Earth is nearly settled by people.
_Also... To intelligent readers (who do 'not’ have a ‘pathological disregard for rationality and reality')_
I recommend researching 'narcissitic personality disorder' (NPD) / 'cluster-B'; and know that they are the 'root of all evil' (especially 'ESFJ/ESTJ-narcissits'; Myers-Briggs reference, look it up)!
European 'ESFJ' are the worst personality type, and they are responsible for inventing 'racism' and colonization! It is in their neuro-psychology!!
The are extremely 'manipulative' and often use 'looking pretty' to distract others from the witch's mind-games / mind-rape, e.g. gaslighting, playing the victim or damsel in distress, creating 'flying-monkeys', and paying others to attack (or at times kill) someone for her. When caught, she will use her minions as scapegoats. European ESFJ are notorious for this especially in a racist context, e.g. Elliott Till.
ISFP (and ESFP) are the most complicit, narcissitic-enablers. ISFP also tend to be 'oblivious-codependants' (look up the definition).
SUMMARY:
Evil personality: ESFJ (ALL), ESTJ (cluster-b)
[Secretly] Evil and narcissit-friendly gunts/flying-monkey: ISFP (ALL), ESFP (ALL).
☝️ALL of them are secretly emotionally-disturbed, hence their need to create conflict (and at other people's expense, truly evil).
Spread the word! Thank you.
PS: ESFJ are Amber Heard behind the public mask.
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#Save_Soil
Most of the earth is oceans, those have not been settled.
The end of this age is at the door & people still dream of settling on other worlds.....
@@Human_01 this is silly
@The Senate: We need goals to keep us going as a civilisation.
We should aim to colonise close earth analog exoplanets.
A thousand years ago humankind couldnt even imagine leaving the planet. Yet here we are.
So what
And we're wiping ourselves out
@@Azamat421 the amount of disease and war we had to deal with a thousand years ago was way worse than now. My point was, if we survive as a species another 1000 years it's very plausable we will be colonizing other planets.
There is a difference between feasibility and desirability. We'll get better at space travel but in the end, places like Mars will still have nothing to offer, over an above simply remaining on Earth. Again, being able to do something is not the same as that something being worth doing.
@@saumyacow4435 asteriod mining is very likely to be both something we figure out how to do and something worth doing in the next 20-30 years which could lead to deep space colonization being more desirable and more worthwhile.
Great video making great points. I would not say space colonization will NEVER happen, but I do believe it is so far in the future that we really won’t be recognizably human anymore. I also must point out that Venus would NOT experience black nights; with such a high surface temperature, the ground itself would glow red-hot.
There are pictures of the surface of Venus taken from on the surface of Venus, it doesn't glow red.
Humans will never be robots keep dreaming nerd
Those pictures were taken in daylight, though. At night, there may indeed be a dull red glow to the ground which is drowned out in the daytime.
2:30 Geologist here. We are in fact very short on rare earth metals because many elements pretty much all sank to the earths core during its formation.
The same thing happened in big asteroids, except they later got all smashed up, leaving bits of their juicy metal cores hanging out in space.
These are a fantastic resource. Lots of elements are so rare on earth that industry can't use them because they are so expensive to be impractical. Asteroid mining will happen. However, I agree that this probably won't lead to widespread human colonisation of the solar system.
Most of this can be automated, perhaps with a small skeleton crew to deal with hangups (but even that might not be necessary as robotics and Ai develops).
I can't imagine anyone not wanting to live alone in space after having met other people...
Try going to jail and being kept in a cell by yourself all day with nothing but some books and getting out to only take a shower. I'm sure after a month you'll be happy to be around ANYONE lol.
My PTSD comes from being hunted and beaten for sport in the name of Jesus during Don't Ask Don't Tell circa 1999.
I have a pretty firm understanding of what humans can call 'love' and alike.
That's a big reason I look forward to Hell, Christians can do anything and just say 'sorry' and get into Heaven. At least those in Hell had to endure SOME kind of judgement. Besides, Heaven will be a shit-show of people judging one another, condemning one another...
Fuck all that noise lol
Watch ad astra and maybe that’ll change your mind
@@brockb4452 I'm a 45 year old disabled vet who is Autistic and Homosexual. All I know is hatred and judgement from the others in my nation whom I have served.
No offense, nothing will change my mind.
Right to the moment where you realize you need someone to help you with something.
I never understand how anyone can indefinitely say that something will or won’t happen, you can’t see into the future. You make TH-cam videos
Exactly, take this as infotainment, don't be offended lol.
People said the same thing about planes...no way something we could get something so heavy up in the air
And that exact title got you to watch this video.
There are things that are difficult and challenging, and then there are things that are impossible. Space is too vast and too dangerous. Terraforming and colonizing other planets or moons is too expensive, too complex, too difficult, too dangerous. We will never have the manpower, financial resources, or technology. It would take more of these three factors than we'll ever have.
@@anonymoususer855 only way we don't colonise the solar system is if we kill ourselves first or maybe some huge natural disaster
I agree. There’s nowhere else to go. Terraforming is wildly expensive and impractical and space travel is much slower and more difficult than people think. We’re better off focusing on taking care of the planet we have.
imho we have little control about the caring of the planet stuff
there actually is very little "we" left
who knows when one dictatorship goes crazy and starts nuking us all away?
and thats only one possibility
there is no working together with stopping the climate change also
maybe its better to just go somewhere else and build something new
at least then there will be something left after we all killed ourself here
or we would start to respect our homeworld after seeing how unique and beautifull it actually is
@@Sippi81 There’s nowhere else to go. Mars’ core is dead; the planet has no magnetosphere and not much atmosphere to protect against radiation. There is no terraforming a planet that lacks the gravity to keep an atmosphere. It might be possible to terraform Venus… over the course of a few thousand years. Where else is there to go? Titan? The Moon? There is no way to shield spacecraft from cosmic rays; astronauts in the ISS receive much more radiation than we do on the ground, despite being within Earth’s magnetosphere. There is no such thing as interstellar travel, full stop.
You make some very good points. At the moment humanity is far behind the level of science, politics and attitudes required for space exploration. We need at least another 1000 years of progress in those areas to take up space exploration seriously. The required techniques should be fully developed, not partially, to ensure successful implementation.
We could start a colony on the Moon right now. There's sunlight for power, or just bring along a safe, compact nuclear reactor (invented and tested in 1970.) There's ice for water and oxygen. Silica for glass all over. There are iron deposits also. Aluminum too, but that takes a crap-ton of electricity to refine.
If I could live long enough, I have a spot picked out by Shackleton Crater. Near continuous sunlight, and ice deposits. I'd start by mining ice and getting hydroponics going. I'd get rich selling air, water, food and "cubic" to the latecomers, especially the Helium 3 miners. The merchants and suppliers get richest in a Gold Rush.
Once the bureaurcats start showing up, I'd sell off for a new grubstake. Somebody is going to need to build a railroad from the spaceport that will inevitably be built on top of Mons Olympus to the mines and settlements. Might as well be me.
Once the bureaucrats and busybodies start showing up there, I'd sell off again and head out to the Belts to start an asteroid mining business. Kind of short on sunlight out there, but there is ice in the belts. So with nuclear power you've got both oxygen and hydrogen for the plasma engines. And some of those asteroids have insane amounts of valuable metals. And there should be a booming shipping business hauling reactor fuel and other supplies out to the Belts and hauling ore/processed minerals back.
That is if humankind is actually here for another 1000 years. We are currently headed for global disaster. Humans are a highly disagreeable competetive species, the most dangerous Earth has ever known. It is not in our nature to work together for the good of the planet. Good news, the Earth could heal itself without us over time.
1000 seems like an arbitrarily long amount of time. I think it has more to do with when there are less problems on earth, which could be soon, in 100 years, in 500 years, or never(it’s truly up to us)
Humans went from never flying to walking on the moon in less than one lifetime.
I'm glad there are people with more courage and desire to be a intrepid pioneer than you.
Complacency is the father of stagnation.
_Also... To intelligent readers (who do 'not’ have a ‘pathological disregard for rationality and reality')_
I recommend researching 'narcissitic personality disorder' (NPD) / 'cluster-B'; and know that they are the 'root of all evil' (especially 'ESFJ/ESTJ-narcissits'; Myers-Briggs reference, look it up)!
European 'ESFJ' are the worst personality type, and they are responsible for inventing 'racism' and colonization! It is in their neuro-psychology!!
The are extremely 'manipulative' and often use 'looking pretty' to distract others from the witch's mind-games / mind-rape, e.g. gaslighting, playing the victim or damsel in distress, creating 'flying-monkeys', and paying others to attack (or at times kill) someone for her. When caught, she will use her minions as scapegoats. European ESFJ are notorious for this especially in a racist context, e.g. Elliott Till.
ISFP (and ESFP) are the most complicit, narcissitic-enablers. ISFP also tend to be 'oblivious-codependants' (look up the definition).
SUMMARY:
Evil personality: ESFJ (ALL), ESTJ (cluster-b)
[Secretly] Evil and narcissit-friendly gunts/flying-monkey: ISFP (ALL), ESFP (ALL).
☝️ALL of them are secretly emotionally-disturbed, hence their need to create conflict (and at other people's expense, truly evil).
Spread the word! Thank you.
PS: ESFJ are Amber Heard behind the public mask.
___________
#Save_Soil
@@Human_01 OK. That was a bit of non sequitur, but I'll play along.
First off, there is little to no scientific backing of the Briggs Myers personality "test". Many people taking it multiple times arrive at different results sometimes only days apart. Oftentimes results can be significantly swayed by the mood you happen to be in that day. It was created in the late 19th century and refined circa 1945 by a mother/daughter duo with no academic training or qualification in psychology, sociology or otherwise. So your claim that any BMPT results are remotely definitive in gauging anyone is dubious and misinformed. Saying that all people of a certain BMPT "type" are indicative of pathological behavior especially. It comes across heavyhanded and certainly eludes to a cognitive bias and seems to reflect a clear agenda based approach.
Secondly I find it rather ironic how you're using a Dunning-Kruger fueled narcissistic and racist diatribe to attempt to call out a whole continent worth of people as narcissistic racists.
It smacks of someone that read some politically motivated opinion piece and, feeling congruent to it, try to sell it as facts. You cite no actual peer reviewed studies, most likely have no qualifications in any applicable field and make largely stereotyped blanket statements about whole racial groups.
Then you follow it all up with the classic credo of the biased and uninformed conspiracist, "Look it up!".
Do better.
Wow! Pessimistic much? Thankfully, we as a species strive to know the unknown, which is why we are where we are now. Maybe you're right, but I'd like to think we'll keep pushing the limits and boundaries of human capability! Who knows what will happen in the next 500-1000 years...
If we didn't manage to do it in 200k years what makes you think suddenly we can?
@@FirstCelestialEmperor 150 years ago, flying was a dream, now it's a commute for some people (and me)!
Like I said, maybe you're right, but I hope we strive to achieve colonisation... 👍
@@FirstCelestialEmperor it's called technological progress 😆
Umm.. striving to know the unknown is an entirely different thing to colonisation.
Laws of physics isn’t going to change in the next thousand years.
This is why I'm more hyped about O'Neil cylinders than Mars. The materials to build them are everywhere in the solar system, especially the asteroid belt.
We'll just use Science Fiction to pretend to build them!
I remember this guy's ancestors when they said that leaving the caves flying and traveling far away will remain a dream
No one has ever lived in a cave. At the time tribesmen exploited the caves for ritual purposes almost all of them were nomadic.
I agree! I've always thought that the idea of terraforming was ridiculous. If Earth was to become an inhospitable planet, why would we travel to another inhospitable planet and try to terraform it? Wouldn't we just stay and terraform Earth?
@Frumentarii There is only one basket. Earth is our only true option. We don't and may never have the resources or the technology needed to move and safely sustain a significant population of people on another planet.
@Frumentarii
In 500 million years the sun will redshift to far for chlorophyll photosynthesis to work. That will be true for the entire system.
People routinely suggest plants will adapt. Why? Are they chemists? The only red shifted photosynthesis I've heard of is to energy poor to be useful.
It is elsewhere or die.
@@miss.g-shun-w
Why is that? Our technology is massively above what it was only decades ago. The biggest hurdle in interstellar is if FTL or cryogenic can be achieved. I consider cryogenic a limited option, because you have to power a ship and have it survive hundreds of years.
But for saving humanity from inevitable death, you only have to get a handful to a livable planet. Full terraforming will likely be impractical. But either that or a world we can naturally survive on as it is. Enthusiasm handles the rest.
@@icecold9511 Outside of Mars the AUs of even the "closest" supposedly liveable planet is just too massive reach it. Especially when you consider the fact that space is expanding exponentially and we can never ever catch up. Our technology will never be able to overcome that deficit.
But that's just one example and I could never do it justice explaining why we may never be an interplanetary species. But there's a video that I'll try to link to this comment that broke it down perfectly. The sheer cost alone was unimaginable....not to mention the political aspect.
@@miss.g-shun-w You don't really know what you're talking about. The expansion of the universe has to do with the increase in distance between gravitationally *unbound* parts. The distance to other planets and stars within our own galaxy, or even within our local group of galaxies is *not* expanding because they are gravitationally bound. Some galaxies are even moving towards us. The distance to other galaxies is still insurmountable, of course, but the expansion of spacetime is irrelevant.
O'Neil Cylinders is still a possibility... we should be more optimistic, the fact that we've already been to the moon, built a space station and have several rovers on Mars should be a good indication of how far we can go.
Sure O'Neil cylinder is possible - certainly much more feasible than colonizing Mars. But first humans have to master totally self sustaining ecosphere with zero waste. Once we have functional O'Neil deep space colony, then we create almost unlimited living space for humans between Mars and Venus.
@@springer-qb4dv Dyson swarms also.
@@springer-qb4dv not happening
Not happening never lol
@@ramixpAPEX Ok pessimist.
It's totally insane to think we could live on Mars as it's a toxic planet where even primitive life forms can't exist
In my opinion, the best reason, whether or not it is feasible, to colonize other worlds is that is lessens the chance that one natural event could wipe out our species entirely.
Yes. It’s absolutely a fundamental requirement that we establish a permanent presence on another planet at some point. Doesn’t necessarily have to be this year or next year or even in a hundred years, but it has to be something we do if we’re serious about not going extinct.
Us as humans used the same tools for hundreds of thousands of years, and yet in just the last few centuries our technological capabilities have grown exponentially. The colonization of our solar system is not the solution to all our problems, rather it is a question, and the answer is yes. It will be done provided we have the chance to continue developing. People have been saying this or that is impossible since the beginning of recorded history, and yet here we are today having mastered flight, doing things people would have thought were just fairy tales hundreds of years ago. The reasons for space travel are endless, ambition, resources, fostering national pride, the list goes on as far as the very void we will conquer. Even if we don't go into space out of curiosity, but rather for greed, it will be exploration none the less. Doubt is the enemy of progress, don't let it stop us before we've even begun.
Just follow Musk to Mars! There feeling all better now?
@@springer-qb4dv Musk or not, we will eventually follow someone to Mars if not further.
no it will not be done. just think of how often things go wrong here on Earth. everything on this planet needs routine maintenance of some kind. with the occasional catastrophe happening that requires tens of millions of dollars to come back from. one catastrophic event on a foreign planet would end that entire colonization endeavor. everyone there would die. and nobody else would be dumb enough to try it again. and that's taking it as far as actually making a colony. the actual building of the infrastructure on a foreign planet is even more impossible than surviving a catastrophic event after that infrastructure gets built.
this is not a science fiction novel. this is really fkn life. and we do not and will not ever have the means of moving a colony of people to a planet with no atmosphere. period. there are way too many variables and safety hazards to overcome that we will never be able to get past. stop living in fantasy land man. this will be the only planet that humans will ever live on. why not try colonizing the ocean before colonizing another planet? that's much more feasible. but again, one catastrophic failure and the whole colony drowns.
The biggest thing that will push us off the planet is the fact that the Sun will go Nova and we can't be here when it does, fact.
The most likely place for a manned scientific base near Jupiter would be Callisto not Europa. The radiation on Europa is too high! Callisto is outside the radiation belt and probes on Europa could be managed in very close to real time. Titan is also an interesting possibility.
Another reason why there is no life on Europa. Well unless they have adapted to the radiation.
Yeah its likely when we land humans on Mars, Callisto will be the next target
There's a reason why Callisto is peppered with crater holes. It has no atmospheric defence against asteroid impacts. And being so far out from Jupiter, it can't rely on Jupiter's gravity to pull asteroids away.
@@Aquascape_Dreaming The best place to live is not on Callisto but under it. If Callisto has a warm core it might have agreeable temperatures in caves or excavated areas. This would give you protection from both radiation and surface meteor impacts.
Not sure, but maybe if you lived under a suficent amount of water on Europa you could be protected from Jupiter's radiation? Depends on if Europe's ocean is deep enough I guess
Ganymede (sp?) maybe? I believe although weak, it actually has a magnetic field, could help with the radiation and what not. Maybe underground there; has a lot of water, a tiny amount of oxygen even in a thin atmosphere as well.
I agree, to set foot on other worlds, marvelous achievement, and will probably yield many advances, scientical, technological, even philosophical, but why would anyone want to live there when we have such a beautiful home planet, all the more reason to look after it.
Exactly so
"Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids.
In fact, it's cold as hell."
Rocket man
actually its not so cold there
if not because of the pressure you wouldnt need so much insulation at some places/times
we re experts in flooding our atmosphere with greenhouse gases we should just spend our knowledge there instead of here
and the cold might not be an issue there for to long
It's more likely people will wanna live IN SPACE and then at that point the resources around the solar system would be super cheap to transport between space stations.
You make valid points based on current technology. I think it all depends on what technology is developed or discovered or even shared in the future as to whether we can colonize our solar system or others.
Technology is mostly at its theoretical limits for most part.
Yea.. He seems to think boomer tech will be as far as we get! :D
He seems to think we want to make other planets earth instead of enjoying them as violent nasty weird planets too...
He also seems to think space mining is to take minerals back.. to earth!?!?!?!
And lastly he thinks humans need a reason to go live somewhere... But they just need to have no one stopping them... :)
Try saving earth’s atmosphere before running off into the solar system. It’s irrationally myopic even pretending Mars should even be an option.
@@mtn1793 I believe in having a backup plan
@@garrisong Ignoring your present situation with an illogical fantasy is no backup plan it’s a delusion.
The minimum objective should be to have a planet that some humans could migrate to if our planet runs into a cosmic disaster.
Well, not with attitude we won't.
Protection from radiation and collisions are the main problem with long distance travel.
And speed and time. very hard to overcome.
A lot of things have happened that people said would never happen. So i never say never. We have no idea if we'll colonize the system or not. If rocket technology gets more advanced and cheaper, like it is currently getting, then we might be able to colonize the system. Only time will tell.
" If rocket technology"...... yes that caveman tech is going to get us all over the place lmao. in 40,000 light years
Should we not try to make earth better place then go further / what about under the sea could we live there
@@alanaban3519 we can do both.
Alternative propulsion methods are being studied. Nuclear power will likely be used for interplanetary travel in the near future while chemical engines will be relegated to only be used to reach orbit.
@@sprinter768 we are already BUILDING the spin thing which launches you 15 miles into the air saving 8 tonnes (NOT TONS) Which is A LOT and only cost 2 million to build which we are ALREADY building and only costs 6000$ for one launch.
Which is Hella cheap compared to others.
How many times has the word “impossible”, or the words “we will never” been said with regard to human achievements that have been attained?
How many times has musk said something is possible, and it turned out to be impossible?
Probably the same amount of times 😂
The drive to create new ideas, tech and overall solutions comes from need. Hence this is why colonizing seems so impossible. Its scientific curiosity driving it not need.
I bet in the 1700’s their was an article titled “why we will never fly like the birds” I wonder how that article aged 🤣🤣
I'm not sure they will let us leave until we pass a basic US HISTORY TEST.
Media. It started a revolution. 3/5/1770
Fake news was sent everywhere.
I work in Boston media.
Page 1. On a desk.
One man called us an enemy. 2.24.17
interestingly, we don't "fly like the birds" do today either; we found a different way!! ;D
GREAT POINT AND FUNNY TOO.
There was a article from thew new York times newspaper in the early 1900s i think it said why man will not fly for another million years and like a week later the first plane was made
@@TiltedHandle yup, they, Wrights flew in 1903, at Kitty Hawk, N.C. ;D
This video only shows the perspective on an individual level. You don't want to live on Mars, so therefore you cannot foresee anyone else wanting to live on Mars. My counter argument to that is there are plenty of people on Earth (albiet not an overwhelming number) that want to live in isolation on Earth already. There are a very small percentage of people who live entirely off the grid. There are also people who love risks; who unnecessarily jump off cliffs, travel to war zones, travel to different dangerous places here on Earth to seek thrill. You can't simply dictate what others want to do just because you don't see the appeal or practicality.
The initial group or groups of people who travel there commercially to start a new life would understand the risks, but also seek them. As long as the technology continues to exponentially advance that colonizing Mars is inevideble, and so is our solar system provided that there isn't an extinction event before then. We cannot be contained to one planet as long as there are people who want to go, and as long as there is enough engineering talent and money applied to the problem of getting and staying there.
The earthly risk takers you speak of don't require 100s to 1000s of other people to support their risky efforts.
I doubt they would be considered for space colonization which will require very conscientious participants.
There is a lot of people in Earth who wants to abandon Earth forever and live in a hostile environment like Mars. Most os them have deep psichiatric problems who would be dangerous for the mission.
@@rc1982 Most people would not want to go to north pole and south pole but would not think everyone that went there were psychotically disturbed.
@@rc1982 Oh really? Care to provide any references to that claim?
@@paulcooper8818 Colonization will be a commercial project. If you're physically fit enough to go and can afford it, you'll most likely be able to go
I agree. If it’s likely we still got a long way to go. Space travel wont be big until it’s profitable but it may never get to that point because of cost
there are already some humans with lots of money who wanne pay millions and even more just for trips around the moon
or to the iss
if we have more efficient/reliable transportation methods and the infrastructur beeing able to visit interesting places
there will be a market for that imho
the drop in mass to orbit cost will have a lot of impact in the future missions to space
Insane Curiosity, good video! When you arrived at the part about Ceres, I was surprised to hear you pronounce it Sarah's, rather than series, as I've always heard it. So, I made a trip to Wikipedia, where my understanding was backed up.
You should rename the channel "insane Pessimism".
I agree. Colonizing outside our solar system is near impossible and not practical. Within our solar system it is still extremely limited and costly. Better off focusing on saving this planet.
@ Chris B thank you for watching
Crossing the Atlantic and flying in the air were also thought impossible, not very long ago in the scheme of things. The challenges seem insurmountable for sure, but outright dismissing them as such would indeed be the insurmountable obstacle.
It's not the same because we know animals do both. We have a preexisting example to study.
In fact, it take millenias to did so. Even with the viking knowledge we never had the enough tech to send a strong fleet with enough resourses to make colonies until 1500
@@TheKarofaar the Polynesians did pretty good colonizing the Pacific with rafts and canoes.
@@zaatas Is about industrial projection not about sending people to survive in another land.
If we send some dragon ball capsules to another world, people just die in there.
We need to send an (many) autonomous fleet in wich one we have the resources to survive in this land against the environment.
Europeans did it sending cows, horses, vegetables and industrial production to extract gold, iron, copper, wood and all the stuff to build ships, castles, and all the stuff.
@@TheKarofaar i wasn't talking about space travel, i was just refuting the point you made about ocean travel like you needed some high society and industry to cross an ocean successfully. You don't. People were ocean hopping way before the Vikings and the 1500s my dude. China had the industry and technology to start sending ships in the manner you are speaking of before that date as well. Just didn't have the will or desire to.
I’ve always wanted to experience “hyper speed” space travel. Now my dreams are demolished
We should definitely try to colonize the moon, even only to test our ability to live on another planet. Everyone expected that would be done in the previous century. If we can't even settle a permanent base on the moon, it's not worth thinking of anything else.
Yeah! I'll come with you. Moon gets lonely and the only people who "want me" on Earth are law enforcement. 😃
The problrm is: we never been on the moon. This is the hoax of the century.
Nasa "lost" the technology and gave up making the spacesuit
Im guessing there will be at least a moon base within 15 years. The U.S could have built one in the 70's. They had the entire project planned out but ended it because there was no need. Now China has ambitions to build a base there which will drive competition.
@@Bitchslapper316
The Moon will be colonized because there are too many scientific,economic, geostrategic, and national pride benefits not to.
The biggest reason is the mood is loaded with He3, from the sun. It doesn't really h earth. But if Crack fusion, He3 is the fuel of choice.
I think once we discover the Mass Relays hidden across the universe, it will be a game changer
This isn't Mass Effect bro. It's real life.
@@juliancummings8436 who's to say we aren't living a sandbox alternate reality where an alien civilization is watching us? The possibilities are endless.
@@jimmylim5015 Who's to say the sun isn't made up of billions of glowing CIA agents getting ready to war with Earth, or elephants are actually ancient gods hiding in plain sight and observing us. Obviously, those statements are retarded, and I hope you know that's exactly how I view you. Who's to say you don't exist? You know what? You don't exist anymore, you are nothing. Goodbye!
@@juliancummings8436 who's to say that a snowflake can talk, like you?
@@jimmylim5015 If monkeys can talk, I think snowflakes just might be able to.
People in the 1800s being told 200 people would FLY across the ocean, in comfort and watch movies, in a big metal machine: "Have you been using opium again???"
You’ve forgotten the most important if irrational reason that we humans attempt any great endeavor: doing stupid stuff because we can.
Never say never, besides the title of this video goes against your channel, 'insane curiosity'
Maybe the "insane" part is correct! :D
@@ronschlorff7089 I think you are right 😁😁😁
Well your never going to colonize space with that attitude
The more you know about space and the Solar System, the more you realize that space travel is insanely difficult and deadly
I absolutely agree, but my hope are space stations, but we are years and years away from obtaining technology to build something that will allow nice living out there (gravity, shielding from radiation).
Terraforming is a red herring. Because you don’t like the idea of living indoors your whole life doesn’t mean others won’t jump at the opportunity, if the indoors is a space ship, habitat or colony. In fact half of sci fi takes place in such an environment - see The Expanse. I expect many will.
I think you underestimate your species, my friend. I don't think it'll happen in our lifetimes, but I do see humanity reaching out into the stars eventually.
Yeah... No. There are places on earth we can't colonize and we have water, air and easy access to supplies here. I don't think you grasp how far apart the planets actually are, never mind how inhospitable they are. The moon is right around the corner (only a handful of days away) and nothing... We are still hanging out in high atmosphere pretending it is space and that we aren't "falling" to stay in "orbit".
@@t0neg0d We can colonize any place on Earth actually. With Nuclear Fisson + Desalination, there's no such thing as an inhospitable place on Earth.
There are great challenges to colonizing space, but they all have a myriad of candidate solutions.
Just because baseline biological humans have difficulty with a colonization effort does not mean that future humans with post-biological vessels will. Biology is overated anyhow.
@@t0neg0d right, humans could never survive on the moon... oh wait they did and I watched them on TV live over half a century ago.
Moon colony is being planned and the first rocket in that program launched days ago, maybe you missed it.
@@RWZiggy Yeah , survived by spending enormous amounts of money for a few hours of picnic .
@@t0neg0d I’m well aware of how far away everything is, thank you. Need I remind you that 100 years ago if you told people we would have tiny portable computers in our pockets or that we could fly around the Earth whenever we wanted, they’d have had a hard time believing that too.
You never know what technological breakthroughs are in humanity’s future. Just because something isn’t possible or feasible now, doesn’t mean it won’t ever be.
Very logical predictions based on our current understanding of science and technology, I have a feeling that these predictions will be valid for centuries at least...
I think that life is very prevalent in the galaxy. I remember a time not that long ago when scientists thought liquid water was rare in the Solar System. Now, we are fairly certain it is very common throughout the Solar System. I think the same is true of life.
Your proof?
@@bassmanjr100 My proof? That is your entire argument. Give me your proof life doesn’t exist in a galaxy full of stars (estimated at 100 to 400 billion by a scientist in the European Space Agency). The same scientists state that the Milky Way has at minimum at least as many planets as stars in the Milky Way.
In her office on the 17th floor of MIT’s Building 54, Sara Seager is about as close to space as you can get in Cambridge, Massachusetts.Kepler’s answer was unequivocal. There are more planets than there are stars, and at least a quarter are Earth-size planets in their star’s so-called habitable zone, where conditions are neither too hot nor too cold for life. With a minimum of 100 billion stars in the Milky Way, that means there are at least 25 billion places where life could conceivably take hold in our galaxy alone-and our galaxy is one among trillions.
Do I know for certain? No! I said that in my original comment when I said I think. Did I say intelligent life in my comment? No! However, I certainly hope the answer is yes. Based upon my reading about a subject that interests me, I think life forming in the right environment is very common. My opinion! If I had absolute proof, I wouldn’t be wasting my time responding to you because I would be the most sought after person on the planet because everyone would want to hear my evidence.
Have you watched the Kurzgesagt video on terraforming Venus? It'd definitely be costly, and isn't likely to start for centuries at least, but it does sound possible and definitely a smaller challenge than interstellar travel.
looking at the current Federal budget deficit that would be ambitious for the foreseeable one hundred years
They can even terraform our deserts lol
@@Marvin-dg8vj
100 years is a near magical time line considering it would probably take thousands to even consider thinking that would be a possibility.
Yes and people being able to levitate objects by waving a stick around and shouting "abracadabra" also sounds possible to some people. You see what's "possible" pails in comparison to what's probable.
Venus is the best planet for colonization and exploration. 5/10, not a 1/10. Enough water in atmosphere as vapors to make rocket fuel, lot of C02 to make oxigen. Factory for making goodies from Venus atmosphere. Cianobakteries floating in Venus atmosphere can for couple hundred years completely change atmosphere and reduce temperature.
Well it may be possible far into the future but right now we have ONE planet that we are destroying.
we will never destroy the earth.... we can only make it unlivable for us....... think about it. .... the planet has been through worse than humans and will continue to be around for a very long time .
This video is correct
If God wanted human to travel and live on other planets than God would have given us the resources.
Columbus didn't have to carry oxygen with him.
He didn't have a lifejacket on him when he sailed across the Atlantic ocean
In 1860s I think it was Jules Verne who said: in 100 years we will have cities on the moon. In 1949 the novel Red Planet talked about how in the near future humans will colonise Mars. It’s been 74 years and we’re still waiting
What if instead of colonizing those worlds, we make really big rotating cylinders to live inside in space?
Why would anybody want to live in a metal tube in space? You can’t just pop out for a walk.
@@gipgap4 if they are big enough, you can make parks inside them similar to what we have on earth. Plus, the earth’s population may grow so much that the cost of living will be cheaper off planet.
It is insane to do so but it makes a lot more sense than trying to live on Titan or Mars. Stupid.
sure you can and if you fall towards the earth youll just come around and land on top of the station again.. @@gipgap4
I've seen the previous “Never”-videos, and while FTL and extrasolar colonization *may* remain a dream, it can't be said with certainty. The closer you get to home, you cannot use words of certainty like “will” and “never” with the same level of vehemency. This would imply having a perfect understanding of the future or a medieval mindset of all that can be discovered has already been discovered. This is a very cynical approach to the future and on the other end of Musk & Co., the other extreme you could say. Even with our current technology, we could at least bootstrap bases. Colonization is a long-term goal that may be centuries away, it can be the result of many steps in between which may take just as long. All modern technology is the result of iterations after someone created a flawed initial product after a prototype. Scientific research and recognizing potential at the right time is basically going hand in hand, and it is unpredictable or foreseeable where it goes and when something will happen, or how it will play out. Once there is a demand, there is also opportunity and over time costs will go down and become a normalized part of any economy. Currently, there isn't much demand for more resources, just as there was no demand for more land to colonize in 1492; however, it's possible that the resources of the solar system may be tapped one day. Skepticism is fine, when it applies to specific concepts or ideas, but it's a bad tool for prognosis.
100% agree with you!
@Armchair Magpie, I concur with your well reasoned rebuttal. The author has hired a somewhat convincing voice actor to narrate, but the narration comes off as smug, cynical, and dismissive of any opinion contrary to the script's frequent failing fallback to "I believe" followed by an emphatic never, thus earning this viewer's thumbs down.
💯 my man! Guy acts like we will never advance tech. moving forward. Very short sighted!
@@billhart9832I’m not convinced at all by the narrator.
I totally agree here. All this talk is nothing but talk. Space is far too deadly for us to ever make it there for very long. We are just not made for it.
People advocating for the colonization of Mars very often present an argument that seems logical and on point - if we want to ensure our survival, we need to colonize other planets, so that if something happens with Earth, we can still survive elsewhere. All sounds good so far. However, once we look into Mars more closely, I think anyone with a lick of sense can say that Mars is simply not viable as a second or backup Earth without being terraformed first - an environment in which you can't even spend too much time on the surface even in a pressure suit, because no magnetic field means the radiation will pose a significant health hazard isn't viable for anything but temporary visits of science teams. Therefore, the only viable way of colonizing Mars is to terraform it - as in, turn it's environment into one where we can walk on it's surface without a protective suit, breathe the air, grow crops, build cities, and survive for generations and generations. Here is where we get to a slight irony of it all: if we possess the technology to terraform Mars, we possess the technology to fix the Earth, which at it's worst is still a much more hospitable environment. I don't think Elon Musk's stories about self sustaining colonies there within our lifetimes are anything but hot air, unfortunately - I'm all for this to happen eventually, but we are a long way off and it's simply not something that can or should be rushed within the next few decades.
"Space mining is prohibitively expensive"... 40 years ago so were computers yet here we are walking around with one in our pockets.
Every new invention was insanely expensive, and it becomes less expensive over time, even if in small amounts by the time we're old af, progress and innovation goes on.
We are walking around with what they wouldve called alien technology our phones are thousands of times more powerful than computers 40 years ago
The premise of this video is derived from a limited understanding of the benefits of living in space. First of all, it is unlikely that large groups of people will live on Solar System's planets or moons. People will most likely live in O'Neil cylinders developed inside asteroids, mostly around the Earth-Moon system, at least to begin with. Once we will have industry on the moon, the space economy has a few undeniable advantages: cheap energy, cheap transport outside gravity wells, and unlimited surface resources available in the asteroid belt. Yes, Earth has more, but not near the surface, not as pure and not as simple to mine. Imagine how much effort it takes to mine something from under 2km shaft vs hauling a small asteroid full of iron or copper. An economy like that will be boundless.
youre thinking your lifetime and not your childrens lifetime. our ships will get faster and i suspect we will colonize both Mars as well as Proxima B, as well as the moon with about a million people on each, and have space hotels / casinos in between these as rest stops. In my lifetime? as long as i look both ways while crossing the street I should still be around in the 2060s, and will likely see this come to fruition, or at least partially.
It's one thing talking shit when one is in their own environment, confidence become more challenged when one mistake kills you. All humans know they will make mistakes from time to time. Although, robots may do the deadly work.
The biggest logistical hurdle is Fuel. Fortunately Luna supplies abundant He-3. So does Earth, but she gets rid of anything she doesn't want in her atmosphere at unbelievable rates. - We won't be expanding in our Solar system until we develop a propulsion system that converts fuel via reactor, instead of combusts it.
Why we'll do it? Because the Kola mine project made it clear, it would be more cost effective to drag in space rocks, than attempt to reach Earths mantle. - We can barely drill through a mountain in under 10yrs, for a tunnel; and instead prefer to drill through a declining edge. We also cannot break past 15km into the Earth crust. - Its 54km at the lowest point (which is under water); let alone frak the mantle.
The fact of the matter is learning the tech to get at more of Earths resources, efficiently, will only come from studying space colonization. - and like all study, there is a point where it needs to get practical; meaning we actually have to do it.
The biggest problem is our approach to the whole concept. - To be blunt: There is a ridiculous amount of hubris among mankind at this point in time. - By the time most humans remember they are Earthlings, of Earth, they are getting old (65 - 70).
Because of this, theres been an alarming decrease of redunancy in engineering and design. Theres no building a city on the Moon (which is very doable), without very robust tech.
So no small amount of rethink is going to have to be done, ie. "We're the tiny things, not the Planets". - This is a hard sell, because most peoples concept of humanity is almost demigod-like in the way we are acting. All this hyperreality out there, and other abstractions of the kind, are peddling the most absurd misconceptions about what we are, and why we're here. - Which is to serve this planet. We are Earthlings, first and foremost.
Remember, that Earth is a member of the inter-stellar community, we are still learning about. All she has to do is shift her bosom, and it could potentially knock us back a few thousand years. - Theres more evidence tgat this has happened before, than extraterrestrial life elsewhere in our Galaxy. I mean, if there is, we'd know. - Maybe every Galaxy has an Earth; but that is far into the future.
The colonization potential for Venus here is underestimated. Because of the thick atmosphere and Earth-like pressures in the upper altitudes aerostat habitats and possibly later floating cities would have good things going for them. There is good amount of scientific work that can occur on a base like that.
Thank you!
Research posts, maybe. Cities? I doubt it. The resources on the surface are not accessible so everything has to be shipped in from elsewhere..Really you're just wasting resources into a gravity well for no tangible benefit.
@@Burt1038 There's plenty of energy available and a huge balloon full of breathable air will float at one Earth atmosphere. A biosphere can be set up. Surrounding CO2 can be split into oxygen and carbon; and surrounding sulphuric acid can be split into water, oxygen, and sulphur. Specialized machinery can explore and mine the surface and can be pulled up, either from the city itself or by tethered submarine-like vehicles floating above the machinery. We know little about what's available on Venus. It may be well worth our while.
I do think we may one day establish some research outposts on some of the other bodies in the solar system, but likely not full fledged colonies and certainly not until we come up with a much more efficient and faster travel methods, all of which could take hundreds or even thousands of years. If we even last that long
Our greatest problem is ego, where machines should lead the way, we want to put people, at 100 times the cost.
Humanoid robots who can gain consciousness and fix themselves while supervising machines that can build colonies will represent Earth. How silly to believe people with our tiny lifespan could explore space. However, human’s contribution can be to build the robots that become a million times smarter than us.
I disagree for a whole host of reasons. I'm in the camp with the likes Isaac Arthur and John Michael Gaudier. It will take time. It will be hard. There will be failures and loss of life. But our societies without a shared dream falter. Not everybody needs to share the dream, only a small percentage. But a small percentage is all we need to keep the dream alive and make progress towards the goal.
But that dream requires money, and resourses to accomplish.
And that is the point being made.
Elon Musk might inspire people to fund a mission to Mars.
And after they spend 5 times more than Elon predicted, and see what little inspiration it invokes in the public mindset, much less what little is gained having done so.
Those money's and resources will likely dry up quickly.
And this is a life colonization dreamer talking.
Just look at how quickly the funding dropped out of the Apollo program once the political goal of beating the Russians to the moon was achieved.
Regular people aren't inspired by scientific goals.
And only fear motivated them to achieve the political goal.
What sort of jolly happy Santa Claus goal do you think is going to inspire people to invest trillions to quadrillions of dollar's(cause that's what it will cost) to ferry fragile little furless monkeys across the vastness of space(just in this solar system) to colonize completely inhospitable locations?
It would cost us less, to politically unite ourselves to the goal of no longer fighting wars, or over fishing, or wasting soil on profit based farming, and learning to conserve or efficiently use what resourses we have here, on Earth.
Not one person you've met even gives a third of a remote turd about the long term survivability of life on this planet.
The only true reason for colonization.
To spread life onto other planet's, and ensure the survival of life in the universe for as long as is possible.
You forgot about the ionizing radiation on Europa. It varies on different locations but is on average 6 Sv / 24h. Io is blasted with 36 Sv / 24 hours.
I think the average human will get 2.7sv a year on earth so yeah thats a lot
@@SmartestRick13 1) No. Even in Ramsar you will get less in a year. Maybe you meant "in a lifetime"?
2) Yes, It is a lot.
@@dymytryruban4324 sorry i meant 2.7 millisieverts not sieverts
And don't forget about the radioactive squid monsters that live below the ice.
5:44 - 116 Earth days?! Uh, where did that figure come from? Last time I checked, a Venusian Day was 243 Earth days, even longer than a Venusian year (224 Earth days).
Humanity will never call another rock home, ever. Period. The whole idea of even remotely effective space travel is the real pipe dream.
Bet your fun at parties
Agree with you completely. Humans can't accept our isolation and the realities of the Universe antithesis to life.
Why would we dream of living in pressurized, air conditioned environments? Such a good question. We're trying to do that without leaving Earth, though, so maybe for some people the idea of stepping outside being met with immediate death is a feature, not a flaw.
youre basically describing florida in the summer time..
I want to live in a hazardous cave with zero help.
A channel called Insane Curiosity, absolutely murdering every viewers curiosity.
It's interesting when we think of being honest and why. Obviously trust is essential actually required for any success.
I would give Titan a 5 out of 10, but I agree with every other scale. You only need air and a jacket, not a space suit. If you had a wing suit you could fly on Titan too due to the low gravity. Thanks for your content.
If your head was exposed to the -170° atmosphere it would freeze, a spacesuit would be needed I think
Biggest problem with Titan is that it’s stupidly cold.
A jacket like a space suit 😂
An absurdly warm jacket.
@@Briggiealso, basically nighttime level dark for every minute of every day. Would be a depressing place to live full time.
Although you raise valid points, didn't someone back in the 1890s say "we should close the patent office, everything that can be invented has been."
this guy never heard of the indomitable human spirit
Only a limited mind can affirm that. A little more than 100 years ago man though it was impossible to flight. Today we have gone to the moon, mats and even outside of the solar system. What it seems Impossible today will sure be possible one day if we as a race learn how to have peace, respect one another and preserve the only planet we now have .
Today we haven't gone to the moon. That was 50 years ago. Since then where have we gone? Technological advancement and human lust for exploration is not what it once was.
@@louisxix3271 we are still in the the “today” I mentioned. It’s not true that technological advancement is not as it was. We haven’t gone back to the moon yet, but we have sent human technology to mars and beyond. It all depends in the angle you look at
@@marcusdocarmo The way I see it, human civilisation is declining. Wars abound. We now worry more about securing a stable flow of electricity than expanding man's horizons in space. Poverty still dominates the globe. 3rd world countries are responsible for almost all of humanity's demographic growth. In 10, 20 years, we will still be talking about building a moon base, stepping foot on mars. But I doubt these events will occur in the next 100 years unfortunately.
@@louisxix3271 Yes. it’s true. We are full of problems and can’t see a clear path to a solution to stop wars, poverty, political extremisms, etc, etc…..Unfortunately, the same money that can help science can also destroy it depending on interests. We are still burning fuel to move our cars and machines even though electric cars are in the market because the oil industry funds politicians all over the world. I hope that If we don’t destroy ourselves in a couple of years (which is very possible), we learn from our mistakes and look forward to a better future. Let's see….
@@louisxix3271 we live in the most peaceful time in human history... what are you yapping about.... read a book ....... life if better now than any time in history no matter where you live.
The thing that convinced me we'll never colonize Mars is the long-term effects of low gravity on human health. Humans cannot live long term in a gravity field as low as Mars' and remain healthy. That means stays on Mars must remain relatively short and there will never be permanent colonists, just staff that returns to Earth after a few.years assignment on Mars. The same problem will occur on every other body in the solar system except the gas giants (where the gravity problem makes even visiting the surface impossible), and Venus, where the surface is not really practical - only aerostatic.stations in the.atmosphere.
There is also the problem of radiation. Except for.the gas giants, only the Earth has a magnetic field strong enough to shield humans from solar flares. Only underground colonies would be practical, but the only places underground colonies would be possible have already been eliminated from consideration because humans cannot survive long term in their weak gravity.
Maybe some medical or technological breakthrough will change this, but right now, the only place in the solar system humans can successfully colonize would be earth.
We only know the effects of micro gravity or zero g but we don't actually know the affects of less gravity but there are engineering methods around it things like tracked centrifuges which combine centrifugal force and gravity to simulate normal gravity, Venus is in fact easier to colonize than Mars because of the dense atmosphere protects against radiation and is so dense that a balloon filled normal earth air would float and at the height the Ballon the temperature will around earth normal. I would looking up Isaac arthur on TH-cam his videos go into more detail
Evolution will do it's part
@James so true.
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I expect that the sophisticated colonies of robots will be established on the solar planets that scientists in orbit can use as avatars to safely explore them. The pulp fiction era vision of a repeat of the Wild West in Outer Space is and always as a pipe dream.
I could not disagree more with this video
When it comes to our future space achievements, the OP is pretty optimistic when it comes to time frame. I don't see us doing much in the next 30 years. I tend to agree with a lot of what he stated. My answer to the Fermi paradox is that we're all stranded in our respective solar systems. If we ever decide to mine the asteroid belt, it'll be done with robots. As far as Europa, I'd like to be optimistic about it hosting life but he may be right, it could be devoid of it. As well as the other ice shelled moons. However, science communication and futurist Isaac Arthur doesn't care for "gravity wells" and thinks many of our a̶n̶c̶e̶s̶t̶o̶r̶s̶ descendants will be building and living on mega structures. I'm not so optimistic but if there's one thing folks are usually bad at, is predicting the future. So... who knows? We'll just have to wait and see if any of it materializes in our lifetimes.
Once humans colonize and flourish on bottoms of oceans and Antarctica, I will be more optimistic of humans colonizing outer space.
*Descendants, ancestors are the people who came before us.
@@tfan2222 Thanks for the correction.
The only reason human beings may fail to move off planet into the solar system and beyond has nothing to do with physical laws. It has to do with the painful fact that we cannot get along with each other. We are inherently violent by nature. Deep inside the most peaceful of us hides a slayer. I do not believe our evoluionary experience can necessarily apply to all living beings in the universe. I must confess that i think we are an out layer...a mistake that is uncorrectable.
You (just like the masses of people with the same cognitive dissonance would be) are gravely mistaken in thinking it were an optimistic view to like to think the moon Europa hosts life. Read the Wikipedia page on animal suffering to know better. You're asking who knows, and I happen to know why no civilization in this universe is meant to colonize outer space.
It's bizarre that the point of us never colonizing the solar system is being discussed when there are so many active plans from space agencies around the world, to do just that.
You forgot about the lack of a magnetosphere on the Moon, so explorers would die from radiation, just as they would on Mars. And you forgot about the deadly perchlorates in the Martian soil.
Top scientists use to say that the earth was in the center of the solar system, and people use to think that the speed of sound was unreachable, People also sue to say that living on the ocean floor was impossible, Just because it is impractable now and too costly now does not mean that will be true in 50 to 100 years.
All of those things came from a lack of understanding. Here we clearly understand the challenges as we've actually looked in to them
Colonizing outside of earth is a pipe dream
@@Korkzorz today it is a pipe dream. But 50 years or more who know what will be possible. We already have better ships and spacesuits then what we had even 20 years ago. And humans being who we are will always improve and strive for more.
@@Korkzorz All of those things came from a lack of understanding from people *who were completely convinced they understood*.
There were top scientists at the end of the 19th century who were convinced that our understanding of physics was complete (within 20 years, we would have general relativity and quantum mechanics), and that humankind would never fly (the Wright brothers achieved it in a decade). Would they dismiss the concept of a man walking on the moon within a century as fantasy? Would they be able to imagine what we would achieve in space flight (robotic exploration and space telescopes), and combined with our new models of physics, what detail we would learn about the universe and its origins? Our understanding now is further advanced from them as they were from the geocentric model.
The flaw in this video seems to me to be the assumption of at best roughly linear advancement in technology (therefore making assumptions about the difficulty of the task based on the present day technical barriers) combined with a static, present-day set of motivations to try (based on our current needs and resources).
We are not good at thinking exponentially. In the last 200 years, our population has increased 10 times the amount it grew in the 12000 years before it. Our way of life changed slowly over that 12000 years since the agricultural revolution, but our industrial revolution means it changes more than that by each generation. We went from whole civilisations not recording their history, to writing 3500 years ago, to the printing press 600 years ago, to the internet in the last 30 years. We could walk for 200,000 years, rode horses for 6000, built trains and cars for 200, and now we can go to space on rockets in the last 50. Yet we think the next generation will be like us.
Factor into account exponential change into account (both in our technology capability and humanity's circumstances) and we could be way of the mark here in our predictions for the future.
@@Korkzorz Not in our lifetime sure.
@@rochedl
Don't forget the issues in space, gravity, distance, radiation, resources, comfort, if we ever colonize other planets it will be when we fix all this issues. Maybe in 1000-10000 years. Don't forget, to terraform it will take tens of thousands to millions of years to achieve with current tech, and with advance tech thousands of years. The best will have at this worlds I'm the next 1000 years will be small outpost.
Space isn't as easy or fast to progress as in earth. It will take thousands of years to even be able to live in this worlds for extended time, and only in control living spaces.
Agree 100%! All the wild theorizing leaves out so many mundane little things that makes human life possible. We're still struggling to made our wonderful Earth totally livable: Sahara, Antartica, Siberia, Australian interior, Gobi, etc.. So, forget about other planets.
It will probably wind up being easier to build new planets from scratch than to "terraform" pre-existing ones.
I think that it doesn't matter if we physically go or settle any place outside the earth. We will still explore as much of our universe as possible. Using un-manned vehicles and drones as we have been doing and even more powerful telescopes is how we will do this. It will still be extremely interesting, even if we just view it from a camera. But, I think it's too early to say it's totally impossible. Many things that we have done today would have seemed impossible to humans living a few centuries ago.
I think the biggest hurdle will be humanity surviving long enough to develop the required technology. It's definitely possible. If we survive long enough.
We definitely can and it's already proven we can and we can make it into 1 quadrillion people and up.
Go watch the Krugeztagt.
@@Ralampos or Issac Arthur
We have less than 12 years apparently. Get crackin'
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If you look at what we can do with our current technology and thinking, no, we can't colonize the system. Then again, 1000 years ago humans could only imagine of flying like a bird. Given the technology and thinking then, an intelligent, logical thinking person could never conceive of humans flying like we do today.
The biggest limitation is thinking we are at the peak of technology and thinking.
we fly , yet its nothing like a bird.... thats your mistake..... we will achieve new technology someday and it will be nothing that we think is possible today.... atleast i hope so
Space habitats. Also.
Earth has life.
Even in the desert.
So polution here is an actual problem.
Polution on the Moon, Mars, some asteroid?
Just esthetics.
Add rising prices of rare elements, and I do believe we get there.
Rule #1 in astronomy: Almost never say never. We most certainly will colonize the Sol System, at some point.