For the amount of time and years i've played roblox, this has been something i definitely picked up on. This applies to A LOT of interactions like racing and fighting games
In racing games it is the worst because you will always think you are ahead of them, even though you are not. Client prediction is used to mitigate this, but so far its not a thing in roblox.
I kinda figured out about latency on Roblox simply by playing it, but I remember once having two devices in the same room playing Roblox, and it was crazy to me how long it took for a player jumping on one device to show on another It really put things into perspective
its not about how close you are with each device, but how good of a connection you have with the server. even if both are in the same room, if the server is far away chances are it will take its time to send it back to the other device
Hey! Dev here, I've recently made something similar. A good way to approach is by either neglecting client-side registration or the other method which I'll explain So by neglecting client-side registration, while the hitbox may suck, you can increase the sizes of the hitbox to properly compensate for the latency If you dont want to stop using client regs, you can instead use sanity checks to check if the distance between the attacker and the victim is sane and well fair. While me personally i use the second method to not risk exploitation, you can implement your own!
I keep seeing a bunch of people who didn't even watch the video and comment: "Why doesn't my opponent get hit from far away?", They do you just can't see it because you are hitting them from your perspective, while in their perspective your position is delayed, just like yours is for them. "Ok but how do we fix the hitbox?", You can't really fix latency, Latency as mentioned is a physical limitation between the time it takes for packets to arrive between machines over the internet, there are some techniques out there done to mitigate latency. Client Prediction: Client prediction will basically simulate other player's physics on your client so it can predict where they are actually at on the server's world state and that way make it seem like all positions are instant. Also to clarify lag/latency is the time it takes for a message to be sent from your pc over to the server on the internet. Lag compensation: Lag compensation allows to cast hit registration from the server's world state, and rewind said hitboxes according to the latency of a player so it can predict what the player was seeing on their screen. Unfortunately, the methods above cannot be done with Roblox's default tools and require devs to learn complex frameworks such as chickynoid, so you can't really do anything for now.
a better method of client prediction is taking the velocity of the character and comparing it to the client's world state to predict what the client sees. what im trying to say is you can have the client advise the server's prediction, and with a few checks, determine if what the client sent was legitimate or not.
The problem is that roblox is just filled with children who don't understand this bs. So when you say "I have 200 ping dude, I can't hit you", the child on the other side says "get good kid, skill issue"
@@Brandon-ct8vo yeah, I guess you are right. I understand it's not that much of a big deal, just a small but frustrating knowing that it isn't your fault but nobody believes you.
Praying for the video that explains how to fix latency when it comes to hitboxes, i'm planning a game out rn and i would really like to have a game thats fair for both sides
I Believe its seperate from how latency works with R6 and 15 models where the amount of lagg will decide how delayed your actions are to other peoples prespectives. But with a sword, it would lock its hitbox to the character thats being seen by other people which is why things like reaching happens and Why baiting is an actual viable strat in SF
There is no way to fix latency, what you could do is compensate for it Run the hitbox on either the client with server sided sanity checks or on the server while compensating for the player's ping by adjusting the hitbox size
I don't think it is actually possible to make it 100% fair/accurate. If you process collisions on the server, there will be a difference between the clients perspective and the server. However, if you do it on the client, it can be abused by exploiters and there will be an even bigger difference for the other players.
One thing that should be mentioned tho, try to optimize your scripts as much as possible as to not make em resource intensive, that should help lowering the server's ping
THANK YOU. So many people complain about this without understanding how these things work. It feels so good to hear someone to talk about this. You earned a sub!
Another problem is that roblox has a huge problem with latency, mainly server locations (they are terrible), Although it doesn't matter that much because if you're not in the US it connects u to germany anyway
In my own scripting ventures, I find it extremely difficult to program a faster fighting game (such as super smash brothers) due to latency. I utilize raycasting for nearly every single hitbox in my game, which feels great when you're the one attacking, but frustrating when getting hit. There is no easy solution, but as you mention at 6:09, there could be better solutions rather then solely relying on client side hitbox detection. I have not found anything smooth enough to solve this problem, so I'm very interested in seeing what this supposed "better way" is.
i always knew this was a thing, but i just didn't know how to explain it. and in this video it explains it but also showed me some areas i didn't even know about in this topic, being some ways that developers make hitboxes.
For those saying that this is a Roblox only problem, there are various instances that this can apply to different games One popular example is “peeker’s advantage”, which can be seen on Valorant, CS:GO, Rainbow 6, Fortnite, and any game, really, including Roblox. So, lets say we’re playing a game where guns immediately kill you, and we have two people: Camper and Peeker Camper is just camping a random part of the map, while Peeker is about to peek out and shoot Camper. Peeker has a higher chance of winning, since he would see Camper before Camper could see Peeker, giving Camper no time to react. This is because it takes a while for Peeker’s character to replicate to Camper’s PoV It’s kind of hard to explain, but I’m just saying that this doesn’t just apply to Roblox’s engine. The reason why you might not feel it is because games usually pair you to a server located close to you, while Roblox sometimes just puts you in a completely random server, throwing off your ping. Thats why when I join a game like Arsenal, if I don’t get put in a server I am near, I would go to the server browser and find a server closest to me to ensure the best possible ping. If you really want to feel this issue it in different games, just change your server to somewhere super far away, and you’ll feel it.
4:58 This is so annoying to deal with if you run away and spam your mele they will not get hit but you will. If they run a way you have to be in front of them and predict where they are going also they can hit you in this state.
They cant hit you either, it looks likey they can but they suffer from the same issues you do, this is why you see so many stupid videos nowdays such as "roblox hitboxes be like"
Well yes, but unfortunately roblox doesnt offers a different way to solve the problem atm, They did said they are working on server authoritative physics which hopefully brings an end to client sided hitboxes and movement practices.
Imagine if Roblox servers we're hosted by developers of their own games, and Luau wasn't all sandboxed. Yeah, scary to think an exploiter could legit do more damage to you than simply messing around a roblox game, since they could dox your server, RCE vuln will be even more dangerous since they could execute system calls. In-fact that's how hosting servers outside of roblox works, and if you're not careful and you trust the client too much (and let's say you intend on hosting the servers yourself) and your server-side is not very secure, you basically risk getting your actual computer hacked. It's best try getting used to not trusting the client and experimenting with server-side stuff on Roblox where they provide free servers and a sandboxed Lua.
What if the game checks if an attack hits on _both_ ends? Ex. In the original Dark souls back stabs were checked only on thr attacks end. So you often get "lag stabbed" or "teleport backstabbed". In dark souls 3. The gane now checks both player perspectives. (This includes other attacks aswell.) Sometimes an attack would land on one player's screen but not on the others. So it would play thr damage effect and stagger thr player (on some weapons) but not deal any damage. A decent middle ground.
Its honestly kinda dumb, but the way I sorta worked around this was to fire a magnitude calculation between hitbox and the hit object on the server whenever a hitboxTriggered remote event fired. If the magnitude on the server-side between the hitbox and hitpart is greater than the attacking hitboxes largest side + some leeway (to account for the ping for the remote event getting to the server), the server won't register the hit. Additionally, one major gameplay feature which also helps the latency problem in my case is overall movement speed. The faster players can move, the more this latency tends to become a problem. By limiting movement speed in general, it makes hitboxes become more accurate for all players, and it also makes the use of a dodge-roll mechanic more useful since its more likely to avoid getting hit due to the short burst of speed it gives. This solution is pretty jank and doesn't remedy the core problem, but its the easiest "fix" I can do to try preserve some level of balance for all players, and not just benefit everyone whos playing pure offensive
i have fun sometimes with the latency when driving cars. i would drive and swerve in front of others' cars ahead of them while they're driving, and they would get hit hard by me, while i appear untouched/unaffected
in roblox i ve seen so many people saying me hacker and saying others hackers because they think they used a exploit for make the range of their weapon bigger but they don't fully understand the hitbox and the thing this video explains
the issue with doing the raycasting locally is that hackers can manipulate it to hit the person so you would also have to make a server sided check (maybe checking if that enemy is in a certain range around the attacker) to make sure that doesnt happen
I always told people that and they never believe me. That's why I can't play fighting games on roblox. Latency is in EVERY multiplayer games, it depends of the server and your internet. As you guessed roblox is the worst server ever, basicly the latency is so big on roblox it will put you atleast 1s in the past. So when you're moving, see yourself 1s in the past or so now you will understand how someone can hit you so far. The best example is playing a JOJO game or a game with a time stop ability, you will jump to avoid being on the ground, you see yourself in the air and think you're safe. Then the opponent start punching the ground where you jumped from and suddenly when the TS end, you get hit by all of his attacks, because for the server you were still on the ground. Conclusion: It'S ANNOYING ASF AND UNPLAYABLE
I always knew the reason was lag, but the way this video is formatted, along with the information on how hitboxes are coded was very good However, the part from 4:58 to 6:00 required me to rewatch it a couple of times to understand. I reccomend adding subtitles and/or using visual elements to highlight and emphasize what you are talking about. Overall, I like this video and I wish to see more like this in the future. Maybe you could explain how exploiting works, I'd like to see a video on that.
although as a developer as 5 years, this really annoys me about touched function 1. they sometimes doesn't work due lightspeed of velocity 2. parts touched and bounce back but the touched function doesn't work already i wish they fixed it already
It would be awesome if Roblox were able to render the player's real-time ping information and provide it for game scripts. It would let the developers create their own movement predictions to reduce ghost hits, etc.
I usually use the touched event method but they dont work out as i intended, such as touched firing way too man times upon touched (i added debounce but it still didnt fix it). But now with modules such as zone plus, it made it more easier for me to detect parts. Anyways great video!
You also get this advantage but you don't see it neither your opponent. When you get hit far away you're actually close to them, on their screen they really hit you. Same for you, when you hit someone really close, that guy on his screen was already running away and took a hit
Many comments not understanding that almost every one of these games have perfectly fine hitboxes. It's latency that is the problem. In instances where the game doesn't use client side hitboxes and has very fast movement you could almost say they're *too* good because they're too small to cover the extremely high volatility of movement and too small to reliably catch other players unless they linger within its radius for at least a second or two. Which.. isn't happening. The devs did a fine job designing hitboxes, but they did not do a fine job on the netcode. Which is honestly out of their hands to some extent because the limitations of Roblox itself prevent the most elegant solutions from happening. -this is also partially Roblox's fault for not having enough server locations around the world, thus increasing latency for players overall, because they just want to hoard cash instead of investing it into the betterment of the platform-
Usually when someone dies to me and says "Bro these hitboxes suck" or "Bro thats mad sus, prob have range hacks" here is what i say to counter: "Its just ping difference."
Update: theres a new method for hitboxes with the release of shapecasting, go check it out for better methods than raycasting! devforum.roblox.com/c/updates/announcements/36 Edit: Thanks to everyone who is coming due to this video blowing up, I knew if I stayed patient, it would eventually blow up.
Discount Shounic lol. All jokes aside, for being a small content creator, you did a pretty good job at explaining it, though you could've improved the video script to make it easier for viewers to understand. Nice job dude!
There’s a script on Roblox which fixes hit boxes for everyone, it just teleports everyone a little bit in front based on their ping and when they move and where, also it doesn’t really fix the issue cause… auk why.
While that script sounds like a terrible idea, theres a concept in video games called client prediction that is similar to this. Since positions from the players arrive late to the client, The positions where you see the players standing at, is already late. Client prediction will grab these positions on your client and predict where they are probably at from the server's world state, this way you can see a result closer to their real position, and it no longer looks like they are hitting you from farther away because you can somewhat see their true position. Unfortunately, there's no current way to do this on Roblox atm.
I greatly appreciate the fact you went out of your way to explain the different type of hitboxes and functions in roblox studio too with visual examples as a lot of your information would've been hard to understand without a visual example
the only issue I see is that I was not really clear explaining the latency issues on this video, so I might release a part 2 with server sided hitboxes with lag compensation
@@CopperCogStudio Yeah that's fair, I already was capable of understanding myself cause I learnt a lot of Computer Science myself but also. At 6:08 you said there's a better way than client hitboxes but never elaborated, can you do that in the Part 2?
@@gamecubebro yes, the reason why i didnt elaborated is because it is a topic that involves server authoritative movement and lag compensation which is stuff that is really complex and also unheard of on roblox. I have a video on my game where i showcase these things being applied: th-cam.com/video/KfpANVdP4k8/w-d-xo.html
This is the #1 reason why I don't play most PvP games in roblox, the hitboxes on some games are rigged, most of them has ping advantages. For other countries with slower network speed will have a huge disadvantage that the others with fast internet speed from fast networks like a guy in USA playing in USA servers, Versus a guy from asia playing in USA servers. It's unfair, so PvE games are my pick on roblox and not others like arsenal or dahood, or any game that has bad pvp systems that are mostly ping based.
as I said there are ways to mask latency like client prediction so you can actually see the player's true positions on your worldstate. or server sided lag compensated hitbox, but those things are not possible yet on vanilla roblox so PVP games are kinda sucky for now.
I thought this was kinda obvious for ppl, so for simplicity your opponent's perspective is closer to you while YOUR perspective is your a little farther than them. But hey ty for explaining this
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For the amount of time and years i've played roblox, this has been something i definitely picked up on. This applies to A LOT of interactions like racing and fighting games
In racing games it is the worst because you will always think you are ahead of them, even though you are not.
Client prediction is used to mitigate this, but so far its not a thing in roblox.
@@CopperCogStudio especially in games like Car Crushers, latency is really bad
This is why developers recommended you to play in YOUR region server because of less ping latency
yeah pretty much
if they atleast added a brazil or south america server... it really sucks to pvp with 200+ ms
@@pires5727 verdade parceiro, 400 ping ms é muito ruim caba
I don't have
but unless the devs implement a server browser, it's pretty much useless ngl.
Bruh my ping be 📈📈📈📈
Bro i swear mines like typically 10k at most like 50k
@@moab6217what 💀
@@moab6217i witnesssed 120k once 💀 i still cant understand how some people call 200 ping almost unplayable
@@cheesesoldier7136because it kinda is
But yeah 120k ping is crazy (i got 200k once)
I love my 1 month, 23 days, 4 hours and 55 minutes ping (that’s not a joke it used to happen)
Incredibly well made video, bad part is that i got no arguments now whenever i die
lmao
dont worry, just say lag until this guy does "why roblox performace sucks"
@@alguienxder3xd539 ty man
I kinda figured out about latency on Roblox simply by playing it, but I remember once having two devices in the same room playing Roblox, and it was crazy to me how long it took for a player jumping on one device to show on another
It really put things into perspective
its not about how close you are with each device, but how good of a connection you have with the server. even if both are in the same room, if the server is far away chances are it will take its time to send it back to the other device
@@ToreAlt ye ik
Hey! Dev here, I've recently made something similar.
A good way to approach is by either neglecting client-side registration or the other method which I'll explain
So by neglecting client-side registration, while the hitbox may suck, you can increase the sizes of the hitbox to properly compensate for the latency
If you dont want to stop using client regs, you can instead use sanity checks to check if the distance between the attacker and the victim is sane and well fair.
While me personally i use the second method to not risk exploitation, you can implement your own!
I just use lag compensation to rewind the hitboxes.
Thats like saying
"the person has bad internet so your position on screen is delayed"
with an extra step
I keep seeing a bunch of people who didn't even watch the video and comment:
"Why doesn't my opponent get hit from far away?", They do you just can't see it because you are hitting them from your perspective, while in their perspective your position is delayed, just like yours is for them.
"Ok but how do we fix the hitbox?", You can't really fix latency, Latency as mentioned is a physical limitation between the time it takes for packets to arrive between machines over the internet, there are some techniques out there done to mitigate latency.
Client Prediction: Client prediction will basically simulate other player's physics on your client so it can predict where they are actually at on the server's world state and that way make it seem like all positions are instant.
Also to clarify lag/latency is the time it takes for a message to be sent from your pc over to the server on the internet.
Lag compensation: Lag compensation allows to cast hit registration from the server's world state, and rewind said hitboxes according to the latency of a player so it can predict what the player was seeing on their screen.
Unfortunately, the methods above cannot be done with Roblox's default tools and require devs to learn complex frameworks such as chickynoid, so you can't really do anything for now.
this is surely not possible but, what if somehow a server or client could be improved in order to have packets deliver faster no matter your ping?
@@air_opl . . .
@@air_opl What do you think ping is?
a better method of client prediction is taking the velocity of the character and comparing it to the client's world state to predict what the client sees.
what im trying to say is you can have the client advise the server's prediction, and with a few checks, determine if what the client sent was legitimate or not.
@@PresidentAnvil This is not how lag compensation works, I advise you to read an article on what it is.
No matter your ping, Whenever you step on a small object, Your character shoots up to the pearly gates
Me: (Punches the air)
A random player 10377483872738372 studs away: (OOOOOOOOF)
Well made video! Thanks for explaining this, and also for completely destroying the one and only argument I have whenever someone kills me "unfairly".
The problem is that roblox is just filled with children who don't understand this bs. So when you say "I have 200 ping dude, I can't hit you", the child on the other side says "get good kid, skill issue"
Just... don't take it personally, then? Most people don't really care about any complaints their opponent throws out anyways
@@Brandon-ct8voIt is hard to not care
They write like brats
And brats are Annoying
@@Brandon-ct8vo yeah, I guess you are right. I understand it's not that much of a big deal, just a small but frustrating knowing that it isn't your fault but nobody believes you.
Goated video + informative + 5/5 + helpful + interesting + well made + straight to the point + well edited + good presentation
Praying for the video that explains how to fix latency when it comes to hitboxes, i'm planning a game out rn and i would really like to have a game thats fair for both sides
I Believe its seperate from how latency works with R6 and 15 models where the amount of lagg will decide how delayed your actions are to other peoples prespectives. But with a sword, it would lock its hitbox to the character thats being seen by other people which is why things like reaching happens and Why baiting is an actual viable strat in SF
There is no way to fix latency, what you could do is compensate for it
Run the hitbox on either the client with server sided sanity checks or on the server while compensating for the player's ping by adjusting the hitbox size
I don't think it is actually possible to make it 100% fair/accurate. If you process collisions on the server, there will be a difference between the clients perspective and the server. However, if you do it on the client, it can be abused by exploiters and there will be an even bigger difference for the other players.
One thing that should be mentioned tho, try to optimize your scripts as much as possible as to not make em resource intensive, that should help lowering the server's ping
THANK YOU. So many people complain about this without understanding how these things work. It feels so good to hear someone to talk about this. You earned a sub!
Thanks for covering this topic, man. I was in need of this kind of system to make the most accurate and fair hitboxes for my game.
np
Someone: “That hitbox…”
Me: “That client desync 🍷🗿”
Finally someone said it, Its frustrating to see someone blame the hitboxes or even the character model boundaries
Tycoon's collect buttons are never gona get fixed 💀💀😭
fax
Alternative title:
Robloxian discovers that time is relative and the theory of relativity.
???
@@CopperCogStudio Time is relative
@@CopperCogStudio en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_of_simultaneity
@@CopperCogStudio Google relativity of simultaneity.
brother thinks hes albert einstein 😭
Another problem is that roblox has a huge problem with latency, mainly server locations (they are terrible), Although it doesn't matter that much because if you're not in the US it connects u to germany anyway
In my own scripting ventures, I find it extremely difficult to program a faster fighting game (such as super smash brothers) due to latency. I utilize raycasting for nearly every single hitbox in my game, which feels great when you're the one attacking, but frustrating when getting hit. There is no easy solution, but as you mention at 6:09, there could be better solutions rather then solely relying on client side hitbox detection. I have not found anything smooth enough to solve this problem, so I'm very interested in seeing what this supposed "better way" is.
I appreciate how comprehendible your explanation was! Now I know why I stink at sword fighting :/
most hitboxes lag behind meaning if your moving forward, its dogshit, but if your moving backward, you have immense reach
Tes
True
That is still because of the latency issue.
This is ultimately the reason why I stopped playing MM2
i always knew this was a thing, but i just didn't know how to explain it. and in this video it explains it but also showed me some areas i didn't even know about in this topic, being some ways that developers make hitboxes.
i personally have a generally good amount of experience making game combat mechanics, and i must say that you explained this VERY well. good job
Good video, I wasn’t expecting you to make a in-depth video about this
Well I did, i figured out my channel already has grown roots so, not uploading would be a waste of a future carrier.
Honestly this was an eye opener since I mainly used raycasting or touched event. Never really realized spatial queries exist tbh
wake up because now shapecasting exists too.
Touched kinda sucks ass, region3s or spatial queries are better
@@DarkestGames86 just use part bounds in box for touched event
For those saying that this is a Roblox only problem, there are various instances that this can apply to different games
One popular example is “peeker’s advantage”, which can be seen on Valorant, CS:GO, Rainbow 6, Fortnite, and any game, really, including Roblox.
So, lets say we’re playing a game where guns immediately kill you, and we have two people: Camper and Peeker
Camper is just camping a random part of the map, while Peeker is about to peek out and shoot Camper. Peeker has a higher chance of winning, since he would see Camper before Camper could see Peeker, giving Camper no time to react. This is because it takes a while for Peeker’s character to replicate to Camper’s PoV
It’s kind of hard to explain, but I’m just saying that this doesn’t just apply to Roblox’s engine. The reason why you might not feel it is because games usually pair you to a server located close to you, while Roblox sometimes just puts you in a completely random server, throwing off your ping. Thats why when I join a game like Arsenal, if I don’t get put in a server I am near, I would go to the server browser and find a server closest to me to ensure the best possible ping. If you really want to feel this issue it in different games, just change your server to somewhere super far away, and you’ll feel it.
This guy gets it!
Me who already knows why but still watches it: hmm interesting.
same
4:58 This is so annoying to deal with if you run away and spam your mele they will not get hit but you will. If they run a way you have to be in front of them and predict where they are going also they can hit you in this state.
They cant hit you either, it looks likey they can but they suffer from the same issues you do, this is why you see so many stupid videos nowdays such as "roblox hitboxes be like"
i like at the end you went "there are better ways" and didnt explain or elaborate further
>"there is a better ways"
>Refuses to elaborate
>Ends the video
Adding client sided hitboxes is like asking for your game to get hacked
Well yes, but unfortunately roblox doesnt offers a different way to solve the problem atm, They did said they are working on server authoritative physics which hopefully brings an end to client sided hitboxes and movement practices.
Imagine if Roblox servers we're hosted by developers of their own games, and Luau wasn't all sandboxed.
Yeah, scary to think an exploiter could legit do more damage to you than simply messing around a roblox game, since they could dox your server, RCE vuln will be even more dangerous since they could execute system calls. In-fact that's how hosting servers outside of roblox works, and if you're not careful and you trust the client too much (and let's say you intend on hosting the servers yourself) and your server-side is not very secure, you basically risk getting your actual computer hacked.
It's best try getting used to not trusting the client and experimenting with server-side stuff on Roblox where they provide free servers and a sandboxed Lua.
I wish more people would understand this
same i hate npcs who just say "baaadhitbox"
ngl learned a good chunk of information from this gonna abuse my local rome genre now
finally someone explained it good, im sick of people blaming the developers for making big hitboxes when they know nothing about how hitboxes work
Basically, hitboxes suck because clients (or players) have different latencies (time it takes to send data to the server) so actions are delayed.
What if the game checks if an attack hits on _both_ ends?
Ex. In the original Dark souls back stabs were checked only on thr attacks end. So you often get "lag stabbed" or "teleport backstabbed".
In dark souls 3. The gane now checks both player perspectives. (This includes other attacks aswell.)
Sometimes an attack would land on one player's screen but not on the others. So it would play thr damage effect and stagger thr player (on some weapons) but not deal any damage. A decent middle ground.
But that means any desync would mess up the entire system unless the player isn't completely static.
Everything will whiff on your own screen
Solution: Go outside and hit people with real weapons, there is no Latency in real life.
FAX
Technically there is, but it's VERY small
Speed of light:
Ima about to end this man’s whole career
@@amalgam4595 One could argue that the speed of light is a form of latency
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Its honestly kinda dumb, but the way I sorta worked around this was to fire a magnitude calculation between hitbox and the hit object on the server whenever a hitboxTriggered remote event fired. If the magnitude on the server-side between the hitbox and hitpart is greater than the attacking hitboxes largest side + some leeway (to account for the ping for the remote event getting to the server), the server won't register the hit.
Additionally, one major gameplay feature which also helps the latency problem in my case is overall movement speed. The faster players can move, the more this latency tends to become a problem. By limiting movement speed in general, it makes hitboxes become more accurate for all players, and it also makes the use of a dodge-roll mechanic more useful since its more likely to avoid getting hit due to the short burst of speed it gives.
This solution is pretty jank and doesn't remedy the core problem, but its the easiest "fix" I can do to try preserve some level of balance for all players, and not just benefit everyone whos playing pure offensive
My favorite part of the video is reading the comments and seeing you getting frustrated at people who did not understand the video at all.
fr
Fax
My favorite part was when I read the comments, and found the same thing. Then I noticed he also doesn't understand some of the comments.
i have fun sometimes with the latency when driving cars. i would drive and swerve in front of others' cars ahead of them while they're driving, and they would get hit hard by me, while i appear untouched/unaffected
Latency is such a huge battle, I would very much be interested in that discussion!
One thing I like to do in some pvp roblox games that is more melee based? Spin. Not even just click because touching the blade by any means = Damage.
But it only works with linked sword and its variants im pretty sure
Excellent video, shame you dont have more subs and views
for a first video, this was great!
why this video getting recommended 4 months later 😭😭
fr
Never knew the server was also behind that is interesting.
in roblox i ve seen so many people saying me hacker and saying others hackers because they think they used a exploit for make the range of their weapon bigger but they don't fully understand the hitbox and the thing this video explains
I mean yes those exploits do exist due to the nature of client sided hitbox, but 70% of the time its just latency.
When you try to hit them you have to be making out with them just to have a chance of hitting them.
And then they hit you from another galaxy away
What I've been telling the kids who keep saying I'm exploiting since I started playing roblox:
the issue with doing the raycasting locally is that hackers can manipulate it to hit the person so you would also have to make a server sided check (maybe checking if that enemy is in a certain range around the attacker) to make sure that doesnt happen
proper server checks are just trivial math, idk why most devs be doing everything on the server just because "never trust the client ugh duh"
Very informative, I’ve been looking to script a combat system for a while now and info like this is helpful
Wait till you see my video today and i show you all a 100% exploit proof method.
this is why i usually play much more aggressive when im using melee weaponry
Kinda sad that someone had to tell those shitters why it works like that :3
Ong
in the strongest battlegrounds, side dashing wont move your hitbox effectively, it just has 3 states, instead of being stuck to your body
me who uses arrow keys and cant do that
@@Lopal12why you using arrow keys
very well put together explanation on how latency affects gameplay
I think a lot of players would get a lot from watching this video…
we need more people like this putting survival of the fittest gameplay in the backround
its Untitled Melee Game
I always told people that and they never believe me. That's why I can't play fighting games on roblox. Latency is in EVERY multiplayer games, it depends of the server and your internet.
As you guessed roblox is the worst server ever, basicly the latency is so big on roblox it will put you atleast 1s in the past. So when you're moving, see yourself 1s in the past or so now you will understand how someone can hit you so far.
The best example is playing a JOJO game or a game with a time stop ability, you will jump to avoid being on the ground, you see yourself in the air and think you're safe. Then the opponent start punching the ground where you jumped from and suddenly when the TS end, you get hit by all of his attacks, because for the server you were still on the ground.
Conclusion: It'S ANNOYING ASF AND UNPLAYABLE
skill issue 🤷
@@basicallychris8751nice rage bait
Don't you mean you see yourself in the future but the other's see you in the past
@@k0lg040 Ye basicly. Well you shouldn't be in the future, it's the server that has delay and put your imput in the past
I honestly wish that rollback was added into Roblox. Because apparently that's not even possible with how Roblox's servers work.
Combat Warriors needs to take notes
and mortem metallum
and blood & iron
Its not their fault, it's roblox, they're literally using the best methods ffs people are dumb.
I always knew the reason was lag, but the way this video is formatted, along with the information on how hitboxes are coded was very good
However, the part from 4:58 to 6:00 required me to rewatch it a couple of times to understand. I reccomend adding subtitles and/or using visual elements to highlight and emphasize what you are talking about. Overall, I like this video and I wish to see more like this in the future. Maybe you could explain how exploiting works, I'd like to see a video on that.
latency is an absolute pain to deal with
especially for games like tag and racing games
although as a developer as 5 years, this really annoys me about touched function
1. they sometimes doesn't work due lightspeed of velocity
2. parts touched and bounce back but the touched function doesn't work already
i wish they fixed it already
Just use a different hitboxing method, touched events should only be used for simple things
@@dahorrorazguy7905 yea i know
It would be awesome if Roblox were able to render the player's real-time ping information and provide it for game scripts. It would let the developers create their own movement predictions to reduce ghost hits, etc.
I recommend you checking out chickynoid, it already does a lot of what you mentioned.
This is amazing, I even learned a bit of scripting knowledge from it, please make more
okay so the conclusion i drew from this is that roblox's netcode is stinky. good to know
I usually use the touched event method but they dont work out as i intended, such as touched firing way too man times upon touched (i added debounce but it still didnt fix it). But now with modules such as zone plus, it made it more easier for me to detect parts. Anyways great video!
i figured that player positions had a delay on others' screens
The unfair advantage every opponent has in roblox
Actually its more like both, it can be used against your opponent, but your opponent can do the same
You also get this advantage but you don't see it neither your opponent. When you get hit far away you're actually close to them, on their screen they really hit you. Same for you, when you hit someone really close, that guy on his screen was already running away and took a hit
what the hell i was just complaining about this stuff im being watchex
The fog is comming, The fog is comming, The fog is comming.
amazing video, i always get triggered when someone speaks about hitboxes based off misinformation.
I keep getting triggered by people also spreading missinformation on the comments.
Many comments not understanding that almost every one of these games have perfectly fine hitboxes. It's latency that is the problem. In instances where the game doesn't use client side hitboxes and has very fast movement you could almost say they're *too* good because they're too small to cover the extremely high volatility of movement and too small to reliably catch other players unless they linger within its radius for at least a second or two. Which.. isn't happening. The devs did a fine job designing hitboxes, but they did not do a fine job on the netcode. Which is honestly out of their hands to some extent because the limitations of Roblox itself prevent the most elegant solutions from happening.
-this is also partially Roblox's fault for not having enough server locations around the world, thus increasing latency for players overall, because they just want to hoard cash instead of investing it into the betterment of the platform-
Account made 12 years ago?
amazing explanation! now i can refer this video to people rather than explain it myself
This is why server browsers are important on competitive games
so basically, Black Magic 2 hitboxes explained
No way someone remembers this game lol
Finally found someone else who plays lmao
Usually when someone dies to me and says "Bro these hitboxes suck" or "Bro thats mad sus, prob have range hacks" here is what i say to counter:
"Its just ping difference."
Finally someone else who understands why MM2 knives suck
Update: theres a new method for hitboxes with the release of shapecasting, go check it out for better methods than raycasting! devforum.roblox.com/c/updates/announcements/36
Edit: Thanks to everyone who is coming due to this video blowing up, I knew if I stayed patient, it would eventually blow up.
yes
this is my favourite roblox feature
finally, someone who understands my pain.
Massive respect for using Fluidity music ♥️♥️
Extremely informative video bro, i truly appreciate it
Melee weapons: I kissed the man Literally but yet it didnt count a hit !!!
Ranged: MF IM LITERALY STANDING BEHIND THE WALL HOW !!!
THANK YOU SO MUCH, You explained everything very well!✨
Thanks for the explanation.
Its kinda insane to me how people cant figure this out themselves it took me like 1 minute of thinking
All this was just lag
Everytime you say "lag" this what we be referring to
csgo hitboxes with the awp is just on a whole nother level im geeking
i love how this video is getitng forwarded to people 5 months later
Discount Shounic lol.
All jokes aside, for being a small content creator, you did a pretty good job at explaining it, though you could've improved the video script to make it easier for viewers to understand. Nice job dude!
who the fuck is shounic
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@@CopperCogStudio tf2 youtuber who breaks down how the game's code works, showcasing exploits, glitches, and generally weird stuff.
There’s a script on Roblox which fixes hit boxes for everyone, it just teleports everyone a little bit in front based on their ping and when they move and where, also it doesn’t really fix the issue cause… auk why.
While that script sounds like a terrible idea, theres a concept in video games called client prediction that is similar to this.
Since positions from the players arrive late to the client, The positions where you see the players standing at, is already late. Client prediction will grab these positions on your client and predict where they are probably at from the server's world state, this way you can see a result closer to their real position, and it no longer looks like they are hitting you from farther away because you can somewhat see their true position.
Unfortunately, there's no current way to do this on Roblox atm.
I greatly appreciate the fact you went out of your way to explain the different type of hitboxes and functions in roblox studio too with visual examples as a lot of your information would've been hard to understand without a visual example
the only issue I see is that I was not really clear explaining the latency issues on this video, so I might release a part 2 with server sided hitboxes with lag compensation
@@CopperCogStudio Yeah that's fair, I already was capable of understanding myself cause I learnt a lot of Computer Science myself but also. At 6:08 you said there's a better way than client hitboxes but never elaborated, can you do that in the Part 2?
@@gamecubebro yes, the reason why i didnt elaborated is because it is a topic that involves server authoritative movement and lag compensation which is stuff that is really complex and also unheard of on roblox.
I have a video on my game where i showcase these things being applied:
th-cam.com/video/KfpANVdP4k8/w-d-xo.html
@@CopperCogStudio Alright thanks man!
Thanks for dumbing this down for people like me
this really helped me comprehend why do my hitboxes suck in most roblox games, though its sad i cant really do much about my ping
This is the #1 reason why I don't play most PvP games in roblox, the hitboxes on some games are rigged, most of them has ping advantages. For other countries with slower network speed will have a huge disadvantage that the others with fast internet speed from fast networks like a guy in USA playing in USA servers, Versus a guy from asia playing in USA servers. It's unfair, so PvE games are my pick on roblox and not others like arsenal or dahood, or any game that has bad pvp systems that are mostly ping based.
as I said there are ways to mask latency like client prediction so you can actually see the player's true positions on your worldstate.
or server sided lag compensated hitbox, but those things are not possible yet on vanilla roblox so PVP games are kinda sucky for now.
a multibillionaire company cant get better/closer servers for many people
to avoid this when its bad, i generally like to perform a distance check on the server
btw, you can check your ping in performance stats, you can toggle them on in settings, or CTRL+F7
I thought this was kinda obvious for ppl, so for simplicity your opponent's perspective is closer to you while YOUR perspective is your a little farther than them. But hey ty for explaining this
like fr im tired of seeing NPC's say stuff like "bad hitbox".
This is make me rage badly
In some game people just hit and kill me without touching me