For me growing up: Protestant 'til my late teens. Atheist/Agnostic 20's-30's. 40's a return to the faith. I just turned 50 in October after what I call the spiritual "boomerang". After months of watching these videos and listening to some other Bishops and people of the Catholic faith, I want desperately to go through the RCIA. I hunger for the Eucharist, Baptism, all of it. Thank you for your channel and the amazing guests you have on your program.
Let it be known to all: Through the Holy Spirit, God has put it on me to preach to those lost in the devil's deceit! Hear me when I say, ye that are Catholic have been deceived and know not God. Ye worship Mary, praying to her; when God tells his to worship none other than him. It is idolatry. Catholicism has its own Bible and teachings, which are blasphemous to the word of God: the Holy Bible. As ye follow the teachings of man and not God; ye hear the pope, but not Jesus, yet ye claim to be his disciples! These are but a few things I named ye dwell within; there are many more. I tell you now to repent of your sins, accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and you'll receive the gift of the Holy Spirit upon asking the Father! There are *NO* sub-divisions of Christianity. You're either a disciple of Christ or not. A Christian is someone who follows God's word, not a religion. Who obey the Father and follow his will; not man's nor their own heart's. Unless you keep Jesus' commandments, think not the Holy Spirit will dwell within you! They who heed this message and did what was stated with an open heart to God... Read the Holy Bible (KJV) daily and every time before you read, pray to the Father and ask: "Lord I ask that you give me understanding of your word, that I interpret it the way you want me to, and none of my own. I ask you in Jesus' name, amen." Revelation 22:8-9 KJV 8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. 9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. Acts 2:38 KJV 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Luke 11:13 KJV 13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? John 14:21-24 KJV 21 *He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.* 22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23 Jesus answered and said unto him, *If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.* 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and *the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.* 3 John 1:11 KJV 11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. *He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.* 1 John 3:6-10 KJV 6 *Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.* 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: *he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.* 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 *Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.* 10 *In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God,* neither he that loveth not his brother.
Mr. Pine is not an amazing guest, he is a heretic! Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino”, 1441: “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.” Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439: “Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.” It [the Holy Roman Church] condemns, rejects and anathematizes all who think opposed and contrary things, and declares them to be aliens from the Body of Christ, which is the Church.” (Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra) St. Basil, Letter 257, 4th century: “Remember that it is not the multitude who are being saved, but the elect of God. Be not then affrighted at the great multitude of the people who are carried here and there by winds like the waters of the sea.” I could quote many, many more solemn teachings that demolish this heretic's apostasy. You need to become a real Catholic, look into MHFM's video vatican II council of apostasy on YT. Remember to pray the rosary every day, God bless you.
Great video! "To whom shall we go oh lord? For You have the words of eternal life" "No one comes to the father but by me" "Strive to enter through the narrow door, for many I tell you will seek to enter, but will not be able"
Mr. Pine is not a saint, he is a heretic! Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino”, 1441: “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.” Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439: “Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.” It [the Holy Roman Church] condemns, rejects and anathematizes all who think opposed and contrary things, and declares them to be aliens from the Body of Christ, which is the Church.” (Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra) St. Basil, Letter 257, 4th century: “Remember that it is not the multitude who are being saved, but the elect of God. Be not then affrighted at the great multitude of the people who are carried here and there by winds like the waters of the sea.” I could quote many, many more solemn teachings that demolish this heretic's apostasy. You need to become a real Catholic, look into MHFM's video vatican II council of apostasy on YT. Remember to pray the rosary every day, God bless you.
Always keep in mind that God desires that every person be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth. And always keep in mind that God expressed this truth by hanging from a cross in the body of Jesus out of love for sinners.
He above all desired the jews to be saved and of them he wept: "oh jerusalem! Jerusalem! How I would have gathered you together as the hen gathers her brood, but you would not believe" And after 3 straight years of regularly preaching, healing and doing miracles to the jews so that they might believe he said: " and he said to the vinedresser, ‘Look, for three years now I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and I find none. Cut it down. Why should it use up the ground?’"
There are actually zero (nulla) people saved (salus) outside (extra) the Church (Ecclesiam). Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino”, 1441: “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.” Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439: “Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.” It [the Holy Roman Church] condemns, rejects and anathematizes all who think opposed and contrary things, and declares them to be aliens from the Body of Christ, which is the Church.” (Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra) St. Basil, Letter 257, 4th century: “Remember that it is not the multitude who are being saved, but the elect of God. Be not then affrighted at the great multitude of the people who are carried here and there by winds like the waters of the sea.” I could quote many, many more solemn teachings that demolish this heretic's apostasy. You need to become a real Catholic, look into MHFM's video vatican II council of apostasy on YT. Remember to pray the rosary every day, God bless you.
If someone who claims to be a Catholic seriously believes that someone outside the Catholic Church can be saved, should revisit what the Church teaches.
I believe in Jesus Christ. I believe and am thankful that he came to die for our sins on the cross redeeming our souls and that he rose again on the third day defeating death. I am repentant and ask for the lord’s forgiveness. Why would he not have saved me?
He instituted a church and asked us to be fed by that church and to confess our sins to His priests and to eat his body and blood at the Eucharist, to pray for the living and the dead etc
Father - It seems like you were saying in the beginning of the video that Christ founded the Catholic Church and that everyone needs to belong to it to be saved, but you finished with stating that God's grace spills outside the bounds of the visible church and also acts in the Orthodox, Protestant, Muslim and Jewish faiths and that individuals in those faith traditions are only obliged to become Catholic if they believe the Church is who she says she is? Am I missing something? Your last point seems to contradict the missionary spirit with which thousands of souls sacrificed their lives to convert the masses. It seems the Church used to have more clarity on this issue in centuries past. I found this video more confusing than clarifying.
Hey man, I know your comment is from a year ago, but if you were still looking for clarity on this topic, Tim Staples has a great article on Catholic Answers that might help, titled 'Is There Really "No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church?"' God bless
Hope or Faith in God's Word is not something like we use in modern English language i.e I hope my team wins the superbowl or whatever...Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
If it's that complicated, I am thankful that I am a Baptist. Jesus' call was pretty simple (John 3:16), man has made salvation complicated, as this video clearly shows. No wonder Jesus never wrote anything. He didn't have to. His call was to love and follow him. Simple. As far as The Church is concerned, all Christians are members of the Body of Christ...The Church. Blessings to you all!
Christianity can only be understood properly by viewing both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. Sacred Tradition refers to the beliefs the early church (pre-Bible) had and onward. These were written down in the Didache, which is the first Catechism and it predates the Bible more than 200 years and was taught by the first Christians. ‘The Word of God’ is one of Christ’ titles and Sacred Tradition refers to the teachings the early Christians had. The letters and writings that the early Church put together in the 3rd century were spread across regions and nobody held them together. The original doctrines of Christ’ apostles were taught verbally. When the Bible was put together by a Church that already dubbed itself ‘Catholic’ or “Universal” it was, as writings tell us, put together so that it was in line with an Orthodox teaching that was already established by then. The Consecration of the Eucharist, confession, Formation, Apostolic Succesion, veneration of Mary,… was already practiced back then according to historical letters from that time. The Bible was put together by Christians that believed in these doctrines and they picked the books of The Bible so that there was no conflict. ‘But why is the word consecration not in the Bible?’ Well, because the Bible was never put together to be a religious handbook for believers. The Bible is not the manual of Christianity, the Cathechism is. The Didache, which is again way older than the Bible, was the first Catechism of the Catholic Church.
@@LaurensZandvoort Man-made rules and laws. Jesus told the Pharisees that they did not know how the law was meant to be used. The Catholic church does not know what Jesus taught. They have butchered it just like the Pharisees did the law.
When Protestants speak of "the church", they generally don't include Catholics and Eastern Orthodox, which demonstrates how sadly and thoroughly deceived they are. 😢 Furthermore, the chaotic, fractured, leaderless "church" of Protestantism is nothing like the Church founded by Jesus, as described in the NT. P.S. I'm a Catholic and an ex-Protestant.
Trent If any one saith, that by the said sacraments of the New Law grace is not conferred through the act performed, but that faith alone in the divine promise suffices for the obtaining of grace; let him be anathema.
@@sleepystar1638 but that faith alone in the divine promise suffices for the obtaining of grace; let him be anathema. So Eph 2:5-9 is a lie? Titus 3:5 is false? James 2 faith without works is dead so what are the works that James 1:1 is addressing to the Jews? Found in our Lord's reply to the Jews in John 6:27-29 ! This is why you go to the scriptures for your belief and question anything you are taught. Acts 17:11 Council of Trent says something and roman Catholics are told to believe it or be cursed . Scripture tells me that salvation is a gift and I obtain it through faith without any works . Eph 2:9 but don't get confused and think faith is sitting on our thumbs. All through the new testament it tells you to live out your faith not for salvation ,but because of salvation being given to you and complete forgiveness of all your sins.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 lol John 6 28They said therefore unto him: What shall we do, that we may work the works of God? 29Jesus answered, and said to them: This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he hath sent. Faith is a work so says Jesus Christ n Faith comes from grace, if u say u have no works u have no faith either because they are tied Matthew 16 16Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. 18And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. does Faith come from flesh an blood? no it comes from grace, there are two types of works Galatians 5 16I say then, walk in the spirit, and you shall not fulfil the lusts of the flesh. 17For the flesh lusteth against the spirit: and the spirit against the flesh; for these are contrary one to another: so that you do not the things that you would. 18But if you are led by the spirit, you are not under the law. 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are fornication, uncleanness, immodesty, luxury, Ephesians 2 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus in good works, which God hath prepared that we should walk in them. two works, Flesh or Spirit, Flesh works cant get u into Heaven, but Spirit works are required, such as Baptism. which is a work of faith, Evangelizing, taking care of the sick poor imprisoned n old. that's why the Bible seemingly "contradicts" itself to Protestants, because u don't understand it. As Ephesians 2 says "Walk in them" which are good works. Titus 3 5Not by the works of justice, which we have done, but according to his mercy, he saved us, by the laver of regeneration, and renovation of the Holy Ghost; 6Whom he hath poured forth upon us abundantly, through Jesus Christ our Savior: 7That, being justified by his grace, we may be heirs, according to hope of life everlasting. 8It is a faithful saying: and these things I will have thee affirm constantly: that they, who believe in God, may be careful to excel in good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. 9But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law. For they are unprofitable and vain. 10A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid: 11Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment. laver of regeneration means Baptism, so Justice works arent require but the Faith work of Baptism is, showing a contrast in these two works, but Paul says he does the works of Justice anyways.... in Titus 3.5 2 Peter 1 20Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. 21For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost. how are u supposed to understand when u privately interpret everything urself which is contrary to the Gospel? who is ur Holy man interpreter?
I have no excuse! I know the Catholic Church is the true body of Christ, and I cling to Mother Church for the sake of my soul and for the sake of my love for Jesus Christ (by His grace!). MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!!
Not to be too confrontational, but could you explain to me how you know that? While I find the idea attractive, I've not been convinced by the Catholic or Orthodox authority claims. That said, if I believed such claims I'd likely end up Orthodox.
@@EmberBright2077 There's no point in explaining. One, it would take way too long, and two, ultimately people are not converted by reason, but by the Holy Spirit.
Thank you Father for this extremely articulate and thorough exposition of the dogma "Extra ecclesiam nulla salus". I confess there are things I do not understand, so I simply trust what the Church teaches. It is clear to me that the Church has traditionally taught two things with regard to salvation of non Catholics: 1- there can be no good hope that they will be saved unless they explicitly renounce their false beliefs and at least intend to convert. See error number 17, condemned by Pius IX's Syllabus: "Good hope at least is to be entertained of the eternal salvation of all those who are not at all in the true Church of Christ." 2- It is POSSIBLE in some unknown way, for those who die as non Catholics, to be saved. As the doctrine "baptism of desire" implies, God's grace can transcend the visible limits of His Church. This is a doctrine the Church Father's clearly teach, and which I therefore believe in. A soul may have a mystical encounter with God just before death, unbeknown to anyone else, thereby allowing it to desire baptism or the true faith. We should never categorically afirm that anyone is in Hell, with the possible exception of Judas, of whom Our Lord said it would have been better if he had never been born. We cannot know for sure what occurs between a soul and God in the final moments. Nor should we assume, or even expect, that a non catholic is saved. There is a difficult balance to maintain. On one hand we should avoid the modernist, indifferentism, which makes belonging to the One, true Church a dispensable luxury. On the other, we should also avoid unnecessary rigorism, condemning everyone who is not officially catholic. That's my five cents. God bless you all, and Merry Christmas!
Isn't that a bit of a contradiction though? Saying we should not condemn, but immediately prior you straight up said that we should not assume or expect that they will be saved (implying condemnation). It's a cheap escape hatch. To say we should not expect or assume a non-Catholic to be saved condemns **billions** implicitly.
@@Gumbi1012 I don't think it's an escape hatch. Pius IX was very careful in his wording. He did not say all who die as non catholics are damned; he said we should not have a strong hope of their being saved, meaning that they are most likely lost, but there is always a slim chance that God could somehow perform a secret, last minute miracle. Something else is worth adding. There is a doctrine that runs all through Church history, starting with Our Lord's own words, concerning the few who are saved. I believe a large majority of humanity will spend eternity in Hell. This doctrine is scary, yet well established. It ties in with Extra ecclesiam nulla salus, but we must also add to the list of the damned all the phony and lukewarm catholics. As baptized catholics, we must strive each day to avoid falling into this category, because nobody has a guarantee of heaven, until they leave this life.
@@chadpilled7913 Yes, the catholic Church admits the validity of the sacraments in the Eastern Orthodox churches, but that is not enough for salvation. They are in a state of schism, as they are formally separated from Rome. See this from the Council of Florence of 1442: "[The holy Roman church] firmly believes, professes, and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics AND SCHISMATICS, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Catholic Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation."
Nobody needs to be a Catholic or Protestant to be Saved... Everyone just needs Christ Jesus who is the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE... including to be part of God's True CHURCH built upon the ROCK (Christ Jesus)... On Judgment day, we will all be judged according to our WORKS... (ref. Rev. 20:12-13 / Matt. 16:27 / 2 Corin. 5:10 / 1 Corin. 3:13 / Romans 2:6-11 / 1 Peter 4:16)... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.
@@georgepierson4920 Just like other RELIGION and CHURCHES had claimed and said... Apostles John said, "TEST EVERY SPIRIT WHETHER IF THE SPIRITS ARE FROM GOD OR NOT." (ref. 1 John 4)... Apostle Paul warned us all, "DO NOT GO BEYOND/EXCEED WHAT IS WRITTEN." (ref. 1 Corin. 4:6)... Amen.
@@georgepierson4920 Why did St. Paul say, "Hold on to both the Spoken/Oral Tradition and Written (Epistles/letters) Tradition?"... (ref. 2 Thessa. 2:15)... because St. Paul knew he would not see the Final Completion of the WRITTEN TRADITION after his martyred down (beheaded) in around 64 A.D. ... The Last to be written down to complete the Written Tradition of the Word of God were the Gospel of John and the Book of Revelation between 100 to 110 A.D. after John died of old age. According to John 21:25... there were many EVENTS that Christ Jesus had done but were not written down for the whole world can not contain them... Therefore, God had summarized all the EVENTS that Christ Jesus had done and had chosen only those with GREAT IMPORTANCE to Mankind's SALVATION to be written down by Inspired MEN (not women) guided by the Holy Spirit and completed them in around 110 A.D. Other written books after the Gospel of John and the Book of Revelation around 110 A.D. onward were no longer included in the WORD OF GOD (Holy Scriptures)... such as the written Gospel of Peter, Thomas, Magdalene, Mary, Judas, Enoch, Pontius Pilate, etc... After the Written WORD of God was Finally COMPLETED in around 110 A.D., it became more AUTHORITATIVE than the Oral Tradition. (ref. 2 Timothy 3:16)... As long as the Oral Tradition does not contradict the Written Tradition, that means, God still wanted them to be practiced... However, if not, the Written Tradition must supersede, overrule, and remove that particular Oral Tradition to be practiced by True Christians... This was God's WILL (Prerogative), for if it (Oral) is still required/needed, God would allow them to be written down in the first place... logically speaking. The Oral and Written Traditions must be UNITED as ONE w/o Division/Confusion... One (United) God, One WORD (Scripture), and One (Spiritual) TRUTH... St. Paul warned all True Christians, "DO NOT GO/EXCEED WHAT IS WRITTEN," and God's CURSE for those who will DO. (ref. 1 Corin. 4:6 & Gal. 1:8)... Facts and Truth, Biblically and logically speaking... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.
@@georgepierson4920 Historians and Archeologists attested that the WRITTEN TRADITION of the WORD OF GOD was Finally Completed and distributed to the Early 7 Churches of God in Christ Jesus in Asia Minor (presently Turkey) around 110 A.D. onward ... Nothing has to be added after that... There were NO Dogmas of PURGATORY, PERPETUAL VIRGIN, IMMACULATE CONCEPTION, ROSARY, TRANSUBSTANTIATION, CO-REDEEMER/MEDIATRIX, POPES, CARDINALS, MAGISTERIUM, MOTHER OF GOD, LIMBO, SELLING INDULGENCES, ASSUMPTION/ASCENSION OF MARY, etc. starting from the Apostles in the 1st Cent. A.D. up to the 3rd Cent. A.D. Only after the Pagan Roman Empire (Constantine) converted to CATHOLICISM that these Invented New Oral/Spoken Tradition of Dogmas come out... Queen Mother HELENA (mother of Constantine) went to Israel and collected all the Christian RELICS and WRITTEN TRADITION in Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek languages and translated them all into the LATIN VULGATE in the 4th Cent. A.D. Facts and Truth of the Matters, Biblically and Historically speaking... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.
I PRAISE JESUS! Even as I’m struggling providing for my children. I will keep faith. I get harassed and called names simply for sharing my testimony and asking for prayers. But prayers are all I WANT. I fell on hard times because I was fired from my job as a social worker at Forsyth Hospital because I declined the vaccine. I was denied my medical/religious exemption. I declined because of my pre existing health condition lupus and heart disease. I wish I could go back to the hospital but unfortunately the mandate is still in place all hospitals workers must be vaccinated against covid 19 for hospitals that participate in Medicare and Medicaid. I’m waitressing AND I’m SO THANKFUL, but I’m not making nearly as much as I use too. My husband died years ago. I’m all alone, As a single mother with two autistic children things are so overwhelming on me because my boys require a lot from me. Every month is a struggle to pay bills and to put food on the table. BUT our Heavenly Father gives me courage to not give up because I want to. I’m so discouraged but even as I face homelessness almost every month and even as I get put down and mocked because of my situation and choice. I will keep faith in God! Please pray for me and my boys. God bless. Merry Christmas.
Remember while you are being persecuted for your faith St Paul says be happy. It is so difficult I know, but the graces you will receive from God will be immense. Im not going into the stupidity on the rules of the vaccine etc, but you know God loves you and will guide you through this trial in your life. Keep strong by saying rosary too. God Bless
Praying for you. Praying God will supply your needs, richly in Christ Jesus. Praying you and your children will never go hungry, or thirsty or not under your own roof. You did the right thing re. 💉. I'm praying our Lord will send people into your life, from your church, another church if need be, and amongst your community, to pray with you, and support you emotionally and practically - during this season of little. You are most likely depressed in this situation, caused by exhaustion and anxiety - do get this checked out and some help with that. As tough as it is, you have two children who love you...even though challenging - you have health - and this season, will pass, nothing stays the same. 'God will make a way, where there seems to be no way. He works in ways, we cannot see, he will make way for me. He will be my God, draw me close unto His side. With love and strength for each new day, God will make a way. God will make a Way'. Dear sister, you are experiencing, what we all need to come to realise - God is all we really have. 🙏
This sounds like such a difficult situation to navigate, my prayers are with you, mama 😢Remember that the suffering you face now will only bring you closer to God, never lose hope ☺️
Basiclly, you have to be catholic to be saved. Even if God saves you using extraordinary means(baptism of desire or blood while you are still alive) you are still incorporated to the Catholic Church having knowledge of the truths of the faith. Everyone is catholic in heaven by definition.
I think you misunderstood, the Catholic Church recognizes the validity of the baptism of other Christian Denominations that uses the trinitarian formula (i.e. "I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of teh Son, and of the Holy Spirit). What the "Church" means in the context of the sentence "outside the church there is no salvation" is the "Mystical body of Christ" or all the baptized Faithful. Basically: Church = Mystical body of Christ = All baptized Faithful. What the Phrase "Extra Ecclesiam nulla Salus" means is that if someone does not willingly believe in Christ, they will not receive Salvation. I hope this helps.
Well you a somewhat mistaken, the Catholic Church alone is the Mystical Body of Christ, anyone who is validly baptized is connected to the Catholic Church if they suffer from invincible ignorance. However the Church has made very clear that those who refuse to enter into the Catholic Church because of any other reason BUT invincible ignorance will not be saved(Cantate Domino, etc…). Simple ignorance is not enough either, because you can be ignorant of your own fault and thus be damned, especially in this time of information.
I might be dense or it might be the nature of Catholic teaching, but I hear yes/no/maybe on whether Protestants specifically can be saved. This video said a lot and was helpful to an extent but didn’t seem to clearly answer the question in a direct manner.
I desparately want to become a Catholic though, so much of its teachings I cannot submit to on account of my conscience guided by scripture. I have spent many hours in prayer, praying that God would reveal to me the truth but yet I still stand in my protestant roots because I am convinced by scripture of many of my denomination's teachings.
Read of the church fathers and the councils. Christ would not have arranged for a church weaker at the start with errors to be disputed in protest. There are many things that Protestants have thrown out in favor of scripture arranged by post-resurrection Jews rather than post-resurrection Greek-literate Christians. Keep soul searching. Remember that Israel means “one who wrestles with god” and the church militant is the new Israel. Keep wrestling internally, do not give up. My family went from atheist(me) Mormonism(wife) to Catholicism for some of the reasons above. I’ll be praying for you.
Christianity can only be understood properly by viewing both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. Sacred Tradition refers to the beliefs the early church (pre-Bible) had and onward. These were written down in the Didache, which is the first Catechism and it predates the Bible more than 200 years and was taught by the first Christians. ‘The Word of God’ is one of Christ’ titles and Sacred Tradition refers to the teachings the early Christians had. The letters and writings that the early Church put together in the 3rd century were spread across regions and nobody held them together. The original doctrines of Christ’ apostles were taught verbally. When the Bible was put together by a Church that already dubbed itself ‘Catholic’ or “Universal” it was, as writings tell us, put together so that it was in line with an Orthodox teaching that was already established by then. The Consecration of the Eucharist, confession, Formation, Apostolic Succesion, veneration of Mary,… was already practiced back then according to historical letters from that time. The Bible was put together by Christians that believed in these doctrines and they picked the books of The Bible so that there was no conflict. ‘But why is the word consecration not in the Bible?’ Well, because the Bible was never put together to be a religious handbook for believers. The Bible is not the manual of Christianity, the Cathechism is. The Didache, which is again way older than the Bible, was the first Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Christianity can only be understood properly by viewing both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. Sacred Tradition refers to the beliefs the early church (pre-Bible) had and onward. These were written down in the Didache, which is the first Catechism and it predates the Bible more than 200 years and was taught by the first Christians. ‘The Word of God’ is one of Christ’ titles and Sacred Tradition refers to the teachings the early Christians had. The letters and writings that the early Church put together in the 3rd century were spread across regions and nobody held them together. The original doctrines of Christ’ apostles were taught verbally. When the Bible was put together by a Church that already dubbed itself ‘Catholic’ or “Universal” it was, as writings tell us, put together so that it was in line with an Orthodox teaching that was already established by then. The Consecration of the Eucharist, confession, Formation, Apostolic Succesion, veneration of Mary,… was already practiced back then according to historical letters from that time. The Bible was put together by Christians that believed in these doctrines and they picked the books of The Bible so that there was no conflict. ‘But why is the word consecration not in the Bible?’ Well, because the Bible was never put together to be a religious handbook for believers. The Bible is not the manual of Christianity, the Cathechism is. The Didache, which is again way older than the Bible, was the first Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Perhaps you simply need to read another Catholic convert's story? People so easily get caught up in the culture they know that to think outside it seems impossible, they believe it impossible, and so end up never changing because do not realize this thinking. Another is remembering the Roman Catholic Church pieced together the Bible. Centuries later, Luther and his fellow heretics kick out certain books or reword verses. Also, Protestants are so named for picking which of God's teachings, dogmas, and etc. they hate and want not to follow. I believe these heresies include thinking all flesh is evil, denying one of Jesus' Natures, reincarnation, and others. Finally, every time a Protestant debated a well-informed Catholic, the latter prevails. Why? Protestant parrots a claim he was taught, then when it's answered, pivots to another. The humility to admit he's got more to learn? That's missing.
All true, I was taught in Catechism that if you die with any unconfessed mortal sin you are going to hell. How can you have any realistic chance of going to heaven if you never accepted Jesus as your savior and if you never had your sins forgiven through the blood and merits of Jesus Christ received through the sacrament of the Catholic Church, i.e. Confession, Baptism or Extreme Unction?
I`m more like the sinner next to Jesus on the cross pretty wretched and completely dependent on his grace . I haven`t done Catechism or the Sacraments or done confession or believe in Mary the way Roman Catholics do or speak Latin and yet ..............I believe Jesus died for me and has accepted me . Every knee shall bow. I find it heart breaking that one set of believers is judging another. Surely ,the ultimate in sanctimonious self righteousness ! Let`s talk about Jesus !
he died under the Old Law, remember Jesus said "i go to prepare a place for you", and he said "dont touch me for i have no yet ascended to my Father"? so Heaven wasnt opened until Jesus ascended to Heaven so he could prepare it for us
Im sorry Fr. Pine, but most other churches also openly welcome in people, because they claim to have the fullness of the body of Christ. There is nothing in your argumentation, that couldnt be applied to any denomination. I came to Christ by reading the Bible, not through any community and to me it seems like most of the churches claim to be the one true church, but none of them has a leg to stand on, when trying to justify it biblically. It also strikes me as trying to limit Gods salvation, by limiting it to certain organisations. Matt 23:13 comes to mind. I dont know if this video was meant for catholics or non-catholics, but i feel like youre preaching for the choir here. I generally enjoy your commentary. God bless you.
I am also unsure what he would say about my salvation which was realized through a regeneration of my spirit by the Holy Spirit. I practice my faith in a protestant church that is evangelical, has hierarchy, teachings, etc.
@@jessedphillips Protestantism was created in the 16th century by heretics who preached a new gospel which contradicts that which was received and handed down in the apostolic Church. They can't even agree with each other, which is why they are so extremely divided. I am sure what Fr. Pine would say is that you've probably had the beginnings of a genuine conversion and have a genuine faith in *some* of the revelation of Christ, and this is a start, but that you are in a precarious situation since you have chosen to receive the teaching of heretics rather than the Church. Salvation is not in an initial conversion experience; it's where you end up. Recall the parable of the sower. Also recall the parable of the weeds and the wheat, how they grow up together but in the end they have vastly different destinies. Please consider that each specific heresy that you choose to receive must of necessity lead you away from truth because each one offers you a false conclusion (even if it is seemingly drawn from true premises). And likewise, each truth that you deny which is taught by the Church was meant specifically to enlighten your mind and facilitate your salvation, so in denying these truths you make things harder on yourself and make the path of salvation harder to see and to follow.
"There is nothing in your argumentation, that couldnt be applied to any denomination." That's absurdly false. The Church is not a 'denomination'. It is the one Church founded by Jesus Christ which has persisted through all of history. Protestantism arose in the 16th century and denies the ancient Faith, and they have a zillion 'denominations' precisely because they are not the one Church of Christ but the innumerable false 'churches' of heretics. "I came to Christ by reading the Bible, not through any community" Not true, or even possible. Did you baptize yourself, codify the canon of Scripture by yourself, determine doctrine infallibly by yourself?
@@MillionthUsername Your argument starts and stops with the sentence "We are the one true church founded by Jesus Christ". Well, so many other churches claim the same. What argument does the Roman Catholic Church have, that sets them apart? No argument presented in the video does. And are you saying that its impossible to come to Christ, through reading the Bible? Thats very ironic, you know.
@@JezielProdigalSon Apostolic succession. Only the Orthodox and Catholic Church can entertain this thought I would presume. It is possible to understand the person of Christ through reading the Bible, now is this enough ? NO. The grace of Christ is always calling us to do more and be more wholly united to him. It is but one of many steps an individual take as he/she is more united to Christ. It manifests in Baptism and living a life that bears good fruit. The Catholic Church has sacraments which are sources of grace with biblical foundations. This is not some arbitrary ritual but a vehicle for grace for the salvation of souls.
Put simply, in order to be saved, you must be in a state of grace at your death. You ordinarily get into that state by: believing, repenting, and getting baptized (when you first convert); then if you sin mortally: believe again, repent again, and confess. All of this is from the moving of the grace of God and is only possible because of Jesus. It is the Catholic Church’s mission to facilitate this on earth in a visible way with the sacraments (visible signs of invisible grace). No church, no sacraments, no salvation. I imagine the Church is like Noah’s Ark, something ordained by God and built upon a man to survive the watery chaos of the world. The Church is the body of Christ, and Jesus is the head. You cannot separate the head from the body. The baptized are members of the body like passengers on the Ark, or like the branches grafted onto the vine. Jesus came first and foremost to redeem human nature, not necessarily you as a private individual. Jesus will raise the church, and you being in the church would be raised. On the Catholic paradigm, Catholicism is the fullness of divinely revealed truth, and it’s dangerous to remain in a state where any amount of lies are present. It’s dangerous such that it’s easier to be led astray, however it’s not impossible to know the truth that has been revealed to you and act in accord with it. If the truth is found in Catholicism, to follow the truth, even if you’re not an explicit member, would make you an implicit member of the Catholic Church, grafted onto the body of Christ. If a truth has been revealed to you and you reject it, this is to reject the Catholic Church, and to reject the Church is to reject the Head, thus there is condemnation. With all this said, I think it’s appropriate to say, yes, you do have to be Catholic to be saved.
@@killianmiller6107 Thank you so much! Im a Catholic I'm 73 years old and I've had this discussion with priests and they believe that you don't have to be a Catholic to be saved. We can go on and on. I bought the Catechism of Trent. That Catechism came before the modernists and their changing things. Thank you again and from this day forward you are in my prayers. Thank you!
I think my point is that yes, you do have to be Catholic to be saved, but it’s also possible to be implicitly Catholic even though it’s not outwardly evident. You may need to ask what the priest means when he says “you don’t have to be Catholic,” because I think it’s true that someone who is outwardly a Protestant, Muslim, or atheist etc could genuinely be following the rays of truth that have been revealed to them (through conscience for instance), and God is merciful upon those who didn’t know him through no fault of their own. Thus it’s proper to say non Catholics can be saved, but only by virtue of an implicit membership, and probably with lots of purgation. I think of Luke 12 where the servant who didn’t know his master’s will is beaten lightly, but not thrown out. This doesn’t mean we should leave people where they are, because it is much more dangerous to live outside the church, ignorant or not.
Why did St. Paul say, "Hold on to both the Spoken/Oral Tradition and Written (Epistles/letters) Tradition?"... (ref. 2 Thessa. 2:15)... because St. Paul knew he would not see the Final Completion of the WRITTEN TRADITION after his martyred down (beheaded) in around 64 A.D. ... The Last to be written down to complete the Written Tradition of the Word of God were the Gospel of John and the Book of Revelation between 100 to 110 A.D. after John died of old age. According to John 21:25... there were many EVENTS that Christ Jesus had done but were not written down for the whole world can not contain them... Therefore, God had summarized all the EVENTS that Christ Jesus had done and had chosen only those with GREAT IMPORTANCE to Mankind's SALVATION to be written down by Inspired MEN (not women) guided by the Holy Spirit and completed them in around 110 A.D. Other written books after the Gospel of John and the Book of Revelation around 110 A.D. onward were no longer included in the WORD OF GOD (Holy Scriptures)... such as the written Gospel of Peter, Thomas, Magdalene, Mary, Judas, Enoch, Pontius Pilate, etc... After the Written WORD of God was Finally COMPLETED in around 110 A.D., it became more AUTHORITATIVE than the Oral Tradition. (ref. 2 Timothy 3:16)... As long as the Oral Tradition does not contradict the Written Tradition, that means, God still wanted them to be practiced... However, if not, the Written Tradition must supersede, overrule, and remove that particular Oral Tradition to be practiced by True Christians... This was God's WILL (Prerogative), for if it (Oral) is still required/needed, God would allow them to be written down in the first place... logically speaking. The Oral and Written Traditions must be UNITED as ONE w/o Division/Confusion... One (United) God, One WORD (Scripture), and One (Spiritual) TRUTH... St. Paul warned all True Christians, "DO NOT GO/EXCEED WHAT IS WRITTEN," and God's CURSE for those who will DO. (ref. 1 Corin. 4:6 & Gal. 1:8)... Facts and Truth, Biblically and logically speaking... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.
Regarding Salvation Let the WORD speak: Yahushua/Jesus said to him “I am the way, the truth and the life NO ONE comes to the Father except THROUGH ME” John 14:6 “This is the stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone. Nor is THERE SALVATION IN ANY OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:11-12 “For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also wait for the SAVIOUR Master Yahushua HaMachiach / Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to himself.” Philippians 3:20-21 “And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise Him up at the last day” John 6:40 Salvation is through the precious blood shed blood and finished work of Yahushua/Jesus our Master, Saviour and Redeemer. King of Kings and Lord of Lords. All glory and honour belongs to Him and Him alone.
The problem is that people outside the Church will receive the teaching of heretics but not of Christ and His Church. So that puts the lie to such people claiming that Jesus is their lord.
You didn't really answer the prompt, instead you just provided a basic rundown of catholic soteriology, post Vatican 2. If the bounds of the invisible church are, as you say, unclear, then by definition so are those of the visible body
But what if an athiest shows more charity and love for others than a believer...isn't he closer to God than the believer? Remember the parable of the sheep and goats.
I think that means the atheist is closer to a truer believer in works than other so-called believers or struggling believers, not closer to God. Ultimately, there's nothing compelling an atheist to do so. They can be charitable or be selfish. Neither are right or wrong. Where faith differentiates these things is believing that goodness exists, that truth is more than concept but something quite tangible. When that faith is part of your life, then it connects you to that good, meaning it's harder to give up on charitable (or other virtues) say when challenges arrive. That's not to say believers don't have days of doubt or challenge, but that root faith connection to God can provide a steadier foundation in one's day to day lives, and that's before considering the broken bonds of sin and salvation from death by the accomplishment of Jesus Christ.
@@starfire451 If tax collectors and prostitutes can be closer to the kingdom of God than the Pharisees and Sadducees, why can't some athiests be closer to that kingdom than some who claim to be Catholic?
Yes we need a personal relationship with God. But does this give us licence to do what ever we desire ? Does not God direct our hearts and efforts to give him praise in a way that is most beneficial for us?
I have heard Catholic priests say no one outside the Catholic church is saved. I have heard Orthodox priests say no one outside the Orthodox church is saved including Roman Catholics. I have heard Protestant pastors say they are saved and all Catholics Roman and Orthodox are not. The Bible warns against judging, that is saying who will be saved and who will not. I think anyone who repents, has faith in Christ, and does his will can be saved. I would not say someone is not saved simply by the church they belong to.
You have no idea what you are talking about 1 Corinthians 6 1Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to be judged before the unjust, and not before the saints? 2 Know you not that the saints shall judge this world? And if the world shall be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Know you not that we shall judge angels? how much more things of this world? 4 If therefore you have judgments of things pertaining to this world, set them to judge, who are the most despised in the church. 5 I speak to your shame. Is it so that there is not among you any one wise man, that is able to judge between his brethren? The saints will judge the World and the Angels, if you are not judging them you have no Justice in you. and clearly not a saint.
Christ did say a bit more than that though - Mark 16:16 says we need to be baptised. Luke 13.3 says we have to repent and John 6:54 says we have to partake of the Eucharist and believe it is Christ's body and blood. All of these are administered in the Roman Catholic Church, via validly ordained priests but only the latter is truly believed by Catholics (by Orthodox too, but no one else).
the Catholic Church alone is the Mystical Body of Christ, anyone who is validly baptized is connected to the Catholic Church if they suffer from invincible ignorance. However the Church has made very clear that those who refuse to enter into the Catholic Church because of any other reason BUT invincible ignorance will not be saved(Cantate Domino, etc…). Simple ignorance is not enough either, because you can be ignorant of your own fault and thus be damned, especially in this time of information.
@christsavesreadromans1096 Quanto Conficiamur Moerore On Promotion of False Doctrines Pope BI. Pius IX - 1863 7. Here, too, our beloved sons and venerable brothers, it is again necessary to mention and censure a very grave error entrapping some Catholics who believe that it is possible to arrive at eternal salvation although living in error and alienated from the true faith and Catholic unity. Such belief is certainly opposed to Catholic teaching. There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace. Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments. 8. Also well known is the Catholic teaching that no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church. Eternal salvation cannot be obtained by those who oppose the authority and statements of the same Church and are stubbornly separated from the unity of the Church and also from the successor of Peter, the Roman Pontiff, to whom “the custody of the vineyard has been committed by the Savior.”[4] The words of Christ are clear enough: “If he refuses to listen even to the Church, let him be to you a Gentile and a tax collector;”[5] “He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me;”[6] “He who does not believe will be condemned;”[7] “He who does not believe is already condemned;”[8] “He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.”[9] The Apostle Paul says that such persons are “perverted and self-condemned;”[10] the Prince of the Apostles calls them “false teachers . . . who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master. . . bringing upon themselves swift destruction.”[11] invincible ignorance only applies to those who are baptized, what u think is invincible ignorance is Pelagianism. so no ur version of invincible ignorance is not de fide Decrees of the First Vatican Council Council Fathers - 1868 A.D. I profess also that there are seven sacraments of the new law, truly and properly so called, instituted by our lord Jesus Christ and necessary for salvation, though each person need not receive them all.
@christsavesreadromans1096COUNCIL OF TRENT 3. If any one asserts, that this sin of Adam,-which in its origin is one, and being transfused into all by propogation, not by imitation, is in each one as his own, -is taken away either by the powers of human nature, or by any other remedy than the merit of the one mediator, our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath reconciled us to God in his own blood, made unto us justice, santification, and redemption; or if he denies that the said merit of Jesus Christ is applied, both to adults and to infants, by the sacrament of baptism rightly administered in the form of the church; let him be anathema: For there is no other name under heaven given to men, whereby we must be [Page 23] saved. Whence that voice; Behold the lamb of God behold him who taketh away the sins of the world; and that other; As many as have been baptized, have put on Christ. 4. If any one denies, that infants, newly born from their mothers’ wombs, even though they be sprung from baptized parents, are to be baptized; or says that they are baptized indeed for the remission of sins, but that they derive nothing of original sin from Adam, which has need of being expiated by the laver of regeneration for the obtaining life everlasting,-whence it follows as a consequence, that in them the form of baptism, for the remission of sins, is understood to be not true, but false, -let him be anathema. For that which the apostle has said, By one man sin entered into the world, and by sin death, and so death passed upon all men in whom all have sinned, is not to be understood otherwise than as the Catholic Church spread everywhere hath always understood it. For, by reason of this rule of faith, from a tradition of the apostles, even infants, who could not as yet commit any sin of themselves, are for this cause truly baptized for the remission of sins, that in them that may be cleansed away by regeneration, which they have contracted by generation. For, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 5. If any one denies, that, by the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is conferred in baptism, the guilt of original sin is remitted; or even asserts that the whole of that which has the true and proper nature of sin is not taken away; but says that it is only rased, or not imputed; let him be anathema. For, in those who are born again, there is nothing that God hates; because, There is no condemnation to those who are truly buried together with Christ by baptism into death; who walk not according to the flesh, but, putting off the old man, and putting on the new who is created according to God, are made inno-[Page 24]cent, immaculate, pure, harmless, and beloved of God, heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ; so that there is nothing whatever to retard their entrance into heaven. But this holy synod confesses and is sensible, that in the baptized there remains concupiscence, or an incentive (to sin); which, whereas it is left for our exercise, cannot injure those who consent not, but resist manfully by the grace of Jesus Christ; yea, he who shall have striven lawfully shall be crowned. This concupiscence, which the apostle sometimes calls sin, the holy Synod declares that the Catholic Church has never understood it to be called sin, as being truly and properly sin in those born again, but because it is of sin, and inclines to sin. CANON IX.-If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema.
@@JezielProdigalSon Thanks for your comment. They actually scared me. I only wish to be faithful to God in the first place. And sometimes it is hard to know what God wants.
POPE BENEDICT XVI: “Members of the Church should not feel jealousy, but should rejoice if someone from outside the community does good in the name of Christ...” The pope quoted St. Augustine, 4-5th century saint: “Just as one can find that which is not Catholic in the Catholic Church, one can also find something that may be Catholic outside of the Catholic Church.” This, the Pope said, is what Jesus wishes to explain to his disciples, that “good and even miraculous things” can happen outside their circle when others “cooperate with the Kingdom of God” even in small gestures such as “offering a simple glass of water to a missionary.” POPE BENEDICT XVI: “The tendency toward jealousy can exist within the Church when Catholics resent holiness and goodness being attained by non-Catholics. Instead we should all be able to always appreciate and respect each other, praising the Lord when he acts in the Church and in the world.”
What a clear and acceptable statement of what BELIEF is all about- those who believe anything will believe anything. And all faiths/creeds/religions flow therefrom. And good luck with that!!! Have a good day. Have a good eternity.
I'm Catholic and believe that it is the church of Jesus. But nowhere in the Bible does it say you need to be Catholic to be saved. The way to the Father is through Jesus. As long as you accept Jesus Christ as the Lord and Savior and repent from your sins. It doesn't matter what Christian denomination you are, you will be saved. Saying you need to be Catholic to be saved is like saying Jesus' sacrifice wasn't enough to pay the price of sin and that's just not true. All you need to do is accept Jesus and repent. Nothing else will save you.
Praise God that you believe the Catholic church was founded by Jesus. It is very biblical to believe that salvation comes from Christ through the church. Take Jesus giving the keys to Peter, the first Pope. Jesus is not establishing multiple Christian religions, but THE Christian religion that began with Peter and the apostles. The second example I give is Luke 18:8. Jesus asks when He comes again will he find faith on earth. Not “faiths” but faith. There is but one faith. Even if you are a baptist you are free to believe a multitude of things via your own biblical interpretation. That means everyone has multiple faiths, but not the one true Faith which only that Catholic Church has. This to me was a good starting point to figure out the Church has the fullness of salvation.
Jesus said to his disciples "He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me." So yes you need to have faith in Jesus, yes you need to have his sacrifice applied to you through baptism, but also you need to hear and accept the gospel, as given by the apostles. They passed down doctrine, they gave us the basic form of the liturgy and the seasons of the Christian calander ect. "Go ye therefore baptizing all nations... he who believes and is baptized will be saved, he who believes not will be damned" Do you believe the Gospel that the apostles preached and handed down?
@@Wgaither1 it's not a matter of knowing every single line of dogma and teaching, it's about not rejecting the faith that was handed down. Babies or severely retarded people do not need positive knowledge of Jesus or the gospel, faith is still given by baptism. No one can however reject the faith that was handed down. We call this dogma or doctrine. Such as the doctrine that Jesus was not just a man but was the incarnet son of God. We can have disagreements about some things, like the exact nature of angels or something. But some things are matters of faith, which if you reject you reject the faith and we are given these doctrines from the apostles. They've been handed down unchanged from the beginning.
If I weren't Catholic, I'd look for the Church that the world despises, for the world despised Jesus, and he would be there. - Fulton Sheen Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me.". Things seemed to be going pretty well. That is until Jesus said “For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood,dwelleth in me, and I in him.” This was too much for many of his disciples and “From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.” Jesus turns to the 12 and asks, “Will ye also go away? Vs 61, Jesus did not back down, for He said, "Does this offend you?" it offends protestants. They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. Jn 20:21, "As the Father has sent Me, I also send you." Jn 17:18, "Even as thou hast sent Me into the world, so I have sent them into the world." Jn 17:22-23, "And the glory that thou hast given Me, I have given to Matt. 28, 18-20: And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye, therefore. and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Jesus says to the crowd, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved." But in reference to the same people, Jesus immediately follows with "He who does not believe will be condemned." This demonstrates that one can be baptized and still not be a believer. This disproves the Protestant argument that one must be a believer to be baptized. There is nothing in the Bible about a "believer's baptism." "Accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior," or "Ask Jesus into your heart" isn't the biblical answer. It’s important to be saved from hell, damnation, and the stain of original sin, but what are we saved for? We are saved for union with Christ. Our salvation began when we were born again through baptism and God’s own Divine Life was restored in our souls, making us like Adam and Eve were in the Garden before the Original (first) Sin. As we go through life, we are united with Christ through the Sacraments he left as gifts for us, especially through Penance (forgiveness of our sins committed since Baptism) and the Eucharist (partaking of God’s own Life, His own Divine Nature, 2 Peter 1:4) - until that day when we are truly united with Him in heaven. Scripture teaches that one’s final salvation depends on the state of the soul at death. As Jesus himself tells us, "He who endures to the end will be saved" (Matt. 24:13; cf. 25:31-46). One who dies in the state of friendship with God (the state of grace) will go to heaven. The one who dies in a state of rebellion against God (the state of mortal sin) will go to hell. (For the teaching on venial (non-deadly) and mortal (deadly) sins, see 1 John 5:16-17) What I must do to be saved: *I must be baptized with water and the Spirit. Mark 16:16, John 3:3-5, Titus 3:5, I Peter 3:20-21. (Exceptions: [1] If I desire Baptism but die before I can be baptized with water and the Spirit, God accepts my desire to be baptized, and [2] If I am killed (martyred) because of my faith, but I have not had the opportunity to be baptized, God accepts my death as my baptism, called the Baptism of Blood). * I must do the will of God the Father. Matthew 7:21 * I must keep the Commandments of God. Matthew 5:19-20, Matthew 7:21, Matthew 19:17, 1 Timothy 6:14, and others.
* I must accept the Cross (suffering). Matthew 10:38, Matthew 16:24-25, Mark 8:34, Luke 9:23, Luke 14:27. Phil 1:29, and others. * I must be a member of God's true church. Acts 2:46-47. * I must confess my sins. James 5:16, I John 1:9, John 20:19-23 * I must heed the words of St. Peter, the first Pope. Acts 11:13-14, Acts 15:7. * I must eat the flesh and drink the blood of Jesus Christ. John 6:51-58, I Corinthians 10:16-17, 11:23-30. * I must do unto others as I would have them do unto me and love my neighbor as myself. I must feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, clothe the naked, visit the sick and those in prison or give other aid to those in need. Luke 10:33 ff, Mt 25:31-46. "Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are very pleasing to God" Hebrews 13:16. Good works don’t save us, but we will be judged by them. *I must strive to be holy. "Strive for peace with everyone and for that holiness without which no one will see the Lord." Hebrews 12:14 *I must endure (persevere) to the end. Matthew 10:22, Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13. And ... ? What else must I do? Catechism #432 The name "Jesus" signifies that the very name of God is present in the person of his Son, made man for the universal and definitive redemption from sins. It is the divine name that alone brings salvation, and henceforth all can invoke his name, for Jesus united himself to all men through his Incarnation, so that "there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."😜😜
Do I understand correctly that no marriage consecrated outside of the Roman Catholic Church is valid ? Does it follow that my parents, wrongly believing themselves to have been united as husband and wife by the United Methodist Church, now both in their 90s, have lived in sin and fornication for sixty years and all of their children are illegitimate ?
Fr Pine. I do enjoy and learn from your presentations. So thank you. I think it would be marvellous if you could refute the claim of universalists, including David Bentley Hart, that 'all will be saved'. By saying 'will' these people go much further than the Catholic Balthasar did. The universalists are surely right in saying that, because we humans only live for a finite time, our sins can only be finite in number, severity and effect, and so an eternal, ie, infinite damnation, cannot be a just punishment. Justice, in human and humanly rational terms, has to involve proportion. That is, punishment has to be proportional to the number and gravity of sins committed. And as Hart points out, it is hard to imagine that a person doing something grievously sinful does it willingly and in full knowledge that it will condemn him forever. Such a person is acting and 'saying' that good is evil. And this is obviously wrong/irrational. Isn't such a person crazy? And crazy people, when they do crazily sinful things, are not acting sinfully because they lack adequate awareness and consent. So it seems to be that the universalist position is arguable. How say you?? If you can answer this one I will send you a wonderful bottle of shiraz:)
I have sympathy with universalism, namely in that at its best it desires to be a merciful position. God is merciful, and therefore there is something emotionally compelling about the idea all might be saved. However, no one could dogmatically say that it is certain all men will be saved - nor that certainly only few will be saved. Opinion is far too divided on that point in the Tradition. Both sides have many quotes in their favors. Moreover, there is only one factor about which there is true uncertainty regarding any man's salvation, and that is his own will. But it is such a crucial factor that certitude depends partly on knowing the will of every man, and only God knows this for sure. Even the individual, while he may know his will better than anyone other than God, still has factors outside of himself, such that he cannot be 100% sure of his disposition to God. So the salvation of any man, and therefore of all men, really does rest foremost in 2 things: 1) with the Mercy of God, which is certain, and 2) with man's will to receive Divine Mercy. The second point is the one Christ always stresses as of infinite importance to us. And that's my takeaway, no doctrine one way nor the other.
@@HolyKhaaaaan That's interesting Holy Khan, thank you. In his book, Hart gets pretty close to the Socratic position I think: that virtue=knowledge. So any wrongful, we would say sinful, act, is due to lack of knowledge/understanding. DBH seems to think that there is something wrong with our minds when we choose to sin. He does not go as far as saying that this means that we do not sin because we cannot sin, but he does say that an ultimate choice for evil over good cannot be rational. As the title of his book suggests, DBH takes the position that all souls will be saved. Of course, practically all souls must endure more or less time in purgatory (or hell) before salvation. DBH is a serious intellect, and both in the book 'That all shall be saved' and in his NT translation, including the notes, he mounts a pretty strong defence of the universalist position. It's not just a case of which bits of holy scripture one selects for emphasis, but looking, as Hart does, at the etymology of key terms in the selections that each side relies upon.
@Christopher Coney: very well argued. I shall be very surprised if your queries will be satisfactorily answered in such a way that will require you to hand over the bottle of shiraz any time soon.
As a Protestant I have had several sedevacantists or rad trad types say I am not saved. I point to Vatican 2 teaching "separated brethren", recognized baptism if done in proper Trinitarian formula etc. and they say this is modernist teaching and or Vatican 2 is just pastoral or something (not theologically binding).
Sedevacantists and some rad trads do not recognize the validity of Vatican II. So quoting the council documents will get you nowhere. Also keep in mind that some rad trads and sedevacantists are feenyites. Who deny the baptism of desire , which is heretical.
Adam I thinks Vatican two said In ways only known to God He gives ALL MEN THE GRACE TO BE SAVED ALSO HERE IS THE BIG ONE THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT THE GREAT RESTORATION GOD SAYS AT THE END OF TIME I WILL DRAW ALL THINGS BACK TO MYSELF. JESUS DIDN'T FAIL ON THE CROSS HIS FINAL WORDS MEANT PAID IN FULL I HEARD A CATHOLIC PRIEST SAY THAT ONE GOOD FRIDAY BLESS YOU 🏴🙏
You have a duty seek and accept the truth. Once you open to the truth, the natural conclusion will lead you into Christ's visible Church. You do not have invincible ignorance.
I have already studied and sought whether Roman Catholicism is "the truth " and after 11 years of diligent study my conscience, intellect, prayer etc. All still tells me exclusive Roman Catholic claims i.e the papacy, infallibility and RC as "the one true church with the fullness of the truth and faith" is false. The trick in the official Catholic language is that it says paraphrase anyone "knowing" that the Catholic Church is "the one true church" and refuses to enter in. Obviously the truthfullness of the claims is the very thing in question so a Non Catholic Christian Obviously wouldn't "know" because they don't believe those things to be true...your reference to "invincibly ignorant" is something different altogether not particularly relevant to what I'm discussing.
The idea among catholics that protestants can be saved is not unique to the Vatican II period despite gaining popularity after Vatican II. I had a religion book in high school published in the 1920's that said Protestants can be saved on account of what they do believe in catholic teaching.
“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)
I’m encouraged to hear an actual Catholic teach historic Catholicism. And I equally thankfully that I am not a Catholic. Faith through grace in Christ alone for the glory of God alone.
“All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.” 2 Timothy 3:16-17 NASB1995 I’ll stick to what God says
You need a lesson in logic. If you reject the Faith of the apostolic Church, and cling to a newly invented 'faith' which blatantly contradicts the historic Faith, how can this other 'faith' save you as it would be false by definition?
@@CCiPencil Except that you don't accept reproof or correction or training in righteousness, do you? You have no doubt made some heretic, or some group of heretics, or your own self the standard of orthodoxy, and nowhere does it say "in the Bible" that you can do this. The Bible says that Jesus established the one Church to teach the one Faith to all nations. The Bible does not say to "read the Bible" and come up with your own interpretations which contradict Christ's Church, does it? It says that the Church is the "pillar and bulwark of truth," not you, not Martin Luther, not Pastor Billy Bob, not some idiotic anti-Catholic website, etc.
@@MillionthUsername I don’t fear your words or your teachings cause I have the Holy Spirit in dwelling within me. He enables me to understand the simple and clear teachings found within His words. His word also teaches that the Church isn’t just a physical institution but a spiritual one made up of all believers. The Church is the body of Christ, not some legalistic, pharisaical man made institution. Repent of your your “church’s” false teachings and follow Christ not some “vicar”.
Perhaps Father Pine could comment on the possibilities, or lack thereof, for infants who die unbaptized. It appears that the Council of Florence consigns them to damnation: "The souls of those who depart this life in actual mortal sin, or in original sin alone, go down straightaway to hell to be punished, but with unequal pains."
There's Limbo. It's a place that certain mystics have seen where children kind of go in waiting. There has to be as I understand a type of baptism that occurs, but yes. They go home.
Can 2 on baptism council of trent: "if anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and therefore reduces to some sort of metaphor the words of our lord Jesus Christ: "unless one is reborn of water and the spirit" let him be anathema "If anyone holds that some are able to come to the grace of baptism through God's mercy, but others through their own free will, one shows that one has departed from the correct faith. For one does not acknowledge that free will is corrupted in such a way that one cannot attain salvation on his own, without divine revelation" can 8 on grace second council of orange (from st augustine) "In any necessity whatsoever (baptism) so that it not redound the loss of our soul if, after those who desire it are denied the font of salvation, when he departs this world, loses both his life and the kingdom of heaven." Pope Siricus "She firmly believes, professes and preaches that "none of those who are outside the catholic church, not only pagans(muslims)" but also Jews, heretics, and schismatics (orthodox) can become sharers of eternal life, but they will go into eternal fire "that was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before the end of their life they are joined to her. And the unity of the church is of such great importance that the churches sacraments are beneficial toward salvation only for those who remain within her, and only for them do fasts, almsgiving and other acts of piety and exercises of Christian discipline bring forth eternal rewards. "No one can be saved, no matter how many alms he has given, and even if he sheds his blood for the name of christ unless he remains in the bosom and unity of the catholic church" council of Florence dogmatic bull cantata domino.
friend they think that the water portion is only related to water baptism, this one for Sacraments is better. Trent Sacraments If any one saith, that by the said sacraments of the New Law grace is not conferred through the act performed, but that faith alone in the divine promise suffices for the obtaining of grace; let him be anathema.
I am always shocked that no one really goes to the dogmatic teaching on this subject found in the Council of Florance where it is decreed that even if one sheds their blood outside the Church they will not be saved. One must be a part of the Church as the Council dogmatically declares.
The teaching isn't wrong, anyone who dies in a state of grace is dying in the Church. In the gospels we see this with the thief on the cross, who at the last hour was incorporated into the family and redeemed.
Around 9:30 he said that we need “faith but a living faith (charity)” he then describes charity (its seems) as a distinct and higher form of grace over and above faith. My understanding is that all three of the theological virtues (faith and charity being discussed here) are equal forms of condescending grace. Am I understanding this correctly (from the Catholic perspective)? Are they equal in power and substance?
So long as the east and west remain split, there is no basis for the argument that one must be Roman Catholic to be saved. The eastern church has just as valid, if not more compelling claim to be "the one true church" as the west. May we all pray for the reunion of the full body of Christ, at which point there will be no excuse for remaining outside the visible body of Christ.
Schism is sin. The patriarchs of the eastern church persist in schism. Without the pope, they’ve become licentious and each contradict each other in teachings.
Rev 21:12 - And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: Something to consider - none of the 12 gates above are named after any Christian denomination of which there are approximately some 45,000 or any world religion. Our citizenship is in Heaven (Phil. 3:20) and our identity is in Christ not in a denomination. Galatians 3:28 “There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.”
I think W. C. Fields would've liked this. A noted atheist, friends were surprised to discover Fields on his deathbed searching through the Bible. He explained: “I'm looking for a loophole.”
Salvation comes through Jesus Christ alone. The "narrow gate" is Jesus Christ; not the pope, not a certain priest, not a specific church denomonation. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life!
See point 1 only God saves..but mediums of salvation are important too. God could save only football players if he wanted to. That doesn't mean football is the primary means of salvation its secondary. In a similar way God chooses to save those that accept him and his teachings (the church). Reject the church and there is no salvation.
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus has since been reformulated during Vat 2 to mean “all salvation is by Christ the head through the Church which is his body.” We take the doctrine out of its historical context. Jesus came first and foremost to redeem human nature itself (Romans 5:18), not necessarily you as a private individual, and you are grafted onto a redeemed nature by joining the church through baptism, dying and being born again, becoming part of the Body of Christ, whether explicitly or implicitly. Being a part of the church is necessary because it is the way God chose to communicate his grace to the world, for instance seen in the great commission given to the apostles. The church is often compared with the Ark in the flood, nothing survived in the watery chaos of the world outside this Ark, which was ordained by God and build upon a man.
@Killian Miller yes I agree. All of those who are true believers in Christ and have been born again in His Holy Spirit ARE the body of Christ. We ARE the church. Catholic, protestant, non-denominational, etc are all branches from the same vine. Jesus Christ is the vine. We are all connected and we are all part of the body of Christ (those who are Christians anyways). The church needs unity in Christ. Let us not focus on those small places we disagree, and instead come together as brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus.
Indeed, I’d just propose that we come together under the Roman Pontiff, being united to the church called “Catholic,” meaning “according to the whole.” I think whatever unity we may have as Christians of various denominations is somewhat superfluous and kind of syncretistic without some governing authority that has the power to actually settle the truth on faith and morals per Matthew 18:17. If two baptized Christians can’t agree on the nature of the church, whether a Protestant or a Catholic ecclesiology, who is right, what did Jesus intend? I don’t think the church is a merely invisible reality, it is also necessarily visible. We humans are both body and soul, and so it’s fitting that the kingdom of God on earth and our communion with it ought to be “body and soul” too, since Jesus came to redeem us completely.
TL;DR Yes, as is the will of the one, true only God: the Father Who willed it, the Son Who instituted it, and The Holy Ghost Who guides His one, only true Church.
the Root word for Catholic is in the Bible in the original Greek, because the word Catholic is Greek for Universal, but your too ignorant to even understand the meaning, and its significance.
@@sleepystar1638 While the word Catholic has an original root definition, the modern use of the word Catholic has the connotation of the Roman church that cannot be separated. If you were more honest you wouldn't have to attack me in your defense.
The mystical body of Christ is his Church and his Church is the Catholic Church. There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism, which means there there is one Church
@@MZONE991 technically, Christ saves individuals, whosoever beliefs in Him, and the saved makes up the body. Christ doesn't save the body, the body is already saved. Yes, is is the saviour of the body, in the perfect tense. For non-believers, the church is not the solution, but Christ in Scripture and faith through the Holy Spirit. Then, the believer is joined into, becomes a member of the body. Precise theology is important.
No, you have to be Christian. And confess out loud to Jesus that you believe he is the son of God. I did that 32 years ago, crying my soul out. The following morning I saw him pointing at me in the sky. Gigantic! I knew I was saved. He has been with me all the way. It having been easy! Cancer, lost my career as an engineer, money problems, family discord, parent death, cheating. To mention a few
What do you think about Native Americans before Columbus brought Christianity to this continent? We’re they all damned because they never confessed Christ is the Lord and the son of God?
NAEMI, praise God! Thanks for sharing this testimony. I love hearing remarkable testimony from folks. I was an alcoholic and I cried out to the Lord Jesus Christ and He delivered me, healed me saved me from sure death. Sober for years now by God's grace, He literally took the desire from me.
@@illyrian9976 there is nothing in Scripture or even in 1st century that proves this oft repeated claim by Roman Catholics that Jesus created or intended this Roman Catholic Church" to be the "one true church" that he founded.
@@Adam-ue2ig Then where is the church that St. Paul talks about? Where are the succesors of the apostles? For sure not in protestantism, that for one is certain.
The One Holy, and Apostolic Catholic Church. That which is holy cannot be made unholy, no matter who is in charge of the earthly house,God controls the Ghost. St. John the Beloved, pray for us.
I will say Unam Sanctum and "it is absolutely necessary for salvation for every creature to be subject to the Roman pontiff " which seems to meet the infallible pronouncement criteria and language we define declare pronounce is not reconcilabe to Vatican 2 language and attempts to reconcile strike me as mental gymnastics and anachronistically redefining/interpreting history to smooth over the edges.
I agree. Michael Lofton' attempts in Reason & Theology were unpersuasive, as it embraced faulty hermeneutical principals, and ahistorical rewriting of the author's intended message.
Those sede or rad trad types that reject the "modernist vatican 2 teaching" then have ironically become the Protestants within their own church while simultaneously trying to essentially condem Protestants. Not a good look.
@@Adam-ue2ig I haven't read the Vatican II documents in detail to know how much of the teachings are considered infallible versus simply authoritative, but as a fellow protestant I would more or less agree with you. I believe the only path forward to church unity is for the pope/magisterium to recognize their fallibility on matters of doctrine. They can do so without disclaiming what they believe to be their rightful seat of leadership within the church, as the seat of Peter.
Post Vatican Two modernist nonsense! Never once did you mention the DOGMA -- defined three times! -- that outside the church there is no salvation! Never once! Merry Christmas...
@@christopherconey732 Nope, he never said it was a DOGMA. That is what sets opinion from something that is defined and required to be believed by all Catholics.
@@jonathandavid3480 Do you deny Vat 1, a dogmatic council? Or how about Trent, another dogmatic council? Was Vat 2 dogmatic? No. Even the conciliar popes indicated that... Merry Christmas!
God Forgives and Loves EveryOne! Jesus Taught..Lived and Died to teach us the principle of Forgiveness..the Highest form of Love. When You Forgive you are Saved and Freed and it is the quickest Way to Peace! 😇 That is why Jesus Said..on the Cross “Father..Forgive them..for they know not what they do.” We ALL don’t know what we do..to one degree or another. Forgiveness is the Only Solution! 😊
@@EmberBright2077 I know Christians think only they will be Saved..but God Will Save whoever He Chooses! God is God and we are Not! I prefer to believe everyone is Loved and Forgiven.
@@kathleenwharton2139 Except for Jesus explicitly saying that he alone is the way, and the stated importance of the great commission, and Jesus explaining how the way to the kingdom of heaven is a narrow gate, and Jesus explaining in great detail the kinds of people that will be cast into hell. God is God, but he can't actually choose arbitrarily. That would be breaking his own laws and thus a flaw in his holiness.
@@EmberBright2077 you Need to read your Bible again and this time read about Jesus. He Healed..Loved and Forgave EveryOne and He tells us to Do the Same. He Loved Samaritans (Isrealites most hated enemies)..centurions servant..Roman soldiers..prostitutes..lepers..etc. he Came to Save Sinners from the self-righteous (that would be you). Christians are the New Pharisees. We are All Sinners Saved by Gods Grace. Hell is for those that believe in it! Judge Not..that you not be judged.
@@kathleenwharton2139 I fail to see how the examples you provide are in contradiction with mine. Jesus did all those things, and also called people to repent, and warned them very firmly about hell. Also, Jesus did not come to save sinners from the self righteous (I also don't know why you're calling me that), he came to save them from their sin. Also if hell is for those who believe in it, then not only does that contradict the idea that no one is going to hell, but it also implies that all atheists are saved and almost all Christians are condemned. That's a little bit strange. As for the often misunderstood "judge not lest ye be judged", I don't know why you're bringing that up since judgement has nothing to do with the conversation, but not only is this quote contextualised by explaining the actual problem (hypocritical judgement), it is also a quote by the same man who commanded us to judge with righteous judgement, and it is also the same man who judged people all the time, and has stated that in his second coming, he will come to judge the world.
I think the answer is you have a better chance of being save if you’re in the Catholic Church rather than outside. It is best to be a member of Christ’s Body, the Church rather than be apart from Him. Rejecting the Church would be rejecting Jesus Himself because the Church is His Body Col1:18 and in Scripture John 14:6 Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. Since the Church is Christ’s Body and Jesus is the Head then the Church would also be the way, the pillar of truth 1Tim3:15, and the life John15:5
I sincerely listened and I’ve been reading and learning Scripture my entire 45 years of life, I grew up in the “Church.” So anyway coming from a non-Catholic Christian congregation. Im not sure if I understand this explanation. Basically, I don’t understand this explanation. The question of can one be saved if they reject the Catholic Church?
If one willfully rejects the truth, thus are willfully ignorant they are not saved. Christianity can only be understood properly by viewing both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. Sacred Tradition refers to the beliefs the early church (pre-Bible) had and onward. These were written down in the Didache, which is the first Catechism and it predates the Bible more than 200 years and was taught by the first Christians. ‘The Word of God’ is one of Christ’ titles and Sacred Tradition refers to the teachings the early Christians had. The letters and writings that the early Church put together in the 3rd century were spread across regions and nobody held them together. The original doctrines of Christ’ apostles were taught verbally. When the Bible was put together by a Church that already dubbed itself ‘Catholic’ or “Universal” it was, as writings tell us, put together so that it was in line with an Orthodox teaching that was already established by then. The Consecration of the Eucharist, confession, Formation, Apostolic Succesion, veneration of Mary,… was already practiced back then according to historical letters from that time. The Bible was put together by Christians that believed in these doctrines and they picked the books of The Bible so that there was no conflict. ‘But why is the word consecration not in the Bible?’ Well, because the Bible was never put together to be a religious handbook for believers. The Bible is not the manual of Christianity, the Cathechism is. The Didache, which is again way older than the Bible, was the first Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Islam also teaches that only Muslims will be saved and that those who reject or die outside of Islam will suffer torments in eternal hellfire, as graphically described in the Qur'an. Now it's certainly possible that either or both Christianity or Islam could be wrong about their respective scenarios, but it's for sure that they can't both be right.
Go watch the information they receive during exorcisms demons aren’t reacting to Islam teaching or Buddhism they’re reacting to Christianity and Jesus his name brings power every priest or even preachers their faith strengthens because of this because they see the power of Jesus. Islam has nothing to compare with that
@@Scourge112 In the Muslim world, where they also have "exorcisms", so-called demons react to Muslim iconography. Not true that Jesus and Christianity are the only game in town when it comes to the phenomenon of so called "possession", which manifests in other cultures besides ours.
No such thing as Baptism of Desire or Baptism of Blood Council of Florence Ex Cathedra It firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the catholic church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the catholic church before the end of their lives; that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed his blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and the unity of the catholic church.
There are still some things im iffy about...like the veneration of icons and marry, the rosary, prayers to the saints or intercession of the saints, purgatory...but the eucharist, im begging to believe more and more i just gotta read into it more. With that being said, i was a catholic as a kid, did my own thing, then Protestant, now im wondering about Catholicism and orthodoxy. So then, am i saved if i stay in Protestant? I feel like i wont be.
My thought is that as long as the church is split between east and west that you don’t. As a Protestant I’m very open to orthodox faith but have some problems such as the canon, the necessity of intercession. Tho if the west and east joined undoubtably I’d leave Protestantism but immediately but I’d say to say it’s better to 5:31 take your time on making decisions and research. Being ignorant (not in a rude way) for the sake of urgency isn’t really what the Bible teaches which is what we promote when we say that if you aren’t a part of my church then you are saved.
@@dezznutts1197 I'm having a tough time understanding your comment. You're saying that I don't switch churches unless I've done enough research, right? And are you saying that one isn't saved if they aren't of a certain church?
@@gordo13371 I’m saying you should study and understand the church you’re joining before converting. And I think that the true church isn’t here right now because it is divided from ortho, Catholic, Protestant, oriential, Assyrian. So I don’t think people can say salvation is based on if you are Catholic, orthodox, Protestant.
Christianity can only be understood properly by viewing both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. Sacred Tradition refers to the beliefs the early church (pre-Bible) had and onward. These were written down in the Didache, which is the first Catechism and it predates the Bible more than 200 years and was taught by the first Christians. ‘The Word of God’ is one of Christ’ titles and Sacred Tradition refers to the teachings the early Christians had. The letters and writings that the early Church put together in the 3rd century were spread across regions and nobody held them together. The original doctrines of Christ’ apostles were taught verbally. When the Bible was put together by a Church that already dubbed itself ‘Catholic’ or “Universal” it was, as writings tell us, put together so that it was in line with an Orthodox teaching that was already established by then. The Consecration of the Eucharist, confession, Formation, Apostolic Succesion, veneration of Mary,… was already practiced back then according to historical letters from that time. The Bible was put together by Christians that believed in these doctrines and they picked the books of The Bible so that there was no conflict. ‘But why is the word consecration not in the Bible?’ Well, because the Bible was never put together to be a religious handbook for believers. The Bible is not the manual of Christianity, the Cathechism is. The Didache, which is again way older than the Bible, was the first Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Everyone wants to be righteous, and know because they have accepted certain dogmas or participate in a certain organization that they will be saved. Who am I to know? But it seems clear to me that, Catholic, Christian, or otherwise, if one loves and seeks goodness, and loves others as much as his or herself, then they have followed Jesus’ commandments. Those two alone are enough of a challenge to really live, every day, than any rites or professions of belief, which appear to me a means to the ends. It’s a sort of extrapolated legalism that obfuscates a message of profound simplicity and challenge. I’m not arguing that scholarship and study are unimportant, nor that all roads lead to Rome, but we can confuse our cart for the road.
We don't by the use of our reason figure out what saves us. Jesus told his apostles very clearly what saves us: "go therefore to all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father and the son and the holy spirit, he who believes and is baptized will be saved, he who believes not will be damned" So all those who rejected what the apostles taught and were not baptized were damned. And we will be damned if we do not follow the teachings of Jesus as he gave it to his apostles. Hope this helps!
@@NathanPK that's a good question and many saints have answered, that doctrine is giving by God to christ, and christ to the apostles and from the apostles to the bishops throughout the centuries. They teach that this "doctrine" (think divinity of jesus, or the trinity) is always stated as the same, in the same way and in the same sense. The teaching of jesus doesn't change, and when you study doctrine you can see that it doesn't change. It remains unchanged, but obviously questions about that doctrine come up that need clarification. And based on scripture and tradition the church guards the understanding of the doctrine when these questions come up. I can give examples if you like. I hope this helps
@@NathanPK one example is the doctrine of the trinity. So the apostles handed down the teaching of the divinity of Christ and the worship of the father the son and the holy spirit. That was apparent in liturgical rites of mass and baptism and orders right from the get go. There were however apocryphal writings, basically fake gospels written by heretics that seemed to claim that there were 3 Gods, there were also people who claimed that Jesus and the holy spirit were not God as well as several other misunderstandings. The problem is the tradition told the fathers that the three persons were God but also they didn't worship three God's. Scripture gives evidence for this, but it doesn't spell it out exactly. So the bishops of the various churches got together and discussed the issue and wrote to all the bishops stating what the trinity is and what it's not. See dionysius letter from 259, or the council of nicea or damasus I to all the eastern bishops 366. It took several centuries and several councils to root out the errors that came up just on this one topic. It also took several centuries for the bishops to get together and say exactly what books were scripture, and what books were phony nonsense. As you can see this isn't a small issue. If a person doesn't believe that Jesus, is the incarnate son of God, one in being with the father and the holy spirit, that man doesn't have the faith. Jesus told us to believe in him and his word and if the bishops didn't sort out what books contained his word and which books came up by evil men who wanted to twist the truth we would all be in the dark because at this point we wouldn't even have the holy Bible to refer to. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity You can probably see
As per the classic "The Meaning of Grace" by Cardinal Charles Journet: Anthropologists tell us that, surprisingly, half the people who ever lived were born before Christ. They figure it amounts to about 50 billion souls! Strict EENS would mean that all of them outside the Mosaic Law were automatically doomed. That would be equivalent to the heresy of Calvin's "UNconditioned predestination and reprobation." It would in turn be a denial of one of God's perfections, his justice. St. Paul in Romans allows the possibility of salvation for those who haven't heard the Gospel. Because God's will was revealed through the Natural Law (of right and wrong) written on their consciences. That when such a person was confronted with a moral choice and obeyed their conscience, a defacto 'baptism of desire' took place. Because God is utterly simple, his will is identical with his essence. Such a person seeking to do "the good" written by God on their conscience accepted God's will and received a baptism of desire. Now that's a lot looser than sacramental salvation, but God was a lot more lenient before the coming of Christ and the New Law. Even with those under the Mosaic Law which itself was salvific. Recall the shenanigans of the King David and Solomon with multiple wives. And dare we mention the patriarchs? Which is why the CCC 846-848 allows for potential salvation outside the church for those honestly seeking and obeying the truth. Having said that, if salvation is still difficult for those under the New Law with the sacraments, how much harder will it be for those outside the church. Which is why evangelization is crucial.
The Church teaches very clearly that the mosaic law was not conditional for salvation, the mosaic law was given as an aid to the jews who after their long period in Egypt were unable to follow properly the natural law. But after the fall of man neither the natural law nor the mosaic law actually granted salvation, both the good and the bad went to hell after death, the damned went to the depths of hell reserved for the devils, and those of good will who followed the natural light of reason or if they were jews observed the law and its ordinances and by the grace of God had genuine repentance for sins (think of kind David weeping over his sin) these went to the "limbus patrem" where they awaited Christ's decent into hell where he preached the gospel to them and applied the merits of his passion so that they could be liberated. Hope this helps!
For me growing up: Protestant 'til my late teens. Atheist/Agnostic 20's-30's. 40's a return to the faith. I just turned 50 in October after what I call the spiritual "boomerang". After months of watching these videos and listening to some other Bishops and people of the Catholic faith, I want desperately to go through the RCIA. I hunger for the Eucharist, Baptism, all of it. Thank you for your channel and the amazing guests you have on your program.
Welcome home! Merry Christmas! ❤️
Let it be known to all: Through the Holy Spirit, God has put it on me to preach to those lost in the devil's deceit!
Hear me when I say, ye that are Catholic have been deceived and know not God. Ye worship Mary, praying to her; when God tells his to worship none other than him. It is idolatry.
Catholicism has its own Bible and teachings, which are blasphemous to the word of God: the Holy Bible. As ye follow the teachings of man and not God; ye hear the pope, but not Jesus, yet ye claim to be his disciples!
These are but a few things I named ye dwell within; there are many more. I tell you now to repent of your sins, accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and you'll receive the gift of the Holy Spirit upon asking the Father!
There are *NO* sub-divisions of Christianity. You're either a disciple of Christ or not. A Christian is someone who follows God's word, not a religion. Who obey the Father and follow his will; not man's nor their own heart's. Unless you keep Jesus' commandments, think not the Holy Spirit will dwell within you!
They who heed this message and did what was stated with an open heart to God...
Read the Holy Bible (KJV) daily and every time before you read, pray to the Father and ask:
"Lord I ask that you give me understanding of your word, that I interpret it the way you want me to, and none of my own. I ask you in Jesus' name, amen."
Revelation 22:8-9 KJV
8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
Acts 2:38 KJV
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Luke 11:13 KJV
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
John 14:21-24 KJV
21 *He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.*
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, *If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.*
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and *the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.*
3 John 1:11 KJV
11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. *He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.*
1 John 3:6-10 KJV
6 *Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.*
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: *he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.*
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 *Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.*
10 *In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God,* neither he that loveth not his brother.
@@Call_Upon_YAH lol the horrific attempt at KJV-style English does more to undermine your heretical teaching than underscore it
@@Call_Upon_YAH Me thinks ye be the one deceived. Praying for you!
Mr. Pine is not an amazing guest, he is a heretic!
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino”, 1441:
“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439:
“Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.”
It [the Holy Roman Church] condemns, rejects and anathematizes all who think opposed and contrary things, and declares them to be aliens from the Body of Christ, which is the Church.” (Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra)
St. Basil, Letter 257, 4th century: “Remember that it is not the multitude who are being saved, but the elect of God. Be not then affrighted at the great multitude of the people who are carried here and there by winds like the waters of the sea.”
I could quote many, many more solemn teachings that demolish this heretic's apostasy.
You need to become a real Catholic, look into MHFM's video vatican II council of apostasy on YT.
Remember to pray the rosary every day,
God bless you.
Great video! "To whom shall we go oh lord? For You have the words of eternal life"
"No one comes to the father but by me"
"Strive to enter through the narrow door, for many I tell you will seek to enter, but will not be able"
I could genuinely listen to Fr. Gregory forever. The man's a Saint on Earth. God bless him.
Mr. Pine is not a saint, he is a heretic!
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino”, 1441:
“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439:
“Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.”
It [the Holy Roman Church] condemns, rejects and anathematizes all who think opposed and contrary things, and declares them to be aliens from the Body of Christ, which is the Church.” (Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra)
St. Basil, Letter 257, 4th century: “Remember that it is not the multitude who are being saved, but the elect of God. Be not then affrighted at the great multitude of the people who are carried here and there by winds like the waters of the sea.”
I could quote many, many more solemn teachings that demolish this heretic's apostasy.
You need to become a real Catholic, look into MHFM's video vatican II council of apostasy on YT.
Remember to pray the rosary every day,
God bless you.
Right? I wont even be sad if he suddenly dies because I know that man's going straight up
Always keep in mind that God desires that every person be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth. And always keep in mind that God expressed this truth by hanging from a cross in the body of Jesus out of love for sinners.
He above all desired the jews to be saved and of them he wept: "oh jerusalem! Jerusalem! How I would have gathered you together as the hen gathers her brood, but you would not believe"
And after 3 straight years of regularly preaching, healing and doing miracles to the jews so that they might believe he said:
" and he said to the vinedresser, ‘Look, for three years now I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and I find none. Cut it down. Why should it use up the ground?’"
LOL many forsake their Birthright, and God hardens there heart and sends the operation of error
This was a very providential mean to me to revisit and revise the idea of salvation outside of the Holy Church. Thank you.
There are actually zero (nulla) people saved (salus) outside (extra) the Church (Ecclesiam).
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino”, 1441:
“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439:
“Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.”
It [the Holy Roman Church] condemns, rejects and anathematizes all who think opposed and contrary things, and declares them to be aliens from the Body of Christ, which is the Church.” (Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra)
St. Basil, Letter 257, 4th century: “Remember that it is not the multitude who are being saved, but the elect of God. Be not then affrighted at the great multitude of the people who are carried here and there by winds like the waters of the sea.”
I could quote many, many more solemn teachings that demolish this heretic's apostasy.
You need to become a real Catholic, look into MHFM's video vatican II council of apostasy on YT.
Remember to pray the rosary every day,
God bless you.
If someone who claims to be a Catholic seriously believes that someone outside the Catholic Church can be saved, should revisit what the Church teaches.
I believe in Jesus Christ. I believe and am thankful that he came to die for our sins on the cross redeeming our souls and that he rose again on the third day defeating death. I am repentant and ask for the lord’s forgiveness. Why would he not have saved me?
He instituted a church and asked us to be fed by that church and to confess our sins to His priests and to eat his body and blood at the Eucharist, to pray for the living and the dead etc
Father - It seems like you were saying in the beginning of the video that Christ founded the Catholic Church and that everyone needs to belong to it to be saved, but you finished with stating that God's grace spills outside the bounds of the visible church and also acts in the Orthodox, Protestant, Muslim and Jewish faiths and that individuals in those faith traditions are only obliged to become Catholic if they believe the Church is who she says she is? Am I missing something? Your last point seems to contradict the missionary spirit with which thousands of souls sacrificed their lives to convert the masses. It seems the Church used to have more clarity on this issue in centuries past. I found this video more confusing than clarifying.
Hey man, I know your comment is from a year ago, but if you were still looking for clarity on this topic, Tim Staples has a great article on Catholic Answers that might help, titled 'Is There Really "No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church?"' God bless
One God, One Faith, One Baptism… St Paul: I have been saved, I am being saved, and I hope I will be saved…
Hope or Faith in God's Word is not something like we use in modern English language i.e I hope my team wins the superbowl or whatever...Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
The Holy Spirit who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory. (Ephesians 1:14)
Merry Christmas and God bless Fr. Gregory Pine and the whole crew of Pints with Aquinas!
If it's that complicated, I am thankful that I am a Baptist. Jesus' call was pretty simple (John 3:16), man has made salvation complicated, as this video clearly shows. No wonder Jesus never wrote anything. He didn't have to. His call was to love and follow him. Simple.
As far as The Church is concerned, all Christians are members of the Body of Christ...The Church.
Blessings to you all!
Christianity can only be understood properly by viewing both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. Sacred Tradition refers to the beliefs the early church (pre-Bible) had and onward. These were written down in the Didache, which is the first Catechism and it predates the Bible more than 200 years and was taught by the first Christians. ‘The Word of God’ is one of Christ’ titles and Sacred Tradition refers to the teachings the early Christians had. The letters and writings that the early Church put together in the 3rd century were spread across regions and nobody held them together. The original doctrines of Christ’ apostles were taught verbally. When the Bible was put together by a Church that already dubbed itself ‘Catholic’ or “Universal” it was, as writings tell us, put together so that it was in line with an Orthodox teaching that was already established by then. The Consecration of the Eucharist, confession, Formation, Apostolic Succesion, veneration of Mary,… was already practiced back then according to historical letters from that time. The Bible was put together by Christians that believed in these doctrines and they picked the books of The Bible so that there was no conflict. ‘But why is the word consecration not in the Bible?’ Well, because the Bible was never put together to be a religious handbook for believers. The Bible is not the manual of Christianity, the Cathechism is. The Didache, which is again way older than the Bible, was the first Catechism of the Catholic Church.
@LaurensZandvoort Thanks for your response. Blessings.
What can your man made religion give you that God cannot?
@@LaurensZandvoort Man-made rules and laws. Jesus told the Pharisees that they did not know how the law was meant to be used. The Catholic church does not know what Jesus taught. They have butchered it just like the Pharisees did the law.
When Protestants speak of "the church", they generally don't include Catholics and Eastern Orthodox, which demonstrates how sadly and thoroughly deceived they are. 😢
Furthermore, the chaotic, fractured, leaderless "church" of Protestantism is nothing like the Church founded by Jesus, as described in the NT.
P.S. I'm a Catholic and an ex-Protestant.
The answer: YES
Amen
Trent
If any one saith, that by the said sacraments of the New Law grace is not conferred through the act performed, but that faith alone in the divine promise suffices for the obtaining of grace; let him be anathema.
@@sleepystar1638 but that faith alone in the divine promise suffices for the obtaining of grace; let him be anathema.
So Eph 2:5-9 is a lie?
Titus 3:5 is false?
James 2 faith without works is dead so what are the works that James 1:1 is addressing to the Jews? Found in our Lord's reply to the Jews in John 6:27-29 !
This is why you go to the scriptures for your belief and question anything you are taught. Acts 17:11 Council of Trent says something and roman Catholics are told to believe it or be cursed . Scripture tells me that salvation is a gift and I obtain it through faith without any works . Eph 2:9 but don't get confused and think faith is sitting on our thumbs. All through the new testament it tells you to live out your faith not for salvation ,but because of salvation being given to you and complete forgiveness of all your sins.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 lol
John 6
28They said therefore unto him: What shall we do, that we may work the works of God? 29Jesus answered, and said to them: This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he hath sent.
Faith is a work so says Jesus Christ n Faith comes from grace, if u say u have no works u have no faith either because they are tied
Matthew 16
16Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. 18And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
does Faith come from flesh an blood? no it comes from grace, there are two types of works
Galatians 5
16I say then, walk in the spirit, and you shall not fulfil the lusts of the flesh. 17For the flesh lusteth against the spirit: and the spirit against the flesh; for these are contrary one to another: so that you do not the things that you would. 18But if you are led by the spirit, you are not under the law. 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are fornication, uncleanness, immodesty, luxury,
Ephesians 2
10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus in good works, which God hath prepared that we should walk in them.
two works, Flesh or Spirit, Flesh works cant get u into Heaven, but Spirit works are required, such as Baptism. which is a work of faith, Evangelizing, taking care of the sick poor imprisoned n old. that's why the Bible seemingly "contradicts" itself to Protestants, because u don't understand it. As Ephesians 2 says "Walk in them" which are good works.
Titus 3
5Not by the works of justice, which we have done, but according to his mercy, he saved us, by the laver of regeneration, and renovation of the Holy Ghost; 6Whom he hath poured forth upon us abundantly, through Jesus Christ our Savior: 7That, being justified by his grace, we may be heirs, according to hope of life everlasting. 8It is a faithful saying: and these things I will have thee affirm constantly: that they, who believe in God, may be careful to excel in good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. 9But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law. For they are unprofitable and vain. 10A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid: 11Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment.
laver of regeneration means Baptism, so Justice works arent require but the Faith
work of Baptism is, showing a contrast in these two works, but Paul says he does the works of Justice anyways.... in Titus 3.5
2 Peter 1
20Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. 21For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost.
how are u supposed to understand when u privately interpret everything urself which is contrary to the Gospel? who is ur Holy man interpreter?
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 Faith is a work that comes by grace, if u have no works u have no faith
I'm saved by grace...and is so easy and smooth and natural to do works for loving Jesus Christ God resurrected king died for me and for us.
I have no excuse! I know the Catholic Church is the true body of Christ, and I cling to Mother Church for the sake of my soul and for the sake of my love for Jesus Christ (by His grace!). MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!!
Not to be too confrontational, but could you explain to me how you know that? While I find the idea attractive, I've not been convinced by the Catholic or Orthodox authority claims. That said, if I believed such claims I'd likely end up Orthodox.
@@EmberBright2077 There's no point in explaining. One, it would take way too long, and two, ultimately people are not converted by reason, but by the Holy Spirit.
@@GrislyAtoms12 lol
Thank you Father for this extremely articulate and thorough exposition of the dogma "Extra ecclesiam nulla salus". I confess there are things I do not understand, so I simply trust what the Church teaches. It is clear to me that the Church has traditionally taught two things with regard to salvation of non Catholics:
1- there can be no good hope that they will be saved unless they explicitly renounce their false beliefs and at least intend to convert. See error number 17, condemned by Pius IX's Syllabus: "Good hope at least is to be entertained of the eternal salvation of all those who are not at all in the true Church of Christ."
2- It is POSSIBLE in some unknown way, for those who die as non Catholics, to be saved. As the doctrine "baptism of desire" implies, God's grace can transcend the visible limits of His Church. This is a doctrine the Church Father's clearly teach, and which I therefore believe in. A soul may have a mystical encounter with God just before death, unbeknown to anyone else, thereby allowing it to desire baptism or the true faith.
We should never categorically afirm that anyone is in Hell, with the possible exception of Judas, of whom Our Lord said it would have been better if he had never been born. We cannot know for sure what occurs between a soul and God in the final moments. Nor should we assume, or even expect, that a non catholic is saved. There is a difficult balance to maintain. On one hand we should avoid the modernist, indifferentism, which makes belonging to the One, true Church a dispensable luxury. On the other, we should also avoid unnecessary rigorism, condemning everyone who is not officially catholic. That's my five cents. God bless you all, and Merry Christmas!
Isn't that a bit of a contradiction though? Saying we should not condemn, but immediately prior you straight up said that we should not assume or expect that they will be saved (implying condemnation). It's a cheap escape hatch.
To say we should not expect or assume a non-Catholic to be saved condemns **billions** implicitly.
@@Gumbi1012 I don't think it's an escape hatch. Pius IX was very careful in his wording. He did not say all who die as non catholics are damned; he said we should not have a strong hope of their being saved, meaning that they are most likely lost, but there is always a slim chance that God could somehow perform a secret, last minute miracle.
Something else is worth adding. There is a doctrine that runs all through Church history, starting with Our Lord's own words, concerning the few who are saved. I believe a large majority of humanity will spend eternity in Hell. This doctrine is scary, yet well established. It ties in with Extra ecclesiam nulla salus, but we must also add to the list of the damned all the phony and lukewarm catholics. As baptized catholics, we must strive each day to avoid falling into this category, because nobody has a guarantee of heaven, until they leave this life.
Doesn't the Catholic Church affirm all of the Orthodox churches sacraments, meaning they can/will be saved according to Catholic theology as well?
@@chadpilled7913 Yes, the catholic Church admits the validity of the sacraments in the Eastern Orthodox churches, but that is not enough for salvation. They are in a state of schism, as they are formally separated from Rome. See this from the Council of Florence of 1442:
"[The holy Roman church] firmly believes, professes, and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics AND SCHISMATICS, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Catholic Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation."
@@Gumbi1012 You are correct. The heresy of baptism of desire contradicts dozens of dogmas. See the video baptism of desire buried on YT.
I really appreciate your explanation of Baptism at 10:00 mark. It explains the balance between water baptism and baptism of the Holy Ghost very well.
Nobody needs to be a Catholic or Protestant to be Saved... Everyone just needs Christ Jesus who is the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE... including to be part of God's True CHURCH built upon the ROCK (Christ Jesus)... On Judgment day, we will all be judged according to our WORKS... (ref. Rev. 20:12-13 / Matt. 16:27 / 2 Corin. 5:10 / 1 Corin. 3:13 / Romans 2:6-11 / 1 Peter 4:16)... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.
The Catholic Church has the fullness of truth.
@@georgepierson4920 Just like other RELIGION and CHURCHES had claimed and said... Apostles John said, "TEST EVERY SPIRIT WHETHER IF THE SPIRITS ARE FROM GOD OR NOT." (ref. 1 John 4)...
Apostle Paul warned us all, "DO NOT GO BEYOND/EXCEED WHAT IS WRITTEN." (ref. 1 Corin. 4:6)... Amen.
@@jvlp2046 So, was the entire Christian Bible written at that point? No, it was not.
@@georgepierson4920 Why did St. Paul say, "Hold on to both the Spoken/Oral Tradition and Written (Epistles/letters) Tradition?"... (ref. 2 Thessa. 2:15)... because St. Paul knew he would not see the Final Completion of the WRITTEN TRADITION after his martyred down (beheaded) in around 64 A.D. ... The Last to be written down to complete the Written Tradition of the Word of God were the Gospel of John and the Book of Revelation between 100 to 110 A.D. after John died of old age.
According to John 21:25... there were many EVENTS that Christ Jesus had done but were not written down for the whole world can not contain them... Therefore, God had summarized all the EVENTS that Christ Jesus had done and had chosen only those with GREAT IMPORTANCE to Mankind's SALVATION to be written down by Inspired MEN (not women) guided by the Holy Spirit and completed them in around 110 A.D.
Other written books after the Gospel of John and the Book of Revelation around 110 A.D. onward were no longer included in the WORD OF GOD (Holy Scriptures)... such as the written Gospel of Peter, Thomas, Magdalene, Mary, Judas, Enoch, Pontius Pilate, etc...
After the Written WORD of God was Finally COMPLETED in around 110 A.D., it became more AUTHORITATIVE than the Oral Tradition. (ref. 2 Timothy 3:16)... As long as the Oral Tradition does not contradict the Written Tradition, that means, God still wanted them to be practiced... However, if not, the Written Tradition must supersede, overrule, and remove that particular Oral Tradition to be practiced by True Christians...
This was God's WILL (Prerogative), for if it (Oral) is still required/needed, God would allow them to be written down in the first place... logically speaking.
The Oral and Written Traditions must be UNITED as ONE w/o Division/Confusion... One (United) God, One WORD (Scripture), and One (Spiritual) TRUTH...
St. Paul warned all True Christians, "DO NOT GO/EXCEED WHAT IS WRITTEN," and God's CURSE for those who will DO. (ref. 1 Corin. 4:6 & Gal. 1:8)...
Facts and Truth, Biblically and logically speaking... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.
@@georgepierson4920 Historians and Archeologists attested that the WRITTEN TRADITION of the WORD OF GOD was Finally Completed and distributed to the Early 7 Churches of God in Christ Jesus in Asia Minor (presently Turkey) around 110 A.D. onward ... Nothing has to be added after that... There were NO Dogmas of PURGATORY, PERPETUAL VIRGIN, IMMACULATE CONCEPTION, ROSARY, TRANSUBSTANTIATION, CO-REDEEMER/MEDIATRIX, POPES, CARDINALS, MAGISTERIUM, MOTHER OF GOD, LIMBO, SELLING INDULGENCES, ASSUMPTION/ASCENSION OF MARY, etc. starting from the Apostles in the 1st Cent. A.D. up to the 3rd Cent. A.D.
Only after the Pagan Roman Empire (Constantine) converted to CATHOLICISM that these Invented New Oral/Spoken Tradition of Dogmas come out... Queen Mother HELENA (mother of Constantine) went to Israel and collected all the Christian RELICS and WRITTEN TRADITION in Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek languages and translated them all into the LATIN VULGATE in the 4th Cent. A.D.
Facts and Truth of the Matters, Biblically and Historically speaking... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.
I PRAISE JESUS! Even as I’m struggling providing for my children. I will keep faith. I get harassed and called names simply for sharing my testimony and asking for prayers. But prayers are all I WANT. I fell on hard times because I was fired from my job as a social worker at Forsyth Hospital because I declined the vaccine. I was denied my medical/religious exemption. I declined because of my pre existing health condition lupus and heart disease. I wish I could go back to the hospital but unfortunately the mandate is still in place all hospitals workers must be vaccinated against covid 19 for hospitals that participate in Medicare and Medicaid. I’m waitressing AND I’m SO THANKFUL, but I’m not making nearly as much as I use too. My husband died years ago. I’m all alone, As a single mother with two autistic children things are so overwhelming on me because my boys require a lot from me. Every month is a struggle to pay bills and to put food on the table. BUT our Heavenly Father gives me courage to not give up because I want to. I’m so discouraged but even as I face homelessness almost every month and even as I get put down and mocked because of my situation and choice. I will keep faith in God! Please pray for me and my boys. God bless. Merry Christmas.
Wished you are in my state and country....But, God will help you. 🙏
I am from the state Meghalaya of India. I'll remember you in my prayers 🙏
Remember while you are being persecuted for your faith St Paul says be happy. It is so difficult I know, but the graces you will receive from God will be immense. Im not going into the stupidity on the rules of the vaccine etc, but you know God loves you and will guide you through this trial in your life. Keep strong by saying rosary too.
God Bless
Praying for you. Praying God will supply your needs, richly in Christ Jesus. Praying you and your children will never go hungry, or thirsty or not under your own roof. You did the right thing re. 💉. I'm praying our Lord will send people into your life, from your church, another church if need be, and amongst your community, to pray with you, and support you emotionally and practically - during this season of little. You are most likely depressed in this situation, caused by exhaustion and anxiety - do get this checked out and some help with that. As tough as it is, you have two children who love you...even though challenging - you have health - and this season, will pass, nothing stays the same.
'God will make a way, where there seems to be no way. He works in ways, we cannot see, he will make way for me. He will be my God, draw me close unto His side. With love and strength for each new day, God will make a way. God will make a Way'.
Dear sister, you are experiencing, what we all need to come to realise - God is all we really have. 🙏
This sounds like such a difficult situation to navigate, my prayers are with you, mama 😢Remember that the suffering you face now will only bring you closer to God, never lose hope ☺️
The spirit blows where it will John 3:8
Basiclly, you have to be catholic to be saved. Even if God saves you using extraordinary means(baptism of desire or blood while you are still alive) you are still incorporated to the Catholic Church having knowledge of the truths of the faith. Everyone is catholic in heaven by definition.
You think the salvation of God is dependant on which old man from the early middle ages, or late roman era, you agree with?
I think you misunderstood, the Catholic Church recognizes the validity of the baptism of other Christian Denominations that uses the trinitarian formula (i.e. "I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of teh Son, and of the Holy Spirit). What the "Church" means in the context of the sentence "outside the church there is no salvation" is the "Mystical body of Christ" or all the baptized Faithful.
Basically:
Church = Mystical body of Christ = All baptized Faithful.
What the Phrase "Extra Ecclesiam nulla Salus" means is that if someone does not willingly believe in Christ, they will not receive Salvation. I hope this helps.
Well you a somewhat mistaken, the Catholic Church alone is the Mystical Body of Christ, anyone who is validly baptized is connected to the Catholic Church if they suffer from invincible ignorance. However the Church has made very clear that those who refuse to enter into the Catholic Church because of any other reason BUT invincible ignorance will not be saved(Cantate Domino, etc…). Simple ignorance is not enough either, because you can be ignorant of your own fault and thus be damned, especially in this time of information.
@@jackhohne6163 invincible ignorance is a false teaching
There are councils that contradict you
The simple answer is yes.
Thats why I am Catholic!!! Lets help others to be saved!!!
Awesome - so appreciate this short but very important teaching.
Excellent ! thank your Fr. Gregory
I might be dense or it might be the nature of Catholic teaching, but I hear yes/no/maybe on whether Protestants specifically can be saved. This video said a lot and was helpful to an extent but didn’t seem to clearly answer the question in a direct manner.
Merry Christmas Eve! Hope you have a wonderful midnight mass tonight y’all!
I desparately want to become a Catholic though, so much of its teachings I cannot submit to on account of my conscience guided by scripture. I have spent many hours in prayer, praying that God would reveal to me the truth but yet I still stand in my protestant roots because I am convinced by scripture of many of my denomination's teachings.
Read of the church fathers and the councils. Christ would not have arranged for a church weaker at the start with errors to be disputed in protest.
There are many things that Protestants have thrown out in favor of scripture arranged by post-resurrection Jews rather than post-resurrection Greek-literate Christians.
Keep soul searching. Remember that Israel means “one who wrestles with god” and the church militant is the new Israel. Keep wrestling internally, do not give up.
My family went from atheist(me) Mormonism(wife) to Catholicism for some of the reasons above.
I’ll be praying for you.
Scripture alone!
Christianity can only be understood properly by viewing both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. Sacred Tradition refers to the beliefs the early church (pre-Bible) had and onward. These were written down in the Didache, which is the first Catechism and it predates the Bible more than 200 years and was taught by the first Christians. ‘The Word of God’ is one of Christ’ titles and Sacred Tradition refers to the teachings the early Christians had. The letters and writings that the early Church put together in the 3rd century were spread across regions and nobody held them together. The original doctrines of Christ’ apostles were taught verbally. When the Bible was put together by a Church that already dubbed itself ‘Catholic’ or “Universal” it was, as writings tell us, put together so that it was in line with an Orthodox teaching that was already established by then. The Consecration of the Eucharist, confession, Formation, Apostolic Succesion, veneration of Mary,… was already practiced back then according to historical letters from that time. The Bible was put together by Christians that believed in these doctrines and they picked the books of The Bible so that there was no conflict. ‘But why is the word consecration not in the Bible?’ Well, because the Bible was never put together to be a religious handbook for believers. The Bible is not the manual of Christianity, the Cathechism is. The Didache, which is again way older than the Bible, was the first Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Christianity can only be understood properly by viewing both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. Sacred Tradition refers to the beliefs the early church (pre-Bible) had and onward. These were written down in the Didache, which is the first Catechism and it predates the Bible more than 200 years and was taught by the first Christians. ‘The Word of God’ is one of Christ’ titles and Sacred Tradition refers to the teachings the early Christians had. The letters and writings that the early Church put together in the 3rd century were spread across regions and nobody held them together. The original doctrines of Christ’ apostles were taught verbally. When the Bible was put together by a Church that already dubbed itself ‘Catholic’ or “Universal” it was, as writings tell us, put together so that it was in line with an Orthodox teaching that was already established by then. The Consecration of the Eucharist, confession, Formation, Apostolic Succesion, veneration of Mary,… was already practiced back then according to historical letters from that time. The Bible was put together by Christians that believed in these doctrines and they picked the books of The Bible so that there was no conflict. ‘But why is the word consecration not in the Bible?’ Well, because the Bible was never put together to be a religious handbook for believers. The Bible is not the manual of Christianity, the Cathechism is. The Didache, which is again way older than the Bible, was the first Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Perhaps you simply need to read another Catholic convert's story? People so easily get caught up in the culture they know that to think outside it seems impossible, they believe it impossible, and so end up never changing because do not realize this thinking.
Another is remembering the Roman Catholic Church pieced together the Bible. Centuries later, Luther and his fellow heretics kick out certain books or reword verses.
Also, Protestants are so named for picking which of God's teachings, dogmas, and etc. they hate and want not to follow. I believe these heresies include thinking all flesh is evil, denying one of Jesus' Natures, reincarnation, and others.
Finally, every time a Protestant debated a well-informed Catholic, the latter prevails. Why? Protestant parrots a claim he was taught, then when it's answered, pivots to another. The humility to admit he's got more to learn? That's missing.
God bless you Father! you rock.
All true, I was taught in Catechism that if you die with any unconfessed mortal sin you are going to hell. How can you have any realistic chance of going to heaven if you never accepted Jesus as your savior and if you never had your sins forgiven through the blood and merits of Jesus Christ received through the sacrament of the Catholic Church, i.e. Confession, Baptism or Extreme Unction?
you dont, this priest is a modernist and doesnt even know it
Awsome. I thought this video was going to be boring and it is deep. Gloria Patri.
I`m more like the sinner next to Jesus on the cross pretty wretched and completely dependent on his grace . I haven`t done Catechism or the Sacraments or done confession or believe in Mary the way Roman Catholics do or speak Latin and yet ..............I believe Jesus died for me and has accepted me . Every knee shall bow. I find it heart breaking that one set of believers is judging another. Surely ,the ultimate in sanctimonious self righteousness ! Let`s talk about Jesus !
he died under the Old Law, remember Jesus said "i go to prepare a place for you", and he said "dont touch me for i have no yet ascended to my Father"? so Heaven wasnt opened until Jesus ascended to Heaven so he could prepare it for us
Im sorry Fr. Pine, but most other churches also openly welcome in people, because they claim to have the fullness of the body of Christ. There is nothing in your argumentation, that couldnt be applied to any denomination.
I came to Christ by reading the Bible, not through any community and to me it seems like most of the churches claim to be the one true church, but none of them has a leg to stand on, when trying to justify it biblically.
It also strikes me as trying to limit Gods salvation, by limiting it to certain organisations. Matt 23:13 comes to mind.
I dont know if this video was meant for catholics or non-catholics, but i feel like youre preaching for the choir here. I generally enjoy your commentary. God bless you.
I am also unsure what he would say about my salvation which was realized through a regeneration of my spirit by the Holy Spirit. I practice my faith in a protestant church that is evangelical, has hierarchy, teachings, etc.
@@jessedphillips Protestantism was created in the 16th century by heretics who preached a new gospel which contradicts that which was received and handed down in the apostolic Church. They can't even agree with each other, which is why they are so extremely divided.
I am sure what Fr. Pine would say is that you've probably had the beginnings of a genuine conversion and have a genuine faith in *some* of the revelation of Christ, and this is a start, but that you are in a precarious situation since you have chosen to receive the teaching of heretics rather than the Church. Salvation is not in an initial conversion experience; it's where you end up. Recall the parable of the sower. Also recall the parable of the weeds and the wheat, how they grow up together but in the end they have vastly different destinies. Please consider that each specific heresy that you choose to receive must of necessity lead you away from truth because each one offers you a false conclusion (even if it is seemingly drawn from true premises). And likewise, each truth that you deny which is taught by the Church was meant specifically to enlighten your mind and facilitate your salvation, so in denying these truths you make things harder on yourself and make the path of salvation harder to see and to follow.
"There is nothing in your argumentation, that couldnt be applied to any denomination."
That's absurdly false. The Church is not a 'denomination'. It is the one Church founded by Jesus Christ which has persisted through all of history. Protestantism arose in the 16th century and denies the ancient Faith, and they have a zillion 'denominations' precisely because they are not the one Church of Christ but the innumerable false 'churches' of heretics.
"I came to Christ by reading the Bible, not through any community"
Not true, or even possible. Did you baptize yourself, codify the canon of Scripture by yourself, determine doctrine infallibly by yourself?
@@MillionthUsername Your argument starts and stops with the sentence "We are the one true church founded by Jesus Christ".
Well, so many other churches claim the same. What argument does the Roman Catholic Church have, that sets them apart? No argument presented in the video does.
And are you saying that its impossible to come to Christ, through reading the Bible? Thats very ironic, you know.
@@JezielProdigalSon Apostolic succession. Only the Orthodox and Catholic Church can entertain this thought I would presume.
It is possible to understand the person of Christ through reading the Bible, now is this enough ? NO. The grace of Christ is always calling us to do more and be more wholly united to him. It is but one of many steps an individual take as he/she is more united to Christ. It manifests in Baptism and living a life that bears good fruit. The Catholic Church has sacraments which are sources of grace with biblical foundations. This is not some arbitrary ritual but a vehicle for grace for the salvation of souls.
Thank you for your help. I truly need such guidance.
Hi Father
So to conclude.... In order to be saved you must be a Catholic or in the process of becoming one if you die in the process. Correct?
Put simply, in order to be saved, you must be in a state of grace at your death. You ordinarily get into that state by: believing, repenting, and getting baptized (when you first convert); then if you sin mortally: believe again, repent again, and confess. All of this is from the moving of the grace of God and is only possible because of Jesus. It is the Catholic Church’s mission to facilitate this on earth in a visible way with the sacraments (visible signs of invisible grace). No church, no sacraments, no salvation.
I imagine the Church is like Noah’s Ark, something ordained by God and built upon a man to survive the watery chaos of the world. The Church is the body of Christ, and Jesus is the head. You cannot separate the head from the body. The baptized are members of the body like passengers on the Ark, or like the branches grafted onto the vine. Jesus came first and foremost to redeem human nature, not necessarily you as a private individual. Jesus will raise the church, and you being in the church would be raised.
On the Catholic paradigm, Catholicism is the fullness of divinely revealed truth, and it’s dangerous to remain in a state where any amount of lies are present. It’s dangerous such that it’s easier to be led astray, however it’s not impossible to know the truth that has been revealed to you and act in accord with it. If the truth is found in Catholicism, to follow the truth, even if you’re not an explicit member, would make you an implicit member of the Catholic Church, grafted onto the body of Christ. If a truth has been revealed to you and you reject it, this is to reject the Catholic Church, and to reject the Church is to reject the Head, thus there is condemnation.
With all this said, I think it’s appropriate to say, yes, you do have to be Catholic to be saved.
@@killianmiller6107 Can you give me the infallible list of all possible mortal sins, according to the Roman Catholic
@@killianmiller6107 Thank you so much! Im a Catholic I'm 73 years old and I've had this discussion with priests and they believe that you don't have to be a Catholic to be saved. We can go on and on. I bought the Catechism of Trent. That Catechism came before the modernists and their changing things.
Thank you again and from this day forward you are in my prayers. Thank you!
I think my point is that yes, you do have to be Catholic to be saved, but it’s also possible to be implicitly Catholic even though it’s not outwardly evident. You may need to ask what the priest means when he says “you don’t have to be Catholic,” because I think it’s true that someone who is outwardly a Protestant, Muslim, or atheist etc could genuinely be following the rays of truth that have been revealed to them (through conscience for instance), and God is merciful upon those who didn’t know him through no fault of their own. Thus it’s proper to say non Catholics can be saved, but only by virtue of an implicit membership, and probably with lots of purgation. I think of Luke 12 where the servant who didn’t know his master’s will is beaten lightly, but not thrown out. This doesn’t mean we should leave people where they are, because it is much more dangerous to live outside the church, ignorant or not.
@@killianmiller6107 Thank you that's pretty much what I thought.
Why did St. Paul say, "Hold on to both the Spoken/Oral Tradition and Written (Epistles/letters) Tradition?"... (ref. 2 Thessa. 2:15)... because St. Paul knew he would not see the Final Completion of the WRITTEN TRADITION after his martyred down (beheaded) in around 64 A.D. ... The Last to be written down to complete the Written Tradition of the Word of God were the Gospel of John and the Book of Revelation between 100 to 110 A.D. after John died of old age.
According to John 21:25... there were many EVENTS that Christ Jesus had done but were not written down for the whole world can not contain them... Therefore, God had summarized all the EVENTS that Christ Jesus had done and had chosen only those with GREAT IMPORTANCE to Mankind's SALVATION to be written down by Inspired MEN (not women) guided by the Holy Spirit and completed them in around 110 A.D.
Other written books after the Gospel of John and the Book of Revelation around 110 A.D. onward were no longer included in the WORD OF GOD (Holy Scriptures)... such as the written Gospel of Peter, Thomas, Magdalene, Mary, Judas, Enoch, Pontius Pilate, etc...
After the Written WORD of God was Finally COMPLETED in around 110 A.D., it became more AUTHORITATIVE than the Oral Tradition. (ref. 2 Timothy 3:16)... As long as the Oral Tradition does not contradict the Written Tradition, that means, God still wanted them to be practiced... However, if not, the Written Tradition must supersede, overrule, and remove that particular Oral Tradition to be practiced by True Christians...
This was God's WILL (Prerogative), for if it (Oral) is still required/needed, God would allow them to be written down in the first place... logically speaking.
The Oral and Written Traditions must be UNITED as ONE w/o Division/Confusion... One (United) God, One WORD (Scripture), and One (Spiritual) TRUTH...
St. Paul warned all True Christians, "DO NOT GO/EXCEED WHAT IS WRITTEN," and God's CURSE for those who will DO. (ref. 1 Corin. 4:6 & Gal. 1:8)...
Facts and Truth, Biblically and logically speaking... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.
@@jvlp2046 All you are doing is showing your ignorance and you Protestants love being ignorant.
Regarding Salvation
Let the WORD speak:
Yahushua/Jesus said to him
“I am the way, the truth and the life NO ONE comes to the Father except THROUGH ME”
John 14:6
“This is the stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone. Nor is THERE SALVATION IN ANY OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:11-12
“For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also wait for the SAVIOUR Master Yahushua HaMachiach / Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to himself.” Philippians 3:20-21
“And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise Him up at the last day” John 6:40
Salvation is through the precious blood shed blood and finished work of Yahushua/Jesus our Master, Saviour and Redeemer. King of Kings and Lord of Lords. All glory and honour belongs to Him and Him alone.
Amen
The problem is that people outside the Church will receive the teaching of heretics but not of Christ and His Church. So that puts the lie to such people claiming that Jesus is their lord.
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Love it! Thank you Fr Gregory!
You didn't really answer the prompt, instead you just provided a basic rundown of catholic soteriology, post Vatican 2. If the bounds of the invisible church are, as you say, unclear, then by definition so are those of the visible body
Awesome, father pine , merry Christmas
But what if an athiest shows more charity and love for others than a believer...isn't he closer to God than the believer? Remember the parable of the sheep and goats.
I think that means the atheist is closer to a truer believer in works than other so-called believers or struggling believers, not closer to God. Ultimately, there's nothing compelling an atheist to do so. They can be charitable or be selfish. Neither are right or wrong. Where faith differentiates these things is believing that goodness exists, that truth is more than concept but something quite tangible. When that faith is part of your life, then it connects you to that good, meaning it's harder to give up on charitable (or other virtues) say when challenges arrive. That's not to say believers don't have days of doubt or challenge, but that root faith connection to God can provide a steadier foundation in one's day to day lives, and that's before considering the broken bonds of sin and salvation from death by the accomplishment of Jesus Christ.
How does it matter if he doesn't love the God of all creation?
@@starfire451 If tax collectors and prostitutes can be closer to the kingdom of God than the Pharisees and Sadducees, why can't some athiests be closer to that kingdom than some who claim to be Catholic?
You're putting too much thought into this.
Atheism is a mortal sin. You do not receive merit for your works of charity in a state of mortal sin.
You are not saved by your works.
"...with rigor and vigor." Gonna start using that.
My salvation is thru Yeshua! It’s a personal relationship with the Holy Spirit!
Jesus in Hebrew
He told you to eat His flesh and drink His blood. If you love Him, you will obey Him!
“Personal relationship” not in bible
Yes we need a personal relationship with God. But does this give us licence to do what ever we desire ? Does not God direct our hearts and efforts to give him praise in a way that is most beneficial for us?
I have heard Catholic priests say no one outside the Catholic church is saved. I have heard Orthodox priests say no one outside the Orthodox church is saved including Roman Catholics. I have heard Protestant pastors say they are saved and all Catholics Roman and Orthodox are not. The Bible warns against judging, that is saying who will be saved and who will not. I think anyone who repents, has faith in Christ, and does his will can be saved. I would not say someone is not saved simply by the church they belong to.
What is difference between judging and predicting?
@@johnyang1420 One is definite and one is not.
You have no idea what you are talking about
1 Corinthians 6
1Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to be judged before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2 Know you not that the saints shall judge this world? And if the world shall be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know you not that we shall judge angels? how much more things of this world?
4 If therefore you have judgments of things pertaining to this world, set them to judge, who are the most despised in the church.
5 I speak to your shame. Is it so that there is not among you any one wise man, that is able to judge between his brethren?
The saints will judge the World and the Angels, if you are not judging them you have no Justice in you. and clearly not a saint.
Christ did say a bit more than that though - Mark 16:16 says we need to be baptised. Luke 13.3 says we have to repent and John 6:54 says we have to partake of the Eucharist and believe it is Christ's body and blood. All of these are administered in the Roman Catholic Church, via validly ordained priests but only the latter is truly believed by Catholics (by Orthodox too, but no one else).
Yes.
the Catholic Church alone is the Mystical Body of Christ, anyone who is validly baptized is connected to the Catholic Church if they suffer from invincible ignorance. However the Church has made very clear that those who refuse to enter into the Catholic Church because of any other reason BUT invincible ignorance will not be saved(Cantate Domino, etc…). Simple ignorance is not enough either, because you can be ignorant of your own fault and thus be damned, especially in this time of information.
Invincible ignorance isn't Ex Cathedra
the roman catholic church has so many dogmas that one has to accept that makes many not join it.
@christsavesreadromans1096
Quanto Conficiamur Moerore
On Promotion of False Doctrines
Pope BI. Pius IX - 1863
7. Here, too, our beloved sons and venerable brothers, it is again necessary to mention and censure a very grave error entrapping some Catholics who believe that it is possible to arrive at eternal salvation although living in error and alienated from the true faith and Catholic unity. Such belief is certainly opposed to Catholic teaching. There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace. Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments.
8. Also well known is the Catholic teaching that no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church. Eternal salvation cannot be obtained by those who oppose the authority and statements of the same Church and are stubbornly separated from the unity of the Church and also from the successor of Peter, the Roman Pontiff, to whom “the custody of the vineyard has been committed by the Savior.”[4] The words of Christ are clear enough: “If he refuses to listen even to the Church, let him be to you a Gentile and a tax collector;”[5] “He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me;”[6] “He who does not believe will be condemned;”[7] “He who does not believe is already condemned;”[8] “He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.”[9] The Apostle Paul says that such persons are “perverted and self-condemned;”[10] the Prince of the Apostles calls them “false teachers . . . who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master. . . bringing upon themselves swift destruction.”[11]
invincible ignorance only applies to those who are baptized, what u think is invincible ignorance is Pelagianism.
so no ur version of invincible ignorance is not de fide
Decrees of the First Vatican Council
Council Fathers - 1868 A.D.
I profess also that
there are seven sacraments of the new law,
truly and properly so called,
instituted by our lord Jesus Christ and
necessary for salvation,
though each person need not receive them all.
@christsavesreadromans1096COUNCIL OF TRENT
3. If any one asserts, that this sin of Adam,-which in its origin is one, and being transfused into all by propogation, not by imitation, is in each one as his own, -is taken away either by the powers of human nature, or by any other remedy than the merit of the one mediator, our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath reconciled us to God in his own blood, made unto us justice, santification, and redemption; or if he denies that the said merit of Jesus Christ is applied, both to adults and to infants, by the sacrament of baptism rightly administered in the form of the church; let him be anathema: For there is no other name under heaven given to men, whereby we must be [Page 23] saved. Whence that voice; Behold the lamb of God behold him who taketh away the sins of the world; and that other; As many as have been baptized, have put on Christ.
4. If any one denies, that infants, newly born from their mothers’ wombs, even though they be sprung from baptized parents, are to be baptized; or says that they are baptized indeed for the remission of sins, but that they derive nothing of original sin from Adam, which has need of being expiated by the laver of regeneration for the obtaining life everlasting,-whence it follows as a consequence, that in them the form of baptism, for the remission of sins, is understood to be not true, but false, -let him be anathema. For that which the apostle has said, By one man sin entered into the world, and by sin death, and so death passed upon all men in whom all have sinned, is not to be understood otherwise than as the Catholic Church spread everywhere hath always understood it. For, by reason of this rule of faith, from a tradition of the apostles, even infants, who could not as yet commit any sin of themselves, are for this cause truly baptized for the remission of sins, that in them that may be cleansed away by regeneration, which they have contracted by generation. For, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
5. If any one denies, that, by the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is conferred in baptism, the guilt of original sin is remitted; or even asserts that the whole of that which has the true and proper nature of sin is not taken away; but says that it is only rased, or not imputed; let him be anathema. For, in those who are born again, there is nothing that God hates; because, There is no condemnation to those who are truly buried together with Christ by baptism into death; who walk not according to the flesh, but, putting off the old man, and putting on the new who is created according to God, are made inno-[Page 24]cent, immaculate, pure, harmless, and beloved of God, heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ; so that there is nothing whatever to retard their entrance into heaven. But this holy synod confesses and is sensible, that in the baptized there remains concupiscence, or an incentive (to sin); which, whereas it is left for our exercise, cannot injure those who consent not, but resist manfully by the grace of Jesus Christ; yea, he who shall have striven lawfully shall be crowned. This concupiscence, which the apostle sometimes calls sin, the holy Synod declares that the Catholic Church has never understood it to be called sin, as being truly and properly sin in those born again, but because it is of sin, and inclines to sin.
CANON IX.-If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema.
Finally! This is the first time I've heard any Catholic say what I've been saying. Except he said it 427,000 times better.
Today some Evangelists said I will go to hell because I am Catholic. Today is Christmas. That was their Christmas greeting for me.
They are just as wrong, as the catholics saying protestants will go to hell, because they are protestant.
@@JezielProdigalSon Thanks for your comment. They actually scared me. I only wish to be faithful to God in the first place. And sometimes it is hard to know what God wants.
Christ's Mass
@@serafinatruth4029 I am protestant and i will say to you: God bless you and merry christmas.
Welcome to how it feels to be a a God fearing Protestant in Catholic circles.
Is it right to think that non-catholics could be saved by God's grace, but having been saved they will have to be catholic in heaven?
Not only Catholics are saved but everyone who is saved is Catholic.
@@markushill8639 But not Roman Catholic
Yes, everyone in heaven is catholic cause they will see God and know God, thus the revealed truth.
@@Wgaither1Roman Catholics too
If Catholicism is true, I suppose so.
POPE BENEDICT XVI: “Members of the Church should not feel jealousy, but should rejoice if someone from outside the community does good in the name of Christ...”
The pope quoted St. Augustine, 4-5th century saint: “Just as one can find that which is not Catholic in the Catholic Church, one can also find something that may be Catholic outside of the Catholic Church.”
This, the Pope said, is what Jesus wishes to explain to his disciples, that “good and even miraculous things” can happen outside their circle when others “cooperate with the Kingdom of God” even in small gestures such as “offering a simple glass of water to a missionary.”
POPE BENEDICT XVI: “The tendency toward jealousy can exist within the Church when Catholics resent holiness and goodness being attained by non-Catholics. Instead we should all be able to always appreciate and respect each other, praising the Lord when he acts in the Church and in the world.”
What a clear and acceptable statement of what BELIEF is all about- those who believe anything will believe anything. And all faiths/creeds/religions flow therefrom. And good luck with that!!! Have a good day. Have a good eternity.
I'm Catholic and believe that it is the church of Jesus. But nowhere in the Bible does it say you need to be Catholic to be saved. The way to the Father is through Jesus. As long as you accept Jesus Christ as the Lord and Savior and repent from your sins. It doesn't matter what Christian denomination you are, you will be saved.
Saying you need to be Catholic to be saved is like saying Jesus' sacrifice wasn't enough to pay the price of sin and that's just not true.
All you need to do is accept Jesus and repent. Nothing else will save you.
Praise God that you believe the Catholic church was founded by Jesus. It is very biblical to believe that salvation comes from Christ through the church. Take Jesus giving the keys to Peter, the first Pope. Jesus is not establishing multiple Christian religions, but THE Christian religion that began with Peter and the apostles. The second example I give is Luke 18:8. Jesus asks when He comes again will he find faith on earth. Not “faiths” but faith. There is but one faith. Even if you are a baptist you are free to believe a multitude of things via your own biblical interpretation. That means everyone has multiple faiths, but not the one true Faith which only that Catholic Church has. This to me was a good starting point to figure out the Church has the fullness of salvation.
@Viva Cristo Rey then how can an infant be Catholic when they are too little to believe in these dogmas
Jesus said to his disciples "He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."
So yes you need to have faith in Jesus, yes you need to have his sacrifice applied to you through baptism, but also you need to hear and accept the gospel, as given by the apostles.
They passed down doctrine, they gave us the basic form of the liturgy and the seasons of the Christian calander ect.
"Go ye therefore baptizing all nations... he who believes and is baptized will be saved, he who believes not will be damned"
Do you believe the Gospel that the apostles preached and handed down?
@@Wgaither1 it's not a matter of knowing every single line of dogma and teaching, it's about not rejecting the faith that was handed down.
Babies or severely retarded people do not need positive knowledge of Jesus or the gospel, faith is still given by baptism. No one can however reject the faith that was handed down. We call this dogma or doctrine. Such as the doctrine that Jesus was not just a man but was the incarnet son of God. We can have disagreements about some things, like the exact nature of angels or something. But some things are matters of faith, which if you reject you reject the faith and we are given these doctrines from the apostles. They've been handed down unchanged from the beginning.
@@TheWavelengthStudios definitely believe what the apostles preached, not what the Roman Catholic Church teaches
If I weren't Catholic, I'd look for the Church that the world despises, for the world despised Jesus, and he would be there. - Fulton Sheen
Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me.". Things seemed to be going pretty well. That is until Jesus said “For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood,dwelleth in me, and I in him.” This was too much for many of his disciples and “From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.” Jesus turns to the 12 and asks, “Will ye also go away? Vs 61, Jesus did not back down, for He said, "Does this offend you?" it offends protestants. They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.
Jn 20:21, "As the Father has sent Me, I also send you."
Jn 17:18, "Even as thou hast sent Me into the world, so I have sent them into the world."
Jn 17:22-23, "And the glory that thou hast given Me, I have given to
Matt. 28, 18-20: And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye, therefore. and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Jesus says to the crowd, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved." But in reference to the same people, Jesus immediately follows with "He who does not believe will be condemned." This demonstrates that one can be baptized and still not be a believer. This disproves the Protestant argument that one must be a believer to be baptized. There is nothing in the Bible about a "believer's baptism."
"Accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior," or "Ask Jesus into your heart" isn't the biblical answer.
It’s important to be saved from hell, damnation, and the stain of original sin, but what are we saved for? We are saved for union with Christ. Our salvation began when we were born again through baptism and God’s own Divine Life was restored in our souls, making us like Adam and Eve were in the Garden before the Original (first) Sin. As we go through life, we are united with Christ through the Sacraments he left as gifts for us, especially through Penance (forgiveness of our sins committed since Baptism) and the Eucharist (partaking of God’s own Life, His own Divine Nature, 2 Peter 1:4) - until that day when we are truly united with Him in heaven.
Scripture teaches that one’s final salvation depends on the state of the soul at death. As Jesus himself tells us, "He who endures to the end will be saved" (Matt. 24:13; cf. 25:31-46). One who dies in the state of friendship with God (the state of grace) will go to heaven. The one who dies in a state of rebellion against God (the state of mortal sin) will go to hell. (For the teaching on venial (non-deadly) and mortal (deadly) sins, see 1 John 5:16-17)
What I must do to be saved:
*I must be baptized with water and the Spirit. Mark 16:16, John 3:3-5, Titus 3:5, I Peter 3:20-21. (Exceptions: [1] If I desire Baptism but die before I can be baptized with water and the Spirit, God accepts my desire to be baptized, and [2] If I am killed (martyred) because of my faith, but I have not had the opportunity to be baptized, God accepts my death as my baptism, called the Baptism of Blood).
* I must do the will of God the Father. Matthew 7:21
* I must keep the Commandments of God. Matthew 5:19-20, Matthew 7:21, Matthew 19:17, 1 Timothy 6:14, and others.
* I must accept the Cross (suffering). Matthew 10:38, Matthew 16:24-25, Mark 8:34, Luke 9:23, Luke 14:27. Phil 1:29, and others.
* I must be a member of God's true church. Acts 2:46-47.
* I must confess my sins. James 5:16, I John 1:9, John 20:19-23
* I must heed the words of St. Peter, the first Pope. Acts 11:13-14, Acts 15:7.
* I must eat the flesh and drink the blood of Jesus Christ. John 6:51-58, I Corinthians 10:16-17, 11:23-30.
* I must do unto others as I would have them do unto me and love my neighbor as myself. I must feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, clothe the naked, visit the sick and those in prison or give other aid to those in need. Luke 10:33 ff, Mt 25:31-46. "Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are very pleasing to God" Hebrews 13:16. Good works don’t save us, but we will be judged by them.
*I must strive to be holy. "Strive for peace with everyone and for that holiness without which no one will see the Lord." Hebrews 12:14
*I must endure (persevere) to the end. Matthew 10:22, Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13.
And ... ? What else must I do?
Catechism
#432 The name "Jesus" signifies that the very name of God is present in the person of his Son, made man for the universal and definitive redemption from sins. It is the divine name that alone brings salvation, and henceforth all can invoke his name, for Jesus united himself to all men through his Incarnation, so that "there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."😜😜
A fourteen minute video that coudla been just a "no". 🤣
@Kate Moore fair enough
Do I understand correctly that no marriage consecrated outside of the Roman Catholic Church is valid ? Does it follow that my parents, wrongly believing themselves to have been united as husband and wife by the United Methodist Church, now both in their 90s, have lived in sin and fornication for sixty years and all of their children are illegitimate ?
no the Church will accept them, depending on certain principles.
Fr Pine.
I do enjoy and learn from your presentations. So thank you.
I think it would be marvellous if you could refute the claim of universalists, including David Bentley Hart, that 'all will be saved'. By saying 'will' these people go much further than the Catholic Balthasar did.
The universalists are surely right in saying that, because we humans only live for a finite time, our sins can only be finite in number, severity and effect, and so an eternal, ie, infinite damnation, cannot be a just punishment. Justice, in human and humanly rational terms, has to involve proportion. That is, punishment has to be proportional to the number and gravity of sins committed. And as Hart points out, it is hard to imagine that a person doing something grievously sinful does it willingly and in full knowledge that it will condemn him forever. Such a person is acting and 'saying' that good is evil. And this is obviously wrong/irrational. Isn't such a person crazy? And crazy people, when they do crazily sinful things, are not acting sinfully because they lack adequate awareness and consent.
So it seems to be that the universalist position is arguable.
How say you??
If you can answer this one I will send you a wonderful bottle of shiraz:)
I have sympathy with universalism, namely in that at its best it desires to be a merciful position. God is merciful, and therefore there is something emotionally compelling about the idea all might be saved.
However, no one could dogmatically say that it is certain all men will be saved - nor that certainly only few will be saved. Opinion is far too divided on that point in the Tradition. Both sides have many quotes in their favors.
Moreover, there is only one factor about which there is true uncertainty regarding any man's salvation, and that is his own will. But it is such a crucial factor that certitude depends partly on knowing the will of every man, and only God knows this for sure. Even the individual, while he may know his will better than anyone other than God, still has factors outside of himself, such that he cannot be 100% sure of his disposition to God.
So the salvation of any man, and therefore of all men, really does rest foremost in 2 things: 1) with the Mercy of God, which is certain, and 2) with man's will to receive Divine Mercy.
The second point is the one Christ always stresses as of infinite importance to us. And that's my takeaway, no doctrine one way nor the other.
@@HolyKhaaaaan That's interesting Holy Khan, thank you. In his book, Hart gets pretty close to the Socratic position I think: that virtue=knowledge. So any wrongful, we would say sinful, act, is due to lack of knowledge/understanding. DBH seems to think that there is something wrong with our minds when we choose to sin. He does not go as far as saying that this means that we do not sin because we cannot sin, but he does say that an ultimate choice for evil over good cannot be rational. As the title of his book suggests, DBH takes the position that all souls will be saved. Of course, practically all souls must endure more or less time in purgatory (or hell) before salvation. DBH is a serious intellect, and both in the book 'That all shall be saved' and in his NT translation, including the notes, he mounts a pretty strong defence of the universalist position. It's not just a case of which bits of holy scripture one selects for emphasis, but looking, as Hart does, at the etymology of key terms in the selections that each side relies upon.
@Christopher Coney: very well argued. I shall be very surprised if your queries will be satisfactorily answered in such a way that will require you to hand over the bottle of shiraz any time soon.
Very helpful
As a Protestant I have had several sedevacantists or rad trad types say I am not saved. I point to Vatican 2 teaching "separated brethren", recognized baptism if done in proper Trinitarian formula etc. and they say this is modernist teaching and or Vatican 2 is just pastoral or something (not theologically binding).
Sedevacantists and some rad trads do not recognize the validity of Vatican II. So quoting the council documents will get you nowhere. Also keep in mind that some rad trads and sedevacantists are feenyites. Who deny the baptism of desire , which is heretical.
Adam I thinks Vatican two said In ways only known to God He gives ALL MEN THE GRACE TO BE SAVED ALSO HERE IS THE BIG ONE THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT THE GREAT RESTORATION GOD SAYS AT THE END OF TIME I WILL DRAW ALL THINGS BACK TO MYSELF. JESUS DIDN'T FAIL ON THE CROSS HIS FINAL WORDS MEANT PAID IN FULL I HEARD A CATHOLIC PRIEST SAY THAT ONE GOOD FRIDAY BLESS YOU 🏴🙏
You have a duty seek and accept the truth. Once you open to the truth, the natural conclusion will lead you into Christ's visible Church. You do not have invincible ignorance.
I have already studied and sought whether Roman Catholicism is "the truth " and after 11 years of diligent study my conscience, intellect, prayer etc. All still tells me exclusive Roman Catholic claims i.e the papacy, infallibility and RC as "the one true church with the fullness of the truth and faith" is false. The trick in the official Catholic language is that it says paraphrase anyone "knowing" that the Catholic Church is "the one true church" and refuses to enter in. Obviously the truthfullness of the claims is the very thing in question so a Non Catholic Christian Obviously wouldn't "know" because they don't believe those things to be true...your reference to "invincibly ignorant" is something different altogether not particularly relevant to what I'm discussing.
The idea among catholics that protestants can be saved is not unique to the Vatican II period despite gaining popularity after Vatican II. I had a religion book in high school published in the 1920's that said Protestants can be saved on account of what they do believe in catholic teaching.
“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.”
(Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)
yup this dude is a modernist, hopefully he doesnt allow eucharistic abuses to happen at his church
How can there be salvation for someone who doesn’t have faith in Jesus, if it’s by Jesus we are saved?
I’m encouraged to hear an actual Catholic teach historic Catholicism. And I equally thankfully that I am not a Catholic. Faith through grace in Christ alone for the glory of God alone.
Try RCIA…..you will be delighted
“All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.”
2 Timothy 3:16-17 NASB1995
I’ll stick to what God says
You need a lesson in logic. If you reject the Faith of the apostolic Church, and cling to a newly invented 'faith' which blatantly contradicts the historic Faith, how can this other 'faith' save you as it would be false by definition?
@@CCiPencil Except that you don't accept reproof or correction or training in righteousness, do you? You have no doubt made some heretic, or some group of heretics, or your own self the standard of orthodoxy, and nowhere does it say "in the Bible" that you can do this. The Bible says that Jesus established the one Church to teach the one Faith to all nations. The Bible does not say to "read the Bible" and come up with your own interpretations which contradict Christ's Church, does it? It says that the Church is the "pillar and bulwark of truth," not you, not Martin Luther, not Pastor Billy Bob, not some idiotic anti-Catholic website, etc.
@@MillionthUsername I don’t fear your words or your teachings cause I have the Holy Spirit in dwelling within me. He enables me to understand the simple and clear teachings found within His words. His word also teaches that the Church isn’t just a physical institution but a spiritual one made up of all believers. The Church is the body of Christ, not some legalistic, pharisaical man made institution. Repent of your your “church’s” false teachings and follow Christ not some “vicar”.
Perhaps Father Pine could comment on the possibilities, or lack thereof, for infants who die unbaptized. It appears that the Council of Florence consigns them to damnation: "The souls of those who depart this life in actual mortal sin, or in original sin alone, go down straightaway to hell to be punished, but with unequal pains."
This is a wicked teaching that caused many pain and despair or hundreds of years.
There's Limbo. It's a place that certain mystics have seen where children kind of go in waiting. There has to be as I understand a type of baptism that occurs, but yes. They go home.
@@hopefull61256 that a true teaching, you cannot by any means widen the road to Salvation, your comment disgusts me.
@@Ian-dn6ld Limbo is in Hell
@@sleepystar1638 so countless babies are in hell?
Can 2 on baptism council of trent: "if anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and therefore reduces to some sort of metaphor the words of our lord Jesus Christ: "unless one is reborn of water and the spirit" let him be anathema
"If anyone holds that some are able to come to the grace of baptism through God's mercy, but others through their own free will, one shows that one has departed from the correct faith. For one does not acknowledge that free will is corrupted in such a way that one cannot attain salvation on his own, without divine revelation" can 8 on grace second council of orange (from st augustine)
"In any necessity whatsoever (baptism) so that it not redound the loss of our soul if, after those who desire it are denied the font of salvation, when he departs this world, loses both his life and the kingdom of heaven." Pope Siricus
"She firmly believes, professes and preaches that "none of those who are outside the catholic church, not only pagans(muslims)" but also Jews, heretics, and schismatics (orthodox) can become sharers of eternal life, but they will go into eternal fire "that was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before the end of their life they are joined to her. And the unity of the church is of such great importance that the churches sacraments are beneficial toward salvation only for those who remain within her, and only for them do fasts, almsgiving and other acts of piety and exercises of Christian discipline bring forth eternal rewards. "No one can be saved, no matter how many alms he has given, and even if he sheds his blood for the name of christ unless he remains in the bosom and unity of the catholic church" council of Florence dogmatic bull cantata domino.
Sounds like the council of Trent damned millions of people to hell. Thank God Vatican 2 overturned that lol
friend they think that the water portion is only related to water baptism, this one for Sacraments is better.
Trent
Sacraments
If any one saith, that by the said sacraments of the New Law grace is not conferred through the act performed, but that faith alone in the divine promise suffices for the obtaining of grace; let him be anathema.
also the Dimonds are very good Theologians but they are still Heretics.
Based.
Peter Diamond vs Greggory Pine let’s go.
Dimond, no “a” in there. But yes, that would be a great debate.
I am always shocked that no one really goes to the dogmatic teaching on this subject found in the Council of Florance where it is decreed that even if one sheds their blood outside the Church they will not be saved. One must be a part of the Church as the Council dogmatically declares.
But did the apostles teach this dogma, that was declared at the council of Florence?
@@Wgaither1 The Apostles did teach it. Read 1 Peter
The teaching isn't wrong, anyone who dies in a state of grace is dying in the Church. In the gospels we see this with the thief on the cross, who at the last hour was incorporated into the family and redeemed.
@@Wgaither1 the Church has teaching authority to through the Holy Spirit to declare dogma
@@CigarLovingCatholic sorry I couldn’t find it
Around 9:30 he said that we need “faith but a living faith (charity)” he then describes charity (its seems) as a distinct and higher form of grace over and above faith. My understanding is that all three of the theological virtues (faith and charity being discussed here) are equal forms of condescending grace. Am I understanding this correctly (from the Catholic perspective)? Are they equal in power and substance?
Faith AND Charity. Amen 🕊️
I’ll save you the time of the entire video. Yes. Yes you do.
Yes I do believe in the catholic dogma that you have to become catholic to gain salvation.but also have to be in state of Grace.
So I guess millions of Protestants are going to Hell then?
@David Phillips cheery
@David Phillips wrong
@@solidsnake497 lol Jesus Promised the holy Spirit would be with us forever, not 1500 years later
yes
So long as the east and west remain split, there is no basis for the argument that one must be Roman Catholic to be saved. The eastern church has just as valid, if not more compelling claim to be "the one true church" as the west. May we all pray for the reunion of the full body of Christ, at which point there will be no excuse for remaining outside the visible body of Christ.
yeah this priest is a heretic
Schism is sin. The patriarchs of the eastern church persist in schism. Without the pope, they’ve become licentious and each contradict each other in teachings.
Rev 21:12 - And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Something to consider - none of the 12 gates above are named after any Christian denomination of which there are approximately some 45,000 or any world religion.
Our citizenship is in Heaven (Phil. 3:20) and our identity is in Christ not in a denomination.
Galatians 3:28
“There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.”
Galatians 3
29 And if you be Christ's, then are you the seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise
Christians are the New Jews
Yes
Yes indeed!
I think W. C. Fields would've liked this. A noted atheist, friends were surprised to discover Fields on his deathbed searching through the Bible. He explained: “I'm looking for a loophole.”
Salvation comes through Jesus Christ alone. The "narrow gate" is Jesus Christ; not the pope, not a certain priest, not a specific church denomonation. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life!
Amen
See point 1 only God saves..but mediums of salvation are important too. God could save only football players if he wanted to. That doesn't mean football is the primary means of salvation its secondary. In a similar way God chooses to save those that accept him and his teachings (the church). Reject the church and there is no salvation.
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus has since been reformulated during Vat 2 to mean “all salvation is by Christ the head through the Church which is his body.” We take the doctrine out of its historical context. Jesus came first and foremost to redeem human nature itself (Romans 5:18), not necessarily you as a private individual, and you are grafted onto a redeemed nature by joining the church through baptism, dying and being born again, becoming part of the Body of Christ, whether explicitly or implicitly. Being a part of the church is necessary because it is the way God chose to communicate his grace to the world, for instance seen in the great commission given to the apostles. The church is often compared with the Ark in the flood, nothing survived in the watery chaos of the world outside this Ark, which was ordained by God and build upon a man.
@Killian Miller yes I agree. All of those who are true believers in Christ and have been born again in His Holy Spirit ARE the body of Christ. We ARE the church. Catholic, protestant, non-denominational, etc are all branches from the same vine. Jesus Christ is the vine. We are all connected and we are all part of the body of Christ (those who are Christians anyways).
The church needs unity in Christ. Let us not focus on those small places we disagree, and instead come together as brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus.
Indeed, I’d just propose that we come together under the Roman Pontiff, being united to the church called “Catholic,” meaning “according to the whole.” I think whatever unity we may have as Christians of various denominations is somewhat superfluous and kind of syncretistic without some governing authority that has the power to actually settle the truth on faith and morals per Matthew 18:17. If two baptized Christians can’t agree on the nature of the church, whether a Protestant or a Catholic ecclesiology, who is right, what did Jesus intend?
I don’t think the church is a merely invisible reality, it is also necessarily visible. We humans are both body and soul, and so it’s fitting that the kingdom of God on earth and our communion with it ought to be “body and soul” too, since Jesus came to redeem us completely.
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Yes, as is the will of the one, true only God: the Father Who willed it, the Son Who instituted it, and The Holy Ghost Who guides His one, only true Church.
Considering Catholicism didn't exist during the time of Christ I feel like the answer is no
the Root word for Catholic is in the Bible in the original Greek, because the word Catholic is Greek for Universal, but your too ignorant to even understand the meaning, and its significance.
Jesus founded the CC Matt 16:18
@@geoffjs you argue like a Muslim. Are you gonna tell me Jesus started Islam too?
@@sleepystar1638 While the word Catholic has an original root definition, the modern use of the word Catholic has the connotation of the Roman church that cannot be separated. If you were more honest you wouldn't have to attack me in your defense.
@@ninjason57 all the work Jesus did was to establish a church not a book, your entire faith is lukewarm.
The mystical body of Christ is his Church and his Church is the Catholic Church. There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism, which means there there is one Church
3:49 "Now salvation, salvation in Christ, salvation is in the church"
That's not grounded in scripture, more a slide of hand. Sorry, NO
Christ is the savior of his body "the Church"
This is in scripture
@@MZONE991 yes, and scripture even more often mentions *personal faith* like Joh 3:16, 2Cor5:20 a.o.
@@MZONE991 technically, Christ saves individuals, whosoever beliefs in Him, and the saved makes up the body.
Christ doesn't save the body, the body is already saved.
Yes, is is the saviour of the body, in the perfect tense.
For non-believers, the church is not the solution, but Christ in Scripture and faith through the Holy Spirit.
Then, the believer is joined into, becomes a member of the body.
Precise theology is important.
I have to be christian tobe saved
What do you even mean by this? All Catholics are Christians, but not all Christians are Catholics.
No, you have to be Christian. And confess out loud to Jesus that you believe he is the son of God. I did that 32 years ago, crying my soul out. The following morning I saw him pointing at me in the sky. Gigantic! I knew I was saved. He has been with me all the way. It having been easy! Cancer, lost my career as an engineer, money problems, family discord, parent death, cheating. To mention a few
What do you think about Native Americans before Columbus brought Christianity to this continent? We’re they all damned because they never confessed Christ is the Lord and the son of God?
NAEMI, praise God! Thanks for sharing this testimony. I love hearing remarkable testimony from folks. I was an alcoholic and I cried out to the Lord Jesus Christ and He delivered me, healed me saved me from sure death. Sober for years now by God's grace, He literally took the desire from me.
That's cool, but I will trust the opinion of the Church founded by Jesus Christ more than some random guy on TH-cam
@@illyrian9976 there is nothing in Scripture or even in 1st century that proves this oft repeated claim by Roman Catholics that Jesus created or intended this Roman Catholic Church" to be the "one true church" that he founded.
@@Adam-ue2ig Then where is the church that St. Paul talks about? Where are the succesors of the apostles? For sure not in protestantism, that for one is certain.
The One Holy, and Apostolic Catholic Church. That which is holy cannot be made unholy, no matter who is in charge of the earthly house,God controls the Ghost. St. John the Beloved, pray for us.
I will say Unam Sanctum and "it is absolutely necessary for salvation for every creature to be subject to the Roman pontiff " which seems to meet the infallible pronouncement criteria and language we define declare pronounce is not reconcilabe to Vatican 2 language and attempts to reconcile strike me as mental gymnastics and anachronistically redefining/interpreting history to smooth over the edges.
I agree. Michael Lofton' attempts in Reason & Theology were unpersuasive, as it embraced faulty hermeneutical principals, and ahistorical rewriting of the author's intended message.
That being said, the only consistent position for a Catholic then is sedevacantist position and or a rejection of vatican.
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Those sede or rad trad types that reject the "modernist vatican 2 teaching" then have ironically become the Protestants within their own church while simultaneously trying to essentially condem Protestants. Not a good look.
@@Adam-ue2ig I haven't read the Vatican II documents in detail to know how much of the teachings are considered infallible versus simply authoritative, but as a fellow protestant I would more or less agree with you. I believe the only path forward to church unity is for the pope/magisterium to recognize their fallibility on matters of doctrine. They can do so without disclaiming what they believe to be their rightful seat of leadership within the church, as the seat of Peter.
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Post Vatican Two modernist nonsense! Never once did you mention the DOGMA -- defined three times! -- that outside the church there is no salvation! Never once! Merry Christmas...
He did, he stated it in both english and latin at the beginning.
@@christopherconey732 Nope, he never said it was a DOGMA. That is what sets opinion from something that is defined and required to be believed by all Catholics.
@@genedelalla8119 if you deny v2 keep cosplaying my dude
@@jonathandavid3480 Do you deny Vat 1, a dogmatic council? Or how about Trent, another dogmatic council? Was Vat 2 dogmatic? No. Even the conciliar popes indicated that... Merry Christmas!
@@genedelalla8119 I deny no councils
The short answer is Yes.
@sophia stone did you even listen to his talk???
@sophia stone Okay, I understand.
And the even shorter answer is No.
God Forgives and Loves EveryOne! Jesus Taught..Lived and Died to teach us the principle of Forgiveness..the Highest form of Love. When You Forgive you are Saved and Freed and it is the quickest Way to Peace! 😇 That is why Jesus Said..on the Cross “Father..Forgive them..for they know not what they do.” We ALL don’t know what we do..to one degree or another. Forgiveness is the Only Solution! 😊
Well, not everyone, that would be universalism
@@EmberBright2077 I know Christians think only they will be Saved..but God Will Save whoever He Chooses! God is God and we are Not! I prefer to believe everyone is Loved and Forgiven.
@@kathleenwharton2139 Except for Jesus explicitly saying that he alone is the way, and the stated importance of the great commission, and Jesus explaining how the way to the kingdom of heaven is a narrow gate, and Jesus explaining in great detail the kinds of people that will be cast into hell. God is God, but he can't actually choose arbitrarily. That would be breaking his own laws and thus a flaw in his holiness.
@@EmberBright2077 you Need to read your Bible again and this time read about Jesus. He Healed..Loved and Forgave EveryOne and He tells us to Do the Same. He Loved Samaritans (Isrealites most hated enemies)..centurions servant..Roman soldiers..prostitutes..lepers..etc. he Came to Save Sinners from the self-righteous (that would be you). Christians are the New Pharisees. We are All Sinners Saved by Gods Grace. Hell is for those that believe in it! Judge Not..that you not be judged.
@@kathleenwharton2139 I fail to see how the examples you provide are in contradiction with mine. Jesus did all those things, and also called people to repent, and warned them very firmly about hell.
Also, Jesus did not come to save sinners from the self righteous (I also don't know why you're calling me that), he came to save them from their sin.
Also if hell is for those who believe in it, then not only does that contradict the idea that no one is going to hell, but it also implies that all atheists are saved and almost all Christians are condemned. That's a little bit strange.
As for the often misunderstood "judge not lest ye be judged", I don't know why you're bringing that up since judgement has nothing to do with the conversation, but not only is this quote contextualised by explaining the actual problem (hypocritical judgement), it is also a quote by the same man who commanded us to judge with righteous judgement, and it is also the same man who judged people all the time, and has stated that in his second coming, he will come to judge the world.
Revelation 18:4
Sorry. What was the answer to the question posed in the title? This was impossible for me to grasp.
I think the answer is you have a better chance of being save if you’re in the Catholic Church rather than outside. It is best to be a member of Christ’s Body, the Church rather than be apart from Him. Rejecting the Church would be rejecting Jesus Himself because the Church is His Body Col1:18 and in Scripture John 14:6 Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. Since the Church is Christ’s Body and Jesus is the Head then the Church would also be the way, the pillar of truth 1Tim3:15, and the life John15:5
So yes?
I sincerely listened and I’ve been reading and learning Scripture my entire 45 years of life, I grew up in the “Church.” So anyway coming from a non-Catholic Christian congregation.
Im not sure if I understand this explanation.
Basically, I don’t understand this explanation.
The question of can one be saved if they reject the Catholic Church?
If one willfully rejects the truth, thus are willfully ignorant they are not saved. Christianity can only be understood properly by viewing both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. Sacred Tradition refers to the beliefs the early church (pre-Bible) had and onward. These were written down in the Didache, which is the first Catechism and it predates the Bible more than 200 years and was taught by the first Christians. ‘The Word of God’ is one of Christ’ titles and Sacred Tradition refers to the teachings the early Christians had. The letters and writings that the early Church put together in the 3rd century were spread across regions and nobody held them together. The original doctrines of Christ’ apostles were taught verbally. When the Bible was put together by a Church that already dubbed itself ‘Catholic’ or “Universal” it was, as writings tell us, put together so that it was in line with an Orthodox teaching that was already established by then. The Consecration of the Eucharist, confession, Formation, Apostolic Succesion, veneration of Mary,… was already practiced back then according to historical letters from that time. The Bible was put together by Christians that believed in these doctrines and they picked the books of The Bible so that there was no conflict. ‘But why is the word consecration not in the Bible?’ Well, because the Bible was never put together to be a religious handbook for believers. The Bible is not the manual of Christianity, the Cathechism is. The Didache, which is again way older than the Bible, was the first Catechism of the Catholic Church.
can you provide the link to the specific Godsplaining episode you referenced?
found it! th-cam.com/video/N91s5Hukmgs/w-d-xo.html
Islam also teaches that only Muslims will be saved and that those who reject or die outside of Islam will suffer torments in eternal hellfire, as graphically described in the Qur'an. Now it's certainly possible that either or both Christianity or Islam could be wrong about their respective scenarios, but it's for sure that they can't both be right.
Go watch the information they receive during exorcisms demons aren’t reacting to Islam teaching or Buddhism they’re reacting to Christianity and Jesus his name brings power every priest or even preachers their faith strengthens because of this because they see the power of Jesus. Islam has nothing to compare with that
@@Scourge112 In the Muslim world, where they also have "exorcisms", so-called demons react to Muslim iconography. Not true that Jesus and Christianity are the only game in town when it comes to the phenomenon of so called "possession", which manifests in other cultures besides ours.
is salvation an event or a process, and why is salvation, presented in three grammatical tenses....past, present, and future...
Did you listen to the surmon of St Luis de Marie
If You Forgive..You are Saved from Hell! Jesus IS Forgiveness. He Taught..Lived and Died to Show us how Important this Principle is!
No such thing as Baptism of Desire or Baptism of Blood
Council of Florence
Ex Cathedra
It firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the catholic church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the catholic church before the end of their lives; that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed his blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and the unity of the catholic church.
There are still some things im iffy about...like the veneration of icons and marry, the rosary, prayers to the saints or intercession of the saints, purgatory...but the eucharist, im begging to believe more and more i just gotta read into it more.
With that being said, i was a catholic as a kid, did my own thing, then Protestant, now im wondering about Catholicism and orthodoxy. So then, am i saved if i stay in Protestant? I feel like i wont be.
My thought is that as long as the church is split between east and west that you don’t. As a Protestant I’m very open to orthodox faith but have some problems such as the canon, the necessity of intercession. Tho if the west and east joined undoubtably I’d leave Protestantism but immediately but I’d say to say it’s better to 5:31 take your time on making decisions and research. Being ignorant (not in a rude way) for the sake of urgency isn’t really what the Bible teaches which is what we promote when we say that if you aren’t a part of my church then you are saved.
@@dezznutts1197 I'm having a tough time understanding your comment. You're saying that I don't switch churches unless I've done enough research, right?
And are you saying that one isn't saved if they aren't of a certain church?
@@gordo13371 I’m saying you should study and understand the church you’re joining before converting. And I think that the true church isn’t here right now because it is divided from ortho, Catholic, Protestant, oriential, Assyrian. So I don’t think people can say salvation is based on if you are Catholic, orthodox, Protestant.
Christianity can only be understood properly by viewing both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. Sacred Tradition refers to the beliefs the early church (pre-Bible) had and onward. These were written down in the Didache, which is the first Catechism and it predates the Bible more than 200 years and was taught by the first Christians. ‘The Word of God’ is one of Christ’ titles and Sacred Tradition refers to the teachings the early Christians had. The letters and writings that the early Church put together in the 3rd century were spread across regions and nobody held them together. The original doctrines of Christ’ apostles were taught verbally. When the Bible was put together by a Church that already dubbed itself ‘Catholic’ or “Universal” it was, as writings tell us, put together so that it was in line with an Orthodox teaching that was already established by then. The Consecration of the Eucharist, confession, Formation, Apostolic Succesion, veneration of Mary,… was already practiced back then according to historical letters from that time. The Bible was put together by Christians that believed in these doctrines and they picked the books of The Bible so that there was no conflict. ‘But why is the word consecration not in the Bible?’ Well, because the Bible was never put together to be a religious handbook for believers. The Bible is not the manual of Christianity, the Cathechism is. The Didache, which is again way older than the Bible, was the first Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Everyone wants to be righteous, and know because they have accepted certain dogmas or participate in a certain organization that they will be saved. Who am I to know? But it seems clear to me that, Catholic, Christian, or otherwise, if one loves and seeks goodness, and loves others as much as his or herself, then they have followed Jesus’ commandments. Those two alone are enough of a challenge to really live, every day, than any rites or professions of belief, which appear to me a means to the ends. It’s a sort of extrapolated legalism that obfuscates a message of profound simplicity and challenge. I’m not arguing that scholarship and study are unimportant, nor that all roads lead to Rome, but we can confuse our cart for the road.
We don't by the use of our reason figure out what saves us. Jesus told his apostles very clearly what saves us: "go therefore to all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father and the son and the holy spirit, he who believes and is baptized will be saved, he who believes not will be damned"
So all those who rejected what the apostles taught and were not baptized were damned. And we will be damned if we do not follow the teachings of Jesus as he gave it to his apostles.
Hope this helps!
There’s what the apostles taught, and then there is what later thinkers added. How do we separate added wisdom from added complication?
@@NathanPK that's a good question and many saints have answered, that doctrine is giving by God to christ, and christ to the apostles and from the apostles to the bishops throughout the centuries.
They teach that this "doctrine" (think divinity of jesus, or the trinity) is always stated as the same, in the same way and in the same sense.
The teaching of jesus doesn't change, and when you study doctrine you can see that it doesn't change. It remains unchanged, but obviously questions about that doctrine come up that need clarification. And based on scripture and tradition the church guards the understanding of the doctrine when these questions come up. I can give examples if you like.
I hope this helps
That’s a kind offer. I wouldn’t ask you to try to type a whole essay into here, but if you have a hyperlink to an example, I will read it.
@@NathanPK one example is the doctrine of the trinity. So the apostles handed down the teaching of the divinity of Christ and the worship of the father the son and the holy spirit. That was apparent in liturgical rites of mass and baptism and orders right from the get go. There were however apocryphal writings, basically fake gospels written by heretics that seemed to claim that there were 3 Gods, there were also people who claimed that Jesus and the holy spirit were not God as well as several other misunderstandings. The problem is the tradition told the fathers that the three persons were God but also they didn't worship three God's. Scripture gives evidence for this, but it doesn't spell it out exactly.
So the bishops of the various churches got together and discussed the issue and wrote to all the bishops stating what the trinity is and what it's not. See dionysius letter from 259, or the council of nicea or damasus I to all the eastern bishops 366. It took several centuries and several councils to root out the errors that came up just on this one topic. It also took several centuries for the bishops to get together and say exactly what books were scripture, and what books were phony nonsense.
As you can see this isn't a small issue. If a person doesn't believe that Jesus, is the incarnate son of God, one in being with the father and the holy spirit, that man doesn't have the faith. Jesus told us to believe in him and his word and if the bishops didn't sort out what books contained his word and which books came up by evil men who wanted to twist the truth we would all be in the dark because at this point we wouldn't even have the holy Bible to refer to.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity
You can probably see
It's worth fighting for. So party on haha
As per the classic "The Meaning of Grace" by Cardinal Charles Journet: Anthropologists tell us that, surprisingly, half the people who ever lived were born before Christ. They figure it amounts to about 50 billion souls! Strict EENS would mean that all of them outside the Mosaic Law were automatically doomed. That would be equivalent to the heresy of Calvin's "UNconditioned predestination and reprobation." It would in turn be a denial of one of God's perfections, his justice. St. Paul in Romans allows the possibility of salvation for those who haven't heard the Gospel. Because God's will was revealed through the Natural Law (of right and wrong) written on their consciences. That when such a person was confronted with a moral choice and obeyed their conscience, a defacto 'baptism of desire' took place. Because God is utterly simple, his will is identical with his essence. Such a person seeking to do "the good" written by God on their conscience accepted God's will and received a baptism of desire. Now that's a lot looser than sacramental salvation, but God was a lot more lenient before the coming of Christ and the New Law. Even with those under the Mosaic Law which itself was salvific. Recall the shenanigans of the King David and Solomon with multiple wives. And dare we mention the patriarchs? Which is why the CCC 846-848 allows for potential salvation outside the church for those honestly seeking and obeying the truth.
Having said that, if salvation is still difficult for those under the New Law with the sacraments, how much harder will it be for those outside the church. Which is why evangelization is crucial.
The Church teaches very clearly that the mosaic law was not conditional for salvation, the mosaic law was given as an aid to the jews who after their long period in Egypt were unable to follow properly the natural law. But after the fall of man neither the natural law nor the mosaic law actually granted salvation, both the good and the bad went to hell after death, the damned went to the depths of hell reserved for the devils, and those of good will who followed the natural light of reason or if they were jews observed the law and its ordinances and by the grace of God had genuine repentance for sins (think of kind David weeping over his sin) these went to the "limbus patrem" where they awaited Christ's decent into hell where he preached the gospel to them and applied the merits of his passion so that they could be liberated.
Hope this helps!
@@TheWavelengthStudios Good comment, what this guy said.