Riviera Plaza: Dead Malls Are Not The Only Problem | Retail Archaeology
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- In this episode we take a look at Riviera Plaza in Mesa, AZ and discuss the growing problem of empty retail space. This is one of the deadest shopping centers I've ever seen. Dead malls are not the only problem for retail.
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The plaza should be converted into apartments. With the existing layout it would be such a cute community. Dead malls are such a great opportunity for apartment spaces!
Cities don't often like doing housing projects unless they have no other choice
If you turn it into affordable living, it will turn into a racial thing about injustice for low income people. If you turn into a nice expensive living space, it will turn into "gentrification" (another racial thing).
@Alice Borealis That would would be nice
I like the idea, but the logistics of it would be a nightmare, it’s doable, everyone needs to be on the same page then again how often does that work out, never, imo, it’s not profitable that’s why it will never happen
A lot of retail spaces are dying because communities around them are dying. That does not seem to be the case here.
somewhere there's a barefoot skater kid rolling around trying to remember where he left his shoes
He'll probably be back to take another leak in the evening.
Your delivery on the "m-m-m-m-m abandoned" line made chuckle unexpectedly.
Good one.
Hi, I had to comment on your video. I grew up in this area and when i got married, we bought our house here. We're talking 40 + years. This was a great place. Flowers and Such had beautiful floral arrangements and decor. They expanded from the front corner store all the way to the back. They were the first to relocate in the late 80's or early 90's I can't remember exactly because there was a dispute
with the owners. This mall was great in it's heyday. They've tried to resurrect it a couple of times but it just kept getting worse. A year or 2 ago, the roof in the Goodwill collapsed. The owners had to fix that. It's really sad how bad it is.
The US has way too much retail space and more keeps being built. I’ve seen a few of these old kinds of strip malls / plazas survive, but usually they convert from retail to service occupants.
Dentist offices, restaurants, cleaners, gyms, climbing centers, trampoline places, medical centers, community colleges, libraries, etc.
It is fascinating. The commercial real estate apocalypse.
Yeah really. First it was the housing crash in 08 for residential real estate, and now this.
@@Trekkie101GC At least with residential people will always need a place to live. The commercial real estate problem is much more chronic because of the way business has shifted to the internet.
Suck My Ass - even before internet shopping arrived, there was still a lot of over development of these types of spaces, often subsidized by cities competing for sales tax revenue, at distances that the subsidized mall or large would only work if put one nearby out of business.
In Austin a few years ago, the local community college bought one of the older languishing malls and converted it into a new campus. I feel like a very productive use of these spaces would be to turn them into things like community colleges or trade schools with low tuition prices. Ppl could then obtain some sort of skilled trade certification and earn a decent living without having to sacrifice many years on schooling or take on debt for university tuition.
I miss that mall, Highland Mall quickly died out after 2005 or so. We visited there just about everytime we went to Austin. The college really improved the prospects of that piece of property because it would have probably sat empty for years otherwise.
Maybe it can be a used for both retail and living space. Convert some vacant shop fronts into apartments/condos, add a movie theater, and then tell me where to sign. lol
Good idea
Costs too much to retrofit the buildings for legal residential occupancy.
CherryIsTrash is right. There are so many housing codes that have to be met (more than 200 pages of codes, in most states) in order to convert a retail space into housing, that it is usually cheaper to bulldoze it and build something new there.
However... since it is a plaza, and not an enclosed mall... perhaps they can bulldoze only *part* of it and build new housing there, then fill the remaining retail space with businesses that cater to the residents so that they are within walking distance of food, clothing, a hair salon, etc.
I think the issue with these types of layouts is the stores that are not directly facing the street and parking lot are essentially invisible to the average customer walking or driving by. People just simply are not going to go wandering around and exploring deep in a plaza unless they have a specific reason to go in there.
And being 'outdoors' in Arizona is not going to cause a lot of people to wander around the inner area.
I imagine this place could be a good place for a school
Blue387 yeah or a civic center for summer activities
Future site of an Amazon Distribution Center
Haha Phoenix already has one of the largest fulfillment centers in the country.
Probably not I mean retail sales only makeup8 to 10% of all retail sales which means a shit and by the way all retails in the shiter you know why because incomes are shit it's an income deficiency across-the-board is why everything is pretty much failing look at the manufacturing index for couple months it's falling off a cliff... The world industry index has also fallen off a cliff pretty alarming stuff!!
Amazon's not really as big a deal as they've been trying to tell you that it is really they have service and the internet alone has served as an excuse for piss poor management and a government that loves to cover up that there's an income deficiency they just decided to blame the internet to explain to the idiotic sheep why sales are down in certain stores...
find fortunately most of you don't know jackshit about retail nor business so you eat it up!!
Hopefully I didn't hurt any snowflake feelings!! Oh noI might be a bad man!!
It's on the wrong side of the valley. All of Amazon's FCs and returns center are near I10
steveosk8s two
Knock it down, build a Walmart! Then close the old Walmart a quarter mile away.
The earliest idea for malls were for them to become self-sustaining communities, with apartments, schools, doctor's offices, recreational areas, and of course stores. I think that perhaps we could go back to that kind of idea for these massive buildings. Convert part of the mall into living spaces, and have the rest be small stores, restaurants, dentists, and other things you need to live. The areas for anchor stores can be converted to movie theaters, indoor go-karting or mini-golf places, or perhaps indoor parks or arboretums. Really make them self-sustaining communities where people can live, work, and play. The real question is where we'll get the money for all of this.
I buy crap houses and renovate them for new tenants. A single home after renovation these days cost 150-200k. I couldn’t imagine getting multimillion dollar loans from the bank for something like that. The division of the property would be easy but you need to install bathrooms, kitchens, etc. plus most of these property need to be rezoned for residential or mixed which is another pain. I say for a small mall like this would easily be in the tens of millions after all the cost
A friend of mine from California said that Main Place Mall and South Coast Plaza are converting empty anchor stores into high rise apartments.
J Smith those were already built by obama. Remember the fema death camps Alex Jones always kept going on about? Theyre being held there
You just described UN agenda 21/30
Zoning.
When you said "neighborhood" along with that music in the background, I immediately thought "Mr. Rogers."
I spent most of my childhood in that center, from shopping at Fry's to being bored in the flower n such shop where my mom bought paintings.
So what was the "N Such" at "Flowers N Such"?
RIP Quiznos.
They offered limited ed lobster 🦐 salad sub... 😔
Quiznos > Subway
The quality of their products was one of the downfalls of the chain, especially using frozen and thawed out bread. Then corporate wanted to shake more and more money out of the franchisees. I am surprised that the chain still exists, it is not nearly as good as it was in the early 2000's.
I found out being a franchise owner for them was a financial nightmare. RIP Quiznos
@@madisonatteberry9720 It was some TH-cam video I saw years ago that explained how bad of an idea it was to become a franchise owner of quiznos back when they were expanding.I forgot the name of the channel though sorry.I always wanted to go to one back in the mid 2000's but my dad was never interested in taking me and my brothers to one.
You could keep these plazas/malls going if you had a three tiers approach;
1: Have short-term service providers like a gym, hairdressers, coffee, cinema (or flavor of the week like escape rooms).
2: Cheap living quaters or self-storage.
3: Warehouses for shipping local online orders above a retail space with better offers on products for walk-in customers.
That’s if they should carry on. I’m nostalgic for retail malls, but they do serve a function for the dis-advantaged who can’t shop online for whatever reason.
Convert the dead retail space into mixed use. We still need new housing in most parts of this country.
There's a failed outlet strip mall in my area that was turned into an office complex.
Ddr Hazy yea!
Costs too much to retrofit all of these buildings into housing for legal occupancy.
@@cherryistrash4080 that is very true. In addition to structural damage, electrical and plumbing are also most likely in an extreme state of disrepair.
@@cherryistrash4080 Yes. They just need to bulldoze the strip mall and put in those little "park model trailers" with a driveway between them. Millennials are fairly "minimalist" in their lifestyle choices so space wouldn't be an issue, and most park models run $30K or less. You could get a fairly frugal person to invest in a $30K home.
Welcome to another quality Moonbeam property where we don't care who or if anyone ever visits but we will turn your once thriving property to a dead mall masterpiece
They ruined Burlington Center Mall. Good thing Ocean county mall and Morestown mall is under better ownership. Plus, they know how to turn dead anchors into more stores (lifestyle center in Simon's case.). MoonBeam needs to go out of business.
Probably just a tax write off shell-corp.
Same outfit that had Century III in Pittsburgh boarded up this year.
Yes, and crash the housing market in the immediate area, then strangle hold the properties, for gentrification at a much later date for investors. This practice should be outlawed.
Have to comment on your "Live, Laugh, Love" mention. LOL
Would be badass if all those empty lots would have been restaurants due to all the shaded area for people can wait
Meanwhile a new plaza will be built soon about 15 minutes away from me.
Oddly appropriate user photo for your comment.
as much as I don't like government intervention, this is a time where LOCAL governments need to step up and make the developers answer for these dead spaces. Like wetland conservation groups are able to do. Example: a developer want to build in an area, but the area has an environmental easement on it. The developer has to get approval and has to be able to provide anywhere from 1.5 to 2 times the space they are going to take to recreate the wetland areas needed for wildlife. That's a Reader's Digest version of it, but you get the idea. Developers of new plazas and other retail areas should have to follow the same guidelines to help make useful or eliminate these deal areas. After all, teh developers built them in the first place, sold them or just let them die a painful death.
"Mmmmm. Abandoned!" Hahaha. I chuckled at that...
I bet there's some abandoned locations scattered across the country still. (Company has no one but themselves to blame for that - you can't treat your franchisees like crap and expect the customer to not notice!)
More like the chain is Mmmmmmmmm... toasted. lol
Turn these dead malls into office spaces or homeless shelters. Otherwise tear them down and make more public parks and nature preserves.
Nature preserves would be nice.
Costs too much to tear it all down and turn it into a nature preserve.
Office spaces aren't doing so hot. Our Fed controlled economy is hot, isn't it?
No homeless shelter there I live down the street and dont want a bunch of heroin addicts moving from CC to Gilbert Rd thank you. We have enough already around here
Arizonans don't care for the homeless too much. Its actually illegal to assist the homeless in any way in Arizona. You will find there is a lack of shelters and the homelessness numbers reported by the media are a laughing stock and definitely not the true numbers.
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The local grocery store chain in my area (Market Basket) has been growing lately. It's sorta the opposite over here, Walmart's and target's are in stiff competition with Market Basket. Their customer base has been very loyal to them 👀
Dan Bell Release the 1st new episode of The Dead Mall Serise of 2019 and you also have a new dead Shopping Center video.2 of my favorite Dead Mall enthusiasts have new content to share today. making for an awesometaculer friday for me.
There was a new dan bell release a few days ago on his channel.
That place is huge! I could definitely see it being a Residential Plaza and movie theater!
You find these empty plazas all over the east coast as well. It's been happening ever since the advent of online shopping and the proliferation of Walmart. There is one in particular near me that was once anchored by a Giant food. The Giant closed and slowly the other shops closed as well. Now there is a Burger King standalone and maybe one restaurant in the contiguous plaza. The one place left has a sign in the window stating "Yes! We are still open."
I know a few shopping centers like this in PA. That said, I do think that they're gonna have to make a lot of changes to these shopping plazas before people can use them again. Realistically they're built very cheaply, and aren't designed to last more than 30-40 years.
That said, you did mention that more shopping centers are constantly being built, and you're absolutely right that continuing to build more shopping centers isn't sustainable. I follow Strong Towns, an advocacy group that pushes for local governments to make changes to allow more productive developments to be built on existing land rather than building on new, unclaimed land and assuming all the related infrastructure liabilities. Ultimately, I think to some degree the present retail apocalypse is a symptom of the fact that continuing to build outwards rather than re-using what already exists isn't a sustainable long-term strategy.
Your videos are so relaxing.
I think it’s better to demolish these places.Retail will never come back to these shopping centres.Its only a matter of time before it becomes an eyesore due to vandalism.
I don't understand how ANY retail business stays open anymore.
ZnenTitan Think the majority are hanging by a thread.👍🇬🇧
It is being done deliberately by big business, to drive down property value in the area. They want to hold and destroy the area for 50 years and then re gentrify it for investors. It is very wrong to due.
@@ZnenTitan cmon now. Depends on the area. I work in a retail space right near the highway. Brings in alot of business. The old mall was torn down and they made it into a strip mall with different businesses etc.
@@Deenique16 mixed use =where it's at!
I think a plaza like this could easily repurpose for use as a K-12 school. You could turn the shops into classrooms and labs quite easily. Part of the parking lot could turn into a PE field.
Problem is private investors want to make money. I sort of feel like if a mall goes under, since it probably got a special deal in the first place to be built in the city, that the malls should go back to the cities to figure out how to repurpose them. Public facilities do not make private investors wealthy. It also takes a long time and a lot of decay of these facilities until the can foreclose on these properties. By then it cost too much to renovate on the tax payer dime.
I think these investors ought to be forced to turn a profit break even or have the city step in to start and take over part of these building at no cost to themselves . Mall does well they get to keep their shops. It does not, the city gets to use the space and the property management pays the utilities.
So many memories! This is in the neighborhood I grew up in. The sidewalk next to the fabric store (seen at the end of the video): that's where I picked up and folded my newspapers for my paper route. Rainbow Clothing? The shoe store where I bought my first pair of running shoes (a pair of Omegas). The space with all the racks? A dry cleaners with a drive through. At the east end facing Gilbert Rd was an ice cream shop where I went every week after collecting money on my paper route, before going to the Chase Bank in the parking lot south of Fry"s. There was also a pet store facing Gilbert Rd, a bookstore on the interior space. The owners of Flowers N Such, Bob and Deb Lewis, hired me to mow the lawn at their house, and hired my sister to work in their store. Like I said, alot of memories.
Hey! That's right by my house. I had no idea what it looked like. I've only been to Garcia's in that plaza. We'll have to check it out.
Student housing would be the answer in my country but the property prices are probably a whole lot lower over there.
I’m a big fan of Dan Bell and am so happy I found your channel too! I always think this space and dead malls could be a great place for homeless/transient people to have small apartments along with counseling services, a place for them to work and also use the services where they are employed, etc. Almost like a mini village to help them integrate back into “normal society”. But I have no idea if/how that’s attainable.
Driving around Terre Haute IN today I noticed locations which were going to be a Plaza by now, but are still just overgrown land -- not abandoned, just never built.
Looks like my shopping center, I think the dollar general closed now
I went back to my shopping center .. all of the stores have gone... There's trees missing out of The middle taken down by a mall that has no pride... Hey o where did ya go shopping center??
@@American-Motors-Corporation I don't know if its open or not because the door is locked yet its during business hours. The place had many stores back then, but the mall stole some stores and many moved to the mall. The shopping center is doing worse with Payless closing and even another dollar closing. Few stores remain
@@SearsCool well it's the economy... there's an income deficiency across the country in the thing is as we can't really support those stores anymore!! many of those small type stores just was too high-priced they did it to themselves they've also run themselves in the ground with debt!!
nothing is as those of us under the age of forty a generally we don't really get to go blow money like everyone else did you know the boomers in the Gen xers back in the 90s and early 2000s got to blow all this money of course it didn't really do any good I mean that's the thing is I think a lot of us actually we're the ones that took the lesson from the last economic crash which by the way never really ended!!
JCPenney is in 4.5 billion dollars of debt Kohl's is about 2.8 billion dollars in debt Macy's is nearly 10 billion dollars in debt!! That's in the ball park of just over 17 billion dollars in debt just across three lousy companies in one lousy... of course there's more debt to be had retail is nearly 30 billion in the hole if not 50 billion!!
this stupid excuse of blaming online retailers and just the online arena is a hole is just that it's just purely stupid it's a piss-poor excuse used by bad management trying to cover up their screw-ups... Now at the same time it's used by government to try and cover stop the fact that there really is an income deficiency and its screwing everyone!!
The other thing about online retail is this Sears Penny's Macy's Kohl's Walmart Target is this... They all are online retail they have been for over 20 years every single one of them has had a website and has ran an online business!! So to blame online shopping is really to sit there and blame themselves!!! 😂😂😂 Online retail only makes up 8 to 10% of all retail sales.. thus meaning ninety-plus percent of all retail sales still happen in the brick and mortar store!!
to be honest tea online retailers the dedicated online retailers like Amazon they're not really doing anything different that serious and them didn't do a hundred years ago that's how sears got started was a warehouse and a catalog... It's the same thing as online it's definitely the same thing there is no differencepeople just think there is because they're using their cell phone under their computer all that means is the medium ofhow you place the order is what change the technology got a little better that's allyou know couple decades ago we have been using the telephone to call in an order and that was supposed to be the quick way here's the dealwhether it's your computer or yourself and check it out there's a phone line somewhere!!
of course that's really what's been creepy about this decade is you know all that we've done for 20 some years they act like it's still new of aconcept like yesterday it was just invented or something and I was so it's like this concept that we're all going to point-and-click and buy shit online they act like this just came out yesterday and it's like know we've been doing that for well over 23 years if not 26 years!!
They need to put a 24 hour gym in one of the larger retail spaces! There's a shopping center in Greenfield WI (suburb of Milwaukee) where an abandoned drug store sat for years that was recently turned into a gym. That plaza is still thriving. However, it also has a dollar tree, 3 restaurants, a hair salon, nail salon, and tobacco/vape store. Aside from the gym and dollar tree all the businesses are either family owned or owned by local companies.
had to laugh at the quizno's dig, LOL! shame about them though some of their toasted stuff was pretty good like they had this italian flatbread I kinda liked!
These videos always appear on my recommended late at night when I don’t feel like watching anything else, it’s nice.
I agree with converting plazas and malls into mixed use housing and retail. I think malls would make great Junior Colleges and universities.
UK fan here! Love watching your videos! Keep up the good work:)
I lived in the apt complex to the left of the old frys..that quiznos hasn't been.open since 2008 lol
This is super relaxing to watch but holy hell that grocery stores gonna be in my nightmares lol
Hey, just found your channel. Love these type of walk throughs. I see you hit Southern California in some of your videos. Scanned through and didn’t see the Factory Merchants Outlet Malls in Lenwood/Barstow, CA. That place was full of retailers and always packed back in the 90’s. Now (last time I stopped there) I’d say about 85% of its boarded up. And in Barstow, there is the indoor Barstow Mall which used to be anchored by a Sears and K Mart. That place got choked out by the Factory Merchants when it opened. But now it’s random businesses and offices. I’d love to see you go through them. Thanks for your videos.
My mom used to work at the wedding/reception/event hall the used to be in this plaza in the 90's. The Jamba Juice was put in about a year or so after she started working there under it's original name Zuka Juice.
I pulled in this shopping center about a year or so ago to get some panda express. I was blown away that everything in the out building at that time besides panda was closed down. The floral shop was a cold stone but was closed. This is a very high traffic area of mesa its strange that everything is out of business. There is a shopping center across the street that is nearly completely shut down too.
Hi my friend and that is just a shame a cool place like that is not being care for and great video and take care
Big fan of your channel and I just love listening to you explain about all the places you visit. I'm from Sweden myself but have traveled regularly to the United States while growing up so i share a lot of the nostalgia as you it seems. I have some fond memories of the 70's and 80's department stores because they were so different to the once back home. Anyway, one of my favorite places when young was to go to an entertainment center called Malibu Grand Prix, which at least was available in California. Any change you could do a piece on them? Not even sure they exist anymore though. Thanks for a great channel!
Leaves in a store is not a good sign.
Sonic More Music somebody keeps LEAVING the door open ;)
This would be a really beautiful place to live if they refurbished the store lots and upped the safety measures on the windows & doors. :)
You should review Mesa Riverview Mall in Mesa Arizona because there has been a lot of retail space losing business in the mall has not been going in pretty good shape if you go there I really thank you
I remember Flowers 'n Such. Mom used to take me there a lot when I was a kid because she used to just like looking around. I remember it always smelling REALLY heavily of potpourri.. and it was filled with fake flower arrangements, indoor water features and general indoor decor stuff (clocks, statuettes, decorative bowls, etc).
Permitting for all new commercial construction should require the owner to post a bond sufficient to either properly maintain the property or cover the cost of converting it to something like a school or nursing home when and if the property is no longer commercially viable.
I love these videos thank you
"mm mm mm mm mm, abandoned" 😂😂😂 that made my day
Regarding Quiznos, I just had to comment - it was basically the pyramid scheme of stores. The franchise owners would take a percentage of sales etc everything looked good but the contract would only allow you to buy from their approved vendors which they also received a percentage of the sales from, and they would purposely inspect and fail their franchise stores under ridiculous claims such as not being clean enough etc. so that the store would no longer be able to buy product from the vendors but per the contract, they were not allowed to convert the store into another business nor sell any other product except from the vendors they couldn't buy from. It was why Quiznos would pop up and close in a matter of months sometimes. There was a post on reddit about it that has been removed but theres other information out there regarding this if you google it.
loved this video like always. also your merch looks great! will you make hoodies? I'd love a Retail Archaeology hoodie
I had a dream about this place when I was 5
Echo Light Entertainment same!
Great video as always.....
Love the video!
The cultured flagstone on the columns in the front looks like it was added in the last ten years. It would have cost a lot of money to add that much stone detail and it actually looks pretty good.
Empty retail space is happening all over the country.
The Commercial real estate crash is happening :/
Excellent video!
Seeing the dead malls makes me sad, but the jazz serenade is really nice here. Although I do some online purchasing, I'm one of those old school weirdos that actually still goes to a store to shop the majority of the time 😄 I'm a local, so I may have to wander on down to check out the Goodwill, and to reminisce of the good ol days of thriving malls.
This is my neighborhood plaza. I have been living in this neighborhood for 40 years. I would ride my bike through that plaza. For as long as I can remember the interior section never had a lot of stuff going on. it had some offices but not much. The end cap at 7:44 the end was used as a drive-through dry cleaning. Through the years they had a Hallmark Card store. The Flowers and Such was there for a few decades. It sold flowers and interior design services. The Jamba Juice was there from the 1990s to around 5 years ago. Growing up in the 1980s there was once an ice shop where the Jamba Juice once was. On the west side of Fry's they had a large Sally's Fabrics store. The developer wanted a 20-year lease for the Frys so the closed the store and it went downhill since then.
A new Retail Archeology! Watching shit in Arizona rot is a great way to zonk out the end of my workday. Thanks!
There was a tiny block of shops near me that was unoccupied (I've only lived here for five years) a tiny strip of just four shops next to a dance studio on a back road which is why no one rented them. Just this year I noticed them working on it and they turned it into tiny apartments. Way to go
Check out the North Myrtle Beach Mall. I haven’t been in a couple years but I remember it having almost no stores, being extremely dirty, and having a place called “Krispy Fried Chicken.” The Lumberton NC mall is pretty bad also but you may be shot just trying to walk in
Florida looks the same.😨
i love these videos
In the San Francisco bay area traditional supermarkets are being challenged by Trader Joe's, Sprouts, Whole Foods, and Smart & Final Extra.
There was a shopping mall
Now it's all covered with flowers
You've got it, you've got it
Plazas like this need an anchor store or else they’re doomed. Where I live in California the city isn’t letting the big stores build new plazas instead making them adopt these abandoned plazas and take over the largest unit and rehabbing it to make it look new so they can attract new small shops to move in the other smaller vacant spots. It’s working out well so far.
That could even become a nice bar and clubbing area... throw in a few restaurants and some themed shops, maybe even a cinema and a gym or so, to suit the bars (and music styles in said bars) and this could take of...
Would make a great satellite campus for a community college, that outdoor plaza layout is similar to parts of the UC Riverside campus.
There’s a plaza like that here in Pensacola. Just empty empty empty hahaha so sad.
I think they should make them into Apartments sort of because they got the buildings already thrown up all you got to do is make a few minor adjustments
For that particular mall covering up some of those spots where pigeons like to sit under the roof could help cut down on the pigeon excrement.
There's a building here kind of similar to that mall called the 'Park Place Professional Centre' however it's mostly medical offices. Now what's interesting is that not only is the pathway enclosed but there's a very nice garden running alongside both sides of the path, almost like a botanical greenhouse complete with small ponds/fountains.
Something like that could be a big draw for a mall like this. Knock down a few of the smaller stores to create garden extensions complete with some seating so people can relax out of the way of main foot traffic.
Along with that check out the roofs condition to see if it can support solar panels and then fix it up to get rid of those leaks. The addition of solar panels could help offset the buildings power requirements and for now with so few shops in operation, and depending upon how many panels you did/could install, you could build up some credit with the local power company for later on when your (hopefully) new shops begin drawing power for AC and such.
To attract some attention while the place is being worked on bringing in some tables and chairs while inviting some different food trucks to do business in the parking lot might be a good idea. Seeing what looked like some apartments off to the side there means the food trucks could help draw some of the people living there over for lunch/dinner.
I wonder how much they charge for retail space there......
the property owner needs to open it up to the community use or some kind of nonprofit organization for the benefit of the surrounding community
I think it would make be fun to make homes out of these , just imagine having such a community.
Went down to Hobbs NM last week to get my HAZMAT prints renewed. There was actually both an open Quiznos and an open K-mart down in that oil town!! Guess that fracking money keeps the place alive.
As for this plaza, it more or less reminds me of an old school, Jr High😮😮
That urine puddle reminds of the last time I visited my local Toys r Us. As I walked in to the store, I narrowly avoided a puddle of vomit. I informed the folks at the front desk about it, but they only met my comments with a kind of bleary-eyed resignation. I stayed in the store perhaps 45 minutes or an hour, and when I left, I met two employees who, after having gathered abandoned carts, were carefully walking around the puddle, still wet in the warm sun. When I pointed to the puddle and said that I had told the folks at the front desk about it an hour ago, they just met me with more of the bleary shellshocked resignation.
I have a feeling that’s the general mood when it comes to these abandoned places-and I think we need a good kick in our inertia...beyond that, I have no suggestions...
I actually used to work at the Safeway you mentioned in the video from 2007 until 2010. I am actually suprised that it took so long for it to close because that was my job back when I was in high school. I would start work at 4pm on weekdays and remember it being so slow with hardly any costumers but I guess that was not really the reason it closed, one of my ex co workers that still worked there said it was because of it being so close to Albertsons that was one of the reasons it closed.
I think the plaza is charming with the trees in the middle. I could look really neat again. It's a shame that places like these have been abandoned by shoppers.
I feel it can be converted to appartemts. There is definitely a lot of space. Not to mention a nice looking land layout already.
I also wonder if those other impedance and that extra winding on the transformer was built for PA speakers. I know there are some PA and intercom systems that used a 25 or 70V line and each speaker had its own line transformer driving it under the speaker grille. I have also heard that some multiple PA speaker setups used series string wiring too. I also wonder if one of the output windings was for older high impedance speakers as perhaps some of the older schools still had them in use. I also wondered if perhaps this had a provision for field coil type speakers.
I live by this place. It looks like it’s under new management. They are working on the tile roof and the main flat roof. They are also starting to work on the landscaping. I’ve live in this area most of my life. The suite on the end with the drive through used to be a great dry cleaner! I enjoyed your video.
Amazon and Ebay destroyed malls, human interaction.
I was just here yesterday, I own a fourplex by the Safeway you mentioned and was at the Goodwill looking for a fanblade cuz the tenant trashed my place...anyhow I was walking around tbinking what happened because it seemed like such a nice building, made me nervous the neighborhood was dying
There is a Quiznos on Northern Ave west of 91st Ave. It seems to do well. I prefer it over Subway. I don't like Subway.
a fair amount of shopping plazas/strip malls in Metro-Detroit are suffering like this.
All that empty space could be made into shelters or repurposed for something else like medical clinics or meetup places or community social clubs.
Turn the empty retail space into amazon warehouses! :D
Uh yikes
Could you possibly do a video the Kyova Tri-State Mall
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10699 U.S. 60 Ashland, KY
It's been dead for about 14 years now only thing that stays busy is the Movie Theater and surprisingly it's still hanging on some how
It's weird to hear about grocery store competition out your way. In New England it's thriving and expanding a lot.
Fry's Grocery is now owned by The Kroger Company
you ended with a good question. And from the history of say old New York and Parts of Europe. I say combine retail in the small subsadised down stairs with 2-4 levels of resident above. With a plaza in the center or something. Your customers live all around you and your space for a business is cheep and a walk away. If you live there and start a small space. Maybe making shoes. Or a hat shop. Old trades.
I have a dead shopping center near me that used to have circuit city, Barnes & Noble, etc. Now it just has two cheap furniture stores and a Garden Ridge/At Home.
Can you do another video of fiesta mall the shopping center across the street where best buy was originally
Surprised you don't have one on Christown / Spectrum. I think it was on 19th and Bethany Home. I have a lot of fond memories of that mall. When I was a child it used to have elaborate sand sculpture - the Old Woman in the Shoe, a Castle with a Dragon... a little village. It was really impressive. They used to have these events where vendors would come out and sell things like Pokemon Cards or there was an artist that used to do animation for Warner Brothers who'd sell his prints.