Hamilton vs. Madison and the birth of American partisanship | Noah Feldman

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  • @margauxb3591
    @margauxb3591 7 ปีที่แล้ว +157

    As interesting as this is, I'm in the comments section just waiting for the Hamilton references

    • @amberkashif1270
      @amberkashif1270 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equally.😂

    • @amberkashif1270
      @amberkashif1270 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Anna R lmaooo! Did u watch it? I did with the understudy not Miranda. I can't even imagine how amazing it would have been with him

    • @-somatryoshka
      @-somatryoshka 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Honestly same

  • @sliceofbread6929
    @sliceofbread6929 7 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Madison: Look I wrote like 29 essays
    Hmailton: Just finished my 51st today
    Madison: ...

    • @troofveritas8233
      @troofveritas8233 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Lucas Baker An important point here to is quality over quantity - quantity without quality is superficial, quality without insufficient quantity may be ineffectual. But on balance, in total, James Madison’s work was of far higher quality and utility and significance than Hamilton’s. But it was also limited in vision to some degree which Hamilton recognized on some issues. Generally speaking (or at least in optimum circumstances) ideologically, conservatives restrain liberals from imposing overly dramatic change too quickly without properly understanding the broader implications, and liberals prevent conservatives from holding on to outdated and counterproductive or unjust traditions or features of the status quo.

  • @theeyehead3437
    @theeyehead3437 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    This is interesting in a lot of ways, but I think it unfairly places blame for partisanship on Hamilton and Madison. Hamilton and Madison were great partners in politics who, even when they disagreed, worked well together to bring about the constitution. Then Thomas Jefferson came back to the country and fucked everything up. Jefferson manipulated Madison and was the real driving force behind partisanship. John Adams was the real partisan behind the Federalists. Even if Hamilton was the brain and soul of the party, it was Adams who really focused on winning elections(The alien and seditions acts are entirely on Adams, not hamilton)

  • @kotakacy4378
    @kotakacy4378 7 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    9:40
    THE ELECTION OF 1800
    CAN WE GET BACK TO POLITICS?
    please?

    • @akritiarora1904
      @akritiarora1904 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ugh What
      YO!

    • @holyteejful
      @holyteejful 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ugh What the established elite are trying to point you in any direction away from clues that ties them directly to the political money scheme

    • @holyteejful
      @holyteejful 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ugh What if u want to know what controls politics, it is money and resources ... Money is a means to resources... And money is exactly what started the "Federal Reserve" in 1890s (1913 to b exact)... Follow the money from there and u will know exactly who controls political resources

    • @Ben-gj9uu
      @Ben-gj9uu 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Every action has an equal opposite reaction, John Adams shat the bed, I love the guy but he's in traction...

    • @thatoneweirdgirlthathatesl5793
      @thatoneweirdgirlthathatesl5793 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Kayla Christian *pLeAsE*

  • @NathanGatten
    @NathanGatten 7 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    The media, namely major news outlets, is definitely part of the problem. The "With us or against us" attitude is ridiculous.

    • @seaotter52
      @seaotter52 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Nathan Gatten
      It's not a new problem. The news media of the past was little different. Just the distribution has changed. There were versions of CNN, Fox, Alex Jones, NPR, nothing really new except the ability to wipe out civilization in a few minutes with nukes. We'll get through this (hopefully)

    • @torusinterconnect771
      @torusinterconnect771 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nathan Gatten+ One Globe. One Source Of News.

    • @TomFranklinX
      @TomFranklinX 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The people's ignorance is the other half of the problem

  • @Dion_Zeum
    @Dion_Zeum 7 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    This dude looks like a combination of Benedict Cumberbatch and Matthew mcConaughey

  • @bonnieconlon8193
    @bonnieconlon8193 7 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    JOHN JAY FELL ILL AFTER WRITING ONE JAMES MADISON WROTE 26 HAMILTON WROTE THE OTHER FIFTY ONE (probably got that wrong.)

    • @TheTetrapod
      @TheTetrapod 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      5, 29, 51
      Eh, 1 outta 3 ain't bad.

    • @-somatryoshka
      @-somatryoshka 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fam

    • @bonnieconlon8193
      @bonnieconlon8193 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      TheTetrapod so close.

    • @turtlelover5988
      @turtlelover5988 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      BonBon 05
      *JAMES MADISON WROTE FIVE-

    • @alextheaxolotl3031
      @alextheaxolotl3031 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      BonBon 05 john Jay wrote 5, James Maddison wrote 29, and HAMILTON WROTE THE OTHER 51

  • @shlomosilversteinberg5785
    @shlomosilversteinberg5785 7 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    I'm sexually attracted to men in white curly wigs. Hamilton is my crush.

    • @akritiarora1904
      @akritiarora1904 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lorem Ipsum amadeus ♡

    • @shlomosilversteinberg5785
      @shlomosilversteinberg5785 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Electoral college is a good system. Popular vote has much more flaws in presidential elections. Income inequality is not 'enslavement'. The guy making $1,000,000 a year did not steal from the guy only making $45,000 a year.

  • @clevercat9774
    @clevercat9774 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Just want to put it out there at the stuff about limiting press was a battle between John Adams (federalist) & Thomas Jefferson (Republican) a lot more than Hamilton and Madison, as they ended up having to take a backseat in their respective parties.

  • @teresabenedict2920
    @teresabenedict2920 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I feel like he is just trying to paraphrase the whole second part of the musical while keeping his hands together and restraining his desire to rap. I mean, how can you talk about hamilton and not be jumping about the stage ? That man has some real restraint.

  • @fails2flips
    @fails2flips 7 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    🔥🔥🔥Because Alexander Hamilton is on $10 bills, does that make them Hamiltens?🔥🔥🔥

  • @prehistoricorchid3455
    @prehistoricorchid3455 7 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Hamilton writes like he's running out of time

    • @bonnieconlon8193
      @bonnieconlon8193 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hamilton writes like it's going out of style.

    • @prehistoricorchid3455
      @prehistoricorchid3455 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      BonBon 05
      writes day and night like he needs it to survive

    • @bonnieconlon8193
      @bonnieconlon8193 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      prehistoric Orcid writes day and night like tomorrow won't arrive.

    • @prehistoricorchid3455
      @prehistoricorchid3455 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Leaf Soup
      Are you tuning out if time are you running out of time

    • @elizabethmartin3831
      @elizabethmartin3831 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@prehistoricorchid3455 he writes like a poet, only focuses on rhymes

  • @lourdesmontes9701
    @lourdesmontes9701 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I'm a simple woman, I see Hamilton in the title, I click.

  • @naveedahmed5393
    @naveedahmed5393 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    TED is one who taught me about public speaking a lot... Thanks a lot.....

  • @turtlelover5988
    @turtlelover5988 7 ปีที่แล้ว +137

    Southern mother fUCKIN DEMOCRATIC REPUBLICANS
    WHOOO

    • @liamwelch505
      @liamwelch505 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      NOW FOLLOW THE MONEY AND SEE WERE IT GOES
      OH

    • @Ella-jk7rq
      @Ella-jk7rq 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Liam Welch BECAUSE EVERY SECOND THE TREASURY GROOOWS

    • @Ella-jk7rq
      @Ella-jk7rq 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      OH

    • @kotakacy4378
      @kotakacy4378 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      WE'LL FOLLOW THE MONEY AND SEE WHERE IT LEADS

    • @liamwelch505
      @liamwelch505 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      GET IN THE WEEDS look for the seeds of Hamilton's misdeeds

  • @MusicIsMyLifex1000
    @MusicIsMyLifex1000 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    for some reason hearing a TED talk speaker publically call Hamilton pansexual made me cry

  • @KaoticDreww
    @KaoticDreww 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Let's not forget the most important founding father: Button Gwinnett

    • @-somatryoshka
      @-somatryoshka 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Good to know I wasn't the only one thinking this 😂

    • @alextheaxolotl3031
      @alextheaxolotl3031 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Kaotic Drew what's my name? Button Gwinnett!

  • @SanTuiRabbit
    @SanTuiRabbit 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    There are a bunch of uncertain points in this speech that are manifest even to people who are not from the US. Most of them are caused by the fact that an historian should have given this speech, not some law scholar.

  • @cluelessPhilosophic
    @cluelessPhilosophic 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Best talk in a long time.

    • @Supernautwow
      @Supernautwow 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dopamine Media it really was

  • @lyra3517
    @lyra3517 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Honestly just clicked on this cause Hamilton was in the title #noregrets

  • @gabequirino
    @gabequirino 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Madison, you're mad as a hatter. Son, take your medicine. Damn, you're in worse shape than the national debt is in.

  • @solitaryseeker
    @solitaryseeker 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    "he was pansexual" laurens/hamilton confirmed good night

  • @user-wp8yx
    @user-wp8yx 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's going to be okay for some people. What he doesn't tell you is all the suffering that went on among various groups of Americans during the time and I'm not just talking about minority groups.

  • @pejmansehatpour7838
    @pejmansehatpour7838 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This talk from 3 years ago sounds great. I wonder how Noah would ammend his talk now in 2020.

  • @ryusm92
    @ryusm92 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow. I wasn't expecting much from this talk, but that was absolutely incredible.

  • @Dirtfire
    @Dirtfire 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Seems that he doesn't like Madison. You can write a song about anyone, even an unemotional politician. Both were great men.

  • @larrycoleman8149
    @larrycoleman8149 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How about ranked (proportional) voting? People say US elections go terribly wrong because there are existing systems that work well.

  • @paulbenson6189
    @paulbenson6189 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Looks on TH-cam
    I CANE AS SOON AS I HEARD

    • @lyra3517
      @lyra3517 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      the one man band Band aaaaaAAANGELICAA ALL THE WAY FROM LONDON?!!!?! DAMMMM

  • @ConquerJS
    @ConquerJS 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    there were no "coasts" at the time, almost all original colonies were along the east coast and that's all there was.

  • @EdSuastegui
    @EdSuastegui 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic talk. As Scalia said, the genius of our Constitution spans beyond the Bill of Rights. It's structure of checks and balances moves us along, even when we feel stalemated.

    • @thehealthychefri
      @thehealthychefri 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Scalia at his Oxford speech, said the Bill of rights was useless.

  • @gloriaquarantani3133
    @gloriaquarantani3133 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The comment section had me dying. I LOVE YOU HAMILFAM

  • @rhiannasaglani7404
    @rhiannasaglani7404 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How can I say no to watching this, when no amount of hamilton will leave me satisfied.

  • @mhc4124
    @mhc4124 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Oh look, educated people can be patriotic, too. And here I was thinking it could only be kindergarten dropouts.

  • @Alexdlsc87
    @Alexdlsc87 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great presentation. Those last few words are something we should all remember.

  • @honey-jf5vo
    @honey-jf5vo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Should've been Hamilton vs Jefferson

    • @StadtholderCow
      @StadtholderCow 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Madison was more of the combative figure of the duo. Jefferson often called upon Madison to respond to Hamilton's views, with those responses then becoming a platform for the Republicans.

  • @charliecastillo2011
    @charliecastillo2011 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The guy giving the talk looks a bit like Benedict Cumberbatch

  • @Leto2ndAtreides
    @Leto2ndAtreides 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And there is a reason Trump is trying to change the voting limit to 51... So he can govern however he wants.

  • @racheljane8570
    @racheljane8570 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Beware History obsessed children you are about to see what the Hamilton fandom looks like

  • @vaibhavgupta20
    @vaibhavgupta20 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    watch this at 2x speed.

  • @jdpalm1981
    @jdpalm1981 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Watching this on Nov 23, 2020 as a non-Trump GOP voter. I, clearly, can hear in his inflection how the audience was freaking out that Trump got elected. Like he said, we always think that what's happening now is so unique and important. Just chill.....AND STOP GIVING POWER TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH!

  • @notarobot2047
    @notarobot2047 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Madison you mad as a hatter so take your medicine, dam you in worse shape than the national debt is in!

  • @bobnovac3558
    @bobnovac3558 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I loved this talk I needed to hear this and it gives me so much peace. It’s going to be ok!

  • @WDEMMEL
    @WDEMMEL 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Politicians s managed to undermine the principals.
    Today, center means "I let you limit people's rights, if you agree, that I can limit other rights."
    The parties are like two lumberjacks, chopping on the tree of liberty, one piece at a time,

  • @steffighter144
    @steffighter144 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    So why keep this system if you can have the wonderful democracy system of Switzerland. Nobody would suffer from that system. Everybody would be involved: the people and the parties. It works perfectly.

    • @jaycub722
      @jaycub722 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Steffighter144 I kind of agree, but it would be so difficult, especially to change. Switzerland has 8.3 million people and the size of the Carolinas. USA has 323 million people.

  • @pathmor
    @pathmor 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My personality is a heavy mix of James Madison and Alexander Hamilton, mostly James Madison.

  • @SoulSeekerOwl
    @SoulSeekerOwl 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Its working because there hasnt been another civil war? Surely there has got to be a better barometer than that. I would argue its not working. We are falling in many categories and we are middle of the pack in many areas when it comes to things like education health science innovation manufacturing design etc etc

  • @highland42
    @highland42 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    The topic was interesting but I got really lost when he began talking about candidates needing the center to win. What does that have to do with partisanship?

    • @ICextc432
      @ICextc432 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He also that the political energy came from the edges and moved toward the center.

  • @aidoll3692
    @aidoll3692 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Let's be honest here. How many of you actually came here because of Hamilton?

  • @aaminahasan6270
    @aaminahasan6270 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i clicked so fast i thought this was benedict cumberbatch

  • @kd1s
    @kd1s 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Having read the Federalist Papers and Locke I can tell you it was an interesting time at the end of the 18th century.

  • @zetaruler
    @zetaruler 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    God fucking damn it, I _knew_ there were going to be a ton of Hamilton comments just by the title. Ffs.

    • @R3dhawk95
      @R3dhawk95 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      you say that like its a bad thing when its not

  • @subhadipbardhan9711
    @subhadipbardhan9711 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I thought him as Benedict Cumberbatch

  • @sliceofbread6929
    @sliceofbread6929 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    *What did I miss?*

  • @kennethslayor8177
    @kennethslayor8177 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    He forgot the listen to the other side and determine which of their points are valid criticisms of your own position.

  • @danielsayre3385
    @danielsayre3385 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Underrated

  • @Isharepassion
    @Isharepassion 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    *Sometimes people come into your life and you know right away that they were meant to be there, to serve some sort of purpose, teach you a lesson, or to help you figure out who you are or who you want to become.*
    You never know who these people may be - a roommate, a neighbor, a professor, a friend, a lover, or even a complete stranger - but when you lock eyes with them, you know at that very moment they will affect your life in some profound way.
    Sometimes things happen to you that may seem horrible, painful, and unfair at first, but in reflection you find that without overcoming those obstacles you would have never realized your potential, strength, willpower, or heart.
    Illness, injury, love, lost moments of true greatness, and sheer stupidity all occur to test the limits of your soul. Without these small tests, whatever they may be, life would be like a smoothly paved straight flat road to nowhere. It would be safe and comfortable, but dull and utterly pointless.
    The people you meet who affect your life, and the success and downfalls you experience, help to create who you are and who you become. Even the bad experiences can be learned from. In fact, they are sometimes the most important ones.
    If someone loves you, give love back to them in whatever way you can, not only because they love you, but because in a way, they are teaching you to love and how to open your heart and eyes to things.
    If someone hurts you, betrays you, or breaks your heart, forgive them, for they have helped you learn about trust and the importance of being cautious to whom you open your heart.
    Make every day count. Appreciate every moment and take from those moments everything that you possibly can for you may never be able to experience it again. Talk to people that you have never talked to before, and listen to what they have to say.
    Let yourself fall in love, break free, and set your sights high. Hold your head up because you have every right to. Tell yourself you are a great individual and believe in yourself, for if you don’t believe in yourself, it will be hard for others to believe in you.
    You can make anything you wish of your life. Create your own life and then go out and live it with absolutely no regrets.
    And if you love someone tell them, for you never know what tomorrow may have in store.
    Learn a lesson in life each day that you live!
    Today is the tomorrow you were worried about yesterday.
    Think About it? Was it worth it?

    • @GloryBlazer
      @GloryBlazer 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I like CHVRCHES :D

  • @reidsbay
    @reidsbay 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Here come the Hamilton references just.... wait for it
    *runs back to small hole in wall*

  • @YukiChannelShibaInu
    @YukiChannelShibaInu 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    00:13

  • @democritus2491
    @democritus2491 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Leave it to the Internet to take a thought provoking video and turn into a fucking musical reference

  • @paulwilliams1731
    @paulwilliams1731 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm just here to watch the wave of hamiltrash comments. I am not dissapointed.

  • @trombone7
    @trombone7 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Der ferk ? I thought it was Hamilton / Jefferson debates ? Anyone ? Bueller ?

  • @DavidJGillCA
    @DavidJGillCA 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's not working now.

  • @erikdumas9873
    @erikdumas9873 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    It works, but I think it could work better.

  • @nokoolaid
    @nokoolaid 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    More likely Jefferson.

  • @coolio3267
    @coolio3267 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thomas we are engaged in a battle for our nation's very soul, can u get us out of the mess were in, we have to win

  • @davebass2766
    @davebass2766 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    The labels of the players and any semblance of relevance is over stated. in other words too much emphasis on identity politics.

  • @brandonnomura9171
    @brandonnomura9171 ปีที่แล้ว

    buddy was yapping about a whole a lotta nothing

  • @kulik03
    @kulik03 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Blame the media for the divisiveness

  • @mpking-ey7ys
    @mpking-ey7ys 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He is creating a straw man to attack.

  • @mohammedsakayl3016
    @mohammedsakayl3016 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is an interesting take, but it seems pretty false, as the the current government found a solution, don't do anything and blame the other side for nothing being done.

  • @the135joker3
    @the135joker3 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    🐘|🐴=🇺🇸

  • @queenmothervirgomaat9969
    @queenmothervirgomaat9969 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes it goes all the way back difference is that then it worked Now it ain't working!

  • @gabrielaabril456
    @gabrielaabril456 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Like this

  • @FunBotan
    @FunBotan 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Divisiveness?
    Like "super-mega-far-right" vs "far-right"?
    spare me

    • @NotJustAnotherAverageJoe
      @NotJustAnotherAverageJoe 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Excuse me, but buying the press and silencing people that disagree with you is a leftist ideal.

  • @aradda555
    @aradda555 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    이남자 참 잘생겼다. 잘생긴 얼굴 보러 강의듣게됨

  • @fadiaazar603
    @fadiaazar603 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    gramerly getting annoying

  • @Lerppunen
    @Lerppunen 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hamilton was the worst of them all.