People trying to find ways to understand communication differences in ways that aren't deficit based and instead about how others can try different technique to get the message makes me smile uncontrollably. I feel like a tiny part of me needs to see this. Thank you
@@samaryusuf1004 at 26, he is able to make his daily wants and needs understood. However, he is less able to spontaneously generate less-scripted language easily. He was unable to write college level essays, for instance. If there is a political idea he wants to discuss, he will show us a video to make his point as he often can’t explain what the other speaker means. If he is emotional, sometimes he has trouble speaking at all. That being said, he was quite able to hold a job as a grocery check out person, and he currently does QA checks for a bank. I guess the biggest help for him was having a great speech therapist at school, and as much exposure to language as possible.
I came here just for this comment. @ the other commenter - Using the word while speaking English doesn’t change the phoneme, especially when both the hard and soft G sounds are idiomatic in English.
For sure- and there’s a million others too. How about “education” where the “du” is incorrectly pronounced as a “ ju” go around pronouncing it as a du and you will be judged. 😂
My son is 4.7yrs old ..... he has just started exploring the world... i m clueless from where shall i start even the therapists are just trying n trying .... but ive notice whatever i keep on repeating he tries to repeat the easier ones..... like old mc donalds i used to just sing this rhy and wheels on the bus goes round n round ..... he started repeating iyya iyya yo but then he stopped saying that then our quranic verse i keep on repeating in day time and at night many times he immitates that too though its not clear but he is trying how to teach him i really dont know While bathing him or switching on and off the light i keep on using on and off but he still doesnt say that Mum mum he understands is water Mumma he calls me but when i stop saying that he even stops ...... what shall i do I want someone to properly guide me with a daily plan atleast teach me how to plan his day with me ..... because i know he is a slow learner but he can do it the therapists can give up but i as a mother wont ever give up
Firstly, thank you so much. My child is 3.5y old and is a GLP, he scripts mostly to communicate. From your experience, do you think there is a chance that my child will become conversational as he grows up?
Yes, definitely! The process for acquiring language is very different for GLPs, as they have to work to break apart their language to combine it in new ways instead of slowly building and adding on to their language. If your child is mostly scripting, then he is likely at Stage 1 within the Natural Language Acquisition Framework. Children begin to communicate using novel sentences at Stages 3-4, so I would recommend that you find a therapist who can work with him through these stages!
Can you recommend a website or blog where I can get more info on how to best support my child’s language development. He is 6.5 years old and he’s autistic. He doesn’t communicate well and I believe he is GLP. He definitely said phrases before words and he does a lot of repeating. I really really want to be able to communicate with him better so I’m digging in to this to see what I can do. He’s so sweet but it’s a struggle. He doesn’t ask or answer questions. Your video was so helpful but I’d love to find some more things so I can lean into this more with him.
question: if those children are handling sentences with intense intonation better, wouldn't it make sense for them to learn chinese? also chinese in itself is such an analytic language, it probably does minimal damage to it's grammar or meaning if you process it only in "chunks" of gestalts. for example "let's go to the beach" in chinese basically is: "we to beach" (with "we" being "many Is"). So you don't have the unnecessary "the", you don't have the irregurlar shortening from "us" to " 's " and you don't have the passive form of "we" = "us". I think this must be the perfect language for an autist.
it might be easier for them to learn Chinese, but not better. how would they communicate in an English speaking country (assuming theyre in one)? they would also have to be in a Chinese speaking environment in order to learn Chinese
This is interesting. My child is possibly on the autism spectrum and I suspect he has type 3 hyperlexia. He has also been described as a gestalt language processor. In any case, we speak both Mandarin and English in the household. I speak mostly English to him with a little Chinese and he responds mostly in English. He does have kind of an American accent with his Chinese I've noticed but this is because he hasn't gone through the intonation practice that Chinese Mandarin speakers go through as children. I do notice he can correct his intonation with practice though. But yeah, no idea about your question but its interesting to think about.
I just listened to a great SLP called "Preschool SLP" here on TH-cam, and she says NOT to use "caveman language". In other words, shortening our sentences and leaving out the "the" and other small words from English sentences is not a good idea. I find that my child does understand me when I speak using complex sentences, but does not have much expressive speech himself. Our SLP says scripting should help him
gestalt language development is a theory with zero evidence base, which is why it has been ignored by linguists and autism researchers for over 30 years. i'm hearing therapists attribute incredibly specific meanings to echolalic utterances that could mean any number of things (or nothing). it is not ok to speculate on what an autistic person thinks and feels and presume to speak for them. this is facilitated communication 2.0.
EBP is a three-prong framework and people can sometimes forget that research is only one component. What is often forgotten in clinical expertise/judgement and and caregiver culture. Additionally, there are so many barriers present to researching this topic, as language sampling is very qualitative by nature. There is no 'one size fits all' approach for teaching language, so we are often listening to the lived experiences of Autistic adults and looking for that 'gleam in the eye' when working with our clients to help us determine the meaning of their utterances. If you'd like to check out some of the research we use: Arnold, C. (2019). Flipping the Script: Prioritizing the Autistic Voice in the Understanding of Scripting as “Key to the Autistic Identity.” [Doctoral Dissertation, University of San Francisco] USF Scholarship Repository. repository.usfca.edu/diss/499/ [open access] Blanc, M. (2012). Natural Language Acquisition on the Autism Spectrum: The Journey from Echolalia to Self-Generated Language. Communication Development Center. Peters, A.M. (1983). The Units of Language Acquisition. Cambridge University Press. Prizant, B. (1983). Language acquisition and communicative behaviors in autism: Toward an understanding of the “whole” of it. Journal of Speech and Hearing Disorders. doi.org/10.1044/jshd.4803.296 [available to ASHA members] Prizant, B. M., & Rydell, P. J. (1984). Analysis of functions of delayed echolalia in autistic children. Journal of Speech & Hearing Research. doi.org/10.1044/jshr.2702.183 [available to ASHA members] Stiegler, L. (2015) Examining the echolalia literature: Where do speech-language pathologists stand? American Journal of Speech-Language Pathology. doi.org/10.1044/2015_AJSLP-14-0166 [available to ASHA members]"
Not true gestalt language processing was being used by therapist in the 1970s and the 80s it was recognized. However they moved on from that and concentrated solely on alp. My daughter and her cousins are gestalt language processors so your opinion is not true at all this has been recognized it’s just not taught in graduate programs anymore so it’s less known by a lot of therapists. However it is making a comeback because more and more autistic children communicate this way I should know because I’m autistic and so is my toddler. If your not autistic then you have no clue.
As a parent whose son definitely learns this way and did it on his own with zero help, I can't tell you how wrong you are, and it's a shame that we're assuming that this isn't valid
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People trying to find ways to understand communication differences in ways that aren't deficit based and instead about how others can try different technique to get the message makes me smile uncontrollably. I feel like a tiny part of me needs to see this. Thank you
Interesting,
In ESL this is known as lexicogrammar, seeing language as a whole rather than separate entities of grammar and vocabulary.
This is fantastic, thank you so much!! Concise and accurate and engaging. I'm an autistic peds OT and will be sharing this with parents!
Thank you for this! My toddler is definitely learning this way. This video helps a lot.
Is ur baby conversational now?
This is how my son (with autism, now 26) learns language. I’m glad that this has been better understood now than it was 25 years ago!
Oddly enough, the Star Trek TNG episode “Darmok” helped us understand our son more than anything else.
I am really interested how your son's language level is at the age of 26??? My son is 6 and he has GLP how can I help him to develop his language?
@@samaryusuf1004 at 26, he is able to make his daily wants and needs understood. However, he is less able to spontaneously generate less-scripted language easily. He was unable to write college level essays, for instance. If there is a political idea he wants to discuss, he will show us a video to make his point as he often can’t explain what the other speaker means. If he is emotional, sometimes he has trouble speaking at all. That being said, he was quite able to hold a job as a grocery check out person, and he currently does QA checks for a bank. I guess the biggest help for him was having a great speech therapist at school, and as much exposure to language as possible.
This blew my mind. This describes my son 100% wow! My son does have echolalia too.
Thank you for this description. I have some families who do not do other forms of social media. I will definitely share this video.
Thank you for this!
Please note that “Gestalt” is a German word, and is pronounced with a hard G.
(It is not related to the word “gestation”.)
but this is English use....
I came here just for this comment.
@ the other commenter - Using the word while speaking English doesn’t change the phoneme, especially when both the hard and soft G sounds are idiomatic in English.
For sure- and there’s a million others too. How about “education” where the “du” is incorrectly pronounced as a “ ju” go around pronouncing it as a du and you will be judged. 😂
Thank s very much for this amazing tips. I will try that with my autist son
This describes my daughter, exactly.
My son is 4.7yrs old ..... he has just started exploring the world... i m clueless from where shall i start even the therapists are just trying n trying .... but ive notice whatever i keep on repeating he tries to repeat the easier ones..... like old mc donalds i used to just sing this rhy and wheels on the bus goes round n round ..... he started repeating iyya iyya yo but then he stopped saying that then our quranic verse i keep on repeating in day time and at night many times he immitates that too though its not clear but he is trying how to teach him i really dont know
While bathing him or switching on and off the light i keep on using on and off but he still doesnt say that
Mum mum he understands is water
Mumma he calls me but when i stop saying that he even stops ...... what shall i do
I want someone to properly guide me with a daily plan atleast teach me how to plan his day with me ..... because i know he is a slow learner but he can do it the therapists can give up but i as a mother wont ever give up
Thanks!
I can't figure it out if my girl is a GLP or analytical, or both. How can I figure it out?
would love to read the blog article referenced here!
emergepediatrictherapy.com/gestalt-language-development/
Firstly, thank you so much. My child is 3.5y old and is a GLP, he scripts mostly to communicate. From your experience, do you think there is a chance that my child will become conversational as he grows up?
Yes, definitely! The process for acquiring language is very different for GLPs, as they have to work to break apart their language to combine it in new ways instead of slowly building and adding on to their language. If your child is mostly scripting, then he is likely at Stage 1 within the Natural Language Acquisition Framework. Children begin to communicate using novel sentences at Stages 3-4, so I would recommend that you find a therapist who can work with him through these stages!
@@emergepediatrictherapy Thank you so much!
Can you recommend a website or blog where I can get more info on how to best support my child’s language development. He is 6.5 years old and he’s autistic. He doesn’t communicate well and I believe he is GLP. He definitely said phrases before words and he does a lot of repeating. I really really want to be able to communicate with him better so I’m digging in to this to see what I can do. He’s so sweet but it’s a struggle. He doesn’t ask or answer questions. Your video was so helpful but I’d love to find some more things so I can lean into this more with him.
Oh gosh. I posted this before i finished this video to the end. I will check out the blog! Thank you!
This is our therapist's favorite blog. Our staff does continuing education courses with them too!
www.meaningfulspeech.com/blog
question: if those children are handling sentences with intense intonation better, wouldn't it make sense for them to learn chinese?
also chinese in itself is such an analytic language, it probably does minimal damage to it's grammar or meaning if you process it only in "chunks" of gestalts. for example "let's go to the beach" in chinese basically is: "we to beach" (with "we" being "many Is").
So you don't have the unnecessary "the", you don't have the irregurlar shortening from "us" to " 's " and you don't have the passive form of "we" = "us".
I think this must be the perfect language for an autist.
it might be easier for them to learn Chinese, but not better.
how would they communicate in an English speaking country (assuming theyre in one)? they would also have to be in a Chinese speaking environment in order to learn Chinese
This is interesting. My child is possibly on the autism spectrum and I suspect he has type 3 hyperlexia. He has also been described as a gestalt language processor. In any case, we speak both Mandarin and English in the household. I speak mostly English to him with a little Chinese and he responds mostly in English. He does have kind of an American accent with his Chinese I've noticed but this is because he hasn't gone through the intonation practice that Chinese Mandarin speakers go through as children. I do notice he can correct his intonation with practice though. But yeah, no idea about your question but its interesting to think about.
I just listened to a great SLP called "Preschool SLP" here on TH-cam, and she says NOT to use "caveman language". In other words, shortening our sentences and leaving out the "the" and other small words from English sentences is not a good idea. I find that my child does understand me when I speak using complex sentences, but does not have much expressive speech himself. Our SLP says scripting should help him
Where was this information 6 or 7 years ago? 😫
gestalt language development is a theory with zero evidence base, which is why it has been ignored by linguists and autism researchers for over 30 years. i'm hearing therapists attribute incredibly specific meanings to echolalic utterances that could mean any number of things (or nothing). it is not ok to speculate on what an autistic person thinks and feels and presume to speak for them. this is facilitated communication 2.0.
EBP is a three-prong framework and people can sometimes forget that research is only one component. What is often forgotten in clinical expertise/judgement and and caregiver culture. Additionally, there are so many barriers present to researching this topic, as language sampling is very qualitative by nature. There is no 'one size fits all' approach for teaching language, so we are often listening to the lived experiences of Autistic adults and looking for that 'gleam in the eye' when working with our clients to help us determine the meaning of their utterances. If you'd like to check out some of the research we use:
Arnold, C. (2019). Flipping the Script: Prioritizing the Autistic Voice in the Understanding of Scripting as “Key to the Autistic Identity.” [Doctoral Dissertation, University of San Francisco] USF Scholarship Repository. repository.usfca.edu/diss/499/ [open access]
Blanc, M. (2012). Natural Language Acquisition on the Autism Spectrum: The Journey from Echolalia to Self-Generated Language. Communication Development Center.
Peters, A.M. (1983). The Units of Language Acquisition. Cambridge University Press. Prizant, B. (1983). Language acquisition and communicative behaviors in autism: Toward an understanding of the “whole” of it. Journal of Speech and Hearing Disorders. doi.org/10.1044/jshd.4803.296 [available to ASHA members]
Prizant, B. M., & Rydell, P. J. (1984). Analysis of functions of delayed echolalia in autistic children. Journal of Speech & Hearing Research. doi.org/10.1044/jshr.2702.183 [available to ASHA members]
Stiegler, L. (2015) Examining the echolalia literature: Where do speech-language pathologists stand? American Journal of Speech-Language Pathology. doi.org/10.1044/2015_AJSLP-14-0166 [available to ASHA members]"
Not true gestalt language processing was being used by therapist in the 1970s and the 80s it was recognized. However they moved on from that and concentrated solely on alp. My daughter and her cousins are gestalt language processors so your opinion is not true at all this has been recognized it’s just not taught in graduate programs anymore so it’s less known by a lot of therapists. However it is making a comeback because more and more autistic children communicate this way I should know because I’m autistic and so is my toddler. If your not autistic then you have no clue.
As a parent whose son definitely learns this way and did it on his own with zero help, I can't tell you how wrong you are, and it's a shame that we're assuming that this isn't valid
this teacher is so adorable and attractive. it's sad I will never meet her in real life.
Would be better if you showed examples