Fabulous... again! My explanation for the supercap not working is this: The larger capacity takes longer to fill then dump so the frequency is all off. Tesla wrote/spoke about this, but it is buried in his lectures. So, you have between 200 and 300 khz. My jtc that had 208hz, the best cap for repeating the spikes was 580pF! so this is pretty interesting that you get it with 10000uF. Great work, Thank you for this video, jeanna
CONGRATULATIONS - You built a almost perfect resonance circuit. By increasing the diameter of the coil wire you will drop some resistance and that will increase the "charging power" My next step will be larger coil wire for lower coil resistance. Very very impressive.
When you run the setup with the regular electrolytic cap, it looks like you "got lucky" with your choice of JT transformer configuration. The setup manages to generate current pulses that are short and sweet and have just enough energy to ignite the CFL. The CFL is not very bright, but it does light up. So in a way you have a JT circuit that generates "Goldilocks" energy that just manage to light the CFL with minimum energy per pulse. The key here is the JT transformer configuration.
You think I have batteries in the tube? I can assure you that there are no batteries apart from the 9v batteries that I show in the video being used. This circuit has been replicated by many with success. The reason the light gets dim over time is that the capacitors are discharging. The system recharges instantly when connected to a power source for only a split second. You should look at my other Joule Ringer videos where I show the schematic.
somehow the ferrite coil is recharging the capacitors, thats why its still lighting up.. capacitors just lose power as soon as you put load on it.. this one is stubbornly lit!!
This is the BEST video from you..it intriques me that the puny electrolytic capacitor that looks so useless can keep the circuit running ..this is definitely amazing news I heard in a long long time!! I just hope I can replicate this one day and see this phenomena myself
This is a testament to the efficiency of the CFL, but LEDs are more efficient. I suspect you'd get more light for a longer time with an efficient LED controller on that bank of charged capacitors.
if you notice when you "ring" (as you call it) the battery, the frequency increase NOT the voltage. This circuit is frequency dependent. Higher freq = more AC power.
I plan on making a very large capacitor to pull a charge from the air and run the circuit and see about running a lot of cfl bulbs. I will look for the modified circuit. Thanks I will post an up date when I get it running.
Well this guy, Lasersaber, isn't one of them. He is just obsessed with efficiency. He just wants some light in his shed with more efficiency than he can get from an inverter and he has done that. The rest of the time he is just noodling around.
When you remove the capacitor at around 9:35 does your meter still reading a voltage it looks like it remains at the same voltage even after you remove the super cap?
@jeannacav I think you are exactly right on this one. I have had the same experience with some pulse width modulators (PWM's) I have built. My DC motors wouldn't run right when the caps had too much capacitance because it took too long to "fill then dump" . Good call! Good call!
One more bit of advice. You might neaten up all your clip leads. Mutual induction between clip-leads can augment or dampen. So you want all your wires cleanly separated.
Hi when testing to see what stops the circuit, don't forget to apply and earthed shield over the coil itself, maybe Alu foil sheet (with earth clip) placed loosly over coil. As circuit might be powered by stray EM fields picked up in your coil assy.
Good job. It takes small current but I want to know if there is some feedback current that slowly recharge the capacitors, to keep it running a long time.
very interesting.. what i cant figure out is why or how it would continue to resonate the same way even after you are changing the capacitance by adding or removing the caps..
interesting question, outside my hours i stick a stainless steal rod into teh ground about a foot and just north of that i place a copper one in the ground, measuring voltage between them it is about 800 mv and then switch it over to ac and it registered on the 600 ac volts scale 1.3 or 1.4 volts ac how can i take that voltage and step it up to something use full in ac or dc
Hey lasersaber I was looking for the schematic of the self ringing joule ringer on your site and I couldn't find it. Did you ever upload it? I couldn't find the schematic on the overunityDOTcom either (i registered as a member just for that circuit). Gimme the circuit please, if at all possible. I'm diving head first into this this, thanx.
The fuji HV circuit without the (Joule ringer) will eat up AA fast and then off to by more batteries. This circuit is substantial. ... going further shuttling capacitors in sequentially. . replace batties with supercap as your source so the test goes faster. compare mA over time using capacitors as shown vs mA over time using supercap and fuji only as a possible test setup measuring amp draw on bulb .THANKYOU nice work.
Looks good, how much uF do your caps have and was that the output scope voltage directly at the CFL bulb ? Is this a real handheld scope or just a converted portable audio player with Input waveform display ? Many thanks. Looking forward to the circuit diagram. Regards, Stefan.
I like to buy that setup how much? maybe it only require one capacitor to charge up and hold the power, what is the voltage reading at the end of the light connection plug more device to it run more device and charge up the battery in the end of it?
when you have many caps in parallel you decrease the losses in from the equivalent series resistance (ESR) of the caps. How come the light doesn't quickly dissipate the energy into heat? I would have thought that it would last for a few seconds.
Amazing videos - again and again. Very intersting and a good job. What´s the name of the nice small scope. I never have seen it before. How much is it and where I can get it? Go ahead. Thx for sharing.
@Howtomake12261 No, they hold "Electricity". Capacitors aren't designed for steady power draw either. If you just slap a cap on a light, you'll get a momentary flash.
Dear sir, please post a schematic on this so we can see this ultra super unity for ourselves !! what are capacitor ratings ? How many layers of windings are there on that large coil..the caps are charging the joule thief for a while but the joule thief is somehow charging the multi layered coils to the point it begins behaving like a captret..this phenomena is recharging the cap to the joule thief to and fro i think..this is wonderful !! Youre very close to a Hendershot Circuit i think..
happy new year and keep up good work..maybe u will get more electrons from the grounding.. do dwell into the roy meyers magnet experiment as well if you have the time.. i have failed so far but i think you will hit something there too judging from your expertise in these experiments!!
I think you found the geometry that allows you to expand the pulse out over many seconds from an initial impulse... did you put up a schematic for this?
The majority of the energy stored is on the coil, the capacitors enabled the circuit and those don't store much energy compared to the magnetic flux on the coil. The capacitors are only needed to run the joule thief when the battery is disconnected, and the tube will continue glowing until the magnetic field on the coil fully collapses. Could have uses in hand-powered flashlight and such, as a magnetic coil is much more efficient at storing a charge compared to rechargable battery or capacitors.
Wow! Very interesting! You do better document everything in details. What value are the capacitors and how much time does the system run on one capacitor?
Good job I like the addition of the second coil I'll try this next I have some videos along the same line except I am using 1-2.5watt led bulbs and the resonance seems to last longer and I had a tough time lighting a cfl for any length of time Xmas lights stay lit for 15-20 minutes I think due to the way they run the diodes and resistors in the circut, keep up the great work
i suspect the thing is that your RLC circuit is not tuned to work with a super capacitor. also a super capacitor might used for a different use like for adding energy from time to time.
Your the best poster I've seen here. Great communication and complete narration of important observations. Do you find the circuit must have a CFL to work at the high levels you've acheived? I believe the plasma with KR-85 gas gives JT that extra kick! Thanks man.
@allthepeoplewhodoubt... I will explain this phenomenon part 2... Firstly he run the electricity by battery then he increase the electricity output with the tesla coil. Having more electricity output with the tesla coil, he then charge the capacitors and at the same time lighting the bulb. Having charge the capacitors you can now have the light bulb running non-stop after the battery is removed.
That is really too cool! Have you let it go to see how long it would run? In other words does the light bulb slowly get dimmer without the battery? Don
The ferrite coil is also a capacitor, the winding and size of the ferrite play a role here. You have high voltage but, high resistance, the amount of light isn't impressive from an 8v source.
He never said it would just keep ringing and ringing. Pay attention and look at some of his other videos. He shows you that the caps are storing the power to ring the circuit for longer then usual. Joule thief's have been around awhile under different names. All they do is use every last possible electron, but much can be learned from a joule thief or joule ringer. So please chillax and pay attention.
I got this to work with to work with 2 100 f super capaciterz in a parralel series feed back loop went 5 days on 2 minute charge awesome also used heavy duty winding
Put the super capacitors on the battery hookup spot that way the energy is being recycled into the electrolyte capacitors but the main charge last longer on the battery end. The super capacitor on the battery end will hold the charge longer while the electrolytes continue to function..In a since it'll replace the battery and should double or triple your duration without keeping the battery hooked up full time.
so, if all circuits were designed this way, then you turn on your light, set it up to detect power drop, then ring the circuit again, and do this for every electronic thing we own we could cut our power consumption down to a null amount huh?
hey nice scope! Quite amazing the super cap didn't cut it. Do you think you could replace the CFL load with something else, or does it have to be a flouro tube to work? anyway, this Prooves that something else is going on. I await for more. Could provide an awesome emergency light... maybe take the guts from a shakey flashlight and put your circuit on top. Take it with you on the bus and the rough ride will keep the light lit!
dud were did you get that small scop at that is sweet as hell I like to find of of those some were were did you get it tell me I have got to know please lol.
The reasonable assumption for the supercap is that the ESR is too high for the JT transformer to function properly. Therefore the circuit fails to oscillate and as a result the transformer coil just looks like a dumb resistor shorting out the supercap. So "failure to oscillate" spells doom for the supercap for this application.
how long does this run on without the battery? and if there's more capacitors does that mean more run time? sorry really trying to figure this out. Does this mean with the battery spiking the system once in a while it'll run for a very long time?
Today I bought components to start experimenting with this stuff. I also have a small ABHA coil someone printed for me to make experiments and I think I'll use it just to try. I still think this thing extracts energy from the vacuum, the electrolytic capacitor may be a sign: atoms are the perfect machines where vacuum fluctuations flow back and forward 1:1. I just wonder: what is going to happen if you charge more supercaps instead of the light bulb and use them to charge the electrolytic here?
@allthepeoplewhodoubt... I will explain this phenomenon part 4.. The tesla along with the capacitors is a 100% energy/electricity, with 20-15% take of energy/electricity from the battery transfering that 20% energy/electricity to the capacitors without the bulb. The flaw is that if the light bulb take too much energy(say 90%), capacitors won't be charge anymore or if the wire is cut off the whole thing stops.
You mean that it goes down little by little as the caps drain? Imagine that. I have put together a few joule ringers...from small to large...and the result is always the same. It lasts way longer then it should. The last ringer I made used a measly 10mA and 1.5v to light a 10w cfl for just over 24hrs from a 2000mAh rechargable. The video isn't useless he was doing a test and sharing his results. Watch his next video. He explains it better.
Thanks for your creativity and insight. Regarding this observation, will you make an exception to not replying to comments?? Will you list the number of coil turns, capacitor value and load value that facilitate extended ringing/resonance??
Fabulous... again!
My explanation for the supercap not working is this:
The larger capacity takes longer to fill then dump so the frequency is all off.
Tesla wrote/spoke about this, but it is buried in his lectures.
So, you have between 200 and 300 khz. My jtc that had 208hz, the best cap for repeating the spikes was 580pF! so this is pretty interesting that you get it with 10000uF.
Great work,
Thank you for this video,
jeanna
CONGRATULATIONS - You built a almost perfect resonance circuit. By increasing the diameter of the coil wire you will drop some resistance and that will increase the "charging power" My next step will be larger coil wire for lower coil resistance. Very very impressive.
When you run the setup with the regular electrolytic cap, it looks like you "got lucky" with your choice of JT transformer configuration. The setup manages to generate current pulses that are short and sweet and have just enough energy to ignite the CFL. The CFL is not very bright, but it does light up. So in a way you have a JT circuit that generates "Goldilocks" energy that just manage to light the CFL with minimum energy per pulse. The key here is the JT transformer configuration.
I must add..the coil and the superior fuji circuit also has a huge role to play in this..but its still a beauty to see it run like that.. good day!!
That's a great circuit to play with, would love to replicate it. Can't wait to see the specs.
Thanks for sharing this :-)
@HugMyNutz
You think I have batteries in the tube? I can assure you that there are no batteries apart from the 9v batteries that I show in the video being used. This circuit has been replicated by many with success. The reason the light gets dim over time is that the capacitors are discharging. The system recharges instantly when connected to a power source for only a split second. You should look at my other Joule Ringer videos where I show the schematic.
somehow the ferrite coil is recharging the capacitors, thats why its still lighting up.. capacitors just lose power as soon as you put load on it.. this one is stubbornly lit!!
You are right. I will have to add it to my website. The schematics and replications are on the overunityDOTcom forum under the topic Joule Ringer!
Do you have a link?i want to see the diagram pls
A very efficient version of joule thief. Congrats.
Lasersaber, you've outdone yourself!
this is awesome!
what a way to end the year -
it's going to be a great year for new energy in 2011.
Very nice job! I have an idea, instead of the 9V battery, I will use a 9V solar cell array to energize your circuit.
This is the BEST video from you..it intriques me that the puny electrolytic capacitor that looks so useless can keep the circuit running ..this is definitely amazing news I heard in a long long time!! I just hope I can replicate this one day and see this phenomena myself
This is a testament to the efficiency of the CFL, but LEDs are more efficient. I suspect you'd get more light for a longer time with an efficient LED controller on that bank of charged capacitors.
if you notice when you "ring" (as you call it) the battery, the frequency increase NOT the voltage. This circuit is frequency dependent. Higher freq = more AC power.
great work lasersaber. like what new developments you come up with. hope to see a schematic soon to replicate. cheers
@Iseekoutthetruth it's a: Pocket-Sized Digital Oscilloscope with 2.8" TFT LCD Module
could you use larger capacitor and have them be charged by solar power and than use that to power a electric car motor?
I plan on making a very large capacitor to pull a charge from the air and run the circuit and see about running a lot of cfl bulbs. I will look for the modified circuit.
Thanks I will post an up date when I get it running.
where di you get that little scope from?
have you try to use a Marko Rodin coil yet?
This system with the soln1 could continually be powered any drawings we can download?
how can I find a meter like the one you have here in your video
Well this guy, Lasersaber, isn't one of them. He is just obsessed with efficiency. He just wants some light in his shed with more efficiency than he can get from an inverter and he has done that. The rest of the time he is just noodling around.
When you remove the capacitor at around 9:35 does your meter still reading a voltage it looks like it remains at the same voltage even after you remove the super cap?
@jeannacav
I think you are exactly right on this one. I have had the same experience with some pulse width modulators (PWM's) I have built. My DC motors wouldn't run right when the caps had too much capacitance because it took too long to "fill then dump" .
Good call!
Good call!
One more bit of advice. You might neaten up all your clip leads. Mutual induction between clip-leads can augment or dampen. So you want all your wires cleanly separated.
Wow! Thanks Lasersaber. Keep em coming.
Hi when testing to see what stops the circuit, don't forget to apply and earthed shield over the coil itself, maybe Alu foil sheet (with earth clip) placed loosly over coil. As circuit might be powered by stray EM fields picked up in your coil assy.
Good job. It takes small current but I want to know if there is some feedback current that slowly recharge the capacitors, to keep it running a long time.
very interesting.. what i cant figure out is why or how it would continue to resonate the same way even after you are changing the capacitance by adding or removing the caps..
interesting question, outside my hours i stick a stainless steal rod into teh ground about a foot and just north of that i place a copper one in the ground, measuring voltage between them it is about 800 mv and then switch it over to ac and it registered on the 600 ac volts scale 1.3 or 1.4 volts ac how can i take that voltage and step it up to something use full in ac or dc
Hey lasersaber I was looking for the schematic of the self ringing joule ringer on your site and I couldn't find it. Did you ever upload it? I couldn't find the schematic on the overunityDOTcom either (i registered as a member just for that circuit). Gimme the circuit please, if at all possible. I'm diving head first into this this, thanx.
the hand-held oscilloscope how much and how can i buy one
from ebay..
The fuji HV circuit without the (Joule ringer) will eat up AA fast and then off to by more batteries. This circuit is substantial. ... going further shuttling capacitors in sequentially. . replace batties with supercap as your source so the test goes faster. compare mA over time using capacitors as shown vs mA over time using supercap and fuji only as a possible test setup measuring amp draw on bulb .THANKYOU nice work.
WOW..Great video Lasersaber.
I"m wondering if you could set itself to a timer to the battery to charge itself when ever it drops too low in voltage before it dies
Very cool... Would like to try one of these, how soon can you get something posted?, and where can I get one of those mini scopes?
wow! is that efficient as hell!! good work my man!
Looks good,
how much uF do your caps have and was that the output scope voltage directly at the CFL bulb ?
Is this a real handheld scope or just a converted portable audio player with
Input waveform display ?
Many thanks. Looking forward to the circuit diagram.
Regards, Stefan.
Outstanding. Where can I get an O-cope like that beauty?
Thanks for sharing.
Ed
That's a great little oscilloscope
Awesome work, what is the model of the oscilloscope?
Nice! I would love to see the scematic, know the parts and wire gage + turns...
Very inspiring!
Cheers...
very cool,
where is the follow up video to this with schmatic?
thanks
I like to buy that setup how much? maybe it only require one capacitor to charge up and hold the power, what is the voltage reading at the end of the light connection plug more device to it run more device and charge up the battery in the end of it?
One more thing ... Do you find that if the CFL is near the coil, it works better? If you move the CFL away from the coil, is it harder to make work?
what type of scope is that and where can I get one and how much does it cost.
when you have many caps in parallel you decrease the losses in from the equivalent series resistance (ESR) of the caps. How come the light doesn't quickly dissipate the energy into heat? I would have thought that it would last for a few seconds.
Amazing videos - again and again.
Very intersting and a good job.
What´s the name of the nice small scope. I never have seen it before.
How much is it and where I can get it?
Go ahead.
Thx for sharing.
@Howtomake12261 No, they hold "Electricity". Capacitors aren't designed for steady power draw either. If you just slap a cap on a light, you'll get a momentary flash.
Dear sir, please post a schematic on this so we can see this ultra super unity for ourselves !! what are capacitor ratings ? How many layers of windings are there on that large coil..the caps are charging the joule thief for a while but the joule thief is somehow charging the multi layered coils to the point it begins behaving like a captret..this phenomena is recharging the cap to the joule thief to and fro i think..this is wonderful !! Youre very close to a Hendershot Circuit i think..
Nice work man! Hv u ever tried zu combine the JT with a Bedini? My JT is able tu run an Bedini from 3.7V.
happy new year and keep up good work..maybe u will get more electrons from the grounding.. do dwell into the roy meyers magnet experiment as well if you have the time.. i have failed so far but i think you will hit something there too judging from your expertise in these experiments!!
I think you found the geometry that allows you to expand the pulse out over many seconds from an initial impulse... did you put up a schematic for this?
Did you ever make a map for this and did anybody else succeeded in building something like this circuit ?
EMF under the table feeding the coil?
What is the ESR rating on the electrolytic vs the super?
The majority of the energy stored is on the coil, the capacitors enabled the circuit and those don't store much energy compared to the magnetic flux on the coil. The capacitors are only needed to run the joule thief when the battery is disconnected, and the tube will continue glowing until the magnetic field on the coil fully collapses. Could have uses in hand-powered flashlight and such, as a magnetic coil is much more efficient at storing a charge compared to rechargable battery or capacitors.
are you playin around with bemf in your system at all when your talkin about ringin
Wow! Very interesting! You do better document everything in details. What value are the capacitors and how much time does the system run on one capacitor?
Good job I like the addition of the second coil I'll try this next I have some videos along the same line except I am using 1-2.5watt led bulbs and the resonance seems to last longer and I had a tough time lighting a cfl for any length of time Xmas lights stay lit for 15-20 minutes I think due to the way they run the diodes and resistors in the circut, keep up the great work
i suspect the thing is that your RLC circuit is not tuned to work with a super capacitor.
also a super capacitor might used for a different use like for adding energy from time to time.
is that capasitor act as temporary battery?
Im assuming you removed the PWM circuit from the LED and the CFL globes? ;)
Your the best poster I've seen here. Great communication and complete narration of important observations.
Do you find the circuit must have a CFL to work at the high levels you've acheived?
I believe the plasma with KR-85 gas gives JT that extra kick!
Thanks man.
how long does the light stay on for when unpluged?
if u put more power to spike with would the light be brighter? can you go over a tutorial to make this.
This looks OU, given the charge on the capacitors and the time the lamp glows, have you measured it all?
@allthepeoplewhodoubt... I will explain this phenomenon part 2... Firstly he run the electricity by battery then he increase the electricity output with the tesla coil. Having more electricity output with the tesla coil, he then charge the capacitors and at the same time lighting the bulb. Having charge the capacitors you can now have the light bulb running non-stop after the battery is removed.
where do you buy those coils ? or do i need to make it myself? Really want to buy thats more easy for me...;)
HOW LONG DOES IT RING ITSELF AFTER BATTERY REMOVAL? Even my cat is drooling for schematics!!!
smart cat
That is really too cool! Have you let it go to see how long it would run? In other words does the light bulb slowly get dimmer without the battery? Don
very cool. what size capacitors did you use for that
The ferrite coil is also a capacitor, the winding and size of the ferrite play a role here. You have high voltage but, high resistance, the amount of light isn't impressive from an 8v source.
how are you connecting the caaps s or p
Agreed that is a beautiful oscilloscope. Does it work as nice as it looks and if so...where did you get it? :)
Interesting, I wonder what happens if you ground it...
He never said it would just keep ringing and ringing. Pay attention and look at some of his other videos. He shows you that the caps are storing the power to ring the circuit for longer then usual. Joule thief's have been around awhile under different names. All they do is use every last possible electron, but much can be learned from a joule thief or joule ringer. So please chillax and pay attention.
I got this to work with to work with 2 100 f super capaciterz in a parralel series feed back loop went 5 days on 2 minute charge awesome also used heavy duty winding
+Koty Butler What is a Parallel Series feed back loop??
Yes help please
How long will the light stay lit when the battery is disconnected ?
Put the super capacitors on the battery hookup spot that way the energy is being recycled into the electrolyte capacitors but the main charge last longer on the battery end. The super capacitor on the battery end will hold the charge longer while the electrolytes continue to function..In a since it'll replace the battery and should double or triple your duration without keeping the battery hooked up full time.
so, if all circuits were designed this way, then you turn on your light, set it up to detect power drop, then ring the circuit again, and do this for every electronic thing we own we could cut our power consumption down to a null amount huh?
Can you do that for me?
how long till the curcuit dies?
hey nice scope!
Quite amazing the super cap didn't cut it. Do you think you could replace the CFL load with something else, or does it have to be a flouro tube to work? anyway, this Prooves that something else is going on. I await for more.
Could provide an awesome emergency light... maybe take the guts from a shakey flashlight and put your circuit on top. Take it with you on the bus and the rough ride will keep the light lit!
dud were did you get that small scop at that is sweet as hell I like to find of of those some were were did you get it tell me I have got to know please lol.
The reasonable assumption for the supercap is that the ESR is too high for the JT transformer to function properly. Therefore the circuit fails to oscillate and as a result the transformer coil just looks like a dumb resistor shorting out the supercap. So "failure to oscillate" spells doom for the supercap for this application.
also, what occurs if you use AC caps and NOT electrolytic. The latter are polarized which is not good for AC.
how long does this run on without the battery? and if there's more capacitors does that mean more run time? sorry really trying to figure this out. Does this mean with the battery spiking the system once in a while it'll run for a very long time?
Maby a small hand-crank generator would be nice to keep adding in some energy.
is the dso nano v2
Today I bought components to start experimenting with this stuff. I also have a small ABHA coil someone printed for me to make experiments and I think I'll use it just to try. I still think this thing extracts energy from the vacuum, the electrolytic capacitor may be a sign: atoms are the perfect machines where vacuum fluctuations flow back and forward 1:1. I just wonder: what is going to happen if you charge more supercaps instead of the light bulb and use them to charge the electrolytic here?
PLEEEEZE Make ANOTHER video....That was AWESOME!!!!
@allthepeoplewhodoubt... I will explain this phenomenon part 4.. The tesla along with the capacitors is a 100% energy/electricity, with 20-15% take of energy/electricity from the battery transfering that 20% energy/electricity to the capacitors without the bulb. The flaw is that if the light bulb take too much energy(say 90%), capacitors won't be charge anymore or if the wire is cut off the whole thing stops.
this reminds me of the camera flash circuit, which uses two transistors/coils to step up a 1.5v battery to charge a 330v cap.
sir the caps are in series or parallel?
You mean that it goes down little by little as the caps drain? Imagine that. I have put together a few joule ringers...from small to large...and the result is always the same. It lasts way longer then it should. The last ringer I made used a measly 10mA and 1.5v to light a 10w cfl for just over 24hrs from a 2000mAh rechargable. The video isn't useless he was doing a test and sharing his results. Watch his next video. He explains it better.
That's incredible, you can post any schematics? Pleeeeeeease!
What voltage is your bird running at (LOL). What kind of tester is that?
That's fantastic. Great work.
Thanks for your creativity and insight. Regarding this observation, will you make an exception to not replying to comments?? Will you list the number of coil turns, capacitor value and load value that facilitate extended ringing/resonance??